00:40 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: asciilifeform 100% pro 'whole thing in turnkey iron and for ranchers etc' but with the obv caveats. |
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00:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-16 13:06:17 asciilifeform: cgra: i ought to make clear that i do not atm have any plans to mass-produce any kind of irons (beyond handful of prototypes for own use.) simply because it -- afaik -- cannot be done economically. |
00:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-02-04 22:26:26 asciilifeform: shinohai: the funniest paradox, is that it is ~impossible to make a conventional '+ev' biz case for sane irons. (given that '100% openly published specs' is intrinsically part of 'sane'.) and so to bake it, yer stuck to work with insane folx. or w/ whatever coins you can muster on own power. |
00:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-20 18:16:54 asciilifeform: there simply aint many folx who want these badly enuff to pay what they'd cost. |
00:41 |
signpost |
oh yeah, not waiting for such a thing to fall into my lap. |
00:47 |
signpost |
incidentally thought of an amusing low-bandwidth signaling medium for neighborhood scale. seismic thumper. |
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00:47 |
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signpost still waiting for his damned geophone gear. oughta arrive soon. |
00:56 |
vex |
^neato and thought provoking. can't wait to trail a wire from the uboat |
01:04 |
vex |
I feel for cdd, time money continuum is a hellofan algo |
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01:05 |
signpost |
yeah, but "I owe daddy" is worse. |
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01:05 |
vex |
I got the same vibe, oh noes now we owe the bank |
01:06 |
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signpost not going to speculate what the situation is, but encourages people to live for themselves. it was the previous generation's job to live for you. |
01:06 |
signpost |
when you have kids, pay it forward. |
01:07 |
signpost |
*if |
01:07 |
signpost |
parents have no business failing to the degree that they rob their descendents. |
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01:07 |
signpost |
no personal experience with this, but it's a sort of civilizational problem at this point. |
01:07 |
vex |
seems there's a decent landholding involved, different to dubai contacter, just one more year |
01:08 |
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signpost wishes the guy luck resolving it, w/e it may be. |
01:10 |
vex |
succession planners exist. |
01:11 |
signpost |
hell my dad's done well, and I hope he burns every cent to the ground having fun til he checks out. |
01:12 |
signpost |
families that commingle everything suffer. |
01:12 |
vex |
that's all well and good. go whoring in thailand or whatever |
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01:12 |
signpost |
literally w/e he likes. |
01:12 |
vex |
but if you're putting in years, it's good for everyone to know where it's going |
01:12 |
signpost |
distasteful thing when the piggies assemble to squeal for their piece. |
01:14 |
signpost |
anyway how's life vex |
01:14 |
vex |
I agree signpost |
01:15 |
vex |
not bad, time money continuum conundrum exists for all |
01:16 |
vex |
I was sorry to hear about your Mum too. I didn't say it immediately |
01:17 |
signpost |
nbd, processed the thing. but thanks. |
01:18 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106572 << i always liked guy ritchie's treatment of subj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYwgG2oyUbA |
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01:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 21:05:03 signpost: parents have no business failing to the degree that they rob their descendents. |
01:21 |
signpost |
I dun get the reference but I'm still bootsandcatsing along with it. |
01:22 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106579 << words of wisdom from vex! |
01:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 21:09:47 vex: that's all well and good. go whoring in thailand or whatever |
01:23 |
vex |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106588 the face when she scrapes past the cops |
01:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 21:15:54 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106572 << i always liked guy ritchie's treatment of subj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYwgG2oyUbA |
01:25 |
phf |
signpost: that madonna clip was made by guy ritchie, mostly unrelated to song subj. in it m.'s character steals a car, antagonizes cops, races and just generally being a bad girl, while her presumably alzheimer's mom riding on the front passanger sit. i always thought that's better than "pay for endless medical treatment so that slowly wasting away" etc |
01:26 |
phf |
ends with the car and passangers wrapping around pole |
01:27 |
signpost |
ah got it. |
01:27 |
signpost |
100% a better ending. or nice and quick on a bad landing in a field. |
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01:28 |
signpost |
the way americans keep their pet grandparents alive in hellish "care" is a sin. |
01:29 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: mengele has nuffin on reich 'care industry' aha |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106563 << (will omit the oblig. 'summon worm!') but interestingly enuff can actually get coupla 100 baud this way -- geophones work in both dirs. |
01:30 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 20:44:58 signpost: incidentally thought of an amusing low-bandwidth signaling medium for neighborhood scale. seismic thumper. |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
rather like hydrophone under sea does |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
not particularly 'stealth' tho |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
see also elephant . |
01:31 |
phf |
послушайте, ихтиандр! зачем вы выбросили жемчуг? |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
heh |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106598 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-07#1043650 |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 21:25:38 signpost: 100% a better ending. or nice and quick on a bad landing in a field. |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 17:04:38 asciilifeform: 'it's better than from vodka or from colds!'(tm)(r)(v.vysotsky, 'mountain climber') |
01:33 |
signpost |
nah not stealth, just fell out as a fun experiment. |
01:34 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls historical 'signal systems' with cannon shots |
