00:02 |
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asciilifeform reads the 2nd link, and quite 'a trip' -- inescapable feeling of 'this must be written by martians, from parallel dimension...' -- so little connection it has to the planet3 on which asciilifeform lives |
00:02 |
asciilifeform |
'An Authority/Right quadrant Master discourse would focus on, maybe keeping gas prices low! Maybe GDP, job creation, banking profits. Used to be enemy casualties or victory tallies. It depends on the Master narrative used by the discourse. Right now that narrative is jobs-centric in US politics, so great there’s plenty of data about that. Enough to snow anyone who questions the narrative maybe. Bridgewater, even thou |
00:02 |
asciilifeform |
gh Ray often questions Trump, he’s a questioning guy after all, fits perhaps more in this discourse than a smaller fund that has to stand out through top analysis, because their scale represents the winner-take-all power curve skew that tends to accompany Mastery, and they allocate based often on this kind of econometrics.' |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
mats do you actually read these before posting..? this one could've easily come outta shannonizer (say, 'gpt') |
00:04 |
mats |
it does remind me a bit of reading mp in chan after hes had a few drinks |
00:04 |
mats |
but i promise i do read them |
00:05 |
asciilifeform |
i dun recall him ever getting to ~this~ level, lol |
00:06 |
mats |
i'll stop sharing about cryptodollarization, think i beat this horse to death |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: it aint a wholly uninteresting subj, from a scamological pov, imho. but some of the linked people... i'd like to know what kinda dope they're on |
00:08 |
mats |
the second guy's basic point is that cryptodollarization is an intermediate step towards bitcoinization |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i'm not aware of a universally-shared portrait of 'bitcoinization' |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
mats: how do you picture it ? |
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asciilifeform historically when tried to picture it, the result almost makes 'goldization' as depicted by ayn rand et al, what with errybody walking w/ bags of gold dubloons strapped to their belts, look realistic.. |
00:11 |
mats |
note that i'm just gonna work with some random, if even figures here |
00:13 |
mats |
dollar dominance ends up halved if btcusd goes to $1mn/ea: current us m3 is ~20tn usd, 19mn btc monetary mass at $1/mn puts it at about 19tn |
00:14 |
asciilifeform |
mats: rright but this is straight outta archimedes's gigantic lever moving the earth. physically -- possible. but how would it come about ? |
00:15 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051784 << lol, this deviation? |
00:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 19:46:53 asciilifeform: '...the US has a much stronger economy than almost all global peers. The US has been home to most of the wealth generated from the recent secular growth period fueled by software and computing innovation, a fact you can confirm by looking at the deviation between the S&P500 and all other global indices over the last 30 years' << rofl |
00:17 |
mats |
mass digital yuan adoption in the east results in drawdowns of usd reserves, threatening dollar dominance, because what do they need a third country's currency for during trade settlement |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: see also e.g. thrd |
00:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:40:34 asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in. |
00:18 |
mats |
probably they'll keep some around as a store of value, but its necessity in commerce continues to decline |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: meanwhile in usa , officials wanking over '4th stimulus', at least one purported version of which would be a recurring printism/handout 'until end of pandemic' etc |
00:20 |
mats |
the sprint for safe assets continues, bitcoins become more desirable as the americans continue to use the western bloc as inflation sinks for social welfare projects |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
subj! (prepare barf bag..) |
00:22 |
mats |
eventually all fiat is de facto pegged to bitcoins, whether admitted or not |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the interesting question is why ~already~ does anyone buy e.g. 'stonks' rather than btc. and i can think of several plausible reasons |
00:23 |
mats |
regulatory roadblocks, that's it, full stop |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
the most interesting of these is the 'muskization' which gives a picture -- from strictly numeric pov -- of btc/usd stagnation |
00:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-10 20:36:13 asciilifeform: shinohai: musk plays a very predictable and straightforward role in the usg.spectable -- helping to maintain the volatility. |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. musk & co pump btc-usd to 3-10x of what 'organically' would be. after this, the hill-climbers automagically see 'hmm, btc stagnant, let's buy stonks' |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
(and this is not even to mention the muskers periodically 'dropping' it, for good measure, to induce panic-selling and margin calls) |
00:25 |
mats |
institutions can't buy bitcoins at spot, there's no spot or futures btc etf, they're stuck fooling around with chump change until there's more clarity |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
aaaand nobody cancelled ye olde waterfall. periodically reich seizes coupla thou btc and dumps on market as-needed. |
00:27 |
asciilifeform |
mats: buying bona-fide on-chain coinz is for, y'know, 'terrorists'. institutions -- print papercoin. |
00:27 |
asciilifeform |
for their purposes, is not simply as good, but better than real thing. |
00:27 |
mats |
pump and dumps don't guarantee earned money for the pumper, but it does create volatility |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
mats: it makes 'stonks' appear to hill-climbers to be a superior horse in the glue factory. which is i suspect the primary objective. |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
'btc aint growing, crapple is growing' |
00:32 |
mats |
paper bitcoins are still better than dollars, honestly |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
mats: imho this is lulzy, rather like to say that MMM stock 'still better than' ruble |
00:33 |
mats |
like it or not, lots of people prefer certified instruments over bearer instruments |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
goxes go bust regularly. usd otoh slowly inflates to toilet paper (with presumably one day ragnarok when ->0) |
