Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1779...9817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D264FE4A782D4358DEF7B86FC38DBBCC646039107A994AF2628720CF54B5A80C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.93.122.49 (ssh-rsa key from 84.93.122.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/193E16D2DE51B3EE6B133296E9C9BFF4FAEB029386F5BEEDECA6376866108675 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.31.85.95 (ssh-rsa key from 46.31.85.95 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB STH ENG)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E531E8927F0A64F12CD3E2B9E2DDC68704C3293B0650BCDB71F135523E5BDDEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...9027 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.118.142 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.118.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (framelesselektro.de. DE BE)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/829C6063772E9125836758B5652D8121DB56C9FBEC39DEA0FFD1955895ED56D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1784...7143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.157.92.133 (ssh-rsa key from 213.157.92.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (gamma-133.nebula.fi. FI)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB2F4128153540B679E23DFF4953A3DB7D0B49CBC4FF35776604064CE0F116F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.193.90.152 (ssh-rsa key from 50.193.90.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (50-193-90-152-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US IL)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A75580C0D454275974E63C612A2EF7FC8C4DEC6E3A378E465454B87226B88D95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...7147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '168.243.98.206 (ssh-rsa key from 168.243.98.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SV)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DE58A212BABA9959E954F85AD50106C7821A22BAE9C12D4785C9B7240689C116 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1774...9913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.228.107.30 (ssh-rsa key from 83.228.107.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (gate1.gordonclub-bg.info. BG)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D077DA0025B568E5EDA0CC22D83E17A3407C2712825FDAE50573DF71760D6AFA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...8423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.198.201 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.198.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (w18.wcs1.de. DE NW)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BED5D53C915886269C6A4BA530CB0B2B6B6B22248AB579D74293C0CBD76DA3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.215 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-215.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68A9E039B55A61E5AA148D645234CCA5BDD042FBFA9AA317AC562E959D6E6F01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.168 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-168.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
00:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE372444407C620DD344B602791873CCD84F14D12A832CC86D81A6003FFEBA54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.122.234 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.122.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NO)
00:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/878B97A91FA5E05957E79B41A01FE1CDBAC9532B924013ECCE1BFD9374EC21F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...7879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.34 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.34 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (het24.physics.ntua.gr. GR I)
00:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...9919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W)
00:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5300D2F787F2F0F1BD88E125C905644D535208A148F9AC9496145507A2EAEC27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.11 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (79-99-1-11-static.glesys.net. SE)
00:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E03105A3454B0B84A81ADFD77A73AB2EF5F47F8CE4EB5EF5F9A12562F9F9A945 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.35 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (79-99-1-35.serverhotell.net. SE)
00:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE8800E4954E2EBC4D95F323CB4F6AF0ABE3A59E83B29449E4E1462222EB28DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...9793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.101.165.4 (ssh-rsa key from 171.101.165.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-171-101-165-4.revip11.asianet.co.th. TH)
00:18 mircea_popescu meanwhile in "she's just a friend, honey" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5392ecbc77698966bcdb0f4744218983/tumblr_o1yfuvZZxI1rwxb4zo1_1280.jpg
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00:40 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you could even write that yourself
00:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you gotta see the molestation ongoing in #chainstate
00:41 mircea_popescu aha.
00:54 davout currently catching up on logs, i r entertained
00:55 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1600796 <<< lol, win
00:55 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 00:36 BingoBoingo: Mauritius is 22nd most popular Qntra visitor country
00:55 ben_vulpes i had nfi what joy could be had watching people play with a toy you made out of two tin cans and a string
00:55 ben_vulpes perhaps that is why bitstamp perserveres
00:56 ben_vulpes perseveres
01:01 mircea_popescu indeed.
01:14 davout ben_vulpes: such wizardry in #chainstate
01:17 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: musta been one of those new-fangled volvos/ford/hondas/mercs that stops for you. lucky you. a family friend's grandson wasn't so lucky when he was backed over and killed by... his own grandfather. couple years ago now.
01:18 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i think ima keep it as is. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Holmes&defid=6348806
01:18 pete_dushenski it was always holmes in my head, and always spoken by that bald sanchez from the ff series.