01:34 |
* |
asciilifeform pictures 'tcp over .22' lol |
01:36 |
signpost |
no end to the hilariously demented implementations. |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106566 << defo, there's a deadly glue trap there, and no working folx exempt in inflatistan |
01:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 21:02:20 vex: I feel for cdd, time money continuum is a hellofan algo |
01:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-25 13:43:36 asciilifeform: 'it’s quite difficult for us to avoid increasing our standard of living (or at least our rate of spending) every time we get a raise' << good % of this is illusion, and what people actually do is ~buying same~ (or moar threadbare) ~after n yrs of inflationism~ |
01:36 |
phf |
specially trained dogs |
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asciilifeform was a little astonished to learn that there are still folx who know how to breed & train mail pigeons |
01:38 |
asciilifeform |
( at least, there were in early 2000s , when encountered ) |
01:38 |
vex |
this is my signals horse *face* he's allowed to go anywhere |
01:38 |
vex |
need the madonna to make the correct face |
01:38 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
01:39 |
signpost |
"No sir, I don't like it." (tm) (r) (ren & stimpy) |
01:40 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-07#1043650 << til that it comes with a movie, about soviet alpinists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r71gzuvkU0A (i've not seen it yet, so can't comment, but has subtitles for esl, looks /very/ soviet) |
01:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 17:04:38 asciilifeform: 'it's better than from vodka or from colds!'(tm)(r)(v.vysotsky, 'mountain climber') |
01:40 |
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asciilifeform saw, loong ago |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
notbad imho |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
'the only thing better than mountains / is mountains we haven't yet climbed'(tm)(r)(subj) |
01:41 |
phf |
random scene i clicked on has a very james bondian one of characters flirting shirtless with a doctor lady who's checking up on him in front of a water fall. |
01:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106368 << >> found it btw |
01:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 16:26:25 phf: is also curious, does not remember |
01:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-31 11:27:18 phf: signpost: do you use relayd? |
01:49 |
phf |
oh, i have no idea if it can be used for that. or what to use it for at all :D |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
a phf, and also found the sticker, lol, in rack (fell off!), 'great lakes gl720e' |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
( tho oddly enuff looking on www they normally have 32, 36, or 37 u. ) |
01:53 |
asciilifeform |
'1500 lb max weight' |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
( can mount e.g. 7 asciilifeform-style ups expanders , say ) |
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asciilifeform only has 2, no particular point in stretching beyond time req'd for the genset to revv up (or even to change oil in same) |
02:01 |
vex |
did you brick in some rackage in the new house asciilifeform? |
02:05 |
vex |
chimney clinkers ftw |
02:08 |
vex |
You're a high degree mason if you can dynabolt some rails and it slides in first time everytime |
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02:12 |
vex |
no club required |
02:12 |
phf |
it's unfortunate that there's on competing illuminati faction like you have free masons which are all brick and mortar, but then you also have free joiners which are more about woodwork. "jesus was a carpenter! -- but the chirch is built stone by stone!" etc. |
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02:12 |
phf |
*no competing |
02:21 |
vex |
I see your union and raise you a freeman |
02:31 |
vex |
I like how Vulpes changed his name |
02:32 |
vex |
all the cubs are vulpez |
02:35 |
vex |
He's such a lovely man too.what a legacy |
02:48 |
vex |
should I change my name if I move to pestnet? |
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vex injects a heavy nope |
02:50 |
vex |
not that it really matters tho. i've glanced at the spec |
02:51 |
vex |
can I haz music phf? |
02:52 |
phf |
sorry, i'm in teh equestrian youtube hole |
02:53 |
vex |
I will also take nz freejumping queens or whatveer you've got |
02:54 |
vex |
do you know alycia burton? |
02:55 |
vex |
she doesnt have a saddle also ignores fences |
02:57 |
phf |
i kind of think free riding is a gimick |
02:57 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-m4kbgjS8 |
02:59 |
vex |
ofc she's selling something, but she's not smoking meth anymore |
03:00 |
vex |
can't wait till bingo boingo comes back making saddles |
03:02 |
phf |
vex: i see your gimicky equestrian video and raise hiphop dressage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knCj92zA0tU |
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vex goes to look, but you can't say the lady doesn't ignore fencing |
03:04 |
vex |
I can't compete |
03:07 |
vex |
beast that can dressage and ignore fences is my goal |
03:10 |
vex |
also sunrise beach gallops |
03:11 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnigc08J6FI |
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phf |
vex: that's peak anglo right there |
03:18 |
vex |
wasp on my knuckles |
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03:37 |
vex |
fall off and get right back on wall drilled into me. |
03:40 |
vex |
I ride texas style |
03:40 |
phf |
with a cigar and a colt |
03:41 |
vex |
that too, |
03:41 |
vex |
usually someoneelks trains the beast |
03:45 |
vex |
I've fallen off a few |
03:46 |
vex |
I've landed heavy once or twice |
03:47 |
vex |
never a helmet, always looking cool |
03:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106644 << a 'free plumbers' seekrit soc. would be lulzy |
03:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 22:10:07 phf: it's unfortunate that there's on competing illuminati faction like you have free masons which are all brick and mortar, but then you also have free joiners which are more about woodwork. "jesus was a carpenter! -- but the chirch is built stone by stone!" etc. |
03:52 |
vex |
seen bingoboingo? |
03:56 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DYVyJrmns4 |
03:57 |
phf |
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugB51fX0nY (as they say "wait for it") |
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vex intends to bbl |
04:04 |
phf |
