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00:06 mircea_popescu lol diana light a fire under bingo's butt
00:07 mircea_popescu shinohai 13 views ? didja ul teh gf ?
00:07 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/763930076E165275AF7659105A2A31F61AE3FBF931A7E188B2DC146EFFC7CF49 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.147 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <
00:07 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '116.105.59.120 (ssh-rsa key from 116.105.59.120 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt)
00:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> lol diana light a fire under bingo's butt << a butt of a fire
00:09 mircea_popescu hehe
00:10 BingoBoingo Anyways after so much Qntra'ing fiction is taking some practice to warm up
00:11 * BingoBoingo will wait before posting next part which updates James' state of being
00:13 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/hotbaubles/
00:19 BingoBoingo You know I haven't wondered about pete_dushenski yet. pete_dushenski writes about everything. Where's his fanfic?
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00:20 BingoBoingo !~later tell thestringpuller You oughtta fanfic too.
00:20 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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00:51 asciilifeform lel, egypt -- vietnam.
01:01 ben_vulpes "Postfix uses file locking to avoid access conflicts while updating Berkeley DB or other local database files. This used to be safe, but as Berkeley DB has evolved to use more aggressive caching, file locking may no longer be sufficient." << oh ffs
01:01 ben_vulpes locks don't even work anymore, cool
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03:20 diana_coman BingoBoingo> lol diana_coman OMG that is wonderful <- cheers!
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06:59 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes evolved! more efficient! here, now it's broken.
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07:15 mircea_popescu and in historical facebook lulz : https://archive.is/QDD0B
07:18 mircea_popescu summary : facebook gave everyone @facebook.com address back in 2012 (and forced everyone to download a meanwhile failed "facebook messenger", before buying some thing meanwhile forgotten for more play money than ever seen before in any game of monopoly). the user was simply the facebook user. then they axed this service... and started forwarding all mail to the user's personal inbox. because yes, they're THAT important. but n
07:18 mircea_popescu ot without safeguards (because yes, they're THAT dedicated to security) : first email received didn't get delivered, instead they just sent a notification from facebook explaining... how to opt out. after which they sent all further emails straight up. consequently emailing the entire facebook userbase was ~trivial.
07:18 mircea_popescu all this because opt-out is perfectly ok, even in 2014, if you're facebook. hurr.
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08:14 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 105638693539486280577069786671334496140217243359651613257235225205932098397673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.7.47@mkj.lt>; '
08:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9546AF73E66CBDE87E3FB00E89C0FE7C53423CDDF964BD60DDEB18B8B6BFE82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 105638693539486280577069786671334496140217243359651613257235225205932098397673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.6.145@mkj.lt>;
08:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 105638693539486280577069786671334496140217243359651613257235225205932098397673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.7.47@mkj.lt>; '
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08:41 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/ferments/ << Trilema - Ferments
08:55 shinohai Latest trilema made me .... hungry.
09:10 mircea_popescu lol
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10:18 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/RVSq8 << this is some of the lulziest shit... what % of your content is shown to "your" followers ? used to be ~15%, by now it's about 5%.
10:18 mircea_popescu a figure which strangely mimics the way publishign works otherwise. what % of the sale value of books ends up with the authors ? what % of cd sales end up with the studios, let alone the artists ?
10:19 mircea_popescu they should just s/united states of america/the country of 5%/ and be done with it
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10:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3151422-Nikulin-Indictment.html << qntra ?
10:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/cTs3P << same, from horse's mouth
10:41 shinohai asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/10/probable-aspect-of-peace-on-earth-arrested-while-the-notorious-quiet-and-tranquility-evades-capture/ ?
10:41 asciilifeform shinohai: aha but no indictment linked there. afaik it was unsealed just now.
10:43 * shinohai wonders if Preeeeet is muttering to himself this morning because he didn't get it.
10:50 mircea_popescu what a sad day for justice and democracy!
10:53 shinohai Maybe he was the admin of Hell, which explains why still no creds this morning.
10:57 mod6 scammed?
11:06 mircea_popescu lmao!
