#trilema | 2017-11-09

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00:00	mircea_popescu	anyway. mildly amusing that in 2017 rando still don quixoting with the same windmills as in 2014. who knows, maybe if he wastes his ENTIRE life at this, "how he thinks normal debates work" will matter.
00:01	mircea_popescu	anything but suck the cock of your betters, it is teh modernity after all, french revolution relevant 4evar!!1
00:04	mircea_popescu	and in other "god fucking damn it", i used coffee grinder to grind down some clavo de olor, which was so fucking juicy and fresh it ACTUALLY DISSOLVED the god damned plastic.
00:05	mircea_popescu	ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.
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00:18	BingoBoingo	lol @ USG says WAT
00:18	BingoBoingo	cry @ poor grinder, hardly knewer
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00:34	BingoBoingo	Lafond on StreetPreets http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9462
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05:02	davout	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734898 <<< housing looks like a nightmare there
05:02	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 02:18 trinque: girl and I are looking seriously at singapore
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08:41	shinohai	This whole US/Cuba row over the "sonic wavez" thing gets more ridiculous by the day: http://archive.is/Xhr6w
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09:18	mircea_popescu	!!up concernedscaling
09:18	deedbot	concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.
09:18	mircea_popescu	shinohai did it come alive at night and fuck their wife ?
09:18	shinohai	Likely, so "we gotta make sure and ban you 'muricans from these 80 hotels, just to be sure"
09:18	shinohai	poppycock
09:22	mircea_popescu	sooo obama lifted all-cuba ban, to be enforced instead on a hotel-by-hotel basis ?
09:23	mircea_popescu	i can almost see the local charge d'affaires, "if you don't get taller hookers ima have your hotel del ray added to index!"
09:26	concernedscaling	Hi everyone. I'm trying to make sense of all this scale talk and I want to keep my BTC safe. My first mistake is probably getting information from twitter and redditard. We have Dr Craig W going on (and quite convincing) about BCash being the real bitcoin as it is able to scale like satoshis vision. However, this makes no sense to me considerin
09:26	concernedscaling	g it was a fork (it's like Litecoin in my mind, which "scales" as well). But even more concerning is Bitcoin with segwit, and my current BTC on this upgraded protocol. I have not seen much talk about these issues in here lately, is there a reason for this? It seems like most are underestimating the threat of this fake bcash and segwit.
09:26	mircea_popescu	maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734288
09:26	a111	Logged on 2017-11-08 17:30 davout: so apparently the segwit2x derps finally yielded https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-November/000685.html
09:32	davout	concernedscaling: i don't think there's much to be said about this whole "issue" that wasn't said in 2014/2015
09:33	mircea_popescu	the stubborn insistence of the "reading public" to read old newspapers is very much the chief ideological point of the journalist "profession", as it keeps them in print.
09:33	mircea_popescu	to not read*
09:34	concernedscaling	Thanks. I guess I am just trying to make sense of all of this, and couldnt find it in the logs. Instead of bcash forking from bitcoin, what was stopping them from just mining and rejecting segwit transactions on the the real BTC?
09:34	concernedscaling	doesn't this make way more sense?
09:34	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling do you know what happens when you divide by 0 ?
09:36	concernedscaling	tsunamis
09:36	mircea_popescu	hm. problem might have been larger than originally thought.
09:37	concernedscaling	I mean, it is undefined
09:37	concernedscaling	Why is this relevant?
09:37	mircea_popescu	right. so this is also the problem here : you keep trying to make sense of the situation left after a division by 0.
09:38	mircea_popescu	you see some labels, and take out your chinese set, and lay out the pawns, these red ones to label1, these blue ones to label2 etcetera
09:38	mircea_popescu	this is not the real situation. bitcoin exists. "bitcoin cahs" DOES NOT EXIST. the various people that talk about things similarily do not exist.
09:39	concernedscaling	Ok, does Segwit exist?
09:40	mircea_popescu	you're probably too young to remember max keiser, and his amusing "expertises" in bitcoin years ago ; nevertheless a good helping of http://trilema.com/2017/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale/#footnote_25_75738 woul;d probably help.
09:40	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling it does not.
09:40	concernedscaling	At what point can the real bitcoin continue to mutate until something bad happens
09:40	mircea_popescu	mutate ?
09:40	concernedscaling	Segwit is on the real bitcoin, no?
09:40	concernedscaling	seems like a mutation is occurring
09:41	mircea_popescu	you ever seen one of those old toyota trucks people deleted bits off so they read YO ?
09:41	mircea_popescu	has toyota "mutated" or wtf is the argument here. aftermarket modifications are marginal by their fucking definition. the people involved wouldn't be involved otherwise.
09:42	mircea_popescu	conceivably someone somewhere modified his bitcoin client to read "Hakked by CooLbOy" and recompiled. this is mutation now ?
09:44	concernedscaling	haha, I see. I do remember max keiser, and I see him still very involved in the bitcoin scene to this day
09:44	mircea_popescu	yes, in the strictest of senses, the obscure masturbatory activities of desocialized youths "exist". but they do not socially exist, and for a very good reason : they're asocial to begin with.
09:44	concernedscaling	He even resorts to scam pumping of dash
09:45	mircea_popescu	there's more scene than there's audience chairs, see.
09:45	mircea_popescu	old will was right, "the world's a stage". what he omitted to point out is that the hall only goes a yard whereas the stage goes on for miles. out of the building, and into the mists.
09:49	shinohai	!!up concernedscaling
09:49	deedbot	concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.
09:50	davout	concernedscaling: relevant -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxzssDcUAAAP2PF.jpg
09:50	concernedscaling	Thanks, I will try and not get caught up in the shit that doesnt really matter
09:51	shinohai	lol davout .... saved!
09:51	mircea_popescu	lol notbad. who's the author ?
09:52	davout	nfi
09:53	concernedscaling	if that is his twitter handle, his name is Ben Halpern
09:53	concernedscaling	Creator/founder/webmaster of https://dev.to (@ThePracticalDev). Mount Allison grad, coder, buddhist, feminist, Batman.
09:54	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling so invite him over.
09:54	mircea_popescu	what's this, like another digg/reddit ?
09:54	concernedscaling	twitter? yeah something like that
09:55	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling why not make yourself a pgp key and reg with deedbot at that ?
09:56	concernedscaling	a cesspool of ideas and spam, just a tool for controlling people. The fighting about core vs bcash vs seg2x vs miners vs blahblah is entertaining. Sad that I need to take part to see how the market reacts
09:57	mircea_popescu	why specifically do you care ?
09:58	concernedscaling	I don't want to underestimate the dumb money being thrown around. I dont want all of these idiot users to crash my BTC holdings because some fake satoshi is spewing political nonsense on redditard/twitter to control people.
09:59	mircea_popescu	throwing money around rarely crashes anything.
09:59	shinohai	concernedscaling: Have you read http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ ?
09:59	shinohai	Still relevant
09:59	mircea_popescu	we are talking of fiatola here, after all.
10:00	concernedscaling	Yes, I have read that a few times
10:01	concernedscaling	"Moreover, my budget to sink this scam exceeds the budget of everyone involved on the supporting side"
10:01	concernedscaling	can you sink it already?
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10:01	mircea_popescu	there have been a lot of these pies in the sky to be concerned about to date, huh.
10:02	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling for my curiosity, if you were to calculate the total hours you spent with " I need to take part to see how the market reacts" to date, what'd it come to ?
10:02	concernedscaling	yeah, can't sink them all as they will just keep coming
10:04	concernedscaling	You know, it's actually pretty strange. I just buy and hold, but given the substantial amount of money, I rely on being current with the bullshit going on, because I chose to not underestimate the power of the idiots and how much harm it can do
10:04	davout	"sinking fake bitcoins" actually yields more bitcoins to further sink other fake bitcoins
10:04	concernedscaling	But, I don't even trade
10:04	mircea_popescu	ok, but put out a figure. how many man hours does the concern take a year ?
10:04	concernedscaling	maybe ~730 hours
10:05	mircea_popescu	so since 2014 let's say, since you recall keyser, we could say you spent about 2k hours, or a full year's workhours, on this.
10:05	mircea_popescu	how many hours did you spend building a bitcoin something ?
10:05	concernedscaling	0
10:05	mircea_popescu	like, a logotron is maybe a day's work to stand up and then maybe a hour monthly to maintain and such.
10:06	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling well... i'd say you have good cause to be concerned then.
10:06	mircea_popescu	why not split work and axiety more evenly ? 100% to anxiety seems a poor strategy.
10:07	concernedscaling	That is probably a very good idea
10:08	mircea_popescu	you're welcome.
10:09	shinohai	Navigating to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html and building that would be a far, far better use of one's time as well.
10:10	shinohai	!!up Guest44578
10:10	deedbot	Guest44578 voiced for 30 minutes.
