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00:14 mod6 BingoBoingo: thanks for linking http://trilema.com/2015/btmsr-and-fundamental-justice-reform/
00:19 BingoBoingo yw
00:23 mod6 (which also links gpg-contracts; required reading)
~ 38 minutes ~
01:02 pete_dushenski http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-absolutely-looking-at-breaking-up-9th-circuit-court-of-appeals/article/2621379 <--> http://qntra.net/2017/02/9th-circuit-refuses-to-reject-order-staying-trump-executive-action/
~ 5 hours 4 minutes ~
06:07 Framedragger special delivery for asciilifeform's barf collection: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14209897 (this comment)
~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~
07:08 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9126CEFDBE6D3D04B277D15BFB9C3C252A66A5719D25500191324224585BEEF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9114393414333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.92.112.65 (ssh-rsa key from 91.92.112.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (. BG)
~ 1 hours 26 minutes ~
08:35 asciilifeform Framedragger: snoar
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09:45 asciilifeform in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease'
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09:46 asciilifeform 'He recruited a former hedge fund salesman named Kyle Ferguson as co-founder and launched Wags Lending, thinking dog leases would mark just the first step in a vertically integrated pet-financing company that would eventually include food deliveries, chew-toy subscriptions, and veterinary loans. Then their point-of-sale lease financing became a hit, and they decided to double down on it.'
09:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648419 >> lol rank nonsense. the left is willing to talk about how it's just as good as the right.
09:59 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 03:50 trinque: far cry from that guy's "the left is willing to crack heads, unlike the right"
10:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648429 << somehow they're married to this idea that people will continue interacting with the apes. i have no idea why this is so deeply entrenched, but let's just say it's entirely nonsense.
10:03 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 13:45 asciilifeform: in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease'
10:03 mircea_popescu the world of the future is, girl hopes to be taken in by someone 3 links removed from a lord, and the boy is euthanised at birth.
10:06 * mircea_popescu also likes BingoBoingo tax piece. he's shaped himself into quite the gazette's editor, hasn't he!
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10:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647833 << aaand it's gone. every day since last year, two day absence since april 25th. idjits.
10:21 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 15:58 asciilifeform: aah lolk
10:22 mircea_popescu it all goes back again and again AND AGAIN to that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648191 piece.
10:22 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 23:44 mircea_popescu: "My own experience here is depressing – nobody, not even the smartest folks, is willing to read anything unless they came specifically to read. If they came for any other purpose, forget it. When you're a tutorial, you can tell things to people and they listen. When you're an error message, people read you to the extent necessary to make you go away but no further. And when you're a warning, people simply ignore you. It suc
10:22 mircea_popescu "modern mind does not wish to take action until something hurts and does not agree anything is allowed to hurt it"
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10:41 mod6 mornin'
10:43 mircea_popescu heya
10:43 mircea_popescu how's teh morning find ya mod6
10:43 mod6 ah good, slept well for the first time in what seems like weeks.
10:44 mircea_popescu good for youy
10:44 mod6 how's everything goin for you?
10:44 mod6 (fun fact, it's snowing here... ever-so-slightly)
10:45 mircea_popescu in april ?!
10:45 mircea_popescu eh, im just prepping up a new article.
10:47 mod6 ah nice.
10:47 mod6 yeah, it happens sometimes. april, lot of precip, sometimes gets cold enough.
10:47 mod6 i've seen it snow on June 1st here few years ago.
10:49 mircea_popescu i last saw snow like five years ago
10:50 mod6 It's one of those things, kinda neat/pretty, but a huge PITA for driving and other activities.
10:51 mircea_popescu i bet.
11:03 mircea_popescu Framedragger so how do i get the interval set up in your logotron ? i clicked on a date and got the #34 added. but the dot is not clickable so i can't close the interval. wut do ?
11:05 mircea_popescu i guess i reconstructed the http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170427/from:34/to:46#34 format on the basis of logs.
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11:05 scriba Logged on 2017-04-27: [02:14:22] * mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ?
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11:21 * lobbes is looking forward to this latest trilema
11:22 lobbes I wonder if CR businezz schools also force their students to take 'environmental responsibility' courses like in usia
11:25 mircea_popescu i expect the cr business ~students~ insist, because by the looks of them they REALLY need the easy credits.
11:27 mircea_popescu in my experience there's two major demographics interested in the business school, one being kids who could master physics but do not wish to because they'd much rather live with a half dozen whores than with a labful of mice ; the other being girlies who could not actually master poledance who figure they should not have to try anwyay and live out their whole lives as mediocre strippers because reasons ("i'm smart! everyone
11:27 mircea_popescu tells me so!").
11:27 mircea_popescu their relative interplay describes exceedingly well the degree of rot in the society the business school represents : if the girls are submissive and very warmly and wetly thankful for being allowed to go there it's type A, if they figure they run the place it's type B.
11:28 mircea_popescu the distinction can readily be made on whether it is acceptable or not acceptable to "not be good with numbers", for which the "responsibility" courses are a great proxy.
11:30 mircea_popescu seeing how the only graduation paper i reviewed was "entrepreneurship as a succession of pictures of faces" as opposed to "entrepreneurship modeled as a banach algebra"...
11:31 asciilifeform eh the banach folx still produced goldman sachs, rather than honest commerce.
11:32 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/mathilde-the-ant-or-mathilde-the-data-processing-system-at-your-option-with-extras-either-way/ << Trilema - Mathilde the ant or Mathilde the Data Processing System, at your option. With extras either way.
11:33 asciilifeform in recent comedic gold : https://archive.is/WGZLN << 'knifeman'
11:34 mircea_popescu nevertheless.
11:35 mircea_popescu lmao england is such a shit hole these days
11:39 mircea_popescu anyway, re the earlier point - there's a very strong line dividing the case where "your idea will never work, but you can have an A anyway" because obviously you can't write a functional description of business but nevertheless that should not stop you from trying ; and "your idea if you can call it that means you can never get anything other than an F no matter what you do", because apparently you separated from human cultur
11:39 mircea_popescu e sometime around preschool.
11:40 mircea_popescu i don't so much care whether the goldman sachs attempt worked or didn't work. i very much care that juju worship be socially unacceptable.
11:40 mircea_popescu ie, the "results-oriented culture" applies strictly to a subset of possible things. you'll compare two doctors on the basis of whether their techniques work, but a shaman is not included nor can be included in the proceedings.
11:42 mircea_popescu and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui.
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11:42 asciilifeform granted asciilifeform is not a pro voodoo priest, but imho, e.g., black–scholes, or the 'standard model' of physics, are equally 'juju', and equally divorced from physical reality, and far more destructively so than some orc derp praying to a moloch made from old tin cans in some mournful shithole
11:44 asciilifeform the basic sin of the orc and 'human' jujuist are the same. just as, e.g., murder committed with a wooden club is exactly as murderous as with death ray; or scam pulled with 'shell game' is just as scammy as with derivatives.
11:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why the difference between physicist and physiciatrian is currently made by ~how~ they introduce the models.
11:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648477 << i dun think this 'equality' nonsense exists, or ever existed, as anything other than a ~professed~ belief among the rotters. nobody actually buys it.
11:46 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 15:42 mircea_popescu: and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui.
11:46 mircea_popescu fat african women buy it.
11:46 asciilifeform even lowliest 'redditor' looks down at what he thinks are the yet-scummier redditus.
11:46 mircea_popescu always have. that's the backbone of africa, culturally.
11:47 asciilifeform 'fat african women' are as american as crapple.
11:47 mircea_popescu and, of course, anal children secrete it naturally, like harlequinism victims secrete chitin plates.
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever been to africa ?
11:47 asciilifeform can't say that i have, or desperately burning with urgency to.
11:48 mircea_popescu then on what scent did you train your heuristicdog!
11:48 asciilifeform ( and become mircea_popescu proceeds to recall his egypt -- egypt is not anthropological africa... )
11:48 mircea_popescu (harlequinism ie harlequin-type ichthyosis, a frightening disease of the body mirroring the sad state of anal child's mind)
11:48 asciilifeform i haven't yet been to pripyat, either; or to fukushima; or to st. quentin prison; etc.
11:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure that barnum had an ichthyosis sufferer in his lineup
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you need something to judge on. otherwise what you're saying is "on the basis of all the dogs i've seen, elephant is as canine as caniche", ie, http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#footnote_10_71892
11:49 asciilifeform ( the barnum circus co, incidentally, apparently is closing down for good, quite soon. )
11:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who, in historic africa, was fat ?
11:50 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu can 'aristotelize' from elementary principles, why not asciilifeform .
11:50 mircea_popescu old women.
11:51 asciilifeform i dunno that i've ever even seen, with own eyes, a ~fat~ old woman.
11:51 asciilifeform from africa, or from antarctica, any.
11:51 mircea_popescu and since we're on this : egypt is, for the arab world, a sort of holywood/bolywood. it is where the official tv arabic is spoken on the street, and it is where every flea bitten hussy aims to go. fulla sudanese hotties just like burbank is fulla kansas ra ra fuck ma a'.
11:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform really ?!
11:52 asciilifeform rly
11:52 asciilifeform dun prove anything, either way. if mircea_popescu tells me that they exist -- i'ma believe.
11:52 * mircea_popescu had recently pic of african shaman fatties on the very trilema.
11:52 asciilifeform hm
11:53 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_healers_of_South_Africa#/media/File:Five-sangomas.jpg
11:53 mircea_popescu notice similarity to famous prehistoric fat woman statuette ?
11:54 asciilifeform these dun look old tho
11:54 mircea_popescu would you describe them as "young women" ie "girls" ?