well, since you're bailing, i'm just going to settle to an old goodie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74 |
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04:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106642 << if even half-seriously -- wouldn't make rack from bricks, difficult to think of material w/ worse thermal conductivity one could make rack outta |
04:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 22:06:02 vex: You're a high degree mason if you can dynabolt some rails and it slides in first time everytime |
04:39 |
asciilifeform |
'this is server rack, also doubles as pottery kiln and crematorium' lol |
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04:40 |
asciilifeform |
for specialized application ( coupla disks + thermite ) may be worth. even then there are better choices imho |
04:41 |
mats |
what an epic market rout |
04:42 |
asciilifeform |
mats: not as spectacular as the 70 -> 30 episode |
04:42 |
asciilifeform |
(not to mention march of '20) |
04:43 |
asciilifeform |
then again not necessarily over |
04:43 |
mats |
the fed shows no sign of blinking yet |
04:44 |
mats |
and the retreat in markets has been very orderly |
04:44 |
mats |
definitely not over yet |
04:45 |
asciilifeform |
aint 'over' while there's still some goxleveragescum left alive sumwhere |
04:47 |
asciilifeform |
at some pt in each such episode reich finishes hoovering up the 'poorly bolted down' coinz, and then static/slow + again until next pump |
04:49 |
asciilifeform |
( see also 'heat engine' . ) |
04:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 13:08:03 asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston |
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asciilifeform to bed. |
04:53 |
mats |
the price is now at about 1:1 MVRV https://www.blockchain.com/charts/mvrv |
04:58 |
mats |
what an amazing time to accumulate |
05:02 |
scoopbot |
New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: lon nimi |
05:09 |
mats |
in old news, https://archive.ph/V8RSc "China's Atlantic pearl compounds U.S. fears after Solomons setback" |
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05:09 |
mats |
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-10/report-immigration-officials-spying-on-majority-of-americans |
05:10 |
mats |
idiot's explainer to us oil prices https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/why-the-us-must-import-and-export-oild |
05:12 |
mats |
https://info.nydig.com/hubfs/On%20Impossible%20Things%20Before%20Breakfast.pdf nydig newsletter |
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05:58 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106403 I'm in total agreement. |
05:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 16:57:00 phf: if i were you, i'd optimize for "what is the least amount of work i can do for max amount of compensation and still live", and then having attained that stable platform move from there, having a significantly opened up opportunity space |
06:08 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106439 No. As I recall, I was doing these things anyway. I could be wrong. I did basically stumble in here and refuse to leave, in any case, sure. |
06:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 17:21:19 asciilifeform: iirc verisimilitude also recently read up on ip stack etc., learned ada, as side effect of following thrd |
06:09 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106446 Now where did I do this, phf? |
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06:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-13 17:25:46 phf: verisimilitude was by his own admission |
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08:38 |
shinohai |
tfw France makes *other* nation's armies surrender: https://archive.ph/e9TJ8 |
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14:42 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106712 << http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093673 |
14:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 02:07:14 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106446 Now where did I do this, phf? |
14:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 15:41:31 verisimilitude: I wasn't going to use the word, but sure, phf. |
14:43 |
phf |
which was re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093669 which was re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093667 |
14:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 15:41:09 phf: verisimilitude: i believe the correct term is hikikomori |
14:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 15:40:52 verisimilitude: Physically, I'm a hermit, but that's something different. |
14:44 |
phf |
verisimilitude: but i'm wrong, i didn't actually know what neet means. i thought it was another slang for hiki, but it's more precise than that |
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14:47 |
asciilifeform |
hm afaik 'neet' ('not in education, employment, training') is a redditism which theoretically applies to anyone who aint wage slave, but in practice normally for young folk mooching off relatives, rather than moneybags |
14:50 |
phf |
i'm not up to date on my entomology |
14:55 |
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asciilifeform looked up when jonsykkel introduced as one |
14:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-25 13:26:08 jon: nah just a humble NEET loser atm |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106707 << see also e.g. |
15:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 01:10:11 mats: https://info.nydig.com/hubfs/On%20Impossible%20Things%20Before%20Breakfast.pdf nydig newsletter |
15:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-11 16:01:55 asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform's point, can call an altcoin 'cryptodollar' or even 'cryptogold' or 'cryptouranium' but this does not somehow guarantee that, e.g., there'll be a finite supply of it, that you can transact how you want, or , most importantly, that you will be able to redeem yours for dollar/gold/uranium when you want to |
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15:46 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
15:46 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 363d 12h 41m |
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16:10 |
shinohai |
2 moar days |
16:12 |
mats |
https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/state-of-the-network-issue-159 |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
'Celsius does not explicitly disclose the protocols and strategies it employs to give its users upwards of 20% yield' << lol, MMM |
16:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-21 20:26:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'm not. ever heard of MMM? |
16:24 |
mats |
the 30d volume on tether is 1.83tn |
16:24 |
mats |
absolutely bonkers velocity when the supply is about 70bn |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
mats: there's no limit to what 'velocity' when 'tape painting' |
16:34 |
mats |
30d volume of binance usd is at 5tn and its supply is 17.6bn |
16:37 |
asciilifeform |
mats: of what interest is this #, if it can be made -- via wash trading -- whatever the perp wants it to be ? |
16:41 |
mats |
no reason to believe that's the case |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
evidently mats still working with null hypothesis where shitcoin artists 'innocent until proven guilty' ? lol! |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
how many shitcoin-flavoured 'mmm' by nao tanked ? asciilifeform lost count |
16:43 |
mats |
considering the glacial pace of regular us dollars, this isn't surprising |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
in what way 'tether' actually differs from 'luna', 'celsius', etc. ? |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
from surface seems like precisely same thing |
16:44 |
verisimilitude |
That's a stupid question; the names are different, clearly. |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
16:45 |
mats |
tether appears to take fewer risks with deposits |
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16:45 |
mats |
anyway, usd M1V is about 11 in its best year |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
mats: explain this # for folx not in the fandom ? |
16:47 |
mats |
a single dollar was used 11 times in a year |
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asciilifeform can't picture how anyone could know this to any kinda precision, but suppose stipulate as given. how's it pertain to tetherism ? |
16:51 |
phf |
mats is a financier, knows his openbsds from freebsds, even though to a unix hater it might all look like unix from outside, presumably identifies by all kinds of secondary characteristics. |
16:52 |
mats |
lol |
16:52 |
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16:52 |
signpost |
I always hear some of this when e.g. "MMM" comes up. "why the fuck can't you people learn from other people's mistakes for a change?" |
16:55 |
mats |
it pertains in that the 30d velocity of a single tether is about 38 |
16:56 |
mats |
https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/spring/summer-2021/ten-stablecoin-predictions-their-monetary-policy-implications |
17:06 |
asciilifeform |
numerological religions are appealing to many folx, but the trouble with numerology is that it dun actually work |
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17:08 |
asciilifeform |
elementarily, the #s published by perp tell you 0 re when a pyramid will implode ( aside from the degenerate case when it is already imploding and folx running for exits , when becomes blindingly obv. ) -- or would trigger the implosion immed. |
17:09 |
asciilifeform |
... nor do the #s published by usg & vassals have any useful fixed relationship, current or predictive, to physical reality |
17:10 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106759 This sentence has an even number of odd words. I'm supposed to call this coincidence? |
17:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 13:04:08 asciilifeform: numerological religions are appealing to many folx, but the trouble with numerology is that it dun actually work |
17:10 |
asciilifeform |
( but to expand on this, is a waste of bw, is rather reminiscent of ye olde talk.origins where folx tried to argue with creationists , lol ) |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: there was a notbad numerological calculator on www at one pt, which would list the steps needed to reduce $input to 666 |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
sadly lost link. |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
sumbody oughta write a similar one for 'economic stats'. |
17:12 |
verisimilitude |
That's hilarious. |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
would output sumthing like 'divide today's m1v by cpi from last month times Official unemployment rate...' |
17:14 |
verisimilitude |
That has a terrible failure case, however. |
17:14 |
verisimilitude |
``I'm sorry, but I can't see how to relate this number to 666.'' |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: sufficiently rich bag of transforms should getcha to 666 within 1% in reasonable # of steps, i'd suspect |
17:15 |
asciilifeform |
elementary search problem. |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
if you allow numerological ops using names of officials, prolly even easier |
17:17 |
phf |
asciilifeform: hey, you ever tried solving the problem of establishing a side channel along with your regular ssh connection? i want some way to send commands (e.g. a tcp connection) along with whatever connection i made, but using -R/-L is somehow iffy, because hardcoded port numbers, can't have more than one of the same, etc. |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
phf: not tried this iirc |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
nfi whether worked in living memory |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
( ordinary ssh tunnel illustrated in e.g. but dunno if solves for phf ) |
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17:19 |
phf |
yeah, it's iffy |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
phf: if aint a seekrit, what were you trying to bake ? |
17:20 |
phf |
what i want to be able to do is basically connect to remote, and have a regular shell and an extra hidden channel, where i can send back files or paste buffer or whatever |
17:20 |
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asciilifeform historically used a separate tunnel + netcat for this |
17:20 |
phf |
yeah.. |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
'midnight commander''s built-in 'fish' also worx for many such uses |
17:21 |
phf |
true |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
( for shoving files back'n'forth quickly ) |
17:21 |
phf |
but for example if i want to open a browser link from remote emacs, have to copy paste |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
a makes sense |
17:22 |
phf |
i'm solving this with a -R 123:localhost:123, with a remote `open` that connects to localhost:123, sends data, on this end a server accepts. but if i for example lose the connection, sometimes have stale 123 already open, can't have more than one connection without some port coordination. it's all kinds of gay |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