10:12	concernedscaling	Thanks, havent seen this idiot proof how to guide
10:12	concernedscaling	will try and get TRB node going later
10:13	shinohai	If you need any help or get stuck, ping me or sing out here in chan. Someone will be happy to assist.
10:13	concernedscaling	will try and get a key going too
10:13	concernedscaling	If it so profitable to kill scams, why do so many exist?
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10:47	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735055 << this was the umpteenth 'i am beset with ants! and i heard you have an anteater here' wasnnit.
10:47	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 15:01 concernedscaling: can you sink it already?
10:47	asciilifeform	'why dontcha stop sitting on anthill' 'wat' 'aha, get off the anthill' 'that's not possible, everywhere is anthill' etc
10:49	shinohai	But how else will I know what the ants are doing?
11:02	mircea_popescu	concernedscaling the generator is ambitious idiots. they don't "feel" their current social station is befitting for one such as them ; but they ALSO don't "feel" like they should have to do what has to be done.
11:03	mircea_popescu	from this search of "the easier way" by people stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the workable from the unworkable, the scam ever emerges.
11:03	mircea_popescu	in any population the majority will be insufficient, and therefore readily converge towards somesuch nonsense.
11:04	mircea_popescu	so basically speaking, for as long as the women will keep getting pregnant the schoolteachers will still have work to do.
11:14	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734987 << swiss plastic rubbish aint what it used to be, eh
11:14	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 05:05 mircea_popescu: ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.
11:14	mircea_popescu	every plastic will be solluble in something
11:14	mircea_popescu	it's the definition of plastic.
11:15	asciilifeform	what's teflon soluble in ?
11:16	mircea_popescu	i dunno, dmf ?
11:16	asciilifeform	afaik at stp in nuffin
11:17	mircea_popescu	i suppose. so how does it polymerizwe then ?
11:17	asciilifeform	iirc heat/pressure.
11:17	mircea_popescu	o wow look at that, it's actually done ~in emulsion~. i had nfi.
11:18	mircea_popescu	i'll stand by it : this then means that teflon is only marginally at best a plastic.
11:18	asciilifeform	it's a fluoroplastic ( the su unbranding of it, naturally )
11:18	mircea_popescu	apparently it can be formulated so as to dissolve in dmf/dma etc
11:19	asciilifeform	there are other fluoroplastics , that are easier to work / other desirable parameters tweaked
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11:20	mircea_popescu	not sure i want teflonated coffee grinder tbh.
11:20	mircea_popescu	now, it';d be nice if you could buy BRONZE interior. not fucking electrolysed, but SOLID. nevertheless, it is apparently usg-forbidden to use actual materials.
11:21	asciilifeform	why not teflon ? your grinder goes over 260C ?
11:21	mircea_popescu	let the dumps contain 1000 plastic re-instantiations of the same god damned object, what if i could afford to pay 3x the price and leave it to my grandkids.
11:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform locally, i expect it does. high speed granules etc.
11:21	asciilifeform	possib
11:21	mircea_popescu	wtf is wrong with a chunk of fucking bronze, 100 grams or so, for the inner housing.
11:21	asciilifeform	bronze has one possible headache : very often has pb added ( for machineability )
11:21	mircea_popescu	so make special kitchen alloy.
11:22	asciilifeform	oh hey didn't mircea_popescu at one time have a bronze mortar ?
11:22	mircea_popescu	reason i even know "cuisinart" is that they used to make metal tools. except stopped.
11:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i also have marble ones.
11:22	mircea_popescu	and granite and etc.
11:22	asciilifeform	so can haz kitchen bronze, then.
11:23	asciilifeform	surgical steel would also work
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11:23	mircea_popescu	it's what they used to do.
11:24	asciilifeform	incidentally why ground the thing in coffee grinder, vs blender ( with the glass bulb ) ?
11:24	asciilifeform	needs fine powder ?
11:24	mircea_popescu	was the idea.
11:24	mircea_popescu	needs fine powder and too juicy to grind well in mortar so give it a shot.
11:25	asciilifeform	prolly would work if you dessicated it 1st
11:25	asciilifeform	( or is the juice necessary )
11:25	shinohai	I have one of these, best one I have ever bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A6CP1HI/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1
11:25	mircea_popescu	yes, but general solution for this (salt) not usable. and i don't eat enough sugar for that alternative + i don't eat the white hygroscopic kind
11:25	asciilifeform	not salt
11:26	asciilifeform	vacuum dessicator.
11:26	mircea_popescu	so wait, i got really good clovges and ima put them into a "make-them-like-the-walmart-ones" tool ?
11:26	mircea_popescu	shinohai nice, steel and ceramic.
11:27	shinohai	Yeah, 0 plastic parts. Had the thing like 5 years now
11:27	asciilifeform	oh hm if need to pulverize with juice still in, can try freezing
11:27	asciilifeform	this was described in the altschuller b00k
11:27	mircea_popescu	pretty cool. and evidently making it right doesn't make it more expensive, 25 bux is what all cost.
11:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform didn't think of it. actually, had 0 expectation i'd end up with a dissolved-and-recombined surface of the inside of the thing, from smooth to matte.
11:28	asciilifeform	shinohai: they had exactly like this grinder in the timis 'museum of communist konsoomer'
11:28	mircea_popescu	the sadness of "modern technology" is that it fails miserably at things that aren't THAT technologically advanced.
11:29	mircea_popescu	takes a lot of effort to reproduce today the kitchen of 1880 middle class polish housewife.
11:29	asciilifeform	the 1880s housewife didn't insist on existing in 1e9 copies.
11:29	mircea_popescu	her husband did.
11:30	shinohai	asciilifeform: perfect for that bourgeois blend
11:30	mircea_popescu	what good catholic didn't have a dozen kids then.
11:30	asciilifeform	they also had proper wars.
11:30	mircea_popescu	notrly the poles. more like proper reamings.
11:31	asciilifeform	fact being, the tub had a drain then. today, faucet still runs, but no drain.
11:31	mircea_popescu	the tub has no drain an' erryone looks pretty drained.
11:32	asciilifeform	( phunphakt : in plebeland usa, it is not wholly unheard of for folx to live for weeks or months in a house without working drains. shit in buckets, dishes turn green, etc )
11:33	mircea_popescu	the joys of overcrowding.
11:33	ben_vulpes	i've been using https://www.amazon.com/bodum-antigua-electric-grinder-black/dp/b000vm08uo for at least a decade now
11:33	asciilifeform	the joys of 'spend every penny you make, and owe maxint'
11:34	mircea_popescu	that's the counter-counter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733641 : it is impossible to clog drain here.
11:34	a111	Logged on 2017-11-07 20:08 asciilifeform: it has up side, and down ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706555 )
11:34	asciilifeform	lolwhy, the drain is a hole in the galleon's captain's cabin, hangs over the sea ?
11:34	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes is that polycarbonate ?
11:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform drain does 100m drop over a mile, calculate the force a column of water puts upon it, obtain higher value than kitchen garbage disposal unit applies
11:35	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: that looks like a starbuckstron. which i always suspected has a part in explaining why their swill tastes like burned plastic
11:35	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: most clogs happen metre or two from the arse
11:36	mircea_popescu	not the kind that turn dishes green, i'd have imagined ?
11:36	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: housing, yeah
11:36	mircea_popescu	if this is true, why not just fix
11:36	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because unless you know how with own hands, 'fix' is 500-800bux
11:36	mircea_popescu	so buy a snake, big whoop. 20 bux at BingoBoingo 's store.
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11:36	asciilifeform	ikr ?
11:36	asciilifeform	but you also gotta be able and willing to lift the throne ( old houses in usa have no cleanplug ) etc.
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11:37	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: the burrs are steel in mine
11:38	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu earlier suggested , 'boltzmann distrib' of coffee speck velocities, almost certainly has high end that grinds pieces of your vessel into the output
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11:38	mircea_popescu	https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-Fresh-Grind-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B005EPRFKO << the dead item, since we're doing this.
11:38	mircea_popescu	of course, inexplicably it's all written in french, "pour usage domestique" etc.
11:38	asciilifeform	ahahahahahaha i have that one
11:38	mircea_popescu	scams everywhere! "made in chine"
11:38	asciilifeform	but i haven't tried grinding wet ginsung or whatnot
11:39	ben_vulpes	ah well yeah, especially the bladed models are going to produce lots of high velocity particles
11:39	ben_vulpes	a burr grinder has nested conical grinding faces; spacing between which controls ground finenes
11:39	ben_vulpes	also, blade pulverizes, burr shears. better extraction with the latter method.
11:39	ben_vulpes	also vastly lower velocity.
11:40	asciilifeform	why not take to logical conclusion, and use millstones
11:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually "short" snake is flexible enough to go through toilet water trap deliberately for this reason.
11:40	ben_vulpes	why, when the burr grinder is an excellent solution
11:40	mircea_popescu	he has a point, i hadn't thought of that. exactly like pepper mill, have two cones in each other, adjustable distance.
11:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have that type of snake.