01:19 pete_dushenski gotta love that ccn rabblerouser eh
01:21 pete_dushenski speaking of better than average ai, looks like some boys from the u of a cracked heads-up no-limit texas https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.01724v2.pdf
01:22 pete_dushenski 'deepstack' be his name, poker be his game. smashed a couple dozen pros over 44k hands. some recognisable pro names even.
01:24 pete_dushenski runs on a single nvidia geforce gtx 1080 too
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02:13 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: urban dictionary? wigga central?
02:14 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601355 << ty, i like it as well
02:14 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 04:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok this http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2016-12-29 list of blocks like that is pretty fucking great.
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02:33 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: ud is legit fo realz
02:34 ben_vulpes sayeth the white jew from canada
02:44 pete_dushenski your race card doesn't play here, sorry
02:46 * pete_dushenski to catch zeds
02:48 ben_vulpes shit it's like nearly three your time
02:50 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#749 << i'm going to have to start laying down timestamps in my logthing to highlight this shit but ftr: 07:42:12, 07:43:34, 07:43:38
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05:15 davout mitm-as-a-service was gag order'd since 2013. such surprise. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-transparency-report-for-second-half-2016-and-an-additional-disclosure-for-2013-2/
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07:23 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600064 << pretty cool. did you read it in french? is it full of musings about god (he did get a bit.. hallucinatory-mystical towards end of life, right?)
07:23 a111 Logged on 2017-01-10 02:39 phf: i once read grothendieck's récoltes et semailles, which is a kind of an autobiography
07:23 Framedragger he wrote this after having departed from the math community already, right
07:24 Framedragger (ah, yes he did0
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08:49 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski yeah was late model honda
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09:05 mircea_popescu !!up asdfhasdjklf
09:05 deedbot asdfhasdjklf voiced for 30 minutes.
09:06 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes jews are white nao ?! or is this joek because canada is so far up north even the coal's white there. not to mention the pines.
09:14 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski ftr, poker needs no such thing as "ai". poker is a deterministic game if you wish, can program machine to play extremely tight, will beat most humans.
09:15 mircea_popescu the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes
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09:16 mircea_popescu the robot pubescent puella doesn't suffer from the problem, sleeps well through the night.
09:16 asdfhasdjklf HU Limit Poker has already been solved
09:16 mircea_popescu aand who might you be asdfhasdjklf ?
09:16 asdfhasdjklf don't have PGP, so not a person
09:16 mircea_popescu i c.
09:16 mircea_popescu apt nick then/
09:17 asdfhasdjklf big fan, though <3
09:17 mircea_popescu lol ok. so make a key then.
09:20 mircea_popescu davout because that totally works, not talking about things makes them go away.
09:23 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-505057.jpeg ; dat disjunction error sounds pretty serious.
09:31 asciilifeform 589 'q' factors, notbad.
09:32 mircea_popescu ye
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09:49 mircea_popescu sooo, i feel like translating ; anyone has a trilema piece they've been wanting in english ?
09:52 Framedragger anything related in topic/matter to http://trilema.com/2014/peri-metaphyseos-in-english-this-time/ ? (i don't have anything particular in mind, just a vague suggestion-of-direction)
09:53 Framedragger also, i wonder what you'd make of paraconsistent logic and if you'd like to write an article on it at some future point
09:53 Framedragger !#s paraconsistent
09:53 a111 4 results for "paraconsistent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=paraconsistent
09:57 mircea_popescu pretty sure i did that entire series.
09:58 Framedragger ahh. i need to read more. will check later...
10:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601428 << poker 'solving' ai per se is ~uninteresting. the genuinely nifty thing would be a 'realistic humanlike' (e.g., 'loose') player.
10:01 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 14:15 mircea_popescu: the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes
10:02 asciilifeform in particular in re the traditional bot/bot-detector arms race.
10:03 asciilifeform see also the alphago thread (it was difficult to mistake the thing for a meat player)
10:04 asciilifeform humanlike bot will not go straight to 'solution' on any obvious hill-climbing path, but will artfully dig itself holes to then artfully climb out of, like meat does.
10:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha, quite.
10:23 asciilifeform the other obviously spiffy direction is the man-machine pair. a la auto racing.
10:29 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://drizzybot.com/doxes/
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11:01 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: were http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ or http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/ ever translated ?
11:03 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1600846 << not hard; I'll keep that in mind when rewriting the component that does it
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 00:48 mircea_popescu: trinque how easy would it be to make the !!up for noobs 30 minutes or 60 lines, whichever comes first ?
11:06 mircea_popescu cool.
11:06 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski in the end, i wrote a continuation to hanbot 's thing.
11:07 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform's puny brain was not up to the task of making sense of hanbot's story.
11:09 mircea_popescu anyway the historical http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ should prolly be read in tandem with http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/
11:09 mircea_popescu very nice two-year-apart binome of a) girl wanna-be woman in the ustardian vein ; b) girl recounting (retardedly) the failure of the attempt.
11:10 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the same old news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d128a7c747389ae7523933a12322b694/tumblr_nymeikQRtK1uj49axo1_1280.jpg
11:22 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/counterfictive-validation/ << Trilema - Counterfictive validation
11:23 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.chipworks.com/about-chipworks/overview/blog/scanning-microwave-impedance-microscopy-smim << this looks quite buildable, using same mechanical rigging as the classic 'STM in your kitchen' recipe
11:25 Framedragger film recommendation by free association ("The Cineplex Entertaining Cinecenter for Couples")! -> The Lobster (2016)
11:26 Framedragger (or 2015, depending on how one counts, apparently)
11:26 Framedragger "singles are given 45 days to find a romantic partner or otherwise be turned into animals."
11:27 asciilifeform ic reversers sweat over cauldrons of hot acids, fiddle with ion beams, etc. but: one thing i've always wondered re subj is whether anybody's tried... microtome! then you dun care how many layers there are, and of what. just blast away the edge, and scan THAT! a few 100 atoms at a time.
11:27 asciilifeform literally turn the problem on its side.
11:35 mircea_popescu Framedragger either you recommended that or someone else did. i tried to watch the thing, kicked it out within ~10 minutes.
11:36 Framedragger hrm.
11:36 Framedragger mkay
11:36 mircea_popescu and WHY does everythiong look&feel exactly like black mirror these days! wtf, they went from reality-tv to the same sort of twilight zone docudrama.
11:36 mircea_popescu watching tv people do "creative" things is like watching laundromat attendants cook.
11:37 mircea_popescu unsurprisingly, everything has detergent in it.
11:37 Framedragger the wannabe-dystopia colour aesthetic *is* boring, yeah...
11:38 mircea_popescu Framedragger it's not even (just) about the screenplay. the actors, ALL OF THEM, without any exception, can't act. can't talk. can't even fucking block. they look like they came off eggs.
11:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mega-story btw
11:38 Framedragger (iirc i had suggested elena (2011) but iirc it's of a similar colour palette hmh)
11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's good physics why you can't have a reliable microtome.
11:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: laser in vacuum is pretty good microtome.
11:38 asciilifeform for solids at any rate.
11:38 asciilifeform you want controlled ablation, not slices, here.
11:39 mircea_popescu ah like a polisher. mebbe. it will necessarily move some of the unerlying though.
11:40 asciilifeform do it from the ~edge~ side of the chip. and this way surface/vol. ratio favours cooling also.
11:40 mircea_popescu even so, i'd be surprised if you get with less than 0.1% cutting induced blind spots
11:40 mircea_popescu ie, areas where you can't now know what once lay.
11:40 asciilifeform well that's why you do a cratefull, not 1 die.
11:41 mircea_popescu this yes.
11:41 asciilifeform like normal people.
11:41 mircea_popescu do laser in supercooled xenon or some shit. anyway
11:42 mircea_popescu afaik laser welding/cutting already happens under argon commercially.
11:42 asciilifeform noooo you don't do this under gas. you do it under hard vacuum. so it sublimates.