the 'autossh' thing in earlier link solves the 'it falls down' problem, if somewhat ugly |
17:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 13:16:37 asciilifeform: ( ordinary ssh tunnel illustrated in e.g. but dunno if solves for phf ) |
17:23 |
phf |
plan9 solves this™ |
17:24 |
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asciilifeform used for 'trb wires' experiment |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
seems to handle cleanup of stale sockets correctly |
17:24 |
phf |
asciilifeform: nah, different issue. if you do a -R 123:localhost:123, port gets open on local and remote. if you drop the connection, remote keeps 123 open for a while before realized that connection is dead. so you have a window where you ssh -R 123... and remote says that the port is already open. |
17:25 |
asciilifeform |
a hm |
17:25 |
phf |
maybe autossh attempts to kill previous remotes, i dunno |
17:25 |
phf |
but i had an idea. i'm going to write a multiplexer! |
17:25 |
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asciilifeform not noticed this problem when used 'autossh' , but may simply be artifact of the connection having been uncommonly stable |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
sumbody (possibly even phf) some yrs ago linked to a multiplexer thing which ciphrates an' udp's small gibblets. iirc written by a fella who sat on satellite dish for many yrs |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
can't atm find the link tho |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
( signpost might remember ) |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
a there . |
17:27 |
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asciilifeform not tried |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
dunno if easily turned into 'pipe links to emacs' thing phf mentioned, but possibly if turn the right knobs |
17:30 |
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asciilifeform suspects that netcat alone with correct knobs could suffice for 'throw unseekrit string b/w machines' in '1liner' |
17:34 |
phf |
so here's what plan9 does: all devices are files, mount/bind combo lets you take directory (or multiple directories) and assign them to a end point (e.g. there's no $PATH, instead you bind whatever you need to /bin), namespaces are inhereted by process and finally p9 is networked |
17:34 |
phf |
so the combo gets you the following |
17:35 |
phf |
so their "ssh", called "cpu" gives you a shell that runs remote commands, but the connection process arranges the namespace to be partially from the local machine. so like /home/foo is remote /bin is remote, but /dev/console is local, /dev/sound is local, /dev draw is local |
17:36 |
phf |
so you run a remote program, let's say "jpeg" which renders jpeg files to /dev/draw. `jpeg foo.jpg` it runs on the remote machine and reads remote file, but when it tries to open standard drawing device actually connects to your machine instead |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
a, rather like x tunnel but generalized |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
17:37 |
phf |
generalized, because same principle applays to e.g. sound players, remote process opens remote files but connects to /dev/sound which gets proxied to your local machine |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
what if want to play sound on the remote box ? ( are these selectable somehow? ) |
17:39 |
phf |
yeah, you fully control what your "namespace" is. so "everything" is accessible somewhere in the hierarchy. you just arrange the binds how you want |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
17:40 |
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asciilifeform played with 'plan9' 20y ago, but not since, thought 'nifty', sadly went to same place where errything else good and bright goes |
17:45 |
phf |
there's also no vt (there's a program called vt though to emulate if needed), your console is /dev/cons a bidirectional dumb stream, but you can also open /dev/draw and get canvas of the current window |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
notbad. the kinda things that are possible if system was actually ~designed~ rather than shat |
17:51 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106748 << the guy's that can't prove they even have deposits? the guys admitting a lot of the reserves are chinese paper? |
17:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 12:42:41 mats: tether appears to take fewer risks with deposits |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/pub/you_dont_understand_thats_different.jpg |
17:53 |
punkman |
I guess a lot of people like them because they've been pumping price for years |
17:53 |
asciilifeform |
'errybody' luvvs a pyramid (until day x) |
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17:54 |
punkman |
wasn't bitfinex made by 16 year old at bitcointalk? in the before times |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
dun recall, but wouldn't surprise |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
the elementary fact that 'pump' inevitably followed by 'dump' at some pt, not detachable, like the opposite poles of magnet aint detachable -- eternally lost on some folx |
17:56 |
phf |
formal term for "pyramid until day x" is risk management |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
there's exactly 1 'risk management algo' that worx on pyramids -- 'stay out' |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
( unless yer the perp, that is, then +ev if yer legs are quick enuff ) |
17:59 |
phf |
asciilifeform: i understand it's a kind of position metaphor, but that's not factually true. risk management is not about 0 risk, it's about ~managing~ risk. can have risk in high values of p, but against high payoff, and despite statistics being the mother of lies, can have a ballpark of exposure, return, etc. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
phf: statistics only worx if you've some kinda usable givens |
18:00 |
phf |
you have e.g. professional poker players where risk management implies very conserative strategies |
18:00 |
punkman |
I haven't seen any company/entity publicly admit that it has send billion actual dollars to buy Tether. (not that I've been looking though) |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
aha, but only worx if the game is played by rules, rather than with marked cards |
18:00 |
phf |
but you also have 2007 when risk management was "the p's are very high, but the return/losses are amazing". |
18:02 |
phf |
asciilifeform: if you recall from shalamov "marked cards" were essential element of prison card game, the trick was to cheat and not get caught, but catch a cheat and call him out, effectively. which is the essential nature of the game. |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
