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00:00 BingoBoingo WHitey just has to fuck everything up
00:07 thestringpuller except david bowie white people didn't ruin that
00:16 BingoBoingo Yeah they did. When is his next concert?
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00:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512554 << dey tried to gas our own! lolocausts.
00:35 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 22:24 a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 17:52 BingoBoingo: NO, targeted assasination attempt on a Lord of TMSR
00:36 BingoBoingo I mean cellphone accidents are how the Israeli's get a lot of their cadavers
00:45 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
00:46 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.53, vol: 6351.89521455 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 595.935, vol: 7775.18034 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 601.55, vol: 37556.61512024 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 604.505825, vol: 166409.00960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 595.002, vol: 2382.07029961 | Volume-weighted last average: 603.425215709
00:46 thestringpuller what's with the evil government lab tv trope?
00:46 BingoBoingo Anyone else smell blood?
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00:46 thestringpuller it's like every bad thing ever happens in an evil government lab
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01:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512561 << guy has a point, seriously now. http://trilema.com/2011/erotoghid-pentru-femeia-adulta/#selection-37.381-37.509
01:01 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 22:29 pete_dushenski: https://vimeo.com/101336844 << dunno why anyone would worry about thai succession. crown prince looks like a pimp. wife topless at dinner, 80's pop beats, good times.
01:04 mircea_popescu also, 2009 wikileaks material, plox link http://wikileaks.info/wiki/Suppressed_video_of_Thai_Crown_Prince_and_Princess_at_decadent_dog_party/ rather than whatever useless bullshit
01:04 mircea_popescu "flash player needed", really ?
01:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512565 << they have some bike lanes. for as long as you're fine only going where they go (<1% of town or so, the retard reservation, "palermo") they're great.
01:17 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 22:36 pete_dushenski: no surprise to #trilema readers that no economy = no cars = plenty of room for cyclists
01:18 mircea_popescu but economy has nothing to do with it. humongo traffic jams in ba mostly because a) everyone here drives like a confused miami senior citizen. they can't fucking merge.
01:18 mircea_popescu b) poor people spend more on the symbols of "wealth" such as a shitty chinese import than sane people would, as a proportion of their expenditure.
01:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512568 << ridiculous nonsense. market here is about as diverse as in north korea/cuba.
01:20 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 22:37 pete_dushenski: bitch, what the fuck are used car parts doing in your mercados ?!
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01:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512593 <<< http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/
01:35 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 23:16 deedbot: [Qntra] Gawker Media's Nick Denton Personally Files For Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/08/gawker-medias-nick-denton-personally-files-for-bankruptcy/
01:35 mircea_popescu work for usg, in any manner, in any capacity ? YOU WILL GET FUCKED.
01:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512597 << loller.
01:36 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 23:19 BingoBoingo: archived snapshot of defunct mpex.ws domain for posteriority https://archive.is/Q2GOH
01:37 BingoBoingo I like the title tag on new mpex.ws
01:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512615 << the sort that was asked to, what.
01:38 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 00:16 asciilifeform: so i have nfi what kind of imbecile would pay the ransom.
01:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty good flower bouquet i thoutht.
01:39 BingoBoingo A++++ Domain flip
01:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512616 << well... it is on reddit.
01:39 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 00:23 BingoBoingo: Turns out fats run /r/fatlogic https://archive.is/ei0LS
01:40 mircea_popescu fatlogic is part of a larger series on "Socialism-brand Idiocy [I Can't Believe It's Not Stupid], and its consumerist aftermarket effects"
01:40 mircea_popescu can't really get fatlogic without reddit, they're both enmeshed in and the necessary results of the same dumb.
01:42 mircea_popescu as per usual the name of the anglotard game is "you may complain about any part of our retardation provided you import the fundamental principles that guarantee it reproduces itself in all its parts"
01:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512625 << ahahaha ok that's pretty great :D
01:45 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 00:52 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/einsatzgruppen_jewdetector.png
01:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512634 << gopro autouploads.
01:46 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 02:27 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512600 << bush girls would get party belligerent at smith point from time to time, main difference was that between bouncers and secret service, there's no way anybody was filming anything and still retained possession of device
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02:10 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Analysis of Elon Musk’s “Master Plan: Part Deux” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/02/analysis-of-elon-musks-master-plan-part-deux/
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02:27 mircea_popescu let me not be the only one lulzing at the greaseball shithead. here : https://archive.is/tumCH
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03:13 thestringpuller https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/759547166008315904
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04:49 thestringpuller TIL making your own dry ice is as easy as buying a fire extinguisher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFVerpNmEzA
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09:54 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1a3x
09:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
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10:56 mircea_popescu it's not too hard, no.
10:58 mircea_popescu ahahahaha reddit gonna steal another sub ?
11:12 * mircea_popescu waves hello to covertress
11:13 * covertress waves hello to mircea_popescu
11:13 mircea_popescu taken over teh blocktechoworld yet ?
11:13 covertress block by block
11:14 mircea_popescu lol
11:14 covertress came here today for the fireworks, if any
11:14 shinohai blockhead by blockhead?
11:14 covertress +1
11:15 covertress ETH btc thinks ETC liberator funds are on the move
11:16 mircea_popescu doh ? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510464 << see that part.
11:16 a111 Logged on 2016-07-27 17:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the eth "rednecks" are "acting against their own interest". as per usg verbiage now current.
11:16 mircea_popescu an' read the logs in integrum, generally speaking.
11:17 shinohai Good lolz you posted earlier re: Tual mircea_popescu
11:17 mircea_popescu old lulz sometimes ages like cheese.
11:17 * shinohai does not link to log to avoid pissing off his worship danielpbarron
11:18 mircea_popescu lol you're taking it too heartily.
11:18 shinohai I'm just pulling his chain :D
11:19 mircea_popescu chains are damnation tools.
11:22 shinohai http://puu.sh/qmTW9/cf8c53b3b9.jpg <<< /me wonders if mats received such training.
11:27 asciilifeform 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape!' -- ilkka kokkarinen
11:28 shinohai win
11:30 mircea_popescu iirc the army training is more along the lines of "if your mate looks like he's going to become a prisoner, shoot them"
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11:31 mircea_popescu somehow this is a lot more democratic than it sounds. because MODERN no doubt.
11:31 asciilifeform lel that's spetsnaz, not american army
11:32 mircea_popescu well naz something or the other at any rate.
11:32 mircea_popescu i recall adlai mentioning teh policy.
11:32 asciilifeform ;;seen adlai
11:32 gribble adlai was last seen in #trilema 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 48 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <adlai> ask not what your qntra can read to you; ask what you can write for your qntra
11:33 asciilifeform ;;seen gabriel_laddel
11:33 gribble gabriel_laddel was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 1 minute, and 7 seconds ago: <gabriel_laddel> wtf else are you going to do?
11:34 mircea_popescu btw, anyone seen shadowlands ?
11:35 asciilifeform the thing about c.s.lewis ?!
11:35 mircea_popescu hopkins does probably his best role ~as a man~, to jack nicholson levels. debra winger is utterly superb. perfect performance.
11:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha that one.
11:36 * asciilifeform has not seen
11:36 asciilifeform any good ?
11:36 mircea_popescu heartily recommended.
11:36 * asciilifeform puts on list
11:37 asciilifeform funny thing, lewis started showing up at the open air blackmarkets back in... '91? and we bought, and enjoyed, and then choked mid-way through series on the obvious bait
11:37 mircea_popescu i never cared much for the oxford genre fiction of the 50s.
11:38 asciilifeform it was for kidz!!
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11:38 mircea_popescu yes, this includes tolkien. no, i don't see him as much more than an earlier, therefore craftier, woman what's her name.
11:38 mircea_popescu nothing is ever for the kids.
11:38 asciilifeform lel silmarillion also for kidz ?
11:38 mircea_popescu in the sense that if they are old enough to walk they're old enough to fuck and that's the end of the matter.
11:38 asciilifeform didn't we have this thread
11:39 asciilifeform $s tolkien
11:39 a111 16 results for "tolkien", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tolkien
11:39 mircea_popescu wtf is the woman with the "successful franchise"
11:40 mircea_popescu can't even fucking remember any of this crud it's always the same words in a different souping.
11:40 asciilifeform 10,001 shannonizations of shakespeare don't cancel the original.
11:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446148 << thread.
11:41 a111 Logged on 2016-04-05 03:04 mircea_popescu: ok, point taken, the guy is good.
11:41 mircea_popescu a bunch of tired oxford fags trying to give their miserable subculture breath in the heavens doesn't make it a sort of byzantine "chrstian faith"
11:41 mircea_popescu it just makes them what thgey always were : invidious barbarians lost in a distant, misty island.
11:41 asciilifeform not what tolkien did.
11:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform their characters don't fuck properly. yes, good, as in crafty writer. still has nothing to say besides "god save the queen"
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11:42 asciilifeform didja ~read~ any ?
11:42 mircea_popescu which can be said well but isn't worth saying in any case.
11:42 mircea_popescu i read fragments.
11:42 asciilifeform or consulted anal oracle strictly
11:42 asciilifeform lel
11:42 mircea_popescu i can't help it, for all my patience i can't read ANYTHING integrally. some things annoy.
11:42 asciilifeform betcha 'lotr' would take less effort to read than mircea_popescu's spam queue for the week.
11:43 mircea_popescu i dun really read the spam queue.
11:43 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ << notice anything, speaking of ?
11:43 diana_coman I'm with asciilifeform on this one re Tolkien
11:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nowai!
11:44 asciilifeform no moar emailz?
11:44 mircea_popescu diana_coman are you with him also on "harry potter" ?
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as knuth said, there comes a time.
11:44 * asciilifeform actually cannot comment on 'harry potter', never read any
11:44 diana_coman don't know where he is on that, but harry potter is a shit from what I saw and no way to compare it to tolkien
11:44 mircea_popescu what exactly is the difference, prythee.
11:45 mircea_popescu i for the life of me can't distinguish them, and this is never a good sign.
11:45 * mircea_popescu also can't normally remember people's names. the people in question flatter themselves with the idea this is a fault of mine.
11:45 diana_coman hm, depending on where you are looking from, nothing can be distinguished from anything else on Earth really
11:46 mircea_popescu yes, it could be i'm an idiot, granted.
11:48 mircea_popescu so distinguish it for my benefit, should be instructive.
11:48 asciilifeform tolkien was an archaeologist and linguist, dug through all of europe's myths, legends, in the original languages, to make his feedstock. and was a talented and quite humble man, never saw ~any income from his fiction - which was superb, if verbose - during life.