00:34 |
mats |
not like bearer instruments are downside free |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
bank.fiatola aint a bearer instrument |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
(suitcase.fiatola -- yes, is) |
00:35 |
mats |
whether a paper bitcoin works or not depends on the issuer |
00:35 |
mats |
i trusted trinque just fine, no problems |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
mats: not to salt wound, but iirc you also trusted mpex |
00:36 |
mats |
correct |
00:37 |
asciilifeform |
errything 'worx' until doesn't |
00:37 |
mats |
what is this, 2014, i get hazed again |
00:37 |
asciilifeform |
mno. simply imho trusting trinque.wallet was a rational act, but mpex -- less so |
00:38 |
asciilifeform |
even a rube like asciilifeform , even in '12, was able to see that it was a pyramid |
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00:39 |
asciilifeform |
folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM. |
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00:39 |
mats |
if i thought i could never trust anyone ever again, i'd have left for the wilderness years ago |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
( to his credit, mp was moar sophisticated then mavrodi, did not ~promise~ growth.. ) |
00:41 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i argue that it is often (if not necessarily always) possible to spot a scam, from given priors. |
00:41 |
mats |
mike_c and mod6 funds squatting were flags i ignored, for sure |
00:42 |
asciilifeform |
and that this does not require deep expertise. but folx do not listen to logic, they think 'yes this is a train going off a cliff, but i am 313337, i know how to jump off just in time!' |
00:42 |
mats |
like i told you before, operating on cash and carry bases has its own costs |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
there was an interesting talk (linked iirc by mats!) maybe in '14 ? about how scammers in traditional settings (i.e. 'numbers games' in back alleys) relied on this sin, where folx believe 'yes, is scam, but i can outsmart the scammer' |
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00:44 |
asciilifeform |
mats: indeed has cost. quite likely, fella who studiously avoids scams will never 'strike rich'. |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
but also will probably not get cleaned out. |
00:45 |
mats |
careful relationship management and iterated prisoners dilemma works fine |
00:45 |
mats |
the trick is not to put so much bank roll in play you'd be cleaned out |
00:46 |
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asciilifeform wonders how many folx could honestly say they truly 'did not put too many eggs in any basket' |
00:47 |
mats |
a friend's kid brother plays the moving stuff from place to place game, grosses a respectable sum every month, and does it with basically 90% credit |
00:47 |
asciilifeform |
mats: now scale that down to a, say, 1k usd net worth. |
00:48 |
asciilifeform |
picture you were appointed as financial advisor to one such. where wouldja tell him to 'diversify' ? euro? yen ? could say it to him w/ a straight face ? |
00:48 |
mats |
the people he works with, you wouldn't trust with a nickel, and nor would a bank, but he makes it work with handshakes and stacks of paper |
00:49 |
asciilifeform |
iirc is what mp (said, at any rate) did |
00:49 |
asciilifeform |
if yer a 'people person', and made it to 'correct' geography, may work for you. |
00:52 |
mats |
i'm not a people person, but i try, and its opened doors i couldn't see were even there |
01:00 |
mats |
you can trust people again, stan. i believe in you |
01:01 |
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asciilifeform trusts his l1/meat-l1. |
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01:02 |
asciilifeform |
( re all else, see also thrd . ) |
01:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away. |
01:04 |
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asciilifeform has roughly similar 'monetary policy' to that very same mp -- 'roach motel' system -- coinz may come in, they may NOT however come out' |
01:08 |
mats |
thats a lot of dust transactions |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
mats: iirc those were mass dustspams, i think even i got one |
01:18 |
scoopbot |
New post on billymg: Bitdash Crawler: A Watchglass-Based Bitcoin Network Crawler |
01:18 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: congrats!! |
01:19 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ty |
01:19 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: let me know what you think about how i handled importing watchglass |
01:19 |
billymg |
or anything else for that matter |
01:21 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls' |
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01:22 |
asciilifeform |
'On my modest Rockchip with max_sockets set to 800 it completes a full scan (including ~half a million spam peers—I have not implemented blacklisting yet) in around 90 minutes ' << notbad!! |
01:26 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051871 << awesome! ty, i appreciate the loper-os shoutout |
01:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 21:17:05 asciilifeform: billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls' |
01:29 |
asciilifeform |
36 noades openly flying trb flag apparently. |
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01:29 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
01:29 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
01:29 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
01:29 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
01:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
01:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
01:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695197 (Operator: whaack) |
01:29 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.171s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.166s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.266s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.302s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695179 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.657s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 |
01:29 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.796s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
01:30 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
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asciilifeform tries to recall what a 'therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1' is |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
bingoboingo ^ iirc your thing ? |