11:54 asciilifeform hard to say, too far departed from what i see as human form
11:54 mircea_popescu then what's left ?
11:54 asciilifeform ( can you say from photo old 'elephant man', how old he was in photo! )
11:55 mircea_popescu the "old" in "old woman" does not describe the physical woman in question. it describes her chances of successful interaction with the lordship.
11:55 mircea_popescu just like "expensive car" does not mean something about the car.
11:55 asciilifeform aaah lolk
11:56 mircea_popescu it says something about the context in which the car finds itself ~whether it wants to or not~.
11:57 mircea_popescu "old woman" == "female sapiens expected to have found her master prior to the moment of speech".
12:02 asciilifeform https://archive.is/ud0nd << in other lulz
12:03 asciilifeform ^ the tardano makers -- never sleep!111
12:03 asciilifeform 'Now, as soon as I looked at this device I already had a really bad feeling. First of all, through the vent holes on the top I could see that the PCB inside took up ~25% of the footprint of the device, the case was considerably larger than the PCB inside it, which seemed odd. Second, the MAC address on the bottom looked familiar, really familiar. Putting that little thought to the back of my mind I cracked open the case by removing t
12:03 asciilifeform he standard screws in the bottom to confirm my initial suspicion.'
12:05 mircea_popescu lol
12:06 asciilifeform embedded bonus lol:
12:06 asciilifeform 'This is great news, I can't send emails from my new super awesome secure email server to anyone with a Microsoft email account because they just return it. The story is pretty similar across the board with the email either being returned or put straight in the spam folder of the recipient. I tried against GMail and a few other large providers and found that not one of them made it to the inbox anywhere. After I got a few emails boun
12:06 asciilifeform ced I thought I'd check to see if my IP had been flagged yet and to my surprise it had already been placed on 3 blacklists!'
12:06 asciilifeform ^ fact. ( recall the original jwz thread ? )
12:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform shoot the guy an email ?
12:06 mircea_popescu he has an encrypt form on his contact page even.
12:07 mircea_popescu phuctor even has his key.
12:07 asciilifeform what to tell him ?
12:08 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform is currently batting 0/N ... )
12:08 mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB9212AFDE64632A2384BB28467A4FAD3239E180B3652C3846711A145B03C768
12:08 asciilifeform i'ma quite willing to try tho
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ask if he wants to check out the FUCKGOATS
12:08 asciilifeform aite.
12:08 mircea_popescu i figure we can afford a test unit for some dude you read.
12:08 asciilifeform fwiw i read him today for first time.
12:08 asciilifeform but sure.
12:09 mircea_popescu hey, he got mentioned in the most serene republic's forum, no backsies.
12:10 mircea_popescu "Because the device is just a Raspberry Pi under the hood that made taking a backup really easy. I simply popped out the Micro SD card and put it in my card reader and used Win32DiskImager to take a full clone of the card." in other lulz.
12:12 mircea_popescu lol "super secure email of the future" runs not just dovecot, but also php and mysql for good measure.
12:14 mircea_popescu o further gems : function generate_setup_password_salt() { $salt = time() . '*' . $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] . '*' . mt_rand(0,60000); $salt = md5($salt); return $salt; :D
12:15 mircea_popescu ahahaha SUPPORTS GO-DADDY domains ONLY!
12:17 mircea_popescu in order to... use it as ddns!
12:18 asciilifeform sooo i wrote to him.
12:19 mircea_popescu create-handshake.php!
12:22 mircea_popescu lol undocumented admin account. this shit's pretty epic.
12:26 mircea_popescu !~google shawn@digiland.com
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12:26 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Digiland tablet ( Cell Phones ) in San Jacinto, CA - OfferUp: <https://offerup.com/item/detail/217205700/>; nomx: The world's most secure communications protocol - Scott Helme: <https://scotthelme.co.uk/nomx-the-worlds-most-secure-communications-protocol/>; How-To: Root TIANSHI DIGI-LAND DL1010Q a1008l_v1.4 4.4.2: <https://www.oneclickroot.com/root/tianshi-digi-land-dl1010q-a1008l_v1-
12:26 mircea_popescu lmao
12:28 mircea_popescu www.digiland.com is a (very inept) isp. digiland.com does not resolve.
12:28 mircea_popescu this goes DIRECTLY into the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646882
12:28 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 17:14 mircea_popescu: just make a fucking isp, that's not run by a moron and consequently ahead of 90% of the pack.
12:30 mircea_popescu o look, sam@sambarrow.com, shawn's boss, thinks they "have a position open at their local indianapolis branchg of midwestern technology"-- for a middle manager, no less. also thinks he's not in need of full time employment.
12:31 mircea_popescu also looking for, "partners for SaaS projects to provide insight and marketing efforts while we provide the technical backend"
12:31 mircea_popescu fancy that wonder, technical back-end for saas from the raspberri-pi-in-a-pizza-box experts.
12:32 mircea_popescu "Freelance IT Work. I am open for freelance work. Note that I have a project minimum of $5,000 and a minimum monthly hosting and maintenance fee of $250. Anything less I can still help through one of my companies."
12:32 mircea_popescu shit this has been entertaining. thank you asciilifeform for this satchel of c-gold.
12:33 asciilifeform gotta love the by-now-regular 'low effort'(tm)(r) 'i'll take a raspi and put shitinux on it and...' folx
12:33 mircea_popescu "Testimonials. Mr. Barrow provided the Marine Executive Association with WordPress modules that surpassed our expectations. His support, expertise and timeliness in PHP and WordPress were well worth his fees. I'd recommend him without reservation! - Will Donalson, HCI"
12:34 mircea_popescu holy shit, the midwest is a whole differtent game. what the fuck, nation of Fargo ?
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform put nothing, it came with raspbian, the ubuntu flavour of the thing.
12:34 asciilifeform even better
12:35 mircea_popescu i guess someone should send sam an offer to make two bitcents showing us his tits ?
12:35 asciilifeform ew
12:35 shinohai I'll give him Rock Chalk instead
12:35 mircea_popescu lol
12:35 mircea_popescu but DUDE MANAGES A PORTOFOLIO!!11 of rental properties in indianapolis!
12:36 mircea_popescu and also buys houses as-is!
12:36 mircea_popescu he's totally like a businessman and everything, if we run into each other at some party he's totally going to try and save one of my slavegirls.
12:36 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://nsacardano.com
12:37 mircea_popescu o.O
12:37 asciilifeform i've nfi !
12:37 mircea_popescu is maintenance mode a good thing ?
12:37 asciilifeform goddady, incidentally.
12:38 asciilifeform re: last thread, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zLzp6/?raw=true << got this in plaintext.
12:38 mircea_popescu is this the guy above ?
12:38 asciilifeform ( i offered him a review unit, and pointer to come here )
12:38 asciilifeform aha, author of linked piece
12:38 mircea_popescu well, can't blame him, i expect bbc-whatever actually pays to have that shit looked at.
12:38 asciilifeform ( not of 'nsacardano', that genius is yet-unknown to us )
12:39 asciilifeform google cache has http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F7L1IaMZPeoJ:nsacardano.com/contact/+&cd=28&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us gold tho
12:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski ^ has a fan apparently
12:39 asciilifeform https://archive.is/BfJks << snapshot
12:39 mircea_popescu oh oh. no, no, he actually told me about this.
12:39 asciilifeform aaaa
12:39 asciilifeform lol!!
12:40 asciilifeform hey pete_dushenski -- sold any?
12:40 * asciilifeform mentally classified the find with the ~last~ set of 'cardano betting site', etc
12:41 mircea_popescu the discussion went something like : "i am affraid though the name may put people off, how fixated are you" "i don't specifically care" "oh here's this website i made" "dude, why the fuck are you making websites, go talk to people".
12:41 mircea_popescu which is probably when it went into maint mode.
12:41 asciilifeform lolk
12:41 asciilifeform fwiw it dun have the name printed on it. can resell as whatever you like, folx.
12:42 trinque has the bunghole stretch tho!
12:42 mircea_popescu only the wise will recognise.
12:42 trinque you shall know them by their recognition of the sign.
12:42 mircea_popescu imo this is great for buttcoin -- let people use that dun know what they're using. what's the empire excel at if noit this ?
12:43 shinohai I'll sell them as MIGs - Magical Integer Generators
12:43 mircea_popescu hopefully some bright russian entrepreneur finds a way to call them PIZDA
12:44 trinque tell people they're "Raspberry USB Heatsinks", sell loads
12:45 mircea_popescu incidentally, FG could plug directly into raspberry give it true rng, huh ?
12:45 asciilifeform into pdp8 if you like
12:45 mircea_popescu these together mounted on say quadcopter suddenly are rather dangerous. for one thing, no way to intercept its comms anymore.
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12:45 asciilifeform anything that can receive serial @115200 baud, 8,N,1
12:46 asciilifeform waiwat
12:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform true freqhopping!
12:46 asciilifeform and what on other end ?
12:46 asciilifeform or is this a 'write only memory' genius invention.
12:47 mircea_popescu other end ALSO raspi!
12:47 mircea_popescu see ? it goes from ground tether to no tether.
12:49 asciilifeform lol
12:49 asciilifeform don't settle for small change, either, power with polywell fusor.
12:50 mircea_popescu looky, the transport layer (ie, encrypted comms) and the radio layer are separable. similarily, the power and the comms layer. yes it'll still need to get power (somehow, which may be from ground), but the fact that it no longer depends on ground for its freq hopping is important on its own.
12:52 trinque also, while turds, can be bought for cash in stores.
12:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: frequency hopping is a solved problem in 1980s, you use blum-blum-shub (or variant) if using public key crypto; or same otp as for everything else, if otp.
12:54 mircea_popescu yes you have the traditional model where quad talks to computer, and computer says "your next freq is X and encrypt to key Y" and it's all fine. but now quad can talk to quad, and pick an X just as good as computer'd have picked it. yes this is worthless if Y is weak anyway -- but if Y is not weak anyway it is in fact valuable, even if it might be irrelevant for arbitrary usecase Z
12:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you still have to pick an X. if machine has no RNG, its picking of X will be weak.
12:54 asciilifeform ah for ephemeral key gen.
12:54 asciilifeform yes.
12:55 * asciilifeform sees what mircea_popescu meant.
12:56 mircea_popescu FG allows airborne unit to be as qualified at X picking as ground unit is.
12:56 mircea_popescu lel that last line got delayed a coupla minutes
12:56 asciilifeform https://securitysnakeoil.org << from helme's comments page. lulzcollection.
12:58 asciilifeform 'As one person put it to me: MyDataAngel believes that they’re the “founding fathers” of truly-secure encryption. If you have a problem with this, then you must hate America. '
12:58 asciilifeform didjaknow.
12:58 mircea_popescu lolk
12:58 mircea_popescu does this count as plagiarizing tmsr rhetoric or notrly ?
12:59 asciilifeform https://securitysnakeoil.org/2016/05/17/mydataangel-com-is-not-new-and-is-an-outright-scam << quite reminiscent of, e.g., bfl.
13:00 mircea_popescu "The only good thing I can say about this product is that it does not create an MX record for your domain, upholding the "no MX" in the name. I've no idea why not having an MX record for your domain is a good thing, but, it doesn't create one nonetheless. The python script that runs every 15 minutes only adds A records for mail and localmail, nothing else. Interestingly, the GoDaddy API client that they use doesn't support MX
13:00 mircea_popescu records anyway, so I'm not sure if it was built around that limitation or it was a happy coincidence." << holy shit the "built around" theory really sounds pervasive dunnit ?
13:00 mircea_popescu the bill gates legacy, a generation of build-arouind "engineers"
13:01 mircea_popescu all the "philanthropy" in christendom can not wipe away that shitstain.
13:01 shinohai BitcoinUnlimited hashrate following yesterday's revelations: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-bxfC5UQAALxJ0.jpg
13:02 asciilifeform shinohai: which revelation
13:02 mircea_popescu aaaawww. is this good for fiatcoin ?
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform antbleed i gather.
13:02 shinohai asciilifeform: antbleed
13:02 asciilifeform lol
13:02 mircea_popescu the whole "bitcoin unlimited" thing was a chinese dorks pet project.,
13:02 asciilifeform lul, whole thing powered by diddled miners?!
13:03 mircea_popescu just like the other whole thing.
13:03 mircea_popescu there's no honest man in that game.
13:03 asciilifeform iirc 'other whole thing' wasn't powered by much of anything
13:03 mircea_popescu even so.
13:04 asciilifeform https://securitysnakeoil.org/2016/06/04/kickstop-the-blind-ego << gotta take some sort of prize.
13:04 asciilifeform 'The advertised unit is a keychain that plugs in through the headphone jack of a mobile device, meant to interact closed-source app to provide impenetrable crypto. This crypto is said to use a one-time pad (OTP) system. The design, photos, prototype, and social networking vibe feel all too similar to the vaporware you’d expect a San Francisco based startup of 5 college students to poorly slap together and unload to unsuspecting ven
13:04 asciilifeform ture capital firms for a million in seed money, who later are forced to abandon the broken concept and cut their losses. But it’s not like that– these 5 college students are from Belgium!'
13:05 mircea_popescu so what if they're from belgium ?
13:05 mircea_popescu niggers dun get free $$$ ?
13:06 asciilifeform mega-disappoint, i imagine.
13:07 asciilifeform 'Sever™ shreds your data into billions of tiny data packets, encrypts each one with a powerful new encryption algorithm developed to STOP villains dead in their tracks...'
13:07 asciilifeform ^ dozens of these.
13:07 mircea_popescu i should point out that the primary driver of all these ridiculous "products" is the utter illiteracy of the general population.
13:08 asciilifeform and the only brake -- is the ~poverty~ of selfsame illiterate beoble
13:08 mircea_popescu aha.
13:08 mircea_popescu which is why the correct approach is to make the general population poorer.
13:10 asciilifeform what'd that look like ? it isn't as if typical, e.g., usaschwitz inmate, will ever touch real money with own hands
13:10 mircea_popescu it'd be like bitcoin going ever higher in terms of fiatcoin.
13:15 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/M6z6F/?raw=true << in other pdp11isms. from asciilifeform's chamber of horrors (warning: aficionados only.)
13:16 asciilifeform ^ if anyone finds the proof unsatisfying, asciilifeform would like to hear about it ^
13:19 trinque you know, ada syntax is *quite* like plpgsql
13:19 asciilifeform trinque: ~pascal syntax
13:20 trinque ah, neat
13:20 asciilifeform deceptively familiar-looking to ~every schoolboy. however most programs a n00b writes -- end up not compiling.
13:20 asciilifeform ( for entirely good reasons )
13:21 asciilifeform paste is not a complete proggy, but excerpt, to put the arithmetical statement in context.
13:22 asciilifeform ( q for readers : are the two equations intuitively obvious ? or is the tabular thing actually necessary. )
13:34 phf i take it and/or/not are bitwise in ada?
13:35 asciilifeform correct ( when operands are bitwise-operable. )
13:36 phf and Bitness is some (global?) flag for endianness?
13:37 asciilifeform phf: it isn't global, it is part of the 'generic' definition (analogous to cpp template.) will become apparent when you read entire thing.
13:37 asciilifeform ditto 'word' (the routines work for all possible word sizes)
13:37 asciilifeform and is endian-insensitive, and pointer-free.
13:40 phf but i mean shift_right shifts right or left depending on bitness, or am i misreading?
13:42 asciilifeform nope
13:42 asciilifeform 'bitness' is, e.g., 64. 32. etc
13:43 phf aah
13:43 phf k
13:43 asciilifeform Shift_Right(N, pos) shifts right n positions. (compiles to, e.g., SHR RAX, 1 ) etc
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14:00 phf so the formula gives you a carry mask, but you only care if the highest bit carried, in which case there's overflow
14:04 asciilifeform correct
14:05 asciilifeform this seems like masochism except when you realize that 1) compiler does not give you access to carry flag, portably, or ever will 2) carry flag is a non-mathematical (external) abstraction that cannot be SPARKized
14:06 asciilifeform (1) is why all (afaik) known bignumtrons use inline asm turds
14:06 mircea_popescu in other scams, https://gust.com/companies/securedincomereserve <--> https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16935.htm ("guaranteed" bond "platform" targetting old people / revolutionary data compressing technology)
14:07 mircea_popescu somehow that ilona alexis mendelbaum character managed to not put tits up, either, which is the most scandalous part of the whole affair.
14:09 phf i don't think it's masochism, it's very much in the knuthlamportdijkstra tradition of things, but yeah, typically you would ask cpu with asm if there was an overflow
14:10 phf and all the bignums are the same size? judging by the fact that you're walking the bigits with the same index?
14:12 asciilifeform phf: indeed they are
14:13 asciilifeform phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IZdid/?raw=true << sneak preview.
14:14 asciilifeform ^ not final, signed, or intended for battlefield use by anybody, quite yet.
14:18 mircea_popescu https://nomx.com/ << putting here for a snapshot.
14:18 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu is enjoying himself!
14:19 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy.
14:19 mircea_popescu the butthurt is like tardstalk.org grade.
14:20 * mod6 looks
14:20 mircea_popescu "we perceive that there's significant differential between the illiterate tards we are targetting and the people capable of following this ~blogger's~ (you know, as if that's somehow derrogatory) article."
14:20 asciilifeform phf: 'infinitely' expandable bignums have their place -- phuctor, for instance. but they are a specialized and EXPENSIVE thing
14:20 asciilifeform ( expensive in complexity , rather than cpu )
14:21 asciilifeform there is no valid reason to have them in a crypto proggy.
14:22 asciilifeform note that 'fz' size can be whatever you like. it simply has to be set at warmup time.
14:22 asciilifeform ( the first command in a 'P' program is to set the register width. )
14:23 asciilifeform the second -- sets the maximal number of computational steps.
14:23 phf can you have multiple different sized (obviously non-compatible) bignums in the same system?
14:23 asciilifeform you could. but why.
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 thereby getting cemented into the thing ? you're making 258 bit bignums or what
14:23 a111 Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
14:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: goddamnit
14:23 asciilifeform N bits !
14:23 asciilifeform N gets set when program runs.
14:23 asciilifeform consider reading the link...
14:24 asciilifeform no magic nums.
14:24 asciilifeform no heap use.
14:24 mircea_popescu you want me to read and understand 500 lines of ada "sneak preview" in real time ?
14:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479551 << see also.
14:25 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come:
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: end goal is specifically something that specifically mircea_popescu could read, while emptying a glass of rum, without any booklarnin' required. and grasp it.
14:26 mircea_popescu yeah but ima read the release.
14:26 asciilifeform no rush.
14:27 asciilifeform general principle is -- running in fixed space.
14:27 asciilifeform (how much space -- can be set for the occasion. but no growth.)
14:28 asciilifeform the other principle is simplicity above all else save correctness.