11:48 asciilifeform the imitators, who chopped up tolkien and shannonized - are not worth the dust from my balls.
11:48 mircea_popescu yes, but i specifically disclaimed the argument as to craft. yes, the man is a crafty writer, archeologist, etc. put in the work. hard work. intelligently. yes.
11:48 mircea_popescu HE HAS NOTHING TO SAY.
11:49 mircea_popescu he comes from a dead culture. a culture which was never interesting to begin with.
11:49 mircea_popescu he has, literally, nothing to say.
11:49 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu knows this how ?
11:49 mircea_popescu he is, if you wish a metaphor, in the position of the old scottish lord with a nice big castle and ample fields, sitting alone without offspring, without the possibility of offspring, disinterested in the world, waiting to die.
11:49 mircea_popescu that's english culture, always was, will stay that way.
11:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform same way i know errything ?
11:50 mircea_popescu his characters don't fuck properly. read it side to side with, say, the decameron. ALSO an archeologist and whatnot. but one with things to say.
11:51 mircea_popescu so i say "this man never amounted to anything" and you say "but he is rich" and i say "and it doesn't matter"
11:51 asciilifeform how come mircea_popescu's ethnic allergy to the english dun extend to ol' william s. ?
11:52 mircea_popescu was a brief time in english history they were owned by the french, and it showed.
11:52 mircea_popescu eventually they decided to go with the dutch, and it turns out the dutch weren't anything but hayfire.
11:52 mircea_popescu in any case - this should prove it's not ETHNIC allergy.
11:54 diana_coman asciilifeform was faster than me on tolkien; it sounds to me that mircea_popescu's objection to Tolkien is that he did not tackle the right problem(s)
11:54 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512714 << iirc (it's been some years by now!) the exact policy is, "shoot to kill the captors, and don't hesitate just because you may kill your buddy"
11:54 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 15:30 mircea_popescu: iirc the army training is more along the lines of "if your mate looks like he's going to become a prisoner, shoot them"
11:55 mircea_popescu diana_coman not merely. but that he never tackled any problems.
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform (the french point, for ease of following : at the time james was king. the king of scotland. scotland was, throughout, and recognised at the time, a french outpost in the islands. shakespeare's own henry says as much.)
11:56 asciilifeform the 'nothing to say' is most appropriate verdict ~after~ reading b00k...
11:56 mircea_popescu i have read the book. to my standard of reading a book, which does include throw it away on its own merits.
11:57 diana_coman asciilifeform, sounds more like "after reading result of grep -r "fuck" :D
11:57 asciilifeform ^
11:57 mircea_popescu otherwise this position is much like "but teach, you can't score me on my program UNTIL IT FINISHES COMPILING!!1"
11:57 shinohai wb adlai
11:58 mircea_popescu adlai does it sound to you more alike "democratic" or more alike "national socialistiche" ?
11:58 asciilifeform granted mircea_popescu may or may not feel inclined to read the b00k, but the 'it suxx because jrrt was english' is a bag of lulz.
11:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not what was said ; also review the compiler point above.
11:58 phf i thought the objection was, not enough fucking
11:58 mircea_popescu one doesn't get out of literary criticism just by writing A LOT of crud people can't be bothered to read through.
11:59 asciilifeform insufficient fuck is a legit point
11:59 mircea_popescu i did not say insufficient
11:59 mircea_popescu i said THEY DON'T FUCK PROPERLY!
12:00 asciilifeform and romeo fucked juliet properly ?
12:00 mircea_popescu yes.
12:00 mircea_popescu this properly is a very wide loop.
12:01 BingoBoingo Coinbase got its kiss of death, ROger VERified the funds https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/760318293651566592
12:01 mircea_popescu lol.
12:01 mircea_popescu someone shjould ask him what ever happened to those 10 btc he broke blockchain.info to trace
12:01 mircea_popescu erryone forgot that lulz ?
12:02 BingoBoingo I remember the 10 BTC at the time which traded for ~$50
12:02 shinohai xD
12:02 mircea_popescu hey, it was a meal. a man without a meal is liable to do shocking things for the $50.
12:03 phf tolkien is not literature though, it's more like an oxford style set of artifacts (epics, linguistic analysis, chronicles, etc.). the interesting part of tolkien is that he invented a universe and described it through same set of tools he would describe historical past. the sex part is on point, because stodgy british professor, he views his imaginary world through same dodgy prism he views historical past.
12:03 BingoBoingo VERified is an American it is 20 happy meals
12:03 diana_coman mircea_popescu, thing is that what people can or cannot be bothered to read has to do with them, not with what is written really; so it's kind of circular: he writes "crud" because I can't be bothered to read it
12:03 mircea_popescu phf no argument there. he can be the president of the oxford medieval reenaction society and organise medieval faires. i'd go, with the chicks topless, they'd kick me out, all nice and good.
12:04 mircea_popescu diana_coman this is not true, for i am not people. i am a scholar, and when i spit an error the problem's the code not the compiler.
12:04 mircea_popescu you think what gcc can and can't be bothered to read has to do with bugs in gcc ?
12:04 diana_coman thing is: if you give gcc some python code, it won't be bothered to read it
12:05 diana_coman one can say python is crud, sure
12:05 mircea_popescu that's where the simile breaks down, i even read arabic.
12:05 diana_coman I think the language here is not the key
12:05 mircea_popescu you brought it up.
12:05 diana_coman maybe closer procedural vs functional
12:05 diana_coman I followed your simile, what can I do
12:05 mircea_popescu ~obviously~ you could translate, if that were the matter, "oh they brought him tolkien in islandic and he doesn't read that"
12:06 mircea_popescu but that's not the matter.
12:06 diana_coman so basically that's what you are asking for: translate tolkien for me so that I can see what is worth in there for in the current language I can't see it
12:07 mircea_popescu i said, actually, bring out a class, a function, a fucking data type, ANYTHING, that'd show this kid can program.
12:07 mircea_popescu and phf did the mnost that can earnestly be done, above.
12:07 asciilifeform fwiw i enjoyed jrrt moar in translation.
12:07 asciilifeform (as did also, e.g., my brother)
12:08 mircea_popescu granted the attendance is not much trained in this weird arcana, so we'll not dispose the matter on the spot. but still, worth thinking of. a book's a mechanism, like any other, not some sort of magical artefact.
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is generally indicative of subject matter without object point.
12:08 asciilifeform substantiate this ?
12:09 mircea_popescu if it's famous it gets "famous" translator, who's a writer ratee, who then fills the corpse with his own crabs. gives appearance of life, movement at least.
12:09 mircea_popescu how the fuck is it that english doesn't EVEN HAVE the word that describes its literature, ie, a rata, ratare ?
12:11 diana_coman I don't follow where the magical artefact came from; fwiw I fully agree that a book's a mechanism, true; I still can't fully grasp where you say this particular mechanism is broken/not even one ; I'll go through the old threads again, maybe I get it
12:11 phf well, tolkien ~is~ a construction set, but that's its whole point, it's just a very elaborate construction set.
12:11 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with this, EXCEPT it comes with instructions, and the instructions include "how to castrate yourself with your new lego set"
12:12 mircea_popescu diana_coman was mostly directed at teh boys, who never read literary criticism in their lyf.
12:13 asciilifeform who never read literary criticism in their lyf << lel, i live with it
12:13 mircea_popescu phf allow me to quote to you from modern tolkien : "The heir apparent, Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, is poorly regarded in Thailand and the succession has clouded the brows of not only the Thai political elite, but the Thai people, who believe a period of substantial instability will follow the King's death"
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12:14 asciilifeform dafuq ^this has to do with jrrt ?
12:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> nothing wrong with this, EXCEPT it comes with instructions, and the instructions include "how to castrate yourself with your new lego set" << This does seem like Tolkien/Lewis/Rowling et al. Pretty much made to turn people into apies with "worlds where people are special but fucking doesn't exist"
12:14 mircea_popescu this, because idiots perceived a man with a naked woman on her knees.
12:14 mircea_popescu and it's not in thefucking construction set, o noes!
12:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo read any jrrt ?
12:14 asciilifeform or also can probe contents with magic
12:14 BingoBoingo jrrt?
12:14 BingoBoingo Yeah
12:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is upon you to bring the exception, rather than complain of the form of the universal.
12:15 mircea_popescu believe it or not, there's nothing substantially wrong with the statement "no prime number is even"
12:15 mircea_popescu if you disbelieve this, go, bring the prime number that's even.
12:15 BingoBoingo Seriously fucking midgets with hairy feet are special, because their boring makes then determined?
12:15 diana_coman uhm, what worlds where people are special BingoBoingo ? as far as I know Tolkien's point was quite the opposite of this really
12:15 diana_coman lol BingoBoingo seriously
12:16 BingoBoingo diana_coman: What, wizards don't get to count?
12:16 mircea_popescu no, he has a point.
12:16 BingoBoingo Sauron seems like Tolkien wrote him pretty special.
12:16 asciilifeform all i see here is folks who possibly encountered modern and vaguely-tolkienisticly-flavoured pablum and proceed to piss on the original sight unseen
12:16 mircea_popescu maybe you do or maybe you don't knbow the kitsch victorian xtianity that yielded the special midgets.
12:16 mircea_popescu if you don't, it may seem neutral. it isn't neutral, not anymore than the glass fish on the milieu.
12:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the original is pablum, is hte problem.
12:17 diana_coman what point? that hobbits were special? they are meant to be exactly not-special, that's why I suspect BingoBoingo perceives them as boring in the first place
12:17 diana_coman exactly because they are not special
12:17 BingoBoingo Why did the midgets alternately love/despise gandalf with no middle ground if he wasn't special.
12:17 mircea_popescu no, it's "the divine poetry of little things" bla bla
12:17 diana_coman nope
12:17 diana_coman what divine poetry lolz
12:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wouldjha stop trolling them this is 101 class go to 205 and bother the twentysomethings!
12:18 mircea_popescu diana_coman you know that medieval "for lack of a nail" thing ?
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12:19 diana_coman guess not since I don't see the link
12:19 BingoBoingo <diana_coman> exactly because they are not special << And then they take a shit on national borders et al. Reading this sort of immersive universe is exactly how awkward teens become bornies/aspies/et al because they can wait for Gandalf to make them different and interesting.
12:19 mircea_popescu http://www.latrecut.ro/2006/04/peste-de-sticla/ << the glass fish on milieu. q to the attendance : is this artwork ?
12:19 mircea_popescu "well, it's a statue" "aj ok."
12:20 mircea_popescu (no, not ah, aj, it's not a misspelling, it just looks like one.)
