00:45 |
vex |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-05#1100047 what an elegant example of a starndard it is too |
00:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-05 03:31:38 signpost: asciilifeform once took a crack at enumerated meaning of signatures. |
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01:10 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100602 << and when >1 valid path ? |
01:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-08 12:41:17 thimbronion: Why not allow "locking" of selected l2+ handles to a set of peers? If a message from a locked handle does NOT come through ALL peers to which locked with n bounces, annotate. Thus if alice and bob both have a mallory and mallory locally is locked at 1 bounce to bob, mallory with for example 1 bounce via alice ONLY will be annotated. This would of course be a heurstic and not |
01:19 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: hm, example? |
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02:26 |
vex |
while you ponder that thimbronion, I'll suggest to verisimilitude to make his own desk |
02:32 |
vex |
i suggest a box style frame made of rhs, with some nice timber atop |
02:33 |
vex |
when the fbi comes, they'll wonder how you got it in the door |
02:42 |
vex |
it doesn't matter how much your dog costs, they can shoot it. they can't cut your desk up |
02:43 |
vex |
although, rules change |
02:44 |
vex |
being rich and russian and nautical is now a crime |
02:49 |
vex |
stupid pricks should be sailing |
02:52 |
vex |
if you need 20 tonne of diesel every week, it's not working |
02:54 |
vex |
I know where i'd be if I was suddenly persona non gratis |
03:00 |
vex |
not really, but I hope I'd be able to work it out in time |
03:01 |
vex |
mebbe to NH, working for signpost |
03:07 |
vex |
stay awake all night blasting potential intruders |
03:08 |
vex |
I'm actually pretty good creeping in the dark; my eyesight isn't that great in the daytime |
03:11 |
vex |
i'd be pissed and snoring waiting for predator tho |
03:12 |
vex |
i need a horse and a dog and a cat and a galah |
03:15 |
vex |
whosmsovever worries about heir ocr shouldn't |
03:17 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=namFjcOgHSE |
03:24 |
vex |
thimbronion, I like to transpose alice & bob for names I know |
03:24 |
vex |
cycle until it makes sense |
03:27 |
vex |
soon enough you run oughtta names, alice and robert come around |
03:28 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VpF5kSDQjQ |
03:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100608 << e.g. this net. say you're station '0'. |
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03:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-08 21:18:04 thimbronion: asciilifeform: hm, example? |
03:33 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFEZOjtrwls when GL never came home from mexico |
03:34 |
vex |
here we go |
03:34 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: path of msg from '4' to '0' will vary depending on which links are alive |
03:35 |
asciilifeform |
( www tool randomly picked for generating these ftr ) |
03:37 |
asciilifeform |
can prolly come up with better example, but this one imho suffices |
03:37 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: not seeing a 4 |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
waiwat |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
purple |
03:38 |
thimbronion |
2 -> green, 0 is blue, 1 is orange. No purple that I can see. |
03:38 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozG0O5DOmPk |
03:39 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: yer on a cga monitor or wat. it's right there in the screenshit. |
03:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-08 23:32:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100608 << e.g. this net. say you're station '0'. |
03:40 |
thimbronion |
lolno |
03:40 |
thimbronion |
I wish |
03:41 |
vex |
fwiw monkey isalnd is coming |
03:41 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: are you looking at the png or the 'tool' link ? |
03:41 |
thimbronion |
png worx |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
that's the correct link |
03:42 |
vex |
2022 scumm |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/paths.png |
03:46 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/multipath.png << better example. you're '0' and station in question is '5'. path to you from the latter can be 5->4->1->0, 5->3->2->0, 5->2->1->0, even if 4,3,2 are all alive, randomly |
03:53 |
thimbronion |
If 0 locked 5 to 1 at 2 bounces, I don't see how an annotation could result in multipath.png. |
04:00 |
thimbronion |
However, if 1 were connected to another net that had a 5 through one intermediary, THAT would not be annotated, which is bad. |
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04:27 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: say, is so 'locked', and then 5 peers with 1. nao you have 5->1->0, through no fault of yer own, and this invalidates your 'lock' |
04:28 |
asciilifeform |
you update it, and next week their link breaks (temporarily or otherwise), thenwat |