01:31 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051875 << the 36 number is any TRB node the crawler has encountered since it started running on my server. the homepage has a now, perhaps more useful, trb nodes active in last 48hrs http://bitdash.io/ |
01:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 21:25:02 asciilifeform: 36 noades openly flying trb flag apparently. |
01:31 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
01:31 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
a. |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: your link got truncated ? |
01:31 |
billymg |
which link? |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
the 'active in 48h' |
01:32 |
billymg |
ah, no, i've just replaced what i previously had on the homepage with that list |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
btw billymg dunno if you care but the site aint vertical-display friendly |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
i get a horiz scrollbar |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
( on 2160x3840 lcd ) |
01:33 |
billymg |
ah, yeah, sorry about that. on the roadmap |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
aite |
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billymg bbl dinner |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
laters |
01:43 |
bingoboingo |
asciilifeform It's just a press of TRB with the version string dropped so that it can actually communicate with non-trb nodes and maintain in sync |
01:45 |
bingoboingo |
I had run TRB nodes with 99999 until that incident where no trb nodes were getting blocks for a while |
01:47 |
bingoboingo |
Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil |
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02:58 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: you're seeing the horizontal scroll bar on all pages or only some? 2160px wide should be more than enough, the site's width is set at 1200px but it could be some other bug with the layout/css |
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03:41 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: seems to be all of'em |
03:41 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: chromium? |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: tried chromium & chrome so far, same result |
03:42 |
billymg |
hmmmm |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
ditto on a crapplepad |
03:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051913 << my noades contradict this hypothesis quite regularly |
03:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 21:43:14 bingoboingo: Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil |
03:47 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: it makes sense for the ipad (and phones) since they're less than 1200px in width (which i do mean to fix soon). but shouldn't happen on reasonable desktop/laptop, so long as window is at least 1200px wide |
03:47 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: mno, 1536 |
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03:47 |
billymg |
yeah, that should be enough |
03:47 |
asciilifeform |
anyways seeing horiz. scrollage on all vertical displays tried so far |
03:55 |
asciilifeform |
bingoboingo: here, for instance, is almost 2y of who-gave from 'zoolag'. take even the most recent one, at the time of this writing -- it's a stereotypical heathen! |
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asciilifeform wonders why these dun always trigger 'malleus' |
03:57 |
asciilifeform |
point being, version string camouflage aint actually necessary for connectivity w/ heathens. (but doesn't do any harm, either) |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
at one time it ~was~ useful for showing up in heathen noad crawlers which cut off at iirc 0.8. but today afaik all of'em filter trb by other means. |
03:59 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i can't reproduce the horizontal scroll bar thing but possibly it will go away when i start making the site responsive |
04:00 |
billymg |
if anyone else is seeing/not seeing horizontal scroll bars when using a non-mobile browser please let me know (horizontal scroll bars should not be present) |
04:00 |
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asciilifeform bbl |
04:00 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: some data re: prb nodes returning peers: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=H9rM |
04:03 |
billymg |
not exactly scientific grade experiment (it doesn't go back and retest once it finds a combination that works) but does give some indication of which magic bits PRB responds to |
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04:24 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051923 << just realized you were referring to your ipad's resolution here. those are the physical pixels, true, but the browser viewport converts that 1536x2048 to 768x1024 (since it's a "retina" screen). so to the CSS it's 768x1024 |
04:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 23:43:10 asciilifeform: billymg: mno, 1536 |
04:31 |
billymg |
anyway, will fix it soon so it works on any screen |
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08:18 |
cgra |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051577 << whaack sorry, only now noticed your q. i may propose a fix/a set of fixes if capable of producing one, prolly not going to happen very fast anyway |
08:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 16:28:09 whaack: cgra: any chance you're working on the patches for the problems you've discovered? |
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08:55 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money |
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08:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 20:57:00 asciilifeform: trusts his l1/meat-l1. |
08:57 |
punkman |
could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner |
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08:58 |
punkman |
also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx |
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09:04 |
punkman |
had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever |
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09:07 |
punkman |
I remember an uncle that got into Herbalife in the 90s. Trying to get every relative to buy ointments, giving them out for free after his stock was getting unwieldy |
09:10 |
punkman |
uncle was even into bodybuilding, he'd have done so much better with the Herbalife nutrition clubs that they are doing now |
09:19 |
punkman |
billymg: "Implement a geoIP-lookup feature even though this will require the use of a 3rd party service." << you can download maxmind database and do all the geoip lookups locally. |
09:21 |
punkman |
