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00:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95DC728AD5B28F4F426EA956024EC2C17DAFBCB097E5F066E18E0716E1B5EDFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1446...1883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.84.16.219 (ssh-rsa key from 192.84.16.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (192-84-16-219.packet8.net. US CA)
00:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/95DC728AD5B28F4F426EA956024EC2C17DAFBCB097E5F066E18E0716E1B5EDFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...3859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '192.84.16.219 (ssh-rsa key from 192.84.16.219 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (192-84-16-219.packet8.net. US CA)
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02:01 BingoBoingo http://i.magaimg.net/img/jjw.png
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02:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/sears-takes-tool-giant-tti-to-court-as-suppliers-flee/ << Qntra - Sears Takes Tool Giant TTI To Court As Suppliers Flee
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03:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lel.
03:41 BingoBoingo tyvm
03:50 BingoBoingo Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
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03:52 BingoBoingo And no, Apple is not as big as Sears was. Apple sells no iHouse, and Apple has never conducted a public service on the scale of Sears donations of toilet paper to the masses that they wrote off as marketing
03:52 BingoBoingo Sears also failed to buy Russia
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09:28 phf “What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
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09:31 phf i somehow thought that stack overflow programming was a non-reflective activity, sort of like "hello sir madam, howdo i write network program in java??" comments on popular "epoll vs. kqueue performance analysis" posts back in the day
09:32 phf apparently not, there are people out there who believe that stack overflow programming is not just a viable strategy, but the only available one :o
09:33 phf "people"
09:36 diana_coman phf, the sad reality is that "school" nowadays *teaches* kids stack overflow/monkey copy/paste/ you-can-program-without-knowing-maths as "the way to learn"
09:37 diana_coman I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
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09:43 phf i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
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09:46 phf i saw a rambling talk by peter norvig (he called it "as we may program", considering the complete lack of substance that's as bombastic reference as it gets)
09:47 diana_coman it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
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09:50 phf ...where he made a point that "computer science" has become an empirical science, done through experimentation, and "look it up on stack overflow" is part of the process. i thought he was joking
09:51 diana_coman ugh, I can't seem to find a transcript of the thing
09:52 phf reading, like some kind of terrorist
09:53 phf i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
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09:58 diana_coman well, 45 minutes to watch the video seem more like 45 minutes wasted; tbh the title reference doesn't bode well either
10:01 asciilifeform phf: same norvig who wrote ai textbook with 0 lisp
10:01 asciilifeform because, presumably, not fashionable
10:01 phf well, he also wrote an ai textbook with exemplary lisp
10:01 asciilifeform pre-google
10:01 phf right
10:02 asciilifeform pg also wrote a whole 2 b00kz with lisp!
10:02 diana_coman he got... googled and has no more lisp to offer :|
10:03 phf there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
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10:04 asciilifeform attempting to understand how process works is for terrorists, aha
10:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657311 >> see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615386
10:05 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 13:47 diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
10:05 a111 Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
10:05 phf also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
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10:06 * phf afk
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10:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
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10:39 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 07:50 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
10:39 mircea_popescu or, for that matter the lulzy story of how us "coalition" works out in practice. "gee, i wonder what happens if we have no soldiers and keep paying arabs to soldier for us...."
10:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657303 << "how did hoplite grow self-importance back in lacedemonia ???"
10:40 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 13:28 phf: “What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
10:41 mircea_popescu it fucking didn't, which is the fucking point. ~IT~ didn't.
10:44 mircea_popescu but they're not learning anything, which is to say, as a self-transformative activity. they're "learning" in the sense of "raising awareness" about themselves, which is to say : they expect, or rather act as if they rightfully expected, that the whole world changes so as to accomodate them as they are. that's the whole story of this "learning".
10:44 mircea_popescu then they show up at the office and expect it to be "the office", and why should people have them do work, just make an offer already.
10:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657308 << aha!
10:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 13:37 diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
10:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657309 << "i fucking love science" aka "there's so much out there to discover" aka "paradise is moving through space in your livingroom with the big tv and tables everywhere".
10:47 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
10:47 mircea_popescu they built star trek, what. victory of socialism!
10:47 mircea_popescu worst fucking franchise in history, but whatever, it had subtext about blacks and shit, such art.
10:47 mircea_popescu tablets everywhere*
10:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
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10:50 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 13:53 phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
10:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657324 << funnily mirror of the "We used to go out and talk to women, which was interesting, but it turns out you don't need to do all that, as there's all these... um... uh... massive...errr... data..sets, yeah, that's right, massive datasets to explore!"