04:29 |
asciilifeform |
point asciilifeform was trying to make is that paths through the net aint in any sense permanent, or reliably knowable (beyond l1), or all that meaningful arguably |
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04:30 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. in multipath.png 1 is equally likely to see 5's msg through 4, 2, or 2, in any given instance, depending on who is alive |
04:31 |
asciilifeform |
he might also see it from e.g. 0 if the latter links up with 5 at whatever point |
04:32 |
asciilifeform |
likewise, a hypothetical impostor-5 who's connected via 4,3,2 will not be distinguishable from genuine-5 |
04:32 |
asciilifeform |
(without some other mechanism) |
04:34 |
asciilifeform |
( recall that the 'complete path' is not available to anyone, all a station can see is via which l1 a msg arrives ) |
04:35 |
asciilifeform |
that is, this is the only hard prior; any other info is 'promisetronic' |
04:37 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
04:42 |
vex |
smartarse |
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13:41 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
13:41 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $33345.54 |
13:41 |
asciilifeform |
cheapcoinz!!1 |
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14:22 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100657 << specified algo only allows locking to l1 peers and also is a heuristic, as stated. Empirically people don't update their graph all that much. |
14:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 00:27:34 asciilifeform: point asciilifeform was trying to make is that paths through the net aint in any sense permanent, or reliably knowable (beyond l1), or all that meaningful arguably |
14:34 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: atm nobody has much in the way of an l2+ |
14:34 |
asciilifeform |
so imho early to speak of 'empirically' |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: gotta admit, asciilifeform still not sees what 'locking to l1' gets you there |
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16:05 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100673 << it gets you "Thus if alice and bob both have a mallory and mallory locally is locked at 1 bounce to bob, mallory with for example 1 bounce via alice ONLY will be annotated." Can argue whether or not that is a valuable heuristic, but can't say "locking to l1" doesn't get you anything -- at least so far. |
16:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 10:35:17 asciilifeform: thimbronion: gotta admit, asciilifeform still not sees what 'locking to l1' gets you there |
16:07 |
thimbronion |
Lets say pest as implemented was much larger and there were some dupe handles in the net - one approach you could take would be to get the dupes in your L1 if you cared about what they had to say, or get someone connected to the dupe in your L1. |
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17:00 |
thimbronion |
Also, aside from namespaces, what are the politics of merging two large nets? How do you decide to peer your existing net to another vs. spin up a new station to join another net? Presumable if you want to join a high value net organized around a different subject you spin up a new station rather than bring in a large wholly unrelated net and end up getting blocked. |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: imho this kinda thing will have to be fleshed out in the field, when actually happens |
17:04 |
thimbronion |
$ticker btc usd |
17:04 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $31611.87 |
17:05 |
thimbronion |
whew boy here we go |
17:06 |
asciilifeform |
maybe at last the great cleansing of the scum |
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17:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'. |
17:07 |
signpost |
80% drawdown from peak is approx 13k |
17:07 |
signpost |
if this happens, fuck it, I'm still young. I'm throwing the rest of my idle net worth in. |
17:10 |
asciilifeform |
the banishment of 'institutional' scum from btcism can't happen soon enuff. |
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17:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-29 22:17:22 asciilifeform: usg's entire anti-btc strategy currently seems to reduce to 'turn it into speculative hell', lest it become the obvious go-to inflation shelter |
17:11 |
signpost |
so far just looks like normal halving cycle dynamics. |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: next halving is at 840k neh |
17:12 |
signpost |
yeah, approx may 2024 |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. ~2y from nao |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
this wk's dip has 0 to do w/ halving afaik. but rather with the sinking of reich paperola (reich interest rate increase) |
17:13 |
signpost |
not proposing a single cause; if interest rate hell exacerbates the post-lemming correction, hot damn, I say. |
17:15 |
asciilifeform |
reich succeeded in jacking up btc-usd rate by flooding goxmarket w/ papercoin; after which exchrate stiffly correlated with all other reich paper. |