11:41	ben_vulpes	also burr grinder does not cook the coffee while grinding it, ever notice how the bladed model leaves the grounds...warm?
11:41	asciilifeform	it's a good first-line.
11:41	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes yep, yours is teh correct solution.
11:41	asciilifeform	not really physically possible to grind without heating
11:42	ben_vulpes	not really possible to exist without producing waste heat either
11:42	mircea_popescu	but it is possible to use a cone plane instead of a 1dimensional blade
11:42	asciilifeform	tru
11:42	mircea_popescu	ima get a cone grinder. nfi why i don't have one.
11:42	ben_vulpes	but what, give up, sacrifice all efficiency because there's always more gas down the road?
11:42	mircea_popescu	in retrospect seems a lot like not having a knife, "cutting bread on this veg peeler is so hard"
11:42	ben_vulpes	or maybe just maybe have a care for the final product and take minimal steps to minimize pre-cooking out of volatiles
11:43	asciilifeform	oh hm these look interesting, ben_vulpes , sorta like jet compressor
11:43	mircea_popescu	precisely.
11:43	asciilifeform	high-tech.
11:43	mircea_popescu	no dude, "having gone to school" tech as opposed to "i heard on youtube" tech
11:44	asciilifeform	i mean, the thing looks multiaxis-machined
11:44	mircea_popescu	ah
11:44	ben_vulpes	"i don't know much, but i paid attention in materials and machine design while everyone else was browsing facebook and copying homework out of the solution guide"
11:44	asciilifeform	kommunist konsoomer did not have'em.
11:45	mircea_popescu	communist consumer might have not been the end-all be-all, i find myself sometimes suspecting.
11:45	asciilifeform	lol
11:45	mircea_popescu	strangely there seem to be some extant records where he himself thinks the same!
11:45	asciilifeform	speaking of, asciilifeform learned that folx in guangdong will laser-decap ICs for fiddybux/ea.
11:46	mircea_popescu	that's pretty good.
11:46	asciilifeform	ikr?
11:46	mircea_popescu	ea or ea layer ?
11:47	asciilifeform	my item has 1 metal layer, so i didn't ask. but i'd expect moar layers, cost extra.
11:47	mircea_popescu	otherwise it'd be pretty scary.
11:47	asciilifeform	mailing it back an' forth per layer, would be annoying
11:47	asciilifeform	if yer thing is multilayered you'd ideally have the microscopy done in same house.
11:48	mircea_popescu	scary enough as it is, the hopes of the us as to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722633 are entirely spurious. teh chinese have long reversed all us military chips.
11:48	a111	Logged on 2017-10-08 14:18 mircea_popescu: " The Saudis will not be able to link the S-400 with Saudis current (US and Europe-sourced) infrastructure, nor will they be able to connect the S-400 with US systems." << says who the everloving fuck.
11:48	mircea_popescu	~only reason the saudis even bought the crap in the first place.
11:48	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ofcourse.
11:48	asciilifeform	idk that usg any longer even uses items not of chinese make to begin with
11:49	mircea_popescu	the rocketry chips are made in like vermont at considerable expense
11:49	asciilifeform	at least in 1980s they were. nfi re nao.
11:49	mircea_popescu	80s iirc east coast.
11:50	asciilifeform	half the reason for the ultra-dense vlsi thing , i suspect, is to make reversing a headache
11:50	asciilifeform	( rather than 'performance' or whatever nonsense )
11:51	mircea_popescu	myeah
11:51	asciilifeform	also gotta distinguish b/w the 2 types of reversing ( did we have thread ? ) -- sov-style clone is CONSIDERABLY easier than proper logical reverse
11:51	mircea_popescu	performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.
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11:51	asciilifeform	in the 'logical' sense , original z80 was only ~recently~ publicly reversed
11:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the chinese have teh manpower to do it, if organized.
11:52	asciilifeform	i'd expect. the trick is that almost no one has ever any reason.
11:52	asciilifeform	usually what is wanted is -- cheap local clone.
11:52	mircea_popescu	national state aspirations.
11:52	mircea_popescu	and in other adult women, http://78.media.tumblr.com/a27554aac9813b9b1975fef271f3a33e/tumblr_nl7z3wYWjR1tenemio1_1280.jpg
11:54	asciilifeform	( in almost every case i can think of, 'design from 0' is cheaper than 'logical reverse'. so the latter is ~only done when you are specifically looking for weaknesses or otherwise items present only in the original , vs the spec )
11:54	mircea_popescu	incidentally, it occurs to me, euroZONE is the perfect word for it, isn't it ?
11:54	mircea_popescu	finally, the zone.
11:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they ARE looking for weaknesses. there's a reason usg lost south china sea.
11:54	asciilifeform	большая зона (tm)(r)
11:54	mircea_popescu	euroзона. perfect.
11:55	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i thought it 'lost' because noballs ( rather than rockets-not-rockety-enuff )
11:55	*	mircea_popescu will use this henceforth to distinguish the item from europe.
11:55	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so let me get this straight : you think beta loves his cock cage because "no balls", and NOT because "small cock" ? these are somehow different ?
11:56	mircea_popescu	they had plenty of balls in 1990, if memory serves. even bombed belgrade.
11:56	asciilifeform	dun need balls to bomb ~defenseless orcs
11:56	mircea_popescu	so the balls and the penis are related ? i thought so!
11:57	mircea_popescu	they've no balls cuz they've no penis and vice versa, and ultimately because no testosterone so every bit of soy sauce they pick up from environment makes the titties sag a little hurtlier.
12:00	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735222 << returning briefly upstack, there's a 'seekrit' bit of hilarity : usg actually moving away from old, classic 'z80-style' dies, and into 'let's have modern density, so we can run javaturds, let ibm make 'space-grade' ppc , etc -- but that's ok, we'll use 8 in tandem '
12:00	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:51 mircea_popescu: performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.
12:00	asciilifeform	asciilifeform discovered this when digging in recent ada lit
12:00	mircea_popescu	kinda why the chinese have to take them apart.
12:01	mircea_popescu	noyhing better than a door protected by 8 flawed locks.
12:01	asciilifeform	hence the recent interest in 'what happens to crypto when single-event fault' etc
12:02	asciilifeform	( if your cryptotron ~branches~ -- potentially very interesting things happen )
12:02	mircea_popescu	would matter a lot more if the us actually used crypto.
12:03	asciilifeform	they use plenty of 'crypto'
12:04	mircea_popescu	somehow crypto discipline is impossible for military staffs. except for the okw, everyone has trouble with it, be the soviets talking to sub base or the ustards talking totheir "socialites" or w/e they call the tired old bags.
12:04	mircea_popescu	i have nfi why or wherefore, it's about as counterintuitive as the coy behaviour in females.
12:09	asciilifeform	senile old brezhnevs insisting on using plain vs crypto pnoje , yes. tho i was thinking of crypto in weapons systems and other unattended 'get magic packet, detonate' items.
12:10	mircea_popescu	to explain ourselves : the coy behaviour is defined as the spurious pretense of sexual disinterest put forth by a universally-interested machine ; and it is counterproductive because while it does in fact increase (somewhat) the success with above-average value partners, it entirely ruins any perpsective of success with the highest value partners. that this may (arguable, and i doubt it) sum to positive over a larege populati
12:10	mircea_popescu	on fails to overshadow the fact that individually speaking if you're going to sink nine months of blood + three of fat into the project, you totally fucking want the very very best available.
12:11	asciilifeform	( in the 'detonate' case, it isn't clear what enemy gets from reversing your die if you used correctly-built publickeytronics )
12:11	mircea_popescu	now, the generals are similar : for the benefit of "oh, it's directly readable" they lose out on the all-important, paramount consideration, "but not by the enemmy"
12:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i suspect the logical conclusion would be to say old men revert into dysfunctional womanhood.
12:11	asciilifeform	this is ancient observation
12:11	asciilifeform	incl. in old trilema
12:11	mircea_popescu	i guess it is, at that.
12:12	mircea_popescu	"sack all o10 and over that no longer have a supermodel mistress"
12:13	mircea_popescu	it's inexplicable, to me at least, how virility is not part of the army qualifying list, btw. "this dude does not look hot naked and therefore can no longer be an army general. retired." seems perfectly mandatory for a fucking army.
12:15	asciilifeform	sadly the head gives out 1st.
12:15	mircea_popescu	it's a crapshot. sometimes, last. sometimes, first.
12:15	asciilifeform	( and in many of these 'great leaders' , head was not the strongest organ to begin with )
12:16	mircea_popescu	well... military men. it's like a profession. if your tax accountant sucks at go that doesn't necessarily disqualify him from his line of work.
12:29	*	asciilifeform digs, but fails to find link , re incident where jp attaches taught go to the german general staff, and they actually played, until the house with the boards was destroyed in bombing raid
12:30	asciilifeform	there was even some interest in usa, 'learn the game that built the strategy of the enemy!11' lulz
12:32	ben_vulpes	at least in usg, "fighting readiness" is both sexist and racist
12:33	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack
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12:33	asciilifeform	modern general sits, wizened lbj, in bunker.
