Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:08 asciilifeform in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb)
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00:17 trinque http://www.outsports.com/2017/3/20/14983388/transgender-weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-wins << In doing so she set new national records “in the snatch and clean and jerk,” according to 1 News Now.
00:26 shinohai -https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ZnZ2SUwAARAeH.jpg ^________________^
00:26 shinohai "A peer to peer electronic bug crash system"
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08:52 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-hustler/ << Trilema - The Hustler
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09:08 mircea_popescu shinohai progress! revolutionary new economy!
09:08 mircea_popescu an' trinque's thing's just too adorbs. clean snatch jerk eh.
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11:09 BingoBoingo OMG London Terrorism!
11:15 shinohai Secretary of State Rex Tillerson: " I didn't want this job .... but mah wife has me pussywhipped so I did it."
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11:40 shinohai Now that mircea_popescu pointed out fangs in "The anti-woman" I see them everywhere http://archive.is/3Hujw
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11:55 mircea_popescu shinohai lol.
11:56 mircea_popescu idiots.
11:56 mircea_popescu “Seventeen years old is obviously older, but at the same time it doesn’t make anything right,”
11:56 mircea_popescu what the fuck is wrong with these people ?
11:56 shinohai To be fair, all her teeth are relatively straight, so a bit or two would be most welcome in certain circumstances.
11:58 shinohai The creme de la creme though is ..... "Fowlkes taught anatomy, physiology ...."
11:58 shinohai Anatomy indeed!
11:59 mircea_popescu the notion that she's in a position of power over some male student is perhaps the lulziest bit in there.
11:59 mircea_popescu wtf is she going to do, gossip ?
12:01 diana_coman eh, give him a bad grade, "dent his self-esteem", "ruin his future" etc
12:01 mircea_popescu yeah right. she can't do that.
12:01 diana_coman yes, but at the same time she "can"
12:02 mircea_popescu sounds like a bum deal to me.
12:02 shinohai On paper anyway
12:02 diana_coman tbh I have no idea why/how would someone go into teaching at this moment; my only hypothesis is that really, really, they have NO other option at all
12:02 mircea_popescu "we pretend young women going out with young men is a big deal in order to thereby prop the nonsensical fiction that taking the absolute worst job there is somehow gives bordeline sleeves "power"."
12:02 diana_coman but like at all
12:03 shinohai Worked for Preeet eh
12:03 mircea_popescu this prosecution is expected to produce a further 3k shoulda-been-a-stripper enrollments into teaching countrywide, and at least 50k more useless undergrads signing up for overpriced college tuition.
12:04 mircea_popescu diana_coman no see, she wants to have power. because she doesn't. and if you go into teaching you have power, because that's why they keep prosecuting them.
12:04 mircea_popescu it's ~same reason dumb pubescent girls went into "witching". siunce people burn witches, it's clearly JUST the thing for a lowly wench with no resources.
12:04 mircea_popescu why do 30yos go around on the software adequate for the needs of a 14yo in 1817 is anyone's guess, but i suppose its proper name is progress.
12:05 diana_coman ugh, I thought it was already more than obvious that no power at all,what with all the assorted "rights" and "child protection" and what nots
12:05 mircea_popescu as always, the empire is consistent, in its batshit insane sort of logic.
12:05 mircea_popescu diana_coman nothing's obvious to the powerless. this is a pleonasm.
12:06 diana_coman that's precisely my point: I get it that some 20 years ago they went into teaching for this reason; meanwhile it's so constricted and day by day more so that ...
12:06 diana_coman I guess so
12:06 mircea_popescu obvious is ice to power's water.
12:08 diana_coman makes sense, that
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12:26 ben_vulpes !!up aseriousgogetta are you going to keep joining and parting all morning?
12:26 deedbot aseriousgogetta voiced for 30 minutes.
12:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: tard's been doing it for weeks
12:27 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: oh i know
12:27 ben_vulpes seriously, go and get her
12:30 asciilifeform * crackerJack (~infopirat@rrcs-50-84-154-226.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #trilema << oh hey, because apparently we need TWO ninjashotguns from same pigsty
12:31 phf we're moving on up, but still no confiscated electronics on the border
12:31 * phf is mildly disappointed
12:32 mircea_popescu that'd be like the 1983 soviets confiscating communist international propaganda material
12:33 mircea_popescu wtf do they want with anyone's ipad.
12:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the proverbial 'six words from the pen of the honest man', presumably.
12:33 asciilifeform gunpowderplot.txt
12:34 mircea_popescu on the ipad ? typed one letter at a time ?
12:34 mircea_popescu does it even HAVE a vi or anything ?
12:34 phf perversely is probably does
12:35 asciilifeform or sitting in mail etc
12:35 phf https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vim/id492668168?mt=8
12:35 asciilifeform or in fauxpgp
12:35 mircea_popescu that'd be fine employment for what's his name wanna-be da indian. fill tax returns on ipad kbd for the rest of his days.
12:35 asciilifeform ( speaking of which, https://archive.is/p1EJN >> Run Moar Keybase )
12:36 mircea_popescu lel
12:36 * shinohai is a little sad to see vim as an app
12:37 mircea_popescu "As reported by Motherboard, a September 2016 filing by a Canadian court revealed that the Dutch police were able to decrypt the PGP-encrypted messages because the Dutch investigators may have found the decryption keys on the seized server itself."
12:37 mircea_popescu imbeciles./
12:38 mircea_popescu wtf is "end to end encryption" in the opinion of that journalist ?
12:39 asciilifeform i still wonder, the lurk remoras, they have no www browser on their box ?
12:39 asciilifeform reading logs goes against their religion. or wat.
12:40 mircea_popescu you care too much.
12:40 asciilifeform strictly entomological interest.
12:41 mircea_popescu yeah but it's a little like wondering why the pollen suspended in water took a left.
12:41 mircea_popescu brownian motion's a thing. there's no why.
12:41 mircea_popescu they're subhuman for a reason, and the reason they're subhuman is exactly this : BRAINDAMAGE.
12:41 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyMSc97UksM
12:42 asciilifeform tru.
12:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630768 << lol: peru
12:48 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 01:36 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE72A8A92BAD54483D369030249CB608FDE6742BFFE5683D09385073F04B97DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1424...5529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.62.176.35 (ssh-rsa key from 200.62.176.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown PE LMA)
12:48 asciilifeform and here i was, wondered if they even had the net there.
12:49 asciilifeform !$ ssh 200.62.176.35
12:49 scriba ssh banner of 200.62.176.35 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
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12:49 asciilifeform and not only the net, but they have magic-debian.
12:51 mircea_popescu why would the orcs have anything else.
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from not updating since '06, say.
12:52 mircea_popescu lol.
12:53 mircea_popescu next they';re going to have internet in 1994 and the ps2 in 1995.
12:53 mircea_popescu heck, the whole africa used phone market isn't there because THESE FUCKS EAT THE LEFTOVERS AS A DEFINITIONAL CHARACTERISTIC. but purely as a matter of choice.
12:54 asciilifeform choice?
12:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall the lulz about the expired windows on argentina's patriotic pride big screen next to the "national theatre" ?
12:54 asciilifeform we have these here
12:55 asciilifeform on ATMs, even
12:55 mircea_popescu i'm sure.
12:55 asciilifeform winblowz xp bsod on atm, does not even surprise anyone, any moar, afaik.
12:55 mircea_popescu point being, by the time argentina heard of computers in 2010, windows 95 was just coming out.
12:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't bsod. was "this windows is anciend please sir."
12:56 asciilifeform i did find myself wondering, what exactly microshit did to make sure that it in fact ended up happening in 'we heard of computer in 2010' planet.
12:56 asciilifeform the argentines et al had a golden chance to not-have-microshit
12:56 asciilifeform and fucked it.
