#asciilifeform | 2021-09-08

!w poll

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Polling 17 nodes...

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185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!

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84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!

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185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!

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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.118s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.110s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.199s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.222s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.391s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549

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103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.598s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699467

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699549

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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699363

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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699549 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699549 (Operator: whaack)

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176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)

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192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

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!q uptime

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asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 83d 21h 0m

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!w uptime

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asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 60d 2h 10m

~ 33 minutes ~

00:36

>Current global users 28, max 32

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mats: iirc 'max' there refers to all-time peak

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oh ok thought it was a limit

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asciilifeform is a popular guy

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mats: see sores

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mats: lol, of the folx i can see from client, 7 are bots

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6 of the meat people moar or less dun speak..

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still, imho, notbad turnout.

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( mp had 4x the people, but look, still drowned!1111 )

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!s seen pete_rizzo_

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scoopbot

asciilifeform: my valid commands are: src, uptime, version, help, update

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err

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!q seen pete_rizzo_

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pete_rizzo_ last seen here on 2021-09-02 10:20:45: Cardboard confirmed

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evidently wasn't hopelessly hooked in #a!

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i remembered mp's closing mpoe statement earlier this week when i noticed btc+eth dominance slipping

00:48

lots of hurt ahead for investors as participants slowly try to work out which one is the winner

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asciilifeform has difficulty getting into the mindset of the fuckwits, 'ooh what should i buy, btc or usgtronium gluetrapcoin???? can't decide!'

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select count ( distinct speaker ) from loglines where era = 4 ;

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39

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shinohai

It's easy asciilifeform just buy pictures of digital rocks.

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shinohai: how'bout pictures of pictures of rocks

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shinohai

See? You could be an NFT artist

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shinohai

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056845 <<< These days, girls are doing the "OnlyFans" thing and make good bank, though almost did get deplatformed recently.

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Logged on 2021-09-07 15:41:08 bingoboingo: The consumers are out there, I'm just come to the point where "Why can't I milk the consumers too"

~ 55 minutes ~

01:48

The key could still end up zero, or otherwise bad, asciilifeform.

01:49

As for not writing much, mine IRC machine has been having issues, and I don't much care to correct it soon.

01:49

verisimilitude: shortly after 5 asteroids fall on both machines

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verisimilitude: or do you mean constructedly from action of 1 peer? if so how ?

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No.

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Still, the hashing is a case of ``Locks keep honest people honest.'', I think.

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again, how ?

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What?

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verisimilitude: propose a way to violate the given condition.

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Logged on 2021-09-07 14:59:14 asciilifeform: punkman: i.e. neither side must be able to force the new key to a constant value. or, if you like, to reduce its entropy below that of the better of the two xor halves.

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Yes.

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Again, this hashing is a case of ``Locks keep honest people honest.'', I think.

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so let's suppose a dishonest or sabotaged peer, verisimilitude

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how would it force key to a predetermined value ?

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Well he can't do it anyway.

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It's an idiom.

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verisimilitude: afaik normally idiom to refer to a rubbish lock, neh

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No.

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e.g. iso category 1 (or whateverthefuck it was) safe, for instance, is rated to keep dishonest fella honest for 20 whole minutes.

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( and if w/out power tools, for 20 hrs, or somesuch )

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I leave again for now.

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aite, laters

~ 1 hours 56 minutes ~

03:58

I've had a cursory glance at pest description; sounbds like it might be useful for more than simply chitchat

04:05

mp REALLY fucked you on the fg naming. miniaturization will deffo need a rebranding

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also WOT needs more logic imo

~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056681 << could be mp options expiring. funnily enough, when buffet expires, exactly 0 will happen

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05:43

Logged on 2021-09-07 11:39:10 asciilifeform: billymg: whoknows, maybe someone bought gigatonne of bananas..