10:52 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 14:03 phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
10:52 mircea_popescu story of kid who gave up on dating because he finally discovered masturbation, all hail Saint Elliot Rodgers, the martyr of his people.
10:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657329 << no you don't understand, they have really cool offices! google guy was one day walking down the mall to pick up an office, was really fascinated by mcdonalds kid section, said HELLO SIR I WANT HIRE OFFICE HERE PLEASE.
10:54 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 14:05 phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
10:55 mircea_popescu so they installed all the trampolines and tubes and whatnot, and guess what -- the retards spawned by the dumbest generation of autists in history LOVED IT!!11 omaigerd it's literally like being six all over again! there's even stylisized changing station on the wall to remind us of how mom "had to" keep us in diapers till we went to school! OMG LOVE!!!
10:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657331 << oh, and speaking of this, i wonder why i want someone in wot to do isp etc. I WONDER!
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 14:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
10:59 mircea_popescu o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
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11:00 mircea_popescu 2013, right ? PUBLISHED. online. "nobody knows". oh, who's mp, that guy who pre-leaked the original cable leak by like a day and forced guardian & friends to release ??? NEVER HEARD OF HIM!!11
11:00 mircea_popescu i'm sure he cares.
11:04 ben_vulpes in other reddits and silicon valley developer fingertraps https://medium.com/@contact_16315/firebase-costs-increased-by-7-000-81dc0a27271d sure seems to imply that you can ruin the day of 'startups' using 'firebase' by hammering their service with poorly authenticated requests
11:05 mircea_popescu i'd ask what firebase is but by now it's getting ridiculous.
11:07 ben_vulpes i only have the vaguest idea from #saltminesocial
11:08 mircea_popescu i'm sure it's good and i should be using it.
11:08 ben_vulpes 'saas' thing that...does user related stuff? i have no idea.
11:09 mircea_popescu the way scum reproduction works is that when scum's tiny it does dumb shit like this and nobody really cares about it ; then as it grows up it moves to stealing mysql and naming it something else, like facebook.
11:09 ben_vulpes probably tastes great with react native
11:09 mircea_popescu ie, the us krill is laughably vulnerable while tiny, sometimes transitions into outrageously mendacious through growing larger.
11:11 mircea_popescu items halfway, trying to lie but not very good at it, a la http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/ are pretty much the entirety of pasture.
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11:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657346 << a fairly well known quisling,
11:43 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 14:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
11:43 asciilifeform !#s norvig
11:43 a111 20 results for "norvig", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=norvig
11:43 mircea_popescu a
11:44 asciilifeform google's director of r&d.
11:44 asciilifeform at one time, long, long ago, a respectable fella.
11:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-29#1255852 <<< phf 's verbiage endures time well.
11:45 a111 Logged on 2015-08-29 19:40 phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
11:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657356 << imho the most lulzy subtext is the tacit admission by washpo et al that wh is bugged
11:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 14:59 mircea_popescu: o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
11:45 asciilifeform ( or how else would they have any clue re 'seekrit meeting' )
11:46 mircea_popescu vory/suka, for the record, is this ancient dispute in ru penal system, whereby it is verboten for respectable criminal to help the government. this going about as far as the jews, dudes won't push a fucking button.
11:46 mircea_popescu then stalin gave amnesty for people willing to fight zee germanz, and a bunch went. when they were picked up later for going back to the life... well... there were some philosophical disagreements inside.
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i still can't fucking believe the ivan ivanov thing.
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12:06 asciilifeform hm?
12:06 mircea_popescu you recall, the elbrus salesman
12:12 asciilifeform baikal
12:12 asciilifeform but yea
12:13 asciilifeform ( phunphakt : putin recently proclaimed another $maxint grantolade tranche for 'proper clean ru os and iron' . i dare to predict that it will evaporate without a trace just like the last N times . )
12:16 mircea_popescu seems likely.
12:16 asciilifeform and as, interestingly, china's likewise did
12:17 mircea_popescu "inteligenstia".
12:17 mircea_popescu stalin had the right idea.,
12:17 asciilifeform aha!
12:17 asciilifeform asking folx to do honest work without 1) hard ideology + 2) public impalements ,
12:17 asciilifeform is like asking water to flow uphill.
12:17 mircea_popescu quite so.
12:19 asciilifeform ( post-su ru Official tagline, 'government without ideology', is hence quite sad joke )
12:20 asciilifeform afaik ~all ENTIRELY-post-su-design ru mil gear -- made by lowest bidder, runs winblowz, good largely for parade
12:20 asciilifeform pre-90s -- another matter; runs on magnetic cores, transistors the size of your thumb, barbaric but it'll likely still work when archaeologists dig it up
12:21 mircea_popescu they tried to copy what they thought the great america was doing.
