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00:15 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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00:29 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/finding-optimum/ << Trilema - Finding Optimum
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01:16 BingoBoingo lol-ow standards http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/10/report-only-36-of-indian-coders-can-write-compilable-code/
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01:53 mircea_popescu 36 total ?
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02:21 BingoBoingo Allegedly percent, but perhaps total?
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02:47 BingoBoingo !!up Avarice_
02:47 deedbot Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
02:47 BingoBoingo Hello Avarice_
02:47 Avarice_ Hello.
02:47 BingoBoingo Who is your daddy and what does he do?
02:59 Avarice_ My good friend fbar wishes to pledge himself to Mircea
03:00 mircea_popescu lol wut ?
03:00 mircea_popescu !!up jpt4
03:00 deedbot jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
03:00 mircea_popescu !!up fbar
03:00 deedbot fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
03:01 jpt4 Greetings, Herr Popescu.
03:01 fbar not yet
03:01 fbar I can not commit
03:01 mircea_popescu ello.
03:02 Avarice_ you will finish your phd soon
03:02 fbar And well met Herr Popescu
03:02 Avarice_ after then right?
03:02 fbar I just found the site
03:02 fbar and heard maybe a paragraph worth of explanation from jpt4
03:02 fbar maybe 2 months ago
03:02 mircea_popescu what site ?
03:02 fbar trilema.com
03:03 BingoBoingo jpt4 and fbar Who is your daddy and what does he do???
03:03 mircea_popescu ah
03:03 fbar at first I assumed he was referring to a twitter user with the handle of Duke actually
03:03 fbar who seems to enjoy magic tricks
03:04 Avarice_ Fbar is in need of lordship to justify his existence
03:04 fbar And my advisor will free me soon enough
03:06 jpt4 La Serenissima is one of the few institutions capable of accepting, and worthy of demanding, a sincere oath of loyalty.
03:06 fbar An oath given freely is worth as much
03:07 mircea_popescu an oath huh.
03:07 BingoBoingo Faith without works is dead
03:09 jpt4 Mr. Popescu has not shied from testing potential allies in the past.
03:10 jpt4 I recall his video poker challenge to Urbit some years ago.
03:10 mircea_popescu oh yeah huh. i recall it too.
03:10 jpt4 Give fbar a test.
03:11 mircea_popescu why can't fbar start by adding his key and doing something useful like everyone else ?
03:15 BingoBoingo Surely there's a courthouse or college campus that needs 3+ cubic yards of fresh uncomposted horse manure for the lulz. I'd rate such a delivery a +2 *if only there were a key to attribute it to*
03:16 mircea_popescu i'm going to bed. will read the proceeds of the #trilema invasion in the morning, keep it sprightly.
03:17 BingoBoingo So, gentlemen. Propose your tests
03:17 BingoBoingo !!up Avarice_
03:17 deedbot Avarice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
03:19 jpt4 What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
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03:21 BingoBoingo Well, horse manure delivered to tax offices, delivery of microchip fab to Jamaica, etc. The gamut of useful things is wide and long, but also dark
03:21 jpt4 Assist us to peer into the shadows.
03:22 jpt4 Fab of what die resolution?
03:22 BingoBoingo Well, design a coat of arms, make some flags and play capture the park against some rangers?
03:22 jpt4 https://www.army.mil/ranger/ ?
03:23 BingoBoingo jpt4: That's a question for the lord alf of Beedog
03:23 BingoBoingo The park rangers, like those patriots in Oregon did last year
03:23 jpt4 QSL.
03:23 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/10/all-militia-heroes-of-oregon-liberation-acquitted-by-jury-in-federal-court/
03:24 BingoBoingo Or from earlier in those lulz http://qntra.net/2016/01/usg-makes-tired-sheriff-face-of-oregon-operations/
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03:41 BingoBoingo !!up jpt4
03:41 deedbot jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
03:41 BingoBoingo !!up fbar
03:41 deedbot fbar voiced for 30 minutes.
03:41 BingoBoingo brb, sleep
03:41 BingoBoingo It works when you work it
03:42 jpt4 We are swiftly rectifying fbar's unauthenticated anonymity.
03:44 fbar I registered
03:44 fbar and am in the web of trust
03:50 BingoBoingo Have you been rated by anyone?
03:51 fbar no
03:53 BingoBoingo Well, then you aren't webbed in trust you. You are simply a point that can be webbed.
03:54 fbar apologies, jpt4 is still explaining things to me
03:55 BingoBoingo !!gettrust jpt4
03:55 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
03:55 diana_coman fbar, jpt4 make a text client for Eulora
03:56 BingoBoingo ah
03:56 BingoBoingo I have been relieved, ty diana_coman
03:56 BingoBoingo brb, sleep
03:56 diana_coman night night BingoBoingo
03:56 jpt4 Acknowledged, diana_coman.
03:56 jpt4 Auf Wiedersehen.
03:56 diana_coman you might want to check out #eulora too and the game itself anyway
03:58 fbar !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/C9jh6/?raw=true
03:58 deedbot BFEB1BB933BDE6C6F00C7A9956B9B11D967BCB16 registered as fbar.
04:01 fbar I'll read about eulora
04:02 diana_coman cool; read, ask, join, do
04:06 fbar Bye All!
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04:37 diana_coman !!up jpt4
04:37 deedbot jpt4 voiced for 30 minutes.
04:37 diana_coman !!up Avarice`
04:37 deedbot Avarice` voiced for 30 minutes.
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06:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
06:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
06:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
06:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6A62696B656653402759498A68587377998E23A690CAFE8ADAB4F44B45D3F45B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1138...3267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.57 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
06:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C7F3B7E0DAE66CA1639E61130850A4A80F876A94C17622346EA9606F89A96F46 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8923...6933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
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07:15 shinohai Holy shit the logs this morning.
07:29 Framedragger "programmatically pandering approval eigenstates" haha awesome BingoBoingo :)
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07:51 shinohai !~later tell jpt4 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654386 <<< I personally keep losing boats with shipments full of tits. Find the individuals responsible, return my tits, and surely you shall be rewarded.
07:51 a111 Logged on 2017-05-11 07:19 jpt4: What actions beneficial to Trilema et al, and visible enough to cross the ocean, are there to be performed?
07:51 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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10:49 BingoBoingo Framedragger: To be fair click the link on "FBI Director and a JWZ" and read the Trilema that appears in your browser
10:50 Framedragger ah :)
10:52 BingoBoingo It's what one does when they are a JWZ, It's a natural milestone on the walk of "just wanting to"
11:06 mircea_popescu !!key fbar
11:06 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/BFEB1BB933BDE6C6F00C7A9956B9B11D967BCB16.asc
11:10 mircea_popescu !!key jpt4
11:10 deedbot Not registered.
11:13 mircea_popescu !!rate fbar 1 I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
11:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HxJGS/?raw=true
11:13 mircea_popescu !!v E3D8DBFDDA70532B451D4D988CFFA2423A15577FFAE95C3197A1B8D5B1A8722D
11:13 deedbot mircea_popescu rated fbar 1 << I dunno, some kid being anony-cool on twitter.
11:16 mircea_popescu ^ http://twitter.com/akekmememorph for the curious. clever see, cuz kek and meme and stuff. and ironic. and everything. you should prolly date him.
11:27 trinque what the hell was all that
11:27 mircea_popescu teenage hijinks ?
11:27 trinque guess so eh
11:27 mircea_popescu but in further wtf of today : http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/01/noam-chomsky-killed-aaron-swartz.html
11:28 mircea_popescu with the mention that i absolutely don't see his point re chomsky ; but i do see his point re... himself.