12:20 diana_coman BingoBoingo, I think that teens who want to wait for someone to make them special will find something to justify it
12:21 diana_coman other than that I don't see any link to either immersive universes or Gandalf or Tolkien or whatever else
12:21 diana_coman now you are basically in the camp of hysterical wives with "violence in video games makes kids murderers"
12:21 BingoBoingo Nah violence in video games makes kids fat sacks of safety
12:22 diana_coman well, as long as it "makes" them, it's the same thing
12:22 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I don't get it
12:22 BingoBoingo Well, culture is a form of nourishment
12:23 phf i think it's the "computers for professionals" thread all over again.
12:23 mircea_popescu diana_coman miserable error message.
12:23 mircea_popescu phf that thread is never going away.
12:25 BingoBoingo Cultural obesity is a thing. If one gorges on Disney without exercising their culture in the real world, they become morbidly something.
12:26 diana_coman mircea_popescu, absolutely; I can't compute it atm at all, not even enough to spit out something meaningful on it
12:26 phf but the message seems to be, don't eat this it's bad for you. BingoBoingo grew up with fat people who don't know how to cook and only eat at mcdonalds. i grew up with moscows girls who all know how to cook, and for them stopping by a mcdonalds for a milkshake was sort of a thing
12:27 diana_coman BingoBoingo, pure and proper obesity is a thing; if one gorges on butter only without exercising/doing anything/actually cooking with it, they become morbidly something; how is that the fault of butter now though?
12:27 BingoBoingo phf: More, don't eat only this and for the love of god go out into the world occasionally and test it.
12:28 BingoBoingo diana_coman: It is the manifestation of the Obeast's character defects amplified by their access to butter.
12:28 diana_coman still nothing to do with butter
12:28 BingoBoingo But everything to do with their accesss to it!
12:28 mircea_popescu the message isn't don't eat this it's bad for you. wqhether something is good or bad is no direct relation of whether you should like it or not. if you like it, like it, and if you will sin go sin. come back when you've sinned enough.
12:29 diana_coman keep aspies away from tolkien you say? so keep them, whatevs
12:29 asciilifeform i dunno that i've ever run into anyone among the kind of folk BingoBoingo described, who actually ~read~ tolkien.
12:29 mircea_popescu just don't go around thinking / saying that "there's nothing outside of sin"
12:29 mircea_popescu that's just wrong.
12:34 diana_coman mircea_popescu, "there's no errect penis in tolkien's book" - is this a correct description of the main fault you find?
12:34 mircea_popescu otherwise, the notion that tolkien is a writer is not unlike the notion that roger alexander of the us civil war reenactment society is A CIVIL WAR HERO.
12:34 mircea_popescu diana_coman not at all.
12:34 mircea_popescu there's no erect penis in romeo & juliet either, see above.
12:34 diana_coman well, fwiw tolkien as far as I know did NOT consider himself a writer
12:35 mircea_popescu and in that he was right.
12:35 mircea_popescu this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in the anglotard world. have yo useen this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading a book" on their commute.
12:36 mircea_popescu it blew me away. at first.
12:36 mircea_popescu then i took a look at the "books" in question.
12:36 mircea_popescu it blew me away... the other way.
12:36 asciilifeform when and where did mircea_popescu see this ?
12:36 mircea_popescu england, 2000s. london commute trains.
12:36 phf i don't think even tolkien fans think of tolkien as a writer, that's why him and his brood get own section at a bookstore
12:36 asciilifeform modern-day train is full of folks playing doom XXXXXII or wat, on ipnoje
12:37 mircea_popescu phf much like "solo" gets its own section at the pron store.
12:37 mircea_popescu it's for people who don't like seeing peni, like alf here present :)
12:37 asciilifeform on d.c. metro there will also typically be 2-3 chix per car, reading off epaper gizmo, and if you look it will be a ru 'romance' 9/10 times
12:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah obv. that was back before the jobs return.
12:38 asciilifeform there is also usually 1-2 kidz with chemistry etc textbooks
12:38 asciilifeform and a bureaucrat or 2, who is taking her 3ring home and probably diddles it even on the pot
12:39 asciilifeform also there is an almost inevitable black dude singing to himself, and/or pumping what must be 50w through his earbuds, can be heard from 3 cars away
12:39 asciilifeform and 2-3 beggars with printed (yes) plaquards, shoved in face of passengers, with 'sob story' about chillunz etc
12:40 asciilifeform ^ more or less complete picture of typical d.c. train ^
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12:40 diana_coman mircea_popescu> this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in the anglotard world. have yo useen this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading a book" on their commute <- actually I saw this in FRANCE
12:40 mircea_popescu france is part and parcel of anglotard world these days.
12:40 mircea_popescu except if you go to i dunno, farm in normandy or w/e. certainly no paris in paris.
12:41 diana_coman uhm, what is not part? (it was pretty much all the way from Paris to Lyon at least)
12:41 mircea_popescu by now the only places left outside are left outside because too dumb to qualify for anglotardation, such as argentina.
12:41 mircea_popescu not because "know better".
12:42 mircea_popescu i suppose it's not to be surprising. if one day you decide to pump the septic tank into the house, the only things still standing will be still standing because lower density than the shit, and so float, not other reason.
12:43 mircea_popescu what doth surprise me however, diana_coman , is that the allergy i presume in you for the works of "socialist realism" does not somehow extend to... this here OTHER, exactly the same, socialist realism.
12:43 mircea_popescu what ever happened to make tolkien more acceptable than sadoveanu ?
12:44 mircea_popescu exact same swill.
12:45 mircea_popescu i even loved him as a kid, and thought it great fiction. just don't seem to summon the interest these days.
12:48 diana_coman hm, funnily enough I did love Sadoveanu as a kid but got over it somewhere in the teens
12:50 diana_coman Tolkien made his universe as a place to experiment with his language; I can fully see and agree with the point that it is "not real life" - I read him very late and therefore I knew this already, I never for a second considered it as "real life" or reflection of it or whatever; I guess that's where the whole thing comes from
12:51 mircea_popescu aha ? exactly my point.
12:51 asciilifeform 'tolkien as real life' belongs in same asylum as 'doom as real life'
12:52 mircea_popescu it is not literature, but copywriting. reading him can be interesting, like reading an instruction manual for any artefact can be interesting. i do it sometimes for "no reason" even.
12:52 diana_coman but how does that make him crud I don't get
12:52 mircea_popescu nevertheless, tolkien is therefore part of english CIVILISATION. he is an artefact. he is pointedly NOT part of culture.
12:52 mircea_popescu this passes unnoticed in english because no culture anyway.
12:52 mircea_popescu diana_coman you familiar with bouvard & pecuchet, the dicitonary readers ?
12:52 mircea_popescu that's how.
12:53 mircea_popescu it's not altogether clear the anglos even have a "life plan" that includes anything besides "how to be mme bovary's husband BUT AVOID the whole legbox incident & fallout thereof."
12:57 mircea_popescu "somewhere in the teens". ie, "when i disbecame a child".
12:59 diana_coman maybe; guess I need to revisit bouvard&pecuchet
13:00 diana_coman what is copywriting to you?
13:00 mircea_popescu any writing that's paid by the line.
13:00 mircea_popescu you know... for newspapers.
13:00 diana_coman uhm, he wasn't; didn't even write it for that
13:00 mircea_popescu which is the sad part here.
13:01 diana_coman in these terms you would rank harry potter higher then
13:01 mircea_popescu why is that ?
13:01 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/contact displays a corrupted (??) key that will not import
13:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:01 diana_coman well, she got paid a lot more for sure
13:01 asciilifeform New: unknown(tag 34)(128 bytes)
13:01 asciilifeform Old: Public Subkey Packet(tag 14)(109 bytes)
13:01 asciilifeform pgpdump: unknown version (55).
13:01 diana_coman if it is copywriting hence the point is to get paid for the length, she did better by a wide margin , no?
13:01 mircea_popescu look, a woman's still a whore if she gets married to some loser and keeps doing it.
13:02 mircea_popescu we're not formalists here, are we.
13:03 diana_coman if it's not "real life" it's not literature, but copywriting; is this it?
13:03 mircea_popescu not quite. consider : "what would you call bullshit science ?" "anything that comes from a grant application".
13:04 mircea_popescu same principle.
13:04 mircea_popescu this doesn't make crackpots somehow inherit the empire of proper science, through the absenteism of everyhone else.
13:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: How about now?
13:09 asciilifeform now yes
13:09 asciilifeform what changed ?
13:09 diana_coman hm; so far we established we agree (and apparently this wasn't in fact disputed although it seemed so) that tolkien's writing is not reflecting "real life" nor intended to really; this makes it crud in your view I gather
13:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I pasted the key in fresh
13:12 BingoBoingo using canonical deedbot copy
13:12 asciilifeform i am wondering what BingoBoingo did last time
13:12 asciilifeform to result in the rubbish key with apparently ok headers
13:12 BingoBoingo probably pasted from sks
13:12 asciilifeform lolk
13:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd remove sks from your 'contact me' page if i were you
13:12 asciilifeform it is evil.
13:12 asciilifeform and is standing in line for the chopping block
13:13 mircea_popescu the reason i don't watch "Star wars" or "sex and the city" ; nor bother with "lords of the rings" or "jezebel" is exactly the same reason i don't go around sex stores to sniff used condoms and napkins from the bin in their video booths, like isabelle huppert's character in the piano teacher : i am not quite that hungry.
13:13 mircea_popescu i can understand others can be, and have no beef with it. and i don't necessarily even pity the situation, a test's a test.
13:14 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the child that insists to stay and dedicates his effort to staying a child, a la http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ has a serious mental problem.
13:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so once its head rolls i'll take it off.
13:16 BingoBoingo My opinion of JK Rowling increased over the weekend when I learned that she released the new Harry Potter story as a printed play. A++ Trolling.
13:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in another twenty years they'll catch up with the "book for practical activities of making puippets and imagining scenes", ie 1970s ro standard
13:17 mircea_popescu (it's in the logs)
13:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously. In the interim the butthurt is a lot of win.
13:18 mircea_popescu who's butthurt ?!
13:18 mircea_popescu teh readersheep ?
13:19 BingoBoingo The people who deep inside wanted another novel to take them away from IRL for a while.
13:19 mircea_popescu but but whay! it's more cultural this way! like a play!
13:19 BingoBoingo By butthurt readers I especially mean WAPO http://www.slate.com/blogs/nightlight/2016/07/31/harry_potter_and_the_cursed_child_reviewed.html
13:19 mircea_popescu heh k
13:20 phf mircea_popescu: what about stevenson, doyle, dumas, kipling, they also all fall into that category?