12:56 mircea_popescu there;s a reason rms spent his days shuttling from brazil to liberia or wherever the fuck "open source" was "really taking off" once open source was well and truly dead.
13:00 mircea_popescu why did they think it's cool a half year after it was no longer worth the mention ?
13:00 mircea_popescu why the fuck do they think dollars are an investment in 1995 ? it was a fucking investment in 1913, but back THEN they were buying austro-hungarian paper.
13:04 asciilifeform it is entirely possible to be 'behind the times' in a non-retarded way, e.g. 'what ipad, i still have a working pdp11'
13:04 mircea_popescu ipad is not the times.
13:04 asciilifeform why they instead have win2k -- i cannot say
13:04 mircea_popescu this is exactly the point, and i suspect the definitional characteristic of orcdom : the inability to distinguish science mag from cosmo. the failure to comprehend ipad is not nor can not be, no matter what happens, the times.
13:05 mircea_popescu "but everyone uses it!" dun matter "but it's really cool!" dun matter "but i really like it!" you're an orc, do the opposite of your natural impulse because your natural impulse is made of shit. etc etc.
13:05 asciilifeform it isn't clear to me that americans, in the general case, can distinguish cosmo from whatever.
13:05 mircea_popescu and they're orcs these days.
13:06 mircea_popescu shockley period americans didn't have much trouble distinguishing car from rickshaw.
13:06 mircea_popescu "but everyone rickshaws!" not for long, bitches.
13:06 asciilifeform funnily enough (at least to me) even the humble rickshaw was introduced by the white man
13:07 asciilifeform ( prior -- oxcart, or legs, pick. )
13:07 mircea_popescu aha. different period tho.
13:07 asciilifeform yea
13:08 asciilifeform incidentally.. there are pedal-powered rickshaws in washington. for ~decade nao.
13:08 asciilifeform ~100% of the pedallers : white d00dz in their 20s, 'college victims'
13:09 mircea_popescu i expect they're just trying to meet girls.
13:09 mircea_popescu (there's a reason bar wenches were female, and the reason is, that originally it was a very reasonable way to get yourself mated.)
13:09 asciilifeform from the position of a draft horse?!
13:10 mircea_popescu why not ? submissive sex, gotta display, neh ?
13:10 asciilifeform no i was speaking of the pedal folx
13:10 mircea_popescu chick knows what she's buying and how much it costs, mebbe-mebbe.
13:10 mircea_popescu yes.
13:11 phf i know a guy who rickshaws (in new york, now in austin), and loved it for that very reason. i think he stopped because young girls don't typically get pedicab, mostly drunken old women who "grab his ass" etc.
13:12 mircea_popescu so he turns around and "ass grabbing carries a twenny dollar fine m'am"
13:14 phf he's not that smooth, though that would be a sop reaction in india
13:14 mircea_popescu contrary to the common fantasy, most betas would actually be a lot fucking happier if they could live in out and out sexual slavery rather than the bs they're stuck with currently.
13:14 mircea_popescu most "bad relationships" are exactly that. bitter moon (the film) if anyone saw that crap is best summarized as "two subbies arguing who should top that evening".
13:14 mircea_popescu it gets pretty messy.
13:15 mircea_popescu phf and i bet the happenstance that friend-describes-him-as-not-smooth and the incidental that no-hot-chicks-take-to-his-bower are entirely and wholly unrelated in his own estimation, if somehow it were to be obtained yes ?
13:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which common fantasy
13:19 mircea_popescu head of household or w/e. independent agent at the least.
13:22 phf guy connects to trilema from his android, gets banned, still doesn't reach out to anybody. "oh, i'm sorry, my bad, i will learn to wash ass", something
13:22 mircea_popescu most of the tubes lead nowhere / most of the nerves aren't connected / most of the cables lay buried in a pile of mud.
13:23 mircea_popescu postapocalyptica, yes ? "i wonder what this rope is connected to" "nothing."
13:23 mircea_popescu 50-50 the "intelligent" app just connects him for good measure and behind the screen.
13:24 mircea_popescu it's the I[di]OT way. browsers "prefetch" pages, on it goes.
13:24 phf "i have an irc client???"
13:37 ben_vulpes in other government science: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39351833
13:38 mircea_popescu ten years later i finally figured out what fucking possessed nival to ruin heroes of might and magic 5.
13:38 mircea_popescu they were trying to do final fantasy tactics! holy shit, a decade later
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13:57 ben_vulpes https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/03/30-years-ago-a-look-back-at-1987/520290/ << featuring agent orange, liza minella, old compaqs, the clintons, and a few ships on fire
13:58 ben_vulpes minelli*
14:03 asciilifeform 'Pennsylvania State Treasurer R. Budd Dwyer holds a pistol as he prepared to shoot himself in front of cameras during a news conference in his State Capitol office in Harrisburg.' << pretty great
14:03 asciilifeform where did these go.
14:09 mircea_popescu the ones that did it, to the graveyard. the replacements -- don't do it.
14:10 asciilifeform noshit
14:10 mircea_popescu hey, you asked! :D
14:10 asciilifeform 'where am i?' 'you are in a car'
14:10 mircea_popescu lol
14:15 asciilifeform 'Since Dwyer died in office, his widow Joanne was able to collect full survivor benefits, totaling over $1.28 million.' --pediwik
14:15 asciilifeform lulzy.
14:16 mircea_popescu yeah, dead lizard srs bad news for the empire.
14:16 mircea_popescu kinda the point of killing them, really.
14:16 asciilifeform pretty minor league lizard, afaik.
14:17 mircea_popescu and it still is a whole million of 1980 dollars.
14:17 asciilifeform iirc - a postman's widow could collect a mil. depending on when he dies.
14:25 ben_vulpes heh "current" ppc gentoo build is dated 2014?
14:26 asciilifeform heh, that's what, 4? 5? yrs after the last ppc box was sold other than secondhand?
14:26 asciilifeform gentoo afaik never had a theo de raadt, with cellar full of vax, pdp
14:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you really oughta cross-compile the whole shebang
14:27 asciilifeform as asciilifeform did for, e.g., pogo.
14:29 ben_vulpes surely that's not going to be as simple as adding the right CROSS_COMPILE flag to portage conf files, right?
14:30 asciilifeform probably not.
14:30 mircea_popescu eh why the hell not. you're gonna be the lucky one,
14:30 ben_vulpes what would "the right way" to "cross-compile the whole shebang" be?
14:30 mircea_popescu software'll just work for you.
14:30 mircea_popescu why the hell not.
14:30 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: thanks mircea_popescu
14:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see the pogo build articles.
14:34 ben_vulpes aye aye
14:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html << arm cross-flags example (from ye olde trb)
14:36 asciilifeform actually strike that,
14:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << recipe
14:37 asciilifeform ^ includes the buildroot process
14:39 asciilifeform unrelatedly, https://archive.is/F7Vjc << from the world of opsecfail lulz.
14:40 asciilifeform ^ complete with 'oh it wasn't the tor, believe'
14:40 mircea_popescu fentanyl ? druglords ?
14:40 mircea_popescu whats next, titus anime steel ?
14:42 asciilifeform https://archive.is/0qmNU << from same rag. 'The US Third Circuit Court of Appeals today upheld a lower court ruling of contempt against a chap who claimed he couldn't remember the password to decrypt his computer's hard drives.'
14:43 mircea_popescu aww
14:43 asciilifeform any day nao, peine forte et dure comes back!111
14:43 asciilifeform it's the logical end.
14:43 asciilifeform (then -- 'coke machine.')
14:44 ben_vulpes why, if prosecution relies on "known hashes" are these verboten integers not twiddled ever so slightly for each customer?
14:44 mircea_popescu known hashes ?