14:29 asciilifeform no optimizations of any kind whatsoever. ( in fact, pessimizations, e.g. comparisons all take same amount of time regardless of where difference is, or whether there is one. addition of 0+0 takes same time as, e.g., 2**256 - 1 + 2**256 - 1 . etc )
14:30 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://colin.keigher.ca/2017/01/anti-virus-is-worthless.html
14:31 phf asciilifeform: question lets me understand moving parts better, rather than specifics
14:32 asciilifeform there is a minimum of specifics.
14:33 phf rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1"
14:33 phf rather than "omg, i want this to be variable sized in my next progy!!1"
14:33 phf easy boy
14:34 asciilifeform when you instantiate the generic, you get a bignumtron of given width.
14:35 asciilifeform ( can do it as many times as you like )
14:35 mircea_popescu "I really, really like the fact that Microsoft has embraced Linux in the form of releasing Ubuntu on Windows." "Keep the operating system up to date. If Windows 10 rebooting on you is so inconvenient, you're a lost cause--the most recent update lets you defer up to a month by the way." << same source.
14:35 mircea_popescu windows idiots are quite the fucking problem aren't they.
14:40 trinque guy even says "embraced".
14:40 mircea_popescu you know ?
14:41 mircea_popescu there's a large pile of these, by the way, windows "computer experts".
14:41 trinque after several threads with mircea_popescu re: language I look for that kind of thing everywhere
14:41 trinque guy's subconsiously politically signaling
14:41 mircea_popescu and they all did the same things -- worked in "anti virus" for a spell, are very much into "virtualization", etc.
14:42 mircea_popescu sort-of like how unemployable & unmarrigeable (in a word -- entirely unmarketable) "graduate student" is all into haskell, and africa-inclusive python etc.
14:42 mircea_popescu the windows "computer expert" generally got hired as an intern by some usg."corporation" and specialiuzed in the workplace.
14:43 mircea_popescu graduated from "i can make website" to "excel support" to "windows troubleshooting" to eventually "powershell" and "put it in my card reader and used Win32DiskImager to take a full clone of the card."
14:46 asciilifeform 'Don't use pirated software or pirate any content. Netflix is cheap, Spotify is free if you tolerate ads, and honestly there are tonnes of open source solutions for whatever you need to do.' << lol!!
14:47 trinque elliot did a lot of this, regurgitation of bad marketing, like most of his reading involved cereal boxes and ends of infomercials
14:48 mircea_popescu does there exist a substantial us conversation BESIDES regurgitation / repackaging of marketing content ?
14:48 mircea_popescu you may think eg pete_dushenski is a little strange for desiring nothing other than you know, making a new website where to retell fuckgoats shop page "in his own words". but who does anything else, on that sad continent ? where ? when ?
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14:49 mircea_popescu jerry seinfeld cropped his ad-hoc speech to "mr and mrs ross" from something called "The wrath of khan", which was what ? space-soap opera, ie extended kitchen detergent sales copy.
14:50 mircea_popescu the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born.
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14:51 trinque see: hood chicago for extreme case of "kill anything that rises higher than this line"
14:51 trinque seems to be what the whole anglosphere did to itself
14:51 mircea_popescu it's one way to... "keep the peace"
14:51 trinque and turn everyone into tribal idiots
14:52 mircea_popescu hey, the (at the time, 1917s, 1867s etc) noted anti-intellectualism of usians yielded ~something~.
14:55 Framedragger re. american who said sth interesting, i volunteer david lewis (the philosopher)! inb4 BingoBoingo's "only american philosopher was james joyce"
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14:56 mircea_popescu Framedragger i had something narrower in mind, everyday social conversation.
14:56 Framedragger yeah, mk :) i mean, you may as well be right lol.
14:57 * trinque spent months years ago not talking to a soul except as needed at work
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14:57 mircea_popescu samuel clemens not random pick, he did these ad hoc speeches over dinner etc.
14:57 trinque was lovely.
14:57 mircea_popescu kinda wolfish neh ?
14:58 trinque sure, and was doing mostly that, prowling about in nature, with free time
14:59 trinque it's probably a better life to have the mind filled with the words of the intelligent, but silence is preferable to the neurotic babble
14:59 mircea_popescu inb4 us medical profession wakes up to the sad fact that the raise in autism has nothing to do with ~organic~ causes. the kids just don't like the environment any, opt out.
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15:00 trinque "no, I just want to kill everyone I see"
15:02 Framedragger s/james joyce/william james/ ^ BingoBoingo i mixed up my english, too
15:02 mircea_popescu i thought you were being insulting deliberately o.O
15:03 phf i thought that was some kind of high brow snark
15:04 mircea_popescu it'd have been high brow snark had the reference somehow worked ; but i couldn't unearth one that'd so work. "last us philosopher was this irish novelist"
15:04 Framedragger yeah in retrospect should have left that one be
15:04 mircea_popescu (see a,a novel and the whole joyce-warhol "dialogue" also)
15:08 Framedragger hah i didn't know about that! nice one...
15:09 Framedragger btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising
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15:09 asciilifeform 'people'
15:10 Framedragger usg sybils deliberately working to blackhole asciilifeform's emails!
15:10 trinque check it out; he learned the splitting
15:10 asciilifeform Framedragger: 'people' in the sense of the randos hanging out, e.g., here, and never saying a word, is the idea.
15:11 mircea_popescu there's a bunch of these obscure clutches in us subculture. elvis and his colonel, warhol and his hanger ons, the beatles + yoko ono + etc, waters divine and the whol;e baltimore gang, the algonquin long table, on it goes.
15:11 mircea_popescu pretty much all that grows on the fertile soil of the red skin's plain is potatoe.
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15:12 Framedragger asciilifeform: when i said "might not even be worthless" i actually meant it in the sense that i observe chatter there and it's not all ~noise (but very small sample, and no time to read backlog there). then again, sure markov bots etc
15:12 asciilifeform Framedragger: invite'em in
15:12 mircea_popescu * Loaded log from Sun Jul 13 00:34:38 2014
15:12 mircea_popescu apparently i was there before.
15:13 Framedragger posted msg. inb4 "spamzor!"
15:14 asciilifeform Cannot join #crypto (Channel is invite only). << interesting
15:14 mircea_popescu * Topic for ##crypto is: Welcome to ##crypto for cryptography theory and practice | "We appeal, as human beings, to human beings: Remember your humanity, and forget the rest." | Resources: http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac http://www.keylength.com | Ethics: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf
15:14 mircea_popescu * Topic for ##crypto set by hlieberman at Fri Jan 20 11:28:52 2017
15:14 asciilifeform ## worx yea
15:15 asciilifeform but what's in that other.
15:15 phf whisperers
15:15 mircea_popescu probably schneier.
15:15 asciilifeform <Captain_Beezay> also,I'd never touch anything named that,regardless of quality. onerng is out there fyi << lel
15:15 asciilifeform btw we did the 'onerng' thing here.
15:16 asciilifeform !#s onerng
15:16 a111 26 results for "onerng", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=onerng
15:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900089 << the thread of interest.
15:16 a111 Logged on 2014-10-28 12:51 asciilifeform: 2) http://moonbaseotago.com/onerng/schematic.png << vendor schematic. see bottom-right-hand, 'AP3105' switching voltage-booster. it's there because 3v is not enough to run an avalanche diode. guess how the booster works?
15:17 phf i think the name is very much reminiscent of phrack oldschoolery, presumably before "Captain_Beezay" was old enough to computers
15:20 asciilifeform copy-of-a-copy-of-a... like so much other anglo.
15:21 mircea_popescu phf yeah well.
15:21 mod6 Test run #3 of `ent` && `dieharder` against 2nd FG finished: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run3.txt
15:21 mod6 Will be moving on to third FG next.
15:22 trinque not so much the copying as 1) copy what? and 2) why are the copies so lossy
15:22 Framedragger nice one mod6, entropy still at steady 8.0 bits per byte i see :D
15:22 mod6 yeah, very steady on that part Framedragger
15:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: them heathens dun have logz, do they.
15:23 mod6 once all 5 are done, i'll pull together something more comprehensive for comparison; currently, i just have the raw output test data.
15:23 asciilifeform mod6: one of my chronic irritants re testing fg is that i have nothing whatsoever worth comparing against.
15:23 mircea_popescu you can ask, right ?
15:23 mircea_popescu why ask me, i dun know 'em.
15:24 Framedragger might be just noise after all
15:24 trinque happy with their lives in the goop tube
15:24 mod6 asciilifeform: indeed. which is partly why maybe my posting these is useful for other folks. we can compare and contrast our fg's at least.
15:24 mircea_popescu can anyone actually buy this thing ? if i click on "buy for 40 bucks" nothing happens
15:24 mod6 like Mr. P. can run same tests, see what it looks like compared to mod6's.
15:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i ain't particularly interested in testing whitened 't'rng , also
15:25 asciilifeform if i want whitening, i can dd if=/dev/urandom .
15:26 mircea_popescu sure, but i dun think the website worx ?
15:26 asciilifeform ( btw fun exercise, you get quite similar random 'weak' etc. )
15:26 asciilifeform one would imagine.
15:26 mod6 the only other thing I could do, would be to just collect /dev/random until >~1Gb then run the same tests.
15:26 asciilifeform mod6: might take a while.
15:27 mod6 and do that like on a bunch of different environments; gentoo, ubuntu 12/14/16, freebsd recent, openbsd (old?) and recent, deb 7 & 8, osx whatever versions
15:27 asciilifeform speaking of subj, i finally have a LYSO crystal here. but not yet a suitable uv detector.
15:27 Framedragger mircea_popescu: seems to go to checkout page for me at http://moonbase.tictail.com/
15:27 mod6 indeed, could take weeks if not months
15:28 Framedragger nice one, asciilifeform's house is getting luminescent lighting finally :D
15:28 mod6 the sample bredth of os's above is probably fine... but would want a wider variety of hardware environments.