12:34	ben_vulpes	modern infantryman sits, pimply snowden, driving 'big dog' from same
12:34	asciilifeform	this'd be so if the army in the colour brochures were the actual usg army
12:34	asciilifeform	as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'
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12:34	asciilifeform	the fancy hardware that exists, is largely circa 1980s.
12:36	asciilifeform	actually very closely resembles nazi army . yes, somewhere there is dr von braun with wunderwaffen. but mostly it's d00dz with old rifles.
12:36	ben_vulpes	predator and phriendz seem to work fine, so long as nobody's spoofing gps
12:37	ben_vulpes	but yes, this is 'leaking oil'
12:37	asciilifeform	worx great against defenseless camels.
12:38	asciilifeform	( 1940s-era propeller fighters also would. but these cost moar money, and you gotta train somebody to fly, etc )
12:39	asciilifeform	!!up ang-st
12:39	ben_vulpes	!!up ang-st
12:39	deedbot	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
12:39	deedbot	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
12:39	ben_vulpes	who are you and what brings you by, ang-st ?
12:39	ang-st	hi ben_vulpes
12:40	ang-st	a random conversation in the internet
12:40	asciilifeform	such detail
12:40	ang-st	so i thought i might idle for a while, see what's going on
12:40	asciilifeform	ang-st: how about link to the 'random conversation' ?
12:41	ang-st	wow many question
12:41	ben_vulpes	ang-st: there are logs at http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema and btcbase.org/logs for the idling
12:42	ang-st	ok i prefer grep than talking so, it will be fine
12:42	ben_vulpes	ang-st: logs have historical grep
12:42	ben_vulpes	in other "random conversations": https://mechanicalmarkets.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/bitcoin-nemo-dat/
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12:43	ang-st	i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout
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12:43	ben_vulpes	ang-st: link?
12:43	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: mind-boggling, neh , 'i'm gonna idle for some entirely randomly selected several hours' 'why not read multi-year log' 'what's a log'
12:44	ang-st	ben_vulpes: you're not on that channel and i guess it's priv8
12:44	ben_vulpes	ang-st: you guess? based on...?
12:44	ben_vulpes	eyy davout what is this character going on about
12:44	ang-st	the "coutume" there ?
12:45	ben_vulpes	top seekrit irc channels omg how speshul
12:45	ang-st	who said irc ?
12:46	ben_vulpes	oh its some shambling modern browser monstrosity?
12:46	asciilifeform	'if you’re worried you possess stolen coins and want to sell them, you may want to consult a lawyer first. The National Stolen Property Act could apply to intangible goods' << lol!!
12:46	ang-st	ben_vulpes: worse
12:46	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: pretty amusing yeah?
12:46	ang-st	kind of electon based client
12:46	ben_vulpes	ang-st: kinda exactly what i just said
12:46	asciilifeform	'National Give Us Everything Or Heavenly Legions Shall Smite You Act' next.
12:47	ben_vulpes	what, you think electron isn't fifteen packaged browsers?
12:47	shinohai	lulzy asciilifeform
12:47	ang-st	fitfteen .... juste one chromium
12:47	ben_vulpes	ang-st: the other day i observed 'slack' fail to inline a 7.4 meg gif because its authors are who they are
12:48	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: inline ?
12:48	ben_vulpes	ang-st: per "slack group", ofc
12:48	ang-st	you can problaly fail it in many way
12:48	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: where they show an image in the chat based on its link
12:48	ang-st	even get a bounty if you're that kind of guy :)
12:48	ben_vulpes	you know, the sort of thing that web pages do normally, but that js idiots can't figure out how to do
12:49	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: iirc thing has 'chrome' internally, so displaying a 8M gif prolly eats 8G
12:49	ang-st	you can have also perfect asshole in C
12:49	ben_vulpes	> because its authors are who they are
12:49	ang-st	i was about to says rust :)
12:49	ben_vulpes	gotta say, i've never seen the perfect asshole
12:50	asciilifeform	ang-st: asshole in C << koch, drepper, et al. but they're old and they ain't making more, for some reason.
12:51	ang-st	asciilifeform: i think you can grab a bunch that are pretty active
12:51	ben_vulpes	ang-st: anyways, the way this place works is that you register a gpg key with deedbot, and then maybe someone gives you provisional membership in the list of folks that can give themselves speaking privileges
12:52	ben_vulpes	good idea to do that sooner rather than later; provisional ratings are easy to come by for the newcomer who registers quickly, less so for the obstinate/self-important
12:53	ang-st	will rtfm the stuff
12:57	ben_vulpes	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733631 << it occurred to me that the fortification model is entirely unsuited for war against the megastate. correct approach here is "we can deliver munitions anywhere within $city, even to a mobile individual."
12:57	a111	Logged on 2017-11-07 20:01 asciilifeform: observe, the problem dun exist if you already have your own pyongyang and can happily put a megawatt station there and invite whoever objects, to pound sand up his arse
12:58	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: sorta was the impetus for asciilifeform's entire q -- can haz transoceanic radio that scales down to, e.g., suitcase
12:58	ben_vulpes	"and for as long as your citizens run free 802.* rebroadcasters, we're going to be utterly uninterdictable"
12:59	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i absolutely understand
13:00	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735271 << a general is a staff position, he sits on hill next to artillery not charges with cavalry. that's colonel at most.
13:00	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack
13:01	asciilifeform	bbut napoleon!11
13:01	mircea_popescu	but physically decrepit general, especially when no good disease excuse, is kinda like gouty priest. evidently -- not doing his job.
13:02	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735275 << hey, they traded in the frigates for "litteral completely sunk"s, somehow missing entirely the sad irony of blue-sea-unworthy frigate.
13:02	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:34 asciilifeform: as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'
13:08	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735297 << ah, are you the dev.to guy ?
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13:08	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:43 ang-st: i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout
13:09	ang-st	!!register http://vmpg.tetaneutral.net/keys.asc
13:09	deedbot	F6859D5B0BD80C6F8B19A07DD64423DB580E6CFB registered as ang-st.
13:10	mircea_popescu	!!up ang-st
13:10	deedbot	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.
13:10	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735296 << studiously ignored the "nobody holds any title to any bitcoin" portions of http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.311 final and dispositive ruling on the matter.
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13:10	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:42 ben_vulpes: in other "random conversations": https://mechanicalmarkets.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/bitcoin-nemo-dat/
13:11	mircea_popescu	but yes, one'd fully expect pretend-sovereigns of the fiat ilk to arbitrarily assign themselves title in bitcoin. why the hell not, they've assinged themselves "representativity" of "society" and "justice" and "the environment" and so forth.
13:12	asciilifeform	if 'all land belongs to the crown', and 'sea belongs', and 'radio spectrum belongs', etc. why not also bitcoin.
13:12	asciilifeform	moon, stars.
13:13	mircea_popescu	if all the "here's the usg-bitcoin, accept it in exchange" doesn't work as it hasn't with ripple/ethereum/bitcoin-core/crash/whatever, the only remaining avenue is the idly papal claim to "all the bitcoins".
13:13	mircea_popescu	of course, the original pope trying for this ended up going around barefoot in the snow to beg forgiveness.
13:13	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: lol see comments
13:14	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes ah lol.
13:14	asciilifeform	'how many divisions has the pope?' (tm)(r)(iosif vissarionovich)
13:15	davout	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735350 <<< stopped at first paragraph
13:15	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735296 << studiously ignored the "nobody holds any title to any bitcoin" portions of http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.311 final and dispositive ruling on the matter.
13:16	davout	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735344 <<< nah
13:16	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735297 << ah, are you the dev.to guy ?
13:16	mircea_popescu	basically it's a whole pile of "how could i reinterpret the world through my firmly held notions of biblical truth". this is nice and good, provided a large solid comedy goldmine for the whole 1800s, "darwinism debate" still ongoing in particularily protected corners of the swamp.
13:17	ben_vulpes	!!rate ang-st 1 apparently knows a good idea when he hears one
13:17	deedbot	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4oIY9/?raw=true
13:17	ben_vulpes	!!v C6181F2FC66C392C917F45AEF91C73BDF0CFF5E2D030A3D6BC3E760BA3618123
13:17	deedbot	ben_vulpes rated ang-st 1 << apparently knows a good idea when he hears one
13:18	mircea_popescu	ang-st 'sce-que c'est cet "tetraneutral" ?
13:18	ben_vulpes	tetaneutral heh
13:18	ben_vulpes	neutral tits!
13:18	davout	!!rate ang-st 1 didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes
13:18	ang-st	a non profit isp
13:18	deedbot	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xnTbq/?raw=true
13:18	mircea_popescu	o.O
13:18	mircea_popescu	do you have like what, a rack in toulouse ?