14:44 ben_vulpes "thousands of files with the same hash values as known child pornography files"
14:45 mircea_popescu ah. you are asking the wrong question.
14:45 ben_vulpes would be funny to re-release all of those files fuzzed ever so slightly
14:45 mircea_popescu the right question is, why doesn't twitter alter all its images on the fly to hit those hashes
14:45 mircea_popescu and the answer is, because twitter is part of usg, not part of the internet.
14:45 ben_vulpes bloat the "known hashes" db rightly.
14:45 ben_vulpes oooh and make a bunch of work for 'ai' image recognition programmers
14:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: afaik they use humans
14:46 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: at what point in the toolchain?
14:46 mircea_popescu how exactly were some people capable of geting "hashes" of files they need some dork's password to decrypt ?
14:47 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: when deciding what to plant on the 'criminal' comp, naturally
14:47 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "decrypted mac pro but not external hdds"
14:47 mircea_popescu ...
14:47 mircea_popescu maybe i'm slow, but i can't connect that to the q ?
14:48 ben_vulpes didja read the article?
14:48 mircea_popescu ah i did not.
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16:37 asciilifeform readerz write in : https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/blog/posts/pitchfork.html << new tardano.
16:38 asciilifeform meanwhile, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! moar FUCKGOATS shipped today. see your invoice www pg to learn if yours was in this batch.
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16:42 asciilifeform https://camp.hsbp.org/2016/pp7e0/fahrplan/system/attachments/22/original/camp__.pdf << sooo i look at his pcb -- antenna track?! then read, 'key exchange over 2.4GHz', 'post-quantum crypto (newhope and symmetric)'
16:42 asciilifeform that was pretty quick snoar-inducer.
16:44 Framedragger hm, even among new hipster crypto people newhope was still supposed to be 'experimental' / new (2015)
16:44 Framedragger it's one thing tor jumping ahead with newhope because omg POSTQUANTUM, but a pgp board.. lol
16:45 asciilifeform aaaaanything-but-rsa!!!1111
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16:45 Framedragger the radio interface is hipsta but talk about increased attack surface omg.
16:46 shinohai Bored with all those other apps? Examine thy semen! http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/3/22/15009960/male-fertility-device-smartphone-app-semen-test
16:46 Framedragger luckily there haven't been any leakage of key material over radio
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16:46 asciilifeform Framedragger: for some reason 9 out of 10 tardanos have onboard radios.
16:46 Framedragger congratz on fuckgoats shipments asciilifeform btw
16:47 asciilifeform Framedragger: got yours yet ?
16:47 Framedragger and congratz mod6 on V release
16:47 ben_vulpes !!up eo
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16:47 deedbot eo voiced for 30 minutes.
16:48 Framedragger asciilifeform: not yet, airstrip1 royalmail.legit.biz must still be scanning it :)
16:48 ben_vulpes does nobody up strangers anymore?
16:48 Framedragger (mail from US takes a while here sometimes)
16:48 asciilifeform i do idly wonder what the parcels will look like on the other end of their trip.
16:49 asciilifeform that one time i sent a sample of boards to mircea_popescu , in 2014, was a real lulzfest
16:49 ben_vulpes heh, link? pics?
16:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc he posted a photo at some point, is in the l0gz
16:52 ben_vulpes i assume, yes, and ask as i have nfi what even to search for
16:52 phf ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
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16:53 ben_vulpes i'd almost rather see an auto-kicker
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16:53 Framedragger #trilema-lounge
16:54 ben_vulpes "has nick joined and parted within the past week without saying anything after receiving voice?"
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16:54 Framedragger bots autoup folks there, use channel as funnel of good material into #trilema; or, bots calculate entropy of nicks outputting there, creating automatic pipeline.. horrible idea i know
16:55 phf i'm not sure the idea is relevant, since you can just have an open channel for funneling already
16:56 phf but it's not advertised anywhere. bulk of random strangers is going t come here
16:56 Framedragger yeah sure
16:56 phf also the whole "funnel of good material" was the original idea behind mp's "start your own channels"
16:57 ben_vulpes i'll be surprised if new people are even welcome without immediately joining the wot and introducing themselves much after q3
16:58 Framedragger ben_vulpes: q3? like, 3rd quarter of year?
16:58 ben_vulpes Framedragger: what else
16:59 Framedragger just sounded oddly specific
16:59 ben_vulpes "much after q3" is specific to you?
17:00 ben_vulpes nm, chores
17:00 * ben_vulpes bbl
17:02 Framedragger i simply haven't internalised the republic's world_takeover_timeline.txt
17:03 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630987 << for a second this looked like a response to the previous line :D
17:03 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 20:46 Framedragger: luckily there haven't been any leakage of key material over radio
17:08 Framedragger heh works well with both :)
17:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631002 << the remoras, historically, have shown 0 interest in talking, or - when talking - in making any sense
17:21 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 20:52 phf: ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
17:21 asciilifeform the folx who actually want to speak -- and have something to say -- follow the instructions, they ask somebody for an 'up'.
17:23 ben_vulpes mhm
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17:41 asciilifeform !!up fd_travel
17:41 deedbot fd_travel voiced for 30 minutes.
17:41 fd_travel good news, scriba et al.'s hosting provider is doing maintenance again, only this time it's scheduled (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=610)
17:41 * fd_travel will change provider.
17:42 asciilifeform kernel?!
17:42 asciilifeform it's on a vps?!
17:42 ben_vulpes such interrobang
17:42 fd_travel yesyes. fwiw the ssh banner db is on dedicated server. i just have an old vps which has been doing just fine actually
17:43 fd_travel for websites n' stuff. but need to move to normal box
17:43 fd_travel hey to my knowledge quite a bit of tmsr infra is on vps :)
17:43 ben_vulpes do you have a citation for that claim?
17:44 fd_travel i recall checking deedbot's and a111's IPs (digitalocean etc), but hey, if it worx.
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17:44 fd_travel that said, not the best of arguments.
17:44 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform's www is on a vps, has been for decade+ , but it is not 'infrastructure'. )
17:44 fd_travel (so, to be clear -- will move)
17:44 ben_vulpes do has full boxes for rent
17:45 fd_travel mk. (anyway, that was inane of me, need to move forward, not sideways)
17:45 fd_travel ah hi scriba
17:46 ben_vulpes don't they?
17:46 fd_travel i wouldn't trust their virtualised 'dedicated box' offer to actually be dedicated but who knows
17:46 ben_vulpes suppose not, color me wrong.
17:46 * fd_travel has used DO before, does its job
17:47 asciilifeform i am actually rather fond of my vps hoster, nfs co (discussed in the logs at least twice, one of which was the time mircea_popescu wrote to them 'why not bitcoin?' and they answered 'bitcoin is a snore', he then barfed)
17:48 asciilifeform i pay couplea bux per mo for what is in effect five-nines uptime, and the closest thing i've ever seen to infinite ddos resistance
17:49 asciilifeform and with 0 'cloudflare' or whatever other hipsterism.
17:49 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: nfs does 'vps'?
17:49 asciilifeform the minus is that it is (yes) in usa, and has very limited support for anything that isn't text www
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17:50 fd_travel i wonder how they handle ddos. i mean, maybe your blog is just not baitsy enough :p
17:50 ben_vulpes in other top lols, you can now have a "custom gender" in the google play store
17:51 ben_vulpes my gender is now "Marquis"
17:51 asciilifeform fd_travel: they have a strange and ancient setup, you use their nameserver, the boxes actually serving up your thing, vary, the ip is not static, quite eldritch
17:52 fd_travel huh custom load balancing magic
17:52 asciilifeform aha, and long before 'it was hip'
17:54 asciilifeform they also claim that they have never dropped a paying account other than by court order , but i have no way of knowing if true.
