#trilema | 2017-04-29

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lobbes: cool

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649528 << it is avoidable as a matter of fact. i have by now built an item that is too complex to fit in my head. i call it $harem for convenience, but it's a set of girls who do things on the basis of rules which they were at some point in their girly youth illo tempore been beaten / screamed at for.

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a111

Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer

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00:09	mod6	lobbes: cool
00:19	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649528 << it is avoidable as a matter of fact. i have by now built an item that is too complex to fit in my head. i call it $harem for convenience, but it's a set of girls who do things on the basis of rules which they were at some point in their girly youth illo tempore been beaten / screamed at for.
00:19	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
00:20	mircea_popescu	the whole "don't fuck up or i'll beat you" mechanism exists ~specifically because~ the whole array doesn;t fit in my (or anyone's) head.
00:21	mircea_popescu	the saving grace is that they ~very much do not want to~ be bad. machines don't care.
00:23	mircea_popescu	but this phenomenon exists whereby girl ends up in trouble for reasons which, upon later examination, turn out to not actually exist. that the whole thing was actually a misunderstanding is proof positive the entire system fits in no one's head : not in mine, who misunderstood what was going on, not in the girl;s herself, who, confronted with the misunderstanding, failed to identify what to say to dispel it.
00:24	mircea_popescu	it's true that the failure is never (at least to date) permanent, but that dun seem dispositive.
00:26	mircea_popescu	(the foregoing is also, if you're following the score, the principal argument of liberals (who, in practice, often end up very radical right wing, individual rights people) against the death penalty : since it is at least in principle possible that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, it is infinitely better to put the guilty in stocks in the basement than to throw them from a moving airplane. the later's reviewable.)
00:27	mircea_popescu	i'm sorry. i mean the latter's not reviewable.
00:36	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649584 << what, SOWF ? snakeoil-or-whatever framework ? bwahaha
00:36	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 21:42 ben_vulpes: good crypto lib name
00:44	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649640 << this is very much the land of cool birds.
00:44	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:16 shinohai is obsessed with birds
00:44	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649641 << i know this is nonsense the moment it fails to correctly identify hippy-ism/hipsterism as the principal authoritarian ideology left.
00:44	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:19 pete_dushenski: in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a
00:46	mircea_popescu	"liberal political views" are actually out and out fascism (which is different from nazism). compare and contrast "everything is connected man" karmauniverseblabla with http://trilema.com/2013/sex-in-the-news/#selection-105.0-105.213
00:46	mircea_popescu	("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
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00:49	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649645 << "ego dissolution" requires stuff like you know, being too lazy to be able to maintain one / too dumb to even want to have one. works fine but on the idle byproducts of comfortable white man's sexual practices.
00:49	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:21 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
00:51	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649658 << no, actually. ~black chick wanted to know if my penis is really big ; i told her it's normal. she later saw it and her comment was "oh that's not normal!!1" (her english is approximative. other girl chuckled at the implicationz.)
00:51	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:25 asciilifeform: it worx great; done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock
00:52	mircea_popescu	notwithstanding the flattering aspects -- my cock is actually quite normal. the theory whereby black dudes have huge cocks is ~false.
00:54	mircea_popescu	(the principal driver for large penii is female sluttery ; there is no such thing as "the naiton of africa" and there's black or ~black people living from brazil to india. there's no homogenity of female sluttery in everyone's history and so...)
00:56	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649659 << the principal problem with this "multivariate regression" bs-chasing is that desirable traits almost never correlate with marginal traits. it may be true that intelligent (more to the point, "successful"-juju) people are ~taller than~ average population. however, the outer edges of tallness will not contain the outer edges of good-juju, and vice-versa. to make the point practical,
00:56	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:26 pete_dushenski: something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos
00:56	mircea_popescu	i bet you that, to use your numbers, the 6"5 cohort in your study composes a lesser section of "the ceos" than the 6"4 cohort.
00:57	mircea_popescu	you can verify this sort of anti-property directly every time someone publishes one of these bs studies and actually forgets to scrub all the data.
01:01	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649775 << come to think of it, this is rather remarkable a quote, enacting as it is teh republic as the ~only antifa available. "for the individual against the state and for the state only inasmuch as it identifies with the individual"
01:01	a111	Logged on 2017-04-29 04:46 mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
01:03	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649667 << bwahaha. apparently it occurs to no-one that by the time merit washing requires them "seasoned cryptographers" and "security researchers" BY THE ROOMFULL, and anonymously, the actual value of either symbol isn't very much anymore nor can be.
01:03	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:30 asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
01:04	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649669 << but SuCcEsS alfie!!! succes!!! what do these faces have in common!!11
01:04	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:31 asciilifeform: 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
01:07	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649689 << one way out of making it fixed time is to always do pairs. correctly construct the pairs and only return once both computed.
01:07	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:49 asciilifeform: ( best mod exp algo i've found appears to be 'montgomery's ladder', but i am not convinced that it can be made fixed-time )
01:08	mircea_popescu	in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo.
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01:09	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649691 << you missed out the roomful of ~, evidently. they pass these things out there, with the rubber chicken.
01:09	a111	Logged on 2017-04-28 23:50 phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow