01:44 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-08#1044262 << money is always involved in emergent gameplay which is the back bone of virtual economies (see: Eve Online) - i think it feels more fair if the coinflip of the determination of an outcome can truly be called "random" vs say the lazy shuffle of a deck of cards |
01:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-08 12:58:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there's ~0 advantage from using an iron rng (and a slow one) in a game imho. |
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09:24 |
punkman |
went swimming yesterday, sea was rough, now I read man drowned 500m from where I was |
09:28 |
kakobrekla |
you just doxed yourself :) |
09:31 |
punkman |
don't have seekrit location anyway |
09:31 |
punkman |
https://blog.keys.casa/casa-client-case-study-the-tinder-trap/ |
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13:40 |
punkman |
https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor |
13:41 |
punkman |
https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6097 |
13:48 |
PeterL |
punkman: what are these links? |
13:54 |
punkman |
portable fpga device and something about it's trng |
13:56 |
shinohai |
Also nice link to novel use of scopolamine in the wild. |
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14:14 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: i recall that box, an earlier variant was hyped during #ba days even. gotta love how author uses word 'open' with straight face to talk about a box which runs on a supersize xilinx, for instance. |
14:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2019-12-27 16:12:02 asciilifeform: amberglint: the huang fella is a вредитель , likely sponsored directly by the enemy. consider: with what it cost to bake his shitware to date, one could easily order a properly-open fpga made from 0. but instead he pushes xilinx's. |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
... not to mention that it 'needs' one so that it can run systemdized linux w/ multiGB liquishit. |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: his rng article also lulzy, where he shits out kilometre of sophistry to pretend that he aint whitening |
14:16 |
asciilifeform |
'death by thousand cuts' of gratuitous complexity; iirc he even has 'rust' in there somewhere. |
14:16 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: scopalomine & relateds have been used for at least a century in exactly the format described |
14:16 |
punkman |
it's gonna run their Rust OS not linux, I think |
14:17 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: in sovok such thieves were sometimes known as 'chemists' |
14:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: even lulzier, a++ |
14:17 |
punkman |
it's precursor to https://betrusted.io/ which will be some sort of wifi messaging device |
14:18 |
punkman |
and since it's super-secure, why don't you put your bitcoin wallet in it |
14:18 |
punkman |
something along those lines |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
let'em put. |
14:20 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: Here I had been misuing the shit all along in order to make girls into stepford wives for 12 hours. |
14:20 |
* |
asciilifeform still, nearly 5y after FG release, and 7+y since started serious work on rngs, entertained by the studious avoidance of the 'open sores' types of the approaches which actually work and don't require 8cores of GHz cpu running GBs of whatever braindamage |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: sounds moar like chemical warfare than 'fun dope'. but to each his own i suppose |
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15:21 |
thestringpuller |
i take it asciilifeform not a fan of arduino even for education? |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: i dun have anyffin against it, there are at least 3 controlling various mechanisms in asciilifeform's torture room, it's a cheap rubbish board |
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15:23 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega' |
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15:23 |
asciilifeform |
what's the connection to upstack ? |
15:24 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: personally trying to learn more hardware now; i may misunderstand your question. |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: i mean, why the q about arduino ? |
15:26 |
thestringpuller |
loose link in my brain reading upstream about FPGA in logs |
15:26 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: 0 relation |
15:27 |
thestringpuller |
to you :) |
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15:43 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: arduinism is used for quick&dirty things, like this kvm remote. |
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15:47 |
asciilifeform |
^ in this picture, simply a box that shits 4 hardcoded strings outta rs232 port |
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17:03 |
punkman |
I've seen how arduinoism in education. Students rarely learn how to code even the simplest thing, just copy-paste and shithub. |
17:05 |
punkman |
Precursor seems like it'd be fun to play with, but at $500, meh |
17:07 |
punkman |
the risc-v folks actually shipped some boards https://www.sifive.com/boards |
17:07 |
punkman |