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punkman

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-08#1056944 << I think this happens all the time just to liquidate "traders"

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Logged on 2021-09-08 01:43:19 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056681 << could be mp options expiring. funnily enough, when buffet expires, exactly 0 will happen

~ 48 minutes ~

06:36

i'm almost entirely sure he was doing more than filling bras with euros on localbitcoin

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but who knows

06:49

hanbot might take down the two black balls sometime. colregs dayshapes for `not under command'

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prolly best to never show em. that be pirates

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*thar

~ 7 hours 4 minutes ~

13:58

whaack: would you happen to have a handy way to enumerate block hashes, starting from block height 655609, up to the current height? for example, in per-line format: <height> <hex-hash>

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if yes, could you arrange me a list? those could help me better figuring out the quirks in trb sync mechanism -- i could replace log-file's hashes with height numbers and get a better idea of the order things happen in

~ 40 minutes ~

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cgra: my 'makesnap' patch did this, but it needs this fix to work properly

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asciilifeform: my test node (and only node) is one year behind, so i would need someone else to do it

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cgra: i'ma make it, then, but can't guarantee it'll be done today

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will post link here.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-08#1056944 << lol, maybe mtgox options expiring! maybe MMM bonds expiring!

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Logged on 2021-09-08 01:43:19 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056681 << could be mp options expiring. funnily enough, when buffet expires, exactly 0 will happen

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Logged on 2021-08-11 10:33:42 punkman: " Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!""

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asciilifeform: ok, thanks! unless whaack gets to do it first (assuming his explorer made it easy for him)

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!q seen whaack

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whaack last seen here on 2021-08-18 16:59:20: asciilifeform: awesome!

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i suspect he's at sea atm

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ah ok

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but indeed his proggy would be ideal for this kinda thing. iirc he has an sql thing synced w/ a live noad.

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$ticker btc usd

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busybot

Current BTC price in USD: $45778.3

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!w poll

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Polling 17 nodes...

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185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!

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84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!

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185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699378

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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.151s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699629

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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.229s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.278s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699629 (Operator: whaack)

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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.245s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699629

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103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.660s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699476

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176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)

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192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-08#1056942 << lol, for whom, exactly, to bake 'miniaturization' ? for vex??

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Logged on 2021-09-08 00:05:52 vex: mp REALLY fucked you on the fg naming. miniaturization will deffo need a rebranding

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( see also, for the thick. )

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Logged on 2020-12-16 13:06:17 asciilifeform: cgra: i ought to make clear that i do not atm have any plans to mass-produce any kind of irons (beyond handful of prototypes for own use.) simply because it -- afaik -- cannot be done economically.

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( and especially. )

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Logged on 2020-08-20 19:00:15 asciilifeform: it is also the case that rng as commercial product is a very questionable biz proposition. it takes quite a bit of 'adulthood' to even get to a place where you actually benefit from a 1000 $ rng. for instance, microshit victims dun really win anyffin from using whatever external rng.

~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~

16:30

meanwhile, in unrelated lulz.

~ 57 minutes ~

17:28

re 0xFE -- lulzily no one noticed that 4.1 and 4.2 numbering is entirely fucked.

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i'm alive and lurking

17:41

the rsi thing has kept me away from the keyboard ... or at least kept me away from typing intensive activities

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wb whaack !

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whaack: unfortunate re rsi; maybe ask verisimilitude & mats re subj

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iirc they're sufferers

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yeah they've offered some advice

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reading about it online i've run into this cult of people who believe the syndrome is mostly psychosomatic, they all follow the advice of this doctor J. Sarno and believe the condition is a variant of TMS

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tms?

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tension myoneural syndrome, the tl;dr is that the brain is able to deprive nerves of oxygen when under stress

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seems to me like a quack catch-all diagnosis

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that's my initial impression too, and i may be leaning into it out of desperation

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whaack: you have only from kbd or also mouse, pen, etc ?

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my hands are just stiff all day

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even when not touched comp for week+ ?

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they crack a ton when i make a fist

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yeah i haven't noticed much benefit from stopping computer use

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although mechanical keyboards feel wayyyy nicer

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aand the doctors found 0 ?