11:29 mircea_popescu why's them ghetto folk need to feel & be this contorted, really ? he's going to write a piece to confess imaginary crimes he summoned up for the circumstance which do not exist for any other reason than to try and misrepresent into their opposite his actual feelings about his misconstrued notions of a third party ?
11:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja even read the linked item ?
11:32 mircea_popescu "i think chomsky is really cool because i imagine chomsky to be this guy who is read worldwide and got really rich out of feeding people ''''alt-blue pills in a red coating''' (yes i'm aware this is nonsense, but it is also easy reference to a by now readily understood brand of nonsense this particular idiot club deals in) and i wanna be just like him!!1" becomes "here's some random '''nobody said them so they'll get said bec
11:32 mircea_popescu ause it's online and we gotta compete on wordage''' items about current event which i'ma misrepresent as somewhow related to me really really hating the chomsky guy i really look up to for the reasons i actually look up to him, notwithstanding the whole pile exists only in my too-lazy-to-actually-read and too-eager-to-imagine-i-got-it-at-first-sentence''' dumber-than-rocks '''child prodigy''' head"
11:32 mircea_popescu wtf. and what the fuck is a "child prodigy" even!
11:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. the basis of the comment is me reading the whole "Shaft in plato cave" nonsense.
11:32 mircea_popescu (without, of course, references or anything. child prodigy is child prodigy!11")
11:32 asciilifeform chomsky is in fact a leftist darling, powered by 50yr. vintage academitard cred
11:33 mircea_popescu this is true. but this is not what he says.
11:33 mircea_popescu chomsky is, also, for opening bids, the only guy who pointed out what mp pointed out re joe stack. yes his version of "sops, you're cutting the branch you're sitting on" is neither as cogent, articulated, useful or descriptive as mine. but this is because he is old, comparatively stupid and comparatively uncultured.
11:34 mircea_popescu nevertheless, you're now stuck reconciling this item where this lefty darling sees the right perspective.
11:34 mircea_popescu and says it. wut do ?
11:34 asciilifeform tame oppositioner ( a la zhirinovsky ) - typical
11:35 mircea_popescu your stance is that this can be just assumed about anyone any time ?
11:35 asciilifeform no, not anyone.
11:35 mircea_popescu a tribunal made of alf and working on alf principle as above, would hang alf for... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654187
11:35 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 16:34 asciilifeform: right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
11:36 mircea_popescu yes, maybe he speaks half truths because reasons. maybe he's just not bright enough to go further ?
11:36 asciilifeform but simple observation that ~actual~ oppositioner will not be permitted mansions and titles inside the reich he is nominally opposing.
11:36 mircea_popescu this matter may be examined, like any matter, but the examination is neither substantiated nor concluded by the one sentence "coach sandusky had nothing on him". where are the fucking examples, notes, etcetera ?
11:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i got mansions and whatever the fuck.
11:37 asciilifeform in usa?!
11:37 mircea_popescu dude, that is a matter of MY choice.
11:37 mircea_popescu if i felt like buying in flordia, i'd have mansions in florida.
11:37 mircea_popescu and if i felt like doing a phd with whoevere the fuck, i'd have that, also.
11:38 asciilifeform this from 'won't go to usa without an army' mircea_popescu
11:38 mircea_popescu it wasn't "usa won't take me without an army", asciilifeform .
11:38 asciilifeform you can represent this as a choice, but it is disingenuous and i gotta go change gas mask canister
11:38 mircea_popescu you can't be fucking serious ?!
11:40 mircea_popescu let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like ; b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least,
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11:40 mircea_popescu salvage some statal dignity for the state.
11:41 asciilifeform that was before bitcoin, neh
11:41 mircea_popescu so ?
11:41 mircea_popescu dude, bitcoin is a life changing event for everyone else.
11:42 mircea_popescu i was still mp before bitcoin, just a) you had no way to summon the interest and b) i had no interest to you know, maintain an irc connection like the link with the chest of the covenant.
11:42 asciilifeform incidentally plenty of ro folx in usa. asciilifeform met them for first time, there !
11:43 mircea_popescu in fact, my interest in computers at the time was comparable with your interest in machine guns today. a little bit of history and occasionally maybe have one in the house.
11:43 asciilifeform that's healthy
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but usually on work visas / no visas / 6 months tourist visas etc.
11:45 asciilifeform other thing - going to usa isn't hard; even visa isn't hard ; ~anyone can buy 'green card' for half a mil $ or what was it.
11:45 asciilifeform except for mircea_popescu -- him, they would invite in for free! for life-long residence, lol
11:45 asciilifeform problem is getting ~out~ of usa, not in.
11:45 mircea_popescu well apparently by your theory not anyone with half a mil.
11:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654291 << example. v. bout had considerably moar than half mil. it bought him 25 yr visa in usa.
11:47 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 19:34 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, chomski is getting out of usa about as much as gromyko
11:48 phf` i suspect americans know of chomsky because he's got a funny name. like zizhek or solzhenitcin. if you can pronounce it correctly you're probably also into opera and appreciating wine
11:49 mircea_popescu phf` this is true ; but the way he got there was through saying all sorts of weird/taboo things over 30 or so years.
11:49 mircea_popescu now, obviously any bureaucracy aka club of the intellectually lazy will secrete insulating cocoon around such a fellow, in the shape of "oh, he's the delegated weirdsayer".
11:50 mircea_popescu any "good family" girl in her 20s knows so much, to preciously pretend like "oh, uncle joe, he's always ~so~ controversial". which makes me take the cane in hand and leave her some memories.
11:50 mircea_popescu to the outrage of the old bitties. "oh noe, susanna! he beat her! but she's so smart and cultivated and independent and o noes"
11:50 mircea_popescu doh.
11:56 mircea_popescu now, to sum this up -- it's not that i'm a huge chomski fan or anything ; but it is that if the scaffolding were build up in stanford square and the guillotine ready, i'd have serious problem signing off on chomski ; and some obscure dudes in the sciences depts.
11:56 mircea_popescu a la brin say.
12:04 phf` i appreciate chomsky, he gave me a useful analytical tool of considering social and economic dynamic systems in terms of dependency graphs (which doesn't necessarily preclude lizard hitler, but allows for wider range of topologies that includes lizard hitler along all others)
12:06 phf` i think that my initial dissatisfaction with socialism was partially due to chomsky: a flat graph of equal weights with nodes all alike
12:07 phf` with "manufacturing consent" being one of the implications
12:07 mircea_popescu it is not directly evident that chomski is in any meaningful sense socialist. ideologically, intellectually, how'd you like it.
12:07 mircea_popescu he's, basically, a jew.
12:09 mircea_popescu the equivalent'd be to propose i'm vulgar because hey, i do the whole "damn... well, basically they fuck, but it was absolutely splendid in verse" schtick so therefore. except the intelligent can't actually be vulgar ; or for that matter socialist.
12:13 mircea_popescu (the two aren't even distinct. to belong to the lower classes aesthetically or intellectually, what the fuck's the difference.)
12:13 asciilifeform actually asciilifeform was at one time quite fond of chomsky
12:13 mircea_popescu what soured it ?
12:13 asciilifeform but asciilifeform was also fond of zhirinovsky, and of limonov, et al
12:14 mircea_popescu well, what's the alternative, "of a good man - i am fond twice, of a bad man - not even once" ?
12:14 asciilifeform and to be fair i have nothing with which to counter mircea_popescu's 'he's the real deal, but they built an immunological cocoon around'im' hypothesis.
12:14 mircea_popescu gotta be fond till learn better.
12:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform real deal of what though ?
12:15 asciilifeform dunno what to call it -- honest intellectuals ?