15:28 mircea_popescu im guessing my browser isn't ajaxy enough or such
15:28 mircea_popescu Framedragger how can you pay ? paypal etc ?
15:28 mod6 doesn't probably do us all justice if I run some of these test collections on some shitty hardware i may or may not have.
15:29 mod6 would be good to get these tests from at least 3 different people.
15:29 asciilifeform mod6: the thing to compare against would be another UNWHITENED rng.
15:29 asciilifeform which is not a thing that appears to EXIST on the market.
15:30 mod6 yah, there's that too.
15:30 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yeah, paypal
15:30 mircea_popescu aite.
15:30 mod6 could shortcircut that part in the random device?
15:30 Framedragger i mean, testing and comparing results of these rngs is probably useful (i'm outta time as of now), hm
15:31 mircea_popescu mod6 and ideally unassociated with nsa either.
15:32 mod6 ah true enough; be nice to have some outside anal
15:32 asciilifeform mod6, mircea_popescu : i'm still waiting for one of the non-tmsr folx who bought, to publicly write something...
15:33 mircea_popescu may take a while.
15:34 asciilifeform perhaps ye olde pankkake ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1648131 ) ...
15:34 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 20:35 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://v.teknik.io/v/MlDDG << 'FUCKGOATS unboxing' ( pankkake ! )
15:36 asciilifeform kako at one point threatened to buy one, and could make a fine critic. but never could be arsed.
15:37 asciilifeform there were a number of folx whom i don't know, who bought. but none yet wrote in.
15:37 mircea_popescu hey, they paid, that completes their obligations.
15:37 asciilifeform aha.
15:37 asciilifeform no complaint on my end.
15:38 asciilifeform i'd naively imagine that if they hated, or loved, or some combination, they might write, somewhere.
15:38 asciilifeform but not afaik yet.
15:39 phf i suspect that no vocal nonwot bought FUCKGOATS. it's either inwot, or else lurkers, that otherwise don't have any kind of presence. won't start participating with a review (even though that's probably a reason way to put self on radar)
15:40 phf *reasonable
15:40 asciilifeform apparently.
15:40 asciilifeform no love/hate/any mail re the design, either, interestingly -- design, is public, anyone could read.
15:41 asciilifeform even build -- himself.
15:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this very neatly mirrors the failure of same general population to make bitcoin via eulora.
15:42 mircea_popescu the sad fact of the matter is that there isn't some sort of large pocket of life out there that's being somehow missed on.
15:42 mircea_popescu they just dun has it. will write reviews for pizza hut where they go.
15:43 asciilifeform and oh lol, they have their own leah apparently.
15:43 asciilifeform because these are issued, 1 per heathen pit.
15:43 phf ##crypto?
15:43 asciilifeform ( for all i know -- literally, issued. )
15:43 asciilifeform aha
15:46 trinque same pattern; shitty copy of X
15:47 mircea_popescu this "we don't have a log" hurr is becoming the #1 dunning-kruger symptom. they dun have one and dun know why they'd miss it, just like i wouldn't havce known in 2012.
15:49 Framedragger (leah or mp, maybe it's some kind of inevitable general great attractor pattern)
15:49 asciilifeform public idiots have this notion, that somehow they are not public idiots if there is no (easily found) log.
16:01 asciilifeform Framedragger: re earlier thread : i looked far and wide to possibly buy rng to compare with -- and found nothing worth buying ( no, i won't compare with whitened; i won't pay 20,000 $+ for a box of schematicless ??? ; etc )
16:01 Framedragger that is depressingly sad isn't it. fair enough, good to know...
16:02 asciilifeform same problem with intel's ( probably the most ubiquitous hardware rng )
16:02 asciilifeform they 1) whiten with sha 2) won't under any circumstance give access to the raw input.
16:02 mircea_popescu heh
16:02 mircea_popescu Framedragger i doubt leah attracts anyone.
16:03 Framedragger mircea_popescu: badump-tss! something like 'flocking', in that particular case. though, yeah, maybe exactly opposite (leahs flock to places)
16:04 mod6 <+asciilifeform> even build -- himself. << one of the things im gonna be doing here, maybe with some handholding, is flashing xilinx chip with your fg.v
16:04 mircea_popescu in other weird news, i've apparently gotten hella-good at handling wanna-be leahs, on the basis of nothing in particular. meditation, i guess, not like i've even interacted with the unfiltered refuse of angloshpere since the cat-v adventure.
16:04 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah that's just insane :/
16:05 Framedragger maybe it's the costa rican air
16:05 Framedragger less turbulence.
16:06 mircea_popescu maybe i'm getting old.
16:07 mod6 nah
16:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform one can't well shake the suspicion the reason intel isn't keen to share raw stream is the fear that you'd poke it at the wrong time.
16:08 mircea_popescu widely deployed snake oil, it's gotta happen.
16:14 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
16:18 mircea_popescu in other lulz, intel provideds us with a Taylor Campbell anchor for the ~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh symbol, and other than an empty packages maintainer list, choice items such as https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom
16:19 mircea_popescu factorable.net, of course. phuctor never heard of, of course. totally innocent bystander.
16:20 mircea_popescu (for they following at home : factorable.net, an item existing entirely to try and pretend like phuctor didn't happen -- no longer exists on the web.
16:20 mircea_popescu this, of course, has ~nothing to do with its failure at that intended task, a much younger Framedragger would assure us.)
16:21 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/2Vd6G for teh posterity.
16:23 Framedragger wasn't factorable.net 2012? or was phuctor around in 2012
16:24 mod6 up and testing on FG #3.
16:24 mircea_popescu around in 2012 as a what ?
16:24 Framedragger their paper is certainly 2012
16:24 Framedragger (https://factorable.net/paper.html)
16:24 mircea_popescu i have domains i registered pre 2000 i never bothered to use. i'd say link me, but...
16:25 Framedragger also it's still around, but uses a cert that you (probably for good reason) hate
16:25 mircea_popescu Framedragger i see 2015 archive.is
16:25 mircea_popescu oldest item from them, 17 may 2015, https://archive.is/9CIuQ
16:25 phf most of the lisp developers here know riastradh by his paredit, but he's otherwise a competent scheme developer
16:25 mircea_popescu and otherwise, the website doesn't load, not for me not for archive.is
16:25 Framedragger okay, look, their paper was published in 2012. people referred to it as "that 2012 paper". now it's possible all them people are sybils, but i'll go ahead and say that factorable came before phuctor.
16:26 mircea_popescu Framedragger i'll take your word for it. if i DIDN'T though, what steps could you take to enact this truth ?
16:26 Framedragger loads for me. letsencrypt cert.
16:26 mircea_popescu this is nice but...
16:27 Framedragger web.archive.org/web/20121023082642/factorable.net
16:27 phf his "homepage" https://mumble.net/~campbell/ and a "blog" https://mumble.net/~campbell/blag.txt
16:27 mircea_popescu phf can you with not so much effort point out to me what netbsd anything he did ?
16:27 phf i don't know anything about his netbsd work. i know him exclusively via scheme/lisp world
16:28 mircea_popescu a ok.
16:29 Framedragger mircea_popescu: web archive says 2012, when i click its link it takes me to http://web.archive.org/web/20130310014945/https://factorable.net/ (note, 2013), but i think it's because there was no change between its first archived instance (23 oct 2012) and this 2013. anyway, no proof, sure
16:29 mircea_popescu Framedragger tjhere is some skullduggery at work here, as that link redirects me to a 2013 item ( web.archive.org/web/20121023082642/factorable.net
16:29 mircea_popescu <tasselteats> http://web.archive.org/web/20130310014945/https://factorable.net/)
16:29 Framedragger yeah
16:30 mircea_popescu anyway. this looks like an empty placeholder. i see nothing in there. can i verify any claim in any way ?
16:30 Framedragger what answer did you expect? what kind of verification? it was around on 2012. offered a keycheck service. service no longer offered. raw data not available. "meh; but not stolen from phuctor" is my conclusion
16:31 mircea_popescu 5.57%. this implies a sample of no less than 1795332 items (of which 100000 came out this way) because iirc 557 is a prime number.
16:32 mircea_popescu Framedragger can i see the 2012 version of the verification service ?
16:33 Framedragger hm. definitely not live, because it's not, you know, static. you wish to see the frontend?
16:34 mircea_popescu i would like to see something. put you in my shoes and see what you'd like to see ?
16:34 Framedragger i mean all i've got is http://web.archive.org/web/20130220094146/https://factorable.net/keycheck.html
16:34 Framedragger ^ probably worth a peek. tls/ssh as input.
16:34 mircea_popescu ah it tests against "our db of weak keys".
16:34 mircea_popescu i suppose that's one way to go about it.
16:35 Framedragger why the fuck did it tell me it had a 2012 snapshot if it's defo not available tho, lol
16:35 mircea_popescu "The service will also report whether we have seen the same key in use in other certificates or served from other IP addresses, which can help identify default or repeated keys."
16:35 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yeah, not super much
16:35 mircea_popescu Framedragger because webarchive is worth trusting about as far as you can throw alexa, an amazon company, in the business of making up shit about the web since the 90s.
16:36 Framedragger no argument :/
16:36 mircea_popescu aaanyway.
16:36 mircea_popescu thanks for indulging the mess.
16:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2013-10-19#353492 << 2013 for the record.
16:37 a111 Logged on 2013-10-19 18:29 mircea_popescu: and phuctor is over 250 keys loaded now.
16:38 Framedragger ah k, need to keep in mind. almost four years going, good stuff!
