| 00:47 |
trinque |
dunno that I share this static view of humans. gonna be interesting to see what she gets whipped into. |
| 00:47 |
lobbesbot |
trinque: Sent 8 hours and 33 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Secular Texas related question I recieved for your laffs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EnsvM/?raw=true |
| 00:48 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot. |
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| 00:49 |
trinque |
chick sounds stoked. |
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| 01:13 |
nicoleci |
thank you, trinque - I am excited :) |
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| 10:13 |
asciilifeform |
in other noose >> https://archive.is/Pl8lP << 'shapeshift' accountless exchange house goes 'kyc' |
| 10:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << possibly this q is constructed so as to have no answer, but why not try : erry day whole buncha males eat their pistols, given as this is the only 'turnaround and dispensing with whatever life' available to them. |
| 10:15 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot. |
| 10:21 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: i have not forgotten your item; currently drowning in saecular liquishit, but expecting to get to it today |
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| 11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes |
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| 11:57 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot. |
| 11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
, you're moving on". |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and no, there's nothing wrong with saying "universally, except for the morons". car tanks are universally filled with gasoline (except for the morons -- such as those who try straight toluene, or those al schwartz speaks of, or etcetera -- there's no "consensus" escape from reality, and so in plenty of cases there's no difference between divergence and idiocy) |
| 12:01 |
asciilifeform |
nitrobenzene!111 |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yaya |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
why not straight paracetamol. |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
trotyl. why settle for small change. |
| 12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, speaking of which, isn't it a wonder all the "secret services assassinations" etc don't involve a simple "replace shower gel with nitrobenzene" ? evidently they can get hotel maids to perjure themselves in the most ridoinculous way possible, why not something incomparably safer ? not like the usual fucktards would ever give up the "conference" life |
| 12:05 |
diana_coman |
I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties |
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| 12:05 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 03:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling) |
| 12:05 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: actually they nailed the head of DNR ( counter-ukrs ) coupla days ago in precisely , iirc, this way |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman and consider : she's younger than him. |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
exploding lamp in restaurant. |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ha |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
hm, alfie, it's not explosive so much as very toxic. |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
oh i have nfi which particular load. |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
word is, one of his guards is already on a plane to promise land miami. |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lmap |
| 12:10 |
asciilifeform |
as for poison, it's 'mature technology', they seem to have no prob 'heart attack'ing whoever. |
| 12:10 |
asciilifeform |
( helps if victim is helpfully prisoner , e.g. milosevich ) |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
1918 technoly lol, potassium chloride. i had an entire box, as a boy, FOR JUST THIS JUST IN CASE!!! |
| 12:14 |
asciilifeform |
1500s |
| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
( aside from radionucleic strange, the point of using which largely escapes me, not much changed in poison art since borgias ) |
| 12:16 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> 1918 technoly lol, potassium chloride. i had an entire box, as a boy, FOR JUST THIS JUST IN CASE!!! << Ah, the old sodium free salt from the grocery store |
| 12:16 |
asciilifeform |
usg circa '50s-70s had this peculiar fixation with 'incapacitating agents', to make victim spout nonsense and 'discredit', but afaik came to ~nuffin |
| 12:17 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps will have a second life, at some point, 'maybe if we feed him lsd he'll post his privkey', whoknows |
| 12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
everything has a second life. |
| 12:18 |
asciilifeform |
i'd be surprised if 'privkey serum' were not a major research direction for the current mengeles |
| 12:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847949 << possibly i'm think, but what is comparable here ? the 2 characters dun have same options, as treated at length in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847940 & elsewhere |
| 12:21 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:05 diana_coman: I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties |
| 12:21 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes |
| 12:21 |
asciilifeform |
*thick |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