12:15 mircea_popescu i mean, consider -- the nazis did not think so much of the various romanian/ukrainian/polish courts. and their agitprop did say they you know, lure german girls there to fuck!!11
12:15 mircea_popescu can you see ancient rabbi fucking german 12 yo even were she willing ?
12:16 mircea_popescu seems to me he's ~ a modernist reflection of the pre ww2 court system. blaming him for having a postwar reinterpretation of a rabbiniucal court seems rather strange.
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13:05 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:05 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1867.95, vol: 13642.71317971 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1795.9, vol: 8660.48754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1886.2, vol: 23685.67742273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1865.707, vol: 6248.73754329 | Volume-weighted last average: 1864.01145055
13:10 asciilifeform in other not-quite-noose, http://www.falcon-net.org << usg '1000X faster! bitcoin backbone!' chumpnet
13:11 asciilifeform '...application-level cut-through routing. This technique effectively decouples the speed of disseminating blocks from the size of the network...' didjaknow.
13:11 asciilifeform usg.cornell.
13:11 trinque it's fast; see this train.
13:11 asciilifeform that train looks standin' still to me!111
13:11 trinque imagine a train for your blocks and you've got it.
13:11 trinque asciilifeform: gotta shake your head vigorously for it to work
13:12 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648749 << this groove wears deeper and deeper
13:12 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 18:50 mircea_popescu: the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born.
13:12 asciilifeform 'we lost on mining, let's leverage control of the telecoms, TeroristBlox will go as slow as we want, CornellBlox will go at the expected speed on the wire'
13:13 shinohai ^ Falcon is one of The Siren's pet projects iirc
13:13 asciilifeform shinohai: what's that
13:14 shinohai My name For E. Gün Sirer ... his "team" developed that turd.
13:14 asciilifeform 'FEATURES ... Reduced orphan rate ... Less wasted miner effort' << naturally they pitch it to miners
13:14 shinohai Also some shit called "covenants"
13:14 asciilifeform 'mine Only Nonterrorist Tx, win!11'
13:14 shinohai (supposedly deters BTC theft)
13:15 shinohai http://hackingdistributed.com/tag/bitcoin-ng/ <<< see also
13:16 asciilifeform if you believe the heathen chart ('bitnodes'), 'falcon' mega-relay-network etc has ~same number of nodes as... their count of trb.
13:22 BingoBoingo In other things, sync test is now within 1500 blox
13:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what kind of test was this ?
13:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 2009 intel syncing in wild on spinning rust. Started in December
13:24 asciilifeform holy shit that's slow
13:25 asciilifeform wtf is the point, thing will never keep up with blox in real time
13:25 BingoBoingo This is why test/experiment!
13:26 asciilifeform also ftr imho 'sync in the wild' is a waste of time, it simply doesn't work, 'wild' contains ~no nodes that actually serve old blox on request.
13:26 asciilifeform it syncs when hits a fellow trb by accident and that's mostly it.
13:26 trinque we'll find out; I'm gonna spin up one here now
13:26 trinque on teh apu2
13:27 * trinque a little sad to find the thing's neutered, but the updated infectious genbootstrap will work as well on the other, or any other device with kernel module tweaking
13:27 trinque ^ forthcoming
13:27 asciilifeform incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
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13:27 asciilifeform list by #.
13:27 trinque shits fully functional de-dbus'd gentoo onto block device, copies itself in
13:28 asciilifeform 'block 4xxxxx : ip p.q.r.s, node advertised 'whatever 9.9.9'', etc
13:28 mircea_popescu trinque iinteresting
13:28 trinque musltronic even.
13:28 asciilifeform trinque: what didja use for a kernel ?
13:29 trinque didn't use an old vintage, but nothing prevents it. do you have a preference?
13:29 asciilifeform trinque: not as such. was wondering for which iron did you leave drivers in.
13:29 asciilifeform this was the principal obstacle when i tried 'infectious gentoo' concept
13:29 trinque I boot with modules, do localyesconfig, then reboot with that product
13:29 asciilifeform you end up with either massive hog kernel 'with everything', or with a thing married to particular iron
13:30 trinque yeh thing can prune itself now.
13:30 asciilifeform neato
13:30 asciilifeform post it trinque
13:30 trinque shall
13:30 asciilifeform i'd like to try myself.
13:30 danielpbarron i would like this too
13:30 * asciilifeform has two apu1 boxen ready to roll
13:30 * danielpbarron has 4 boxes ready
13:31 trinque saturday all day's going to be my catch-up day for this and other things
13:35 asciilifeform meanwhile, https://archive.is/83lMS >> HP winblowz boxen, turns out, ship with keylogger in sound card driver.
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13:39 asciilifeform 'Conexant's MicTray64.exe is installed with the Conexant audio driver package and registered as a Microsoft Scheduled Task to run after each user login. The program monitors all keystrokes made by the user to capture and react to functions such as microphone mute/unmute keys/hotkeys. Monitoring of keystrokes is added by implementing a low-level keyboard input hook [1] function that is installed by calling SetwindowsHookEx
13:39 asciilifeform (). In addition to the handling of hotkey/function key strokes, all key-scancode information [2] is written into a logfile in a world-readable path (C:\Users\Public\MicTray.log)...'
13:43 asciilifeform trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not'
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13:45 trinque only modules I'm even going to have it build in the first place are those involving block devices, network cards (eth), usb controllers
13:45 trinque then afaik those do not load absent the hardware
13:45 trinque folks want more modules, kernel source shall be sitting right there after the thing's booted
13:45 asciilifeform plenty of 'meta' modules (i.e. not iron-specific) without which it is questionable that you have a usable box. for instance, TUN.
13:46 asciilifeform ( needed by iptables )
13:48 trinque perhaps. you see firewalling as superior to shipping with "nothing but ssh shall be listening, and if you change this, caveat luser" ?
13:49 trinque at any rate totally willing to hear a list of modules you see everyone should have.
13:49 asciilifeform i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless.
13:49 asciilifeform problem ?
13:50 asciilifeform my contention is that this functionality should never have been modularized / seen as optional.
13:50 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654561 << i like it. pete_dushenski, thoughts?
13:50 a111 Logged on 2017-05-11 17:27 asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
13:50 trinque reasonable. what else?
13:51 trinque what I'd oppose is say, "and what if folks want to use it as a router, or NAS, or hair-net"
13:51 trinque well fuck, learn what you need and go recompile kernel
13:52 trinque iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot
13:52 trinque I still expect them to do something themselves after first boot
13:52 danielpbarron i got my first booted on first try yesterday
13:52 trinque this thing shits down a userland fs, kernel, lilo, and so long / thanks for teh fish
13:53 danielpbarron now the same machine won't emerge sys-devel/gdb ... but it runs eulora! without window manager!
13:53 asciilifeform trinque: on some boxes, 'first boot' is trivial. on others, not. for instance, my 3ware raid boxen won't load even 1 block after boot loader without the correct mod.
13:53 trinque this was why "apu2" as standard example box
13:53 asciilifeform ( there isn't, i will add, a 'lowest common denominator' solution for those. )
13:53 trinque sadly now I find the debugger port I saw on it doesn't do dick.
13:54 trinque but this may not be a problem for noobs, worth arguing
13:54 trinque apu2 will sit down a node, run their weechat or w/e
13:54 asciilifeform trinque: apu2 will run a node. so would a slightly cheaper intel box, and with - turns out - same amount of 'nsa inside'.
13:54 trinque this is superior imho to Framedragger's hosted idea
13:55 trinque asciilifeform: sure, but you don't get the "this particular gentoo recipe SHALL WORK" without *some* standard box
13:55 asciilifeform apu1 was the imho interesting box -- the first, afaik, and only truly usable workstation x64 with PUBLISHED mobo schematics
13:55 asciilifeform but it is not long for this world. i looked yesterday, it is still offered for sale, but who knows for how long.