17:54 asciilifeform at any rate, for the price it is quite impossible to beat, i have nfi how they are able to supply this kind of service, at that price.
17:54 fd_travel yeah i liked quite a few things about them when i spotted them long ago, micro-precision accounting, etc.
17:54 asciilifeform aha, pay per byte.
17:55 asciilifeform (they also have a thing, iirc, where you can buy 'buckets' of bandwidth, for use in case of elaborate ddos, but i have not tried it)
17:56 asciilifeform the unfortunate thing is that nfs co. is quite useless for most of the purposes of most folx here.
17:56 asciilifeform no persistent unix processes permitted.
17:56 Framedragger (scriba failing to self-up - checking)
17:57 Framedragger (*ah*, that separate "UP" in deedbot's msg)
17:58 asciilifeform also ben_vulpes may be right, i do not know if the proper name for what nfs co does is 'vps'.
17:58 asciilifeform it is more barbaric, even, than vps.
17:59 ben_vulpes shared hosting, traditionally, no? but what else is a vps but shared hosting
17:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is closer to vps, actually, you get an ssh login and a thing that superficially resembles an actual linux box from inside said ssh
18:00 asciilifeform (rather than a proprietary crapolade uploader, or ftp, as typical in ye olde 'shared host')
18:00 asciilifeform but of course it is emulated, and is expected to not hog the cpu.
18:01 ben_vulpes wacky
18:01 ben_vulpes i don't want to think about that
18:01 asciilifeform afaik unique.
18:01 ben_vulpes possibly lxc-alike per ssh conn?
18:01 asciilifeform i do not in fact know the exact mechanism.
18:01 asciilifeform whatever it is, had to have been around in '07.
18:02 asciilifeform and earlier.
18:02 asciilifeform for all i know, they wrote from scratch.
18:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you get a postgres process tho. by ticking a box in the www acct panel; it then magically appears in your pseudolinux.
18:04 Framedragger (k fixd)
18:05 Framedragger asciilifeform: pretty nifty!
18:06 asciilifeform Framedragger: it suffers -- besides the obvious minuses described earlier -- from the martian problem. i.e. if it ever dies, there is no ready replacement
18:06 asciilifeform wholly custom, made by perhaps long-dead gnomes.
18:06 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: whoa a whole process? not a connection?
18:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we are speaking of simulacra. i have nfi if it is physically a 'whole' process.
18:07 asciilifeform certainly nobody ought to suffer any delusion of crypto-isolation, when buying vpsolade.
18:07 ben_vulpes spooky
18:08 asciilifeform the thing is hyper-optimized for hosting well-ddosed blogs. and specifically ones running on 1990s-style software, where the cpu is idle except when somebody is actually loading a page. but other than that imposes no restrictions on proggies you run, last i saw you even had gcc in there, could build own, run.
18:09 asciilifeform i set up a lisp in there once, even (i forget which, may have been clisp) but it was a pain, whole process had to be born when page is loaded, and promptly die
18:09 mircea_popescu in other news, mp takes girl to picnic at neighbourhood park, she goes naked, within 15 minutes there's half a dozen local cops around the blanket being all concerned.
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18:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is that even a ticketable offense in mircea_popesculandia ?
18:10 asciilifeform ( in usa it is just short of armed robbery , afaik, though ianal )
18:10 mircea_popescu i didn't get a ticket for it.
18:10 mircea_popescu but apparently TEH WOMEN complained.
18:10 asciilifeform who ELSE could've possibly complained lel
18:11 mircea_popescu anyway, to my eye the amusing thing is that if you get a nude hottie out in the open, what'll happen is the half dozen boys that'll dare approach will a) be symbolically protected by their magical uniform garb and b) ask for the perturbation in the force be removed OH PLEASE GOD MAKE IT GO AWAY.
18:12 mircea_popescu somewhat at odds with the public imagination of you know, gangrape-till-daybreak (if imaginer is female) or else "they'll start zombieing around with beers, eventually some dude will try to make money renting folding chairs, that sorta thing".
18:13 mircea_popescu anyway, it was lulzy, "let's see your papers" "well i don't carry them" "why not ?" "the embassy told me not to because i'll get robbed." "oh".
18:13 mircea_popescu apparently they're very enamoured with the idea that you get robbed here. nfi why. i guess it keeps them in jobs.
18:14 asciilifeform here in northern monkeystan 'no papers' is a guaranteed trip to the station.
18:14 mircea_popescu i suspect everyone in the field just HAD to come over to see this wonder. i'm guessing they literally never heard of such before.
18:15 mircea_popescu anyway. sarge explained to me that it's not done here. and also wanted to know if i "consume"
18:15 mircea_popescu which i deduce is their slang for smoking pot.
18:15 mircea_popescu because, he points out, also not to be done in public.
18:15 ben_vulpes what, he wasn't going to offer you one for the privilege of staring at your babe?
18:16 mircea_popescu i think he was married. there was a very hot and bothared youth. he made it first.
18:16 mircea_popescu i imagine he ran. also i don't imagine he got any this year.
18:16 mircea_popescu "omg she was completely naked!!1"
18:17 mircea_popescu was trying to get phones from the people around "for evidence".
18:17 asciilifeform waiwat
18:17 asciilifeform how would that work
18:18 mircea_popescu i have nfi. he never heard of tumblr i guess ?
18:18 diana_coman that sounds close enough/toward the "make money renting folding chairs" though, doesn't it?
18:18 diana_coman the"evidence"
18:18 asciilifeform presumption being that they took photos, of the 'crime scene'..?
18:18 mircea_popescu yep, quite exactly diana_coman
18:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... considering what's on youtube, i wouldn't be surprised if they had.
18:19 diana_coman so perhaps not that much at odds after all; re the female imagined part, I suspect that has more to do with fact that ... "what'll happen" depends on who gets her out
18:19 mircea_popescu eh. no way in fuck anyone walks up to a naked woman and talks to her.
18:19 mircea_popescu they can't do it even when dressed.
18:20 diana_coman what, no "gipsy" anywhere?
18:20 mircea_popescu hm ?
18:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630979 << omaigerd stop dribbling them out!!1
18:26 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 20:38 asciilifeform: meanwhile, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! moar FUCKGOATS shipped today. see your invoice www pg to learn if yours was in this batch.
18:26 diana_coman back in Ro, in my experience gipsies had fewer if any such troubles re speaking to women, naked or not; they were quite cowards (i.e. if someone took them to task/seemed powerful around they would retreat) but otherwise not suffering from much anxiety re the interaction itself
18:27 mircea_popescu and fuck me i'm not reading that ctrlc.hu marmalade. "after years of marmalade im done"
18:27 mircea_popescu diana_coman no gypsies.
18:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you missed nothing.
18:27 asciilifeform thing is entirely summarized in the log.
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18:44 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631037 << must be recalling with arse neurons.
18:44 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 21:44 fd_travel: i recall checking deedbot's and a111's IPs (digitalocean etc), but hey, if it worx.
18:46 trinque !#s from:trinque datacenter
18:46 a111 3 results for "from:trinque datacenter", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atrinque%20datacenter
18:48 trinque starting to tire of this kid's sideways manner of talking.
18:49 trinque ftr, all trb downloads come from a dedicated deeds box I've been happy to run as core infrastructure pro bono.
18:49 trinque those downloads of deeds are coming from my pipe, not "our VPS"
18:50 ben_vulpes this leaves i believe phf's wintermute, with its once-decade of uptime
18:51 trinque strike that, all trb deps mod6 deeded; he is hosting the V stuff.
18:53 trinque and understand, outside of the L1, your opinion on how infrastructure is run is worth nothing, and your "everyone does X, so I can" construction makes you sound like a bed-wetter.
