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01:42 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auction-preview-photos/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro Liquidation Auction Preview - Photos
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02:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (103h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
02:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
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07:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (98h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
07:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
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12:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (93h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
12:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
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13:04 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/08/an-appeal-for-enemies/ << Ossa Sepia -- An Appeal for Enemies
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15:00 asciilifeform dorion: reminder -- your appointment is today at 1530 nyc time.
15:00 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 18:29:01 asciilifeform: dorion: ok, friday 1530-1600 nyc time.
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15:45 BingoBoingo Auctions for the former Pizarro hardware have gone live, auction IDs 1064 to 1074 for folks wishing to query auctionbot with !Xview
15:46 dorion asciilifeform ayup, wasn't going to forget, thanks.
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16:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'ma put the 2 fg auction shortly.
16:20 BingoBoingo ty
16:21 BingoBoingo I was inclined to start the auctions shortly after the diana_coman logger declared the start of today, but instead decided to wait for an hour where most of the relevant world would be awake to bid during the final hours.
16:23 asciilifeform !Xsell 10mn 168 Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
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16:23 auctionbot Sell order # 1075 created by asciilifeform: Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees. Opening: 10mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 22:22:21.919762 UTC (167 hours)
16:23 asciilifeform !Xsell 10mn 168 Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
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16:23 auctionbot Sell order # 1076 created by asciilifeform: Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees. Opening: 10mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 22:22:32.404026 UTC (167 hours)
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17:01 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (88h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1064 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 (166h37) >>> Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1065 O=5mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 (166h37) >>> Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1066 O=5mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 (166h38) >>> Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1067 O=22mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:38.780227 (166h38) >>> Server formerly used for Qntra and DNS, no FG no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1068 O=100 LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 (166h38) >>> Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1069 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 (166h38) >>> Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
17:01 auctionbot S#1070 O=55mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:24.229818 (166h39) >>> Lot of 5 unused Samsung 1 TB SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1071 O=33mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:41.809261 (166h39) >>> Lot of 2 Unused and 1 lightly used Samsung SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1072 O=1 LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 (166h39) >>> Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1073 O=40mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 (166h39) >>> Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1074 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 (166h40) >>> 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1075 O=10mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 22:22:21.919762 (167h21) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
17:01 auctionbot S#1076 O=10mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 22:22:32.404026 (167h22) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
17:01 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
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18:41 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/2019/feed-bot-spec-proposal << The Tar Pit -- Feed bot spec proposal
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19:54 auctionbot Sell order # 1075: Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees. Heard: 10mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-11-15 22:22:21.919762 UTC (164 hours 28 mins)
19:55 auctionbot Sell order # 1076: Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees. Heard: 10mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-11-15 22:22:32.404026 UTC (164 hours 28 mins)
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20:15 asciilifeform dorion: you may begin whenever you wish. ( yer time slot is still to 1600 . )
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20:22 dorion asciilifeform thanks, I'll start by saying I appreciate how much I've learned from reading you over the years, not just about computing, but also history. this appreciation made reading the snsa failure and reaction fairly.. frustrating.
20:23 asciilifeform why ty dorion . i am happy to hear that you learned .
20:24 * asciilifeform would ask questions back, but to help dorion get max juice from his q&a, will instead only answr; we can always speak later at length if he wishes
20:24 dorion My question starts with why do you think it happened and what is your interpretation of the circle metaphor. what does the man mean and what from snsa history does he have to lean on?
20:25 asciilifeform dorion: i'ma have to answer these 2 q separately
20:25 dorion ok, do as you pleasem, but to my eye, they go hand in hand.
20:27 asciilifeform dorion: am i correct in assuming that you read the orig snsa charter ?
20:27 dorion yes.
20:30 asciilifeform dorion: so, to answer the 1st q, it closed because mp, chairman, has the right to close it whenever he wishes, and recently closed it. he detailed his logic on his www .