12:21 asciilifeform what it WAS doing in 60s-70s.
12:21 mircea_popescu their copy has all the virtues of a xerox of a statue.
12:22 asciilifeform believe or not, the copies were of 2 types, the ones made by smart folx who gave a shit -- were in many cases equals, or even actual improvements (e.g. su single-chip pdp) . the others... were done by same folx who pilfer ru budget today
12:22 asciilifeform (elbrus et al)
12:22 mircea_popescu right. stalin had the right idea -- some remnants even visible under putin.
12:22 asciilifeform though, further twist -- the ~original~ elbrus was a spiffy superscalar machine that actually beat usa state of the art at the time (cdc)
12:23 mircea_popescu but the best thing that you could do as google manager is, have swat teams round up all the employees in a field somewhere, randomly shoot 10% and tell the rest the next round of shooting is in six weeks, they'd better impress.
12:24 asciilifeform iirc this roman custom is somewhat misunderstood by modern folx -- they actually thought they were fixing a rusted ~luck~ by offing the ~unlucky~
12:24 asciilifeform but perhaps this too was disinfo
12:25 * asciilifeform not familiar with the primary source
12:25 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: they attempt to emulate this in safe-space style with "stack rankings"
12:25 mircea_popescu vlad tepes famously offered lavish banquet for the city poor (which at the time meant, men crippled so they can not work, are reduced to begging). he gave them ~ two hours, after which burned down the thing / guards cut down anyone trying to get out.
12:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc i translated that one here
12:25 mircea_popescu efficient market hypothesis -- he correctly judged that by the time music is being played and dancing is going on, the faux beggars had pushed out the real ones.
12:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509574 << thread
12:25 a111 Logged on 2014-02-16 23:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер
12:25 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aha. dun work otherwise.
12:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but the usual retellings don't include the EMH reference, there's no explanation as to why it worked.
12:26 asciilifeform tru!!
12:26 mircea_popescu it works for the same reason ratios don't work in prisons etc.
12:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the romans didn't think. the romans did.
12:27 mircea_popescu the romans specifically and explicitly despised men that thought.
12:27 asciilifeform aha!
12:27 mircea_popescu they'd call you greek.
12:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the most important thing being that they must be ~shot~. it's not that you lose "standing in the profession you were befouling". you must lose unrelated things.
12:30 mircea_popescu don't like the guy's driving, shoot his kid. sure, "kid is innocent", "that was uncalled for" bla bla. point fucking remains -- now he has to make another one, which takes no driving. at driving -- he sucks, so he can't appreciate what that means. putatively at other thing he doesn't suck nearly as much, so he CAN appreciate.
12:30 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-29#996930 .
12:30 a111 Logged on 2015-01-29 05:22 asciilifeform: as in, hot iron.
12:30 mircea_popescu this is what education is all about : putting the inept's ineptitude in terms he can understand. simile is the fundamental device thereof.
12:31 mircea_popescu and the simile is, "if your lungs and liver and etcetera worked the way you code, you'd be just as dead as this guy."
12:32 ben_vulpes not giving the practice any sort of legs to stand on, merely pointing out the american plastic version of another correct republican thing.
12:32 mircea_popescu yee
12:33 ben_vulpes worm relegated to the bowels of amazon because never ranked over three, and never at risk of firing because never ranked at two is happy to munch turds forever.
12:33 mircea_popescu oya.
12:33 mircea_popescu he even has time to "human knowledge on quora"
12:33 ben_vulpes oh and participate in #uraniummine social
12:34 ben_vulpes we call these "lykkins"
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12:34 mircea_popescu from lychen ?
12:34 ben_vulpes from a worms handle.
12:34 ben_vulpes but yes, nearly self-parodic.
12:35 mircea_popescu the amusing thing being that these are in the vast majority male. for all the black eyes women get for free.
12:35 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511308 << the tepes tale in question, from earlier. )
12:35 a111 Logged on 2014-02-17 15:20 asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
12:36 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-5-true-to-his-word/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 5 - True to his word
12:39 ben_vulpes the female lykkins get impregnated by the male lykkins and then spend all their time bitching about how his salary isnt enough for her and her spawns needs instead of you know buckling down and cooking, cleaning, making the shelves and other fixtures herself like any wife worth having.
12:39 mircea_popescu oya.
12:39 asciilifeform !#s dependopotamus
12:39 a111 17 results for "dependopotamus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dependopotamus
12:40 mircea_popescu if anyone's curious, the "drakula" thing is phonetic misnotation. the guy's father, vlad, was surnamed dracul /drakul/. drac means devil in modern romanian, but it also meant dragon at the time (1400s). dracul is articled form, -ul is how you make "the x" from "an x". the man got the surname because of german decoration he wore, which to locals looked like dragon.