11:06 mircea_popescu i suppose this is maybe worthy of a future news xtend ?
11:13 shinohai My first time on tor in months, immediately scammed mod6
11:14 mircea_popescu did you maybe end up on a fake site ?
11:16 shinohai Nope, I made sure it was the exact one listed in multiple sources: http://legionhiden4dqh4.onion/reg.php
11:17 mod6 dang, is there any way to msg these guys?
11:17 mircea_popescu aite.
11:17 mircea_popescu mod6 apparently not lol
11:17 mod6 lol
11:18 mod6 ermahgerd
11:18 shinohai http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-dark-web-hacking-forum-hell-is-back-online
11:25 asciilifeform in other noose, say goodbye to old, outdated, rocket 'xprize', and hello to the... new one: https://archive.is/8yz8b
11:25 asciilifeform 'The Anu & Naveen Jain Women’s Safety XPRIZE is a $1 million global competition that challenges teams to leverage technology to empower communities with a transformative solution that ensures women’s safety. Armed with innovative safety nets, communities everywhere can rapidly respond to threats against any of its members, ensuring that help is always available when needed. The winning team’s solution will autonomously and inco
11:25 asciilifeform nspicuously trigger an emergency alert while transmitting information to a network of community responders, all within 90 seconds and at an annual cost of $40 or less.'
11:26 mircea_popescu i have nfi wat this is ?
11:26 asciilifeform $maxint 'rape whistle' ?
11:26 asciilifeform i have nfi
11:26 asciilifeform but this is the new 'xprize problem' apparently.
11:27 asciilifeform orbiting apparatus is soooo yesterday - sex prevention is 'in' !1111
11:27 mircea_popescu "challenges teams to leverage technology to empower communities with a transformative solution that ensures women’s safety" is basically "find a way to extract magical energy from the ether to power a machine that'll make men give a shit about how women prefer to be fucked" ?
11:28 asciilifeform eh they already know how to 'energy from ether', it is called printolade
11:28 asciilifeform all else - follows this.
11:28 mircea_popescu now if it only worked.
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12:04 asciilifeform https://archive.is/5hv6d << in other lelz, 'Several of London’s largest banks are looking to stockpile bitcoins in order to pay off cyber criminals who threaten to bring down their critical IT systems.'
12:19 mircea_popescu lol
12:22 shinohai http://archive.is/e3oME "We welcome the progressive position taken by the Argentinian government and regulators on Bitcoin." (Warning, link in tweet is to CoinTelegraph article)
12:23 shinohai s/article/farticle/
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12:26 asciilifeform https://archive.is/Kle7s << in not-quite-noose, apparently this is a thing now
12:26 mircea_popescu ok this is the epic-est shit i read all week : https://archive.is/GBNWF#selection-289.290-313.2
12:26 mircea_popescu "Avoid easy selections, such as qwerty or password. If you want to pick an easy-to-remember but somewhat unique password, consider a variation of a word, such as a1rPl4nE for airplane."
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12:27 mircea_popescu these and other tips and tricks brought to you by red hat entreprise security department.
12:27 asciilifeform 133333333337
12:34 shinohai xD
12:42 trinque McAfee killing criminals is supposed to make me not like him?
12:43 trinque OH WAIT THEY THREW RAEP IN THERE TOO
12:51 thestringpuller TIL 15% of all US households have a negative net worth
12:51 thestringpuller damn
12:51 asciilifeform lie
12:51 asciilifeform ~100.
12:52 thestringpuller elaborate?
12:59 thestringpuller or not
13:02 thestringpuller https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2016/10/active-4g-lte-vulnerability-allows-hackers-police-eavesdrop-conversations-read-texts-track-smartphone-location/ << looks like GSM isn't the only one
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13:27 asciilifeform https://archive.is/YyahC << one of the things the usg push for 'biometric auth' was for.
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14:00 adlai thestringpuller: if your net worth's center of gravity lies close to the printolade axis, it's negative on hard currency scales
14:02 thestringpuller adlai the asciilifeform translator
14:03 thestringpuller tyvm
14:05 mircea_popescu thestringpuller nah it was discussed in the logs, whle back.
