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00:01 ben_vulpes http://mitbitcoinexpo.org/ << must be trolling at this point
~ 3 hours 13 minutes ~
03:14 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/merkel-gets-cocky-after-pantsuit-partys-macron-win-in-france/ << Qntra - Merkel Gets Cocky After Pantsuit Party's Macron Win In France
~ 6 hours 29 minutes ~
09:44 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...8839 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.82.75.19 (ssh-rsa key from 195.82.75.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
09:44 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E468EDC97CC088F25077DC85B339B8626D842EB699C9CA30D9CA969C6A3B9DE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...6433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.82.75.19 (ssh-rsa key from 195.82.75.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.datadienst.de. DE)
09:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662842 << ahahaha that shit's great, are you kidding me ?
09:58 a111 Logged on 2017-05-29 02:23 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/UG0yy << Failure to own up
09:59 mircea_popescu it's SO fucking stupid it stands all on its own.
10:00 mircea_popescu ahahaha "thought leader". wtf IS WITH THEIR FACES
10:01 mircea_popescu like humanized rat parade, what is this, dreamworks mit lab ?
10:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "comments on the campaign trailed followed"
10:05 shinohai If you neeced any more proof the whole MIT expo thing is just a troll .... "Doge Doggie" listed on page with the various other "Let's make Bitcoin liek Ethereum" scammers.
10:06 mircea_popescu heh
10:06 shinohai "All attendees received source code for a reddit tipbot that steals all user funds at a random date in the future."
10:06 mircea_popescu i think at this point the entirely scammy nature of mit is established beyond possible doubt.
10:07 * shinohai wonders if it wasn't Gavin dressed up in doge costume ....."
10:07 mircea_popescu lel
~ 16 minutes ~
10:24 shinohai !!up lounge-user
10:24 deedbot lounge-user voiced for 30 minutes.
10:39 mircea_popescu lol
~ 18 minutes ~
10:57 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/my-new-bitch-yellow-her-mom-played-da-cello/ << Trilema - My new bitch yellow ; her mom played da cello.
~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~
12:14 mod6 mornin'
12:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty fxd
12:21 mircea_popescu coo
12:21 mircea_popescu btw mod6 kickass work with the FG auditing, i gotta say.
12:25 mod6 thanks! last dieharder test is running now, actually.
~ 29 minutes ~
12:54 mod6 OK here are the results from a recollection of entropy (with 'fullblock') from FG #2: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run1.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run1.txt
12:55 mod6 So that should conclude the collections for now. I'll be putting some effort into some fg-anal sometime soon -- maybe nothing more than some basic facts extrapolated from the test results per collection and links to the raw results.
12:55 mod6 Anyway, we'll see. :]
13:10 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:10 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2258.95, vol: 10803.22069938 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2168.2, vol: 6266.49512 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2166.0, vol: 15220.45911157 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2152.026459, vol: 9493.01400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2218.005, vol: 4539.61942094 | Volume-weighted last average: 2190.20789198
13:11 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-fake-literature/ << Trilema - The fake literature
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13:35 ben_vulpes in which isis reign in the phillipines expaaands https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-isis-marawi-militant.html
13:49 mircea_popescu lmao wtf did they do, retrofitted air-ground missiles on medical helicopters ?
13:52 mircea_popescu "Hostilities erupted last week when the military and the police moved to arrest Isnilon Hapilon, the Islamic State’s anointed leader in the Philippines and head of an Abu Sayyaf faction."
13:52 mircea_popescu cool. state gotta learn this "arrest" business ain't all it's cracked up to be.
14:00 ben_vulpes globalization, also not all it's cracked up to be
14:01 mircea_popescu in other lulz, "Taboola adheres to the Digital Advertising Alliance Self-Regulatory Principles for Online Behavioral Advertising, a program run by the Digital Advertising Alliance and the Digital Advertising Alliance Canada with the goal of providing Internet users transparency and control."
14:01 mircea_popescu i am somewhat confused to see there's no consensus in there.
14:01 ben_vulpes ah, america. do you remember when you believed that 'terrorism' was a geographically constrained thing you could wage war on in a conventional fashion?
14:01 ben_vulpes shoulda listened to robb when you had the chance.
14:01 mircea_popescu robb stark ?
14:02 ben_vulpes john robb, pet dissenter in the 'small wars strategy' orbit of washington
14:03 mircea_popescu oh the early internet research dude
14:06 ben_vulpes i don't really know what you mean by early internet research dude
14:08 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes this john robb guy, kept a blog for a while about guerilla warfare whatever ; but before that he was with forrester research, kept doing pieces that were more cogent that most. re browser wars, re social me,dia, etc
14:08 mircea_popescu 90s.