13:18	davout	!!v 8F3CBEB97CA6214773072EEE5840B31547F40F9A85B2EA9C1C4D017E2ACF84F7
13:18	deedbot	davout rated ang-st 1 << didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes
13:19	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes funny thing, i read a r in there.
13:19	mircea_popescu	apparently #tetaneutral.net
13:19	ang-st	mircea_popescu: no we have our own AS, 2 kind of DC room a 10G line
13:19	mircea_popescu	where, this ?
13:20	ang-st	toulouse south of france
13:20	mircea_popescu	both dcs ?
13:21	ang-st	well we have a true DC room, and an "assocative" one (as in french term association which stand for non profit org)
13:22	mircea_popescu	what's that, like the old style interchange room ?
13:22	ang-st	mostly a room located in a legaluzed squat
13:22	ang-st	legalized*
13:23	mircea_popescu	right.
13:23	mircea_popescu	any interest in getting a rack or two in a similar squat somewhere in the colonies, algerie, morocco, whatever ?
13:24	ang-st	well, that's kind of stuff that you might talk at #tetaneutral.net
13:24	mircea_popescu	also : any interest in moving your associates registration to the already existing and well developed deedbot WoT infrastrcture ? payments via same system, in bitcoin ?
13:25	ang-st	well i tried to push for bitcoin at some point, but didn't get many support
13:26	mircea_popescu	as it happens we're right in the middle of building republican infrastructure, in principle at least as to what meets the eye very similar to whart you have there.
13:26	mircea_popescu	ang-st consider how this works here : http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%21%21pay and http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%21%21withdraw
13:27	mircea_popescu	consider also the whole WoT infrastructure ( http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and say http://wot.deedbot.org )
13:29	ang-st	might work if most of our users were tech savy, but tbh the way it goes actually it would be a burden if mandatory or simply ignored beside some folks in any other cases
13:29	mircea_popescu	but your partners ? not tech savy either ?
13:29	mircea_popescu	or is the idea here that user=partner
13:32	ang-st	well you might give a try :-)
13:32	mircea_popescu	ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense ; meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,
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13:32	mircea_popescu	ie the makers of the endless september, the " a burden if mandatory or simply ignored".
13:32	ang-st	but i think it's a bit early
13:32	ang-st	in people mind
13:32	mircea_popescu	i don't know yet, there might be something here.
13:33	mircea_popescu	ang-st early how do you mean ? i see it's >6 yo by now.
13:33	ang-st	how long beetween the seminal RSA paper and it's widespread use ?
13:34	mircea_popescu	i don't consider rsa was used until we started using it.
13:34	ang-st	:)
13:34	mircea_popescu	so what, 3 decades.
13:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you wanna send one box on an adventure to these folk ?
13:35	asciilifeform	sure
13:35	asciilifeform	tho fr is nearly as 'good' as usa afaik
13:35	mircea_popescu	just about. but hey. what you got in stock ?
13:35	ang-st	my point is crypto concept are still miles away from general public (and i consider most user of ttnn as general public)
13:35	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: me ? i have the 3 pilot boxen as prev. catalogued. or you meant him
13:36	mircea_popescu	ang-st my point, conversely, is that the general public is as human as the population of holstein cattle. nobody cares nor ever will.
13:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i meant you. name one, what was it ? opteron what ?
13:36	ang-st	sorry dunno the reference
13:37	ang-st	ok got ir
13:37	mircea_popescu	http://s3-wp-lyleprintingandp.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/27160428/holstein-record-Ever-Green-View-My-Gold-ET.jpg << holstein cow.
13:37	ang-st	it*
13:37	*	asciilifeform digs in log. could've sworn i posted the specs
13:39	ang-st	i feel that considering people as cow, or what ever, isn't a good way to make line move
13:39	ang-st	juste an easy way to feel "high level"
13:40	mircea_popescu	well, also a cheap explanation as to why there's "flat earth" believers to this day. but we digress.
13:40	mircea_popescu	ang-st say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v with the challenge string
13:40	asciilifeform	i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .
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13:40	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo et al ^
13:41	mircea_popescu	ang-st so what'd it cost me for you folks to host 1 sealed box, containing an opteron 6376 as above, cool it and feed it its required wattage and bw ?
13:41	asciilifeform	each is of 1U physical dimension.
13:46	mircea_popescu	wd.
13:47	ang-st	needed some time to figure out otp stuff
13:47	mircea_popescu	yeah. worth it, esp if you keep your key secure, as perfect identity online.
13:48	ang-st	mircea_popescu: question@tetaneutral.net it you want to put a box there
13:48	mircea_popescu	im not going to use email.
13:48	ang-st	irc ? :)
13:48	mircea_popescu	working with the republic is entirely dependent on working ON republican methods.
13:48	mircea_popescu	yeah, irc.
13:49	ang-st	well consider them neighboor with different coutume :)
13:49	ben_vulpes	doesn't make the scytale an acceptable cipher
13:49	mircea_popescu	sure. but im not going there.
13:50	ang-st	np :)
13:50	*	mircea_popescu recently went to limon, on the basis of one chick observing "Hey, most of the local girls we fuck are actually from limon! maybe check out the source ?" then couldn't find either an acceptable restaurant or hotel, so turned the capsule back and returned home.
13:51	mircea_popescu	limon is thereby a neighbourhood with a different coutume, which is to say eating huge platters of badly done teriyaki and thinking "hotel" is "i built some rooms atop the garage myself and will permit vagabonds to crash there".
13:56	ang-st	if it works for them, i'm fine with it, anyway i would not follow their architectural advises, that's it :)
14:11	ang-st	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735401 https://chiliproject.tetaneutral.net/projects/tetaneutral/wiki/Valeurs as a quick translate of main obecjtives i would say, lawfull privacy (we can't protect you from french authority), net neutrality , at your will price
14:11	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:32 mircea_popescu: ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense ; meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,
14:11	ang-st	i would add, volunteer based and best effort support
14:12	ang-st	we alreeady forked as the structure was to big
14:12	ang-st	ie we mostly need volunteer no cash :)
14:13	mircea_popescu	aha.
14:14	mircea_popescu	ang-st protection from whatever soi-dissant "government" or whatever is not being contemplated at any point. what is being contemplated is not protecting the pretend-government itself from its own actions. so if it steals a box, that's fine, we shall say "the so and so illegitimate criminal gang stole so and so republican property" and that's that. no us-style "secrecy" is the whole story.
14:15	mircea_popescu	at this phase, interdicting the socialist mind's self-misrepresentations is quite sufficient.
14:17	mircea_popescu	also support is not sought, i don't think, if by support you mean manpower as opposed to you know, cooling. (if the latter, there's really 0 interest in a "best effort dc / someone's house".)
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14:17	mircea_popescu	what'd those volunteers do ?
14:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: very, very basic 'support' can't really be gone without -- 'pull disk #5 and put this-here that i mailed you in', 'tell this new box its ip', 'yank the box and mail to me, i'm going home' etc.
14:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform satellite node anyway, mostly there to judge the crowd than anything.
14:19	asciilifeform	and needless to say none of these happen unless valid pgpgram
14:19	asciilifeform	otherwise any derp can 'hey mail me this machine'
14:19	mircea_popescu	heh.
14:20	ang-st	well ..on isp side deploy wifi networks, on hosting/core network side admin stuff, some amdinstrative task, troll (or not) in irc, move to local event ...
14:20	ang-st	have lunch and beer sometime :)
14:20	ang-st	+s
14:20	mircea_popescu	ang-st most of those would be best recruited in a cafe in toulouse neh ? 80% or more of whatthey do being physical presence
14:20	ang-st	well ssh is marvellous but phy stuff of course
14:21	ang-st	event with a jet you can't be faster than a local motivated guy
14:21	mircea_popescu	sooo... it's not directly obvious how having money would increase teh volunteers 10fold ?
14:21	mircea_popescu	after all, the google "Volunteers" are there for the cafeteria.
14:22	mircea_popescu	in other lulz, http://lesplanade.org/ that link of liaisons isn't that maintained is it ?
14:23	asciilifeform	lol spamola
14:23	mircea_popescu	ang-st incidentally, what happened on march 2015 ? pretty much broke the organisation, what was it, the usual "colectif socialiste" internal quarrel and split ? who left ?
14:24	ang-st	2 different area, 2 different problematic and the wish to go "for profit" ie build a company on top, create billed jobs
14:24	ang-st	for once
14:24	ang-st	for one*
14:25	mircea_popescu	so basically the more active folks took off and made their own corp ? is it still in business ?
14:25	ang-st	so org meeting, vote, next
14:25	ang-st	yup
14:25	ang-st	it deploy in a "zone blanche"
14:25	mircea_popescu	what's that ?
14:25	ang-st	area without broadband intenet
14:25	mircea_popescu	ah
14:25	ang-st	middle mountain
14:26	ang-st	so basically there are the only one here
14:26	ang-st	hence to much demands
14:26	mircea_popescu	https://chiliproject.tetaneutral.net/projects/tetaneutral << is my search broken or are you not in there ?