18:55 mod6 <+trinque> strike that, all trb deps mod6 deeded; he is hosting the V stuff. << fwiw it's also posted to the ML which is on some other environment.
18:56 ben_vulpes in entirely others topics, gentoo quest ppc edition has stumbled on step boot-from-usb
18:56 ben_vulpes so i have procured OPTICAL MEDIA
18:56 trinque mod6: I'm quite happy to host anything that supports trb work
18:56 trinque ben_vulpes: there's some txbi thing in openfirmware
18:57 trinque buncha weird slashes and nonsense spells
18:58 mod6 also, I think the idea of deedifying my version of V is also worthwhile... I think I've simply been waiting for it to satisfy the constraints before creating a genesis. Once that's created, then I'd say it'd be worthy of freezing.
18:58 trinque ben_vulpes: https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/macppc/INSTALL.macppc << I want to say the device comes up as "ud" for USB... sometimes
18:58 ben_vulpes yeah i got into open firmware, attempted booting from all usb options
18:58 trinque not that you're doing obsd, but the docs there are helpful
18:58 ben_vulpes sans incantations because i had no idea which would take
18:59 ben_vulpes optical media is a go, though.
18:59 trinque sweet
18:59 ben_vulpes thing showed up with a fresh 10.4 install
18:59 * ben_vulpes sighs a sigh for the days gone by
19:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: is this one of those boxes that had liquid cooler standard ?
19:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: negative
19:00 asciilifeform ( iirc the quad core one, had )
19:01 ben_vulpes i've yet to lay hands on a qc
19:01 asciilifeform was the last 'serious' crapple
19:02 asciilifeform (i.e. not a repainted wintel box, but actual exotica)
19:02 asciilifeform http://s3.postimg.org/qonfcus43/G5_Dual_LCU.jpg << subj.
19:03 ben_vulpes huh
19:03 ben_vulpes i don't think i want watercooled irreplaceable computronium
19:04 Framedragger trinque: sorry for the noise, man. you're right, of course.
19:06 ben_vulpes "iirc" is fine...provided one r's c
19:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it wasn't the quad ?
19:06 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't have any quads yet
19:06 asciilifeform aah
19:07 ben_vulpes and if they're water cooled i'll probably pass
19:07 trinque seems like quads are a bit harder to find
19:07 ben_vulpes trinque: probably still in use at graphics hausen
19:07 trinque aha
19:07 asciilifeform if you ever do find -- fill it with fluorinert.
19:08 ben_vulpes this is like a water cooled small plane engine
19:09 ben_vulpes as if the plane weren't stupidly complex enough already, let's bolt another pile of heinous complexity to it as well
19:09 * asciilifeform had a water-cooled box, with around six litres, for some years. (it ~did~ eventually leak.)
19:10 ben_vulpes it is unavoidable!
19:10 ben_vulpes helicopters are also unconscionably complex devices
19:11 asciilifeform i could picture a water-cooled thing with a very short loop, and good seals (i.e. no expectation of ever being able to disassemble it: welded copper pipes, like your fridge) not leaking.
19:11 asciilifeform at least for few decades.
19:12 ben_vulpes may as well immerse in mineral oil at that point.
19:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc we had this thread
19:12 ben_vulpes right
19:12 asciilifeform konsoomer electronics doesn't much like oil
19:12 asciilifeform (electrolytic caps, in particular)
19:12 asciilifeform you'd have to varnish them, i suspect.
19:12 ben_vulpes the one additional point possibly worth making is that don't run your engines hot if you want them to last.
19:13 ben_vulpes you want to hoon around the parking lot making smoke? buy a drift slut, don't do that to the wrx
19:14 ben_vulpes not only is that terrible for your alignment but if you ever even come close to hitting the rev limiter in a car you want to preserve the value of....
19:14 ben_vulpes heaven help you
19:15 asciilifeform http://www.parallax-tech.com/fluorine.htm << fluorinert peddler in small qrt. asciilifeform has not tried. but entertaining read.
19:15 asciilifeform *qnt.
19:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> in entirely others topics, gentoo quest ppc edition has stumbled on step boot-from-usb << entirely typical of my experience of this wonder.
19:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hvac units leak after about 3 years.
19:19 asciilifeform where, in aerial combat over vietnam ?
19:19 mircea_popescu in commercial deployments.
19:20 asciilifeform even in humble auto, ~0 typically, mine was last filled decade ago.
19:20 asciilifeform and worx.
19:21 mircea_popescu hey. musta not been made in china.
19:21 asciilifeform yea it's a pre-plastic auto.
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19:21 asciilifeform among the last.
19:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631002 << terrible idea.
19:21 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 20:52 phf: ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
19:22 mircea_popescu let them fix their problems themselves.
19:22 * shinohai remembers the Dogecoin chan had this, worked exactly as one would expect .....
19:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631005 << this is not a bad idea, for eventually.
19:22 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 20:54 ben_vulpes: "has nick joined and parted within the past week without saying anything after receiving voice?"
19:25 * ben_vulpes off
19:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631052 << part of the problem is eg trilema has i dun recall how many gb of acumulated pix. though i've seen very hardcore text blogs and didn't look so bad.
19:27 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 21:49 asciilifeform: the minus is that it is (yes) in usa, and has very limited support for anything that isn't text www
19:27 asciilifeform i also have a gb or so of pix.
19:27 asciilifeform (not , naturally, as many as trilema.)
19:27 mircea_popescu ah. then non-text www works fine too
19:28 asciilifeform what i meant was, text vs 'apps' or whatever other strange 'modern' crapola
19:29 asciilifeform ( and you couldn't put, e.g., trb in there. )
19:33 mircea_popescu yea
19:33 mircea_popescu course the "apps" are mostly js neh
19:34 mircea_popescu tbh i have nfi how you could run trb in a vps. i don't think it's possible, not really. would be certainly quite the medal of merit on any software that can handle such.
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19:34 asciilifeform you couldn't
19:35 asciilifeform nor have i any notion of why to try
19:38 asciilifeform ( it'll be interesting , however, if i ever actually turn 'nqb' into something like a btctron, to see what it'll run on, with the programmable memory footprint and hard-realtime mechanics.. )
19:39 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i've spent the last couple evenings since ppc thread re-emerged trying to run openbsd 6 on macppc. can't get the bloody machine to recognise cdrom OR usb. open firmware, boot screen, etc nada zilch zip.
19:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: what kind of box was this
19:39 pete_dushenski 2.0ghz dual core with 9600 card. vintage '05 iirc
19:39 pete_dushenski 10.4 installed, 2.5gb ram.
19:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski , trinque , et al : here's a top from asciilifeform's house of horrors : don't bother selective-booting the things. just yank the drive and put what you want on it ~directly~, then put back.
19:40 asciilifeform i don't recall ever installing gentoo, for instance, any other way
19:41 asciilifeform *a tip from
19:41 pete_dushenski myea, that's next step for sure. was trying to configure dual boot for no other reason than that i like the idea of 10.4 in the house. but that's probably a lost cause. there's only so much time to dump into the sinkhole.
19:41 asciilifeform if the box eats reasonably ordinary (e.g. sata) disks, rather than, say, differential scsi (sgi, sun) or archaic ???s (symbolics 36xx, others) -- even easier.
19:42 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: lolwhy
19:42 asciilifeform 10.4 iirc was a bitch
19:42 pete_dushenski nostalgia has no whys
19:42 asciilifeform nostalgia --> os9
19:43 asciilifeform btw maybe pete_dushenski can tell me the seekrit of how to get 'lombard' to eat an ssd.
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19:43 asciilifeform i tried five different ones, incl. compactflash adapters, no dice.
19:43 asciilifeform thing gathers dust nao.