(kinda doing the rounds on my old open sores hardware bookmarks) |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: cut-and-pastaism is what now passes for 'programming' among the redditus. |
17:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-08 15:28:35 asciilifeform: hey why not automate the usual 'indian coad' generation process, where morons cut&pasta from shithub. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
as for 'precursor', why thefuq would i buy a 500$ xilinx devboard. already sitting on a tall pile of same, of erry conceivable kind. |
17:19 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044397 << ATmega328 + uLisp = <3 |
17:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 11:23:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega' |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
( e.g. this one ) |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: re: 'sifive' -- imho not all that much moar bang-for-buck than, say, rk -- but 14x the price! |
17:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-21 21:09:17 asciilifeform: 'Once development pc meant cheap hardware, no frills, where the manufacturer most of the time sold it below price so that it could be adopted and tested by as many people as possible. Now it’s completely the opposite: this hardware is sold at crazy prices and bought most of the time by people who will keep it in a museum.' |
17:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-21 20:55:12 asciilifeform: 'unmatched' would make a rather spiffy replacement, imho, for rk -- if not for the fact that it costs like 14 rk's... |
17:23 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: "SymbiFlow is a fully open source toolchain for the development of FPGAs of multiple vendors." << you know where they are hiding the blob? |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
( their process also questionable ) |
17:23 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-08-14 asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy. |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: in xilinx's vlsi, i.e. they encourage the use of xilinx-proprietary on-die periphs, if you want to port such design to e.g. ice40 or own silicon, nodice |
17:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-22 12:39:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-22#1020093 << a fpga was originally ('80s) precisely 'bag of LUTs.' the 'let's include 9000 undocumented periphs and license out the closed turds to drive'em' biz model came in '90s. |
17:25 |
* |
asciilifeform not tried, actually, 'symbiflow', may have other 'fun surprises' in store |
17:25 |
asciilifeform |
did use 'yosys' for ice40; mostly worx |
17:26 |
punkman |
https://github.com/SymbiFlow/prjxray "Step 1: |
17:26 |
punkman |
Install Vivado 2017.2" << guessing it's this Vivado item |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
pffff |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
then again, iirc 'xray' was a reversing suite |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
so makes sense, you start w/ the turdware and proceed |
17:27 |
punkman |
yeah |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
the problem w/ that kinda thing (aside from xilinx lockin re periphs , already mentioned) is this. |
17:28 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-07-19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print ) |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. even adequately reversed xilinx turd aint a substitute for the missing 'soup of LUTs' large homogeneous fpga. |
17:36 |
bonechewer |
Maybe I am overconfident, but I fail to see how the adversary could compromise a device using a Xilinx FPGA as long as its designer did not use the Xilinx proprietary tools nor on-chip blobs |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: moar or less impossible to do ~anything w/ a large (i.e. fpga, rather than cpld) xilinx w/out the onchip blobs |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: is less about compromise of finished device, and moar about lock-in |
17:38 |
* |
bonechewer is willing to live with vendor lock-in if that is the only price of a device that doesn't allow compromise of the product using it |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
(on top of this, the usefully large xilinxen sell for ~weight in diamonds) |
17:39 |
bonechewer |
still costs less than building one's own fab to create homogeneous sea-of-LUTs FPGA |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: there nuffin magic about making a comp outta fpga -- if you use your $1000 xilinx to emulate a pentium and run poetteringware on it, you get compromised in exactly same way as a derp who bought a 'dell' |
17:39 |
bonechewer |
of course! |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
(this point seems to be lost on some folx) |
17:40 |
* |
bonechewer has no interest in building CPU out of FPGA, but likes the idea of implementing e.g. USB SuperSpeed in one rather than using a potentially compromised ASIC |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
the ideal usecase for fpga is to turn $device into a non-vonneumann item which doesn't need software or an os at all and still does $job. |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: if you're looking for a (slow) usb stack for fpga, actually exists, i tested on ice40 |
17:42 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2019-04-21 asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too. |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
worx well enuff for 1MB/s |