14:27	ang-st	i you look my gpg metadata, you'll see me mentioned as cofounder elsewhere
14:27	ang-st	if*
14:28	ang-st	anyway there many people that are more involved than me in the project now
14:29	mircea_popescu	i see.
14:29	mircea_popescu	what metadata am i looking at, some email off digitalservice.group ?
14:30	ang-st	look a bit more than dns
14:30	ang-st	:)
14:30	mircea_popescu	https://zebitcoin.com/gb/ << "buy and sell bitcoin with credit card". this... sounds like 2012!
14:30	ang-st	haha
14:30	ang-st	agreed
14:31	ang-st	pretty ugly, almost robust, good to go on business
14:31	mircea_popescu	i have my doubts re that last point, but glwith it!
14:32	ang-st	well i have some not to be release numbers that would prove you wrong :)
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14:32	ang-st	but nevermind
14:33	mircea_popescu	aite then.
14:39	asciilifeform	meanwhile in entomologies, http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/loser.gif
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14:40	asciilifeform	( http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/ quite interesting find, incl. massive symbolics lm pile . phf , do you know who he is ? )
14:40	mircea_popescu	jesus they make shitty tables now
14:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have nfi, could be theatrical
14:41	*	mircea_popescu has credible oak desk, can pound to satisfaction. improves the furnioture in the process
14:42	asciilifeform	1860620 gcc-1.42.tar.gz << such nostalg
14:42	ben_vulpes	that is not a table, that is finely spun chineseium
14:42	ben_vulpes	more of a tent
14:43	ben_vulpes	> simcity2000.sit
14:44	asciilifeform	massive collection of rarities and rubbish both
14:44	asciilifeform	e.g. http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera
14:45	mircea_popescu	nice find
14:45	asciilifeform	sadly most of it is stuff that was on the cd set
14:45	mircea_popescu	ancient gcc surely wasnt lol
14:45	asciilifeform	i meant the bolix
14:46	asciilifeform	but the rest -- yes, variously interesting
14:46	asciilifeform	( even something for vax )
14:47	asciilifeform	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/tape/ asciilifeform never had
14:47	ben_vulpes	genera/tape/Genera 5.2/Sources/
14:47	ben_vulpes	sounds interesting, is that a commonly shared thing, the sources?
14:47	asciilifeform	i have nfi if these sources are subset, superset, or same as the ones on the cd
14:47	ben_vulpes	(assuming they are source code)
14:47	ben_vulpes	what is "the cd"?
14:48	asciilifeform	the one dks gave out to all junk buyers. it is also on warez ( on 'piratebay' to this day afaik )
14:48	ben_vulpes	ah
14:48	mircea_popescu	and in other great antiques from known sources, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/real_men_want_to_drink_guinnes.html
14:48	scriba	TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)
14:48	asciilifeform	umm
14:48	asciilifeform	eggog?
14:48	mircea_popescu	Framedragger ^
14:48	mircea_popescu	prolly triefd to archive it
14:49	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/GENERA_8_3.iso seems to be a copy of selfsame cd
14:49	asciilifeform	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/layered-products.ISO was also in the box
14:49	asciilifeform	and the other isos.
14:50	asciilifeform	i'ma see if they match mine some time later when i can be arsed.
14:51	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the classical cd shipped with sources, but not for some of the more interesting items (e.g. 'ns' chip and pcb layout cad; systemolade of various sorts (e.g. fep) etc )
14:53	ben_vulpes	what means 'fep'?
14:53	asciilifeform	frontendprocessor
14:53	ben_vulpes	and 'ns'?
14:53	asciilifeform	lispm had a board dedicated just to bringing up the lispm proper on boot. had equiv. of sun workstation of the time, in there
14:53	asciilifeform	'ns' was their in-house cad thing, 100% lisp
14:53	ben_vulpes	oh sweet
14:53	asciilifeform	they did own chip layout , pcb, mechanicals, glass, etc.
14:55	asciilifeform	see also old threads, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631477 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1578026
14:55	a111	Logged on 2017-03-23 03:09 asciilifeform: well, starting with the crown jewels , and down :
14:55	a111	Logged on 2016-12-05 17:01 phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.
14:56	trinque	ah, had its own intel management engine eh?
14:56	mircea_popescu	:p
14:56	asciilifeform	lol
14:56	mircea_popescu	don't say that, you'll hurt butts.
14:57	trinque	loller
14:57	mircea_popescu	(but -- very much yes. the reason "glories of the past" are glories of the past is that they were killed before grew teeth.)
14:57	asciilifeform	it was possible to actually program the fep tho
14:57	asciilifeform	( machine started 'in' it )
14:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and on original facebook it was possible to yoy know, own your dribblings.
14:58	mircea_popescu	!#s bait and switch technology
14:58	a111	0 results for "bait and switch technology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bait%20and%20switch%20technology
14:58	mircea_popescu	orly.
14:59	asciilifeform	( orig lm had no concept whatsoever of seekoority, or even multiple users, i'm almost surprised mircea_popescu was not quick to remind of this )
14:59	mircea_popescu	i am not a hater, im a loler.
14:59	asciilifeform	it was pretty lulzy 'money is no object' baroque arch
14:59	shinohai	A copy of gcc 1.42 lol
15:00	asciilifeform	console had equiv. of workstation cpu at the time ~just for sound~ etc
15:01	asciilifeform	shinohai: i'm mirroring whole thing
15:01	asciilifeform	(offline, for nao, until isp day)
15:02	shinohai	I think I shall too ... depending on size I can likely put on btcinfo server
15:02	asciilifeform	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/3630/ http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/3640/ << moar bolixisms.
15:02	asciilifeform	even some rom images, loox like.
15:06	phf	asciilifeform: that's josh dersch, he's a seattle retro computing enthusiast. specifically he works on hardware restoration (including a symbolics) for paul alan's http://www.livingcomputers.org, i've met him once or twice
15:06	asciilifeform	aa neato
15:07	mircea_popescu	oh, which reminds me, we were going to rent a machinem from some similarily located enthusiast's "museum"
15:07	asciilifeform	hm?
15:07	mircea_popescu	but since we've done all the talking about it that could be done that's that, i take it ? nuts.
15:07	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lemme dig it out
15:07	phf	i suspect the sources in question are just dumps from iso, i.e. the high level stuff. i'm positive that he doesn't have the bits that you actually want (i.e. the bedrock code)
15:08	asciilifeform	phf: he has a bunch of tape images, i've none, at some point i'ma comb'em
15:09	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692956 << thereabouts.
15:09	a111	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance you check out this "people's comp museum" next seattle trip ?
15:09	asciilifeform	i dun expect to find ns src for the cpu, but could theoretically find pinout or even data re pcb , which is almost as good
15:09	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693046 specifically.
15:09	a111	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNGre/?raw=true
15:10	asciilifeform	hey ben_vulpes you ever made it to that museum ?
15:10	ben_vulpes	haven't made it to seattle in quite some time, no
15:11	mircea_popescu	sorry, meant http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693044
15:11	a111	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D
15:13	ben_vulpes	was that predicated on stopping in at the vintage museum?
15:13	mircea_popescu	not at all.
15:13	mircea_popescu	was predicated on guy showing up here and closing.
15:13	ben_vulpes	a, ok
15:14	ben_vulpes	well i don't remember that happening, so i'm pretty sure that it didn't.
15:14	mircea_popescu	but whatever, erryone's going to continue in this "i will wait until the world conforms to my webpage and sends email according to my own bureaucratic misrepresentations" elliotism until they fall over.
15:14	mircea_popescu	the obvious similarity to the above-discussed coy behaviour entirely hush hush in the fem-bois.
15:15	mircea_popescu	"it works sorta-better for the above average and so what if i 100% miss out on the high sigma events!!!"
15:19	asciilifeform	ain't that the whole 'female' strategy in compact algo ? 'guaranteed catch of bag of tiny fishes, in return for 0 chance of whale'
15:20	mircea_popescu	type b female strategy, yes.
15:20	mircea_popescu	the sort that then asks the queen of sparta things.
15:22	asciilifeform	hey phf what do you suppose is the mtbf of a present-day bolix 'xl' ?
15:22	mircea_popescu	these got disk-fixed tho. so conceivably years.
15:23	asciilifeform	they did. still remains the issue of electrolytic caps tho
15:23	asciilifeform	iirc
15:23	mircea_popescu	mildest failure possible.
15:23	mircea_popescu	heck, i thought people pre-emptively replaced those anyway
15:23	asciilifeform	depends how it barfs. on some misfortunate boxes cap failure leads to nukeage of ics.
15:24	asciilifeform	hence the q. how often can it be expected to melt down. and how recoverable after meltdown.
15:24	mircea_popescu	nothing forces you to only change it after it explodes like carribean minds.
15:24	mircea_popescu	can change periodically, can change on the basis of heatmap...
15:24	asciilifeform	this is indeed tru, not so long ago i recapped an... opteron
15:24	asciilifeform	( recall article )
15:24	mircea_popescu	modern toyota mtbf as measured on costa rica highway is ~6 months.