18:03 |
phf |
in this case point not prison, but rather an environment of clarified game theoretical properties |
18:04 |
phf |
likewise in finance. i sort of agree with you on points of principle, but i can't fault reality for realitying. it follows that if one were to participate, or analyze, can't reject on the grounds of "unfair" |
18:04 |
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signpost admits there are folks that are great at this civilization-scale "core wars" |
18:04 |
phf |
hence risk management is, from your principled perspective, "how many times can steal, before caught, how much stand to gain" etc. |
18:05 |
phf |
and even from that perspective not ever 0, but rather depends on goals and personalities of people involved. for some p=.9 is "so you're saying, i've got a chance" |
18:07 |
asciilifeform |
phf: if one actually has some kinda data -- can statisticize. if only noise (esp. noise generated by the perp) -- not so much |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: it aint clear to asciilifeform that 'successful financists' are 'good at the core wars' rather than simply socially positioned sufficiently near the spigot |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
or that 'good at stealing without being caught' rather than simply 'too wellborn to punish when caught' |
18:09 |
phf |
asciilifeform: that's like your opinion maan |
18:09 |
phf |
i mean it's a rhetorical "aint clear", which is some kind of "one wonders", but can also be read as "i have no idea" :p |
18:10 |
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asciilifeform well aware that this is 'religious' pov -- and quite heretical to folx who like to picture that they, too , could 'successful financist' if write just right magick proggy |
18:10 |
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signpost has The Physics of Wall St enqueued to try to make more personally clear. |
18:11 |
signpost |
but I'm too dumb with too little time allocated to this, so my strategy to date has been "wait until greater powers break things that seem valuable, and buy some" |
18:11 |
phf |
asciilifeform: that's another hedge, you're a master hedge builder. /i/ don't think i could successfully financist, nor did i imply that by what i'm saying. i believe it or not like to see reality clear even if that clarity shows that i'm not the best of boys. |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: asciilifeform recs a tour of duty consulting at 1 of the various 'corewars shops' , to grasp subj |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
is pretty interesting to observe how actually worx |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
( talking to folx in these who spent whole life in subj, also informative, tho doesn't produce 'pics or didnt happen'(tm) that one can then link to folx on the net ) |
18:16 |
signpost |
I'm sure there's all manner of corruption and collusion with the central bank et al. |
18:18 |
phf |
and that's also the kind of information that business shares with a programmer while standing at the cooler :p |
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18:18 |
phf |
gtfo |
18:18 |
signpost |
sure, one could consider these things within the arena of play. |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
phf: lolnope. tho the basic 'seekrit' aint any kinda seekrit at all -- when the pro gamblers lose a bet, generally cover with nearly-phree credit (which on acct of printolade becomes payable off with future winnings) |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. the thing which actually powers entire reich on all levels |
18:20 |
signpost |
gonna bow out of this thread, but it does seem to my amateur eye that different banks were making different calls about how 2022 would go at the beginning of the year, and some of them were right. |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: observe that the folx who 'were wrong' are still inbiz |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
(and the chairs still have their yachts) |
18:21 |
asciilifeform |
it aint 'aztec basketball' where loser's head becomes the ball for next round. |
18:21 |
asciilifeform |
( occasionally, in 'famous' crashes, somebody is chosen & sacrificed, but not often ) |
18:22 |
signpost |
we agree that the sovereign has no honor, and rewards loyalty above virtue. |
18:22 |
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signpost bbl gents |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
picture if you could get 0% loan whenever, with ~no time parameter. could also be 'great financist', and could as easily do it in vegas as in nyse |
18:23 |
phf |
and i was in the thread for concrete subject, that is the nature of risk management, on account of it being misrepresented. i grew up in soviet union, heard this type of talk plenty in kitchens, still to this day. |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
phf: let's see if you agree w/ asciilifeform's game-theoretical model for subj. yer on a slow-moving train, with no windows, and know that at some pt will go off cliff. erry kilometre you get, say, 1000$ dropped in yer pocket. |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
what's the mathematically correct 'play' ? |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
(or is model not applicable? if so why) |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
model for pyramid , that is. |
18:26 |
asciilifeform |
the machinist in the locomotive -- has a window. he can see cliff, usually (unless drunk) |
18:26 |
phf |
you can't just keep tweaking your game to make your point, because shows your hand |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
phf: asciilifeform had exactly 1 point, but not sure if made clear |
18:27 |
phf |
which is not to actually participate in a game theoretical analysis (which i can only do rather superficially at this point, it's been decades, anyway), but to make some kind of rambling point about it all being rigged and everyone being a scamer |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
sole point was that mathematics will not help if there's nuffin to mathematicize with (and in a 'mmm' there normally aint) |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
there's only the choice of whether to walk in or not |
18:29 |
asciilifeform |
an 'mmm' does not even rise to the level of e.g. american state lotteries, where the odds are printed on the ticket and permit an elementary ev calc |
18:32 |
asciilifeform |