17:42 |
bonechewer |
That is a laudable goal, but I just want to not have to rely on enemy PHY for USB or bluetooth chip |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: subj. |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: keep in mind that 'enemy phy' is only a problem if you give it dma. |
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17:44 |
asciilifeform |
(and yes this is how they're ~typically~ connected to host, but no one forces you) |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
at the same time it's nice not to need separate ic for usbism |
17:45 |
* |
asciilifeform used a simplified variant of linked piece for his unreleased ice40 FG remake |
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18:19 |
davout |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-08#1044099 <<< the point is that there is no path dependance for bitcoin to survive. if for two weeks no one is available to move gold around, because there's war on the streets, that doesn't make gold go away in puff of smoke by not being transferable for some amount of time |
18:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-08 07:51:54 kakobrekla: on another note, davout, your argument about 500 years of bitcoin inactivity ... i dont like it. LN cant save you and if you do not have the potential to move coin avaliable at hand, its as useless as nfts. |
18:20 |
davout |
the example would probably work better with "2 weeks" instead of "500 years", i'll grant you that |
18:21 |
asciilifeform |
davout: there's a slightly different problem, in the proverbial war. |
18:21 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-05-01 asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.' |
18:22 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
18:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-13 20:46:45 asciilifeform: in train to auschwitz, glass of water cost exactly 1 gold watch. |
18:22 |
davout |
not sure how that relates? |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
effects of 'oops, ww3, can't tx for a while' |
18:25 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects that the exch rate would in fact move if no one could tx for a yr or 2, and consist even ~more~ overwhelmingly of papercoin by weight |
18:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'. |
18:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 15:11:54 asciilifeform: embrace&extinguish bitcoin; often enuff not even operates w/ actual tx, but with paper surrogates. |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
davout: this is of course ~not~ equivalent to the lunacy in earlier linked article, where 'ohnoez bitcoin needs a working net 24/7/365' |
18:26 |
davout |
yes |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
a downed net would likely produce an interesting 'footrace' to spend, when stands back up, morons and folx under duress will share privkeys |
18:35 |
davout |
a downed net would probably result in tons of folks firing up miners |
18:36 |
davout |
depends what you mean by 'net' i suppose |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
davout: hypothetical calamity that takes out large % of global net |
18:39 |
asciilifeform |
yes, fire up miners -- but, say, with massively fragged hash rate, good setup for forklet war and reorgs of lengths previously thought impossible |
18:40 |
* |
asciilifeform astonished that to this day no one (afaik) set up shortwave for block propagation |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
... hypothetically would even be +ev for a miner to set up shortwave mast -- throw a wrench into the cartel which (where 'chainlets' of cartel-mined blocks outcompete slowly-propagating singles by outsiders) |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
( granted, would have to be something other than 'small change' miner, who somehow not yet in cartel ) |
18:47 |
davout |
asciilifeform i see such a massive network partition, where 1mb blocks couldn't propagate every 10 minutes, very very unlikely |
18:47 |
davout |
and even more unlikely that it would persist at all |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
davout: didn't say it was likely, lol |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
but can picture scenario where plausible. |
18:48 |
davout |
do elaborate |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
davout: say, hypothetical war where naval fibers cut and 'satellite scrubber' fired. |
18:49 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-04-22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647437 << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt ) |
18:50 |
davout |
i wouldn't give it 24h before someone sets up a hamradio bridge |
18:50 |
* |
asciilifeform wouldn't be astonished if it turned out to be the case that fibers already mined 'in advance' |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
davout: possibly. tho, tricker than it appears. |
18:57 |
shinohai |
Folx already do the GoTenna/Meshnet bitcoin thing though certainly not under wartime conditions. |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: wasn't that a shortrange thing ? |
18:58 |
shinohai |
Yeah and as exists mostly confined to USSA/EU |
19:00 |
shinohai |
Map: https://imeshyou.gotennamesh.com/ (WARNING: bad javascript) |
19:01 |
shinohai |
So if you're in Niger during the apocalypse, single dude with a car battery got ur back. |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: from this map you can already see 'over 9000' clusters considerably farther apart than the nominal range of the thing |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