12:41 mircea_popescu now the ~kid~, was named draculea /drəkulea/. this is a diminutive, exactly in the way "little boots" worked in latin. the term'd denote exactly that, little dragon-guy spawn.
12:42 asciilifeform aha caligula
12:43 asciilifeform (boots)
12:43 mircea_popescu if alf had a kid and he was worth a ro name he'd probably be alfisor
12:44 mircea_popescu anyway, but the misnotaiton : it's not /a/ it's /ə/. dr/ə/kula.
12:44 mircea_popescu now you have fodder for dinner party.
12:45 asciilifeform in other olds, http://fatphil.org/maths/AKS << observe : almost all of the links -- dead.
12:46 mircea_popescu heh. the web progresses, alf. what do you want all those old websites for.
12:46 mircea_popescu i'm sure they didn't even have proper large text.
12:46 mircea_popescu (notice how this cycle goes ? i recall a 1990s large font craze also.)
12:46 asciilifeform http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src appears to be the only surviver.
12:52 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: a three stroke engine?!
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12:53 mircea_popescu ikr ?
12:53 mircea_popescu what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ?
12:54 ben_vulpes not wrong so much as very fittingly /silly/
12:55 mircea_popescu (amusingly -- flaubert allegedly spent $longinterval trying to decide which temperature reading is the correct number, between 19 and 17 or somesuch. or maybe it was proust. anyway.)
12:56 mircea_popescu also amusingly, but on purpose, this sam story is becoming quite the intertextual lulz. it's a joy.
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14:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-6-that-was-too-much/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 6 - That was too much
14:11 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-122056 << ftr these are bots
14:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: filter must not be 100%
14:12 mircea_popescu no i know. i find them amusing.
14:12 asciilifeform lolk
14:12 mircea_popescu moreover : can you prove they're not redditards ? how exactly.
14:12 mircea_popescu adds to the amusement. is it me who talks to bots unknowingly ? or is it...
14:14 asciilifeform occam's razor suggests bot vs redditor-who-liked-trilema
14:14 asciilifeform ( also where did it put the viagra link ?? or did mircea_popescu strip it manually )
14:14 trinque asciilifeform claiming a distinction must still point to the distinction!
14:15 asciilifeform trinque: redditus is indistinguishable with naked eye from perl script, news at 11
14:15 mircea_popescu i did not strip, hence the lulz.
14:15 asciilifeform ( with the 1 diff that a spambot has some sort of constructive purpose, if only to detune filters, whereas redditus has none )
14:15 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ? << This actually might be most right
14:15 mircea_popescu leaving the aesthetics aside for a minute to focus on the technical -- i imagine these are testers, ie, "whether it works". no links.
14:15 mircea_popescu lel
14:16 asciilifeform hm likely
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this theory of yours is flawed. there is no such thing as purpose in nature.
14:16 asciilifeform well yes. redditus is a wild beast
14:16 mircea_popescu purpose is an after the fact construction. like "religious artefacts"
14:16 asciilifeform spambot is an artifact
14:16 asciilifeform presumably constructed deliberately
14:17 mircea_popescu pasteurization exists not because l. pasteur WANTED TO {preserve milk ; get recognition ; fuck more chicks} but because pasteur COULD.
14:17 mircea_popescu which is why a good hospital is the one where the doctor says "well mr p, here's what we could do to you" as opposed to "here's what we want to do "
14:18 asciilifeform 'we do what we must, because we can' (tm)(r)(valve)
14:18 mircea_popescu dun dun DUN
14:18 mircea_popescu but -- wild beast "purpose", to reproduce, to eat, etc.
14:19 mircea_popescu the clear proof (for the expert) that purpose is meaningless is the simple fact that if you accept it, then it follows as universal, whereas if you don't accept it, it's universally absent. this is always and everywhere the fate of null notions.
14:20 mircea_popescu once it's obvious that either everything has a purpose or nothing does, it's therefore established there is no such thing as purpose.
14:20 mircea_popescu now, let us quote that idiocy with "either everyone has justice, or no one does" ? or leave it for later.
14:21 asciilifeform i can still observe sharpened stick and guess, likely correctly, that it was made so as to go into flesh; vs different stick, that - again correctly - i will say broke off a tree, by the wind.
14:22 asciilifeform 'purpose' in this sense is not an attribute of the object, but of the object-and-maker system. see also the thread re 'rng entropy'
14:22 mircea_popescu and be right some of the time, and write the regexp for it.