1 was a doomed d00d taking refuge in a peculiar religion ( why not, gotta wonder, islam, at least it promises 40 magical virgins, why usg.sv ) and 1 is chix being reformatted |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
know how some bottles recycleable, others -- not? similar. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values |
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| 12:24 |
asciilifeform |
rright, but for one, conclusion is 'wagner+cyanide', for other -- not |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it seems, if one's inclined to generalize, that both sexes of a species are the same species, much like both recyclable and non-recyclable bottles are "bottle", in some sort of sense that doesn't make any sense in examination. |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"up until that point where you take them to the recycling plant door and one is refused, they're entirely the same thing right, hold fluid" |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so in the end, it becomes a dispute over present-value-evaluation. if you have two hats, one of which will break next time you use it, do you have two hats ? |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"well... it's not broken now, is it" this is how people here repair my cars. "is it ok ?" "sure, nothing's broken RIGHT THIS INSTANT" "this is a german car, that's not what ok is." |
| 12:26 |
diana_coman |
asciilifeform, he had *his* option to be part of tmsr and she had *her* option to be part of it; he did not take it on account of "but I earn money now and I'm building mah future at this great company" ; she took hers discarding the earn money now and this great company |
| 12:26 |
diana_coman |
not all that dissimilar |
| 12:27 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: i suspect (tho cannot know) that douchebag understood that he was useless , and took refuge in religion. |
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| 12:28 |
diana_coman |
asciilifeform, I don't know what that would be based on really or why you'd put it in |
| 12:28 |
diana_coman |
basically nicoleci then "understood" she was NOT useless somehow? I don't quite follow |
| 12:29 |
asciilifeform |
based on the log. |
| 12:29 |
asciilifeform |
he picked up various work and then demonstrated that his hands grew from arse |
| 12:29 |
diana_coman |
he demonstrated that he was illiterate and so on; pretty much what you complained re nicoleci atm; no proof that one can't learn |
| 12:30 |
asciilifeform |
nicoleci on other hand, is not useless, for fundamental physiological reasons; is at this very moment performing in mircea_popescu's circus |
| 12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely douchebag character was better informed than the girl ; and more competent. |
| 12:30 |
diana_coman |
as mircea_popescu said above http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847976 |
| 12:30 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values |
| 12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
but he was also not going anywhere. |
| 12:31 |
asciilifeform |
was competent at wrong thing, iirc. |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a bit in the piece i am working right now which i'd like to reference ehre. |
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| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
let us just say "is alwayes too hard for himself" and come back to the particular issue in a day or two |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect that the spark of sense in this thread, if there was one, has eluded asciilifeform . so ok. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, i would dare propose the fundamental difference is that the boy absolutely needs to maintain throughout a certain feeling of continuancy, a certain notion that he's still a person, that something from his past nevertheless even today stands, that his retrospective history is somehow interpretable as "having a red thread running through it". even if it were to change, it must be continuous. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas the girl does not so need. even if it is extremely distressing, the experience of the loss of the self is post-partum enjoyable, and in the process ultimately unscary. |
| 12:34 |
diana_coman |
might depend on what "self" one talks about there but anyways, it can certainly wait |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman ah, i just meant the minor side point of "competent at wrong thing". |
| 12:36 |
diana_coman |
ah, I can see that; I'd put it simply: boy attaches a way higher cost to "being wrong" |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, the whole "faux transvestite" a la brendafernandez, "i'm a boy who likes girls but not like a man, so how about i dress up like a girl and we frolic ?" is very much this "what if i could girl also ? discover one day mywhole prior life was a fake" etc. |
| 12:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: douche struck me as the type who 'invested' -- i.e. 'whaddayeamean you have no use for my 313337 web20 h4xx0r sk1llz, whatddayeamean go and learn asm or whatnot, you may as well be telling me that wagner, cyanide' |
| 12:37 |
asciilifeform |
imho this is strange for a 19yo, but the landscape does reliably produce these nao. |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
boys are supposed to try things, yes ? scary things, yes ? well ? |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
per his cosmography he had 'already tried, landed' |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i thought we were talking "transsexuals" / tulpas/ we |
| 12:39 |
asciilifeform |