today, very easy to pretend that bitcoin is properly decentralized, and that it doesn't matter that %% of hash is in mongolia |
19:04 |
mats |
have you seen the diff recently? lol |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: as a matter of fact i admit that have not, i look mebbe erry yr at most |
19:05 |
mats |
miners have been exiled from the mainland |
19:05 |
mats |
biggest diff change ever |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: right, i recall ( mats linked ) , moved iirc across border into mongolia proper ? |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's point, tho, remains, the miners (concentrated where cheap mains current for whatever reason) and 'txers' largely live on opposite sides of planet |
19:08 |
mats |
miners report going to places like kazakhstan, usa etc |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
last i knew, usa was only remotely +ev for miner if he can pilfer, somehow, the amperage |
19:09 |
mats |
pnw has lots of surplus power, for a long time |
19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform once attempted to 'colo' a 4u miner thing for a phriend, in an office he was leasing with 'all you can eat' mains. blew the (19th c, possibly) breaker. |
19:10 |
mats |
and hydropower sources in other areas |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
if so -- then could ! |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
'make it great again'(tm)(r)(c) |
19:10 |
mats |
huk |
19:12 |
mats |
https://www.businessinsider.in/cryptocurrency/news/chinas-bitcoin-miners-are-looking-at-us-kazakhstan-canada-and-europe-amid-the-exodus/articleshow/83806714.cms |
19:13 |
mats |
interesting arb of 'stranded energy' in nat gas flares or however that works |
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19:14 |
asciilifeform |
mats: was linked last yr aha |
19:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-17 10:36:49 billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-16#1026433 << re: mining (de)centralization, there are at least two north american companies selling gas powered bitcoin miners to oil fields: https://www.upstreamdata.ca https://gam.ai |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i admit that i initially dismissed 'china expulsion' as disinfo, thought 'they ain't stupid' |
19:16 |
mats |
beijing sure milked it for what it was worth |
19:17 |
mats |
didn't they have like a full year ahead of any us operators? |
19:17 |
mats |
asics manufacture and then deployment |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: right, no one cancelled the chinese monopoly on the gear |
19:19 |
* |
asciilifeform expects it'll continue |
19:25 |
mats |
hopefully the increased economic interest will deter or minimise any national level legislation or executive action against bitcoining |
19:25 |
mats |
(in usa) |
19:25 |
* |
asciilifeform still surprised that no one (afaik, again) built 'cable box' miners. wouldn't even have to be surreptitious -- simply have it eat rsa-signed broadcasts, and shit out result in such a way that only vendor can make use (will omit the maffs, but not difficult) -- buyer of box feeds it mains current at own expense, and payment |
19:25 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-05-13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of |
19:26 |
* |
asciilifeform is in the form of potential 'lottery' payout to addr he specifies. |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
... then 100% decentralized physical infrastructure, but asic manufacture monopolist remains 'winner' |
19:26 |
mats |
i'm also very curious what the americans plan to do, if anything, about cryptodollar proliferation |
19:27 |
mats |
or, for that matter, what other nations plan to do about cryptodollarisation within their borders |
19:30 |
mats |
in other stale news, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws perpetual trusts are back in black |
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19:33 |
mats |
securing physical boxes against owners is hard, i imagine thats why |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
mats: cracking the box only +ev if a) cheap/physically simple and/or b) shared key makes all of'em edible once 1 is popped |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
if neither a nor b -- then scheme +ev for irons maker. |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
there's 0 particular reason why all '9000' units gotta have shared key. antifuse unique keys into individual dies. |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
let owner decap if he wants, take picture, hang on wall. |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044526 << lizards pay 0 tax, 'news at 11'... |
19:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 15:30:04 mats: in other stale news, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws perpetual trusts are back in black |
19:38 |
asciilifeform |
( mp summarized this imho correctly -- 'who pays tax' is how you distinguish b/w plebes and lizards ) |
19:38 |
mats |
http://www.actec.org/assets/1/6/PerpTrustsSweeneyMoore.pdf pretty interesting if anyone is curious about this stuff. 'here are now eight states that have abolished or substantially eviscerated the Rule Against Perpetuities: Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, South Dakota and Wisconsin.' |