14:05 mircea_popescu also giving the correct figure (60%)
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15:19 hanbot http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161024/#103 << i was actually gonna check out some "linux chix" meeting at the local red hat hole when i noticed 'pre-registration with documento' was required, you know, for 'security'.
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15:19 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 5594: invalid start byte]
15:19 hanbot <mircea_popescu> these and other tips and tricks brought to you by red hat entreprise security department. <that.
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16:20 ben_vulpes Framedragger: ^^ didn't you fix that?
16:22 mircea_popescu hanbot what if someone touches someone else inappropriately|!
16:29 ben_vulpes in other news, my mp01 arrived and it is perfect.
16:30 mircea_popescu your who ?
16:30 ben_vulpes https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone
16:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: bought it to study the nsa exotica inside or wat.
16:32 mircea_popescu o hey
16:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: to wind 'user experience' experts up.
16:33 mircea_popescu "Pre-order the MP 01 in white or brown to beat the rush – and receive a copy of Reclaiming Conversation by Sherry Turkle, a pack of Punkt. postcards, and a stylish tote bag."
16:33 mircea_popescu lol. somewhere there's a jobs wannabe
16:33 ben_vulpes nothing says "you are useless and your career wasted" than a conversation with a man who spent three hundred dollars on a device that precludes your 'lifes work'.
16:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes somehow i suspect all the junk is still in there, under the plastic.
16:34 mircea_popescu just not exposed to you.
16:34 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: the unboxing experience is strongly reminiscent of early apple
16:34 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: c'est possible. likely runs android under the hood even.
16:34 ben_vulpes but: no way to install apps, no 'apps', even, max of 1000 text messages and some 200 address book entries.
16:34 ben_vulpes no games
16:35 ben_vulpes whimsical collection of bird noises
16:35 mircea_popescu i prefer to get a crate of phones for my 300.
16:35 * ben_vulpes has crate as well
16:35 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: buys cheapest possible shoes as well?
16:36 ben_vulpes not really a dirigible device.
16:36 mircea_popescu well, some things you buy by quality an' some by quantity.
16:36 mircea_popescu generally the later are the sort of thing where quality is directed towards the state rather than you. like phones.
16:37 mircea_popescu until/unless they import the republican license, there's no market for "good" phones. because a phone that's not predicated on breaking the law can't be good.
16:37 asciilifeform ^^
16:38 mircea_popescu so the only thing left for it is to be cheap.
16:39 mircea_popescu now shoes on the other hand, they're different. there's certainly the "i'll buy you this 30 dollar pair of red stilettos, which you then forget in the cab and nobody cares". there's also the fine italian leather shoes which are worth whatever they cost. so dunno.
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16:40 ben_vulpes i suppose what i'm most pleased about is prying one sucker of one tentacle off my forearm.
16:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but did you ?
16:41 mircea_popescu wel they can't send him pdfs now...
16:41 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not claiming escape!
16:41 ben_vulpes but the internet terminal living in the backpack and not my pocket is an improvement.
16:41 mircea_popescu check out the fine degrees!
16:41 asciilifeform i will point out that the one ~admitted~ case of usg-sent-magic-packet-and-switched-on-the-mike involved a 'dumbphone'.
16:42 ben_vulpes this is not a concern.
16:42 ben_vulpes no devices are allowed in the war room.
16:42 asciilifeform (all of the examples i personally know of, are perfectly reflashable-via-baseband, just same as crapple etc.)
16:43 mircea_popescu eh to reflash it is comparatively hard work.
16:44 asciilifeform work that is done 1ce per model.
16:44 mircea_popescu no i mean you gotta actually send the pill to it
16:45 shinohai AT least one person is going to look at you and wonder why you are speaking into a calculator ben_vulpes
16:45 mircea_popescu lol
16:45 asciilifeform and as if the infrastructure for this were not already in place at every telco on planet3 ?
16:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'd be surprised.