16:40 mircea_popescu it wasn't much foir the first coupla though. as these things usually go.
16:47 mircea_popescu well, the guy is evidently not in the mood to indulge, but let's try this. "<eightyeight> his "Is there such a thing as better or worse entropy ?" paragraph is equally as painful to read
16:48 mircea_popescu <eightyeight> he clearly doesn't understand the differences between shannon entropy and entropy as defined by the 2nd law of thermodynamics
16:48 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> eightyeight what are the differences, for my curiosity ?"
16:48 mircea_popescu anyone want to take a stab at it ?
16:48 mircea_popescu !!up framedr
16:48 deedbot framedr voiced for 30 minutes.
16:48 framedr (server down for 'emergency maintenace'. yes will move to dedicated, no this is not acceptable, OP sucks dicks)
16:49 mircea_popescu btw ben_vulpes consider changing the reference point to #trilema in your seminal and widely quoted http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ?
16:49 mircea_popescu framedr eh take it ezzy :)
16:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the paper existed in '13 certainly, i read it. but the actual data wasn't public, then or now.
16:49 mircea_popescu i believe.
16:50 mircea_popescu i still think the item existed and was quoted in the dude's slides as a phuctor decoy and nothing more. this is not really something i can be talked out of through showing that a website wireframe existed ~same eyar.
16:51 asciilifeform the funnybit is that it ~still~only exists in this form
16:51 mircea_popescu well meanwhile it fell off [my version of] the internet.
16:51 framedr (granted, bootstrap website is not the most amazing rigorous proof)
16:54 framedr their root is one 'ISRG root', trusted by firefox as of 2016 it seems, but it makes a whooooolotta sense to tend to one's cert garden manually as mircea_popescu does. (then again, if it's all snakeoil anyway?..)
16:54 framedr (i mean letsencrypt cert root)
16:54 mircea_popescu for some reason it dun work on my systems and i dun feel like debugging it for them
16:55 framedr owait, 'isrg root' is mozilla's root lol. i thought, third party. it's a root they created
17:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: good idea
17:09 mircea_popescu nobody is going to take the entropy bait are they.
17:10 phf hehe, i'd be surprised if somebody even attempted to.
17:11 mircea_popescu i live a sad life of rum and solitude.
17:12 Framedragger possibly mod6's earlier referred https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html (chaitin!) is relevant, but not sure
17:15 phf afaiu shannon's entropy being a probability is descriptive, rather than prescriptive. so it can categorize a sequence of events, but it can't really say anything about how those sequence of events come about. so i'm not entirely sure how it even applies to engineering problem of event generation..
17:16 mircea_popescu can entropy in the physics sense predict anything ?
17:18 mircea_popescu phf if it can categorize the events it necessarily can say ~something~ about ["the past","how they came about"], neh ?
17:22 Framedragger isn't it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)?
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17:23 mircea_popescu oh shit. turns out what the dude means is actually rather trivial, and also a rather ridiculous tribal misunderstanding of what shannon said etc. read the slides 8 and 9 of this dude's presentation.
17:23 mircea_popescu https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom <
17:24 asciilifeform oh hey hey hey lbj!
17:24 mircea_popescu basically this tribe thinks that what shannon entropy is, is when P takes value "hunter2" in 50% of the cases and a random in the remainder of cases and therefore this is "no good for crypto because i can guess what your password will be".
17:24 asciilifeform it's the 'use /dev/urandom' d00d !!
17:24 mircea_popescu well yes.
17:25 mircea_popescu and check out the "min-entropy" "best strategy" thing on slide 10.
17:25 asciilifeform or hm, maybe not same one, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614105
17:25 a111 Logged on 2017-02-15 18:59 asciilifeform: in related lulz/disinfo, http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
17:25 asciilifeform but similar flavour.
17:25 mircea_popescu they're like mere hairs away from coming up with an ideal compressor, these folks.
17:25 mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with people.
17:26 asciilifeform complete with link to 'factorable.net' in place of phuctor.
17:26 mircea_popescu you sound like me now.
17:26 asciilifeform after working as exterminator long enough, all rats begin to look quite alike
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17:26 mircea_popescu basically what happens is they hang out in these "professional" venues being "polite" and as a result they misunderstand something and it becomes a thing for them and then they end up in arguments with outsiders over it.
17:27 mircea_popescu but yes, i agree there's a huge difference between "spit out string hunter2 half tyhe time" and entropy eh
17:27 asciilifeform 'Can’t attain the security property against attacker who compromises the kernel, but some people worry about theoretically approximating it for some reason.' << this kernel fixation.
17:27 asciilifeform i have devices with 0 kernel. e.g. FUCKGOATS itself.
17:27 mircea_popescu gotta accept the framework alfie!
17:27 asciilifeform is not a von neumann machine. doesn't have one inside, even.
17:27 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648964 << ah shit i (in fact) just repeated phf, sorry lol
17:27 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 21:22 Framedragger: isn't it a kind of probability of possible messages / possible states, given a message / given some system. can you really infer anything about "how it came about" (infer *any* info, in terms of probability or w/e)?
17:28 asciilifeform ( any other rng , available for love or money, where this is true ?? )
17:28 mircea_popescu which can of campbell soup do you want president ? YOU DO WANT A CAN OF SOUP IN OFFICE!
17:28 phf Framedragger: we're trying to say the same thing, but i don't think it's quite there yet
17:28 asciilifeform also gotta love the 'slides' liquishit
17:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform xilinx!
17:28 asciilifeform where if you gotta paste, you gotta 'view src'
17:29 mircea_popescu apparently the whole academic thing isn't very high with the contemporaneous crop.
17:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: next rev of board will have, for lulzies, a not-xilinx
17:29 Framedragger phf: seminar group! imma read shannon's orig paper realsoonnao anyway
17:29 asciilifeform ( or possibly a fully 74xxxxized circuit, firmwareless. )
17:30 mircea_popescu phf Framedragger there's actually a specific law forbidding your approach from prevailing.
17:30 asciilifeform but fact -- current : no von neumann. no cpu.
17:30 mircea_popescu xilinx could work as cpu in theory!
17:31 asciilifeform could. somebody once posted a 1-instruction 4-bit cpu that fits in the xc64.
17:31 mircea_popescu did it look like GoL ?
17:31 asciilifeform nope, that'd need some actual memory
17:31 asciilifeform ( you can get a few bytes in there, see fg.v )
17:32 asciilifeform bytes, note. not M, not K.
17:32 mircea_popescu aha
17:32 mircea_popescu ahahaha "kernel is totally deterministic" o brother.
17:32 mircea_popescu i have been well entertained.
17:33 mircea_popescu apparently there exists a dude named
17:33 mircea_popescu !~google "thor lancelot" simon
17:33 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Thor Lancelot Simon - Panix: <http://www.panix.com/~tls/>; Thor John Lancelot Simon Inventions, Patents and Patent ...: <http://patents.justia.com/inventor/thor-john-lancelot-simon>; Thor Simon | LinkedIn: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/thor-simon-6253325>
17:34 asciilifeform hey, if a... batman suparman . exists.
17:34 asciilifeform why not this.
17:34 mircea_popescu i never knew a simon could be so brave!
17:34 asciilifeform !~google batman suparman
17:34 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Trending: Batman bin Suparman jailed in Singapore - BBC News: <http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24911186>; Batman Bin Suparman Jailed In Singapore | The Huffington Post: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/batman-bin-suparman-jail-singapore-theft-burglary_n_4256565.html>; Internet Hero Batman bin Suparman Jailed For Theft, Drug Crimes: (1 more message)
17:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recall this was a lulz on ancient ed.
17:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform holy shit you're linked in there.
17:36 asciilifeform waiwhere
17:36 mircea_popescu check out last slide!
17:36 asciilifeform lol!!
17:36 mircea_popescu bwahaha
17:37 asciilifeform that one gets linked quite a bit
17:37 asciilifeform from various academitards, too
17:38 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy.
17:39 mircea_popescu in other "Riastradh> Design of RNGs for crypto is on-topic, though physical phenomona that lead to them is at the edge of the topic of this channel -- not because it's irrelevant but because it lies outside the area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here." : "* andytoshi (~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi) has joined ##crypto
17:39 mircea_popescu <andytoshi> how parallelizable is shor's algo? if i want to break 100 discrete logs is this much faster to do in batch than to do them separately?"
17:40 Framedragger check out alf's javascript http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.js :) but yeah, good tool
17:41 asciilifeform Framedragger: does it work on yer box ?
17:41 Framedragger asciilifeform: keys dun work, actually, but no matter. overall - works
17:42 asciilifeform Framedragger: that was 1 of the 2 occasions where i wrote something in js
17:42 asciilifeform Framedragger: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html << being the other.
17:42 asciilifeform ( where i bet also keyz dun work any moar on 'modern' browser... )
17:44 Framedragger ah, i remember the microwriter article. cool. hm yeah dun seem to work, on first attempt
17:44 * Framedragger considers opening js console to check exceptions, but goes for tea to not ruin evening
17:44 asciilifeform Framedragger: if you know how to make it work-everywhere without library liquishit -- do tell.
17:45 Framedragger asciilifeform: might be able to. will do
17:45 asciilifeform also check numlock
17:46 asciilifeform ( last time i tried it, it worked on everything short of 'lynx' . )
17:53 Framedragger asciilifeform: e.which more browser-agnostic than e.keyCode; in my case (firefox), e.keyCode is 0, expects e.charCode for $reasons. however, e.which will also work, and 'should' work everywhere except on very old IE. am not js expert tho, so, disclaimer
17:53 * Framedragger bbl
17:54 asciilifeform Framedragger: test with/without numlock. betcha it worx as-is.