13:20 diana_coman I'll add only the message that considered to be "what Tolkien had to say" (even though he did it through "not-real-life universe") namely that all and everyone (yeah, the ordinary and no, they are not made anything by gandalf quite pointedly not made anything by him) is in some way responsible /called to do something when shit hits the fan; that is all I guess
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13:20 mircea_popescu doyle and dumas fo sho. kipling maybe, it's somewhat iffier.
13:20 mircea_popescu but nevermind stevenson : dickens.
13:21 diana_coman BingoBoingo, those people have loads of things for that purpose; will move onto something else fast enough
13:21 phf hehe, i don't care about dickens :>
13:21 mircea_popescu diana_coman methinks you just explained what you asked of me.
13:21 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Well butthurt does tend to fade. If it persists longer than two weeks they have to see a doctor
13:22 mircea_popescu phf i couldn't tell you re stevenson. the only scott i ever read was shaw. anmd shaw is not in this.
13:22 phf oh what about poe?
13:22 mircea_popescu re kipling, because this just came up in mp household : girly read his story, you know the one. the spooky one, with the people in the pit.
13:23 mircea_popescu she asked me if i ever read it, and i said oh god that thing was spooky.
13:23 mircea_popescu and then she finished it. and was nonplussed by the end, much like... everyone ever.
13:23 mircea_popescu that'd be kipling. he ... is a promising writer.
13:23 shinohai You mean Under the Doedars?
13:23 mircea_popescu i suspect so.
13:23 shinohai *Deodars
13:23 BingoBoingo Kippling solid English author
13:24 BingoBoingo "Murder the Jungle before Jungle Murders US!!!!"
13:24 mircea_popescu phf http://trilema.com/2015/oracle-sunday-on-eulora/
13:24 mircea_popescu notably enough, NO PLAYER DARED.
13:32 * thestringpuller does ritual dance to summon shinohai
13:33 phf so is it purely when i became a man, i put the ways of childhood behind me, or you're saying there's something specific to tolkien that turns his fans into castrati?
13:34 BingoBoingo $s Vice
13:34 a111 37 results for "Vice", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Vice
13:34 mircea_popescu i do not say any such thing. i say he is a competent smith, running as best he can a convenience shop, which for whatever reason is blessed with a wall where every jay and silent bob in the county is attracted to rest, and rap, and what they do.
13:36 mircea_popescu baudelaire, toulouse-lautrec and five others fucked the same one whore. this blessed woman made toulouse-lautrec a writer, baudelaire a painter, and five others nothing ?
13:37 mircea_popescu when i was a child i wore blue, and diana_coman wore pink. thanks god they didn't mix up the colors, lest i'd have grown tits ?
13:39 mircea_popescu or for that matter, woman shouldn't wear pink ? what if she's bonbon blonde ?
13:40 BingoBoingo http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article92962632.html#wgt=trending
13:44 phf hm
13:45 mircea_popescu literally, the only point problems start, is when jay goes into shop and wants to buy an ipad because he thinks this is the only shop and therefore must be that apple concept store he's heard about.
13:48 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512927 << storify it! bonus points for cocks, esp if they're only implicit.
13:48 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 16:40 asciilifeform: ^ more or less complete picture of typical d.c. train ^
13:48 mircea_popescu lol
13:50 hanbot <phf> mircea_popescu: what about stevenson, doyle, dumas, kipling, they also all fall into that category? << and what of verne & carroll?
13:50 mircea_popescu verne absolutely. carroll not one bit.
13:51 mircea_popescu (showing that it's not the air or water of oxford magically doing it, or somesuch. much like it's not the ethnic group per se.)
13:52 phf hanbot: pretty sure can also add jack london, but not mark twain
13:53 mircea_popescu mark twain being the best example as far as trouble goes - by "rights" you should add him, and yet he doesn't belong, at all.
13:53 phf :>
13:53 mircea_popescu what cock ? there isn't even ANY WOMAN.
13:53 mircea_popescu yet the nigger plays enough womanhood to qualify the whole thing. nuts, huh.
13:56 hanbot well there's an interesting cleavage. it's probably a stretch but i might suggest that tolkein's bit with gollum shares the sensual/sexual/at any rate internal-and-external, physical change via subjugation of self that appears in say alice's "eat me" wafers, if that does anything for you mircea_popescu
13:57 mircea_popescu that he buries it under 5000 pages doesn't help. much of carroll's... lightiness, to call faggotry thus for now, is excused on the grounds of brevity.
13:57 mircea_popescu how long can an aliteration run before it's tedious ?
13:59 hanbot http://trilema.com/2010/cuvinte-carencep-cu-a/ << you tell me? :D
13:59 mircea_popescu (and yes, faggotry is not merely sexuality, ie, homosexuality. it is also a certain sort of ineptitude. the man who stutters when addressing a woman is not merely short of the simple "strip" indication ; but actually a faggot by this measure.)
13:59 mircea_popescu hanbot lol
14:00 mircea_popescu one of the shortest trilema articles, and tbh getting tedious about midway.
14:01 mircea_popescu but, a blog differs from "a body of literary work" in this sense, that it's much more extensive. a blog is "all the literature i could write", a middle ground between "i did" and "i could have".
14:04 hanbot sure. and no, i don't think tolkien had much mastery of economy of words (somehow this'd seem to make him less a copywriter? or maybe merely a more monstrous one).
14:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513000 << and that is the point there. greatness in smallness, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512876 and all that jazz. perhaps best explained by monty python : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
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14:06 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 16:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know that medieval "for lack of a nail" thing ?
14:06 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 17:20 diana_coman: I'll add only the message that considered to be "what Tolkien had to say" (even though he did it through "not-real-life universe") namely that all and everyone (yeah, the ordinary and no, they are not made anything by gandalf quite pointedly not made anything by him) is in some way responsible /called to do something when shit hits the fan; that is all I guess
14:08 mircea_popescu but that's light, the humour of a well fed mob. you recall the scene of the poor italian child with a bedridden mother and numerous siblings living in a hole, jumping to his death ? much more on point.
14:09 mircea_popescu which is why italian realism IS realism ; whereas ingsoc realism is just another sovietism, ie nonsense.
14:15 mircea_popescu hanbot it's a problem deeper than mere "economy of words".
14:17 mircea_popescu it's the fundamental core of all bad literature, "what if the rules didn't apply". good literature is the work of "what if the rules applied differently", never a case of "let's all pretend britannia rules the seas."
14:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is still punching this ~wholly imaginary bag, instead of the actual jrrt
14:18 mircea_popescu but object rather than meta-object, neh ?
14:19 hanbot yeah, i'm not sure i can specifically place this unapplication of rules, emplacement of britannia ruling the seas in the actual work
14:20 mircea_popescu hanbot why would you place ~it in the actual work~ when it's a response to a meta-discussion you started with " i don't think tolkien had much mastery of economy of words" ?
14:20 mircea_popescu we're talking of tolkien and hgis masteries. that he THINKS it's ok to disregard the brevity rule does not make it go away.
14:21 hanbot aha, hrm.
14:22 mircea_popescu the thing flew "look, this thing almost like in carroll is in tolkien" "yes but here's deluged in crap" "oh, well this guy deluges things in crap" "that he does or that he doesn't has no bearing on crap and deluging."
14:23 hanbot right. well so, apparently i have no argument lol
14:24 mircea_popescu as i said, we're not about to dispose of this matter here and now anywayz.
14:24 hanbot scandalous how much bad literature there is by this tolkien token then!
14:24 mircea_popescu huxley said the same thing. to his misfortune, he chose to die the day they killed kennedy, and so...
14:24 mircea_popescu scandalous how many randos die the same day as you.
14:25 mircea_popescu (c s lewis, also, funnily enough)
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dfaa9d9f-cc4a-465f-b291-8715f65ceed8/?raw=true << draft of phuctor finds qntra, plox to edit and pass to BingoBoingo
14:25 mircea_popescu o.O
14:25 mircea_popescu alrighty.
14:25 asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu .
14:26 hanbot mircea_popescu wow wtf.
14:27 mircea_popescu this might be the first html document that starts with a </style> tag.
14:27 asciilifeform it was a hasty cut from a larger blob
14:27 mircea_popescu hanbot i was referencing this with the baudelaire and whore story. but then again... absolutely nobody would have guessed as much, i figure, amirite.
14:27 asciilifeform feel free to trim the offal.
14:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform was just funnay :D
14:27 asciilifeform and lel, buttfinex finally croaked..?
14:28 asciilifeform 'Today we discovered a security breach that requires us to halt all trading on Bitfinex, as well as halt all digital token deposits to and withdrawals from Bitfinex. We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen. We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach. While we conduct this initial investigation and secure ou
14:28 asciilifeform r environment, bitfinex.com will be taken down and the maintenance page will be left up. The theft is being reported to — and we are co-operating with — law enforcement.'
14:28 mircea_popescu who could have predicted... o wait... mpoe-pr did ?
14:28 asciilifeform 'As we account for individualized customer losses, we may need to settle open margin positions, associated financing, and/or collateral affected by the breach....'
14:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'the next prime following' prolly ought to be 'the first prime following' -- otherwise we get 'run from me to the next oak tree'
14:30 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512654 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512596 Stabilitit does not break downward without bleeding scammers
14:30 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 23:16 BingoBoingo: ^related https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224745.0;all
14:30 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 04:46 BingoBoingo: Anyone else smell blood?
14:32 BingoBoingo Fuck, lingering in this channel and its predecessor since 2013 has really attuned my ability to smell death even with my pack a day cigarette habit
14:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ima write the butfinex thing
14:33 mircea_popescu you'll get mail within teh hour.
14:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty, thing we discussed is nearing publication
14:34 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513051 - it seems to me that you are taking what I said to mean what you meant; called to do something and responsible in some way does not mean everybody is the same/has same effect or some other such nonsense; the peasant in the hut won't save the world no matter what they do, but this doesn't mean they should do nothing/whatever; similarly, the same peasant may not have "done bad" but this
14:34 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513000 << and that is the point there. greatness in smallness, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512876 and all that jazz. perhaps best explained by monty python : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
14:34 diana_coman doesn't mean they have no responsibility for the current shit in the world
14:34 mircea_popescu maybe.