16:56 ben_vulpes great thing about keeping a decent fidelity scale in the office is impromptu coffee tasting experiments
16:57 ben_vulpes "just how bad does coffee go in a week?" and other mysteries
17:06 BingoBoingo "There are also mentions of McAfee’s propensity for coprophilia—not that it’s a crime, of course." << lol
17:06 mircea_popescu hey, if you fuck like rabbit, you gotta eat like rabbit.
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17:34 BingoBoingo lol
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17:55 BingoBoingo In other markets and marketing http://www.chimneyballoon.us/chimneyballoon.html
17:58 shinohai Jewish? Hate fat fucks climbing down your chimney every December? Get the chimneyballoon TODAY! $19.95 + S&H
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18:15 adlai "The DP 01 has a visual answering machine which sorts recorded messages by date and time... messages are accessible from any other paired DP 01 handset." < looks like a decent landline, probably a more resilient niche than dumbphone given the holeyness visible in https://opensignal.com/
18:18 asciilifeform adlai: landlines are headed to extinction on a good chunk of the planet.
18:18 asciilifeform including where i live.
18:19 asciilifeform speaking here of the analogue voice 'POTS' variety.
18:26 asciilifeform that being said, one of the surest ways to begin to 'have problems' is to market an honest POTS-with-crypto telephone set.
18:26 asciilifeform there are 0 on the market. and afaik there have always been 0.
18:26 asciilifeform for reasons.
18:29 mircea_popescu kinda narrow bw, not sure you could do voice-over-rsa
18:30 asciilifeform not over 'raw rsa', no.
18:30 asciilifeform otp - yes, you can.
18:30 mircea_popescu an otp phone is not all that practical.
18:30 asciilifeform for the bloody 7th time...
18:31 mircea_popescu what dude, it's hard enough to get a girl's phone, you want her to write down her fucking otp for you ? while drunk at 3am ?
18:31 asciilifeform if you only ever talk to 1 other box - perfectly practical.
18:31 mircea_popescu if you ever talk to 1 other box calling this a telephone is nothing short of idiotic.
18:31 asciilifeform and in the end, 1 phone on desk per talker.
18:31 asciilifeform it worked for hitler, stalin, et al.
18:31 mircea_popescu this scheme is so evidently inept, no explanation as to why nobody tried to implement it is required.
18:32 asciilifeform it's been in use b/w us and su since 1950s
18:32 mircea_popescu "use".
18:32 asciilifeform and prior to that, churchill and truman.
18:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-12#419394 << thread
18:32 a111 Logged on 2013-12-12 17:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lolphonograph they had on a ship during ww2 ?
18:37 asciilifeform and i eagerly await the application of the 'use drunk at 3am' argument to programming language, jet fighter, scalpel, and whatever else.
18:37 asciilifeform the only device that is safe to operate 'drunk at 3am' is one's pillow.
18:39 asciilifeform but if you must,
18:39 asciilifeform just moment earlier there was a 'disposable phones, cheap' thread
18:39 asciilifeform so you... GIVE the gurl the phone.
18:40 asciilifeform that calls you, and has already fucked (in the packing crate) another identical phone, shares pad.
18:40 asciilifeform calls ~only~ the matching phone.
18:40 asciilifeform could easily cost a few bux, like keychain.
18:48 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/24/lesthetique-du-mid-century-modern/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - L’esthetique du “Mid-Century Modern”.
19:00 mircea_popescu dude... i dunno who this dumb shit works on, but you should probably eschew their company, it makes you stupid.
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19:00 mircea_popescu you wanted to know why nobody made crypto telephone. the reason is - there's no market. the reason there's no market, you explained yourself.
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19:01 mircea_popescu what more is needed ?
19:03 mircea_popescu and wtf is this, no more trump news, no more mosul news, what is this gross failure of the united entertainment machine!
19:03 mircea_popescu i was expecting lulz damnit!
19:03 mircea_popescu somehow the fall of rutba failed to make it through the usg blocade, too.
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19:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558728 << mega-argument!
19:23 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 23:00 mircea_popescu: dude... i dunno who this dumb shit works on, but you should probably eschew their company, it makes you stupid.
19:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558729 << it so happens that there is a (lemon) market.