11:43 mircea_popescu you do it under gas so it cools
11:43 asciilifeform it cools by conduction, through the die, down into the anvil.
11:43 mircea_popescu may take you hours per chip
11:44 asciilifeform weeks.
11:44 mircea_popescu which means you'll end up with a complicated pile of cutters servicing one photoghrapher.
11:46 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nza71/?raw=true << geometry, if it wasn't wholly clear
11:46 asciilifeform (not to scale..)
11:46 mircea_popescu yes it was clear lol
11:46 asciilifeform lolk
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait so you liked the story of mark's anal woes ?
11:50 asciilifeform aha!
11:50 mircea_popescu does this mean in spite of mah best effort it's entirely divorced from the other one ?
11:50 asciilifeform quite possibly. other one requires coprocessor that i didn't come from the factory with, i suspect, to appreciate properly
11:51 mircea_popescu hm.
11:51 mircea_popescu in any case should be interesting once the v model takes hold for novel-writing, and no novel is anything but what it was meant to be : a tree.
11:52 asciilifeform also can't resist asking -- wai there is no diddletron in the 'pink' seat.
11:52 mircea_popescu the "authorship" bullshit / englithment fiction really went as far as it could go. in fact, a lot further than it should have ever went.
11:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno ; i suspect poys die with their hymen intact in that universe
11:53 mircea_popescu and schoolchildren believe "female genital mutilation" === defloration.
11:53 mircea_popescu (yes, it's boys and poys, because boy comes from blue not the fucking other way around, what terrorism is this.)
11:55 mircea_popescu i'm also vaguely curious which 2nd rate herp is going to, in a decade or two, "innovatively" write down "his" ideas about the new novel and the future of authorship.
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12:29 thestringpuller !~ticker
12:30 jhvh1 thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 772.11, Best ask: 773.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 773.79, 24 hour volume: 53763.05431689, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 923.66, 24 hour vwap: None
12:30 thestringpuller haven't seen this kinda volatility in awhile
12:37 asciilifeform in other 'news', 'DESIGN WITH PURPOSE, CREATE WITH PASSION There’s a reason why Altium Designer has a new license activated every hour, every day.'
12:37 asciilifeform ^ actual vendor www
12:37 asciilifeform i shit thee not.
12:37 asciilifeform 'parody horizon' left behind somewhere far, far away, long ago...
12:40 adlai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/128GK4N.txt
12:40 jhvh1 adlai: The operation succeeded.
12:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting the ablative microtome thing: betcha you could read the cross-section via purely electrical means. (there are four substances: n-doped si, p-doped si, isolator si, and metal. these are readily distinguishable without resorting to fancy optics, electron beam, or anything of the kind, just need sliding probe)
12:47 jurov or by liguriochemical sensing (i.e. licking)
12:47 asciilifeform jurov: now ~that~ would take geological time!
13:02 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-mining-difficulty-adjustment-of-2017-brings-6-05-rise-for-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - First Mining Difficulty Adjustment of 2017 Brings ~6.05% Rise For Another All Time High
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13:32 phf asciilifeform: do you happen to have a pruned config for linux kernel on x60?
13:38 asciilifeform i might
13:38 asciilifeform will take a few min to get it out.
13:40 phf thank you
13:45 asciilifeform phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt
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13:45 asciilifeform ecf2a8af1e2db46109fde477b42cecf04969f037eda128c842ec33e8149c668206b7a41e5835b448c8bbbc75ca1211dea7176b6ca8b4facbe2f97130be7e1ed6
13:46 asciilifeform fwiw my 'gentoo curative recipe' (posted last yr) is from same box.
13:46 phf excellent, thank you very much. that just saved me a day's worth of upfront poking
13:46 asciilifeform np.
13:46 asciilifeform also there is a script for getting the weirdo buttons on that machine to work, but it isn't original to me, and can be found elsewhere.
13:48 asciilifeform aaaaalso iirc you gotta rip out the intel wifi nic and (optionally) put in a normal-people (e.g., atheros) one
13:49 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaalso in order to do this you will need the patched bios.