19:40 |
mats |
wyoming has also been pioneering a lot of btc related legislation, so if youre a foreigner looking to hide assets from your gov, maybe take a look |
19:42 |
mats |
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bitcoin-wyoming-cryptocurrency-mining-us-b1879967.html |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
mats: as in example of china, potentially interesting is 'what the crown gives, can later take away', today's 'friendly jurisdiction' is tomorrow's 'nope' |
19:42 |
mats |
yeah, everyone with any money heard about the ICIJ and their pesky journos |
19:43 |
mats |
turnt out the british spiderweb and all the other monkeys are subordinate sovereigns |
19:43 |
mats |
but no one cancelled monopolies on violence, and somebody's got to protect your mineral rights ;/ |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the panama scandal ? how much diff did it even make to the 'victims' ? any lost their dough ? |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
i'd expect simply carried on exactly like before. |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
( and it was rather well known, asciilifeform heard about it despite not 'having money' ) |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
simply, these make 0 diff, so what of it, today shell co's in panama, tomorrow in jersey, lizard doesn't even need to personally push any buttons to move it, servants do it |
19:46 |
punkman |
lulzy https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/how-reporting-for-icij-prepared-me-to-become-a-certified-anti-money-laundering-specialist/ |
19:46 |
punkman |
"For more than seven years, I’ve joined hundreds of reporters from around the world on many of ICIJ’s most iconic financial investigations from Swiss Leaks to the Panama Papers to West Africa Leaks to the FinCEN Files." |
19:47 |
punkman |
iconic |
19:47 |
punkman |
I can't even |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: 'money laundering' , like 'insider trading', 'corruption', is a reich.crime -- i.e. when wrong people do it, 'crime', when 'proper' lizards -- 'biz as usual' |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
this -- elementary |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
neither bitcoin nor shitcoin nor 100y passage of time made a fuck of a dent in it. |
19:48 |
mats |
i'm struggling to source a comprehensive hitlist, but here's canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cra-panama-papers-audits-5-years-1.5974690 |
19:49 |
mats |
>Other countries have, however, filed tax-evasion charges, secured convictions and recouped hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes from information found in the Panama Papers. |
19:49 |
mats |
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-taxpayer-panama-papers-investigation-sentenced-prison some old guy |
19:49 |
punkman |
yeah it was a thing in Greece too iirc |
19:50 |
punkman |
don't think anyone got fined/punished though |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
mats: makes sense, oughta have expected some small-change people in the list would get hammered |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
(always need 'ablative coating' of 'aspirational' not-quite-lizards in any such money shelter, to take the heat if needed ) |
19:51 |
mats |
scalping some octogenarian with taxpayer money... guh |
19:51 |
mats |
not sure why i thought of this, but reminded me of that epstein/maxwell adjacent slave pinning some vague shit on minsky |
19:51 |
mats |
instead of naming names, picked a dead guy |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
lolyes |
19:52 |
mats |
also handily resulted in cancelling of rms, so +ev i guess |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
iirc this was the whore's testimony, neh. whore -- also wants to live. so, picked deadguy. |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
logical. |
19:53 |
mats |
would've been A++ if this meant public trial and sentencing of royal scum |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
(or for that matter, whole strategy w/ epstein thing -- lay all the sins on him, then strangle. 'see, he's dead, no more lizard islands, believe' ) |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the only way royal scum hanged is when cn, ru tanks roll into zurich, london, washington |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
(and not guaranteed even then) |
20:01 |
mats |
for anyone with interest in how offshore tax havens work, shaxson's 'treasure islands' is excellent http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=ADE5D87322D0FEE1AAE62DD4B57482C6 |
20:02 |
mats |
https://www.walesartsreview.org/treasure-islands-tax-havens-and-the-men-who-stole-the-world-by-nicholas-shaxson/ review here |
20:11 |
punkman |
mats: you might enjoy this one The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire and also from same guy Princes of the Yen |
20:17 |
punkman |
USA is the biggest offshore tax haven |
20:22 |
mats |
ya. D.C. insists on everyone upstreaming financial data, and refuses to share in the other direction |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: usa -- for usg-approved orc oligarchs, yes |
20:23 |
asciilifeform |
the whole 'offshore' thing is as old as income taxation (which from day 1 was simply a lizard ploy to hamstring the middle class -- and a successful one) |
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20:24 |
asciilifeform |