13:56 trinque worthwhile I think to define a noob-box of some standard which can be yet purchased.
13:56 asciilifeform 'gizmo2' is a slightly moar 'human' box, it has hdmi port even
13:56 asciilifeform and presoldered sage header. (doesn't come with a sage box, however, unlike 'gizmo1')
13:56 asciilifeform otherwise identical chipset, and same one as apu1
13:56 asciilifeform also comes with schematics.
13:57 asciilifeform but only 1G of ram.
13:57 * trinque has the gizmo and sage sitting here too
13:57 asciilifeform so i hesitate to say 'workstation'.
13:57 trinque thing is, this recipe shall work provided a particular kernel config for particular box
13:57 asciilifeform theoretically if you could source the chipset, you could have an equivalent box made, but with dimm slots
13:57 trinque but I don't want to overcomplicate things or this will be another round of "gentoo does not work"
13:57 asciilifeform that'd be something.
13:58 trinque worthwhile to at least get folks carting around their own copy of various distfiles eh? get them off the debian apt servers and so on.
13:58 trinque ^ main point of the thing, script shall shit down distfiles
13:58 trinque and not grab from the net
13:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless << why the heck.
14:00 mircea_popescu trinque> iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot << nah, getting it to correctly use video without taking more in babysitting timevalue than the box cost in the first place. which means < 1 hr.
14:02 trinque same method would apply, but since my own needs begin with headless boxen, started there.
14:02 asciilifeform video works either immediately (pre-obummer cards, approximately) or never (i count 'with closed blob driver package' as == 'never')
14:02 trinque could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig
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14:03 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:03 mircea_popescu still, apu1 with pre-checked gentoo install as a commodity router/webserver is sound approach.
14:03 * asciilifeform quite fond of those things. THREE (!) GBe nics.
14:04 asciilifeform plus a proper (rs232 signal level) serial port.
14:04 asciilifeform and this in a box the size of, approx, vhs tape.
14:04 mod6 lel
14:04 mircea_popescu maybe we should give trinque shares, box the apu1, sell TMSR router/webserver/mailserver
14:04 asciilifeform main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
14:05 asciilifeform single-source item with dwindling supply.
14:05 mircea_popescu worked ok for those dorks, recall, the guy didn't wanna talk to us ?
14:05 asciilifeform which one?
14:05 mircea_popescu soldered a raspi inside a pizza carton, sold as "nofucks" or somesuch
14:06 asciilifeform not an example to be imitated, imho.
14:06 mircea_popescu why not ?
14:06 asciilifeform asciilifeform will never be able to in good conscience sign off on the extant GB NICs as auditable items.
14:06 mircea_popescu the apu's ?
14:07 asciilifeform such as.
14:07 mircea_popescu why not ?
14:07 asciilifeform they won't even warn up without $mysteryblob.
14:07 asciilifeform *warm
14:07 asciilifeform !#s realtek
14:07 a111 32 results for "realtek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=realtek
14:07 mircea_popescu so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
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14:08 asciilifeform the cpu
14:08 asciilifeform and the fact that the mb schematic was actually published ( this is unspeakably untypical )
14:08 mircea_popescu i see/
14:08 asciilifeform plus the working sage plug.
14:08 mircea_popescu so then, main weakness of apu is that it is useless for networking.
14:09 mircea_popescu not that considerations about supplyu chain.
14:09 asciilifeform ( there are 3 known boards with these, at least considering only ones that you can actually BUY : apu1; gizmo1; and gizmo2 . afaik . )
14:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: by same token ALL known GBe nics are just as useless, yes
14:09 asciilifeform but separate issue is that amd discontinued the sage-able G-series cpu.
14:09 asciilifeform a certain qty of them -- remains in stock, in various places.
14:09 asciilifeform after that -- fin.
14:11 trinque dunno that one's weechat box *ought* to have any expectation of security/privacy
14:11 trinque not like I keep my keys on mine.
14:11 trinque it's less a bedroom and more pissing off the balcony
14:11 asciilifeform trinque: by that token, can just buy intel's single chip toy box etc
14:11 mircea_popescu but by this reasoning just run windows on it.
14:11 asciilifeform ^
14:12 trinque I don't see how that follows.
14:12 asciilifeform the value of apu1, or gizmo, etc is not 'cheap node box'
14:12 asciilifeform it DOESN'T win on that score
14:12 mircea_popescu if the idea is "this stove is not intended to work as a gun" then you can't justify buying lens clearing fluid for the stove's scope.
14:12 asciilifeform costs considerably more, and often hard to get ( the swiss d00dz make'em in batches, i had to wait ~month for mine back when i got it ) than konsoomer crud
14:12 trinque the reason we have *nothing* on this front is the conversation goes "there are no nics"
14:12 trinque yes, well known by now.
14:13 trinque and also other things
14:13 mircea_popescu yeah, the nic issue gotta be addressed already.
14:13 asciilifeform trinque: one nice thing is that the apu1 had 3 pci-m holes. so if a proper nic existed, you could potentially install it.
14:13 mircea_popescu honestly i'd feel happier with random hp box behind proper nic than with special-gentoo-special-raspberypi with rotm realtek/whatever
14:13 trinque apu2 has 3 also
14:14 asciilifeform the unfortunate bit is that 1) afaik it does not exist . 2) the idiot pc architecture gives your nic - regardless of who made it -- access to ALL OF RAM
14:14 asciilifeform trinque: right. apu2 has a fritzed cpu however.
14:14 asciilifeform which makes firmware dev problematic.
14:14 asciilifeform ( how the hell did anyone even port coreboot to apu2 ?? )
14:14 mircea_popescu so tmsr computing wishlist goes a) ram insulating motherboard ; b) fully open nic to fuckgoats standards.
14:15 trinque I dunno what strategic sense it makes to as yet have no mechanical way to stamp out a full trb node
14:15 trinque and have all the excited teenagers stick them everywhere
14:15 trinque meanwhile yes fixing computing still.
14:15 asciilifeform ditch the 'insulators'. asciilifeform asks for 1 thing and 1 thing only hardwarewise -- massive open fpga, coupled to dram slots.
14:15 asciilifeform that's it.
14:15 mircea_popescu meh.
14:16 asciilifeform no magical whatevers, just basic clay out of which to make the comp.
14:16 mircea_popescu no, have motherboard design where the "dma" is a specified bank, and the cpu ram is a different bank ; and let it call whichever it specifically wants.
14:16 trinque and what of teenagers being expendable and this being a vastly undertapped resource?
14:16 trinque this is not asciilifeform's firmware dev env
14:16 asciilifeform how to architect fpga box is separate conversation, and iirc mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on it.
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is not this conversation.
14:16 trinque what do they use it on, running weed around and whatnot
14:17 asciilifeform but basic idea -- nothing other than fpga machine conforms to 'auditable without electron microscope' and 'specificity of diddling'.
14:17 asciilifeform and yes, this was different thread.
14:17 asciilifeform but relates, because 'make isolating nic for x86' is not a solvable problem, it is a gabriel_laddelism -- for one thing, such a device is already available, it is called usb nic. but is hog-slow, for fundamental reasons (polled i/o)
14:18 mircea_popescu hardly. what exactly do you even want to "ban ips for" on your realtek nic asciilifeform ?
14:18 asciilifeform that's an ip stack knob, not nic knob
14:18 trinque attacker cannot change IPs ?
14:19 trinque also wtf let somebody's n00b box get attacked
14:19 mircea_popescu ...