14:22 asciilifeform lol
14:22 mircea_popescu aka "we don't need ai, we got google data!!!"
14:22 mircea_popescu works well enough, sure.
14:22 asciilifeform asciilifeform ain't in the mechanizing-away-your-brain business.
14:22 mircea_popescu but purpose alfie! purpose!
14:24 asciilifeform 'what colour are your bits'
14:26 asciilifeform upstack : iirc in one of n. stephenson's tales, future spamola is decoupled entirely from human hands, is shat forth by long-unmanned and fully autonomous self-propagating 'ai virii'
14:26 asciilifeform and nobody can remember even why it ever appeared.
14:27 mircea_popescu sort of like background radiation making life impossible.
14:27 mircea_popescu except -- of the mind.
14:29 asciilifeform the lulzy bit is that lem's future is the actual one -- where buncha idiots get brain-wrecked into believing themselves robots , while similar number of similar idiots -- believe that they are served by robots, etc
14:29 asciilifeform ('futurological congress')
14:31 asciilifeform 'the fact that the back wheels were attached to the outside of the body rather than any kind of axle, as per the latest fashions and discoveries of French technology at the time' << l0l!!!
14:31 * asciilifeform falls down
14:31 mircea_popescu >D
14:32 mircea_popescu i try to have a little for everyone!
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14:47 asciilifeform in unrelated noose, asciilifeform recently investigated state of the art re primality testing, and did not like what he found
14:49 mircea_popescu did same cca 2015 ims.
15:00 asciilifeform for instance, i am no longer sure about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525264 .
15:00 a111 Logged on 2016-08-19 15:26 asciilifeform: (interest in the subj is slim, on account of miller-rabin probabilistic test provably converging - i.e. probability of catastrophic failure can be made smaller than probability of machine flattened by asteroid the same night)
15:00 asciilifeform because the actual proof of this ~in re the practical incarnation~ appears to be absent.
15:03 asciilifeform in other oddities, https://factordb.com/status.php
15:09 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-7-the-actual-paddling/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 7 - The actual paddling
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
16:28 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
16:28 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1780.0, vol: 17463.97575161 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1752.649, vol: 8043.95471 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1850.4, vol: 15757.76775439 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1566.931998, vol: 10950.31920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1820.26, vol: 7552.18450898 | Volume-weighted last average: 1760.93007647
16:31 ben_vulpes why is it crashing
16:33 BingoBoingo What is crashing anymore?
16:41 mircea_popescu because we didn't take seriously whatever random dork last made a social media post about things and matters and saving bitcoin.
16:41 mircea_popescu what was it ?
16:41 * mircea_popescu goes to check
16:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657058 there we go
16:41 a111 Logged on 2017-05-16 18:40 shinohai: https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/an-open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-c260467e1f0 <<< /me doesn't know why he lolz so much at smacktards that write this drivel.
16:42 mircea_popescu i hope it shall be a lesson for all of us!
16:43 asciilifeform in other lulz, the venerable rat shack, american retail chain, that survived great depression ( founded 1921 ) -- is finally dying. ( for 2nd time ! 1st time had last-minute reprieve, a telco bought it )
16:43 mircea_popescu which is this ?
16:43 asciilifeform these were the folx who sold resistors etc for their weight in gold. and when this did not bring in megabux, added phone and various rubbish.
16:43 asciilifeform 'radio shack'
16:43 mircea_popescu ah ah.
16:44 asciilifeform i went in, everything incl. furniture is for sale
16:44 mircea_popescu hey, the great again is going great, all the us "corporation!!!" turds popping like overstuffed frogs.
16:45 asciilifeform asciilifeform bought up the lithium thionyl chloride batteries, for pennies
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16:45 * mircea_popescu wonders if he'll actualy be going on american safari this decade, no less.
16:45 asciilifeform only 1 problem mircea_popescu -- there's very little meat to be had on this safari.
16:45 asciilifeform that anyone would want to eat, that is
16:45 mircea_popescu i wouldn't mind chasing some usians around a little from a truck before finally shooting to maim and leaving them for dead.
16:45 asciilifeform sport hunt - yes
16:45 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/hings-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-8-sam-finally-gathered/ << Trilema - hings That Happened To Sam. Chapter 8 - Sam finally gathered
16:45 asciilifeform meat hunt - problematic
16:46 mircea_popescu that's what safari is all about.
16:47 mircea_popescu remember back when obamschev days, apple had like 30bn hoard of cash, the "economy" had "recovered" from crisis etc ?
16:47 mircea_popescu how well it was going just before croaking!
16:48 asciilifeform not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y
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16:48 mircea_popescu even unemployment was down. nobody knew what inflation was...