20:33 dorion ok, let me bo more direct; let's start with the straw that broke snsa back; how is that an example of circularity in your actions?
20:33 ossabot (trilema) 2019-10-28 ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
20:33 asciilifeform dorion: re the 'circles', it is mp's take on the process where he repeatedly tried to forcibly reformat asciilifeform's brain to conform to his own liking; sometimes appears to make headway; but then asciilifeform's immune system kicks in and mp goes berserk, as asciilifeform aint 1 of mp's tame animals and aint reformatable via argumentum ad baculum.
20:34 asciilifeform dorion: imho you are correct that it was 'straw that broke camel', by all rights mp and asciilifeform oughta have parted ways in '16, when became clear that FG was not going to be a bestseller.
20:36 asciilifeform dorion: i'ma however support the 'forcibly reformat' claim. observe the charter section 3.2c :
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20:36 asciilifeform '(c) The agreement between the parties is that Stanislav Datskovskiy will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture, and jointly with Mircea Popescu the strategic management of the venture through a consensus process ; whereas Mircea Popescu will handle marketing, accounting and MPEx-compliant reporting for the venture, and jointly with Stanislav Datskovskiy the strategic management of the venture th
20:36 asciilifeform rough a consensus process.'
20:37 dorion fine. but was it reasonable for you taking the above position, while courting s.mg business and MP management advice in the process of setting up alfisp ? and how does that mirror the setting up of piz ?
20:37 asciilifeform the 'consensus process' at all times consisted largely of 'do what mp whims or else.' ;
20:38 asciilifeform while the attempt to saddle asciilifeform w/ a debt-laden high-risk isp project, after failure of piz ( observe, in no way isp work is mentioned in orig charter, which concerned 'a series of strong, fully integrated cryptography products, ensuring customers absolute immunity from third party attempts to access their data or communications' ) , and in particular , the marketing work he demanded, is arguably likewise in direct co
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20:38 asciilifeform ntravention of the charter.
20:39 asciilifeform however asciilifeform had already tired of trying to talk sense into mp, he is imho beyond the reach of argument , 'what i say goes, peon' is at this pt his entire read-eval-print-loop.
20:40 asciilifeform dorion: 'advice' differs from 'management' in that one is not obligated to take the advice.
20:41 dorion asciilifeform: but finance is rooted in trust ; "mircea_popescu: Morgan: Before money or anything else. Money cannot buy it \u2026 a man I do not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom."
20:41 asciilifeform dorion: re the charter, asciilifeform saw 'rules bickering' as 100% futile, as snsa was listed on mp's personally owned exchange, and to which in fact i have never had access nor any realistic expectation of seeing coin. i agreed to work with him for political reasons.
20:41 asciilifeform this arguably was a mistake.
20:42 asciilifeform ( to be pedantic, at one time i had a demo acct w/ mp's exchange. but it was deactivated, as agreed, before snsa opened. )
20:42 dorion I accept that isp is not in snsa charter, but how did your actions in setting up isps undermine the financial relationship?
20:43 asciilifeform ( dorion: for reference , this 2013 article resulted from my init contact w/ mp et al, and is a review of his exchange . )
20:43 dorion asciilifeform I know the history.
20:43 asciilifeform ok
20:43 asciilifeform dorion: are you familiar w/ history of piz ?
20:44 asciilifeform and what asciilifeform's participation consisted of ?
20:44 asciilifeform and, for that matter, mp's participation ?
20:45 dorion yes. I know you didn't want mp bonds, since dropped phf hardware courier, republic w/o mp article. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-17#1784380
20:45 snsabot (trilema) 2018-02-17 mircea_popescu: aaanyway. this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite a credit crunch for the item. because "well, let's send bbisp a box" "what if they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..."
20:45 asciilifeform dorion: and at the same time we ended up with one.
20:45 dorion then piz took snsa debt anyways.
