Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2017-01-11 | 2017-01-13 → ↓
00:33 davout https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2017-01-12/?msg=79232562&page=1 <<< lulz
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02:13 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/01/trump-to-cnn-spammer-you-are-fake-news/ << Qntra - Trump To CNN Spammer: "You Are Fake News"
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03:56 ben_vulpes per asciilifeform's request, mimisbrunnr now reports time between blocks: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#355
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05:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU)
05:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3870...6143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU)
05:07 davout asciilifeform: does the CLHS exist as a single-page HTML doc ?
05:08 davout it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person
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05:08 davout also phf ^
05:12 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1521...7407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
05:12 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A60D82C28B7736C6632209997E898A87E90F7170CB30C011040797B6CD54528C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.193.77.53 (ssh-rsa key from 103.193.77.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
05:12 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...7777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
05:12 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F70AEA883A2E9061549FCFD51F3C94CDBB73816DBB1AB8CB985E1F8FC9476B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1747...6033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.56.235.202 (ssh-rsa key from 103.56.235.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
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05:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64)
05:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA047A1DC3B4DD0A2254C9274AB5B4A4B5AECD404AE95EEEE0DE227113F35E1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2974...8743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.230.125.74 (ssh-rsa key from 94.230.125.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (840.rt-barnaul-02.dianet.ru. RU)
05:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E17BC3E38DABD1C91A27D226FC57B2ACFEB88E913F4D218985717FDD514FB934 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3075...7897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.16.255.60 (ssh-rsa key from 123.16.255.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static.vnpt.vn. VN 64)
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06:48 Framedragger lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html
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07:06 davout Framedragger: nice find
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07:30 mircea_popescu in other evil rabbit front news, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB4NQwGW0AAlEsw.jpg
07:34 Framedragger hahaha little albert experiment meets david lynch
07:34 mircea_popescu >D
07:38 mircea_popescu Framedragger lol there you do deanonimizing trilema readership :D
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08:11 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601798 << the usual thing is to create an editor keybinding that launches the hyperspec page at cursor, something like hyperspec.el or helm-dash
08:11 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 10:08 davout: it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person
08:12 * trinque has a left-alt (which is rebound to hyper) + d binding that pops up docs for w/e language
08:13 davout trinque: no, i just want to read the thing, not necessarily in the context of needing info about some particular bit
08:17 trinque ah k
08:21 davout after reading #chainstate my conclusion is that mircea_popescu would enjoy ruby very much!
08:22 trinque o lawd
08:22 mircea_popescu lol and whyssat davout ?
08:23 davout string manipulation just seemed very painful
08:23 mircea_popescu well, a large part of the problem is that strings aren't something.
08:23 mircea_popescu ie, the veterans' objections couldn't be dismissed.
08:24 davout yeah, of course
08:24 mircea_popescu on which basis i enjoy ruby a lot less.
08:25 davout the point is simply that it bundles a good bit of convenience
08:25 davout which may or may not be a good thing depending on the particular point of view
08:26 davout either way, the repl looks pretty nifty
08:27 mircea_popescu the objection is that it bundles incorrect convenience, which is NEVER a good thing. link here to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599790
08:27 a111 Logged on 2017-01-09 15:10 mircea_popescu: this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are.
08:28 davout what distinguishes correct from incorrect convenience ?
08:28 mircea_popescu anyway, i quite enjoyed flailing for definitions once i realised what the problem was (you can tell i move to arrays at some point in a desperate bid etc)
08:29 mircea_popescu davout something (convenience, anything else) is correct if it scales, which is to say is derived from the prime mover. anything else - incorrect.
08:29 mircea_popescu sinful is also a proper attribute of incorrectness, because it is literally a headless spawn of the very devil.
08:30 davout not sure i really get what you mean by "it scales"
08:30 davout if you bundle lots of shit, it quickly becomes unmanageable
08:31 davout because all abstractions and conveniences have a cost
08:32 mircea_popescu not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys to prime logic. broken shit can't do that.
08:34 davout what's "prime mover" in this context?
08:34 mircea_popescu possibly your idea of "scales" is tainted by the idiots, "to scale means to be used by a larger cattle headcount". that has nothing to do. to scale means to go up the abstraction tree. an apple is a correct apple if it scales, ie, if the concept of apple follows from it.
08:35 mircea_popescu literally the aristotelian imperative. the first thing to have moved.
08:42 davout it's still not very clear to me how the ability to manipulate string a bit more easily is equivalent to heresy
08:43 davout would the same functionality, included in cl's standard be deemed heretic?
08:46 mircea_popescu "it's not clear to me how the ability to manipulate something you can'd define is equivalent to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 "
08:46 a111 Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
08:47 mircea_popescu all you need is a false implication somewhere, davout ; ANYWHERE. once you have it then everything becomes provable.
08:47 asciilifeform davout: notice that it ~wasn't~ included!
08:47 asciilifeform 'if your grandmother had balls...'
08:47 davout asciilifeform: i do
08:49 davout strings defined as byte vectors is pretty unambiguous
08:49 mircea_popescu yes but now define ruby's notion of substr
08:50 asciilifeform davout: cl chars ain't bytes
08:50 mircea_popescu see the whole point of "string" as a concept (and from it, as a type) is based on a fundamental ambiguity. now it's this, now it's that.
08:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's an anti-helpful objection.
08:50 asciilifeform davout: nor null-termed, nor contiguous in memory
08:51 davout mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see that particular ambiguity
08:51 mircea_popescu i know. i hadn't seen it until yesterday either.
08:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is in fact useful to remember that the 'convenience' of cstring is == to the 'convenience' of shitting on the floor where you stand
08:52 mircea_popescu this is something you can remember only if you already groked it.
08:52 asciilifeform tru
08:53 davout mircea_popescu: #chainstate ref plox?
08:55 Framedragger inb4 cross-channel reference and search system!!
08:55 mircea_popescu there's two points. one, where i saw it at the periphery and feared it may be a thing, which made me pretty pissy : http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1340 and then http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1374 as the issue was structuring in my head. then of course the closing comments early today morning, http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#323 as the thing couldn't actually be dismissed.
08:56 mircea_popescu if you look through the log it's pretty evident alf understands exactly what the problem is, in spite of his deeply boneheaded, inept self-expression. which sadly makes it evident only retrospectively.
08:57 mircea_popescu then again how to speak truth to clueless is a quite open problem in the first place.
09:00 mircea_popescu but that's why he speaks of socialism and getting for free and etc.
09:06 davout asciilifeform: the reason some of the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is that they're O(n)? In other words, that the convenience comes at the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy?
09:07 mircea_popescu vice-versa : they have to cost that, because they're stuck papering over the fact that the operator has no idea what he wants.
09:07 asciilifeform well, for starters, much worse than O(n)
09:07 asciilifeform but mircea_popescu nails it.
09:08 mircea_popescu the computer doesn't in the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather than by uncomprehended accidenty.
09:08 mircea_popescu which is altogether not an unreasonable bar for all slavery.
09:09 asciilifeform this is main reason why haskell and other 'lazy eval' systems are malignant
09:09 asciilifeform they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones
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09:10 mircea_popescu mistreating the slaves is the ruin of the house.
09:13 davout right.
09:13 mircea_popescu don't tell me all this nonsense now makes sense to you ?
09:13 davout i see your point mucho better
09:14 mircea_popescu well then.
09:16 davout not sure what asciilifeform means in his last comment
09:17 asciilifeform which, davout ?
09:17 davout mircea_popescu: i see the point in general, but i'm not sure i'd take it as far as considering some additional string primitives as being evil
09:17 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601874
09:17 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 14:09 asciilifeform: they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones
09:18 mircea_popescu well, entirely depends on your definition of evil, but the point remains they're not helping you, they're just smothering you.
09:18 mircea_popescu aka "you can get some version of what you possibly wanted done very easy at the cost of understanding what you actually wanted or what the hell's the differece."
09:18 asciilifeform davout: in some programming systems, it is very easy to inadvertently ask the machine to solve an np-hard problem. and for 0 good reason, other than that making such a language stroked academitard cocks
09:18 mircea_popescu cue ballas with his "there's a difference between what you need and what you want, and the media will relentlessly give you strings"
09:20 davout asciilifeform: ic
09:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's very symbolically imperial, also. the language of "rights" and "rule of law" makes it trival to start a "war on drugs" or "women against rape". then the state ends and everyone is at a loss why the fuck it did.