here's link https://www.maxmind.com/en/geolite2/signup?lang=en |
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09:23 |
punkman |
"READY TO RETURN THE FUND!" "FAILED TO CONTACT THE POLY. I NEED A SECURED MULTISIG WALLET FROM YOU" "IT'S ALREADY A LEGEND TO WIN SO MUCH FORTUNE. IT WILL BE AN ETERNAL LEGEND TO SAVE THE WORLD. I MADE THE DECISION, NO MORE DAO" "ACCEPT DONATIONS TO "THE HIDDEN SIGNER" NOW. ENCRYPT YOUR MSG WITH HIS PUBKEY." |
09:24 |
punkman |
more messages from the "hacker" |
09:34 |
punkman |
would be fun if he "accidentally" burned/locked that shitcoins, then they'd have to fork eth and binance-chain |
09:40 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared. |
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09:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 16:53:58 asciilifeform: betcha the e.g. '600m$ heist' wouldn't yield even 10btc if the fella actually sold |
09:41 |
punkman |
a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted" |
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09:42 |
punkman |
https://twitter.com/BreezeCrypto/status/1425146172264656906 someone found "test" of hack couple weeks ago |
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10:20 |
punkman |
https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1425217068337713163 lol, apparently all that was needed was 4 byte hash collision |
10:23 |
punkman |
https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. " |
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10:38 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gE1XVVUAcWcqz?format=jpg&name=large "IF WE DO NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT I WILL SEND IT ALL TO DEAD ADDRESS OR FIGURE OUT SOMETHING MORE FUN" |
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13:00 |
billymg |
punkman: hey, that's pretty cool |
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14:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051944 << me too |
14:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 05:00:18 punkman: had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever |
14:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051943 << there are several, imho, processes, going in parallel, and not only 'uninnoculated rubes' such as orig. MMM buyers. for instance, many folx grow up with a solid 'no such thing as free lunch' upbringing, but the jumpers in their heads get pulled off when they get some lucky break (e.g. 2010s btc) and after this think 'what if there are bigger free lunche |
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14:31 |
asciilifeform |
s still' |
14:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 04:54:27 punkman: also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051942 << more fundamentally, the doom of the lottery winner is the -- for some, irresistible -- to somehow try to ~win a second time~ |
14:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 04:53:32 punkman: could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner |
14:33 |
asciilifeform |
'only millionaire, that's 1 step up from pauper, but what if could be billionaire' etc |
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14:35 |
asciilifeform |
it aint even that there are no warning signs of a scam. simply, the victims willfully ignore'em. |
14:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 20:35:04 asciilifeform: folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM. |
14:36 |
punkman |
and he's still doing it, just moved on to Africa/Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051940 << there's only 1 sure pill against losing large amts of money; and it's what asciilifeform 'uses', lol |
14:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 04:51:38 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money |
14:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away. |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: mavrodi croaked in '18 |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
but yes, lived to bake a shitcoin! |
14:38 |
punkman |
" Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!"" |
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14:38 |
shinohai |
https://twitter.com/WuBlockchain/status/1425463281104277509 <<< The PolyNetwork hacker is amazingly stupid after all. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally mavrodi's 'prison talks' are a++. afaik not translated to any other langs yet tho. |
14:39 |
punkman |
heh "The funeral was funded by the investors of МММ-2011." |
14:39 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: was pretty clear earlier that the character was a homoredditus |
14:41 |
shinohai |
I had little hope anything would have come of it anyway, the PolyNetwork team would have eventually went from "Dear Hacker" to "Dear Binance, please reorg this entry in the database" anyway. |
14:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051952 << how does this actually work ? ( concretely -- where, physically, are the privkeys for those coinz? ) |
14:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 05:35:57 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared. |
14:42 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: a la etherdao etc |
14:44 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: have not looked, but something like this, there's a "liquidity pool", you send BTC to some address, you get wrapped btc token on eth-chain. |
14:44 |
punkman |
obviously "dear hacker" believes in ETH, not BTC |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: that much makes sense, q is how does the btc get ~sent out~ |
14:45 |
punkman |
you send wrapped btc back to pool, get btc out |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
right, but at some pt something gotta disgorge a previously-ciphered privkey neh |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
where does it live ? |
14:46 |
punkman |
pool would hold some kind of multi-sig key, but I'm just guessing |
14:46 |
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asciilifeform guesses that it involves prbisms, e.g. multisig |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
a |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051957 << whole space is imho sorely in need of a great flood to wash away all the scum. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 06:18:54 punkman: https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. " |
14:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-11 15:07:56 asciilifeform: tangentially, imho absolute best thing that could happen to btc from 'actual commerce' pov -- is that it were to fall to e.g. 100$ and stay there for next decade. |
14:47 |
punkman |
following all the "indident analysis", it seems clear to me all the "eth experts" barely know what they are doing, and cross-chain stuff is pretty hard to debug |