20:47 asciilifeform piz was orig mp's 'b.isp'. which was doomed as-designed, because of poor choice of geography ( 2000+ $ / mo rack+net pipe; ruinously fascist customs regime ) . asciilifeform and mod6 purchased its corpse and attempted salvage, as 'pizarro'.
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20:47 dorion then in alfisp venture, you solicit smg again, but don't want external capital, even though piz burned your coin. full circle or am I dreaming ?
20:47 snsabot (trilema) 2018-03-18 mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's not apparent, let's reiterate. minigame is a multi-million dollar corp, trusted by people with multi-million dollars worth of virtual equipment. you understand me ? when it says 8k btc equity that means more money than dimon got.
20:47 asciilifeform dorion: solicit ~custom~, not ~investment~.
20:47 asciilifeform is the difference not apparent ?
20:47 asciilifeform if i operate a parking garage, and i permit obama to park his abrams tank, it does not constitute a '20mil $ investment in asciilifeform's garage' .
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20:48 dorion both have risk and receive a reward, neh ? and is not financing exchanged all through the supply chain ?
20:49 asciilifeform dorion: ftr i agreed to the snsa bond because it was in the form of hardware (which in fact i had assembled with own hands and purchased, then reimbursed) , therefore was confident that it can be repaid no matter what happens to piz ( which in fact it will be, BingoBoingo indicated that it will be done in the coming days. )
20:50 asciilifeform i would not, for instance, had agreed , to accept e.g. 100btc from someone. because a btc loan to a physical operation is virtually impossible to repay (on acct of the potentially unknown change in exch rate.)
20:51 asciilifeform dorion: you may have to elaborate re your last statement, it is unclear to me what is being asked
20:51 asciilifeform ( you have 10m )
20:53 dorion suppliers and customers extend credit as a matter of course. part with good today, pay me in 30d. was in response to difference between relationship between investor and customer to a business. I don't agree they're equal, but underlining that trust is involved.
20:54 asciilifeform dorion: trust is involved. and all biz relationships must end when trust is gone. mp already described his ' asciilifeform is lamer '. i described the other side, which reduces to ' working w/ mp was stimulating, but the man is interested in strictly master/slave relations, and i have no interest to be slave' .
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20:55 asciilifeform you have 5m dorion . any other q ?
20:56 dorion yea, about time mgmt/planning circularity, and how you intened to improve moving forward, since was a requirement s.mg to go with piz.
20:56 snsabot (trilema) 2018-02-24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dour_mug_shot.jpg
20:57 asciilifeform dorion: well piz is dissolved. and this q seems to presuppose that i agree w/ mp's batshit rants, which i do not.
20:57 dorion re: master slave, looks like that's your particular interpretation: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-24#1785891 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-24#1785894
20:57 snsabot (trilema) 2018-02-24 mircea_popescu: and yes, re rythm : time discipline is not a torture device, it's a tool. it's supposed to help you achieve your goals not make life inconvenient.
20:57 snsabot (trilema) 2018-02-24 mircea_popescu: isn't just saying things, to fit in with the crowd or the fashions of his generation or whatever. literally, "help you achieve your goals".
20:57 asciilifeform dorion: if you're able to reword it w/out this presumption, i'll attempt to answer.
20:58 asciilifeform dorion: imho mp is a madman. his 2019 material is maybe ~slightly~ more sense-making than e.g. 'mein kampf'.
20:58 asciilifeform does this answer ?
20:58 dorion if public planning/reporting is batshit, why'd you return to it this summer ? http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-07#1922000 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-16#1922888
20:58 snsabot (trilema) 2019-07-07 asciilifeform: goes back to work on 'war plan' piece
20:58 snsabot (trilema) 2019-07-16 asciilifeform: in re ffa : ch20 and most of 21 written. but all of it paused atm , making detailed map/plan.
20:59 asciilifeform dorion: i plan any major work, it is impossible otherwise. but the pedantic publication was for mp specifically, he demanded it as a condition of collaboration (from which i in fact was not gaining much. and he in turn today would say that he gained nothing.)