19:24 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 23:00 mircea_popescu: you wanted to know why nobody made crypto telephone. the reason is - there's no market. the reason there's no market, you explained yourself.
19:25 asciilifeform (philips, at&t, etc. make various junk.)
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19:36 mircea_popescu the fundamental problem is that the phone isn't this tool whereby you maintain one to one permanent links with aforeknown parties. the phone is this tool whereby you make new links with random new parties.
19:36 asciilifeform for this - no, it dun go.
19:36 mircea_popescu which is why the usecase for the phone is, "i met this chick last night at the rave"
19:36 mircea_popescu but this is what the item IS
19:37 mircea_popescu especially in the wired variety. who the everloving fuck is going to maintain landlines for you when you aim to use them like battle comms lines ?
19:37 mircea_popescu the royal corps of engineers, that's who. not at&t, that's for sure.
19:38 mircea_popescu moreover, all this was before internet. nowadays, i can scarcely comprehend how it'd work that i'd degrade a text link into a dumb voice link with someone who is intelligent enough to safely maintain and use otp.
19:38 asciilifeform was thinking this.
19:38 asciilifeform voice was... a fad
19:38 mircea_popescu well, it has its place. but its an emotional thing, you call the bitchez up. granny, maybe.
19:38 asciilifeform laughably easy to bug, tricky to understand unambiguously in real time, just plain suxx.
19:39 mircea_popescu who the fuck has the patience to ~talk~. like, vocally. one on one. wtf.
19:39 asciilifeform i realized, reading this thread, that i use ~0 voice.
19:39 mircea_popescu i use plenty of it. but almost never with people i don't fuck.
19:39 phf that's a good place to be
19:39 mircea_popescu technology, as always to the detriment of the naturally gifted
19:39 mircea_popescu i used to be a great public speaker.
19:54 mircea_popescu and in other propulsion research, http://65.media.tumblr.com/f1aa2cf15536162c7b8d3eccbe5bf41f/tumblr_mzb1f7aQK31sdb53oo1_1280.jpg
19:55 shinohai Now that's a fine posterior.
19:56 mircea_popescu "find out if we really went to the moon"
19:57 shinohai I will investigate thoroughly, I assure you, and report back.
19:57 mircea_popescu oh you assure me do you.
19:58 mircea_popescu well tonight's entertainment is here, so ima leave you with a parting shot : http://66.media.tumblr.com/10ce1eaeaae274fb0f12a7fdf8965673/tumblr_ofkdnwlNxI1ud9ntao2_1280.jpg
19:58 shinohai o/
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21:45 asciilifeform and holy FUCK is linuxemc a turd.
21:47 asciilifeform for some reason IDENTICAL settings for 2 axis give you one that finds the home switch correctly, but another that finds it, then zooms off in opposite direction until BANG
21:48 asciilifeform because ??!??!?!??!!.
21:49 asciilifeform *linuxCNC
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22:46 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558544 << lel. "wat a amish yo ?" "who was first yo ?" "i tot dat jooz wuz da wunz who got u outta jail yo!"
22:46 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 02:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5491
22:47 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Seriously when is your Elliot fanfic starting?
22:49 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558563 << i definitely hammered home the notion that i'll write about anything today, but the fanfic requires some serious research into the mental vacuum that is elliot, research that just isn't on the agenda this week. between being out of town and renos at a couple suites and presentations and learning basic python, elliotology doesn't have much room to breathe
22:49 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 04:19 BingoBoingo: You know I haven't wondered about pete_dushenski yet. pete_dushenski writes about everything. Where's his fanfic?
22:50 BingoBoingo How are you going to renovate spaces for North Americans without knowing the pinnacle of their empty spaces?
22:51 pete_dushenski i have my ways.
22:51 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: how are you figuring your chances are against the mighty diana_coman ?
22:52 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well diana_coman seemed to do a single contained narrative. She could serialize to my shock and awe. I figure my chances are marginal considering writing fiction is the opposite of writing qntra.
22:53 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558671 << quality italian leather shoes are c$700-800 atm. ~double from a decade ago. only 7% inflation! fiat suxxess!