14:09 mircea_popescu i think now he's turned towards a slightly more self-empowered version of lafond-ism, "structured communities" or somesuch.
14:10 ben_vulpes ah yeah. mhm, that's the one.
14:12 ben_vulpes "resilient" and "antifragile" are the shibboleths
14:14 mircea_popescu right right.
14:14 mircea_popescu not altogether a stupid idea in theory.
14:14 mircea_popescu an incredibly stupid idea in practice, because ~all it does is allow cheap double defection, which is pretty much suicidal in context.
14:21 ben_vulpes elaborate on cheap double defection?
14:24 mircea_popescu consider the more obvious / discussed in the logs case of "nuclear war preparedness". if you model the us cca 1960 as the existence of two tribes, type a which didn't believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter and type b which did believe there's imminent risk of nuclear winter, the fact that type b doctrine included "no need to separate from type a, we can just have some shit bolted on" allows random population member X
14:24 mircea_popescu the space to CLAIM appartenence to type b without actually incurring any of the cost.
14:25 mircea_popescu do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
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14:26 mircea_popescu basically, the agent defects from a to b and then defects from b back to a sort of "skeptical a".
14:26 mircea_popescu ~how the whole "ironic" bs got started.
14:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1048613 << check it out, meanwhile disappeared
14:30 a111 Logged on 2015-03-11 14:24 nubbins`: re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
14:33 mircea_popescu http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
14:33 Framedragger http://web.archive.org/web/20160311124607/http://ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg great feeling when the ~whole "web" experience is a matter of using third party archive providers to dig up shit that has dissolved hence
14:33 Framedragger :(
14:34 mircea_popescu wtf happened here, the site's still on, still SELLING the shit. what, they saw it linked from logs, and deleted it ?
14:35 Framedragger attempting to grok "causal structure" of "modern web" is recipe for madness, best to avoid!..
14:35 mircea_popescu "Our proprietary-engineered design makes our underground bunkers the strongest and safest on the market. We have revolutionized the underground bunker industry by placing our main structural frame on the inside to protect your family and belongings from moisture on the outside. Ghe exterior 1/4-thick steel skin is coated with Epoxy Coal Tar to guarantee your new 10 x 20 Underground Bunker will last a lifetime." this, of cours
14:35 mircea_popescu e, found on http://ultimatebunker.com/product/30-x-50-custom-underground-bunker/
14:36 mircea_popescu anyway, the ridiculous item in question reserved an immense space for "motorbike garage" and a tiny space for "aquaculture" in the shape of cubic foot fishtanks ; in same room, rabbit cages, same size.
14:36 mircea_popescu it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
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14:37 Framedragger !#s aquaponics
14:37 a111 7 results for "aquaponics", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=aquaponics
14:37 Framedragger never bothered to find out if there's any merit to that ^
14:37 mircea_popescu to what ?
14:38 Framedragger aquaponics - having a (umm) self-contained plant growth and fish system for food? i'm not even sure what it is. "save lots of space" is one of the arguments iirc
14:38 mircea_popescu well i mean what, in the general ? of course there's merit to it, that's how... earth works.
14:39 Framedragger (one example i've been sorta following is https://automicrofarm.com/ - they don't have much to show tho, not sure if ever will)
14:39 Framedragger heh, yeah, okay
14:39 mircea_popescu let me ask you this. what is the objective limit to the height of the roof ?
14:40 Framedragger how objective? like, armstrong limit objective?
14:40 mircea_popescu yes.
14:40 Framedragger so that, then. :) right, quite a bit of space for stacking, heh.
14:41 mircea_popescu point being : there's these inflection points, yes ? is there any merit to this "atmosphere indoors" notion ?
14:41 mircea_popescu depends how tall you build!
14:41 Framedragger hrm, yeah.
14:42 mircea_popescu now, is there any merit to armstrong roof ~in your closet~ ? no, there fucking isn't.
14:42 mircea_popescu "but what if i put it sideways"
14:43 mircea_popescu "i'm gonna construct an angle fiddler, it's clearly to do with the angle"
14:43 mircea_popescu etc.
14:44 mircea_popescu (for the innocent -- the reason armstrong limit is an abolute limit on the height of the roof is because by the time it rains in your room you can no longer claim to have a roof above it.)