20:59 dorion I say these things because I'd enjoy alf succeed in whatever he does, but reads like your response from snsa fallout is alf was victim all along, alf had no responsibility in how things ended.
20:59 asciilifeform ever had a 'difficult customer' in your consultancy, dorion ? for which you jumped through rings of fire ? and then thought 'was this worth' ?
21:00 asciilifeform dorion: i was not 'victim', but idiot. who ran head into wall w/out properly thinking 'is this wall?'
21:00 asciilifeform it was -- wall.
21:01 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform does ~not~ view mp as 'aggressor' .
21:01 asciilifeform 100% voluntary collaboration . which arguably went on long past where either end gained from it.
21:01 dorion so the whole affair was your only masochism ?
21:02 dorion I shouldn't mindread, sorry.
21:02 asciilifeform dorion: do you view my pre-mp work as masochism likewise ?
21:02 asciilifeform perhaps doing anything at all other than sitting in armchair w/ cocaine , is 'masochism' by this token.
21:02 asciilifeform i worked for mp for political reasons -- agreed w/ his aims.
21:03 asciilifeform dorion: we're over-time . do you have a closing q ? i'd not normally offer, given that yer clearly orthodox in mp's church. but will do so anyway .
21:04 dorion to my knowledge loper work was by yourself, snsa work was with mp, who raised the financing and had the mgmt experience to help you. so different situations.
21:05 asciilifeform dorion: this is correct.
21:05 dorion not for now, but for your own sanity I'd hope you seriously reflect on what you could've done better over the time, apart from 'not get involved' , 'left earlier'.
21:05 asciilifeform dorion: so after all you came to preach.
21:06 asciilifeform get out and stay out.
21:07 asciilifeform this was tiresome. and pretty much what i expected it'd be.
21:07 asciilifeform 'come in peace' my arse.
21:07 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 18:48:09 dorion: asciilifeform word. and to make it explicit, I do come in peace.
21:08 * asciilifeform dislikes liars.
21:08 shinohai Well it was entertaining at first, I admit I didn't expect the culty message at the end.
21:08 asciilifeform shinohai: i -- expected. iirc diana_coman admitted to having sent him (possib with prepped talking points) .
21:09 asciilifeform i dunno why not do this w/ own hands, whatever.
21:15 shinohai Perhaps it is the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-08#1001723 mentality?
21:15 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-08 20:54:44 asciilifeform: dorion: trust is involved. and all biz relationships must end when trust is gone. mp already described his ' asciilifeform is lamer '. i described the other side, which reduces to ' working w/ mp was stimulating, but the man is interested in strictly master/slave relations, and i have no interest to be slave' .
21:15 asciilifeform shinohai: the man did say that he had read the logs. knows asciilifeform's pov, knows mp's pov. why did he come w/ the pre-prepped 'accept christ into yer heart' under the guise of 'questions' ?
21:16 asciilifeform this is what grates.
21:17 asciilifeform the time to preach to asciilifeform , if ever indeed there was 1, was ~before~ he was excommunicated by pope and declared damned to eternal hellfire. not ~after~, lol.
21:29 shinohai Well if this chan is eternal hellfire, Imma enjoy the barbecue.
21:33 asciilifeform shinohai: it's quite reminiscent of 1990s 'talk.origins', w/ creationists, that sorta convo.
21:34 shinohai Feels very much like "motivated reasoning" to shinohai ....
21:38 asciilifeform shinohai: i've been reading in recent months, protocols from stalin's processes against 'wreckers'. they're quite like this, and vyshynsky was -- genius. entirely on par w/ mp. erry q contained subtle presumptions of 'buying in' to prosecution's pov, the accused was nailed no matter what said. ( the folx who got the '3rd degree' treatment -- were the 1s who refused to go on stage entirely )
21:41 asciilifeform the part where fella 'stick to 30m' was direct crib from that book. principal instrument of 'make accused damn himself' was the clock, it is impossible to address ~all~ of the bullshit being subtly snuck in, when clock ticks.