ah no, i haven't the faintest notion that i know the first thing about these. |
| 12:39 |
asciilifeform |
pro psychopathologists strictly, subject |
| 12:40 |
asciilifeform |
there are reportedly folx who want to somehow 'be' horses, or dogs, etc. also. |
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| 12:40 |
asciilifeform |
they buy specially tailored costumes, etc. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose ; though it does not seem related. |
| 12:40 |
asciilifeform |
to 'trans' ? related. |
| 12:41 |
asciilifeform |
i can't properly picture what is inside the head of the sufferer, but imagine that 'if i dress up correctly, the gods will take pity and wave magic wand' or how else. |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
recall the alice__ character ? |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman do you recall the complaint of the police a few years ago that "you've got all these written exams, now we're stuck making police agents out of girlies, god help us" ? |
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| 12:43 |
asciilifeform |
i parse it as 100% chukcha 'sympathetic magic' -- 'eat heart of walrus, become great swimmer' |
| 12:43 |
asciilifeform |
then you point out that they are no swimmer, and poor nutter goes apeshit |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
neah ; for one thing the "i r lion" fury people shy away whereas the "i r girl" "trans" people seek the limelight. |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
'wtf, i ate 500 walrus, what is wrong with you' |
| 12:44 |
Mocky |
seems to me both male and female cling to the continuity, but female has greater capacity to reframe the past to fit a completely different continuity narrative. |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
Mocky different construction of the id ; therefore different capacity to survive specific crashes. |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: seems like not all 'seek limelight', erry so often you hear of navy officer with 30 yrs service who dresses up as chix when he thinks no one looking etc |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the term's crossdresser. |
| 12:46 |
asciilifeform |
but this is far out of my depth re subj |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
there's two terms specifically for this reason |
| 12:47 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu, I recall that specific complaint mainly as repeatedly cited by you; but other than that I thought it was already quite pervasive issue basically |
| 12:47 |
asciilifeform |
i thought 'trans' was simply crossdresser deceived by quack doctors that he can haz usable synthetic cunt etc |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman alright ; but do you see the argument that ~school as an institution~ provides a higher onthological threat to the boy than to the girl, specfifically because of this implicit "we'll make you something else" promise ? |
| 12:50 |
diana_coman |
if that's what the school promises, it's a tall order anyway; and for that matter does school make girl boy ? or what "something else"? |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?! |
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| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a deep reason for all the historical "initiation ceremonies", and the reason is as usual need. maturation's axiogenic. |
| 12:53 |
Mocky |
if it was ballet school, then yeah something else. |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you think ? from experience russki ballerina doods quite dangerous in close quarters. |
| 12:55 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu, what does axiogenic mean? |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844647 << in the interest of fairness, owner checked for me and apparently bimbo.club was a "premium domain", worth moar. who even knew, there's twelve bux premiums now. |
| 12:55 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-08-25 23:37 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, check out these idiots : advertise it at $1.89 ; charge $15. da fuck. |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman which generates anxiety. |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
maybe anxio- |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 12:56 |
diana_coman |
ah, right |
| 12:56 |
diana_coman |
well, if it's a whole club, it has to be worth more!! |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
did you palatalize the r ? |
| 12:57 |
diana_coman |
lol |
| 12:57 |
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mircea_popescu now regrets he didn't get whole.crub |
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| 12:57 |
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asciilifeform pictures a bimbo.gov, .mil... |
| 12:58 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps reserved for fyootoor rear echelon r&r brothel service pg |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
rear eh ? |
| 12:58 |
Mocky |
tell a boy he's being sent to school, maybe he dun wanna go but no horror. hell him ballet school, (or fashion school or cheerleader camp *something else*) then yes, horror |
| 12:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: per legend, it's what usg uses israel for -- a kind of thailand for officers to park their cocks in during arabian adventures |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the whole thing deeply complicated by, eg, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847984 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846605 |