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13:49 asciilifeform (did i post this ??)
13:49 phf а в остальном прекрасная маркиза всё хорошо всё хорошо
13:50 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin
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13:50 asciilifeform c47fd69679ba3e45a009a1cdd8e0093d289af50b902e6ff01fbae8cdd1207425ec4a056c0eaafb53368f0fe416379cc669bdc73cacd0349c811523f4be9c1533
13:51 phf ooh a patched on.. i take it you hand patched it, rather than compile from some leaked source?
13:51 asciilifeform ABSOLUTELY no guarantee, it is conceivable that your x60 differs somehow, undocumentedly, from my x60, and will detonate.
13:51 asciilifeform hand patched, in ida.
13:51 asciilifeform well, unpacked first, patched, repacked.
13:51 phf what's the packing format?
13:51 asciilifeform sha512(factorybios) == 41b9eed800968adbfad5c54a295f85b267257acc7d6154089b1bf42f786717a2e08084587cc4a240eb64a2c9c47563129edf6dc6d59db5d1f4e509271511247d on this one.
13:52 asciilifeform phf: phoenix's proprietary zlib thing.
13:53 asciilifeform originally i bought that box to try the rms thing.
13:53 asciilifeform it was a disaster, as documented here.
13:54 asciilifeform so to salvage it, i did the above.
13:54 phf i feel like you talked about the patch before, what does it do?
13:54 asciilifeform nops out the pci vendorid check on post.
13:54 asciilifeform this was one of those tard bioses that bans 3rdparty peripherals.
13:55 phf oh that's crafty. so you just plop atheros in the same slot as where intel wifi sits? it looked pretty "standard" the way it was sitting there
13:55 asciilifeform correct
13:55 asciilifeform standard.
13:56 asciilifeform https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16LIuIVXXXXXqXFXXq6xXFXXXW/Wireless-PCI-E-Atheros-AR5BXB6-AR5424-Wireless-Wifi-Mini-PCIe-wlan-card-for-IBM-T60-T60p.jpg << them
13:57 asciilifeform if you get a half-size card, you oughta also get the aluminum extender clip. (about $1)
13:57 asciilifeform so it'll stay put.
13:57 asciilifeform (alternatively, '3m' doublesides stickeytape!)
13:59 asciilifeform btw this bios contains the infamous 'computrace' rootkit. the cure for which is 1) don't switch it on 2) don't run winblowz
13:59 asciilifeform (it is winblowz-only, was then, and afaik to this day even remains.)
14:00 asciilifeform afaik all lenovo machines ship with it in.
14:00 trinque the claim made is that you can "switch it off permanently" iirc
14:00 trinque I don't buy it
14:00 asciilifeform trinque: it is fairly ham-handed, patches NTLDR
14:01 phf that passed by me, and it looks insane :o
14:01 asciilifeform and probably quite unnecessary in more recent iron, which has the intel fritzchip
14:01 phf "The system works by periodically reporting back to a central authority. In the event of theft, the central authority can instruct the resident agent to wipe all information as a security measure, or to track the whereabouts of the system, to help recover the stolen items via subsequent law enforcement activities"
14:02 asciilifeform phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense
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14:02 asciilifeform the vendor even flew in a flunkie
14:02 asciilifeform somewhere in the l0gz, i told this tale.
14:04 asciilifeform phf: i'm not a raving fan of the x60 -- can barely stand looking at the tft lcd.
14:04 asciilifeform but i also can't recommend a better, all else equal, lappy.
14:04 asciilifeform they're all rubbish.
14:05 asciilifeform (going to tft from ips is a little like shitting in a hole you dug yourself, after lifetime of indoor plumbing)
14:05 phf yeah, i'm just building a typing laptop. probably going to take it to india with me instead of main machine. can't really afford getting it stolen, and don't want to bother with proper compartmentalization
14:06 asciilifeform then x60 is the ticket. the last, afaik, lappy where linux worked ~100%.
14:06 asciilifeform incl. power chip.
14:06 phf 2 hours of battery is a bit sad, but i'm not planning on "working from a coffee shop" either
14:07 asciilifeform ask mircea_popescu where he gets stinkpad batteries.