14:36 diana_coman as to length that indeed I can agree it is a big fault of tolkien - at times he rambles because apparently he's just too much in love with the landscape basically
14:36 asciilifeform i kept waiting for somebody to bring up the luddism
14:37 asciilifeform and the fellatio of the imaginary pre-industrial paradise in england
14:37 asciilifeform but nobody did
14:38 diana_coman I find it actually quite interesting that it's perceived as saying "britain the isolated , small, insignifiant by now island actually matters/is mighty/hero/whatevs" when I read it quite the opposite: as long as they are happy in their own world, they don't matter/contribute nothing/and if they are not interested in the world, the world at some point will be interested in them - and with a big stick at that
14:39 asciilifeform diana_coman: aha, recall, he wrote in the shadow of german bombers.
14:39 asciilifeform (even tried to get into the army but rejected on account of age)
14:40 diana_coman aha, precisely
14:44 BingoBoingo Only one (WOT:nonperson) in cast of latest Qntra, guess who! http://qntra.net/2016/08/coinbase-engineering-director-jokes-that-roger-verified-their-coins-are-safe/
14:47 thestringpuller time for OT
14:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7a49246f-a701-41cf-88ca-da0a61813f7f/?raw=true
14:47 mircea_popescu what a qntra day!
14:47 BingoBoingo Seriously
14:48 phf asciilifeform: luddism point is aligned with what mircea_popescu is saying, so nobody's really interested in shooting own foot :>
14:48 mircea_popescu really, byzantine fiction (currently known as the vulgate) is much better. but i don't think much more of the people who regard the bible as "great writing" than of the tolkien fans.
14:50 deedbot [Qntra] Coinbase Engineering Director Jokes That Roger VERified Their Coins Are Safe - http://qntra.net/2016/08/coinbase-engineering-director-jokes-that-roger-verified-their-coins-are-safe/
14:51 asciilifeform aaaand guess what, after they lowered into pederasty, and then murdered, ian of debian, we get: https://bits.debian.org/2016/08/debian-and-tor-services-available-as-onion-services.html
14:55 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
14:55 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 576.67, vol: 8326.09899249 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 577.093, vol: 9504.19206 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 585.834795, vol: 155877.42810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 578.91, vol: 3586.75787395 | Volume-weighted last average: 584.795686196
14:56 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
14:56 gribble Current Blocks: 423360 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
14:57 deedbot [Qntra] Bitfinex Breaks: Fiat Exchange That Never Had Anything To Do With Bitcoin Finally Goes Away - http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-breaks-fiat-exchange-that-never-had-anything-to-do-with-bitcoin-finally-goes-away/
15:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is how it works, now it can be theirs, so.
15:00 asciilifeform aha.
15:01 mircea_popescu why the fuck does archive.is shot of bitfines come out blank o.O
15:02 asciilifeform and also why does submitting to archive.is only work via the 'not found, submit' link in search results box...?
15:02 mircea_popescu weird.
15:02 asciilifeform thing is more or less broken
15:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "they sunk instead of swam" << swimming. or alternatively, "instead of swan" i guess.
15:05 diana_coman <mircea_popescu> really, byzantine fiction (currently known as the vulgate) is much better. but i don't think much more of the people who regard the bible as "great writing" than of the tolkien fans. <- fans, lol; out of curiosity: an example as to "much better"?
15:06 mircea_popescu yes fans. every generation has its thing, orwell tells the story of their infatuation with "a shrophsire lad" (which, for maximal lulz, is actually referenced in, say, a room with a view - old hag actually attempts to discuss florence in terms of a sort of shropshire.)
15:06 phf if jrrt was just saying "happy in their own world", there probably wouldn't be a story. he makes a point that shire values are best values all throughout the books. gandalf does all kinds of scheming in order to ensure that it's hobbits specifically that participate in the quests, rather than random guy from the street, and it's the kind of values jerome k jerome was making fun of that somehow make hobbits particularly fit for task
15:06 BingoBoingo ty fxd
15:06 mircea_popescu diana_coman take the story of the whore who wanted to fuck the patriarch. it's a fine story.
15:07 mircea_popescu phf jkj particularly useful reference here ; and yes quite so.
15:08 mircea_popescu diana_coman finer, i will wager, than anything to be found in the 50k lop (lines of pablum) here under consideration.
15:08 mircea_popescu and no, you can't have a story of arbitrary length ; anything longer than a novel becomes a sludge of separate stories whether you want to or not.
15:08 diana_coman phf, fit for some tasks, not for all tasks, no?
15:08 mircea_popescu like what good and worthy task aren't they fit for ?
15:09 mircea_popescu the only reason they're not the best vacuum cleaner door to door salesmen is that selling vacuum cleaners door to door isn't all that great.
15:11 BingoBoingo Well, they need to door to door things that make sense sold that way like gutters.
15:11 diana_coman mircea_popescu, hm, as far as I recall they are not great fighters at all for one thing
15:11 thestringpuller oh man i love seeing the qntra diversity
15:11 mircea_popescu because in ingsoc socialism fighting is bad.
15:12 thestringpuller any reason for the spike in diverse authors? continuing the trend would be cool.
15:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/ << now do diff to your thing for next time.
15:12 asciilifeform neato mircea_popescu
15:12 diana_coman uhm, what, the dwarfs are now bad in there? (I am all open to seeing this in any other way - I did not grow up with it or something of the kind - but I can't say I see this in there at all)
15:14 phf diana_coman: perfectly fit for proper and good life as defined by tolkien, somehow magically fit for all the necessary tasks of the quest. even fighting, like pippin and merry after they are split from fellowship. they are literally only unfit for things that are bad, and even there frodo eventually at the last moment gets corrupted, Let That Be A Warning To You All
15:14 shinohai lol asciilifeform "Peace in our ctime();"
15:15 deedbot [Qntra] Phuctor Finds Seven Keys Produced With Null RNG, And Other Curiosities - http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/
15:16 phf i think that if you approach jrrt as literature and worse start applying literary analysis to it, then mircea_popescu wins in the first round. if you start looking for life lessons and values in jrrt books it's a lot of really dodgy shit
15:20 diana_coman phf, in that case basically mircea_popescu has a point anyway and there isn't anywhere to go otherwise; I read it to mean what I said above (so no, not the best etc) - maybe I was just so tolerant as to miss the bullshit entirely
15:21 diana_coman what can I say: it wouldn't even be the first time I saw someone as the best version they could be rather than what they actually really were
15:24 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4vu9qm/pgp_key_of_mahmood_khadeer_president_of_the << for further lulz.
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15:48 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
15:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 9967.39642678 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 573.661, vol: 10655.80966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 579.476144, vol: 164602.26320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 562.64, vol: 4096.36899115 | Volume-weighted last average: 578.075068468
15:50 deedbot [Qntra] Network Difficulty Experiences Modest Drop Of ~5.4% In Second Change Post Halving - http://qntra.net/2016/08/network-difficulty-experiences-modest-drop-of-5-4-in-second-change-post-halving/
15:51 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/borcanelanul-elanul-la-borcan/#comment-118359
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16:43 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gasbag.jpg << lulzy, old bloated cell from pnoje
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16:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:44 asciilifeform ^ pete_dushenski, phf, other connoisseurs ^
16:56 asciilifeform $up boolcrap
16:56 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
16:56 boolcrap i can speak
16:56 boolcrap my speech is limited just like in amerikka
16:56 asciilifeform boolcrap: didja bury your pgp key in the garden and planted apple tree on top, or wat
16:56 boolcrap im actually going to recover it today when i install my new motherboard
16:57 boolcrap hopefully this one doesnt croak when i turn VTx on
16:57 asciilifeform i recommend also using pc iron bought from shop, and not dug up from garden
16:57 asciilifeform it works better.
16:57 boolcrap i hope to actually dig up something amazing from the garden
16:57 boolcrap like a box of gold coins burried in 1740
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16:58 asciilifeform aha. then buy some proper iron
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17:14 BingoBoingo boolcrap: Maybe you dig up 5 pound sweet potato? Such things have happened before.
17:14 boolcrap nope
17:14 boolcrap i dug up a 1lb potato that was my biggest
17:15 BingoBoingo Ah. The five pounder happened on the year of a single sweet potato
17:17 BingoBoingo Thing covered thanksgiving and christmas all by itself
17:19 mircea_popescu and there was a quarter mile traffic jam caused by... senor flocop parking.
17:19 mircea_popescu i kid you not.
17:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps penalty ought to be a mandatory excursion to usa, to learn how to parallel-park.
17:22 mircea_popescu he'd just go to miami
17:27 BingoBoingo $up boolcrap
17:27 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
17:29 asciilifeform $up privkeytones
17:29 deedbot privkeytones voiced for 30 minutes.
17:29 asciilifeform privkeytones: who might you be ?
17:30 privkeytones $isup qntra.net
17:30 mircea_popescu deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3e782031-6e65-4e12-b874-7f875ce955b9/
17:30 asciilifeform privkeytones: it loads here
17:31 BingoBoingo deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3e782031-6e65-4e12-b874-7f875ce955b9/?raw=true
17:31 BingoBoingo ^ trinque
17:31 mircea_popescu hmm
17:31 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: gross!
17:32 privkeytones I can only reach it intermittently for some reason, seems the DNS address cannot be found..
17:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: for bonus gross, the entire inside of the metal cup that comprises the body of the pnoje, is razor-sharp, literally you will not notice as it opens all of your fingers at once
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17:33 ben_vulpes ick.
17:33 ben_vulpes this is why i left #fabcareer
17:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i spent 5min prying loose the battery (they glued it) and another 5 wiping off the blood.
17:33 privkeytones asciilifeform log reader
17:34 ben_vulpes hoho you actually sliced yourself, eh?
17:34 mircea_popescu let him bleed for his art.
17:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: interestingly - silent, painlessly, thing is literally a knife
17:35 asciilifeform there ought to be a mod that turns the thing open when you press it just-so and turns into a stealthy weapon.
17:35 trinque BingoBoingo: not the prefered nomenclature!
17:35 trinque $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3e782031-6e65-4e12-b874-7f875ce955b9/?raw=true
17:35 mircea_popescu a ty
17:36 trinque word
17:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: semi-relatedly, kiddo sliced his hands open on the radiator fins of an airconditioner i had lying foolishly within reach
17:36 * trinque checks to see if I stopped the thing when working with mod6
17:36 mircea_popescu not so foolishly then
17:36 deedbot accepted: 1
17:36 trinque a sweet
17:36 asciilifeform further lelz, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12213470
17:37 ben_vulpes child never noticed. lady, though, did rather quickly, once the bright red started getting on rugs and the baby.
17:37 ben_vulpes and that was the day i won the great Battle of Cyanoacrylate
17:37 mircea_popescu lol
17:37 mircea_popescu you glued her baby back together ?
17:37 mircea_popescu YOU MONSTER
17:37 ben_vulpes imagine how pointless it is to attempt to band-aid a 9-month old's fingers.