~ 45 minutes ~
15:29 phf asciilifeform: i picked up that harakiri book, enjoying it so far
15:32 phf (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
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15:35 mod6 anyway, incase anyone cares, on openbsd once I connect my FG via USB-TTL, i was able to use device 'cuaU0' to read from the FG:
15:35 mod6 stty -f /dev/cuaU0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok
15:35 mod6 dd if=/dev/cuaU0 | hexdump -C
15:35 mod6 ... entropy
15:35 mod6 *PLEASE NOTE THE SMALL -f* instead of the analog capital F on linux machines.
15:37 mod6 ymmv as far as the device name... just thought this might help someone
15:39 mircea_popescu and in other impressive tightness, http://i.4cdn.org/b/1496086339138.webm
15:51 shinohai I see your impressive tightness and raise you 11-year-old virginal tightness ..... http://archive.is/m4JhF
15:52 shinohai "Stop teh rape!"
15:53 mircea_popescu eh, what is this retarded bullshit.
15:53 mircea_popescu o wait, more nytimes fake news ? mmkay.
15:56 ben_vulpes doesn't even mention which sect in particular
15:57 mircea_popescu the retarded bullshit, "here's a person for whom gatorade didn't work so now nobody may have any!"
15:58 mircea_popescu who can even take the libertard bullshit seriously ?
15:58 mircea_popescu there's more people dead through domestic electrocution than there's underage-married-girls dead through domestic abuse. BAN ELECTRICITY IN THE HOME!!11
15:59 phf i believe that's already been propose in the log
16:00 mircea_popescu oh, i should also consider prior art before doing my girlscout project ?!
16:02 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649283
16:02 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
16:03 mircea_popescu :p
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16:55 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-27#1662730 << trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#comment-122136
16:55 a111 Logged on 2017-05-27 12:23 mircea_popescu: i'm not bad, writing scathing religious tract, kinda curious if danielpbarron won't like me anymore after he reads it.
16:57 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661728 << Boom at Pilot's Point in Westbrook, The Chelsea in Fairfield, Little Pub in Greenwich
16:57 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 14:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661639 << wait, in ~connecticut~ ? they have pretty decent restaurants there, which were the top 3 ?
16:59 danielpbarron i could mention some deli-style places with really good food: Harborview Market in Bridgeport, and Mindy K's in Old Saybrook
16:59 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661693 << thought i had it configured to chop up. not sure what happened there
16:59 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 14:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
17:03 mircea_popescu danielpbarron your comment got cut ?
17:05 mircea_popescu anyway, the only restaurant i ever saw in ct was something weirdly named in the middle of hartford.
17:06 mircea_popescu afaik j-l gerin also either made or was making some model restaurant but i never chased it.
17:11 danielpbarron i forgot a " on my trilema comment, unrelated to the "chop up" mentioned above
17:12 mircea_popescu But consider instead that Christ was <
17:12 danielpbarron yeah there. I posted the rest in another comment which is pending moderation
17:12 mircea_popescu ah ok
17:13 danielpbarron i stick to shoreline CT. don't know much about things up north. been to hartford maybe a couple times
17:14 mircea_popescu on20 it was.
17:26 mircea_popescu and there were also a bunch of germanz doing their take of french cuisine etc. but anyway.
~ 43 minutes ~
18:10 danielpbarron !!up erlehmann
18:10 deedbot erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
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19:06 * asciilifeform back at his station nao
19:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662933 << correct b00k, phf . was most interesting imho re its discussion of the ~debasement~ of proper seppuku.
19:09 a111 Logged on 2017-05-29 19:32 phf: (actually i'm not sure if it's the right book, but i got "hara-kiri: japanese ritual suicide" by jack stewart)
19:09 asciilifeform how it slowly went to shit.
19:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662911 << moar of an elementary 'those who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense" (tm)(r)(vonneumann)
19:15 a111 Logged on 2017-05-29 18:36 mircea_popescu: it's a level of superficial idiocy that can't be matched outside of these double-defection situations, for which it is typical in the exact way stench is typical of filth.
19:15 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
19:15 asciilifeform well, d00dz who don't bother to figure out, how many joules of light even hit the 'garden', even supposing more than a few % ended up in food...
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19:16 asciilifeform ( this re the indoor gardening bit. it is not difficult to try it, the surest cure for 'bunker garden' notion is to try the indoor tomato thing )
19:17 asciilifeform now if somebody coughed up a doctored ~efficient~ mod of RuBisCO...
19:17 mircea_popescu ah, yes. but the thing is -- the clueless could in principle be clueless about anything in any way, and on the basis of such simple model you'd expect normal distribution, with most not doing anything in particular. whereas the theory here is that ellaborate nonsense is always driven by this situation when a broken ideology encounters a weak reformist group and then idiots end up double-defecting, once into the reformists and
19:17 mircea_popescu once out.