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17:17 |
thimbronion |
Indeed in other crashes there was somewhere else to go besides dollars. |
17:17 |
signpost |
sure, BTC has been hilariously pegged to nasdaq for quite a while |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
( secondary aim of this effort was to help keep coin outta human hands and in lizard chests ) |
17:17 |
signpost |
in any case, buying opportunity, just like after 2013, 2017 |
17:18 |
signpost |
then supply of the real thing will clamp further. |
17:18 |
thimbronion |
Now after everyone buys a bunch of dollars: "gee thanks gonna tell my frens then print like hell" |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: the interesting thing is that 'supply of the real thing' aint afaik detectably relevant to the exchrate. as with e.g. gold. |
17:24 |
signpost |
we got a pretty strong parabolic run after every halving. |
17:24 |
signpost |
but I could be wrong, and can always go back to making webshits. |
17:24 |
signpost |
or potatoes! |
17:25 |
signpost |
could very well be that these were only possible in the easy liquidity regime that is supposedly ending. |
17:32 |
signpost |
https://archive.ph/VoLAE << saylor's first margin call is at $21k apparently, lol |
17:39 |
billymg |
will be interesting to see if they manage to crash the stock market while keeping rent, groceries, and other essentials inflated |
17:41 |
signpost |
iirc jpow recently mentioned that they didn't have "tools" for managing supply, just demand. |
17:41 |
signpost |
entirely possible they crush what paper-wealth was had, while food etc continues skyward |
17:41 |
billymg |
of the dollar? or the other side? |
17:41 |
signpost |
supply of goods, yeah |
17:43 |
billymg |
yeah, i have a feeling cost of living ain't coming back down |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: it's a ratchet, in reich has only ever went up |
17:44 |
billymg |
i'm amused at the thought of NFLX comp reviews though "sorry, no budget for raises this year" "but my rent just went up 30%!!" |
17:45 |
shinohai |
"What food shortages? Just look at all these tasty bugs!" |
17:48 |
billymg |
i know this is a meme chart but it still feels like the most likely trajectory for btc |
17:49 |
billymg |
i also don't think the dollar is making a comeback after the civil asset forfeitured russia, even if they stop printing |
17:49 |
billymg |
they* |
17:49 |
signpost |
which doesn't really tell you how much gold for a loaf of bread. |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: tbf the paper-gold market not existed then |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
( weimar period ) |
17:50 |
* |
signpost figures also a world war ahead yet. whatever wins will decide what the bread-to-btc ratio shall be. |
17:50 |
signpost |
I'm accumulating btc because there isn't another instrument in which to preserve *any* wealth, rather than gainz!1!! |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
tho there's also the obvious 'pile up physical usefuls' |
17:51 |
signpost |
mmmhm |
17:52 |
* |
signpost just bought a mighty nice rifle and a shitload of ammocoin |
17:53 |
asciilifeform |
not only 'sexy' rifles, ammo, but e.g. spare parts. e.g. asciilifeform's new pad coming to resemble soviet sub, where 3-4 spares for errything |
17:54 |
signpost |
sure, tools, consumables, gas storage, etc |
17:55 |
* |
signpost and wife will also be doing some traveling this year to determine whether/where to gtfo. |
17:57 |
* |
billymg would be happy to show signpost around here if he decides to add it to his short list |
17:58 |
signpost |
will definitely give you a shout anytime we visit CR in the future. |
18:01 |
billymg |
the pantsuit press calls the new president "trump-like" and "populist" and "blah blah blah women are wary blah blah" |
18:02 |
thimbronion |
billymg: good news about the masks |
18:02 |
billymg |
thimbronion: yeah, finally |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
'putin cured covid'(tm)(r)(meme) |
18:03 |
billymg |
i'm trying to find a chart of real estate priced in btc, but best i could do was a % scaled overlay with the two (in tradingview) |
18:05 |
billymg |
(which shows btc still doing its job quite well, even if only measured from 2017 to now) |
18:05 |
verisimilitude |
I should probably consider spending what remains of my savings before they become entirely worthless. |
18:05 |
verisimilitude |
I'm glad to have never considered the pursuit of money for its sake to be worthwhile. |
18:14 |
signpost |
certainly not, just a useful tool. |
18:15 |
verisimilitude |
I'd sooner call it evil than useful. |
18:26 |
signpost |
this is lazy without an alternative algorithm for organizing planet-scale human activity that isn't "uh, the smart people tell everyone what to be doing" |
18:28 |
verisimilitude |
The idea that money is ``for organizing planet-scale human activity'' is part of the evil. |
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18:29 |
signpost |
yes, you have to supply another mechanism before you get to say "not that way" |