17:37 ben_vulpes TEH MONSTROUS
17:37 trinque lol
17:38 ben_vulpes two weeks later, cuts herself open on something else, "hey where's the superglue?"
17:38 ben_vulpes "in my bike bag. don't forget to antibiotic before applying the glue."
17:41 mircea_popescu $up finlol
17:41 deedbot finlol voiced for 30 minutes.
17:42 finlol goxed
17:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513170 << from what i hear that's more of a curse in the us of a.
17:42 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 20:57 boolcrap: like a box of gold coins burried in 1740
17:43 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
17:43 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
17:43 mircea_popescu there are no tickers
17:44 ben_vulpes what's that?
17:44 ben_vulpes no price signal?
17:45 ben_vulpes nobody could have oh whatever
17:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hn.png << 'why japanese toilets did not catch on in usa' in 3, 2, 1....
17:49 BingoBoingo lol
17:50 deedbot [Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-july-2016-statement/
17:52 mircea_popescu i dun get it ?
17:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: original phuctor story on that site was manually replaced with 'japanese toilets' link
17:53 asciilifeform within ~2 hrs iirc.
17:53 mircea_popescu o.O
17:54 mircea_popescu lulzy stuff, but it'll need better documentation lol
17:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1460657
17:54 a111 Logged on 2016-05-02 04:39 asciilifeform: with 'why japanese toilets did not catch on in america!'
17:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elaborate ?
17:55 mircea_popescu i'm confused. did they just do this, ie, now ?
17:55 asciilifeform not YET
17:55 mircea_popescu ah
17:56 asciilifeform it was done last year.
17:56 asciilifeform when the first keys popped.
17:56 mircea_popescu right. i thought it happened again, woulda been almost trollage.
17:56 mircea_popescu ;;lastblock
17:56 gribble Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
17:57 mircea_popescu ;;last
17:57 gribble [17:56:55] <mircea_popescu> ;;lastblock
17:57 mircea_popescu da fuck was it
17:58 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
17:58 gribble Time since last block: 2 minutes and 50 seconds
17:58 * mircea_popescu reloads http://deedbot.org/ frantically
17:59 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 550.4, vol: 12272.82816775 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.644, vol: 12132.81198 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.267321, vol: 180679.04120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 554.598, vol: 4940.77120382 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.300507152
18:08 BingoBoingo $up Reydev
18:08 deedbot Reydev voiced for 30 minutes.
18:11 shinohai "Ads are being blocked. For us to continue writing great stories, we need to display ads." <<< guess this is why Qntra can't produce great stories.
18:11 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-423385.txt
18:13 deedbot [Qntra] Yet Another Underwhelming Effort To Fork Bitcoin Unveiled - http://qntra.net/2016/08/yet-another-underwhelming-effort-to-fork-bitcoin-unveiled/
18:19 asciilifeform lel boeck replies.
18:19 asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12213785
18:23 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaand it's gone from front pg.
18:23 asciilifeform pretty fast.
18:27 mircea_popescu ah sweet it puts the deed bundles in here now ?
18:28 shinohai The shitstain has spoken
18:28 asciilifeform i do wonder how a boeck is paid - per word? for 'result' ?
18:28 mircea_popescu shinohai it's a toss-up whether it can't produce great stories because no ads or because being mean.
18:28 mircea_popescu toss-up, geddit ?
18:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aspie 14% needn't be paid. wonder instead how he hopes&dreams.
18:29 mircea_popescu and i'd expect he does it by the tolkien.
18:29 trinque mircea_popescu │ ah sweet it puts the deed bundles in here now ? << sho nuff
18:29 mircea_popescu there's a quanta of energy, a token of friendship and a tolkien of usg.aspie h&d.
18:29 asciilifeform next mircea_popescu will blame gulag on mayakovsky, or wat.
18:30 mircea_popescu and if i did, who'd speak for him ?
18:30 asciilifeform maybe phf. i'm not a fan.
18:30 mircea_popescu Adevărat „copil al secolului” Vladimir Maiakovski este poetul care „a săvârșit una dintre cele mai mari revoluții literare cunoscute de istoria literaturii universale.” << sez ro.shittypedia, so must be tru.
18:31 mircea_popescu oh, i forgot in that enumeration : the tsyan, intelligence measure. named for the... militsyan
18:32 mircea_popescu and note that naming the tolkien for tolkien isn't blaming him for the gulag. merely recognising his intricacy in the civilisation-masquerading-as-a-culture that spawned him.
18:32 mircea_popescu you know, like measuring skin tone by the obama. what, he made melanin ?
18:33 asciilifeform and let's say i propose 'the aristotle' as a unit of tautological circularity.
18:33 asciilifeform problem ?
18:33 mircea_popescu nope.
18:33 mircea_popescu tho the aquinas would prolly work better.
18:33 asciilifeform tru.
18:33 mircea_popescu or even the recently discussed descartes.
18:35 mircea_popescu "an orwell of bedwetting"
18:36 asciilifeform lel. how many litres is that
18:36 mircea_popescu these are imperial measures, not metric.
18:36 asciilifeform hm yes.
18:37 mircea_popescu an orwell of bedwetting is defined as that quantity of bedwetting sufficient to give a wilde of a woman a single white hair.
18:37 asciilifeform how much woman is in a wilde ?
18:38 mircea_popescu oscar.
18:38 asciilifeform iirc wilde didn't even fuck chix
18:38 mircea_popescu most women don't, similarly.
18:38 mircea_popescu but he's that measure that doesn't dare speak its name.
18:41 phf i dunno, i think you can blame mayakovsky for gulags
18:41 shinohai Supposed tally of Buttfinex hack: 119,756 BTC
18:43 mircea_popescu hey, if they can name a school/street/urinal a pushkin, what's to keep them from naming a gulag v maiakovski
18:43 phf he was really good at playing working class revolutionary, in the old tradition of "going native", just look at him https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3385/3635935907_817fa1e408.jpg. his whole style is that of мужицкий топор and he used his refined ear to play it very nicely, found it very surprising when the топор just kept chopping on its own
18:44 mircea_popescu wtf is topor mean in russian
18:44 phf axe
18:44 mircea_popescu hatchet in romanian, yeah. except there's also "om din topor" ie "man of the hatchet", which just means a crude fellow.
18:45 trinque shinohai: sauce?
18:47 shinohai trinque: this is why I said "supposed" http://archive.is/03EF0
18:48 shinohai Oh wait that's the Director of Community and Product Development for Bitfinex.
18:48 shinohai so decent sauce.
18:48 BingoBoingo related https://www.reddit.com/r/tardtales/comments/4p6tgb/rampagetard_hates_the_police/
18:48 BingoBoingo shinohai: archive and qntra it
18:48 phf mircea_popescu: "рубить", "топор" has a very nice sound to it in russian, which is that of something crude, rough, but also to the point. can string a few of those together with a lot of breaks and pauses to get a feeling of "honest" crudeness or somesuch
18:48 mircea_popescu aha
18:49 shinohai on it
18:49 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
18:49 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 527.31, vol: 14382.99936634 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.67, vol: 14666.60693 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 541.720348, vol: 191378.27510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.506, vol: 5492.57683242 | Volume-weighted last average: 539.334155823
18:51 mircea_popescu shinohai best remember to mention that these are the bitcoins they claimed to have but at never point throughout the run ever actually held.
18:52 mircea_popescu it's not unlikely hong kong announcing today someone hacked their geography made off with mainland china.
18:52 mircea_popescu not unlike*
18:53 shinohai Well they *were* in p2sh addresses
18:54 mircea_popescu heh.
18:55 BingoBoingo But for how many pee-2 shits?
18:55 mircea_popescu mucho inseguridad.
19:06 shinohai BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/1acl
19:07 mircea_popescu what's that make it for today, 5 ?
19:12 BingoBoingo 6
19:12 BingoBoingo Forgot the forgettable but obligatory diff change piece
19:13 mircea_popescu nb!
19:15 BingoBoingo June http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitfinex-fucks-up/
19:16 shinohai ^ probably preparatory run
19:17 deedbot [Qntra] Bitfinex Director Claims 119,756 Bitcoins Lost - http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-director-claims-119756-bitcoins-lost/
19:21 mircea_popescu "insurance that never existed doesn't cover loss of funds we never had"
19:21 mircea_popescu hurr.
19:23 shinohai xD
19:27 BingoBoingo lulz http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities/#comment-65904
19:29 BingoBoingo Not sure if spam or not
19:33 shinohai More lulz: "There were a number of security practices that were in place to make this the most secure, yet transparent way of securing funds and we used the company that prides itself and specializes in bitcoin storage. How these practices were bypassed, we're still investigating."
19:37 shinohai ;;later tell thestringpuller How 'bout that steem vs. ETC chart
19:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:43 deedbot [Trilema] Las Esquinas de Vidal (Cursos de Copulacion y Copizdacion a Domicilio) - http://trilema.com/2016/las-esquinas-de-vidal-cursos-de-copulacion-y-copizdacion-a-domicilio/
19:46 shinohai I read that sign as "Spammed Travel" mircea_popescu
19:47 mircea_popescu well yes ?
19:48 shinohai Also, I think I'd use doorknob and string before visiting a dentist in that building.
19:49 shinohai https://twitter.com/hanno/status/760622019700371456
19:50 mircea_popescu he's not getting out of it no fucking matter what posturing scheme he adopts.
20:00 BingoBoingo 72!!! https://archive.is/Ru6Lb
20:03 phf выходит маяковский из кабака, окруженный стайкой девиц. девицы начинают его охаживать: — владимир! а это правда, что вы можете сочинить стихотворение прямо с ходу, на месте? — конечно! — говорит подвыпивший поэт революции, — давайте тему! — ну, вот видите
20:03 phf идешь с блядями и иди! маяковский: — пойдемте, девушки, это есенин.
20:04 mircea_popescu "it's one of shaw's!"
20:06 phf more like "never mind, ladies, it's bernard"
20:07 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
20:07 gribble Current Blocks: 423397 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 1978 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
20:07 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
20:07 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 535.16, vol: 22232.29056002 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 540.09, vol: 21716.04224 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 533.661596, vol: 211301.67240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 533.625, vol: 7909.1321435 | Volume-weighted last average: 534.317560315
20:19 asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12213968 << further lelz
20:21 mod6 good evening
20:21 asciilifeform 'evening mod6
20:26 mod6 Peace in our ctime(); << i lul'd
20:26 asciilifeform aaalso apparently multisig is really a beautiful thing
20:26 asciilifeform and to be encouraged.