19:44 phf pretty sure it won't, i even read a reason for it, but don't recall what it is anymore
19:44 pete_dushenski powerbook g3 ? thought those were nifty as a kid but i was still on desktops at the time. brief foray into laptopery didn't come until college in 04
19:44 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: yea, them
19:45 asciilifeform phf: interesting, if you ever remember what it was, lemme know plz
19:45 asciilifeform i tried same disk i used (successfully) in 'libretto 100ct', still 0 result.
19:45 asciilifeform standard, you'd think, pata. but nope.
19:45 asciilifeform box won't see it.
19:46 phf "standard"
19:46 mircea_popescu standard pata :D
19:46 mircea_popescu "this is a standard ibm pc at clone"
19:46 asciilifeform hey there was actually a standard.
19:46 mircea_popescu "standard in which way ?" "that's unspecified."
19:46 asciilifeform with timings & all.
19:47 asciilifeform (ssd pata disks work fine in dos boxes, etc)
19:49 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: have you tried https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Legacy_Pro with the lombard ? 'ide/ata design'
19:49 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: not that particular one, no.
19:51 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i don't even see any mention of g3 lappy on the vendor's www
19:52 PeterL asciilifeform: is your gentoo recipe published somewhere? I tried searching the logs, but all I found was an expired dpaste?
19:53 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/powerbook << not listed.
19:53 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha nvm. that owc drive works with pismo
19:53 pete_dushenski not other g3 powerbooks tho
19:53 asciilifeform PeterL: https://archive.is/VA3ov
19:53 asciilifeform PeterL: ^ that's all there ever was to it
19:54 PeterL ok, thanks!
19:54 asciilifeform PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601534 << example kernel config
19:54 a111 Logged on 2017-01-11 18:45 asciilifeform: phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt
19:54 asciilifeform from same.
19:55 phf i ended up running openbsd on that box
19:55 asciilifeform phf: how did that go ?
19:55 * asciilifeform still has a 'libretto' with openbsd
19:56 phf everything just works
19:57 phf i think the only thing i haven't tried yet is the stylus, which doesn't work if you just startx. i vaguely suspect there's a second mouse device i need to wire into the right place..
19:57 asciilifeform incl. x11 emacs sans dbus ?
19:57 asciilifeform ( was where i ran out of stamina )
19:57 asciilifeform phf: the wacom ? it's a 2nd mouse, aha
19:58 phf please refer to yesterday's thread re emacs :D
19:58 mircea_popescu lmao
19:58 asciilifeform lel
19:58 asciilifeform PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-20#1436604 << was even tested!111
19:58 a111 Logged on 2016-03-20 13:54 mircea_popescu: phf> ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed << it does, yes, and it IS a very good and useful thing. almost makes me feel bad when mocking linuxen.
19:58 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 16gb 1.8" sandisk seems to work https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15077-possibly-the-quickest-drive-for-the-powerbook-g3/ perhaps larger capacities too.
19:59 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: on examination it turns out the box is a 'wallstreet'
19:59 asciilifeform not a 'lombard'.
19:59 pete_dushenski lolk
19:59 asciilifeform and i have literally that disk here, in the tray, 0 result.
19:59 pete_dushenski i give up
20:00 asciilifeform tried various cf cards in (mechanical) adapter, also.
20:00 asciilifeform (large, small, == the original disk, all same.)
20:02 asciilifeform oh while phf is awake ! : didja ever get that ivory cpu working ?
20:04 phf oh yeah, i forgot about it. i got distracted because my console is not here with me, so i spent some time setting up xorg/telnet/networking
20:04 asciilifeform aah ok
20:05 phf i'm trying to figure out why genera's x client is crashing openbsd x server. but once i do i'll try the chip
20:05 asciilifeform interesting ^ -- apparently x11 was not as standard as i thought
20:06 phf "standard"
20:06 asciilifeform ( and do i misread, or is phf's setup the reverse of the usual one, where genera is the server, and unix box -- client ? )
20:06 phf you can do it either way, but right now genera is client and unix is server
20:07 phf apparently there's an xserver implementation in genera! so can probably get xterm displayed.
20:07 asciilifeform seems like a way to make a really slow xterminal ?
20:08 phf i'm confused. genera is client, unix is server means that genera is going to display itself in a window on a unix box. (client/server in xorg terminology)
20:09 asciilifeform aaah i was thinking of the traditional, rather than the x11istic, meanings, yes
20:09 asciilifeform 'genera shits x11olade, unix box -- displays to screen and eats keyboard'
20:10 asciilifeform so phf's setup is the usual one then.
20:11 phf yeah, trying to sidestep lack of console
20:11 asciilifeform i always thought this was one of the spiffiest things re the smbx boxes
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20:12 asciilifeform that the console is not really needed
20:12 asciilifeform if i ever make the fpgaized thing, it sure as fuck won't bother trying to drive an lcd or eat keyboard, wtf, just speak x11.
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20:12 asciilifeform (there is, as of yet, nothing resembling a tolerable substitute for x11 protocol, sadly.)
20:13 phf you mean wayland!1
20:13 asciilifeform i've lost track of all of the crackpot 'i can't believe it's not x11!'s.
20:15 phf i think not-transfering-letter-shapes-over-wire is one of the most useful features of protocol. naturally was first one to get subverted
20:15 asciilifeform aha.
20:15 asciilifeform not moving bitmaps when there is any way to avoid it, also.
20:16 asciilifeform ( consider the barbarisms winblowz folx are STILL stuck with, e.g., vnc. )
20:17 asciilifeform incidentally, i wonder if anybody's ever written a vnc worm.
20:17 phf i think the argument was, you can't do aa with ttf unless you're composing client side.
20:18 asciilifeform ( you can easily piss an exe into existence, via vnc, using 'alt codes' , or by getting hold of exploder and pissing in a url to load from, or possibly other ways. similar process in other os with exposed vnctron )
20:18 phf i tried doing that through the citrix client, no dice (back when i was working for a place tha tuses a citrix client)
20:19 asciilifeform do which
20:19 asciilifeform alt codes ?
20:19 phf yeah
20:19 asciilifeform or what, it won't process 'click on exploder and go to such-n-such url' ?
20:21 shinohai http://archive.is/4AQNB "Rising polonium prices and a stagnant economy force Russians to use gravity poisoning to save rubles"
20:22 shinohai I think our friend Preet was prosecuting that case iirc
20:24 asciilifeform phf: i wonder if anybody still makes ye olde xterminals
20:24 asciilifeform physical ones. the kind that run from rom and just look like lcd monitors with keyboard jack and nic.
20:24 asciilifeform connect to whatever, lose all state when unplugged.
20:24 asciilifeform sun, iirc, made one, but that was eons ago.
20:26 phf that would be a nifty project if it didn't just reduce to "raspberry pi"
20:26 asciilifeform not rom neh
20:26 asciilifeform i did say 'rom', not 'flash'.
20:27 phf xorg in fpga..
20:27 asciilifeform every couplea months i do an 'can haz otp rom?' and answer, as always, is 'nope', not at any price, simply not made in past 30 yrs.
20:27 asciilifeform the supposed otp roms you can buy now, are actually eproms without the quartz window.
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20:28 asciilifeform nothx.
20:28 asciilifeform (they don't come in any size bigger than , iirc, 64kB, either.)
20:28 asciilifeform for instance, i wanted to make FUCKGOATS in otp. no dice.
20:28 asciilifeform not gettable.
20:29 asciilifeform not without paying for the fabbing wholesale (at which point you have asic, and can simply have what you want in the asic)
20:29 phf you ask for such things
20:29 phf it's an alt future technoloyg
20:30 asciilifeform i ask, naively, for tech of 30 yrs ago to be available at some price point
20:30 mircea_popescu alt-1980s
20:30 mircea_popescu emulated in 2030
20:30 asciilifeform but nope. it went the way of mircea_popescu's top hat.