| 13:00 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:27 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect (tho cannot know) that douchebag understood that he was useless , and took refuge in religion. |
| 13:00 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-01 16:43 Mocky: holy shit, an hour ago i was eating waffles and now i'm going to qatar |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you salvage this, "personal valor transcends gender bias" ? |
| 13:00 |
asciilifeform |
Mocky: in old su, or current jp, and plenty elsewhere, nobody 'tells' boy anyffing, he gets told 'this is school' 'this here is the stick you will be whacked with' etc |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, it might be that the "decolonialization" sudden failure of europe has had the undiagnosed effect of removing fundamental mechanisms required for male maturation, leaving a sort of unstable state. perhaps the case is boys could manage just fine, if there was some sort of resource available to explain that... i don't even know, whatever the fuck, that it's ok to be a boy and it'll work out in the end. |
| 13:05 |
Mocky |
asciilifeform, sounds like less promise of something else |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing's nearly as drastic in fact as the "preparative" imagination promised. |
| 13:08 |
deedbot |
http://qntra.net/2018/09/theranos-wind-down-announced-overnight/ << Qntra - Theranos Wind Down Announced Overnight |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspect something like http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ & http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/ may be controlling. mp knows full well that he can butcher for no reason and with no consequence ; and will to make a point. but this is utterly inconceivable to elliott, who trul |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
y is the universal imago of the contemporaneous english speaking young male. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
hey, whatever else has been said of elliott, the man did in the end seize the fire of butchery from the gods ( even if burned up in it quickly ) |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
so remote is this "delectable pork sausage" in fact, that scarcely he perceives the difference between waving gun out of suv window and shooting some innocent bastard. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't believe that happened. the difference i propose is that for him, said "butchering" is an asimptote, the mind never quite reaches it. which is how they end up believing that "i pick up gun and start shooting" is the ~end~ state. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf end state, "don't take your guns to town, boy" is specifically about "don't ~START~ something". |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the range wars in the very us raged in living memory as an exact manifest of this whole thing. |
| 13:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i parsed elliott et al as a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843703 case |
| 13:11 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-08-22 21:51 asciilifeform: 'Andropov: Why did you decide that you are a judge and can decide with a gun in your hands? Ilyin: Because a person should live not exist.' |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely not. |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
if there is a substantive diff, it is not obvious to me |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
who did elliott shoot ? |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
1st strangers met with, iirc |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
and not brezhnevabama, troo |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and who did v i ilyin shoot ? |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
obamezhnev aha |
| 13:14 |
asciilifeform |
this is the part that never made sense to me, why random derps |
| 13:14 |
asciilifeform |
at least that '80s d00d , ~tried~ reagan |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
(technically, he just shot some random old driver and some cosmonauts, but w/e. dood was going to take over govt by himself and shit, there's a difference between infantilism and insanity.) |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform because the issues the child is struggling with is that he had no dad to take him hunting, |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
not hitler's sort of problem, "the world's incorrectly cut up" |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
if he knew that hitlers always go in 2nd/3rd car, could've scored |
| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, i'm vaguely curious how long until scholarship comes to senses, puts hitler where he belongs -- in lengthy line of peasant revolt leaders, with calvin, gh. doja, what have you. |
| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform he shot at 2nd car. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
hm did he |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
i fughet |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: even yarvin has the sense to correctly put him with muntzer et al |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
jan huss, whatever. |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform amusingly, they all put forth the same pretense, hitler's "take over without breaking as much as a windowpane" very neatly mirrors calvin's "condemnation" of the 1524 wehrmacht. |
| 13:18 |
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asciilifeform subscribes to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843693 hypothesis. |