16:49 asciilifeform it was a sort of canary - dying co. since 1990s, propped up by hell-knows-what, 'brand value', 'must maintain business-as-usual', i have nfi
16:49 asciilifeform a little like how reddit lives on, unharmed by the depth of its -ev
16:50 mircea_popescu kinda hard to sell the whole "corporate and venture capital" VHS tape to idiot kids considering "their future" if the radio shack goes bankrupt.
16:50 asciilifeform ( who pays for the servers, the censor monkeys, etc. ? )
16:50 mircea_popescu o no, you don't understand, REDDIT NOTES!!!1
16:50 mircea_popescu both legal and sane, like the dual aspect of particles.
16:50 asciilifeform can still do -- at lolmart. which is how it died -- or how westinghouse died, usg decided that 1 GE suffices
16:50 asciilifeform and that 1 bank suffices. etc
16:51 mircea_popescu should be funny because bureaucracy also seems to think 1 microsoft and 1 intel also suffice.
16:52 asciilifeform phunphakt : asciilifeform bought his first soldering iron on setting foot in usa, and the various junk to do with it, at ye olde ratshack
16:52 mircea_popescu "leveraging the synergies" or how's it called, "ironing out the waste and inefficiency" ? anyway. why need apple when has windows and intel ? samsung can make the tablets as usg.intel profit center.
16:53 asciilifeform and why sell electronic parts : Only A Terrorist would want such a thing.
16:53 asciilifeform ( fwiw modern konsoomer devices have ~0 scavengeable bits. )
16:54 mircea_popescu proper research should be conducted in proper lab with note from hitler and those inept access control lulz.
16:54 asciilifeform i suspect that in not too long, ratshack will be remembered the way the folx who sold, openly and for cash on barrel, chemical glassware are remembered - which is to say not at all, 'you gotta be shitting me, there were never'
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16:54 mircea_popescu lel
16:55 mircea_popescu this no longer exists ?
16:55 asciilifeform not in 'civilized' world, no.
16:55 mircea_popescu pretty sure i took girl through walk among erlenmeyer glasses etc.
16:55 mircea_popescu ah.
16:55 asciilifeform not on asciilifeform's home planet, either -- there folx simply stole glass from work
16:56 asciilifeform but legend has it that usa at one time had such shops.
16:56 mircea_popescu existed chemical supply store, you went and bought.
16:56 mircea_popescu i bought stuff in such!
16:56 * asciilifeform believes.
16:56 mircea_popescu mortar and pestle, graded pipettes, tube for your own burning, bunsen burners you could hook to same thing as stove, etc.
16:57 mircea_popescu kickass burners, too, mechanically adjustable for flame temp!
16:57 * asciilifeform has one
17:02 asciilifeform http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com << for archaeologists.
17:03 asciilifeform and woah, NOT PDF !!
17:03 * asciilifeform floored
17:07 asciilifeform http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1993/h169.html << 486!
17:09 ben_vulpes tandy!
17:09 asciilifeform aaha
17:09 asciilifeform http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1994/h192.html << moar tandy.
17:10 asciilifeform http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1994/h049.html << remember these ? analogue!
17:12 asciilifeform http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1995/h188.html << watch how they slowly switched from bundling useful/fun things, to microshit appz
17:13 ben_vulpes no i don't actually remember any of these marvels
17:14 ben_vulpes i was raised under the glorious unified apple toolchain
17:14 asciilifeform that one was to be found at, e.g., 'comp usa' ( i sometimes went there, marveled )
17:14 asciilifeform marveled at the 50 $ ( good money in those days ) scsi cables etc
17:15 asciilifeform 'what's the use of a comp with no command prompt' -- asciilifeform 20y ago ( and now ! )
~ 21 minutes ~
17:36 asciilifeform in other olds, http://www.techlib.com/science/xraydefender.htm
17:37 asciilifeform ^ this is a costly diode btw. 150 $ in small qty.
~ 18 minutes ~
17:56 ben_vulpes in omgwtfbbqs https://promisesaplus.com/
17:57 asciilifeform josephsmithing of dataflow, lol
17:57 asciilifeform snoar.
18:00 asciilifeform in very other olds, http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/Pseudoprimes/index-2-to-64.html
18:06 asciilifeform in not-so-olds >> http://e-maxx.ru/algo/bpsw << not only algos but benchmarks ! because not anglotards.
18:08 asciilifeform whereas in anglotardistan, we have : http://aperiodical.com/2016/03/i-bought-isthisprime-com
18:08 asciilifeform 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
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18:08 asciilifeform didjaknow.