14:47 |
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asciilifeform doesn't expect it'll happen tho. short of a gift from the gods in the form of, say, a hamhanded usg ban which kills all goxes or similar |
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14:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-02 17:26:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049878 << lock down all goxes? pray to satan that it happens! |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: the notion of 'debugging' a ~fundamentally bogus~ proggy such as 'cross-chain coin' -- is rather like 'medicine for a corpse' |
14:48 |
punkman |
asciilifeform should make GreatFloodDAO |
14:49 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
14:49 |
asciilifeform |
right after i open atheist church.. |
14:50 |
punkman |
already had atheist church :P |
14:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051954 << mats may find interesting to learn this |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 05:37:20 punkman: a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted" |
15:02 |
punkman |
"JUST DUMPED ALL ASSETS ON BSC & POLYGON. |
15:02 |
punkman |
HACKING FOR GOOD, I DID SAVE THE PROJECT" |
15:03 |
punkman |
apparently he used Monero to buy ETH gas for the attack |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: what's 'bsc' and 'polygon' ? |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
polygon iirc was the shitcoin in question ? |
15:07 |
punkman |
binance has their own smart contract chain, polygon is not polynetwork, it's a protocol and a framework for building and connecting Ethereum-compatible blockchain networks." |
15:09 |
punkman |
binance has their own everything probably. they have USD coin, own shitcoin, own ethereum (BSC), they even bought coinmarketcap to promote their shit |
15:10 |
punkman |
basically every big exchange wants their own ethereum, and then they use "protocol" like poly.network or polygon to connect to each other |
15:11 |
punkman |
maddening nomenclature |
15:15 |
punkman |
what I'm perplexed by right now, is that all these "automated market makers/liquidity pools" (uniswap, sushiswap, pancakeswap, list goes on) seem to cost $30 or $100 to exchange shitcoins. how can the shitcoinists even use them with five bux worth of dogecoin or whatever |
15:16 |
shinohai |
To wit: https://twitter.com/vinyarb/status/1425458439430434818 |
15:18 |
punkman |
I kinda want to try to sell some geek art, would be fun pasttime |
15:21 |
punkman |
perhaps something like "short story + visual items + solve the riddle to win a bitcent" |
15:23 |
punkman |
was looking at an opensea alternative, saw "items in store: 25,000" "items sold: 402" |
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15:44 |
punkman |
"Most these NFT projects will die like most shitcoins, you were not around in 2017 to have experienced that" << ah the OG from 2017 tell the noobs how it is |
15:55 |
punkman |
in other crank covid cures: niacin https://osf.io/uec3r/ |
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16:19 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i added link to your noad browser to the watchglass page as well. |
16:24 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: very cool, glad you're finding it useful so far |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: btw the rockchip link is broken |
16:25 |
billymg |
oh, hrm |
16:25 |
billymg |
yeah i see |
16:27 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: fixed |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: worx! |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: seems like you fixed the css in noad www also |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
( worx w/out scrollism nao ) |
16:30 |
billymg |
nice |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
what was the bug ? |
16:31 |
billymg |
dunno, didn't change anything lol |
16:31 |
billymg |
could've been cached css |
16:31 |
billymg |
an older version |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
16:31 |
billymg |
or perhaps a particular user agent string that ran off the page, though those should be contained |
16:31 |
billymg |
so can't say for sure |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: btw pheature req : see if can add a search box (where searches existing, and if not found, adds to scan queue) |
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16:32 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: noted |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: was looking at your log www -- outta curiosity, is your bot still alive at fleanode ? |
16:35 |
billymg |
it is |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i found that mine could no longer connect, demands sslism |
16:35 |
billymg |
until it falls down |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
( when tried sslism via znc, got only barf ) |
16:37 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: actually, looking at logs it may have finally hit that same snag |
16:37 |
billymg |
i haven't been connected myself to freenode in a while |
16:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-29 14:20:04 billymg: i started getting this error from freenode sometime this morning as well, although it didn't seem to kick me from the network |
16:37 |
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asciilifeform checked outta fleanode not long ago. |
16:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good. |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
'You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode...' << aha, that one |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
didn't seem to work, either ( i had an existing config for this on another box , no dice ) |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, what's left on fleanode ? rats and mice ? |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
usg and its agent accomplished their mission re fleanode. so, unsurprisingly, the remnant is being flushed down. |
16:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-22 11:07:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-22#1047784 << a usg stooge was set up in the role of a 'demented millionaire' to 'buy' and then wreck ye olde fleanode. in parallel with this, the puppeteers set up a |
16:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-22 11:09:14 asciilifeform: adlai: supposedly 'every' popular chan from fleanode, ended up in that mousetrap. |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
16:42 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 56d 13h 35m |
16:42 |
billymg |
oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 17:01:56 billymg: it seems like a missed opportunity. i keep waiting for someone like BAP or Vox to come out and say "i've seen the light, we need to get fucking organized with the tools we use to communicate" |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: do you recall when they pissed away their chance ? |
16:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 23:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ thread where no less than weev refused to host at pizarro. because ohnoez, mah dns, etc |
16:43 |
billymg |
yeah, i remember that |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
recall tlp's 'power that is traded for the fetish of power'... ( for that matter, example in earlier thread of this process ) |
16:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 14:07:43 asciilifeform: mats: i defo grasp that there's 1e7 halfwits who think they want to 'use bitcoin' (whatever they imagine it to be) but don't want to figure out scary complicated things like, ohnoez, installing a noad |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
the vox derp had what, DECADE of warning ? to get the fuck off google's hosting |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
can't help but wonder what kinda sawdust in that crankcase |
16:47 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052060 <> http://thimbron.com/2017/08/vox-day-gpg/ |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 12:37:57 billymg: oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
the excuses these fuckwits give, when pressed, are something to behold. some of'em still think 'you gotta be rich' to host outside of 'platforms'. ( nevermind that asciilifeform's entire dc bill is smaller than some of these idiots' cable tv bills ) |
16:48 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: were you surprised that he did not answer ? |
16:48 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i sometimes wonder if part of the grift. "friends, countrymen: i've been censored on blogger/twitter, follow me on substack!" *generates buzz* *6 months later* "friends, countrymen: i've been censored from substack, follow me on..." |
16:49 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: likely part of it |
16:49 |
thimbronion |
Vox does have his own video streaming service though, as well as other non-google properties. |
16:49 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: i had nfi (not being a fan..) -- so, it is still up ? |
16:50 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: No. Was surprised to learn later that his band put out a song about PGP sometime in the last decades. |
16:50 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: yeah it's up: https://unauthorized.tv/ |
16:51 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052069 << yeah it's shit like that that makes me think they don't really want to "win". what? already winning, look at book deal! |
16:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 12:42:55 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052060 <> http://thimbron.com/2017/08/vox-day-gpg/ |
16:51 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: seems to be members-only |
16:51 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: that's the only way it could exist really. |
16:53 |
asciilifeform |
the entire history of 'organized right' in usa is a series of these, cynical hucksters, their room-temp-iq marks, book deals |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 14:44:30 asciilifeform: mats: i regard the 'counter-usg dissidency' 'movement' as simply an arm of usg. certainly since this point. |
16:54 |
asciilifeform |
+ generous helping of usg provocateurs, religion-flavoured 'shards of the true cross' megachurches, 'senator smurf' colloidal-quackery 'medicine', etc |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
the other thing, billymg , is that 'winning', for almost any value of 'winning', would render their offering meaningless. |
16:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-02-12 20:11:40 asciilifeform: late-era sovok contained quite a few figures resembling, imho more than superficially, taleb -- i.e. 'dissidents' which were nominally in opposition to it (but vanished into insignificance with its collapse) , nominally 'oppressed' (while occupying plum jobs -- 'writer's union' came w/ massive leisure, primo food, vacation house, car, sometimes -- driver) |
16:57 |
thimbronion |
I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki. |
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16:58 |
thimbronion |
All ultimatetly futile due to dns and lack of a friendly cloudfront, imo. |
17:02 |
billymg |
btw, asciilifeform, jfw told me about an idea bvt had for logline ids derived from hashes of the payload, to allow for interoperability between various loggers |
17:02 |
bitbot |
(jwrd) 2021-05-22 jfw: billymg: cool, sounds good. the other issue with links to third-party logs, in the event you took yours down (as would be perfectly within your right to do, without the political ties that bind and whatnot), is the divergence of message IDs. bvt had a smart approach to that based on message+context hashes but nobody's made it happen. |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i recall at one time mp suggesting something similar. doesn't help w/ order tho |
17:03 |
billymg |
when i'm reading the logs i'm doing so on my logger, so have thought of adding feature that replaces other logger links with the corresponding links on mine, so that i'm not jumping between two loggers |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: can use existing patterns in my original, i have this feature |
17:05 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ah, already a feature? does it do it on the frontend or did it do it on import into the DB? |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
frontend |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
db is unmutilated |
17:05 |
billymg |
ok, will look into it |
17:06 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: start here |
17:06 |
asciilifeform |
( feature is yr+ old ) |
17:10 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: perfect, that's exactly it |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession) |
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17:13 |
asciilifeform |
this simultaneously solves two problems : 1) makes reordering, for folx who insist, possible |
17:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-04 19:53:05 asciilifeform: note that asciilifeform isn't opposed to punkman (or anybody else) configuring ~his~ own client to attempt to reorder, somehow, messages perceived as outta order. but i utterly fail to see why this mechanism ~must~ be an integral part of the protocol. |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle. |