17:57 Framedragger asciilifeform: did, with and without numlock. and the thing you're trying to catch in code (e.keyCode) is 0 in both cases. however, e.which is correct (and is more 'canonical' here anyway). but i'm on laptop currently; but that shouldn't make a difference
17:57 phf asciilifeform: i did a thing
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17:57 phf ffa(64*18, Unsigned_64)
17:57 phf (2 ** 1024) - 1:
17:57 phf 00000000000000000000000000000001ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
17:57 phf (2 ** 2048) - 1:
17:57 phf overflow!
17:57 phf 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
17:58 asciilifeform phf: plox to elaborate
17:59 asciilifeform 64*18 is 1152 neh
17:59 phf well, it's the correct result, nothing unexpected
18:00 asciilifeform ah
18:00 asciilifeform i was about to be excited.
18:00 phf unfortunately it seems to work as expected
18:01 asciilifeform lol!
18:01 asciilifeform congrats to phf for being first to build , btw. hats off.
18:01 asciilifeform ( and i did not even post any example of use, much less a makefile. so we have here a fella who definitely does his homework ! )
18:05 phf i decided to learn ada today
18:06 mircea_popescu lol is that ffa implemented in slutty what's hjer name ?
18:06 mircea_popescu ah nm, ada huh.
18:06 asciilifeform the saddest thing about ada is that there is only one. ( only one properly-specified, multi-implementation typesafe language that can build for small (kB ram) as well as large systems . )
18:07 mircea_popescu could have stopped at the "properly specified multi implementation" part
18:07 asciilifeform mno
18:07 asciilifeform because there is not and will not be commonlisp on a micro.
18:08 asciilifeform nor on realtime (e.g. avionics) system.
18:08 mircea_popescu ah, cl is properly specified multi implementation ?
18:08 asciilifeform indeed
18:09 asciilifeform 1 of 2 . ( the other... ada. )
18:09 mircea_popescu sbcl and what ? the google app engine abcl ?
18:09 asciilifeform ccl
18:09 mircea_popescu ah
18:10 asciilifeform kyoto cl. clisp. franz. lispworks. scineer. (last one - i never tried, cannot say with certainty how standard-compliant)
18:10 mircea_popescu let's let cmucl out to piss off people.
18:10 asciilifeform lolyes
18:11 mircea_popescu apparently there's a lot of them. /me is looking at cliki.net
18:11 asciilifeform not so many (some, e.g. sbcl and cmucl, are 'blood relatives' )
18:15 asciilifeform i wonder if there is any other language, than cl and ada, in reasonably common use today, that does not presuppose 8-bit bytes.
18:15 mircea_popescu fortran ?
18:17 asciilifeform which fortran'd that be
18:17 asciilifeform g77 certainly is married to the 8bit byte.
18:18 mircea_popescu fortran fortran. the 36bit word item
18:18 asciilifeform them ain't bytes
18:19 mircea_popescu what's your definition of a byte here ?
18:19 asciilifeform the default quantization of memory.
18:19 mircea_popescu oh i thought "the quanta of simultaneous operation"
18:19 asciilifeform that'd be a machine attribute, not language.
18:20 mircea_popescu i guess that;s a point.
18:20 mircea_popescu besides, one doesn't regard 64 bits currently as a byte
18:20 asciilifeform aha. because it isn't.
18:21 mircea_popescu (no idea why not, they certainly thought 8 bits were a byte for the same reason)
18:21 asciilifeform because it isn't the smallest operand on the box.
18:21 mircea_popescu the etymology is afaik both deliberate and indicative : byte.
18:31 asciilifeform microchip co's 'pic' lineup had systems with 12b bytes, 14...
18:31 asciilifeform then of course there were the pdp
18:31 asciilifeform there are boxes in orbit with weird (18b, say) 'bytes'.
18:33 asciilifeform i am no pro trishop, but bible and koran both were silent on what System.Storage_Unit oughta equal...
18:33 mircea_popescu all this being machine considerations anyway
18:34 asciilifeform aha. except that if you go and try to build a c proggy for these, it will barf.
18:34 asciilifeform married to 8bitness.
18:34 asciilifeform ( and to characters-are-bytes-are-characters. we had this thread also. )
18:35 phf very very naive exponentiation implementation http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9WPJT/?raw=true
18:36 asciilifeform neato phf
18:37 asciilifeform you wouldn't actually want the exponent arg to be 'Integer' tho
18:37 asciilifeform given as it can go negative.
18:37 phf aah
18:37 asciilifeform this kind of thinking comes quickly with practice tho.
18:38 asciilifeform 'what's the narrowest type this can be, and still work in all useful cases'
18:38 asciilifeform also ideally it'd work in constant cycles. ( asciilifeform is still thinking, on paper, how to make shifts work in fixed cycles . )
18:39 asciilifeform this is trickier than it appears, because you can't ever have a branch condition itself on a secret bit.
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18:39 asciilifeform major sin.
18:39 asciilifeform ( and i will note, all -- afaik -- implementations of bignumtron, fail this litmus )
18:40 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648605 << Disappointed this convo did not get FUCKGOATS is the captain now pilot joak
18:40 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 16:45 mircea_popescu: these together mounted on say quadcopter suddenly are rather dangerous. for one thing, no way to intercept its comms anymore.
18:41 phf Natural then
18:41 asciilifeform phf: also FZ_Add(Result, Result, Result, Overflow); can be a shift, neh.
18:41 phf hence very very naive! :D
18:42 phf well, the whole thing can just be shift by exponent
18:43 asciilifeform if exponent is 2**x, lolyes
18:44 phf ...
18:45 asciilifeform phf: your expt doesn't exponentiate, it (slowly) Shift_Left's.
18:45 phf ....
18:46 asciilifeform FZ_Set(Result, X);
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18:46 asciilifeform For_Loop:
18:46 asciilifeform for I in Integer range 1 .. Exponent loop
18:46 asciilifeform FZ_Add(Result, Result, Result, Overflow);
18:46 asciilifeform if Overflow = 1 then
18:46 asciilifeform exit For_Loop;
18:46 asciilifeform end if;
18:46 asciilifeform end loop For_Loop;
18:46 phf it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress!
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18:46 asciilifeform lolk.
18:47 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648755 << William James, James Joyce was a noted novelist and potato nigger
18:47 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 18:55 Framedragger: re. american who said sth interesting, i volunteer david lewis (the philosopher)! inb4 BingoBoingo's "only american philosopher was james joyce"
18:49 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648779 << Gotta be more specific, Alf presents Great Inca's Magic potato. Ripened with Glyphosate!
18:49 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 19:11 mircea_popescu: pretty much all that grows on the fertile soil of the red skin's plain is potatoe.
18:56 asciilifeform hm looks like ze l0gz lose leadingwhitespace.
18:56 asciilifeform ( phf's and Framedragger's both )
18:57 trinque logs.bvulpes.com got it
18:57 asciilifeform mighty spiffy.
18:58 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648979 << But now you have conibear!
18:58 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 21:26 asciilifeform: after working as exterminator long enough, all rats begin to look quite alike
19:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649111 << this however is the correct aproach, build the item entirely so as to avoid it.
19:05 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 22:39 asciilifeform: this is trickier than it appears, because you can't ever have a branch condition itself on a secret bit.
19:05 mircea_popescu rather than trying to bolt mitigation on side.
19:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649132 >> ajajajaja
19:06 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 22:46 phf: it is not in fact phf who posted this nonsense but an adversary, a sybil attack is in progress!
19:07 mircea_popescu epic.
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19:23 phf asciilifeform: browser doesn't render repeat whitespace, unless you do <pre> but then, i believe, it doesn't automatically wrap lines
19:24 phf never the the less, i put a hack that fixes the issue without using <pre>
19:24 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649124
19:24 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 22:46 asciilifeform: FZ_Set(Result, X);
19:26 mircea_popescu phf can pre style wrap something. but anyway.
19:27 phf aah, pre-wrap
19:29 mircea_popescu yeah
19:30 phf probably better than injecting &nbsp; for >1 whitespace in a row...
19:37 mircea_popescu possibly.
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19:52 asciilifeform over in the circus, EmmyNoether has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) << whod'vethunkit.
19:54 mircea_popescu heh
19:54 mircea_popescu gotta dekulakize all value repositories!
19:55 asciilifeform and omfg are these folx infested with leahs.
19:55 asciilifeform they have major pest control problem. not even conibear, will help.
19:56 asciilifeform incidentally BingoBoingo the conibears sprung many times ( and i tested with a stick, hair trigger, quite sensitive ) and caught 0.
19:56 mircea_popescu unsurprising "ethereum applications"'d have popped up
19:56 asciilifeform them beasts -- evolved, must be.
19:56 mircea_popescu this has been such a fabulous goldimine. we thank teh new lord.
20:00 mircea_popescu "A few years ago, there used to be a very easy way to optimize code. If you found out that your processor-heavy code was running a bit slower than you wanted it to, the simple solution was just to wait for the next hardware iteration, which would magically amp up the clock rate on the CPUs and your app would suddenly run faster."
20:00 mircea_popescu ^ quoted from tutorial on "celluloid", which is QUITE the ruby... emerald. by some indian kid.
20:09 mircea_popescu aaand in random lulz : https://thecryptosphere.com/2017/03/22/london-attack-at-westminster-apparently-targeted-via-4chan-pastebin/
20:09 mircea_popescu keywords : binary! morse!
20:16 phf asciilifeform: if i have procedure foo(x in; y out), and i'm calling it with foo(a, a); is it up to procedure to ensure that y is not clobbered before x is used, or is it more that you don't call with a same variable in in and out?