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( to asciilifeform sounds like arthritis )

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doctors found 0 but i don't think i have the cream of the crop doctors here

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they didn't do a blood test

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and i found out my grandmother had rheumatoid arthritis

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whaack prays it is not that

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asciilifeform would try to get to civilization somehow, and look for actual doctor

17:51

yeah i may travel back to usaschawitz for this

17:53

i just started taking anti inflammatories, they seem to be helping a lot

17:55

cgra: anyways, yes that is easily doable, i will get you that list in a second

~ 1 hours 43 minutes ~

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056800 << this method works, was able to get the crawler running. i installed all the python libs i needed by specifying exact versions, e.g. `pip install -Iv psycopg2==2.8.6`, and at least with my small list of required deps (flask, psycopg2, and requests) all were available

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Logged on 2021-09-07 14:54:23 billymg: for anyone curious, running `python2 get-pip.py "pip < 21.0"` with this get-pip.py worked. now to see if it'll install the py2 packages i'm looking for...

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caught a bug in my crawler's genesis though, where two of the sql queries use a different index name than the one that gets defined when initializing from bitdash_schema.sql. i'll post a regrind of the genesis soon but if anyone runs into it the fix is to change the two instances of 'ON CONFLICT ON CONSTRAINT unique_host DO UPDATE SET' to 'ON CONFLICT ON CONSTRAINT

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nodes_host_key DO UPDATE SET'

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now i'm trying to get trb working and am running into this constraint

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(therealbitcoin) 2020-07-08 jurov: For the record, I should mention that rotor needs glibc <2.28 on build system because it moved some include files which break the bootstraping of m4.

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i read whaack's and jfw's posts on the non-rotor build method. i haven't tried it yet but given all the other "upgrades" my 2021 gentoo probably has i think it might be best to stick with the rotor method. i just need a way to get around the m4 bootstrapping

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billymg: nonrotor build on a non-musl system is a roulette; is wai asciilifeform baked rotor to begin with

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asciilifeform: yes, i think the rotor method makes sense for me

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billymg: btw one only actually needs 1 box where rotor runs; the built bin is 100% portable

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(because static)

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1 per cpu arch, to be pedantic.

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asciilifeform: yeah, i could build on my old laptop, but i'm trying to be able to build it here as well (since i plan to format and rebuild what's on the laptop after i'm done with this)

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a ok

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there are patches available for m4 to get around the >=glibc 2.28 problem, one was even included in my stock system's m4 ebuild

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so i'm thinking i could patch m4 myself and include it in the deps dir (after base64 encoding and signing)

19:52

does that sound like the right approach?

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as in, patch the file at: http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-9.txt

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or rather, replace what's there with the signed, base64 encoded version of what i patch

~ 22 minutes ~

20:18

billymg: sounds like right approach ( tho i haven't yet personally run into this barf )

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asciilifeform runs into less than his 'fair share' of these because tends to keep things around 4evah. e.g. still using his ~original~ rotor on the box where 1st created it, etc

20:19

... and my gentoos tend to be bitwise disk copies of one another

~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~

21:25

asciilifeform: yeah, this may have been more trouble than it was worth, but i'm already so close now. would've been easier to have just created a separate dulap partition and use that whenever i need to build some binaries

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billymg: well in fact is a++ if you find how to make it go on current gentooisms

21:28

asciilifeform: so far everything but trb's rotor! well, with the help of signpost's pentacle for building vtools.

21:29

i perhaps could've started this build as a musl build and that might've saved a lot of headache with some things

21:30

gentoo still hosts up-to-date musl stage 3 tarballs on their downloads page

21:32

cgra: script is running, taking longer than expected, probably will be done in around 2 hours

~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~

22:46

gregory4

asciilifeform: what is your view of asymmetric multi-processing? did Linux make the right decision by devoting itself to symmetric?

~ 38 minutes ~

23:24

wb gregory4

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gregory4: imho whole split comes from a broken paradigm and therefore largely uninteresting.

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