15:24	asciilifeform	that's pretty good
15:25	mircea_popescu	cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks.
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15:25	mircea_popescu	guy on hill had cracks in support wall for months and months. built new wall after massive rain left with portion of his courtyard.
15:25	mircea_popescu	not before, god damned it, "waste" concrete on not-collapsed fence, it's uncatholic.
15:26	mircea_popescu	(and in lulz of all time : laid bricks in, leaving space to pour reinforced concrete pillars later. not the other way around. because... EASIER THIS WAY!!!)
15:26	asciilifeform	lol orc engineering
15:27	mircea_popescu	quite.
15:27	asciilifeform	pretty sure i saw a similar 'genius' in timis
15:27	mircea_popescu	he's optimised for his own scope.
15:29	mircea_popescu	hot damn
15:29	mircea_popescu	"There's a gigantic error in the ad, yet to most people the ad is totally believable, like this is a hidden camera vid, this error is invisible to them; and if this error was corrected this ad would have never been possible. Do you see it? Why didn't one of these "men" just walk her to her car? Three guys, not one thought of this? She's under your umbrella and your natural instinct was not to protect, to help? So wrap
15:29	mircea_popescu	ped up in what it all means and power imbalances that you couldn't just... behave? Ok, forget about chivalry-- out of sheer selfishness, a hail mary longshot? Sure, no expectations, but what the hell, let's see where it goes, maybe she'll ask you out for a Guinness? Were you so insulted by her "entitlement" that you couldn't just try? Or so flustered because a woman that you have stripped of her ordinary humanity and forc
15:29	mircea_popescu	ed her to be a symbol of value chose to be near you, your brain couldn't figure out what to do next? In which case her decision to leave you for another umbrella was astutely correct, odd how she and the commercial knew that. All men are good for is an umbrella because she cannot rely on men to act like... men."
15:29	mircea_popescu	i'm like converted to tlpism again.
15:30	mircea_popescu	the whole time im sitting there going "Wtf why not just walk her to her god damned car, all this management for 10 steps, what are these dudes, planets moving by immutable laws ?!"
15:30	mircea_popescu	but they fucking are. can not act. gotta elliot. "WHY NONE OF THESE GIRLS TALK TO ME!!1" "did you talk to them ?"
15:31	mircea_popescu	"i need uber for someone else's bored dad to take me to ballet practice ; this is muchly preferable to talking to my own."
15:32	BingoBoingo	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735101 << Flouroplastics make the best fishing line
15:32	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:19 asciilifeform: there are other fluoroplastics , that are easier to work / other desirable parameters tweaked
15:32	BingoBoingo	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735116 < Nah, what you want is aluminum bronze
15:32	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:23 asciilifeform: surgical steel would also work
15:32	mircea_popescu	who the fuck thinks this is "technology" ?! it's not fucking technology, it's elaborate psycho-orthopedics.
15:32	BingoBoingo	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735161 << Closer to 10 for only snake that matters to own. Anything more ~75 to rent drain machine or special ~18 toilet snake
15:32	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 mircea_popescu: so buy a snake, big whoop. 20 bux at BingoBoingo 's store.
15:32	BingoBoingo	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735163 << If house is defective in this way throne comes apart. 2 ~20 kilo lifts
15:32	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 asciilifeform: but you also gotta be able and willing to lift the throne ( old houses in usa have no cleanplug ) etc.
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16:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the ad in question seems to have vanished ?
16:06	asciilifeform	( at any rate it dun load )
16:08	mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Ft-3bmUcE
16:08	mircea_popescu	googletards gotta be special.
16:08	asciilifeform	ok worx ty
16:08	asciilifeform	lol plasticar
16:08	mircea_popescu	toyotallac.
16:09	asciilifeform	mercehonda
16:09	mircea_popescu	but ballas' point is fundamentally sound : the "fridge logic" moment on ~the absence of which~ the whole multi-mn attempt rests is... it WILL NOT occur to you to propose to her.
16:10	mircea_popescu	anything, no matter the circumstances, whitebread ustard can be RELIED ON not to do.
16:10	ben_vulpes	well i mean look what happens when you do propose! https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/pennsylvania-man-gouged-out-teens-eyes-and-broke-her-neck-when-she-refused-to-marry-him/
16:11	mircea_popescu	...
16:11	ben_vulpes	only a terrorist would proposition a woman
16:11	mircea_popescu	weird, cuz the majority of terrorists are beta male rejects in their originating society.
16:12	mircea_popescu	girls there put out ~on par with any other girls ; but the future terrorist DOES NOT ASK because, just like every other eventual elliot, DOES NOT PERCEIVE he might.
16:12	asciilifeform	reads more like pcp doper than 'terrorist'
16:12	mircea_popescu	because whatever, "his daddy';s not rich enough". honey we can't afford another kid, as if THAT is how it goes.
16:13	asciilifeform	from same rag, 'The man accused of tackling Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and breaking his ribs as he was mowing his lawn pleaded not guilty on Thursday to a misdemeanor assault charge, a court official said.'
16:13	mircea_popescu	get this : arab 30yos with no wealth (sheep, camels, women) and no prospects, fascinated by eg chet (happenstantially i was the definitive arab world aspirational immage, young man with older white woman in tow) talked TO ME about it. not to her.
16:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how did it go? 'can i borrow this' ?
16:14	mircea_popescu	nope, not at all. more like "what bands do you like", in the transparently/invisible hopes that if got right, who knows, maybe has a chance IN A DISTANT AND ABSENT FUTURE
16:15	mircea_popescu	what the beta boi wants from the inadvertent oracle is ... a score.
16:15	asciilifeform	lol, 'hey we like the same type of pie, yes you can borrow my chix' ?!
16:15	mircea_popescu	no, he didn't want this one. he wanted an absent one.
16:15	asciilifeform	the one kept in spare tyre compartment ? or where
16:16	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the "uber repressive" society i had no problem checking out the women's tits while they breastfed, as an act of public intimacy, to not discuss private intimacy. cuz i DIDN'T ask -- not their "owner" males, and generally no one.
16:16	mircea_popescu	the pinnacle of this being that at one point in the subway -- gender segregated, you get it ? -- we got in the first car (women only!!) which made the gals chuckle and teh guys get REALLY bothered, one car over.
16:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one allah keeps in his fate compartment for him, da fuck do i know. the problem with masturbators is that the imago must not gain carnality.
16:17	asciilifeform	btw i realized today that 'задрот' does not properly translate to eng
16:18	asciilifeform	it isn't exactly 'wanker'
16:18	mircea_popescu	"she's no longer hot! why does she have an abdominal fold ??" "cuz she's a woman" "that's not what i saw on bangbros" "yes, well, they only film some angles"
16:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform romanian word is "zadar", "waste"
16:19	asciilifeform	neh but see задрот is specifically 'terminal masturbator'
16:19	asciilifeform	as in the kind where 'the imago must not gain carnality' etc
16:19	mircea_popescu	not same root as за даръ ?
16:19	asciilifeform	nope
16:20	mircea_popescu	ah ok
16:20	asciilifeform	from дрочить
16:20	asciilifeform	( to wank )
16:20	asciilifeform	( i suspect a europistani root there, but nfi from whom specifically it came )
16:21	shinohai	!!rated whaack
16:21	deedbot	shinohai has not rated whaack.
16:21	shinohai	hmmm
16:22	shinohai	!!rate whaack 1 we did spanish stuff. #trilema
16:22	deedbot	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ScWmz/?raw=true
16:25	shinohai	!!v 8EC99BF711E7CE3F30D74C32199A4EB21C8FBF10DB602AF13F9D6DA97420DCD9
16:25	deedbot	shinohai rated whaack 1 << we did spanish stuff. #trilema
16:29	shinohai	Of course it's suspicious activity report, duh! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KNgVS/?raw=true
16:41	mircea_popescu	in other strangely related insane nonsense, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/tom%20ford%20penis.jpg
16:42	mircea_popescu	"who the fuck would rub penis scent on himself ?" "a woman" "and who else ?"
16:43	shinohai	Nah they fucked that up
16:43	shinohai	If yer gonna sell penis scent, you target traps and fags
16:43	mircea_popescu	or cubical drones with a vp prospect.
16:43	mircea_popescu	everyone else, either has it or knows where to get it.
16:43	shinohai	xD
16:44	mircea_popescu	in which vein, "why does this place smell of dick ?!" "i farted."
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17:03	asciilifeform	!#s boar mate
17:03	a111	1 result for "boar mate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boar%20mate
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17:21	ben_vulpes	now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?
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17:22	trinque	"be the change you want to see" !
17:26	ben_vulpes	aha but ho damn also louis ck now purged from hollywoo as well
17:26	ben_vulpes	clearly the women are winning!
17:30	trinque	lol always with the "and then he started jacking off in front of me!"
17:32	mircea_popescu	which one is this one ?