18:30 |
verisimilitude |
Violence is a more honest way, and prevents old and worthless vermin from seizing control in the same way. |
18:31 |
verisimilitude |
Say, signpost, does money work on controlling North Korea? |
18:32 |
verisimilitude |
There's a reason Israel and the US think the ``World Bank'' or whatever should control that country rather than its true rulers. |
18:32 |
signpost |
I don't see that money and violence are alternatives for one another. |
18:32 |
signpost |
often enough what constitutes money is imposed by violence. |
18:32 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, I agree. |
18:33 |
verisimilitude |
Violence requires more physical presence than money, however. |
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18:53 |
signpost |
isn't even that I love money. it's that all centrally-planned economics to date have failed with successively larger craters left behind. |
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18:53 |
signpost |
*economies |
18:54 |
signpost |
important to admit that bitcoin is only hypothetically decentralized. hypothesis being tested currently. |
19:01 |
verisimilitude |
There's reason to believe the USSR could've succeeded with modern computing power. |
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19:06 |
verisimilitude |
Capitalism has given us the broken world of the present, signpost. |
19:15 |
mats |
microstrategy looking real good |
19:23 |
verisimilitude |
It's interesting to notice for what purpose an element of an interface exists, recognizing an edge case, only to test it and notice it doesn't handle it at all and is simply broken. |
19:30 |
signpost |
yep, I won't defend modern fiat-banking capitalism. |
19:30 |
signpost |
nor am I qualified to propose an alternative. |
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21:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100757 << succeeded just fine. on 9 may 1945, when handed 'civilized world' its arse on a platter. but in '53, circle of mediocrities poisoned the king, and started 4 decades of comprador decline. |
21:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 15:00:00 verisimilitude: There's reason to believe the USSR could've succeeded with modern computing power. |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
mats: wtf is a 'microstrategy' ? |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100754 << all, without exception, industrial economies -- centrally planned. for 100+y nao. |
21:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 14:51:57 signpost: isn't even that I love money. it's that all centrally-planned economics to date have failed with successively larger craters left behind. |
21:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:30:15 asciilifeform: really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term |
21:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-17 12:16:58 asciilifeform: billymg: reichs recur historically with regularity, and the moar centralizing the tech stack at the time, the bigger the reich -- and its eventual crater. imho entirely defensible statement of fact. |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
(see also.) |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100745 << may encourage verisimilitude to realize that it aint in fact run 'with money'. oligarchs aint oligarchs 'because have money', they are simply deputies of the reich (typically, tho not always, 'titled nobility') to whom freshly-printed dough is simply issued |
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21:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 14:26:25 verisimilitude: The idea that money is ``for organizing planet-scale human activity'' is part of the evil. |
21:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 14:33:08 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
( unauthorized, i.e. plebe, who 'suddenly' comes across a serious pile of dough -- virtually immediately 'has problems' and separated from it ) |
21:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-17 18:29:20 asciilifeform: billymg: i disagree that it's a numeric problem, even necessarily. say, martians land, and leave you 25 tonnes of refined pu as a parting gift. you will 'pass into elite' ? or perhaps not ? what do you suppose would happen ? |
21:45 |
signpost |
yes, I was commenting on the idea of a command economy which does not use money to facilitate. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw even sovok economy 'used money to facilitate' |
21:46 |
signpost |
yup |
21:53 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=microstrategy&chan=asciilifeform |
22:02 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100771 I know the money is truly worthless, but the claim is otherwise. Most evil in the world can be traced to religions and primitive instinct. |
22:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-09 17:41:56 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100745 << may encourage verisimilitude to realize that it aint in fact run 'with money'. oligarchs aint oligarchs 'because have money', they are simply deputies of the reich (typically, tho not always, 'titled nobility') to whom freshly-printed dough is simply issued |