14:07 asciilifeform iirc he had a place.
14:08 asciilifeform btw if you're going off on a voyage, afaik you can just as easily stick a gsm card in that slot
14:08 asciilifeform (in place of wlan)
14:08 phf !!
14:08 asciilifeform or in the pcmcia hole, etc
14:08 asciilifeform hey it ain't a hygienic box regardless of what you do or do not put in the holes.
14:10 asciilifeform incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went.
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14:11 asciilifeform (the latter signed -- with actual lordly key, obviously)
14:13 davout plox to recommend lisp dead trees for beginner
14:14 asciilifeform davout: steele's cltl2 as encyclopaedia. seibel's 'practical commonlisp'. graham (yes) 'ansi common lisp', circa 1994. keene's CLOS. 'common lisp recipes', weitz.
14:15 davout danke schön
14:16 asciilifeform 1 more thing
14:16 asciilifeform not dead tree but,
14:16 asciilifeform get CLHS and keep it on local disk, bookmarked.
14:16 phf typically people recommend http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and it's a sort of "rails for beginners" kind of book, but i think best cl option is http://www.norvig.com/paip.html. norvig's paradigms of artificial intelligence programming. it's not so much about "ai", but about some very useful symbolic algorithms, written in ~very elegant~ lisp code
14:16 asciilifeform you can really live with ~just~ clhs.
14:16 asciilifeform paip is quite spiffy.
14:17 asciilifeform (and yes, ~that~ norvig. he used to be 3111117)
14:17 asciilifeform http://clhs.lisp.se
14:17 phf it opens with enough of common lisp to be useful, and then goes into actual programming problems. i think it's one of the best programming books in general.
14:18 asciilifeform ^
14:19 davout asciilifeform phf thanks! i'll look into it, gonna start with clhs until i get back to a country where amazon delivers
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14:46 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#699 << logger fixd, preserves whitespace to better display phf's glorious hackery
14:57 deedbot http://cascadianhacker.com/pdx-snowpocalypse-2017 << CH - PDX Snowpocalypse 2017
15:03 ben_vulpes http://www.bikesdirect.com/ << i preemptively dub this best ecomm landing page experience of 2017
15:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601593 << alf is very precisely right ; and my girls use very similar scheme whenever out on missions.
15:11 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 19:10 asciilifeform: incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went.
15:12 mircea_popescu (a properly functioning woman is only distinct from a fighter-bomber in that she eats better smelling fuel. everything else -- same, fired from own hangar or boat, virtually undetectable en route, leaves behind trail of devastation etc.)
15:15 mircea_popescu nice ben_vulpes !
15:15 mircea_popescu ahahaha check it out, trilema selling bikes!
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16:51 deedbot http://cascadianhacker.com/best-ecommerce-landing-page-of-2017 << CH - Best ecommerce landing page of 2017
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18:07 BingoBoingo http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262727/racist-trees-our-national-parks-daniel-greenfield
18:10 asciilifeform this has ~gotta~ be a spoof...
18:11 mircea_popescu either very advanced spoof or very advanced real mccoy.
18:17 BingoBoingo Real news
18:20 asciilifeform !!up indiancandy
18:20 deedbot indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
18:21 indiancandy hey
18:21 indiancandy ahaha
18:21 indiancandy mp i wanna investin btc now
18:24 mircea_popescu o hey check who's back!
18:24 mircea_popescu didja strike it rich meanwhile ?
18:26 indiancandy no
18:26 indiancandy sadlyy
18:26 indiancandy i kno u did
18:26 indiancandy btc is off the roof atm
18:26 mircea_popescu well so then. investing is for rich folk.
18:27 mircea_popescu problem solved!
18:27 indiancandy ahaha
18:27 indiancandy well
18:27 indiancandy how do u prevent losing ur stock
18:27 indiancandy when it crashes
18:28 mircea_popescu you don't buy it on credit in the first place, i guess.