20:30 phf speaking of FUCKGOATS, project PITCHFORK? i still can't get over that one
20:31 asciilifeform phf: lulzy, neh.
20:31 mircea_popescu i thought i was just being paranoid.
20:32 asciilifeform (oh imho a future otp rom, if anyone finds himself sitting on a throne, and wants to make one, ought to have not one but TWO fuses per bit. so that nobody can turn a 1 into a 0 later by blowing an unblown fuse. so you'd have 10 -> 1; 01 -> 0; 11 -> dead cell, ergo dead chip; 00 -> blank cell, only found on blank (new) chip.)
20:32 mircea_popescu nothing prevents you from using a normal one this way as it is.
20:33 asciilifeform ideally you'd have the glass window on it, as on an epro, also! but strictly so that you can read it optically.
20:33 asciilifeform *eprom
20:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tru! but won't be pin-compatible with traditional roms
20:33 asciilifeform (for some applications this matters)
20:33 mircea_popescu yeah well.
20:34 asciilifeform 'if i had a ' hamme^H^H^H^H^Hfab, i'd start with very humble things, like... rom.
20:35 mircea_popescu none of it will work until we have the whip to starve the jus' wanting to masses.
20:35 mircea_popescu them of the "Why should i do it right when i could do it easy" church.
20:35 asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu was of the notion that you don't need economy of mass to do si fab.
20:35 mircea_popescu you still need anti-mass.
20:35 asciilifeform how so?
20:36 asciilifeform what's to keep mircea_popescu from building one in his cellar ( supposing he felt like it )
20:36 mircea_popescu ordinary jwz must have no alternatives. otherwise... ordinary jwz will pretend he exists.
20:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mircea_popescu already has.
20:36 asciilifeform can haz few mm^2 of die space, mircea_popescu ?
20:37 mircea_popescu point being -- dorks go around pretending they're doing "end to end encryption". this field must not exist in order for mp's cellar fab to work irl.
20:37 asciilifeform it already does not exist, 'but the squirrels don't know'
20:38 mircea_popescu well squirrels gotta find out.
20:38 asciilifeform ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579090 canonical )
20:38 a111 Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????'
20:38 mircea_popescu that's the rub. not "need one billion". you don't. but you DO need a giant fly swatter to oppress teh masses with.
20:38 asciilifeform faux crypto ain't ever going away, it is like homeopathy, astrology, fills a niche in the poor, the lazy, the intellectually powerless, for 'control'
20:39 mircea_popescu homeopathy, etc are all CONSUMER MARKET PHENOMENA.
20:39 mircea_popescu take the consumer away, all these problems of peon opining are solved.
20:39 asciilifeform iirc no less a man than hitler, supported whole stable of alchemists, quacks.
20:39 asciilifeform dun have to be mass/konsoomer oriented.
20:39 mircea_popescu this is what needs buckling, the centenary trend of turning medieval serfs into modern consumers.
20:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you think hitler was much of a man ?!
20:40 asciilifeform well not garden gnome.
20:40 mircea_popescu srsly now, hitler was a rank imbecile, and in practical terms a major discredit to his country.
20:40 mircea_popescu had germany been led by a sane man, it'd have just maintained a defensive alliance with japan an' argentina. never empowered the idiots, not in italy, not in russia.
20:41 asciilifeform take qin shi huangdi , say. definitely a credit, one of the few credits, to his.
20:41 mircea_popescu stalin without the war would have fallen flat under the weight of his own imbecillity by 1945.
20:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the quack of 5millenia before is not a comparable item in this scope though.
20:41 asciilifeform 'they can stay unfallen under the weight of their imbecility longer than you can stay solvent' or how did it go
20:41 mircea_popescu no way.
20:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tru
20:42 mircea_popescu a sanely managed german "empire" would have outcompeted britain out of the ground by 1950.
20:42 mircea_popescu this way, they had to wait till 2020.
20:42 mircea_popescu hitler cost germany a little over halfd a century.
20:43 mircea_popescu "lebensraum" fucking bs. they could have just colonized argentina. it's larger than fucking europe, and richer.
20:43 mircea_popescu but no, the yhad to go die pointlessly in fucking ukraine, so the italians colonized argentina 20 years later
20:43 mircea_popescu and UTTERLY shat it. this country was in the top 5 in 1920. because of the imperial german trade.
20:43 mircea_popescu now it's ~= chad.
20:44 mircea_popescu but to get back to it : no, hitler didn't have much of a clue, nor were any of his decisions either sound, useful or correct.
20:44 mircea_popescu just a derpy application of "to make a small fortune in X first you start with a large fortune."
20:45 asciilifeform point was that 1 idiot with actual money is ~= 10,000,001 with penny.
20:45 asciilifeform in terms of alchemy impact.
20:45 mircea_popescu i doubt this very much.
20:45 mircea_popescu it is much worse to have a town of 1000 populated by 500 idiots with idiots' tastes and 20 bucks to spend each
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20:45 mircea_popescu than it is to have one idiot with 20k to burn.
20:46 asciilifeform ( and hitler was not even the champ, in his circle. consider the idiot chicken farmer's 'ahnenerbe' for instance. )
20:46 mircea_popescu social effects. the maximal empowerment of rank imbecillity is where there's a lot of imbeciles with a little gas each.
20:47 asciilifeform tru. all of the nonsense of versailles did not destroy euro culture; the 20th c -- did.
20:47 mircea_popescu which is the point of anti-inequality : simply TAKING the empire's money away from "the public" into the hands of the lizards is an improvement in teraforming terms.
20:47 mircea_popescu which is why corruption is the right thing, and anyone "fighting corruption" should be raped and then gutted.
20:47 mircea_popescu collect taxes, let them be stolen by individuals.
20:47 mircea_popescu this is also how capitalism starts.
20:48 asciilifeform this was tested in late su/90s ru. afaik summed to 0.
20:48 mircea_popescu 0 my foot.
20:48 asciilifeform orcs just pour golden toilet, and prop up western 'bank' chumpatron.
20:48 mircea_popescu hruschev had no idea how to get even with the us. check it out that putin humiliated obama.
20:48 mircea_popescu this is not 0, this is 1. THE 1.
20:50 asciilifeform in abstract it sounds entirely tru -- 'gotta get the money out of the hands of the beetle man.' but the actual history is somewhat puzzling -- 'beetle man' su had , e.g., steklov mathematical institute. '90s ru -- cocaine yachts, golden toilets.
20:50 mircea_popescu latter is better than former.
20:51 mircea_popescu you stubbornly measure only the height of the plank, then are surprised at volume differential.
20:51 asciilifeform say why i ought to be interested in anything other than the height of the plank.
20:51 mircea_popescu steklov math man was a 1km long, 1mm x 1mm individual. the cocaine yacht dude was 1m on all sides.
20:51 mircea_popescu the sqmm km long pile is not 1 cubic meter.
20:51 asciilifeform y'know one could build a mass of cockroach 10km on all sides.
20:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because irl volume matters.
20:51 asciilifeform it's what the americans -- did.
20:52 mircea_popescu hey, i know your entire life is dedicated to the proposition that geting 10% better at doing math is worth losing out 50% on salesmanship.
20:52 mircea_popescu this, however, is FALSE.
20:52 asciilifeform hey somebody gotta fall on the grenade, mircea_popescu .
20:52 mircea_popescu yes, "but mp, octopus also has tentacles"
20:52 mircea_popescu sure. problem is 70s ru had nothing but.
20:53 asciilifeform had (surprisingly to some folx) the first 'elbrus', quite competitive with cray1
20:53 mircea_popescu an' romania had felix
20:53 mircea_popescu but none of them had the people with enough fucking sense to get out of the rain.