| 13:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-08-22 21:39 asciilifeform: the janitor with a pail of petrol, is a t-cell, killing off inca cancer, whether knows it or not. |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"so unfortunate we totally had to shoot these idiots who just http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ |
| 13:19 |
* |
mircea_popescu totally sees it, signing a "i deeply regret all these usg politrucks did not see the wisdow in time" eventually. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
how else. |
| 13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
even in wasp hive, not errybody smells the pheromone right away, and recalcitrants 'won't yield', keep on laying 'illicit' eggs etc for a spell |
| 13:31 |
deedbot |
http://qntra.net/2018/09/us-appeals-court-rules-unauthenticated-web-page-archives-now-evidence/ << Qntra - US Appeals Court Rules Unauthenticated Web Page Archives Now Evidence |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
'The appeals judges' decision reflected a similar one back in 2011 by the third circuit (United States v. Bansal) where a witness testified "from personal knowledge" how the Wayback Machine worked and how reliable it was. The court decided this provided "sufficient proof" that its mirrored pages were authentic.' << apparently old noose eh |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
and, in usg 'court', 'evidence' is whatever usg says it is, noose at 11... |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 13:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, gotta keep the "expert witness" racket going |
| 13:40 |
asciilifeform |
if 'digital evidence'(tm)(r) supposedly 'found' on some zek's hdd can be 'evidence', why not this. |
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| 13:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the US courts discussion is always a process of papering over "having been stolen from" |
| 13:44 |
BingoBoingo |
They gotta constantly A/B test their copywriting |
| 13:44 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i dun recall 1 single case of 'd00d kidnapped from orcistan, brought to washington, tried, ...and then acquitted' |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
wel lfor one thing that'd open the whole civil liability can of worms |
| 13:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Hence the appellate wank |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
recall it was bush's idea "we can;'t let people out of our kidnapping centers, tehy'd fucking sue" |
| 13:45 |
asciilifeform |
sovereign immunity, neh |
| 13:45 |
asciilifeform |
sue where. |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
( recall the nsa room201 lawsuit and how ended ? ) |
| 13:47 |
asciilifeform |
spoiler: verdict of 'national seekoority, and fuckyou' |
| 13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
should be funny to see the same argument brought the other way |
| 13:49 |
asciilifeform |
when chinese tanks on harvard lawn, then i expect yes will brought other way. but not until. |
| 13:50 |
asciilifeform |
freisler, for instance, was 'prosecuting cases' right up until the roof caved in on him |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
everything is eventually brought the other way. |
| 13:55 |
deedbot |
http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-august-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), August 2018 Statement |
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| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, yes BingoBoingo has it, the "expert witness" is perhaps the prime manner through which pantsuit state maintains both pretense of justice and pretense of its own relevancy. judge judges "correctly" on "the basis of evidence" and "evidence" is carefully curated. ye olde "toxic facts / fake news" approach to utopianism. |
| 17:01 |
* |
asciilifeform saw with own eyes ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601575 ) |
| 17:01 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-01-11 19:02 asciilifeform: phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense |
| 17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
did you throw it all out ? |
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| 17:06 |
nicoleci |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848018 i don't get it, are you saying women can't be policemen? |
| 17:06 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you recall the complaint of the police a few years ago that "you've got all these written exams, now we're stuck making police agents out of girlies, god help us" ? |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not speaking to female capacity ; women can certainly be my enforcers to great benefit, for instance. but as far as the "ourdemocracy" state is concerned, women very much can't be useful policemen ; not just because of the obvious http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif but also because say http://trilema.com/2010/poveste-neadevarata/ |
| 17:21 |
nicoleci |
hmm... and now ill have to have someone read that to me.. |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
enjoy! |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the many blessings of illiteracy -- drives one to make friends, for instance. |
| 17:26 |
diana_coman |
nicoleci, it might help to start looking at it from the other end: figure out what makes an effective policeman in the given context, compare it with what the "exam" actually tests even in the best case and then see how it fits otherwise with reality in the field; then again, I guess finding someone to read that 1 post might be faster at least |