21:41 shinohai aha
21:42 shinohai I suppose, like Stalin, accused will be used for purposes of future propaganda.
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21:58 asciilifeform what i dun get , is wtf the preacher folx are tryin' to accomplish. asciilifeform ~already~ Officially proclaimed untermensch, 'will ride in bmw as the leather seat'(tm), etc. whythefuq would orthodox mpistian care what he thinks.
21:59 asciilifeform germans didn't try an' convince the folx in the gas queue re 'this is what you need for own sanity' etc.
22:01 * BingoBoingo unsure what was going on there with the interview. Also believes in the value of mass delousing when containing Europes undersirable poor together lest Typhus and Friends have the run of the place
22:01 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (83h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1064 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 (161h37) >>> Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1065 O=5mn LB=5mn E=2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 (161h37) >>> Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1066 O=5mn LB=5mn E=2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 (161h38) >>> Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1067 O=22mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:38.780227 (161h38) >>> Server formerly used for Qntra and DNS, no FG no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1068 O=100 LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 (161h38) >>> Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1069 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 (161h38) >>> Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
22:01 auctionbot S#1070 O=55mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:24.229818 (161h39) >>> Lot of 5 unused Samsung 1 TB SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1071 O=33mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:41.809261 (161h39) >>> Lot of 2 Unused and 1 lightly used Samsung SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1072 O=1 LB=2mn E=2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 (161h39) >>> Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1073 O=40mn LB=40mn E=2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 (161h39) >>> Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1074 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 (161h40) >>> 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:01 auctionbot S#1075 O=10mn LB=10mn E=2019-11-15 22:22:21.919762 (162h21) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
22:01 auctionbot S#1076 O=10mn LB=10mn E=2019-11-15 22:22:32.404026 (162h22) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
22:01 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 92mn total bids ---
22:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo you may find it interesting to learn that asciilifeform got actual whole night of proper sleep maybe for 1st time in 6mo. i.e indeed 'had problem', just not what was described as 'the problem' by the holy see.
22:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Congrats. I suspect the mp-alf relationship wasn't healthy for either of you.
22:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and i admit that i'm looking forward to seeing folx grow hands in the process of trying to remake / do w/out , e.g. FG. i expect that diana_coman for instance will soon find out why i needed a microscope, and why it would have been pretty great to have the (such hated by mp) xray instrument when crates of subtly defective pcb's come in from factory.
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22:12 asciilifeform it is quite easy to think that 'this work is worth 0' when someone does it for you for phree. go an' hire someone who can tell defective 0.3mm^2 solder joint by crystal structure w/ eyes, it'll run 5-6figs$ easily.
22:13 asciilifeform ( or not go. it is not written in the koran that all can have working tech just by screaming hard enuff )
22:14 asciilifeform folx can grow the necessary experts from eggs if they want. it worx, just takes 3, 4 decades, is all.
22:15 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-08#1001760 - this is bullshit; I did not *send* him; I only restricted/conditioned his coming on *fixed time*; read here, it's all public for that matter: http://younghands.club/2019/11/04/rmd-week-1-plan-nov-4th-10th-2019/?b=S.NSA&e=#select
22:15 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:14:12 asciilifeform: shinohai: i -- expected. iirc diana_coman admitted to having sent him (possib with prepped talking points) .
22:15 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma believe .
22:16 diana_coman see the comment for my reply to his request there.
22:16 asciilifeform diana_coman: i read the yh chronicles. but, will admit, ~1/week.
22:17 diana_coman if you have any trouble there, take it on me not on him.
22:17 diana_coman as he said to start with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-08#1001674
22:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 16:28:17 dorion: asciilifeform thanks, I'll start by saying I appreciate how much I've learned from reading you over the years, not just about computing, but also history. this appreciation made reading the snsa failure and reaction fairly.. frustrating.