'risk calculation' actually worx, as taught in kindergarten, at e.g. horse track -- for so long as the race is run by rules, and the bets actually paid as agreed, rather than e.g. gestapo comes and confiscates the horses and all of the dough |
18:32 |
phf |
asciilifeform: you've also by the way commited the cardinal sin of game theory, which is also how the likes of bernanke and co get away with whatever they do. you're begging the question, that is choosing a particular game to illustrate a point by establishing an unsupported equivalence. |
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18:33 |
asciilifeform |
phf: asciilifeform willing to listen re why the offered equiv. aint factual |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
imho -- factual |
18:34 |
phf |
asciilifeform: lol, that's not how it works, you have to build an argument for why factual. because "don't know when the train falls" is the core of your position, but it's presented in a game as a given |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
afaik no way for pyramid players to know anyffin re where cliff is |
18:35 |
asciilifeform |
( excepting those connected with the perp ) |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
if yer a telepath -- can win. but otherwise ? |
18:36 |
phf |
these are all just hypotheticals and speculations presented as facts, i don't know how to respond to t hat |
18:37 |
phf |
one could e.g. make study of pyramids, identify their various inflection points, and then perhaps have a clearer idea, but maybe not. structured instrument pyramids are a lot more structured than "one mavrodi one mmm", can put further constraints on the process. |
18:38 |
phf |
there's by the way a further point to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106883 and why this conversation is unproductive |
18:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 14:30:35 phf: asciilifeform: you've also by the way commited the cardinal sin of game theory, which is also how the likes of bernanke and co get away with whatever they do. you're begging the question, that is choosing a particular game to illustrate a point by establishing an unsupported equivalence. |
18:38 |
asciilifeform |
for folx who believe they can infer , from public givens, when a pyramid is to fall -- there is ~inf dough |
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18:38 |
asciilifeform |
'флаг в руки' |
18:39 |
phf |
which is that you're trying to prove an argument, rather than make an honest discovery into the subject. you have no skin in game beyond the substance of the argument. if you for example, and by accident or intentionally, had some money running on a pyramid, might be a lot more interested in attempting to present viable models. even if "wake up from coma discovered that all money in mmm" if you were then to pull out, would have +ev, yet |
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18:39 |
phf |
somehow invalid? nothing to learn? no objective reality to it? |
18:40 |
phf |
and before "man on gallows looks for signs" comment on "viable model", there's a thin line there, but it exists |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
phf: not yet been in 'mmm coma' but for instance one time bet 1btc on sdice, won. not played again, because had no reason to think 'i've a winning model!' |
18:42 |
phf |
you presumably hold btc :> |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
believe or not |
18:43 |
phf |
anyway, i love a good срач as much as the next guy (next guy being signpost), gotta bow out |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
( but (also believe or not) not because 'to moon!' but because is actually useful ) |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
lolk |
18:44 |
phf |
i remember old log also at some point becoming a major time sync. kind of hard to match the participating of a guy with +++btc and ++++time :p |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
( apropos oldthrd ) |
18:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-18 20:11:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046430 << this oughta be direct q for mats : what aspects of current-day bitcoin are you 'married' to, in such a way that their demolition would be from your pov 'the end of' it ? |
18:45 |
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asciilifeform sadly only '+time' , and also must bbl |
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20:27 |
verisimilitude |
I agree with asciilifeform. |
20:27 |
verisimilitude |
I actually would stop, if I were to come across a banker on fire, not to piss on him, but in an attempt to take his wallet before it also burns. |
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21:12 |
verisimilitude |
It's good to find comfort. |
21:13 |
phf |
verisimilitude: he's certainly in good company |
21:13 |
verisimilitude |
``Fuck, why does my wrist hurt so much. I thought I was getting better. Oh right, the cat sliced it open; that's a relief.'' |
21:14 |
verisimilitude |
Get it right: He certainly would be in good company. |
21:18 |
phf |
the grammar of this idiom implies a hypothetical, which is how it's usually used. i'm not speaking idiomatically, stating the fait accompli: as a result of your statement asciilifeform found himself in good company. |
21:20 |
verisimilitude |
That was my second guess. |
21:20 |
verisimilitude |
It's unfortunate I misunderstood, then. |
21:21 |
verisimilitude |
I'd thought we were discussing the hypothetical burning banker. |
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21:39 |
punkman |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/vadwnw/the_whole_ponzi_is_unraveling/ic2iis4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: there's long series of these , 'the Great Cleansing will wipe planet clean of filth at last'. in practice sadly never quite happens |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
( hypothetically could e.g. discover that p==np and you can't have a bitcoin at all, then all the maggots maggoting on top of it could die with it, but not prior ) |
21:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-18 19:59:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046402 << pretty sure we had at least one 'what does it mean to ask whether bitcoin still works?' thread, and not long ago |
21:55 |
punkman |
https://protos.com/tether-minted-usdt-stablecoin-crypto-two-alameda-cumberland/ |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: that bomb will blow, 'when, not if', likely being saved for after the next (or n-th) pump, i.e. stroke of the piston |
21:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 13:08:03 asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston |
22:02 |
mats |
that comment is exceptionally incoherent |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