17:39	trinque	fat cuck whose whole routine amounts to "dude guys not cool" and feigning exasperation from pantsuit perspective
17:39	trinque	so, of course wanted to wet his diaper in front of women or w/e
17:45	mircea_popescu	ah
17:46	mircea_popescu	in other news, i just had a conversation with a bird.
17:46	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735695 << how dumb would somebody have to be to send $goodies to dnc and expect btc back ?
17:46	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 22:21 ben_vulpes: now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?
17:46	asciilifeform	or rnc or whatever fiatolade people
17:46	mircea_popescu	the national bird of costa rica is some kind of thrush. he's splendid, bright yellow and things. and his call is like teep-te-deep. teep-teep.
17:47	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is this the dead hdd bird ? or other
17:47	mircea_popescu	very fucking hysterical. so i mocked it, and it... ANSWERED!
17:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform different.
17:59	ben_vulpes	nah asciilifeform moar like "step forward with allegations against $senator, get btc if they withdraw. first 5 to <strike>draw on their tits</strike> get documented media exposure get a bitcent
17:59	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: again who would be dumb enough to blow btc on this ? and who dumb enough to believe in the promise of btc for this
18:00	asciilifeform	do you , personally care , ben_vulpes , which muppet 'withdraws' and is replaced by which other muppet ?
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18:00	asciilifeform	i can't say that i do
18:02	ben_vulpes	who would be dumb enough to blow btc emplacing $box at $location either
18:02	asciilifeform	box, nominally, ~does~ something
18:03	ben_vulpes	promise from nobody worth nothing, promise backed by the republic worth more than anything dnc can ever offer.
18:03	asciilifeform	near as i can tell, 'which senator' matters approx the same amount as 'which wrestler'
18:05	ben_vulpes	who would ever pay a dollar in ddos to cost someone ten, while on the topic
18:06	asciilifeform	not sure i see the parallel
18:06	asciilifeform	so you publish dirt on 3 muppets, 4th, on whom you were not able to find any, wins. where's the win from this from your pov ?
18:07	ben_vulpes	not even a matter of publishing dirt, wapo has decreed that actual dirt is immaterial, accusations are all that matter.
18:07	asciilifeform	it isn't about 'accusations', you or i could accuse all day long and they will print 0
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18:08	ben_vulpes	quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.
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18:08	asciilifeform	and a newyorktimes.
18:08	ben_vulpes	dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.
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18:09	ben_vulpes	reasoning from first principles is racist, etc
18:09	asciilifeform	when the blessedly anointed accuse. when evil terrorist -- not worth mention
18:10	ben_vulpes	when the pantsuit controlled twitter and instagram, this might have been so
18:10	ben_vulpes	times and wapo etc now quiver in fear of not being fast enough on the trigger with the allegations.
18:11	asciilifeform	did i sleep through a tragic fire where twatter et al mysteriously burned down ?
18:11	ben_vulpes	well they did give up on the verification play today
18:11	asciilifeform	waiwat
18:11	ben_vulpes	"nice people only" or some such
18:12	ben_vulpes	https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/09/twitter-halts-verification-over-checkmark-charlottesville-rally-organizer/848314001/ as a random sample
18:12	asciilifeform	lol!
18:12	asciilifeform	'Verification was meant to authenticate identity & voice but it is interpreted as an endorsement or an indicator of importance," Twitter said in a tweet announcing its decision to pause the verification program. "We recognize that we have created this confusion and need to resolve it. We have paused all general verifications while we work and will report back soon.'
18:13	asciilifeform	'hey let's all use centrally-controlled faux wot, what could be the down side'
18:13	ben_vulpes	allll you gotta do is find a further out-there minority or 'oppressed person', and everyone will race to validate their lived experience. trend has been towards this for years, don't know how you don't see it.
18:16	asciilifeform	validate their lived experience << lel
18:17	asciilifeform	'your livedexperience has failed checksum and does not validate. please try again'
18:17	asciilifeform	i still dun fully grasp what this obummerism specifically means
18:17	asciilifeform	aside from the 'validation chamber' or what was it, in hanbot's gulag story
18:20	ben_vulpes	~"you matter, and what happened to you is important"
18:20	ben_vulpes	related: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air-force-academy-racist-message-trnd/index.html
18:21	davout	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735725 <<< as usual the french did it before it became mainstream
18:21	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.
18:22	davout	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735727 <<< lack of empathy, disrespect for feelings etc.
18:22	a111	Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.
18:32	asciilifeform	in very other vintage lulz, http://www.cpu-ns32k.net
18:44	asciilifeform	in other olds, http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/distribution/sys/sys2/bignum.lisp << ( and yes it is on the cd ) >> quite sad bignum stack imho
18:46	asciilifeform	and nearly unreadable to modern eyes
18:48	asciilifeform	to be fair, some of the screaming ugliness is on account of the tangle of arithmetic chips they were stuck using.
18:51	asciilifeform	https://archive.is/TDImw << copy, for l0gz
19:01	cruciform	currently building TRB node
19:02	asciilifeform	cruciform: problems ?
19:02	cruciform	not yet; just felt like sharing!
19:03	cruciform	got a FG to audit after
19:03	asciilifeform	oh you're the uk fella
19:04	asciilifeform	only now plugged it in ?!
19:04	cruciform	haven't even done that yet :P
19:05	asciilifeform	have fun
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19:30	cruciform	got an error during build: https://pastebin.com/cdWPDx2M - any ideas?
19:30	ben_vulpes	gcc 5?
19:30	asciilifeform	^
19:31	cruciform	yea
19:31	asciilifeform	get rid of it
19:31	asciilifeform	and i mean, all of it. no gcc5 on the box anywhere.
19:32	cruciform	ok, thanks
19:32	asciilifeform	( unless yer a gentoo virtuoso and can have 9000 compilers safely co-exist. otherwise, kill. it. with. fire. )
19:34	asciilifeform	!#s gcc5
19:34	a111	28 results for "gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gcc5
19:34	asciilifeform	^ see also.
19:34	asciilifeform	gcc5 was made by wreckers.
19:37	asciilifeform	see also esp. thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665148 .
19:37	a111	Logged on 2017-06-03 02:40 erlehmann: i don't get the hate against optimizing c compilers at all
19:46	cruciform	asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ?
19:47	asciilifeform	i cannot immediately say how to do this surgery on non-gentoo linuxen
19:47	asciilifeform	might want to ask mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , shinohai
19:47	asciilifeform	if you make the cuts in the wrong order, could easily end up without a compiler.
19:48	cruciform	yea, that's what I'm concerned about. Running Ubuntu 16.04, btw
19:48	asciilifeform	( which may be a trivial fix or an hour-long headache depending on what's on yer box )
19:49	shinohai	ya know i think ive forgotten how to do this the debian away
19:53	asciilifeform	cruciform: at least 1 person here knows the answer to this, you might want to check back later.
19:54	cruciform	asciilifeform: thanks! will do. In other matters, is this the correct kinda cable for a FG? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Raspberry-Programming-Serial-Windows-Supported/dp/B01N4X3BJB/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1510275254&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=ttl+cable&psc=1
19:57	asciilifeform	cruciform: pretty sure i shipped a number of units with that exact cable
19:58	asciilifeform	it's a pl2303 , ought to work ( though see diana_coman 's recent thread , on certain egregiously braindamaged linuxen there is a bug )
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19:58	cruciform	yea, saw that - don't think she had any problems with ubuntu
20:04	asciilifeform	cruciform: the colours on your cable may not match exactly the traditional one; in that case look up which wire is rx, which - +5v, which - ground.
20:05	asciilifeform	( leave 'tx' alone . )
20:06	cruciform	thanks!
20:08	asciilifeform	np
20:08	*	asciilifeform bbl
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21:39	lobbes	!~ticker --market all
21:39	jhvh1	lobbes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7282.95, vol: 14418.62854468 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7246.0, vol: 50570.46137361 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 7300.0, vol: 4877.60280168 \| Volume-weighted last average: 7257.39539951
21:47	mod6	!~later tell cruciform <+cruciform> asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ? << This ~ought~ to work. However, it's been a while since I had to do all of these gyrations myself. Please let me know if you need help on this, I'll do what I can. Salud.
21:48	mod6	Pardon me.
21:48	mod6	!~later tell cruciform <+cruciform> asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ? << This ~ought~ to work. However, it's been a while since I had to do all of these gyrations myself. Please let me know if you need help on this, I'll do what I can. Salud.
21:48	jhvh1	mod6: The operation succeeded.
21:56	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> very fucking hysterical. so i mocked it, and it... ANSWERED! << Very nice. This is very motivations for digesting meters of audio.
21:59	mod6	:D
22:03	BingoBoingo	In other news, Uruguay datacenter is offering to help petition to get IPs assigned through LACNIC
22:17	BingoBoingo	And we have a quote, extracting info from PDF
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23:30	BingoBoingo	!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GvF3m/?raw=true
23:30	jhvh1	BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

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