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00:03 phf pickard and apperson of IC fabbing when
00:07 vex run some shafts for geothermal turbines
00:08 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107753 This was a horrifying read.
00:08 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-20 16:58:28 dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-07-06 erlehmann: http://web.mst.edu/~lmhall/WhatToDoWhenTrisectorComes.pdf
00:09 phf "at peak we were fabbing about 5000 cpus a day -- 5000 a day? -- yes -- that's a lot of illegal cpus. do you know, do you know what kind of uses your cpus were put to -- i don't understand... -- what i'm asking is if you know that your cpus were put in use by domestic terrorists? -- look, now, we were -- i have information here from FBI, that links the use of your cpus with notorious domestic terrorist groups like proud boys and other
00:09 phf such white supremacist groups" etc.
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~
01:15 asciilifeform phf: precisely how it'd go, supposing someone discovered how to make it go; see e.g.
01:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-03-01 asciilifeform: unlicensed possession of glassware, caustics, 'drug precursors', ...
01:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-05-17 asciilifeform: i suspect that in not too long, ratshack will be remembered the way the folx who sold, openly and for cash on barrel, chemical glassware are remembered - which is to say not at all, 'you gotta be shitting me, there were never'
01:16 vex Deep in the earths crust, perfect crystal silicon is forming. This is no ancient geological process. Somehow, somewhere, the art of itegrated circuit manufacture has been taken to another level. With their smuggled wares prized throughout the Universe, we take you deep underground to visit a world of manufacture that has surface dwelling sweating.
01:16 asciilifeform lol
01:19 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107870 << apparently pickard was paroled in '20; had nfi
01:19 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-20 20:00:48 phf: pickard and apperson of IC fabbing when
01:19 asciilifeform ( d00d was sentenced to 'several consecutive life w/out parole' as is the usg custom )
01:20 asciilifeform fishwrap re subj ftr.
01:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107854 << riscv imho is a solid snore
01:21 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-20 18:33:23 amberglint: Speaking of slightly fancier sparcs, I've found a new MIT spin-off company that is selling a tagged RISC-V variant called Dover: https://www.dovermicrosystems.com/
01:21 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-25 13:11:41 asciilifeform: bonechewer: what's the newsworthy part ? there's already 'over9000' riscv already posted, and some even fit in ice40. (the issue with all of these is that they either fit in ice40, xor have decent performance. typically for the latter relies on various proprietary ram controllers & other periphs not included in src)
01:25 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107872 << observe that the folx discussed in that piece were not unintelligent. their problem was rather different.
01:25 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-20 20:05:37 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107753 This was a horrifying read.
01:26 asciilifeform see e.g.
01:26 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-03-05 asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
01:32 verisimilitude Okay, but there's also the matter of someone who never sees things through.
01:33 verisimilitude I'm going to view my language modelling work as a decent use of my time, since there be no proof it's not.
01:39 vex I'd agree verisimilitude. although I'd much rather read latin that whatver a kanadian karen konkockted
01:40 verisimilitude We agree, vex.
01:41 verisimilitude I'm done playing with the linguistics retardant for now.
01:41 verisimilitude Besides, some of what I did is reusable.
01:42 verisimilitude On the topic of unproductive work, my website now has a custom 404 page.
01:46 vex adlai must be pretty pleased with himself. circular train.
01:47 vex I wouldn't have thought of that
01:53 vex how many years in university for you verisimilitude?
01:57 vex still parsing the word?
01:58 vex this 404 better have tits if I go looking
02:01 verisimilitude That's private, vex.
02:01 verisimilitude There are no tits on my website.
02:02 vex Impressaprofessor. add tits. he might look
02:02 verisimilitude No.
02:02 vex fine whatever, you do you
02:09 vex try to stop annoying phf.
02:15 verisimilitude I wasn't trying.
02:15 vex I know. I said try not to
02:29 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDJ6Wbzgy3E for mircea
02:33 verisimilitude Here vex, my 404 page temporarily has some mammaries: http://verisimilitudes.net/error
02:33 verisimilitude Take a look.
02:34 verisimilitude She's even spreading her legs.
02:35 vex it'd been 12 moons
02:37 vex one might assume that your preparations are left wanting veris
02:37 verisimilitude What?
02:40 verisimilitude I'm about to change it back, vex.
02:40 vex there's no going back
02:41 vex ad infinitum
02:41 verisimilitude I've reverted the change.