14:19 asciilifeform trinque: 'ban ip' in context referred to 'ban port', 'reject dns', or whatever other machinations.
14:19 mircea_popescu nic will say whatever ip it fuckinfg feels like saying that day
14:19 asciilifeform imho basic feature of ip stack.
14:19 asciilifeform not really pertinent to hardware thread imho.
14:19 trinque if these are retarded let teh youf mark the idiocy with their bodies
14:20 trinque wasn't hardware thread. got dragged there because reasons.
14:21 trinque army of excitable young dickheads are meanwhile all farting around winking at us from their android devices or whatever
14:21 mircea_popescu trinque i don't think they'll ever do something useful though, for the reason that it's useful. somehow the drones intuit and avoid any non-drony un-pointless meaningful activity.
14:21 mircea_popescu you know, "Goes against their principles".
14:22 asciilifeform trinque: such marvels as, e.g., 'web20', javascript, etc. came directly from allowing teenaged scum to have whatever involvement in design aside from cleaning the shop at closing time each day.
14:23 asciilifeform their approach to engineering is 'junkyard wars' -- 'look mother, what i made from dead possum and string!'
14:24 mircea_popescu for me personally, the "young soviet" personified by cptn breznev was rather instructive.
14:24 trinque I am not yet this cynical, if only for my own dick-pulling.
14:24 mircea_popescu this is probably a good thing.
14:26 mircea_popescu anyway, as far as "headless whatever" item is concerned trinque it seems to me something you can rack is a better choice than something you gotta keep around the house / out of dog's mouth etc.
14:26 asciilifeform apu1 racks, i even have the mechanical bracket somewhere
14:26 mircea_popescu ah then cool
14:26 asciilifeform you can fit iirc 8 of'em in a traditional 1u
14:27 asciilifeform it uses conductive, rather than convective, cooling, however, could be problem in a hot dc
14:27 mircea_popescu miught make a fine offering for the eventual tmsr isp, just as soon as anyone gets off their intellectual arse and actually starts living life instead of dreaming it.
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14:47 mircea_popescu !!up gabriel_laddel_p
14:47 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
14:49 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: this pattern where hardware is named in-channel and then you comment on it is highly inefficient. How much would you charge (USD, via paypal/venmo) to iterate through a-zA-Z, 0-9, #\! thru #\) and name each and every item of computer hardware related to it you possibly can + give a review. Then to encrypt the resulting text file to a
14:49 gabriel_laddel_p ll lords + myself?
14:49 mircea_popescu o.O
14:49 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: this would take a rather long time. and i'm not convinced that the result would be very interesting
14:49 mircea_popescu alf's encyclopedia of hardware ?
14:49 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: yep.
14:50 asciilifeform 'hmm was that 1 matrox in '98 any good? or was it a hercules..'
14:50 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: I don't care about how long, just want the price
14:50 mircea_popescu it might provide fine support for alf to transition from the phase of "i can't write a trilema" to the phase of "there it is, read it
14:50 mircea_popescu can't lay out silk for an umbrella without the spikes or how it went.
14:50 asciilifeform 'i forgot my hat on top of mt everest, how much would you suppose you must charge, asciilifeform , to fetch it for me ??'
14:50 gabriel_laddel_p I just turned up an extra $100 and will happily venmo it to you today if you JUST DO IT.
14:51 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: you're missing a couplea zeros
14:51 mircea_popescu this guy is adorable.
14:51 * trinque lols mightily
14:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well intent counts yes ?
14:51 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: how many, exactly?
14:51 mircea_popescu !#d 8 million
14:51 mircea_popescu that'll become alf's own "500." fast and furious dood moment.
14:51 asciilifeform the odd thing is that these are ~all in the l0gz
14:51 asciilifeform for phreeeee
14:51 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: I have a partial list of hardware related items from the logs.
14:52 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: but I want the _complete_ list.
14:52 trinque complete list of "this also don't use"
14:52 trinque ?
14:52 gabriel_laddel_p trinque: no, a complete list of hardware items + review
14:52 mircea_popescu "eight." "eight what ?" "eight million. when i was a kid i figured you had to get eight million together to be considered a legitimate rich guy. so i got busy".
14:53 gabriel_laddel_p I can't imagine this would take more than 5 days + a bunch of coffee.
14:53 gabriel_laddel_p and half days at that
14:53 mircea_popescu hey, if that were true...
14:54 trinque you (snort) you gotta go big asciilifeform, just make the (pounds desk) the list of all hardware.
14:54 asciilifeform lol
14:55 asciilifeform 'no one will believe, but i find the fixation with ancient iron, counterproductive', said asciilifeform from old x60 lappy
14:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform when you're done with that you can cycle through the realtek until you document it and reverse the blob, we'll be good.
14:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 100% of what can be reversed without electron microscopy, is already public
14:56 asciilifeform ( re realtek )
14:56 asciilifeform iirc i even linked to datashit here.
14:56 trinque your coffee must be shit.
14:56 mircea_popescu is there an english equivalent to the ancient romanian "an idiot throws a stone overboard and ten philosophers can't fish it back out" ?
14:56 mod6 wtf is venmo?
14:57 mircea_popescu like beenz.
14:57 gabriel_laddel_p mod6: some USG money transfer thing for young people
14:57 gabriel_laddel_p "send $ to a phone #!"
14:57 mircea_popescu is it related to the "ven" bs nefario was pushing at his stallman-attended scamference ?
14:57 asciilifeform how the living fuck does one reverse ciphered blob of instructions for unknown instruction set, consisting mainly of writes to registers of unknown purpose (mostly dealing in such things as setting PLL frequency etc) without physical peek ?
14:57 asciilifeform i'd luvv to know.
14:57 mod6 eek. u no like btc?
14:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform peek, peek.
14:57 asciilifeform currently i haven't with what.
14:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "they slap, they slap, but some fuck!"
14:58 mircea_popescu ask the fucking chip!
14:58 gabriel_laddel_p http://ubiquity.acm.org/article.cfm?id=2913029 < search for "smooth surprise"
14:58 asciilifeform one 'asks' by dissolving package in nitric acid and then micrograph.
14:59 asciilifeform incidentally iirc phf` had a phriend with access to subj
14:59 asciilifeform what became of this ?
14:59 gabriel_laddel_p I was hanging out with aerospace ppl, one of whom works on computer aircraft software -- gave him the function in question and told him it had a floating point error, asked what it was
14:59 gabriel_laddel_p *consumer aircraft software
14:59 gabriel_laddel_p he said "overflow"
15:00 mircea_popescu sooo ?
15:00 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: read the article. Or just the smooth surprise part. It isn't an overflow error
15:01 gabriel_laddel_p anyways, just another addition to ascii's "floating point has to die" thread.
15:01 asciilifeform float arithmetic is a 20th c mistake
15:01 asciilifeform burn it .
15:01 mircea_popescu yes, but why is the happenstance that some dood with the right robes made $mistake relevant ?
15:01 gabriel_laddel_p lol c?
15:01 asciilifeform use rationals .
15:02 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: an addition to the story that "floating point must die": because otherwise intelligent people who have PHDs, write haskell & work on stuff we useveryday end up making less-than-obvious mistakes without realizing it.
15:03 gabriel_laddel_p The article also lists 2 disasters that resulted from floating point errors
15:03 gabriel_laddel_p rocket explosion + failure of a PATRIOT missile to hit its target, resulting in 28 deaths.
15:03 mircea_popescu right. is the subtext that if only you were somehow involved this'd have been averted ?
15:04 gabriel_laddel_p No? But I suppose that is the case, isn't it.
15:04 asciilifeform hey gabriel_laddel_p -- do you know ada ?
15:04 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: nope.