~ 18 minutes ~
18:27 asciilifeform in other idiocies, https://sale.urbit.org is selling address space, this time Officially, and for btc. ( what good scamola ain't sold for btc ) . ( link won't display unless you enter code. 8112.7bd0.7ae6.6f17.b65d.3cb5 should work . )
18:28 asciilifeform https://sale.urbit.org/#legal-risk << lulzy, from same
18:34 ben_vulpes i wonder if my old ship still works on their network
18:35 mircea_popescu in other news, wtf are they talking about, "death threat." they call it "life insurance", why the fuck is it a death threat. it should be a life threat.
18:35 mircea_popescu not like dude's threatening to go around the cemetery and make you be alive against your will...
18:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
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18:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what else could he possibly sell.
18:44 mircea_popescu !~google things that sam sold
18:44 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 15 Best and Worst Deals at Sam's Club | GOBankingRates: <https://www.gobankingrates.com/personal-finance/10-best-worst-deals-sams-club/>; Natalie & Sam | Equality Now: <http://www.equalitynow.org/campaigns/trafficking-survivor-stories/natalie-sam>; Costco, Amazon, Sam's Club: Strangest Supersized Purchases ...: <http://time.com/money/4426128/costco-bjs-amazon-supersize-bulk-purchases/
18:44 mircea_popescu heh.
18:45 * asciilifeform looks up the latest names :
18:45 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: he wrote a browser for pre ios mobile devices, it funded some half-decade of reading, fathering, beach-shitting.
18:45 asciilifeform bottom 8bits he now calls 'galaxy', each one gets 8bits of 'star'
18:46 mircea_popescu in the sense that kramerica industries aka the new york living wage dept funded a decade of kramer's reading and beach shitting.
18:46 mircea_popescu dude also wrote a book. about coffee tables.
18:46 asciilifeform so asciilifeform's sold for 4.5 btc. today urbit wants 500 usd worth of btc for ~star~.
18:47 asciilifeform so massive sense of 'to the moon', apparently, among the adherents.
18:47 mircea_popescu well of course it's sinking, wtf. fiatola turds.
18:47 asciilifeform that ain't a sinking
18:47 ben_vulpes b-but limited supplies mircea_popescu !
18:47 asciilifeform 256 stars per galaxy
18:47 mircea_popescu oh, your galaxy sold for 4.5 ?
18:47 asciilifeform aha
18:48 ben_vulpes what not sinking, that's a tidy pile of usd is it not?
18:48 mircea_popescu hey, by the time nobody's buying the blades of grass, this uppity tortilla v2.0 will be just about ready for the abstruse tardstalk posts.
18:48 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << subj
18:48 mircea_popescu !~calc 500 / 1800 * 256 / 4.5
18:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 500 / 1800 * 256 / 4.5 = 15.802469135802468
18:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes 1580% !!11 GROWTH!!!
18:49 mircea_popescu could be an apple, all this putative equivalency bs.
18:49 * asciilifeform has nfi who , if anyone , is buying these nao
18:49 asciilifeform or how many, etc
18:49 mircea_popescu same as then. you bought right ?
18:49 asciilifeform fuck no
18:49 mircea_popescu o really ? wow. i am so shocked.
18:49 asciilifeform recall, i was handed one as prize
18:49 asciilifeform for solving a riddle
18:49 mircea_popescu it's almost like that tyime when mp said silk market is a joke and then it turned out couldn't sell a pound of coke over xmas.
18:50 mircea_popescu SERIOUS BIZNIS! GROWTH!! ETC!
18:50 asciilifeform ( then sold it to infamous schmuck. wonder what became of him )
18:50 mircea_popescu i wonder what became of schmuck who bought the silk road pound of coke.
18:50 mircea_popescu it's almost like i might suspect it was sold by fed coke repository and bought by fed coke repository.
18:50 asciilifeform i was abouttosay
18:50 asciilifeform he put it back in the evidence room with the other sandwiches
18:51 mircea_popescu to be sold later as part of "sting operation".
18:51 asciilifeform ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629952 )
18:51 a111 Logged on 2017-03-20 22:32 asciilifeform: 'one time we got lost in the woods, and i was afraid that i would have to eat Tippy. then we were rescued, and i put Tippy back into the fridge, next to the other sandwiches.'
18:51 ben_vulpes p-pound of cocaine?
18:52 asciilifeform i thought it was supposed to be a whole kg
18:52 mircea_popescu yes.
18:52 ben_vulpes who even.
18:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they use metric in tardlands now ?
18:52 ben_vulpes the only retards who sell drugs by the pound even in tardlandia are the potheads.
18:52 mircea_popescu whatever, considering the "Fake it til lyou might eventually make it" attitude prevalent among the herd, it migh've been a nickle bag everyone kept pretending.