~ 25 minutes ~
03:06 vex retards go home
03:07 vex sorry for your loss
03:09 vex lemme just dial up bingoboingo. you know what he'll ask
03:10 vex cunt's prolly popping out uraguay babies
03:13 vex why i',m invited to interface with globo... fuck you
~ 2 hours 8 minutes ~
05:21 adlai|text holy crap, vexual and verisimilitude having a conversation
05:21 adlai|text what's next!?
05:22 adlai|text possibly an idiotic question, yet... asciilifeform: would you even expect idealised lispm hardware to handle bignums with processor instructions?
05:24 adlai|text on one hand, this seems completely ridiculous to me; on the other hand, they are garbage, in the sense of being allocated data, that must get cleaned up.
05:34 verisimilitude In at least one Lisp Machine model, the microcode handled BIGNUM allocation.
05:34 verisimilitude I've conversed with vex beforehand.
05:37 verisimilitude Hey, adlai|text, I finally animated my crest; use a newer graphical WWW browser to watch it.
05:39 adlai|text it is beyond my pay grade to determine whether conversations between Vexual and verisimilitude are a milestone of intelligibility for one, tolerance of unintelligibility by the other... possibly both.
05:39 adlai|text verisimilitude: I have no graphical browser handy this minute, yet will probably use one within the hour... thank you for the headsup.
05:42 verisimilitude I'll make it easier.
05:42 verisimilitude It's so pretty; I could watch it all day.
05:43 adlai|text fwiw, isn't the proportion of people who have academic degrees so close to half, by now, that answering whether you have academic qualifications is almost minimally informative?
05:44 adlai|text from the perspective of keeping your identity private.
05:45 verisimilitude Sure.
05:46 adlai|text you give off strong autodidact vibes, although I'd not be surprised if you glided through one or two university degrees; and I'd be quite surprised if you actually went through the "PhD assembly line".
05:49 verisimilitude I'm entirely autodidactical with regards to programming.
05:49 adlai|text plot twist: verisimilitude moonlights as a professor of gender studies at berkley.
05:50 adlai|text ... here only to collect information on the neckbeards
05:51 adlai|text in political news - Israel's government has, for what may be the first time in Israel's history, declared its own failure, rather than the failure being the result of a "no confidence" vote.
05:53 adlai|text the most recent coalitions haven't even technically had one prime minister; there was some strange compromise where two would take turns, and in both cases, the governments failed before the switch. I find this more than a little amusing.
05:53 adlai|text "jam tomorrow", applied to parliamentary politics.
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07:23 verisimilitude I just corrected a flaw in my Trivial_Trie library.
07:23 verisimilitude I was reviewing it out of boredom and realized I didn't make an optimization I'd intended weeks ago; then I realized it was flawed.
07:23 verisimilitude I wrote Find in terms of Sift, both with a Seen out parameter, but these have slightly different meanings.
07:23 verisimilitude Sift may return Seen as True, but Find must set it to False or not based on the Trie node given by Sift.
~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~
08:53 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1107937 << notbad
08:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-21 01:40:07 verisimilitude: I'll make it easier.
08:56 verisimilitude I'm glad, crtdaydreams.
08:57 verisimilitude Line animation requires using a dashed line as long as the entirety of the line, stupidly.
08:57 verisimilitude A high-level means to tell the line to draw itself was too high-level, apparently.
08:58 verisimilitude That's why it didn't get done for three and one third years.
09:07 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106567 << I feel like this is deserving of an explaination even if nobodygivesashit. fwiw I don't owe him anything, not in theory. But so the story goes; mutha divorced father sometime in 2017/18, took us kids and >1/2 of everything despite having never worked or contributed ~anything~ of tangible worth. I can't fix the
09:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-13 21:03:08 signpost: yeah, but "I owe daddy" is worse.
09:07 crtdaydreams fuckups of my parents, but the least I can do is spend some time with my father. I'm not going to bore with sob story bullshit, point is; I'm working on it.
~ 20 minutes ~
09:28 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: what did you use to make it?
09:28 crtdaydreams inkscape?
09:29 crtdaydreams woulda been easier to edit if it was a gif
09:30 verisimilitude I wrote it by hand.
09:32 verisimilitude I don't know how to use Inkscape, and couldn't bear the thought of my vector graphics being inexact, so I learned enough about SVG to write it manually.
09:32 crtdaydreams with a hexeditor?
09:33 * crtdaydreams is rather impressed
09:33 verisimilitude I used Emacs; SVG is an XML format.
09:33 crtdaydreams 10/3 years would be adequate though, I can understand putting off such a gruelling task
09:34 crtdaydreams hm, on that note. XML, thoughts?