15:05 mircea_popescu here's the thing : the reason you do not see results commensurate with your perceived (and for all anyone knows, correctly perceived) subjective capacity is that you do not provide yourself with proper basis and sufficient time to make it happen.
15:05 mircea_popescu a woman that'd make a great wife STILL HAS TO spend more than a few weeks on one man to achieve that potential.
15:06 mircea_popescu and champion seeds that are plowed under every night won't ever champion anything, next field will raise an economically relevant crop of tubers if left undisturbed.
15:06 mircea_popescu there's a reason alf hates interruptions.
15:06 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: acknowledged.
15:07 asciilifeform btw gabriel_laddel_p i still have an x61 lappy that iirc you wanted
15:08 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: PM'ing you mailing details now.
15:08 asciilifeform dun forget to sign
15:11 ben_vulpes in other waaaat, spicer hiding in bushes to avoid questions about comey
15:11 mircea_popescu which one was spicer again ?
15:11 ben_vulpes press blocker
15:11 mircea_popescu a right
15:12 ben_vulpes bushes!
15:12 ben_vulpes these are the lolz that are good for buttcoin.
15:15 phf` asciilifeform: not a friend, a ru reverser that i've spoken to, presumably he accepts hardware from all givers https://zeptobars.com
15:15 asciilifeform aah
15:15 asciilifeform oooh him!
15:15 asciilifeform neato
15:19 asciilifeform speaking of zepto, linked http://www.baikalelectronics.com/products/T1 << i muchly would want this. anyone try to buy ?
15:19 asciilifeform or is it another elbrus.
15:19 asciilifeform anyone so much as ever seen one ?
15:25 phf` tried sourcing it, no dice. person i know who could've helped recently moved to germany
15:26 mircea_popescu here's a thought : incorporate in moscow, hire a coupla call girls, pay their salary and send them to find you pieces.
15:26 * asciilifeform wrote to baikal, fwiw
15:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik you can't incorporate in ru w/out a resident
15:27 * phf` is resident
15:27 asciilifeform oh hey.
15:27 mircea_popescu all lawyers are also residents.
15:27 asciilifeform looks like we have a man for this job...
15:28 phf` i'll look into it next trip
15:28 mircea_popescu phf` go to moscow, incorporate, hire a coupla hookers at the moscow uni, pref 2nd/3rd year, send one to baikal once you're done fucking them ?
15:31 phf` ООО Тимисария Холдингс
15:32 asciilifeform lol!
15:32 asciilifeform but hey, wainot.
15:33 mircea_popescu lol wut!
15:34 mircea_popescu anyway, to repurpose an ustardism, "in a world starved of whorish talent, it is hard to lose money hiring sophomores from moscow u."
15:36 asciilifeform presently i'm not convinced that 'baikal' cpu exists -- experience suggests that it's an elbrus, a small handful of physical items for ru army and a large stack of imaginary bezzle cpus which actually turned into swiss gold and florida mansions for various scum instead of into cpu
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15:36 asciilifeform but i'd luvv to be proven wrong.
15:37 asciilifeform i suspect that if either baikal or elbrus ~existed~ in commercially relevant qtys, it would handily corner the 'fuck cisco and usg crapolade' market worldwide
15:38 asciilifeform but then again someone could point same type of finger at, e.g., FUCKGOATS
15:38 asciilifeform so i have nfi.
15:38 mircea_popescu no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered.
15:38 asciilifeform well yes, i was speaking from pov of folx who encounter for first time
15:38 asciilifeform 'if this is real, why not at my corner shop eh'
15:39 mircea_popescu by this recknoning caviar is not real.
15:39 asciilifeform lolwat
15:39 asciilifeform most folx i think have eaten it
15:39 mircea_popescu but is it at corner shop ?
15:40 mircea_popescu also moon not real. so following.
15:40 asciilifeform actually you can't go 5km in washington region without seeing it on a shelf, surprisingly
15:40 asciilifeform but i get the idea.
15:40 mircea_popescu 5km contain at least half dozen corners.
15:41 asciilifeform at any rate i mailed'em and asked for quote for 100 units
15:41 asciilifeform lessee.
15:41 * asciilifeform does not expect answer, tbh
15:43 mircea_popescu nothing beats 1.5m from hips to floor wanting to see director. certainly not a letter.
15:44 asciilifeform tru!!
15:52 * asciilifeform pictures talking giraffe asking to 'see director'
15:53 asciilifeform >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ixchs/?raw=true << in other noose !!
15:53 asciilifeform ^sad
15:54 asciilifeform ^ reads ~100% exactly like asciilifeform's correspondence with intel and amd.
16:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what's the problem ? point them to nsa fg page, explain the company is working on an uninterdictable nuclear missile to wipe the united states off the face of the earth.
16:01 asciilifeform nda
16:01 asciilifeform i won't sign.
16:01 mircea_popescu ignore that part.
16:01 mircea_popescu first rule of "business" : ignore all items not of interest.
16:02 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> no, because fg can be ordered and getgs delivered. << confirmed.
16:02 asciilifeform this is where i bow to the peopleskillz muscles of mircea_popescu and ask if he'll try an' write .
16:02 mircea_popescu thenh negotiation can begin : we leave off wiping the us ; they leave off the nda, it's a give and take process.
16:02 mircea_popescu aite, a second.
16:03 asciilifeform i used the box on their www, it apparently works.
16:05 lobbes http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/22/swordfight-after-man-robs-shop-with-sword-but-shopkeeper-pulls-out-huge-scimitar-6082582/ << meanwhile, in Pittsburgh
16:08 mod6 ha
16:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tArjQ/?raw=true
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16:08 asciilifeform mno. mircea_popescu signs and sends.
16:08 shinohai SCIMITAR!
16:08 mircea_popescu i thought he was talking to you ?
16:08 asciilifeform he'll happily talk to mircea_popescu .
16:09 mircea_popescu aite, ima buy some whatever the shits and not give them to you then!
16:09 asciilifeform if asciilifeform signs and sends this, he will probably have to design the mips box on toilet paper inside bastille, like de sade
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16:09 mircea_popescu a, you think ?
16:09 mircea_popescu well, so tone down the parts that concern you, what.
16:09 asciilifeform not that it's necessarily avoidable in long run.
16:09 mircea_popescu not like i'm married to it.
16:10 asciilifeform btw in sharp contrast with china -- where they sent me fresh crystals within 2 (! rather than promised 3!) weeks, with ZERO prying questions and certainly no nda.
16:10 mircea_popescu in any case, i guarantee you it'll make their day.
16:11 mircea_popescu as you might imagine, "Sales & Business Development" not the most exciting line of work.
16:13 asciilifeform i quite like folx who sell actual product , for cash on barrelhead, without demanding offers of marriage or vows of eternal fealty etc.
16:14 mircea_popescu hey, the russki's are trying to be civilised. absent any signal from you as to what civilisation entails, they end up following the pantsuit ustards.
16:14 asciilifeform ( in asciilifeform's experience, nda in 100% of cases exists to hide screaming incompetence , astronomical prices, stolen material, or often all 3 )
16:14 mircea_popescu you're too focused on what's here evidently a minor add-on.
16:16 asciilifeform also i gotta wonder why anybody (this is re not only baikal but loonson of cn) PAYS FOR 'imagination tech incl' mips license -- when the thing has been out of patent since 1980s
16:16 asciilifeform and is in fact UNDERGRAD project, to implement
16:16 mircea_popescu cuz they work on a comission.
16:16 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform wrote a mips in school and i bet phf also did )
16:16 diana_coman have you considered that they might be simply *copying* IBM and the like 'cause that's "how it's done"? i.e. nda etc
16:17 mircea_popescu the entirety of us economy consists not of principals but of agents. why would anyone hire a full servcie broker to churn their holdings ? because they get paid on commission!