20:17 asciilifeform phf: perfectly legal to call with same variable as in and out.
20:17 asciilifeform you will notice that it is why there is scratch var Ni in the shifters.
20:17 phf ah, k
20:18 asciilifeform so yes, up to procedure.
20:31 asciilifeform phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/z16GS/?raw=true << tentative constant-time >wordsize-increment shifters.
20:34 phf you overestimate the state of things here. i only just managed to ~actually~ get a working very very naive expt
20:35 asciilifeform no rush
20:35 phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4QORj/?raw=true
20:36 asciilifeform it will work (in geological time) but work!11
20:37 phf :D //
20:38 phf what do i do with that loop_counter_overflow (technically underflow). it will never get triggered, but i feel like there needs to be some way to not leave it dangling. an assert of some sort
20:51 asciilifeform pragma Unreferenced (foo);
20:52 asciilifeform if i correctly understood what phf wanted.
20:52 phf well, i want to also indicate that at the end of the loop the value must be 0
20:52 phf though unreferenced is also handy
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21:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3DCBAE5F39FC40A615FF096C435E18CA9B4979439EE287411F7E04208D62C928 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1291...8319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.16.38 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.16.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
21:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3DCBAE5F39FC40A615FF096C435E18CA9B4979439EE287411F7E04208D62C928 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...9619 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.16.38 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.16.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
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22:15 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/ << Trilema - How I found some area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here and there ; plus divers spots missed while shaving.
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22:42 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << Bingo Blog - Introducing the TMSR agriCultural Supremacy Project
22:43 BingoBoingo ^ Biggest announcement in agriCulture this year!
22:44 mircea_popescu o.O
22:44 BingoBoingo !~later tell shinohai http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << This will offer content to feed your TMSR Journal Of Whoreticulture, pls to consider accelerating your timeline for the venue opening
22:44 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
22:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ?
22:46 BingoBoingo No you haven't
22:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/test-de-cultura-botanica-iii/
22:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-botanica/ << these are artichoke babies. they grew up great.
22:47 BingoBoingo I do remember the artichokes
22:47 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ? << lol. last year, I got 1 out of like 3-4 plants. it looked more like a purple carrot.
22:47 mircea_popescu yeah eggplant is hard.
22:48 BingoBoingo mod6: Well good category to start is probably tomatoes. Growing process is well documented. As far north as you are "Early Girl" or similar may be your cultivar of choice.
22:48 shinohai ty BingoBoingo
22:49 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:49 mircea_popescu growing epic tomatoes is possibly the most accessible gardening.
22:50 BingoBoingo We had an inch and a half of rain Wednesday night and are looking at 5 inches over the weekend, so the Beefmaster was copiously fed in anticipation
22:51 mircea_popescu i had a monsoon here four days a week since mid april.
22:51 mircea_popescu it looks like at least 10cm rainfall.
22:51 BingoBoingo Sweet corn and summer squash are other good candidates to consider, Lords are advised to consult their county fair's premium book to guide crop selection.
22:51 mircea_popescu you know they don't do that here ;/
22:52 mircea_popescu they have an onion festival.
22:52 BingoBoingo I am pretty sure I mentioned nearby horseradish festival
22:52 mircea_popescu o, how about chet's baby squash ?
22:52 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/micrototul/
22:53 BingoBoingo very nice baby squash
22:53 BingoBoingo Anyways the pest on the tomatoe leaf looks like some sort of scale insect of which there are many
22:57 mircea_popescu aha. funny as all shit, one egg's growinfg legs.
22:57 mod6 BingoBoingo: oh yeah, my tomatoes do well. i did 22 plants 2 years ago, 10 last year. im most fond of the cherries & romas.
22:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Persistent pest everywhere, some are defeated by soaps, others carbaryl
22:58 mod6 it's been raining non-stop here too.
22:58 BingoBoingo mod6: At many fairs, those are two seperate categories you can enter
22:59 mod6 the mn statefair has some /large/ specimens
22:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in fairness i was never serious about it in the productive sense, more like an enjoyable passtime.
23:00 mircea_popescu naked girls kneeling in the dirt and such,
23:01 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, there is also that. Not necessarily incompatible, naked girls can also kneel in dirt to pick the bounty.
23:01 mircea_popescu yeah, just, eg never bothered to kill those guys.
23:04 BingoBoingo At some point tomatoe grows to the point where it takes a substantial number of pests to be a problem. Anyways usually soapy water usually suffocates them and suds are generally safe for naked girlies
23:05 BingoBoingo Few garden pest usually demand organophasphates to be oppressed.
23:05 mircea_popescu i couldn't even bring myself to salt the slugs.
23:05 mircea_popescu thenb again they mostly stuck to compost pile.
23:06 BingoBoingo But when the farmers harvest the corn and the now hungry stinkbugs come, using nerve agents against them is fair
23:06 BingoBoingo A good compost pile can be a wonderful diversion in that way
23:06 mircea_popescu yeah srslty.
23:09 BingoBoingo slugs and snails usually don't really care much for freshness
23:10 mircea_popescu yea
23:18 BingoBoingo Anyways, idea of the project is that any lord who enjoys this recreation has ready opportunity to demonstrate their ability to dominate wherever they decide to turn their focus if they so choose
23:19 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/XXxWH << Pretty good overview of how these things get judged
23:20 BingoBoingo http://extension.missouri.edu/p/G6230 << In case archive.is burps
23:25 mircea_popescu in other news : ##crypto did 530/738 lines as join/part spam Apr 27 13:21:01 to Apr 27 21:26:05. the remainder 208 lines were 90% of the material and about 450% of the signal us. i think asciilifeform 's evaluation prevails.
23:26 mircea_popescu if i one day actually wish to entertain adolescentine farts about "qc" or such nonsense ima just invite for dinner any of the bois oogling my women from a safe distance.
23:26 shinohai I'm still incredulous that one guy is so hoity-toity he won't say FUCKGOATS
23:27 mircea_popescu he dun wanna sully his soul
23:27 mircea_popescu as that's the only soul he's got.
23:27 shinohai I'm dying of a snakebite, but won't take any anti-venom called fucksnakes
23:28 mircea_popescu shinohai that leg was holding you back!
23:31 * shinohai goes back to filling his box with malicious entropy ....
23:32 mircea_popescu aaron toponce (goes by eightyeight in that chat) has possibly the lulziest "gpg key signing" item i saw : https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
23:32 mircea_popescu 1. let's make "government issued id" the underpinning of the pgp web of trust, because totally, what could be better or above the fiat empire du jour ; 2. key ids. because really.
23:34 mircea_popescu and this is symptomatic of the sheer confusion OF EVERYTHING these fuckwits live in. "Personally, I will only sign keys if I have done at least casual checking or very careful checking. I will not sign a key if I have not verified the ownership of the key. This weakens the Web of Trust." and then eats up weak hashes and government paper. because why the fuck not, PERFECTLY coherent with his "careful" stance.
23:34 mircea_popescu anyway. anyone seen that tox thing ?
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23:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seems like we possibly have a problem here : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0429881B753F39E9FE2573E856C1CEA1AE91EF781A8C2741FB2ADFB2F51313F4
23:36 mircea_popescu dude's key is ancient and yet reported as submitted today
23:37 * asciilifeform looks
23:37 shinohai Tox: "Please use our mailing lists or the Reddit forums for general user support. "
23:37 shinohai no thanx
23:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: entirely possible that it wasn't in the orig sks dump
23:38 mircea_popescu pretty sure it was.
23:40 mircea_popescu in any case it should have been, it's ancient, dude keeps signing others with it etc. "strong set" as they call it.
23:41 asciilifeform can argue that should've been. but wasn't. or it'd show 2016 date.
23:41 mircea_popescu yeah. weird.
23:41 asciilifeform oooh hey, hey, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1BB77329C5FE26A5FABBDAA7FC7DC383BF20B6E528D0FE94F5D1E5C77B041ED1 .
23:42 asciilifeform and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C71FE2B34FBF7E725AAFEC7AF437D95A1BC8280B094508BE8E4399E22004C55 .
23:42 asciilifeform looks like latest copy, is simply same, but with new endorsers.
23:42 asciilifeform so in fact we had it.
23:42 mod6 "we heard you like email, so we put some email in your email..."
23:42 asciilifeform ( his modulus, that is. )
23:43 asciilifeform mod6: aha, the shitfest gotta die.
23:43 asciilifeform enough of the 'subkeys', 'endorsers', embedded photo (yes, makes for multi-100kB pubkeys) liquishit, devil knows what else.
23:44 mircea_popescu aah
23:45 mircea_popescu for a moment there i almost thought there's something wrong with phuctor.
23:46 mircea_popescu check that out, "oalug steering committee"
23:46 asciilifeform plenty of room for improvement in phuctor.
23:47 asciilifeform for instance : 0 orc glyph-bearing keys.
23:47 asciilifeform needs full depythonization, it does.
23:47 mircea_popescu really should just be stripped from C field.
23:47 asciilifeform can't strip, hash won't match.
23:47 asciilifeform and it happens long before it hits the c.
23:47 asciilifeform python per se actually barfs on encounter.
23:48 mircea_popescu heh
23:48 asciilifeform ( because it -- or at least python2 -- is married to 'string is 7bit ascii' )
23:48 asciilifeform ( python3 was pushed as 'fix' for this, but -- as iirc described in mircea_popescu's www -- never actually worked. )
23:58 mircea_popescu i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
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23:59 mircea_popescu to my shock the answer's not quite as directly obvious as one'd like.
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