09:35 verisimilitude I don't like it.
09:35 crtdaydreams It's the basis for a chat protocol XMPP which I've been thinking of using as the GUI frontend for pest
09:35 verisimilitude It permits errors which may be eliminated entirely.
09:35 verisimilitude I prefer custom numerical formats.
09:35 crtdaydreams ah, could you elaborate a bit on the former and latter
09:36 verisimilitude To eliminate any possible confusion, the SVGs existed for years, and I've only just now animated it.
09:37 verisimilitude Compare XML to S-expressions.
09:37 verisimilitude (1 2 3)
09:37 verisimilitude <list>1 2 3</list>
09:37 verisimilitude What if I see this: <list>1 2 3</lsit>
09:38 verisimilitude The name doubling is the issue.
09:39 verisimilitude I need to update this: The Meta-Machine Code Targeted at CHIP-8: The Evolution of the Metadata Format
09:39 crtdaydreams I can see how that's disabling, to the extent that the syntactic sugar wears off quickly when you want to play with more complex ideas, i.e. macros.
09:39 verisimilitude This is a numerical format I've designed.
09:40 verisimilitude I don't call them ``binary'', but ``numerical''.
09:42 d4 oof https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/30/bleh.html
09:44 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: is the point of this format specifically for your hand-coding with the visual metaprogrammer?
09:44 verisimilitude I chose not to mention that here, but, yes, how amusing.
09:44 verisimilitude It's for the MMC, yes.
09:45 * crtdaydreams is unfamiliar with the CHIP-8 platform
09:45 verisimilitude It's the metadata of the machine code.
09:45 verisimilitude It's fun.
09:46 verisimilitude Here.
09:46 crtdaydreams I think though (as braindamaged as this belief may seem) that formatting should be tailored towards the storage medium.
09:48 crtdaydreams ^^^ *and data that's being stored.
09:50 crtdaydreams versimilitude: what emulator do you use? or have you written your own?
09:51 * crtdaydreams has realised above comment re: formatting is irrelevant
09:52 verisimilitude I use this one.
09:53 verisimilitude I don't play CHIP-8 games much.
09:54 crtdaydreams looks to be quite fun, could be door for some demoscene stuff
09:55 verisimilitude Yes.
09:55 verisimilitude Here, play this.
09:58 verisimilitude I'm now busy with other things.
09:58 crtdaydreams ta
~ 2 hours 55 minutes ~
12:53 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1107987 << wtf is/was 'sourcehut' ? what's the context for the wank?
12:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-21 05:40:30 d4: oof https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/30/bleh.html
12:54 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1107930 << naturally
12:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-21 01:20:25 adlai|text: possibly an idiotic question, yet... asciilifeform: would you even expect idealised lispm hardware to handle bignums with processor instructions?
12:59 d4 asciilifeform: https://sourcehut.org/ is a platform for with free services. It's basically a GitHub alternative but with more services.
~ 2 hours 10 minutes ~
15:10 asciilifeform d4: afaik there are over9000 of these. wat's the story behind author's claim 'When I complained this week about being DDoSed by a company with over a billion dollars in annual revenue, it was portrayed as righteous retribution and a sign of incompetence' etc. ?
15:10 phf asciilifeform: https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html
15:11 asciilifeform aa
15:12 * asciilifeform recalls over9000 crawlers (~none of which even pretended to eat 'robots.txt') bringing phuctor to a crawl until asciilifeform grudgingly cracked a book and emplaced proper indices etc
15:12 phf well sourcehut is kind of unique, is a product of lefty republic (except they won't call it republic, so it's a kind of lose anarcho collective), e.g. uxn people use sourcehut, 9front people, etc.
15:12 asciilifeform a, sorta like fsf's old svn hoster
15:12 asciilifeform (does it still exist..?)
15:14 * asciilifeform astonished that there are still people who think they can persuade crawler operators not to 'ddos' their tape&chewinggum public www
15:14 phf but specific issue is not particularly notable. the format of struggle sessions was integrated into american hippie communes under the general umbrela of radical transparency. progressive lefties adopted the format wholesale, leaning further into mental health side of things. so e.g. if the traditional approach to handling adversity might be "venting at a bar, talking to priest, stepping up", then lefty approach is to "venting to the
15:14 phf commune, talking to the commisar, stepping down"
15:15 phf happens on the regular, vague allegations, that are then propagated through media and other channels "a BAD thing happened to one of our WOMEN, i can't name names but everything is awful, and you should all feel bad"
15:16 asciilifeform a, these
15:17 * asciilifeform lolled re the substance of the gripe, rather than the format. tho the format also seemed odd. seems consistent w/ phf's model.