16:17 mircea_popescu diana_coman seems entirely likely the item is onlyt there because in their experience ustards perceive its presence as "professional"-ing.
16:17 * trinque thought the whole point of the bureaucracy was to provide cover for *not* following teh rules.
16:17 mircea_popescu kinda how the czars (back before the muscovy took over) kept painting selves in byzantine headgear. ENNOBLEMENT!!!
16:18 diana_coman that's quite how I read it too tbh but I admit I have limited experience with this sort of interactions
16:19 trinque asciilifeform: "An NDA may or may not be appropriate but I'm unable to evaluate the matter without ..." and give him something to do
16:20 * asciilifeform writes...
16:20 trinque at least in the states these slugs switch jobs every 6mos
16:20 mircea_popescu im sure same is true in su.
16:27 * asciilifeform wrote own letter, lessee...
16:32 phf` http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654883 << ahaha, that's beautiful
16:32 a111 Logged on 2017-05-11 20:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tArjQ/?raw=true
16:39 mircea_popescu lol
16:40 mircea_popescu guy's name is fucking epic for the purpose, i confess.
16:40 mod6 heheh
16:50 asciilifeform btw thing was auto-answerer
16:51 asciilifeform ( it is nearly midnight on their end, if it weren't obvious )
16:52 mod6 sneaky
16:52 asciilifeform not rly, said 'Письмо сгенерировано автоматически.' right in there, in tail end of email crapolade, i just missed 1st time
16:52 asciilifeform then thought 'hm, how come they answer so quickly' and read again.
16:53 mircea_popescu don't tell me ivan a ivanov is not a real name either!
16:53 asciilifeform tbh i'm not especially hot an' bothered about a license-built-from-usa mips.
16:53 asciilifeform but gotta try and see, at least , what it would say.
16:54 asciilifeform 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' etc.
16:54 mircea_popescu for maximal lulz, they rent the email spam services from same company that does payments for the you know, legitimate & fo realz http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380
16:54 a111 Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
16:54 asciilifeform lol!!
16:55 mircea_popescu see alf, that's the problem with fuckgoats, that nsa doesn't have an email spam service. THIS GOES AGAINST PRINCIPLES!
16:56 asciilifeform evidently!!111
16:56 mircea_popescu shoulda asked people to sign an nda!!1
16:56 mircea_popescu fucktards.
16:56 asciilifeform betcha it's part of the 'license' deal, even.
16:57 asciilifeform propagates virally.
16:57 asciilifeform ( and same types of idiots had the nerve to whine about 'viral' gpl )
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17:12 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ixchs/?raw=true << in other noose !! << You are making game consoles and you do not require them to sign an NDA
17:24 phf` http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653984 << so i got a copy, mine had a mechanical looking gash in the spine, had to send it for replacement. otherwise it's not horrible. it's a cheap thermal binding, but the paper is crisp, and the source is TeX so it looks reasonable.
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17:24 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 11:37 shinohai: Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
17:28 ben_vulpes heh
17:28 ben_vulpes briefly thought you were talking about ball-girl.
17:37 asciilifeform lol!!
17:46 mircea_popescu bwahah
17:48 shinohai You never know with me. I have a girl here I'd love to stuff a ball-gag into as we speak.
17:49 shinohai I suppose, lacking such instruments, a simple rag and some rope will suffice.
17:49 mircea_popescu splurge and spend the 15 to buy a ball gag. it's one of those items, like cased bullet, that can't really be replaced in the kitchen.
17:50 shinohai I shall! Then when someone knocks and asks "Pardon me, do you happen to have a ball-gag handy?" I can reply with an enthusiastic "Yes!"
17:52 mircea_popescu !!key Avarice`
17:52 deedbot Not registered.
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18:07 BingoBoingo shinohai: Don't forget the 9 inch linesman pliers in case you have to take into bondage not a pretty girl
18:08 shinohai nb
18:08 BingoBoingo Good one should have grip to pull toe nails and heft to hammer out teeth
18:09 BingoBoingo Klein and Knipex make adequate tools of this sort
18:09 shinohai I use the ball peen for hammering out teeth.
18:11 BingoBoingo too big, might break jaw. Increases janitorial expenditure
18:13 shinohai I know lots of Mexicans that work cheap, no biggie.
18:22 pete_dushenski mod6, asciilifeform : re : 'from whom' patch : it would definitely be a useful tool for mapping network connectivity.
18:24 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: first full backyard arugula salad hit my plate yesterday
18:24 ben_vulpes unsurprisingly, the radishes sown in mud away from amended soil taste the best and are the beefiest.
18:39 asciilifeform in other lulz, asciilifeform found out today that gcc 6 (!) exists : https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/changes.html
18:39 asciilifeform check out the 'features'
18:39 asciilifeform e.g., 'Support for a number of older systems and recently unmaintained or untested target ports of GCC has been declared obsolete in GCC 6. Unless there is activity to revive them, the next release of GCC will have their sources permanently removed.'
18:40 asciilifeform https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2015-08/msg00101.html << SuperH dropped
18:40 asciilifeform ( why ? presumably Because Not Modern Enough )
18:40 asciilifeform plus bucketful of breaking changes in language ( Because We Can ! )
18:48 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Nice. That is indeed a part of the root vegetable paradox. I imagine the best beets are grown in potter's clay
18:49 ben_vulpes we have some beets too, but they're in the good dirt
18:50 BingoBoingo Carrots especially are notorious from coming out of manure and other quality organic muck scarred
18:51 ben_vulpes hm
18:51 ben_vulpes carrots look pretty happy so far
18:52 ben_vulpes girl germinated a batch with ~every method
18:53 BingoBoingo Oh my
18:56 asciilifeform 'Improved std::locale support for DragonFly and FreeBSD, thanks to John Marino and Andreas Tobler.' didjaknow this was needed.
18:58 asciilifeform 'GCC now supports the Intel CPU named Skylake with AVX-512 extensions through -march=skylake-avx512' << all cheer for intel proprietary crapstructions !1111
18:59 asciilifeform 'Support for the IBM z13 processor has been added' << just when i thought perhaps zombie was properly dead & buried
19:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform gcc is no longer an interesting tool - llvm took over. currently being maintained as "coreboot".
19:00 mircea_popescu expect "project leader" to "identity politics" etc.
19:01 asciilifeform probably happened long ago, near ver 5
19:01 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653407 << f1 cars are pulling ~12g in the corners these days, consumer auto is rarely >1g lateral before tires break loose.
19:01 a111 Logged on 2017-05-08 17:35 asciilifeform: this was konsoomer auto, not 'formula1'
19:01 mircea_popescu prolly.
19:01 asciilifeform ( i wasn't tuned in tho )
19:01 asciilifeform i confess i dun have much interest in ever using llvm for anything.
19:02 shinohai insane grip pete_dushenski
19:02 asciilifeform ( for 1 thing, no ada in it )
19:03 pete_dushenski shinohai: f1 tires are wider this year! look more like cars of olde (ie 70s)
19:04 * shinohai drives F1 car with alf's thermonooklear device affixed into pentagon .... "ALLAH SNACKBAR!"
19:04 pete_dushenski lol
19:05 shinohai AT least I died knowing I had grip like a virgin vagina filled with alum.
19:06 asciilifeform 'Support for the g5 and g6 -march=/-mtune= CPU level switches has been deprecated and will be removed in a future GCC release.' << laugh, cry, ben_vulpes et al
19:06 * pete_dushenski imagines alum-in-v-pipe to be as sharply edged as rain gutters he picked up from orange depot today. winces.