20:26 asciilifeform else idiots may get to keep their coinz
20:27 mod6 ^
20:30 ben_vulpes incoherent?
20:30 ben_vulpes INCOHERENT?!
20:32 mod6 "just imagine that these things don't exist. see, all better now!"
20:33 mod6 bad news? no problem.
20:33 * mod6 puts fingers in ears.
20:33 mod6 lalalalalalalalalala
20:35 mircea_popescu this is shaping up to being a pretty great autumn really.
20:35 mod6 ya!
20:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform see, there's wisdom in all things
20:36 mircea_popescu big and small
20:36 mircea_popescu MWAHAHAHAHA
20:36 mircea_popescu incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin.
20:36 mircea_popescu autumn of purges.
20:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly i don't comprehend why you entertain the tards above and beyond "honey, close your eyes and think of the empire", but each his own i guess.
20:38 mircea_popescu all this "you hurt your credibility" wanl
20:38 mircea_popescu wank*
20:38 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares what nobody on a stick's idea of anything is.
20:41 asciilifeform every so often i wrestle with the pig, old habit.
20:42 mircea_popescu i guess what i'm saying is that i admire your patience.
20:44 asciilifeform lolk
20:56 ben_vulpes so what actually happened with the multisig shits?
21:00 phf asciilifeform: just a reminder that this exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZodexUkiDI
21:03 asciilifeform phf: i rewatched it just a few yrs ago!
21:03 asciilifeform lovely thing.
21:03 shinohai http://archive.is/9ceV1 <<< so much for Telegram
21:03 phf i'm writing subs for girl, because official english translation is awful
21:04 asciilifeform phf: consider posting.
21:04 phf yeah, put that blog of mine to some use
21:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513152 << already covered in pinoy spew
21:06 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 19:24 asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4vu9qm/pgp_key_of_mahmood_khadeer_president_of_the << for further lulz.
21:11 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/08/furious-sheep.html << orlol suggests vote-by-rng.
21:13 mircea_popescu $up smef
21:13 deedbot smef voiced for 30 minutes.
21:13 mircea_popescu so i finally got around to watching that thai prince orgy video thing.
21:14 mircea_popescu holy shit these idiots! ITS A TOPLESS WOMAN AT A POOL PARTY!
21:14 asciilifeform i watched a few min, it was a snore, turned off
21:14 mircea_popescu the woman i sat down to watch it with was ALL NUDE! who the fuck cares omfg the tamest stht ever
21:14 mircea_popescu and to add insult to injury they do all sort of complicated ceremonial futzing around some catered looking cake prior to singing HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
21:14 mircea_popescu do these idiots not have a language or what the fuck is their problem already.
21:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that thing is almost a litmus test for anglo penetration
21:15 asciilifeform e.g., it was, last i knew, ~wholly absent from ru sphere
21:15 asciilifeform but ported to, say, spanish, long ago
21:15 mircea_popescu iirc ro upper crust still sings o tannenbaum at teh tree
21:16 asciilifeform it is almost as good a test as what colour winnie pooh is, in a given country
21:16 mircea_popescu colour ?
21:16 asciilifeform (the correct brown? or the jaundiced disney yellow)
21:16 mircea_popescu uh
21:16 mircea_popescu what is this ?
21:16 phf 40 seconds in, i switched from watching that video to watching an old soviet cartoon..
21:17 mircea_popescu anyway, if my dungeon videos ever leak there's going to be a ~100mn or so new cases of apoplexy that year ?
21:17 phf pretty much definition of "op didn't deliver"
21:17 asciilifeform http://hitgid.com/images/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%85-1.jpg << ru ; https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3c/ec/56/3cec563b4162de9d91d064a027388d9c.jpg << usa
21:17 mircea_popescu $up jodym
21:17 deedbot jodym voiced for 30 minutes.
21:17 shinohai https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/http://i.imgur.com/visQpcj.jpg <<< heh
21:17 phf it's ugh the Alaskan yellow bear
21:18 asciilifeform jaundice, cirrhosis, i say.
21:18 mircea_popescu lmao
21:18 asciilifeform should've laid off the whiskey.
21:18 mircea_popescu which one is this one again ?
21:18 mircea_popescu i can't place it.
21:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: illustrations to winnie pooh.
21:18 mircea_popescu shinohai oddly it says 0 views ?
21:19 mircea_popescu ah ok.
21:21 shinohai mircea_popescu: maybe they use the same metrics counter as twitter does.
21:22 mircea_popescu or maybe you're the uploader!!!1
21:22 phf !!!
21:22 gribble Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
21:22 shinohai lo
21:22 mircea_popescu !-!-!
21:22 gribble Error: "-!-!" is not a valid command.
21:22 phf !go-home-gribble-you're-drunk
21:22 gribble Error: "go-home-gribble-you're-drunk" is not a valid command.
21:24 shinohai Buttstamp: "We would like to reassure all customers that Bitstamp's implementation of multisig is fundamentally different from the one at Bitfinex"
21:31 asciilifeform '1. Take site offline and work on ensuring everything is secure. 2. communicate to users 3. contact chain analytic companies and authorities about the hack and trace the funds, look at ways to recover the funds. 4. Investigate exactly what happened to ensure that we're still not vulnerable. 5. Work on getting the site back up and running.'
21:32 asciilifeform ^ lelz
21:32 asciilifeform RECOVER!!!!1111
~ 41 minutes ~
22:13 asciilifeform in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract....
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22:13 asciilifeform ^ u.s. academy of sciences, whored out, fucked in openings sov academy did not even ~have~ drilled
22:14 asciilifeform ( original at http://cryptome.org/2016/08/nap-encryption-gov-access.pdf if anyone gives half a shit )
22:14 asciilifeform 'We wish to thank the following individuals for their review of these workshop proceedings:
22:14 asciilifeform - Dan Boneh, Stanford University
22:15 asciilifeform ...[bunch of other sad folk snipped]'
22:16 asciilifeform 'The Workshop on Encryption and Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext was convened on June 23-24, 2016, in Washington, D.C., under the auspices of the Computer Science and Telecommunications Board of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. The workshop was sponsored by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). ... The meeting was open to the public.'
22:16 asciilifeform ^ pity i missed this party
22:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform somehow rape's always followed by asking for seconds.
22:22 asciilifeform spoiler: in the massive turd, usg functionaries propose to rebrand ye olde key escrow as 'multisig' and mandate! 'k of n' !
22:22 mircea_popescu heh
22:22 mircea_popescu i'm sure that'll work!
22:22 asciilifeform ^ in case anyone ever had whatever doubt as to the meaning and purpose of multisigification of whatever sort.
22:25 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> incidentally BingoBoingo : it ~would~ be fair to say that the bitfinex failure as presented by bitfinex amounts exactly to a major failure of the dao as meagrely implemented in bitcoin. << Indeed, as presented
22:28 asciilifeform 'Given the difficulty of opening a post-iOS 8 phone or a similarly protected device, investigators are now forced to turn to other methods. Kerr pointed to a case in the Third Circuit Court of Appeals of a former police officer allegedly dealing in child pornography who would not divulge his computer passcode; he is currently being detained with no clear end date. Kerr noted that it is quite possible for someone to withhold a passcod
22:28 asciilifeform e purposefully, but it is also possible for someone to genuinely forget it, and this is left to a judge to decide. If “failure to decrypt your device” leads to indefinite jail time, Kerr asked, is that an outcome we are willing to accept?' << mega-l0l
22:28 asciilifeform 'support escrow or risk COKE MACHINE!1111'
22:28 asciilifeform 'ya wouldn't wanna end up in one BY ACCIDENT WOULDJA'
22:29 mircea_popescu how about "if you lack the authority to detain people indefinitely THEREFORE you lack the authority to engage in any behaviour that may lead to it, including trying to prosecute this nonsense"
22:29 mircea_popescu somehow a plain reading is never within the purview of militant idiocy.
22:29 asciilifeform the reading that suggests great inca is not sovereign over earth, fire, air and water, is never the preferred reading, no
22:30 asciilifeform it can only be read to him by other folks, in the only language he understands.
22:31 mircea_popescu alternatively simply is not invited, can go on about his nonsense in his mom's basement while that lasts.
22:31 asciilifeform very british/tolkienian view, this
22:32 asciilifeform 'hitler/sauron can go on doing his thing in his mother's basement, what do we care'
22:33 mircea_popescu any time this "hitler" grows a pair, he can come over and we can have a chat.
22:34 asciilifeform would have to grow a central nervous system first, neh ?
22:34 asciilifeform can chat with amoeba ?
22:34 asciilifeform or with slime mold ?
22:34 mircea_popescu what can i tell you, until and unless kid is actually visible in the world nobody can interact with him,
22:35 mircea_popescu hence the appeal of derpy "proceedings"
22:35 asciilifeform the mold in my old bathroom begged to differ
22:37 mircea_popescu in other news whoa check out alf's reddit account.
22:37 mircea_popescu looks like it's enough to buy russia yo!
22:37 asciilifeform lel
22:37 asciilifeform it dates to the days when dinosaurs walked, when reddit was ~readable
22:38 BingoBoingo $b 4
22:38 asciilifeform and every third article was about broken common lisps etc
22:38 asciilifeform ~decade ago.
22:38 mircea_popescu i thought back when it was voat.co reddit mostly did kiddie porn.
22:39 asciilifeform i have pretty much nfi what happened after 2008 or so.
22:39 mircea_popescu no this'd be 2005 or so.
22:39 asciilifeform it opened, iirc, in '05.
22:39 mircea_popescu right.
22:39 asciilifeform was ~readable until early '07 or so.
22:40 mircea_popescu btw : the muslims actually do the whole chain thing. point in case : "Nabil Received five Ijazas/certificate from several respected scholars in Egypt. He has an Ijaza with an authentic, short chain of 26 from him to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be upon Him)."
22:40 mircea_popescu $up forgotmypw
22:40 deedbot forgotmypw voiced for 30 minutes.
22:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lel, as per https://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu
22:42 BingoBoingo Continued from previous two days https://archive.is/Y2eSu
22:42 mircea_popescu aha
22:44 asciilifeform 'Not every wiretap request is granted. Only 313 federal wiretaps were installed in 2014, far fewer than the number requested, Landau pointed out. Each one costs the federal government about $41,000, most of which is spent on “minimization”—that is, someone to monitor the wiretap and assess its content.' << lulzy: the universal dragnet thing dun count, evidently, as 'wiretap'
22:44 asciilifeform it counts as 'stfu terrorist'
22:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nfi what this is ?