15:17 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-17#1102748
15:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-17 14:38:05 asciilifeform: '<nihilazo> uxn is a largely queer and leftist project' << lol
15:18 * asciilifeform recalls mp, shinohai , various folx stepping into these heathen pits and kickban within 15min
15:18 asciilifeform 'yer not nice!! this is a place for nice!! folx!'
15:20 shinohai And yet mp couldn't fathom why "that reddit experiment" went nowhere - merely posting a trilema link resulted in instant poast removal.
15:21 asciilifeform 'The Go team holds that this service is not a crawler, and thus they do not obey robots.txt — if they did, I could use it to configure a more reasonable “Crawl-Delay” to control the pace of their crawling...' << even 9y ago when 1st phuctor, were already over9000 bots which dun give a flying fuck re robots.txt and if they can find yer www, will suckle on it, all day long, at line rate. and e.g. ip bw rationing d
15:21 asciilifeform unwork, they have over9000 ip each. so no, can't host yer public www on a dialup, 'ip over dead goat', etc. fact.
15:21 asciilifeform (if it's a 100% static www -- ~maybe~. if actually costs some palpable cpu to serve a page -- fughetit)
15:26 asciilifeform incidentally, recall how 1 of the pheatures init. touted for 'git' was 'any box can be a server' ?
15:26 asciilifeform 'mysteriously' not happened in practice afaik anywhere
15:27 asciilifeform afaik errywhere where used, is used in precisely same style as cvs, svn, etc -- central host, 'star topology' of clients
~ 20 minutes ~
15:47 shinohai In Hoaxtoshi chain news: https://github.com/Blockchair/Blockchair.Support/issues/910#issuecomment-1159369293
~ 19 minutes ~
16:07 asciilifeform shinohai: '...businesses would buy API subscriptions, so we'd be able to cover the disk costs, the development costs, the cost of trying to figure our how to fit 10 exabytes into Postgres (not very trivial I think), etc.' << lol!
16:10 shinohai But it's the only blokechain that scales!
16:12 shinohai billymg an exciting career working as database liaison between Blockchair and BSV awaits you!
~ 17 minutes ~
16:30 billymg imagine the man-hours spent working on scam chains
16:30 billymg horrifying
~ 55 minutes ~
17:26 asciilifeform billymg: what hours? iirc normally they simply take prb and change coupla constants
17:26 asciilifeform ( in egregious cases, e.g. ethertardium, moar complicated, and they hire 'indians', but normally afaik above )
~ 49 minutes ~
18:16 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1108012 I didn't post that here at the time, but it really put this into perspective for me.
18:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-21 11:08:15 phf: asciilifeform: https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html
18:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-04 18:38:05 asciilifeform: spectacularly wasteful on a scale difficult, for those who have not witnesses w/ own eyes, to even imagine
18:17 verisimilitude I already knew Google was wasteful beyond belief, but that was such trivial and easily-corrected waste; a basic example still does wonders.
18:19 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1108031 I don't get much traffic, only a few thousand requests per day, but serving a completely static website with no TLS does mean I never have any such issues, yes.
18:19 dulapbot Logged on 2022-06-21 11:19:24 asciilifeform: (if it's a 100% static www -- ~maybe~. if actually costs some palpable cpu to serve a page -- fughetit)
18:19 asciilifeform verisimilitude: well, remember that they're externalizing the waste to ~other~. ( they've all the bw they could possibly use, 'too cheap to meter' etc)
18:20 verisimilitude I never felt the ``Hacker News Hug of Death'' those stupid assholes mention.
18:22 asciilifeform helps, aha, if static, no photos, no warez, no isos, no user-submittable forms , as on verisimilitude's www
18:25 verisimilitude So, they probably spend a penny per terabyte, or even get paid to use more bandwidth, like Rockefeller.
18:25 asciilifeform the latter
18:25 asciilifeform ('peering' orgs dun pay for bw in the usual sense)
18:26 verisimilitude I have one user-submittable form now.
18:26 verisimilitude It's still static, but it looks like more.
18:27 verisimilitude But yes, a request of my website is measured in tens of kibibytes at the most, usually.