22:03 |
thimbronion |
verisimilitude: afaict there isn't any notion of good or evil *outside of* religion |
22:03 |
verisimilitude |
Mammon exists, regardless. |
22:04 |
verisimilitude |
I usually see that from the religious, thimbronion. |
22:04 |
verisimilitude |
I disagree. |
22:04 |
thimbronion |
verisimilitude: or anyone that has stuidied philosophy |
22:05 |
verisimilitude |
Everyone cunning wants a monopoly on something, such as morality. |
22:06 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: define evil. |
22:08 |
verisimilitude |
Evil is opposed to good. |
22:11 |
signpost |
I do not have infinite patience for persuading you to communicate sanely. |
22:12 |
verisimilitude |
Defining good is more difficult. |
22:12 |
verisimilitude |
I know it when I see it, signpost. |
22:12 |
verisimilitude |
What answer should I give? |
22:13 |
signpost |
one contextualized sufficiently that I don't have to ask for each individual piece of the world-model that emitted it. |
22:13 |
shinohai |
Mammon exists but we just get un mamón instead. |
22:14 |
verisimilitude |
Mutilating children is evil; destroying valuable work is evil; wasting time on games such as making money is evil; stupidity is evil. |
22:16 |
verisimilitude |
By ``wasting time on games such as making money'', I refer to banking and the like, not normal work. |
22:16 |
shinohai |
Valuable work is subjective though. I'm sure covertress thought "kryptoncoin" was valuable before I rekt it. |
22:16 |
signpost |
I see the finite span of one's time running through all these. |
22:16 |
verisimilitude |
Killing isn't evil, especially when killing evil. |
22:18 |
signpost |
if the child didn't lose something irreparably by being mutilated, whatever evil is, it would be less so if this were the case, eh? |
22:18 |
signpost |
so finiteness and also irreversibility of time. |
22:19 |
verisimilitude |
Sure; we live in an evil reality. |
22:24 |
signpost |
the bare assertion of "evil" is likely to bounce of others, given it most likely indicates "submit to me" and zilch else. |
22:25 |
signpost |
reality being evil makes no sense, as your "evil" depends on the definition of "good". |
22:26 |
signpost |
where's the good go if reality is evil? |
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22:43 |
verisimilitude |
I don't know. |
22:46 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps good is only in the minds of some men. |
22:50 |
signpost |
good and evil itself is definitely only in the minds of men, which doesn't diminish it. |
22:50 |
signpost |
makes plenty of sense to standardize the ways in which we reason about what actions we'll take. |
22:51 |
signpost |
or how the hell to coordinate? and if we'll not coordinate, what reason to have language? |
22:52 |
signpost |
one might find things which strengthen that process of coordination in line with historic concepts of good, and those which destroy it evil. |
22:53 |
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signpost operates from the notion that the web-of-trust wasn't recently invented, is intrinsic to human behavior. |
22:53 |
signpost |
it's one of the algorithms that drive that coordination. |
22:54 |
verisimilitude |
I can agree. |
22:55 |
signpost |
why continue to coordinate, and not die instead? I'm fine with saying that it's because I don't know what the hell the answer to that question is, and only one of the two alternatives might eventually yield an answer. |
22:56 |
signpost |
perhaps in this framing good is what gives the coordinating human object as many cracks at the unanswerables as possible |
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23:05 |
mats |
asciilifeform: michael saylor's bizint firm that holds the most bitmaize of any public corp |
23:06 |
mats |
mentioned several times in log now |
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23:28 |
asciilifeform |
a ty mats . found |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
( even found thread lol ) |
23:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-23 13:46:00 asciilifeform: punkman: right; so q is, whether microstrategy et al are qualitatively different kinds of organization with somehow infinite secret-keeping ability |
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23:56 |
crtdaydreams |
I just found out that for whatever reason Nvidia proprietary drivers require rust lmao |
23:57 |
crtdaydreams |
not to mention all the systemdisms that I tried to remove in portage.mask/crapolade |
23:58 |
crtdaydreams |
settling for removing them in useflags so it should only be nvidia shitware that actually uses them |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
crtdaydreams: hm how does a binturd require rust ? |
23:58 |
crtdaydreams |
asciilifeform: i have no idea |
23:58 |
crtdaydreams |
it won't emerge without it, that's for sure |
23:59 |
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asciilifeform scrapped last nvidia board yr+ ago, so nfi |
23:59 |
crtdaydreams |
lol |
23:59 |
crtdaydreams |
I just got a 3060 |