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22:53 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 20:39 mircea_popescu: now shoes on the other hand, they're different. there's certainly the "i'll buy you this 30 dollar pair of red stilettos, which you then forget in the cab and nobody cares". there's also the fine italian leather shoes which are worth whatever they cost. so dunno.
22:54 BingoBoingo And quality leather workboots cost $400 to $maxint, similar success
22:55 pete_dushenski we're talking dress shoes like the ones i had on today. hugo boss. made in italy. c$700 (~usd$500)
22:56 pete_dushenski work boots will be made in usa or china or hecho in mexico
22:56 pete_dushenski unlikely to get blundstones or whatever from italy
22:58 BingoBoingo Well, who the fuck would want Italian leather boots for working? Italian cows likely reflect Italian people, lazy. The hardworking ones left. What you want is made in US by Mexican immigrants for maximum quality.
22:59 pete_dushenski "waiwut pete paid 700 for SHOES??!" ha. hardly. i dun pay retail for clothes n shoes anymore than i pay retail for mcm furniture. plus, i actually negotiated a 1500 gift card to high-end meanswear store a few months back so had to spend it on schmany attire accordingly.
23:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-25#1558776 << where so cheap pete_dushenski ??
23:00 a111 Logged on 2016-10-25 02:53 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558671 << quality italian leather shoes are c$700-800 atm. ~double from a decade ago. only 7% inflation! fiat suxxess!
23:00 asciilifeform or didja mean off-the-rack
23:00 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: italians aren't lazy so much as taxed into being "effient" with their taxable labour.
23:01 BingoBoingo If they weren't lazy they wouldn't take to being taxed like that. Once again see Mexican immigrants to the US.
23:02 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: lol! here i was thinking i was being all fancy and spangly and mr. 'imapauper4lyf' is wondering how it is that i'm scrimping and saving so!
23:02 * pete_dushenski falls over
23:03 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: it's not really 'taking' being taxed if you're... not paying. and no one else is either.
23:03 asciilifeform srsly if pete_dushenski had'em made for 0.7-0.8 k$ i wanna know where
23:04 pete_dushenski is alf sitting on stash of coin so far up his arse that he forgot about it when it was time to bid on bitbet auction ? or am i dreaming in technicolour here ?
23:05 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: anyways, yes, was off rack.
23:05 asciilifeform ah ok nm
23:05 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: normally i dun like spending money
23:06 pete_dushenski when i find shoemaker who isn't jamaican / ethiopan bum i'll have proper footwear made.
23:06 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: except on monitors... and shoes apparently
23:07 asciilifeform my shoes are made of cardboard, pete_dushenski .
23:08 asciilifeform but i've always wanted a pair that ain't -- still regret not having ordered one in mircea_popesculandia
23:10 pete_dushenski what did such a pair cost in arg ? $150 worth of pesos ?
23:11 asciilifeform i have nfi
23:11 pete_dushenski in other frivolous expenses, http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/brewer-made-worlds-most-expensive-potato-chips-go-its-fancy-beer-174086
23:11 pete_dushenski $11/chip
23:14 asciilifeform best eaten to the tune of cd-cum-green-marker on audiophiliac loudspeaker with custom japanese mains current transformer.
23:17 pete_dushenski while parading around loft in handmade italian leather shoes and cognac in-hand... with nothing else besides.
23:18 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558738 << speaking of at&t, didn't see their pending merger with time warner in the logs
23:18 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 23:25 asciilifeform: (philips, at&t, etc. make various junk.)
23:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: technically the 'at&t' from that thread is lucent
23:21 asciilifeform vs the co that used to be cingular .
23:22 pete_dushenski aha. well, merger nooz is merger nooz all the same.
23:23 asciilifeform snoar, usg playing checkers with self.
23:26 pete_dushenski like gaz buying trabant, sure.
23:33 pete_dushenski bbl
~ 20 minutes ~
23:54 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: shops at stores with gift cards?
23:58 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: pete is a better Joo than Yoo
23:59 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: interesting claim
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