| 17:32 |
nicoleci |
diana_coman, ahh good point. ill keep that in mind, if i ever do find someone who can read the text |
| 17:43 |
BingoBoingo |
!!up idint Quien es Usted? |
| 17:43 |
deedbot |
idint voiced for 30 minutes. |
| 17:43 |
idint |
hola soy Mario |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 17:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Hola, como andas? |
| 17:44 |
idint |
muy bien |
| 17:44 |
idint |
y usted? |
| 17:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Por que estás acá? |
| 17:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Estoy tranquilo |
| 17:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Tomé un leccion de Español esta tarde |
| 17:45 |
idint |
vale |
| 17:45 |
idint |
vi este canal en btcbase |
| 17:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Que bien. Que otras idiomas hablas? |
| 17:46 |
idint |
ingles y portugues |
| 17:46 |
BingoBoingo |
De donde sos? |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo is there a #bingo ? |
| 17:46 |
idint |
madrid |
| 17:47 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: There is, #agriculturalsupremacy |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
if you don't mind... |
| 17:49 |
BingoBoingo |
idint: Do you have any questions for the group? Otherwise we can carry out the getting to know you chat in #agriculturalsupremacy |
| 17:51 |
idint |
yes i am concerned about privacy questions and would like to know what's this channel is about |
| 17:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Topic: You have reached the public forum of The Most Serene Republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the creation of a safe space for the elites to productively defect to, leaving the pantsuit stranded behind. If you'd like to help see http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ . This channel is logged. |
| 17:53 |
idint |
should i stay on this channel if i am interested? |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
not really. |
| 17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
teh age of "hi i am mario of so-and-so fiat concern" ended sometime this summer. talk to a lord, make yourself useful, #trilema is not open to the general public. |
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| 18:01 |
idint |
ah okay, i understood what's you're about, just another typical deliberate cunts found on freenode. |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 18:11 |
nicoleci |
mircea_popescu, I can believe that a couple of rentacops sucked you off, but if it is not a true story - as you said (even in the title), then how does it all connect? |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
if it were presented as a "true" story, like so many other items actually so presented on trilema, with documentation unassailable and so on, then it'd have counted for what, an anecdote ? |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
as it is presented, an "untrue" story, it counts as what ? a myth ? |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
neither anecdotes nor myths are a practicable basis for science ; but they're as fine a basis as there could be had for discussion. |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << updated, for the minutely minded. |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848124 << sure did. story is in the l0gz somewhere. |
| 18:16 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 21:01 mircea_popescu: did you throw it all out ? |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ha! pretty cool story. |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
of course in usa 'hung jury' simply means that usg gets to rinse & repeat until desired result |
| 18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile draining "defendant". |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
usually broke by end of 1st run. |
| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
( supposing he had any moneys to start with, which is nearly unheard of ) |
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| 19:55 |
asciilifeform |
in other noose, trad-gentoo's crossdev is completely rotten nao, tries to build glibc-2.27 (which is broken, as it won't build with any version of 'ld' i was able to find, full stop) EVEN WHEN YOU CROSSDEV ....linux-musl !! |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
tsk. |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. i was not able to build uboot on ANY of my boxen, even on the toilets where gcc5+ exists |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
good thing you have them. |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
even on the specially-designated toilet with gcc8 etc |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i had'em for the ice40 thing, which demands such horrors as python3 etc |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: spiffy new subj line btw. |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm just being intolerable for the sake of it. "good thing you have them, they don't work." |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's collection of dun-works rivals that of any junkyard. |
| 19:59 |
asciilifeform |
( and apparently growing, as 'progress' marches on ) |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this is pioneering internet work, as far as i know never before seen. 1. "here are your options" "omfg i am a special snowflake i won't take any of those" ; 2. "you have no options" "omfg i shoulds have some options!!" "you had." |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
about as common experience of the contemporary mind as gods walking the earth. |