18:30 indiancandy my friend
18:30 indiancandy lost half
18:31 indiancandy a month ago
18:31 indiancandy due to a site crashing
18:31 indiancandy but really
18:31 indiancandy so im thinkin of buyin a few hundred pounds
18:31 indiancandy and sit on it
18:33 mircea_popescu can't hurt anything.
18:33 mircea_popescu there's a bunch of camho sites that will pay you in bitcoin too i think
18:35 indiancandy i heard
18:36 indiancandy whats the link
18:36 indiancandy of the sites
18:36 indiancandy or name
18:37 mircea_popescu i can't remember, but just ask your favorite
18:37 mircea_popescu prolly can work something out
18:37 indiancandy my fave
18:37 indiancandy ur my fave
18:37 indiancandy ahah
18:37 indiancandy i asked u
18:38 mircea_popescu lol i meant, your fave site.
18:38 indiancandy oh they do dollars
18:38 indiancandy mfc is my fave
18:38 indiancandy or current home
18:40 mircea_popescu ah. well, bitch at them i guess.
18:41 indiancandy thes guys
18:41 indiancandy r so dum
18:41 indiancandy they no nothin about btc
18:41 indiancandy all they do al day
18:41 indiancandy is wank
18:41 indiancandy different type of humans
18:41 indiancandy retarded
18:41 mircea_popescu i don't mean the punters, i mean the site administration.
18:44 indiancandy oh the dude
18:44 indiancandy is some shrude russian
18:44 indiancandy his worser than u mp
18:44 indiancandy lol
18:44 indiancandy leonardo radvinsky
18:44 asciilifeform wtf is a shrude?!
18:45 indiancandy mmm
18:46 indiancandy peircing cold
18:50 danielpbarron !!up indiancandy
18:50 deedbot indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
18:50 indiancandy thanks danny
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18:51 danielpbarron do you take USD jurov ?
18:51 jurov transferwise does the conversion
18:51 danielpbarron cool
18:56 indiancandy jurov
18:56 indiancandy im in the uk
18:57 indiancandy im jus indian
18:57 indiancandy well half
18:58 jurov UK is fine
18:59 indiancandy im learnin btc
18:59 indiancandy i kno nothin about it
19:00 indiancandy need a teacher
19:00 jurov maybe someone will teach you to use therealbitcoin in exchange for cam sessions or such
19:01 danielpbarron you should get into Eulora. that's a great easy way to hold btc
19:01 jurov i would if you were a boy model :)
19:01 jurov haha eulora, too
19:01 mircea_popescu i suppose eulora can be used that way huh.
19:05 indiancandy jurov
19:05 indiancandy u likeguys
19:05 indiancandy i can hook u up
19:05 jurov yep
19:05 indiancandy u a guy
19:05 jurov yep
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19:05 indiancandy youn cam guy
19:06 mircea_popescu every girl expands until she can pimp guys to guys and read mail.
19:06 jurov lel
19:06 mircea_popescu indiancandy do you eat steak ?
19:06 indiancandy nobeef
19:07 indiancandy sorry
19:07 jurov indiancandy: but really, if you want buy bitcoins for UK pounds, we can do it. and holding some bitcoin equivalent on eulora account is easy
19:08 indiancandy i ont even kno what eulora is
19:08 indiancandy mp y ask about steak
19:08 indiancandy wanna take me 4 steak
19:08 jurov eulora is online game with real currency
19:08 danielpbarron indiancandy, http://minigame.bz/
19:09 mircea_popescu sure, if you eat steak I CAN HOOK YOU UP!
19:09 mircea_popescu there's this place i go for 1kg primo beef.
19:09 indiancandy where in argentina
19:11 mircea_popescu lavalle 980 or some shit.
19:11 mircea_popescu davout knows, he poured a wine bottle on my head there for some reason.
19:11 indiancandy on ur head
19:11 indiancandy what did u do
19:11 mircea_popescu i was just sitting there!