19:06 asciilifeform and didjaevenknow there ~were~ a g6 ?!
19:06 asciilifeform i had nfi
19:07 asciilifeform ( can haz ? where ? )
19:07 asciilifeform on plus side, 'Support for the musl C library was added for the AArch64, ARM, MicroBlaze, MIPS, MIPS64, PowerPC, PowerPC64, SH, i386, x32 and x86_64 targets. It can be selected using the new -mmusl option in case musl is not the default libc. GCC defaults to musl libc if it is built with a target triplet matching the *-linux-musl* pattern.'
19:07 asciilifeform perhaps ^ can be backported to 4.x ?!
19:08 * asciilifeform puts on list.
19:21 pete_dushenski i'd like to take this opportunity to introduce 'constantine' (37.59.43.190) as an infrastructure trb node. he will be replacing 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216), who will be henceforth relegated to testing duties. cheers!
19:21 pete_dushenski http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << mod6 are you handling this list ? if so, please to update :)
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19:58 mod6 sure thing, pete_dushenski
20:01 mod6 all set, list is updated. thanks for the heads up.
20:06 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/11/tight-fit-triptych/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Tight fit triptych.
20:08 pete_dushenski mod6: thx mate
20:08 pete_dushenski bbl
20:14 asciilifeform !!key danielpbarron
20:14 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9.asc
20:17 asciilifeform !~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5nIct/?raw=true
20:17 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:24 danielpbarron ty
20:26 shinohai !!rate jurov 1 << http://coinbr.com #trilema
20:26 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OV6I5/?raw=true
20:28 shinohai !!v 5325D9B5D94E7753F351A78ED8788C68B2A7AC1F0FE2C01AE4928A0E5EA9E0CF
20:28 deedbot shinohai updated rating of jurov from 3 to 1 << << http://coinbr.com #trilema
20:32 asciilifeform 'Contact info@coinbr.com or jurov in #bitcoin-otc or #bitcoin-assets' << needs update jurov ?
20:35 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel_p
20:35 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
20:45 gabriel_laddel_p For the bored: http://aero.stanford.edu/gtrpaper/gtr.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdiG6ZPib3c http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/100951/what-was-feynmans-much-better-way-of-presenting-the-electrodynamics-which http://www.feynmanlectures.info/other/Alternate_Way_to_Handle_Electrodynamics.html http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II
20:45 gabriel_laddel_p _15.html
20:46 gabriel_laddel_p Oh and http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html
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20:46 gabriel_laddel_p And: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2011/06/how-the-laser-happened-adventures-of-a-scientist/
20:46 asciilifeform !!key gabriel_laddel_p
20:46 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/5787B7B432C4D799A52220EC2991FD97FBEB6F3B.asc
20:56 mircea_popescu in other unimportant matters, wtf is with the idler party and that "speak truth to power" meme ?
20:57 mircea_popescu how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
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21:04 ben_vulpes power is always undeserved to these people
21:04 ben_vulpes because /they/ don't have it
21:05 ben_vulpes underservedly vested, i might have said.
21:08 shinohai You are responsible for making the internetz < secure! http://archive.is/g4TUk
21:11 mircea_popescu right right
21:19 mircea_popescu shinohai that's pretty cool.
21:20 mircea_popescu i suppose official usg-lese for "tmsr" is "non-nation-state actors" nao.
21:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1420...5407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
21:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E51A9E44E0F0537812A14A66E474CC0A56098F5DCB158685C00663F1BB0C23BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.5 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server475.mivitec.net. DE)
21:25 asciilifeform ^ lulzily, phuctor was wedged may 5 - may 10 on account of having been rebooted by unknown wreckers such that it left the werker lock file on.
21:25 asciilifeform ( fixed )
21:26 shinohai See http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ for further details! >.>
21:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655022 << i can only picture the frustration of gabriel_laddel_p -- he read the l0gz and went off to get subj b00k and presumably tried to eat it -- but never afaik learned ordinary classical electromagnetism
21:28 a111 Logged on 2017-05-12 00:46 gabriel_laddel_p: Oh and http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html
21:32 mircea_popescu nono you don't understand, network segments and engineers!
21:32 asciilifeform lolwut
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22:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...5893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
22:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBA33DDE71C4686CB4D5B405F33E55044DF298308AE6BD144B522B8B0DEE031E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1657...8279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.49.195.130 (ssh-rsa key from 193.49.195.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mren3.univ-littoral.fr. FR 59 O)
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22:31 mod6 i
22:31 mod6 'll have 3 network segments, a large fry, and a silly shake to go plz
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22:48 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/gUi5K
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22:48 asciilifeform 'South Korean officials called the claim “groundless.” The CIA declined to comment, as is customary.'
22:49 asciilifeform and guess what else is customary : 0 mentions of south kr's half century history of repeatedly attempting exactly subj
22:50 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:50 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1814.04, vol: 14708.40234923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1782.0, vol: 7889.80741 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1837.8, vol: 23657.26368103 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1603.547056, vol: 18813.64590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1814.301, vol: 6712.07875548 | Volume-weighted last average: 1763.20383675
22:50 BingoBoingo OMG CRASHING!!!
22:52 BingoBoingo Wait, no.
22:52 BingoBoingo Just BTCChina reporting again
22:57 BingoBoingo !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Just curious, but why did you suppose alf combing back through logs for 100 USD would be good use of engineer time? Collating information from logs is secretarial rather than engineering work.
22:57 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
23:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unless i misunderstood -- it is even funnier, he was asking for an entire encyclopaedia to be written
23:04 asciilifeform not merely logz links.
23:05 asciilifeform i.e. months, perhaps years, of sweat
23:05 asciilifeform ( and for what ! )
23:05 BingoBoingo Still, just the nature of the work and party it was directed too.
23:05 * BingoBoingo would rather read alf's 700 page Chronicle of Squirrel Wars
23:06 asciilifeform this type of thing is called 'day job', and it so happens that i already have one
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23:06 asciilifeform hence the 'not enough zeros' answrr.
23:09 BingoBoingo Anyways, have the bushy tailed rebels been defeated yet?
23:11 asciilifeform afaik
23:12 asciilifeform they ended up in the outdoor traps
23:13 asciilifeform ( anticlimactic: taken alive by the hired catcher, i have nfi what he wants with them )
23:14 BingoBoingo Ah
23:15 BingoBoingo Probably the squirrels were trained stooges. Catcher having taken protection money may move them to different neighborhood and repeat on another sucker.
23:15 asciilifeform lol, very well trained, they ate a good chunk of roof
23:15 asciilifeform will be rebuilt next month
23:20 BingoBoingo Do ther scammers care how -EV their scam is for other parties?
23:20 asciilifeform btw recall uncle al's roach repellent
23:21 asciilifeform ( moved'em, alive and well, to the ~next~ shop or flat on street ! )
23:22 BingoBoingo This tends to happen
23:25 BingoBoingo Do you have a link for that one?
23:27 asciilifeform possibly. or not, given demise of google usenet archive. might have to pull it off optical disk
23:27 asciilifeform there was even a u.s. patent..
23:28 asciilifeform ( iirc it was the only one he had that he owned in person )
23:28 BingoBoingo AHA http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2003-10/1067358989.Ch.r.html
23:28 BingoBoingo "A crushed cockroach leaks micrograms of linoleic acid. Linoleic acid is an essential nutrient in humans (you need to eat about 3 grams/day) and is essentially odorless. If you are a cockroach it is an overwhelmingly powerful chemical signal - a pheromone - to RUN AWAY! It makes evolutionary sense, doesn't it? Anything that stomps on cockroaches should be avoided if you are a cockroach. "
23:28 asciilifeform aha, it
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