mats: which ? |
22:03 |
mats |
the reddit |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
mats: seems like iso standard 'soon the fools will return to mother church, good old benjies that, even if printed in unlimited qty, can still buy mcfood and therefore the one troo currency of our 10,000 year reich 4evah' |
22:05 |
mats |
'rats will collude to prop up the price' and then ends subsection with 'all turn on each other in scramble for door' |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
a habitual reddit smoker prolly has bookmarks of over9000 of these. during justabout erry dump, new crop |
22:06 |
signpost |
in other fetishes, mudila phone now works. had to get a new sim card and factory reset. |
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22:06 |
asciilifeform |
( during 'pump', similar but with 'flipped sign bit' -- 'soon erryone will dump worthless old green for $coin, with which didjaknow can even buy cars' etc ) |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: didn't work prev.? |
22:06 |
signpost |
in terms of being a LTE brick I can talk into, nb so far. |
22:06 |
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asciilifeform seems to only recall signpost's report that it worked on uncrating |
22:06 |
mats |
slow motion celsius implosion is good news |
22:06 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: for some reason, the SIM I pulled from an iPhone couldn't send texts. |
22:06 |
mats |
defi is retarded |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: odd |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: iirc some pnojes req. config of 'apn' etc for sms/data/voice separately |
22:07 |
signpost |
could've been not the SIM, but the factory reset, no idear. |
22:08 |
punkman |
interesting tweet by biggest Tether holder: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/vc9jzx/cumberland_one_of_cryptos_largest_market_makers/ |
22:08 |
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asciilifeform wishes could still get old-style copper phone ln |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
the 'five nines' kind |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
sadly in this shithole they only exist where nuffin else does |
22:09 |
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asciilifeform in new pad, as in old, the copper hangs sadly , chopped at the pole, and in the box on the latter -- bird's nest |
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22:30 |
verisimilitude |
I read ``copper'' as meaning ``policeman'' for just a moment. |
22:30 |
verisimilitude |
I'd be sad also if I were hanged. |
22:32 |
verisimilitude |
I overheard talk of the ``unplugged phone'' today, signpost. I tried to point out the oxymoronic name and stupid supposed guarantees, to deaf ears. |
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23:02 |
signpost |
what the fuck do I care? it's quiet, and does the few things I want. |
23:04 |
phf |
i'm thinking of setting up a canvas tent outside for summer work, complete with elephant caliber rifle and a pith helmet |
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23:07 |
signpost |
only sensible what with the epidemic of appalachian pachyderm attacks |
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23:07 |
phf |
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a1/6b/a7/a16ba7b6a6a32b692c6580136f27145e--british-colonial-style-campaign-furniture.jpg that could be me! |
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23:09 |
phf |
i already brew tea, this way can have stove, when friends come will refer to them as "m'boy" |
23:09 |
signpost |
lol |
23:09 |
phf |
will have a little library consisting purely of the likes of jerome k jerome, conan doyle and kipling |
23:10 |
phf |
which is the bulk of what i read anyway, if you remove ru |
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23:10 |
phf |
brilliant, i say, wot |
23:11 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106953 << gruesome, savage beasts, but enough of the locals. |
23:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 19:05:05 signpost: only sensible what with the epidemic of appalachian pachyderm attacks |
23:12 |
signpost |
bwahaha |
23:12 |
signpost |
I did most of my "work from home" on the porch here while the weather was nice. made a point to have the camera show as much beautiful weather to the californians living in their boxes as possible. |
23:12 |
signpost |
was particularly entertaing when their sky was orange atop cowering from the plague. |
23:13 |
signpost |
if one gotta type, why not type in one's element! (shakes jowls) |
23:14 |
signpost |
anyway, why care about the phone. it's heidegger's "ready-to-hand" concept. the human mind prepares the disclosed uses of the tool when tool's in hand. |
23:14 |
phf |
engineering is a base form of employment, but one can't leave it all to babus, they'll make an awful mess of it |
23:15 |
signpost |
hammer in hand, "everything's a nail" in the subjunctive. |
23:15 |
signpost |
iphone is therefore the tool from hell. |
23:17 |
phf |
and yet only in the hands of the civilized sort, when, time and time has this been demonstrated indeed in the most unfortunate, for the englishmen who had the misfortunate to participate, way, given to a savage it turns from a tool for hammering nails into the tool for hammering heads. |
23:18 |
signpost |
mhm, one has to inspect oneself for how much immersion in savagery seeps into himself, and remember that he an example both of himself and his kind. |
23:21 |
phf |
indeed not a few of the better sort of men have in the moments of passion, or when reduced to such by circumstances, have turned to savegery of the most despicable kind, which we necessarily must condemn, yet, one certainly must agree that not every sort of kind of man posseses the natural capacity for civilized living. |
23:23 |
phf |
goodness, i seem to have come in a possession of a lush mustache, since i decided to entertain this line of behavior, fancy a bit a buggery? |
23:23 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106952 << if you don't grow a handlebar mustache, and exclaim "By Jove!" when folx are speaking with you, this endeavour will fail. |
23:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-14 19:02:31 phf: i'm thinking of setting up a canvas tent outside for summer work, complete with elephant caliber rifle and a pith helmet |
23:23 |
signpost |
not my cup of tea old chap, but may I introduce you to another |
23:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-09 17:42:27 verisimilitude: I could continue on this sexual topic, but it would reveal a deeply unusual nature, so let's not. |