| 20:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: hollywood had it before, in 'no, mr bond! we expect you to DIE!!' |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
did he die ? |
| 20:01 |
asciilifeform |
sadly not |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
then not had. |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
!Q later tell trinque how does cuntoo's work, does it have a 'vmerge' tree where e.g. ave1 can stuff his gnat, etc ? cuz that would rock. |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
err |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
hmm lobbes bot down ? |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
not here at any rate. it's in #eulora tho |
| 20:07 |
asciilifeform |
upstack, https://archive.is/WMoLv (warning: entomologists only) << the how&why of uboot 'gcc5+ only' idjicy. tldr: gcc5 silently broke uboot on arm. so the latter was 'fixed' so as to... ONLY gcc5+. in the now-customary way. |
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| 20:08 |
asciilifeform |
as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 lemma. |
| 20:08 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible". |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
could just use older ver ? of uboot i mean. |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
inescapably must. |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
but will have to saw off the board support for rk3399, and weld onto it somehow. |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
really i fucking hate uboot, it is a ridiculously overmovingparted crock of shit |
| 20:11 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: whatcha mean by vmerge tree? |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i picture something like emerge, but has own package set, consisting of vtrees |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
presses, installs systemwide |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
eventually we napalm the old portage/emerge. |
| 20:12 |
trinque |
no, that's way too ambitious for first release. first release is just a vtronic ebuild tree |
| 20:12 |
trinque |
but that's certainly the way to go |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
aite |
| 20:13 |
* |
trinque is hamstrung on some irl items atm, but will be working towards release this weekend if not sooner. |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/843954/ << dec '17, the moment of liquishitification |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
'Move the warning to an error as we have been promising would happen in this release. Signed-off-by: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>' |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ for mircea_popescu's list. |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
why ty. |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"Linux is the de facto standard operating system kernel at the core of leading products. Konsulko Groups experience in embedded Linux architecture, development, build/CI, QA, and maintenance will help you speed your Linux-based products to market." |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sad sadnesses abound. |
| 20:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there's nuffin left in the old wood but the termites, and this ^ is what they look like. quite typical. |
| 20:32 |
asciilifeform |
btw interestingly, the most recent uboot ~builds~ on ave1's gnat, if one comments out the boobytrap. ( whether the resulting turd ~runs~, i do not yet know, but it builds without eggog) |
| 20:32 |
mod6 |
Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, the ML is back up and running. I just want to formally post the State of Bitcoin Address for August: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000309.html |
| 20:32 |
asciilifeform |
oh hey |
| 20:33 |
mod6 |
In other news: Today is BingoBoingo's first day as Pizarro Manager. Congrats to him! We'll be working closely together to ensure a smooth transition over the next few months. |
| 20:33 |
mod6 |
He has accepted the rate of 1 BTC per year for this role. |
| 20:35 |
mod6 |
!Qcalc ((1/12)*5) |
| 20:35 |
mod6 |
!Qcalc (1/12)*5 |
| 20:36 |
mod6 |
So that's: 0.41666667 BTC |
| 20:38 |
mod6 |
I propose that's what we pay ben_vulpes for his services; five months, February through June. And, I propose a possible consulting fee for his assistance on the books going forward. |
| 20:39 |
mod6 |
We have set a price point for the month at Pizarro as well, that price is: $6745 USD/BTC |
| 20:40 |
mod6 |
BingoBoingo will begin sending out invoices within 24 hours, for the month of September. If you need a price quote before they go out, I can arrange that. |
| 20:40 |
mod6 |
The exception will be, I will invoice BingoBoingo myself as one can not invoice himself (at least, I don't think you can)? |
| 20:41 |
mod6 |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848048 << >D |
| 20:41 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:57 mircea_popescu now regrets he didn't get whole.crub |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine one could. |
| 20:42 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: ah, well, I'll have him give it a try then. |
| 20:42 |
mod6 |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848012 << I lel'd |
| 20:42 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 16:40 asciilifeform: there are reportedly folx who want to somehow 'be' horses, or dogs, etc. also. |
| 20:43 |
mod6 |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847939 << np. thanks for the update. |