18:30 asciilifeform verisimilitude: at a certain point, cpu & tcp state liquishit table exhaustion; but this takes moar 'popularity' than 'redditus wave' (tho not rate in even small-time organized ddos)
18:30 asciilifeform *not rare
18:32 * asciilifeform at one time was serving up ~tb/day of e.g. this page; but did include bitmaps
18:32 verisimilitude Yes.
18:33 verisimilitude That one page could have more accesses than my website.
18:33 verisimilitude How many times has it been accessed, one hundred thousand, one million?
18:34 * asciilifeform doesn't know precisely, could never be arsed to keep running stats
18:35 verisimilitude Well, how large is one request to it, in total?
18:36 asciilifeform curl http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 | wc -c --> ~160kB w/out the pics
18:36 verisimilitude Well those matter.
18:37 asciilifeform ( with -- nfi how to calculate quickly )
18:37 verisimilitude I suppose I'll use my WWW browsers profiling tool.
18:37 asciilifeform pics weigh ~2.5mb summed.
18:38 asciilifeform so that + above.
18:39 verisimilitude I'm seeing 1.69 megabytes.
18:39 verisimilitude Remember the compression.
18:39 asciilifeform prolly
18:39 asciilifeform at any rate, not imho very interesting, what diff does it make how many redditus 'read' a page.
18:39 verisimilitude I think the Redditors call this ``a heckin chonker''.
18:40 asciilifeform ( and how many perl bots crawl )
18:40 asciilifeform verisimilitude: how much, outta curiosity, weighs e.g. google's front pg ?
18:40 asciilifeform per that browser tool
18:41 verisimilitude So, roughly five hundred thousand requests would be a terabyte.
18:41 verisimilitude I'll disable my proxy and check, asciilifeform.
18:42 verisimilitude I'm told 11.45 kilobytes, but I've JavaScript disabled.
18:42 asciilifeform a lol
18:42 asciilifeform iirc most of it is js liquishit
18:42 verisimilitude Yes.
18:44 verisimilitude I was going to sarcastically remark ``If only my WWW browser had a tool to check these things.'' before recalling that it does. It's in the F12 menu, asciilifeform.
18:45 verisimilitude I use Firefox, note.
18:50 verisimilitude 100% wholesome copyright laundering
18:56 asciilifeform verisimilitude: old noose
18:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-08 15:42:32 asciilifeform: anyways the linked items ('copilot', 'tabnine') imho logical products of the ongoing deskilling of the profession.
18:59 verisimilitude Yes, old noose, new rafter.
~ 1 hours 58 minutes ~
20:58 asciilifeform !q uptime
20:58 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 370d 17h 53m
21:00 verisimilitude Congratulations on the uptime.
21:00 asciilifeform lolty
21:01 * asciilifeform tries to recall whether any fleanode box at any pt had yr+ up
21:01 asciilifeform ... if did, wasn't any asciilifeform ever sat on
21:02 asciilifeform iirc they regularly went down for 'upgrades' ( and moar often simply fell down w/out any claimed explanation )
21:05 verisimilitude It reminds me of the subhumans who claim a large organization must have better uptime than something self-hosted.
21:05 asciilifeform verisimilitude: see also e.g.
21:05 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-02-18 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
21:06 verisimilitude It amused me, to read that something did have better uptime than Google, Amazon, and all of the rest: Bitcoin.
21:06 asciilifeform verisimilitude: or any other p2p net
21:07 asciilifeform e.g.
21:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-18 18:44:59 asciilifeform: ( and observe that we didn't need a million $ cluster or whateverthefuck googletardation, for it )
21:10 asciilifeform ... a pestronic www hosting hypothetically will give you coupla 100 (or whatever yer l3+) mirrors for phree.
21:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
21:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-01 09:52:27 asciilifeform: what's needed is http over pest, where can fetch e.g. http://localhost:1337/asciilifeform/loper-os.org and it'll work for so long as asciilifeform is in yer l_n (for some n)
21:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 16:32:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082219 << any solution that doesn't resolve to 'EVERY reader also mirrors' in fact serves enemy by drawing attention away from actual solutions.
21:10 asciilifeform ( 1ce sumbody has an l3+ , that is )
21:12 asciilifeform granted, need static www or equiv.
21:14 asciilifeform 1 particular box w/ yr+ uptime aint any kinda achievement ( all that's req'd is NOT to use junk irons, but rather proper , with ecc , in a reasonable dc ) ; but with actual p2p net , 'uptime' no longer interesting concept at all
21:15 verisimilitude We have to jerk off over something.
21:15 asciilifeform lol
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~
22:21 mats happy anniversary, did someone get a cake?
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