22:44 asciilifeform $up fromphuctor
22:44 deedbot fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
22:45 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The daily hate?
22:45 asciilifeform do their cocks also work this way ?
22:45 mircea_popescu complex thing.
22:46 BingoBoingo Their cocks like their wiretaps require their toilet grabber
22:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform two points here being that a) the "global dragnet" is much more difficult to use than you imagine ; and much less productive, being more of a prestige item than a tool of any sort ; b) they're discussing a specific item. if i ask you how many stovetops you have in your house you wouldn't count the roof, notwithstanding the sun heating it is, energetically, more significant.
22:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i was speaking of the 'fromphuctor's.
22:47 BingoBoingo Well of what else?
22:48 BingoBoingo It is all disabilitit
22:49 forgotmypw thank you
22:53 asciilifeform 'Despite a great deal of mathematical work in this field, there is still no general theory of cryptography, Blaze posited. He called this “one of the dirty secrets of cryptography.”'
22:54 mircea_popescu hey, same is true of physics.
22:54 mircea_popescu also missing, the great american novel. as well as a dictionary of the french language.
22:58 mircea_popescu incidentally, the curious amateur historian may be well served by a review of the 2nd anglo-dutch war. some underlined parts : the anglos were deeply overextended politically - their crummy country consisting of one single town and a bunch of retarded peasants ; while the republic had many more merchants, with lots more money. in practice this meant that the english could pay for one ship where the dutch could afford seven ;
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22:58 mircea_popescu but obviously the english ordered ships they couldn't possibly pay for and called this "a cash problem". to be resolved by privateers - except the dutch privateers were both better and more productive.
22:59 mircea_popescu then they induced the bishop of munster, a sort of medieval thug, to invade the republic, under promise of "large subsidies". those subsidies never materialized, being promised by the broke-ass anglos as they were ; brandenburg moved in from the east and the naive turk uh i mean bishop of munster was forced to a rather disfavourable peace for his trouble / idiotic naivity.
22:59 mircea_popescu meanwhile charles keep trying to make peaces with the republic, by offering vague nothings.
23:00 mircea_popescu but they also drew up plans for overthrowing the republic's government, in a very muchly amusing color revolution (the future english king was to come from the house of Orange, you realise!)
23:00 mircea_popescu they were ~accidentally~ supplied to de witt in a pile of other documents. which resulted in some beheadings.
23:01 mircea_popescu altogether a funny thing, especially in the sense that these idiots learned ~nothing in five centuries.
23:05 asciilifeform $up fabio__
23:05 deedbot fabio__ voiced for 30 minutes.
23:05 fabio__ hi guys, I came across http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq this morning.
23:05 fabio__ number one on the faq has a bit saying replacing RSA with ECC is not a good idea:
23:05 fabio__ "Part of their efforts is the push towards Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) to replace RSA, in spite of obvious mathematical weaknesses in this proposition.
23:05 fabio__ There has been quite a bit of noise about ECC NIST curves (nistp256, nistp384, nistp521) being tampered with by the NSA. I thought using ECC was all good if you don't use the NIST curves and instead use community approved curves like Curve25519 and Curve1174 by like DJB and friends, or other approved ones at https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/.
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23:05 fabio__ So what does the nsl faq mean, are the obvious mathematical weaknesses the NIST curves or some other issue with ECC as compared to RSA?
23:05 mircea_popescu what is your idea of a "community" ?
23:06 mircea_popescu ethereum forked by "agreement of the community", does the result satisfy your expectations, for instance ?
23:07 asciilifeform fabio__: the cryptographic side of the question is two-pronged. there is a set of 1) questionable actors making 2) questionable claims (e.g., of equivalence of n-bit ecc with m-bit rsa, n<m) with zero public substantiation
23:07 mircea_popescu the republic doesn't, nor does any lord that i know of, recommend using ecc in any serious capacity. that's the community. otherwise, if you wish to say "i trust djb and whatever he says i'll take" this is fine, but it's a matter of personal investment not "community" nonsense.
23:09 fabio__ ok, I didn't realise there was not a consensus.
23:10 mircea_popescu be wary of consensi generally, for it rarely is more than a device in late night tv commercials.
23:10 fabio__ people are rolling it out, openssh has supported it since 2014 i think. one of the openssl devs was asking for code to merge
23:11 fabio__ ok
23:11 mircea_popescu openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand.
23:11 BingoBoingo $up forgotmypw
23:11 deedbot forgotmypw voiced for 30 minutes.
23:11 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> openssh is a scandalous piece of trojan work, on the other hand. << OpenSSL is, OpenSSH is collateral damage
23:11 mircea_popescu they support anything and everything but sound cryptography, proper rng etc.
23:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hey, somehow they didn't miss out implementing utf, they just neglected to check their crypto code. great set of priorities there.
23:12 BingoBoingo BUT THEY LIStenED TO COMMUNITAH!?
23:13 mircea_popescu oh, sorry, was there a consensus ?
23:13 BingoBoingo WHo could tell over the noise, twas a voice vote!
23:14 fabio__ so in reference to #1 is DJB questionable?
23:14 mircea_popescu as far as i know the fellow's quite respectable.
23:15 BingoBoingo But until he registers a key and bros out here questionable in his respectability as he lacks a declaration of allegiance.
23:15 mircea_popescu $gettrust fabio__
23:15 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
23:15 mircea_popescu no idea that HE would care about that though.
23:15 fabio__ and in reference to #2 the point of contention is equivalent strength with RSA for a given bitlength?
23:15 asciilifeform djb is respectable and talented, but labours under certain faustian bargains as part of his employ.
23:16 mircea_popescu fabio__ you don't specifically know whether and which curves may be surprisingly weak. community consensus can't fix this.
23:16 mircea_popescu in general when dealing with snake oil, and cryptography currently is indistinguishable from such, is to take the simplest form.
23:16 asciilifeform one of these bargains is that you cannot build a career as a university academic with 'use rsa, kthx, bye'
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23:16 mircea_popescu there's nothing simpler than rsa ; ecc certainly doesn't meet that qual.
23:17 asciilifeform the claim of equivalence is wholly spurious because no difficulty proof of whatever kind exists for either system.
23:17 fabio__ so ECC is new and still unproven, wereas RSA is well understood and a safer bet
23:17 mircea_popescu if nothing else, it's simpler.
23:17 asciilifeform or, for that matter, for ANY cryptosystem other than vernam.
23:18 fabio__ right, I'm with you.
23:19 asciilifeform ergo, the folks offering said 'equivalence' has same credibility as, e.g., 'herbal viagra' spammers
23:19 asciilifeform i, for one, do not care how many degrees, and from what rotten institutions, such a swindler has.
23:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474766 << see also thread.
23:21 a111 Logged on 2016-06-01 17:42 asciilifeform: and point of thread was 'no one has shown with any degree of rigour whatsoever, ~how~ hard'
23:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aaaaaaaaaaand it's 'flagged' (gone) on hn.
23:23 mircea_popescu aww.
23:23 asciilifeform impressive endurance record.
23:23 asciilifeform going strong, however, on tarditt, with buncha shannonized pinoy comments
23:23 asciilifeform different strokes, for different folkz or sumthing
23:24 mircea_popescu gawker has spooked conde nast.
23:24 mircea_popescu the ycombinator derps on the other hand have ~nothing to lose.
23:25 asciilifeform or simply differing approaches. 'problem' posed: 'someone shat in my garden.' hn algo: 'burn with flamethrower, shoot witnesses' reddit algo: 'empty honeywagon on top of it, have whole platoon drop trou and take a shit in turn on it for good measure'
23:25 mircea_popescu sort of the roger ver of the "online business" world.
23:26 asciilifeform i dun get it, what does either of these 'have to lose'
23:26 asciilifeform the 'neverhappened' curtain is airtight
23:27 asciilifeform even the various so-called 'independent' 'security blogger' types won't touch phuctor
23:27 asciilifeform (i wrote to a few)
23:27 mircea_popescu you were here when tiny boo boo exploded into gawker bankruptcy followed by nick denton personal bankruptcy soonish to be followed by actual imprisonment over lying to judges etc ?
23:27 asciilifeform that was actually funded, with actual money
23:27 asciilifeform by a registered lizard
23:27 mircea_popescu the exact same thing COULD happen to bob sauerberg. tomorrow.
23:28 mircea_popescu bob would much rather sleep at home.
23:28 asciilifeform wake me up when paul graham
23:28 asciilifeform i would like to buy ticket, to watch him stuffed into the paddy
23:28 mircea_popescu unlike bob, nobody on a stick and sam altman own nothing, and have nothing to lose. they sleep in ~prison / airbnb as it is.
23:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is conflating the sc4mz0rs with their chumps
23:34 asciilifeform pg, altman, et al laughed all the way to the bank
23:35 BingoBoingo So did Denton.
23:48 asciilifeform $up fabio__
23:48 deedbot fabio__ voiced for 30 minutes.
23:48 fabio__ hi again
23:49 fabio__ so one final question, at what point would you guys consider ECC to be useable? 5 years of field with no reported issues?
23:49 asciilifeform fabio__: not how it works.
23:50 fabio__ how does it work?
23:50 asciilifeform well, for starters, i'd like a compelling reason to even ~entertain~ ecc in the first place.
23:51 asciilifeform (its appearance in bitcoin is, contrary to popular delusion, not a reason)
23:53 asciilifeform the burden of proof is one the folks proposing to replace a simple system with few moving parts (rsa) with a larger and gnarlier item
23:53 asciilifeform not vice-versa.
23:53 asciilifeform *on the
23:54 fabio__ ok
23:54 fabio__ well, thanks for talking the time to answer my questions
23:55 asciilifeform fabio__: it is helpful to understand that cryptographic breaks are quite unlike ANY other type of engineering failure.
23:56 asciilifeform if a bridge collapses, or reactor melts down, you will know it
23:56 asciilifeform and if not you, personally, the corpse, then - onlookers
23:56 asciilifeform in a crypto break, you, your family, the onlookers, everyone you give half a shit about - can be corpses, for 25 years, and ~not know~
23:57 asciilifeform all of your doings will 'mysteriously' come to nought, folks will say 'bad luck' etc.
23:58 asciilifeform ever play, e.g., sid meier's 'civ 1' ?
23:58 asciilifeform or any of the other strategy gamez where the computer 'cheated'
23:58 asciilifeform (looked at the player's 'cards')
23:58 fabio__ yep. a little
23:58 asciilifeform so then.
23:59 asciilifeform or consider, e.g., admiral yamamoto.
23:59 asciilifeform when enemy is perenially 'one step ahead', and 'no one knows why.'
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