morons:'raise tax on the rich!' crown:'a++, will do, btw we inflated the currency 20%, will claim it was 2%, and you're now rich' |
20:25 |
mats |
with all of this ez money going round, its getting harder to resist loading up on fiat debt |
20:25 |
mats |
coin flip there's gonna be some kinda debt jubilee anyway |
20:26 |
mats |
ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc |
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20:27 |
punkman |
nothing wrong with some real estate |
20:32 |
mats |
assuming youre a landed punkman, whats an 18k btu heat pump (two zones) cost in gr, all in? |
20:34 |
mats |
in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k |
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20:36 |
mats |
my greek friend told me his install cost 2k euros, but i dont remember specifics. cant quite square potential total cost of ownership with all the shenanigans, maybe in a proper country (but where?) |
20:37 |
punkman |
mats: is this the external part of AC system? |
20:39 |
mats |
includes wall mounted mini splits |
20:39 |
mats |
internal too |
20:40 |
punkman |
2-3k would be reasonable yeah |
20:40 |
punkman |
city permits? lol |
20:41 |
mats |
maybe some electrical work so i dont blow the box, its not broken out in the quote |
20:43 |
punkman |
one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill |
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20:44 |
punkman |
but that's more a working man consideration |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044584 << sounds low (just the comp i'm sitting in front of cost moar..) |
20:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 16:34:05 mats: in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k |
20:53 |
punkman |
checked, you can get two separate 18k btu ACs for ~1k, probably free install too |
20:53 |
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asciilifeform not mp, doesn't have an 'intel agency', so entirely possib. riotously outta date re numbers |
20:54 |
mats |
the fuck kind of monster rig costs 11k? |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
mats: not even extravagant one, 'threadrippers', sdd, eizos, etc |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
nuffin outlandish, simply errything costs 2-3x nao than before plandemic |
20:56 |
asciilifeform |
pretty sure air conditioner install would be north of 30-40k here, tho |
20:58 |
mats |
since i'm doing appliances, guess ill mention this new nip portable ac product i spotted recently https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toshiba-14-000-BTU-12-000-BTU-DOE-115-Volt-Inverter-WiFi-Ultra-Quiet-42dB-Portable-Air-Conditioner-with-Heat-for-up-to-550-sf-RAC-PT1411HWRU/314730948 variable load inverter, very good DOE efficiency rating, quiet, hose-in-hose design |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044581 << i've wondered what the exch. rate would be if usg 'amnestied' btc and proclaimed e.g. 'sell in aug. of '21 at 0 tax'. |
20:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 16:26:41 mats: ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc |
20:58 |
mats |
i dont fucking understand why hardware stores still sell single hose units, or why anyone buys them |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
mats: oh ~that~ kind of ac |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
20:59 |
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asciilifeform once worked in a salt mine where ad-hoc datacenter made in empty office, and was cooled with coupla similar pieces, holes went into ceiling and -- i suspect -- neighbouring empty unit |
20:59 |
mats |
i only used window units and stepped on the single hose mine |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
mats: here i have central + window , the wattage gotta go sumwhere |
20:59 |
mats |
now i'm trying to sell it secondhand to some other shmuck and i kind of feel bad about it |
20:59 |
mats |
er, only used window units in the past |
21:00 |
mats |
place i'm in has sliding windows, so those don't work |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
mats: aintcha in californistan ? even needs ac ? |
21:00 |
mats |
nobody makes me sweat my own sweat |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
(or you're in the south?) |
21:01 |
mats |
72f and 70% humidity is enough to perspire |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
esp. if yer sitting next to 2-3kw of spaceheater, yea |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
here in swampland, humidity is the killer |
21:02 |
mats |
12yo mats would find present day mats mind fuckingly boring, guy does a couple hours of research studying home appliances |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
imho no shame in it, you have to live with that thing |
21:04 |
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asciilifeform replaced ~90% of his gear this yr, redundant power, net, etc., even desks |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
not 'sexy', yes. |
21:05 |
mats |
whats your net fallback? an lte modem? |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
currently |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
shite signal here tho. |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
happily, only gets used maybe erry other yr |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: there's 1 'residential' fiber co here, like in most places; once called up various 'commercial, we'll put anywhere' fiber people, their quites started at 100-200k for ~buildout~ ('we'll get you an architect for free estimate!') and 2-3k/mo service. for 100mbit. |