18:52 * asciilifeform not up to date on subj
18:53 asciilifeform hey gabriel_laddel !
18:53 asciilifeform in what unit is it sold !
18:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes actually, drugs reach market by the ton, so that's evidently false.
18:53 asciilifeform yes but long tonne or short ?!!111
18:53 ben_vulpes metric or imperial?
18:53 mircea_popescu lol
18:53 mircea_popescu ima call you engineers like i mean it.
18:54 asciilifeform ( are there disengineers ? from disingenuous )
18:54 mircea_popescu anyway, that was the original "sting" re silk road, some narc pretended to be a seller there ("hacked account, ie social engineered) and tried to sell pound of coke, nobody was buying so dork in charge decided to buy it on his own accouint. to "save face", because apparently "drug marketplace" that can't place a pound somehow has some face to be saved
18:54 mircea_popescu ~all comes back to the eternal "i'm a dog that thinks on the internet nobody can tell i'm a dog."
18:55 asciilifeform i thought it was supposed to be 'radio shack' business model, which sell penny resistors for $2 ea.
18:55 ben_vulpes i still don't buy this imperial unit drug trade thing, but never having seen either metric or us tonne of any kind of product, will have to defer to those claiming knowledge
18:55 mircea_popescu are we talking talking or are we talking business ?
18:55 asciilifeform that sr was to cut up the kg and sell at 1000% margin to folx who want to sit at home and get via the post
18:55 ben_vulpes i am talking business
18:56 * asciilifeform has nfi, and will bbl, off to visit last gasp of a ratshack
18:56 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes are trucks in the us weighted in metric or dumbass ?
18:57 ben_vulpes this, dumbass
18:58 ben_vulpes i understand "reach the market" mircea_popescu
18:58 mircea_popescu business!
18:59 ben_vulpes tangentially, i luled at "horned"
18:59 ben_vulpes in latest sam
18:59 mircea_popescu >D
19:00 ben_vulpes will sam an hero?!
19:00 ben_vulpes tenterhooks
19:00 mircea_popescu what's a tenterhook ?
19:00 ben_vulpes ~edge of seat
19:00 mircea_popescu ah. tbh haven't quite decided yet.
19:01 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-8-sam-finally-gathered/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 8 - Sam finally gathered
19:01 * ben_vulpes did not expect a response
19:03 ben_vulpes do find it funny that mircea_popescu eschews the "muh characters have a mind of their own!" line
19:09 mircea_popescu well it is third person.
19:09 mod6 i gotta catch up with latest sa
19:09 mod6 m
19:10 mircea_popescu make sure you got tissues!
19:12 mod6 heheh. ok!
19:23 mod6 Here's the results from the second run of FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run2.txt
19:23 mod6 last run is underway...
~ 44 minutes ~
20:07 mircea_popescu and in other random, isn't it funny that for all the millions of dorks going about finding "contradictions in the bible" there can't be had a single dork going about seeking "contradictions in wikipedia" ?
20:08 mircea_popescu almost as if it were the case the whole "contradictions" bs is really a subcase of "unearthing hypocrisy", ie the traditional codeword of the inept adolescent "fighting" with authority.
20:08 mircea_popescu because why should there be any!
~ 1 hours 41 minutes ~
21:50 ben_vulpes a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
21:50 ben_vulpes and it takes ME
21:50 ben_vulpes LOSING MY PATIENCE with the NOISE WHEN I GO TO PISS
21:50 ben_vulpes to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run DRINKING WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE TOILET
21:51 ben_vulpes and i didn't even need to bring any tools! or wire to extend the chain!
21:51 ben_vulpes JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
21:51 ben_vulpes and LO
21:51 ben_vulpes the waste has now STOPPED
21:52 ben_vulpes on a floor where very nearly every door features a black lives matter and "in our democracy love wins"
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21:53 ben_vulpes and yet nobody except for the guy who benefits barely an iota from the fixing of the externality shoveling appears to give the slightest shit about the wasting of the single greatest blessing after my dick this metropolis has ever enjoyed
21:54 ben_vulpes i will be SURE to listen VERY CLOSELY the next time a portlander has something to say about environmental justice and global warming.
~ 36 minutes ~
22:30 asciilifeform where are you ben_vulpes
22:32 asciilifeform aand why.
22:36 mircea_popescu i dunno but sounds like they might've vaporised something in that wc.
22:36 asciilifeform whereas i finally have a quadracode reader. courtesy of an ex-ratshack's cash register.
22:39 mircea_popescu cool.
~ 43 minutes ~
23:23 asciilifeform !!up fromdeedbot
23:23 deedbot fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
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