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17:15 |
asciilifeform |
all at the cost of 64byte (32 per) in message. |
17:17 |
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asciilifeform 'living under a curse', erry time sits down to wrap up that article, sumthing gets in the way.. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052105 << really oughta expand -- makes possible to identify virtually all cases where two stations are broadcasting messages w/ same nick (for whatever reason) in the general case. |
17:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 13:10:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle. |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
however, only ~after~ such a message is 'orphaned' (i.e. dr.troll sends a 'i eat bugs!' signed 'asciilifeform', and with correct 'selfhash'. but genuine-asciilifeform's ~next~ msg will naturally not point to dr.troll's msg, but to genuine-asciilifeform's prev. msg. and so forth) |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
naturally none of this is a substitute for pgp sigs. but not intended as one, but simply to make monkeying with chat not worth anyone's effort |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion ^ may find interesting. |
17:23 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: indeed. May have some questions later. |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
for completeness, will describe what must happen if such a 'chain split' is detected by receiver |
17:25 |
billymg |
thimbronion: btw i'm at the point now where i'm ready to start on your alethepedia theme and features for mp-wp |
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17:27 |
asciilifeform |
... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again. |
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thimbronion |
billymg: cool! Honestly I'm a bit discouraged by the quality of the ocr scan at this point. Not sure how to proceed on that front. |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
in a hypothetical future item when no longer need to use irc frontend -- can also reassemble split messages using 'selfhash'. |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
( and display reassembled to operator ) |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
'nethash' can be used to implement 'threading' , if anyone decides he wants it |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
can do just about anyffing worth doing w/ chatism, w/ these two primitives. |
17:30 |
billymg |
thimbronion: probably best to hire human editors to do the grunt work of fixing the typos |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052088 << i recall previous 'weevs' similarly 'own company! publisher!' etc. -- these typically get 'deplatformed' by fiatola.banks/visa/etc (and eventually brought to heel and tamed) |
17:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 12:53:13 thimbronion: I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki. |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
reason being, they, to a man, serve fiat.molloch -- their 'success!' criterion is precisely that very same 'book deal!' |
17:32 |
thimbronion |
billymg: yes. momentous task. |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
book deal, 'mcmansion', tv channel.. |
17:32 |
billymg |
thimbronion: but sounds good, i'll probably start on producing some mockups for the theme soon |
17:32 |
thimbronion |
billymg: ack |
17:40 |
mats |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052005 << predictable |
17:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 10:53:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051954 << mats may find interesting to learn this |
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asciilifeform finds interesting how the shitcoin folx don't feel any need to even try to justify their unprincipled exceptions, where 'code is law! but not if a redditard finds a trivial bug and takes our!!!! loot bag' , 'decentralized! except when we want to steal back our!! loot bag! then, will behave exactly like usg banks!' etc |
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17:48 |
asciilifeform |
see also the prophetic (circa '05!) p. greenspun on subj! |
17:48 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
orig piece, ftr. |
18:03 |
punkman |
more from "dear hacker" https://pastebin.com/YTE6DVtN |
18:03 |
punkman |
(took it from etherscan) |
18:08 |
punkman |
the newer shitcoinists do not understand cryptography or "code is law" or anything really. bitcoiners of the olde times, were much more of the "I fucked up, thus I will now eat my hat" persuasion |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: the marks -- yes, prolly shit pants and not even notice the smell. but the perps ? is difficult to believe that they're unaware |
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18:44 |
mats |
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week. |
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18:44 |
mats |
rip |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
mats: see also! |
18:50 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-06-20 asciilifeform: lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any) |
18:54 |
punkman |
from article above: "Halting deportations will ‘send wrong message’: Greece" |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: classic pseudoconflict there -- notice, plebe is offered choice b/w 'two bottles, with same fluid', a distinction w/out a difference -- there are buttons 'a' and 'b' but neither is labeled or even implied 'get the fucking orcs outta europe' |
18:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-26 15:23:42 asciilifeform: bonechewer: that whole thing is a bogus, constructed pseudo-conflict. |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
instead 'halt deportations, to resume later' and 'don't halt'. bonus, the buttons aint , naturally, connected to anything at all. |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
the question is never 'rape or not rape' but 'rape' and 'maybe slightly slower rape' |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
(the latter typically sold as 'conservatism') |
18:58 |
punkman |
Turkey/Germany has a nice scam going, Turkey gets paid by EU to put damper on "flow" of afghans/syrians/iranians, then they buy weapons from Germany with the money |
19:00 |
punkman |
I wonder if the afghans know coming to EU means staying in shitty camp on Greek island for a few years, or if they think they will be on way to Germany/Sweden in a couple months |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: i'd suspect the process aint entirely random, but depends 'which afgan', and whether has an 'in' |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