20:54 mircea_popescu exactly like china today. disciplined followers and local optimizers.
20:54 asciilifeform tru. which is why dead empire, in 'egyptological' museum, and not on the map
20:54 asciilifeform opposite, really, of china.
20:54 mircea_popescu in a sense.
20:55 * asciilifeform brb, playing with pet
20:56 mircea_popescu imo us and su failed exactly the same way : once the message got put out that "don't worry, do your own thing, we got X covered", it died the next day
20:57 mircea_popescu dun matter "we got X covered" is "we're building socialism" or "they failed building socialism"
20:57 mircea_popescu once jwz is possible the place died.
21:09 asciilifeform to briefly revisit upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631333 these suffer charge leakage ( like ordinary flash rom ) ; actual otp -- theoretically good for centuries.
21:09 a111 Logged on 2017-03-23 00:27 asciilifeform: the supposed otp roms you can buy now, are actually eproms without the quartz window.
21:10 asciilifeform ( and quite impervious to radiation )
21:11 asciilifeform which, i suspect, is why they got lizarded away. 'they' don't want cheap radhard cpu, rom.
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22:41 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631203 << Hey, I just replaced coolant hoses on car. Destroyed old leaky plastic "quick connect" fittings with screwdriver since they embrittled to become "always connected". Replaced them with thermoplastic heat shrink clamps.
22:41 a111 Logged on 2017-03-22 23:21 asciilifeform: yea it's a pre-plastic auto.
22:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what's wrong with stainless steel clamps ?
22:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Insufficiently novel. Try to preserve Saturn plasticar's plasticar theme.
22:44 BingoBoingo And the thermoplastic clamps have a very "clean" look to them.
22:48 BingoBoingo On the plus side the cooling system on this vehicle is just about the easiest possible thing to fill. Coolant reservoir is part of pressure system, heatercore is always open, thing is basically self burping.
22:51 asciilifeform !!up doppler
22:51 deedbot doppler voiced for 30 minutes.
22:52 asciilifeform !!rate doppler 1 new blood
22:52 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wZpiD/?raw=true
22:52 asciilifeform !!v 74529CA504C1406823EE4D1EFC7752977E28CF0E4AC4017672D6C40DFAD90E4E
22:52 deedbot asciilifeform rated doppler 1 << new blood
22:56 doppler excellent
22:57 asciilifeform happy wotbirthday doppler .
22:58 asciilifeform now say a bit re who you are ? what brings you here ?
22:59 doppler sure thing
23:00 doppler I was drawn in by the computer-related discussions I have seen from some of the users here
23:00 doppler I guess most notably, asciilifeform
23:00 asciilifeform more specifically ?
23:00 doppler well this is going to sound dumb but
23:00 asciilifeform ( maybe 90% of the material is in some sense 'computer related' lol )
23:01 doppler I think I found your website through some ancient HN post
23:01 doppler I also have connections to some people who work on lisp machine restoration
23:02 asciilifeform do say more
23:03 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform in particular is not esp. interested in 'lisp machine restoration' in the sense of 'old car restoration' hobbyists, but in reverse-engineering )
23:04 doppler haha, well I think there are varying levels in the people I talk with
23:05 doppler I haven't done anything in that regard personally
23:05 doppler but I'm very interested in the topic
23:05 asciilifeform incidentally the real titan of 'bolixology' here is phf , rather than asciilifeform .
23:05 doppler phf knows at least one of the people i know
23:07 doppler I have enjoyed the content that I have read in the logs over some months and watched scroll by as I idled here the past few days
23:07 doppler so really I'm here to learn
23:07 asciilifeform we had a lively thread not long ago, where asciilifeform complains re primary activity of the top bolixologists seems to consist of sitting quietly, dog-in-the-manger-style, on piles of unpublished goodies
23:08 asciilifeform perhaps doppler will break the radio silence and post some docs
23:09 doppler what kinds are you looking for?
23:09 asciilifeform well, starting with the crown jewels , and down :
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23:09 doppler haha
23:10 asciilifeform 1) the NS source for the last 'ivory'.
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23:10 asciilifeform 2) NS itself.
23:10 doppler I wish.
23:10 asciilifeform 3) the uncensored (compl. with low-levels) src for last (8.3 afaik) genera.
23:11 doppler I say I'm here to learn and you hit me with such a request :)
23:11 asciilifeform doppler: learn, learn.
23:11 asciilifeform the 'i know people...' is what prompted the req.
23:11 doppler ah.
23:11 doppler well I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask them
23:12 doppler what are you working on presently?
23:12 asciilifeform entirely unrelated things.
23:12 doppler oh?
23:13 asciilifeform most of it is described, in painful detail, in the logs.
23:13 doppler sounds good
23:14 asciilifeform re 'non-crown' jewels of bolixdom, one example of useful thing that does not publicly exist anywhere -- the mere pinout of the 'ivory'.
23:15 asciilifeform ( it would be possible to build a behavioural test stand for it, if the pinout and timing characteristics were known. theoretically anyone with a 'macivory' and some spare time, could come up with these. )
23:16 doppler hmm, i see
23:16 asciilifeform for some odd reason, not a single one of the folks who bought these relics, has seen it fit to do this work.
23:16 asciilifeform or even to take and post a high-resolution photo of the thing.
23:17 doppler it seems that many are caught up in the 'collection' aspect, maybe
23:17 asciilifeform it is almost as if they did not want their 3-10k $ investments to turn into the equivalent of old nintendo.
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23:17 asciilifeform which any idiot can emulate.
23:17 doppler yeah
23:17 asciilifeform however that is precisely what i'm interested in.
23:18 asciilifeform making their investments -- worth ~$ 0.
23:25 asciilifeform the unfortunate bit is that we'll never get the ~people~ who built that thing, back.
23:25 asciilifeform i know for a fact that some of them -- are dead.
23:25 asciilifeform others -- long past the end of their intellectual working lives.
23:25 asciilifeform we could, however, get the ~artifact~ back. in theory.
23:26 asciilifeform ( and -- possibly -- some of the insider working notes. )
23:26 doppler that part is sad, yes
23:26 asciilifeform the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact.
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23:27 doppler how much of the remaining equipment do you think is still "undiscovered"?
23:27 doppler ie. owned by people or parties that do not know the value of it
23:27 asciilifeform the equipment is not the issue, it is all available, for a price
23:27 asciilifeform the sources/schematics/etc. are the issue.
23:28 doppler might there be documentation along with the machines?
23:28 asciilifeform i have 100% of the published documentation here.
23:28 asciilifeform it fill a book case.
23:28 asciilifeform *fills
23:28 asciilifeform ( most of it is also on www )
23:28 doppler I see.
23:28 asciilifeform the published documentation is of 0 use in cloning the machine.
23:28 asciilifeform ( quite deliberately )
23:29 asciilifeform symbolics -- also quite deliberately -- never even printed an honest instruction set reference, for any of the machines.
23:30 doppler I do see why that would be to their advantage
23:31 asciilifeform it wasn't an outrageous / illogical / atrocious thing to do. smbx was a fabless chip maker which competed directly with, among others, TI ('explorer' lispm)
23:31 doppler right.
23:33 asciilifeform the result, however, is that the ~singularly~ most interesting comp from 1980s -- is ~entirely lost .
23:39 asciilifeform the old iron, doppler , is not -- contrary to the delusions of 'collectors' -- interesting per se. the ~software~ was not even interesting per se -- it was a tall pile of stinking mit hacks. the CONCEPTS, however, as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , WERE interesting.
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23:39 asciilifeform and ergo the software, to the extent it embodied these concepts -- which was quite large -- is interesting;
23:40 asciilifeform and the iron -- is also of interest, in so far as it made the soft -- possible.
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