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21:07 |
asciilifeform |
*quotes |
21:08 |
mats |
same, i opted for a prepaid t-mo flip phone (supports tethering) and a spare fill card |
21:08 |
mats |
learned that even flip phones now have some kind of minimalist android barf |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ditch the pnoje, get 1 of those pcie modem things, put in whatever passes for router in your torture room |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
(e.g. there's an apu1 variant w/ built-in sim slot) |
21:09 |
mats |
i couldnt find an lte one that goes into an apu1 |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
iirc mine 'huawei' |
21:09 |
mats |
everything listed was gsm, but i didnt look hard |
21:10 |
* |
asciilifeform will have to look, which |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the hell i'd bother with this shit, tho, if not for 'no work - no eat' |
21:12 |
mats |
mosh makes it bearable |
21:13 |
mats |
anyways, good chat, afk |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
laters |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044592 << how much per kW/h ? |
21:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-09 16:43:39 punkman: one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill |
21:18 |
asciilifeform |
in asciilifeform's shithole, ~0.07 (us$) currently (actually not scalar, but approx) |
21:24 |
punkman |
I think it's gotta be over 0.20eur/kwh |
21:24 |
punkman |
electric bill includes various types of taxes, (poor people electric subsidies, renewable energy subsidies, other crap) |
21:25 |
asciilifeform |
at that price almost makes sense to buy photocells |
21:25 |
punkman |
and if you go over 1600kwh (per 4 months), pay even more |
21:25 |
asciilifeform |
(or these also 200% taxed there..?) |
21:26 |
punkman |
yeah all PV is taxed on import in EU |
21:26 |
asciilifeform |
per 4mo?! that's slightly over 1mo of asciilifeform.. |
21:26 |
punkman |
I've been joking that it's gonna be cheaper to run gas generator |
21:27 |
asciilifeform |
i'd imagine petrol 1000% taxed |
21:27 |
punkman |
should do the calculations |
21:27 |
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asciilifeform like chump, had thought, 'greece -- cheap...' |
21:27 |
punkman |
1.7eur per unleaded liter |
21:28 |
punkman |
about 0.9/liter for heating fuel |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
greece has winter?! |
21:28 |
punkman |
yeah and mountains! |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
a |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
yes |
21:30 |
punkman |
less winter in the south, lots of houses don't have central heating |
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21:51 |
asciilifeform |
watchglass [watchglass@Clk-8A62FE1F] has joined #asciilifeform << errybody plz welcome watchglass ! |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
21:51 |
watchglass |
Polling 0 nodes... |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
let's try that again.. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
21:52 |
watchglass |
Polling 16 nodes... |
21:52 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
21:52 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
21:52 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
21:52 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.117s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:52 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:52 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=690336 (Operator: whaack) |
21:52 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.316s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:52 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.353s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov) |
21:52 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.215s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=108.31.170.100:8333 Blocks=690336 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
21:52 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.400s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:52 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:52 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:53 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.609s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690317 |
21:53 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.301s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:53 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.152s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336 |
21:53 |
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asciilifeform for now will keep the instance that runs on fleanode, while the latter sorta worx |
21:54 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
... or maybe not. watchglass nao on dulapnet exclusively !! |
21:58 |
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asciilifeform noticed that fleanode nuked its reg. FUCK them. |
22:00 |
shinohai |
>.> |
22:00 |
shinohai |
\o/ |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
billymg_: i looked in .27, there's only 29 conns atm, i suspect either your detector is miscalibrated , or trb needs addr cache purger |
22:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-08 11:20:15 billymg: asciilifeform: is 205.134.172.27 your node? my crawler is showing that sometime in the last hour or so it jumped from around ~40 connected peers (mostly good) to ~1200 peers (mostly fake/spam) |