| 20:43 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-05 14:21 asciilifeform: mod6: i have not forgotten your item; currently drowning in saecular liquishit, but expecting to get to it today |
| 20:43 |
mod6 |
diana_coman: nice pics |
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| 21:00 |
mod6 |
Also, another bit of news: I've completed a draft of the Pizarro report. We're needed three more pieces of information and a second pair of eyes for review before it can be published. We're on it. |
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| 21:22 |
mod6 |
Also in the news, Pizarro has fully paid the "Wildcat Bonus" to BingoBoingo. The remainder was $2500. This has been shown on Pizarro statements in the "Fiat Liabilities" table. It will appear on the August statement as well. The payment was made September 1st. So look for that line to come off the fiat liabilities table when the September report is posted in early October. |
| 21:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Can confirm |
| 21:30 |
mod6 |
Hey! |
| 21:30 |
mod6 |
How we doin with the drive shipment btw? |
| 21:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Paperwork done, oping for it this week |
| 21:42 |
mod6 |
very nice, thank you in advance. |
| 21:49 |
mod6 |
!!sent-invoices |
| 21:49 |
deedbot |
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QrqXS/?raw=true |
| 21:54 |
mod6 |
!!ledger |
| 21:54 |
deedbot |
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KgfE7/?raw=true |
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| 22:14 |
ben_vulpes |
so mod6 you want to pay me for services already rendered? |
| 22:16 |
mod6 |
That's what I was thinking ya. So instead of 1 BTC for a whole year, as previously agreed, we'd pay ya for the months that you served. |
| 22:16 |
mod6 |
And going forward, we'd figure out a price upon which you could consult. |
| 22:16 |
mod6 |
Does that seem fair? |
| 22:16 |
ben_vulpes |
not that i want to not get paid, but i don't recall a previous agreement |
| 22:17 |
mod6 |
Really? I'm almost certain that somewhere we said 1 BTC for doing the manager role. |
| 22:17 |
* |
mod6 looks |
| 22:18 |
ben_vulpes |
it's a sticky position, being stuck between my jewish scruples and having zero desire to ding the isp pointlessly. |
| 22:18 |
ben_vulpes |
should probably just take the loot lest anyone accuse me of virtue signaling! |
| 22:19 |
mod6 |
Oooh, I see what it is. In the charter you were to be assigned 100`000 SSW at a per share price of 0.00001 BTC each. |
| 22:21 |
mod6 |
Hmm, well, I didn't want to just leave it out there forever, unanswered either. So, let me know what you want to do, and we'll discuss in here. |
| 22:22 |
mod6 |
Take your time, doesn't have to be immediately or anything. |
| 22:22 |
ben_vulpes |
mod6: trying to give away btc or what |
| 22:24 |
ben_vulpes |
mod6: i'm pretty sure that we're all squared up. |
| 22:24 |
mod6 |
No, not at all. I just don't want it to go unanswered either. For insance, it'd be fine with me (asciilifeform?) to simply just take 41`666 shares instead. mircea_popescu can we do that? |
| 22:24 |
mod6 |
*for you to just take |
| 22:25 |
ben_vulpes |
nono, warrants are the right to purchase shares from the corporation at a price. |
| 22:25 |
mod6 |
oh i'm cocking this all up arnt i. |
| 22:25 |
ben_vulpes |
should i exercise them, the corporation takes in the btc i pay for them and adds them to the cap table. |
| 22:25 |
ben_vulpes |
i believe it's topologically identical to a call option that doesn't expire with a strike price of the "per share price". |
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| 22:26 |
mod6 |
Ok, so we're alright then eh - just wanna leave 'em on there. |
| 22:26 |
mod6 |
I kinda had forgotten that we did shares. Just had it in my mind that we owed you 1 BTC as of Feb 1. or something. |
| 22:27 |
ben_vulpes |
not as far as i can recall. |
| 22:27 |
mod6 |
yeah, it was the SSWs. Totally forgot. |
| 22:27 |
mod6 |
Sorry for the bother. |
| 22:28 |
mod6 |
That makes it easy anyway :D |
| 22:28 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm mock offended at the notion i'd let a liability kick around off sheet |
| 22:31 |
mod6 |
lol |
| 22:37 |
mod6 |
I'd like to commend ben_vulpes on his instructions that he gave to Pizarro for how to do the monthly report. It really got me through it -- and made it easy. |
| 22:38 |
mod6 |
It took some time, and I don't even begin to claim that I know -everything-, but I'm learning each time, and getting better at it. Kuddos to him for doing that. |
| 22:38 |
ben_vulpes |
once you understand double entry accounting it's not so difficult; glad the documentation made your life easier. |
| 22:38 |
mod6 |
Much appreciated! |
| 22:38 |
mod6 |
o7 |
| 22:47 |
mod6 |
im so hungry i could eat a sandwich from the gas station |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 you can do whatever you two want. |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, a ssw assignment is not the same as a cash payment. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-06#1848266 << minus a whole pile of tax wank, just about. |
| 22:51 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-06 02:25 ben_vulpes: i believe it's topologically identical to a call option that doesn't expire with a strike price of the "per share price". |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, you want to pro-rate his warrants, you can do that. you want to kick them off the sheet altogether, "didn't complete a term", you can also do that. you want to let them ride, "whatever, he can have the lot", you can also do that. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
lotta flexibility in your hand. |
| 22:53 |
mod6 |
Thanks for the info and consideration, Sir. |