( and see also ) |
19:02 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-06-08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world there was a lulzy twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went, to discover that market -- glut, and hello cab |
19:03 |
punkman |
the bulk of them is "nobody", few with enough money to grease the wheels |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: i'd expect. but the steady flow of 'nobodies' (see linked thrd) is quite useful to the small number of 'somebodies' who like the smokescreen, the 'refuge relief funds' etc. |
19:04 |
punkman |
there's a lot of "we need the young working bodies" going around, as in all of aging Europe |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
somehow folx 'very surprised' when the orcs don't particularly feel like remaining 'coolies' and take to robbery etc |
19:05 |
punkman |
waiting for when they get them into politics, made some strides in that department in last couple of years |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
very similar item in usa |
19:07 |
punkman |
some politician was found to be renting dozen apartments to refugees via welfare program, the "far-right" tried to make it a scandal, nobody cared |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
typical |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
(btw punkman picture a hypothetical 'somebody cared'. what'd that look like ?) |
19:10 |
punkman |
dunno, kick a few of the ne'erdowells out? |
19:10 |
punkman |
illegal by EU "law" of course |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
see also! |
19:11 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-03-02 asciilifeform: the folx who could -- any day of the week -- give the order to have all 'migrants' met with flamethrowers - answer to exactly usg dos sewing circle |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
lumpens are effective soldiers of the reich. |
19:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-04-22 14:11:18 asciilifeform: mats: there is only 1 kind of class warfare in the reich -- yacht class vs literally erryone else. with the enthusiastic assistance of 'room temp iq' lumpens, typically, for the wet work. |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
and as such, protected and nourished. |
19:12 |
punkman |
there was a hilarious news item last year, "gang of 160 people caught!" then in article "they've been collectively arrested 520 times in the past" |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
'anarchotyranny'(tm)(r)(c) |
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19:29 |
asciilifeform |
in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052140 lulz, a reich.lolgem. |
19:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 14:39:48 mats: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week. |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
'uppose that you go to a conservative rural area and find that a majority of people there support the Taliban. That doesn't legitimize the Taliban, because freedom is defined by....' etc |
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20:59 |
PeterL |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052102 << what goes in first message? hash of null? |
20:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 13:07:23 asciilifeform: now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession) |
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21:24 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: simply null. |
21:25 |
* |
asciilifeform imho irc end oughta similarly mark msgs that have a null for either hash |
21:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 13:22:51 asciilifeform: ... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again. |
21:38 |
punkman |
stumbled on this https://github.com/maqp/tfc again, thought it looked familiar, looked at logs and found me posting it and owner coming in to discuss http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Amaqp&chan=trilema |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: indeed was discussed, quite lulzy |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
was punkman who dug it up the 1st time, too, lol |
21:40 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-02-07 punkman: https://github.com/maqp/tfc-otp |
21:42 |
punkman |
seems like the guy didn't pick up his 1 bitcoin from mp |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: interestingly, these went both ways, the 'pickers-up' didn't on avg. fare any better/moar interestingly than the non-pickers |
21:43 |
punkman |
he's still developing the thing, wonder if anyone has ever used it |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
'TFC can also be run in three dedicated Qubes virtual machines. With the Qubes configuration, the isolation is provided by the Xen hypervisor, and the unidirectionality of data flow between the VMs is enforced with Qubes' qrexec framework. ' << i'ma guess nobody but orig. author |
21:44 |
punkman |
yeah "virtual machine diode" is pretty lulzy |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
typical rube-goldberg 'chewing gum'. |
21:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-26 17:26:54 asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'duct tape and chewing gum' ciphermachines, is that it is very, very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've achieved something, when in fact you have led yourself and -- worse, possibly people with actual secrets to protect -- to the chopping block, by putting same linux+opensores liquishitware into pocket-sized vaguely-ciphermachine-like package. |
21:46 |
punkman |
seems like the otp version is now "share password so we can encrypt OTP and send it over Tor" |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: historically torism has been quite good litmus for 'can safely stop reading right here' |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
oblig. mp thread re same. |
21:55 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-02-08 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!" |
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22:24 |
punkman |
funnily enough, tfc has not tipjar "There is no business model. TFC is FOSS+FHD for freedom. In return we get the feeling of contributing something actually worthwhile to the society." |
22:25 |
punkman |
maybe still working on secure btc address generation |
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22:52 |
punkman |
https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/ |
22:52 |
punkman |
" People with a master’s degree had the least hesitancy, and the highest hesitancy was among those holding a Ph.D. " |