19:12 indiancandy i mean when he did that
19:12 danielpbarron indiancandy, eulora is a program you can run on windows and effectively use as a bitcoin wallet, without having to mess around with the block chain directly
19:12 mircea_popescu i dunno, coupla years ago, i've not mentioned it since so he prolly imagined it's all forgotten!!1
19:13 ben_vulpes waiwut i don't remember this wine event
19:14 ben_vulpes i remember all wine events
19:14 indiancandy shit
19:15 mircea_popescu you were there, mthreat was too
19:15 indiancandy was u drunk
19:15 mircea_popescu nah.
19:16 asciilifeform this must've happened at a parallel-c3
19:16 mircea_popescu dude...
19:20 indiancandy well
19:20 indiancandy iguess u gotta forgiv him
19:20 indiancandy maybe he was drunk
19:22 jurov !!up indiancandy
19:22 deedbot indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
19:23 indiancandy how do i join web of trust
19:23 indiancandy againil finally do it
19:23 jurov !!manual
19:24 jurov where the manuls are
19:24 jurov first install GPGprogram, then http://deedbot.org/help.html
19:31 indiancandy !!gettrust
19:31 * deedbot hands you a broomstick.
19:32 indiancandy broomstick?
19:32 indiancandy hahaha#
19:33 asciilifeform in other lulz, asciilifeform searched for nitrogen cryoseparator ~once~ , ~year ago, and now sees google ads for it every single fucking day
19:34 indiancandy there watching u
19:34 asciilifeform it is a lol, picture if you searched 'boeing 737' one time, and then every ad you see after that is for buying one
19:36 mircea_popescu hey, it supports 5% of gpd growth from imaginary 7bn to imaginary 7.35bn
19:36 mircea_popescu or w/e the random numbers are these days
19:38 asciilifeform hey if boeing can count an instance of asciilifeform-shown-737-ad as $737price*$p-of-him-buying, and they also get to imagine that the latter is a positive number, >0, then gdp can be trillion!!!1
19:38 asciilifeform zillion.
19:39 mircea_popescu coming soon to a govt accounting office near you.
19:40 asciilifeform hey, riaa pioneered, and probably patented this marvelous Business Method!!
19:46 indiancandy mp u stil in arg
19:54 mircea_popescu yea.
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21:04 asciilifeform in quite unrelated lulz, http://www.sunrise-ev.com/z80.htm
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21:27 asciilifeform in even deeper lulz, http://retropcdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6
21:28 asciilifeform ^ punch-tape reader, made of modern components!
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22:18 mircea_popescu until a few years ago i still had stacks of those
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22:35 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember this wine event << great steaks at this place. Mr. P. had to leave and change his suit.
22:36 mod6 Got to talk with chetty a good long while this evening too.
22:49 asciilifeform ooooooh -- that!
22:49 mod6 aha
22:50 mod6 This was also the first time we discussed your ideas around mem fragmentation.
22:51 mod6 Or at least, iirc we talked about it for a bit.
22:52 BingoBoingo From other Petrus reports http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Male-Norwegian-politician-raped-asylum-seeker-says-feels-GUILTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html
22:54 asciilifeform aha!
22:55 asciilifeform and mike_c was skeptical, had other hypothesis, i wish i could recall ~what~
22:57 mod6 Ah, right. Yeah, I forget what his thought was there.
23:00 asciilifeform iirc it was not fully formed. but he didn't like mine, because it was 'gut hunch', which was quite fair
23:01 asciilifeform i miss mike_c , he was a solid d00d.
23:02 mod6 yeah, same. maybe he'll be back when he has a bit more time.
23:03 asciilifeform iirc he barfed during the schism? so who knows.
23:04 mod6 ah. maybe so.
23:05 * BingoBoingo hopes we never lose asciilifeform to child rearing
23:07 asciilifeform if i vanish it is safe to suppose that i was killed.
23:20 davout mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least that's what i remember!
23:23 mod6 yeah, your hand got away from you and knocked over a glass, which promptly went into Mr. P.'s lap.
23:23 mod6 shit happens.
23:24 davout not like i got on my chair, and slowly poured the whole contents of the wine bottle on mircea_popescu's head while everyone was watching in horror :D
23:25 BingoBoingo That you remember...
23:37 mircea_popescu lol ok ok
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