22:17 asciilifeform diana_coman: wait, if it was his idea 100%, then wai 'take it on' diana_coman ?
22:18 diana_coman asciilifeform: because I let him come over and talk to you; if you have a problem with that, let me know.
22:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun have problem w/ this. who wants to talk -- can talk , esp. if so civilized as to even req in advance. and will even let him back in if he wants at some pt ; but i , understand, have an allergy to vyshinsky-style questioning.
22:21 diana_coman asciilifeform: I don't follow what you are on to there; the man looked up to you and he wanted to say what he thought nobody said; you hear what you hear and then somehow also take a swipe at me for some reason, fine; make up your mind though.
22:21 asciilifeform that he 'looked up' , i have only his say-so. mostly what i got was 'come back to mother church, sinner', from that convo.
22:23 asciilifeform if, while supposedly reading my output ( for yrs ? ) he had bothered to ~speak~ to asciilifeform , maybe would have realized that asciilifeform is a (take yer pick) retrograde, counter-revolutionary, believer in 'labor theory', whichever, and could've stopped 'looking up' sooner ?
22:24 diana_coman asciilifeform: realise that he also read me and never spoke to me either; anyways, this is neither here nor there; just let me know if you have a problem with either me or him, ok?
22:26 asciilifeform diana_coman: absolutely no prob. diana_coman i haven't spoken much in #o not from ill will, but to avoid denting your snr (and in general i dun like to impose on folx, to go to party where not invited.) but if genuinely needed (somehow) -- will appear, simply ask.
22:28 diana_coman asciilifeform: you might have noticed that I don't speak much in here either and for the same reason - it's your chan; and I'll leave if you want me out of it, for that matter; but at the same time, I won't take bullshit either please.
22:28 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:14:12 asciilifeform: shinohai: i -- expected. iirc diana_coman admitted to having sent him (possib with prepped talking points) .
22:28 * asciilifeform has worked w/ folx subscribing to all sortsa religions. and sometimes, to mutual benefit. but this does require some restraint from both sides of table.
22:29 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma choose to believe that dorion was working from own head rather than diana_coman's script, simply because i respect diana_coman .
22:30 diana_coman asciilifeform: thank you; it does pose a problem for the future though in that I basically have to forbid anyone to come to you because you'll consider I wrote them a script, correctly?
22:31 diana_coman shinohai: ftr, I don't quite get what you think you are up to there but let me tell you that it looks disgusting.
22:32 shinohai I don't follow diana_coman ... what do you believe I am up to?
22:32 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma not presume re scripts. ( in fact have been trying to stay outta flamefests , and use the time freed up for work )
22:33 diana_coman shinohai: as I said: I don't quite get what you think you are up to; I just read the #asciilifeform logs though and had enough.
22:34 asciilifeform diana_coman: whether you choose to send your students to visit asciilifeform on whatever subj, is 100% up to you. i'ma promise not to abuse'em. but i do have allergy to cross-examinator-style loaded q's, and appointments to speak made under false presences , as dorion's .
22:34 diana_coman asciilifeform: fwiw I don't do scripts; for one thing I have a ton of other things to do, for another I don't have any problem stating my mind in person and for yet another, I have no interest in puppets, only in people.
22:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: i believe.
22:35 shinohai diana_coman is invited to simply ignore my conversation then, what else can I say?
22:35 diana_coman asciilifeform: fwiw he wasn't speaking under false presences/cross-examinator style; he might be inexperienced, yes; but I will aim to warn them off before letting them near you, sure.
22:36 diana_coman shinohai: you could let me know what you think you are up to, I'd listen; obv, you don't have to and that's fine too.
22:37 asciilifeform diana_coman: i ~like~ talking to people. possibly too much for health. but the people will get what they get, and it is not always what they want.
22:39 diana_coman asciilifeform: that wouldn't be a problem, no.
22:42 * asciilifeform is very tired and must bbl.
22:43 * diana_coman wishes asciilifeform all the best.
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