19:17 asciilifeform i have nfi whether this applies to the bunker aficionados
19:17 asciilifeform afaik they could be earnest believers in the postapocalyptic value of the harley.
19:18 asciilifeform because watched 'mad max'.
19:18 mircea_popescu but the point is that their temple will never be put to the test.
19:19 asciilifeform how much this even changes when it ~is~ put to test ? e.g. the folx during the plague who carried around paper talisman, word 'arsenicum' (because obtaining actual arsenic for talisman costs a little more..)
19:19 mircea_popescu similar example, say, "homeopathy", is a level of complexity in nonsense inexplicable on the basis of simple dynamics. but the necessary requisite for its appearance is very good general health services -- then people can afford to "not trust doctors" and "practice alternative medicine" but in the sense of... not really practicing anythinbg in particular.
19:19 asciilifeform (or fast forward to modern ameristan and antiterrorist talismans)
19:19 mircea_popescu they have that ?
19:19 asciilifeform aha, in every airport
19:19 mircea_popescu "don't bomb me, i have two wives" ?
19:20 mircea_popescu ah lol.
19:20 mircea_popescu to my eyes that's still a match : inasmuch as there's no actual terrorists actually bothering with it, the "dept of homeland security" may continue to departmentr of homeland securitize about.
19:20 mircea_popescu if there were actual selective pressure, it'd change or disappear. but there isn't.
19:20 asciilifeform aaaah yes this
19:21 mircea_popescu so basically, in that example, people defecterd from vhs-america, through creating "tough on terrorism" pantsuiterica. but then ALSO defected from that, because really.
19:21 mircea_popescu leaving behind the present situation, meaningful to no one and effectual in no way.
19:21 asciilifeform or consider the elaborate dog&pony show of ameri-courts. also works strictly in absence of much serious organized uppitiness.
19:22 asciilifeform ( in the contrary, there would be 'troikas' instead of courts presided over by preet )
19:22 mircea_popescu right, the law became complex as interest in legality plumeted.
19:24 mircea_popescu basically, to the original point, this "soft alternative" approach to a present problem is a transcription of the bikeshed approach to decision making.
19:24 asciilifeform believe or not, i do not know the story behind the infamous 'bike shed'
19:24 asciilifeform why is it called so
19:24 mircea_popescu "are you with the mainstream or with the resilient communities ?" "oh, we're ~seeing past that~". etc.
19:25 mircea_popescu i thought it was a literal case of a bike shed becoming the sink of discussion.
19:25 asciilifeform yes but how does the legend go. where, and why, did this take place
19:25 mircea_popescu something with a nuke plant
19:26 mircea_popescu !~google parkinson bike shed
19:26 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Parkinson's Law of Triviality - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality>; Wikipedia:Avoid Parkinson's Bicycle Shed Effect - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%2527s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect>; bikeshedding - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding>
19:26 asciilifeform 'The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%27".' << lel
19:26 asciilifeform aah lolk
19:27 asciilifeform fictional, then, story.
19:27 mircea_popescu well yeah. the terminology of the proponent.
19:27 asciilifeform but familiar to anyone who ever met 'web d00d' who spent a year on colours and 'styleshit' and 0 on mechanics
19:34 ben_vulpes excellent sink of 'investor' attention
19:34 ben_vulpes "i just don't think it pops enough yet"
19:35 asciilifeform theoretically one could distinguish the cases of this caused by organic stupidity of the one doing it, from when it is done with cold calculation, to bamboozle investor/customer/misc. idiot
19:38 mircea_popescu how ?
19:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes every time i hear the "pop" nonsense i think of the guy with the dropshadows. makes the font pop right off the page!
19:43 ben_vulpes have we tried it with 3d fonts yet?
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20:00 mircea_popescu someone should make fonts with coocoos coming out
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20:36 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/ << Trilema - Re-reading is the most powerful tool...
20:49 mod6 evenin'
20:52 shinohai o/ mod6
21:05 * mod6 doing some reporting
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22:12 mircea_popescu !!up SucksToBeFree
22:12 deedbot SucksToBeFree voiced for 30 minutes.
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22:44 asciilifeform https://archive.is/5yAWU << in other ad-hoc bioengineering.
22:45 asciilifeform 'Detectives said he used an Army surgical kit that contained a scalpel, lidocaine, medical dressing, and other medical equipment.'
22:45 mircea_popescu what is the charge, practicing identity politics without a dnc permit ?
22:46 shinohai Just nature removing the less desirable from the gene pool.
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