22:01 |
shinohai |
nice, dulapnet grows bots. Hopefully signpost can get deedbot plugged in at some point. |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: i'm working on a thing, ideally will post very rough draft this wknd |
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22:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-07 20:59:41 asciilifeform: working for coupla days nao on a draft of the p2p algo. but nowhere near done yet, it is getting tiny scraps of time left over from gruntwork |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
irc proper is dead end. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
( reason ) |
22:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-28 11:11:39 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: so IRC protocol requires network-graph to be undirected + acyclical. that explains a lot. |
22:05 |
shinohai |
Makes sense. Will read draft when published o7 |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
algo is almost insultingly simple imho |
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22:06 |
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asciilifeform bbl |
22:08 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: that's strange, 29 connections seems inline with what i was seeing before |
22:08 |
billymg |
!w peers 205.134.172.27 |
22:08 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length! |
22:10 |
billymg |
!w peers 205.134.172.27 |
22:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length! |
22:10 |
* |
billymg will check again later |
22:13 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: for when you return, i actually *just* made live a WIP version of the www. you can see from the historical poll results on .27 that the spam peers seem to come and go in waves http://bitdash.io/nodes/205.134.172.27-8333 |
22:15 |
billymg |
looking at whaack's node for example, the most recent getpeers returned a reasonable 66, but in the last 24hr it has been jumping around to the 3-4 digit range |
22:17 |
billymg |
and i only started seeing that happen as of yesterday when i first reported it, before TRB nodes were always connected to a reasonable number of peers and a high percentage were "real" (i.e. responded with valid version msg when probed) |
22:32 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: in most recent poll yours returned 25 http://bitdash.io/nodes/205.134.172.27-8333 |
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23:25 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: neato www |
23:26 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ty, still very rough around the edges and incomplete but wanted to get something up |
23:26 |
billymg |
if you look at the homepage now and scroll to the bottom can see the TRB nodes have returned to normal |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
loox pretty good imho. even colours. |
23:26 |
billymg |
but clicking into each ones shows the spam wave in the last 24hrs |
23:27 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ty, glad you like |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
a, '2021-07-09 18:25:20Alive69031499999/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/1694' etc |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
interesting. tho loox like trb ~does~ purge cache; yest. i was starting to think it doesn't (or can be induced into fughetting) |
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23:29 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: hm, how do i display all known trb noades in this thing? |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
useragent string doesn't appear to be clickable |
23:35 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: not a feature but it's on my todo list |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
a. |
23:39 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: the www runs fast enough on the rk too, i'm guessing has something to do with the 13k rows vs 2M in the logotron db |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i actually had logotron on a rk for most of a year ! worked fine |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
(aside from when searching) |
23:43 |
billymg |
true, the search is where the lag really shows |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
may be avoidable even there with the right pg knobs |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
(jack up memory so whole db lives there) |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
default is sumthing laffable, iirc 32mb |
23:43 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: the pollers also burn through the queue much faster sitting at your DC pipe vs. my jungle fiber (with same number of max sockets) |
23:44 |
billymg |
almost in one third the time |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
mine's a miserly 100mb/s but with very good ping to just about all of christendom |
23:45 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i hadn't thought of adjusting the memory for postgres, i'll look into that |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server |
23:46 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: cool, thanks for the link |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
np |
23:47 |
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asciilifeform must bbl |