09:21 asciilifeform in other languages, e.g., python, ruby, there is a lesser sin, you end up stuffing multitude of O(n) ops in places where you oughta have O(1), O(n^2) ops where with some thought you could've had O(n), etc. and the braindamage adds up
09:21 davout mircea_popescu: yea, i guess the question is where you stop. at which point do you decide that you're going to buy these apples instead of growing them, because ultimately you want an apple pie
09:21 davout asciilifeform: yes
09:22 mircea_popescu davout no, not really, because i buy ~apples~. your question would be "at which point you stop buying canned frozen fruit tm for your apple pie". anyone may give his own answer, but in my case it's long, long ago.
09:22 mircea_popescu and yes i plant my own lovage, in buenos aires, because the plant doesn't exist and "soup condiment mix" doesn't satisfy.
09:24 asciilifeform davout: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144404199547949@naggum.no.html << from 6th paragraph, with the 'swamp water'
09:24 * davout shall read
09:26 asciilifeform '...suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest. you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the
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09:26 asciilifeform ll that right away after you made up your mind to veer off the road, and This Is Surely Somebody's Fault...'
09:27 mircea_popescu fwiw i wasn't terribly impressed with that particular statement.
09:27 asciilifeform (piece was not about strings, but another 'need' vs 'want', but otherwise very similar idea)
09:27 mircea_popescu actually, let me restate it in a form i better like!
09:28 mircea_popescu i now have to start writing an article IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING AN ARTICLE. damn you all!
09:28 asciilifeform lel
09:28 Framedragger "so you have two tits right"
09:29 mod6 mornin'
09:29 Framedragger o/
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09:44 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ <
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10:02 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ << Trilema - The General Brendan Eich, JWZ
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11:02 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/why-politicians-dont-ever-do-anything-for-the-people-a-model/ << Trilema - Why politicians don't ever do anything for the people, a model
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11:28 asciilifeform in other lulz, disinfo farms working overtime, https://cryptome.org/2017/01/Steele-Trump.pdf ( no, does not exist as human text, full of scan-of-scan nonsense, but quite hilarious )
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11:50 pete_dushenski in fiat-btc news, http://beijing.pbc.gov.cn/beijing/132005/3230072/index.html http://shanghai.pbc.gov.cn/fzhshanghai/113571/3230012/index.html
11:50 pete_dushenski "For the recent abnormal operation of Bitcoin trading platform, on January 6 the People's Bank of China Business Management Department, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Financial Affairs jointly met with the relevant regulatory authorities of the "currency network", "currency" and other major currency trading platform responsible person, Understand the operation of the platform, suggesting that the possible
11:50 pete_dushenski legal risks, policy risks and technical risks, requiring their business conduct must be in compliance with relevant laws and regulations and strictly carry out self-examination and related rectification.
11:50 pete_dushenski "
11:51 pete_dushenski from related msm piece, “We’ve been meeting with them regularly over the last two to three years. The only difference is that they talked about it this time,” Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, the world’s largest exchange by trading volume over the past month, told the Financial Times. “I think their intent is to remind the world, ‘The PBoC is on top of this. Don’t let the price go
11:51 pete_dushenski crazy’. That’s their prerogative.” "
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12:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601807 << i looked at his recent pieces, what a massive load of americanized 'misesian', 'randroid' claptrap. mega-snoar.
12:25 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 11:48 Framedragger: lulzy: https://sergiobossi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html
12:25 asciilifeform complete with taleb's cockstroking.
12:27 asciilifeform in late 19th c. usa, the land of p.t. barnum & co, there was a (one of many) mass-hysteria crackpotteries, an obsession with 'properly chewing your food before you swallow it.' complete with maxims such as the unforgettable 'nature shall castigate those who don't masticate!' the hayek, rand, etc. folx reminds me of nothing more than of this.
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12:42 asciilifeform !~later tell ben_vulpes how does mimisbrunnr compute the tslb ? (is it the time block was received on your box ? or some other..?)
12:42 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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13:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: blockchain dot com, ofc
13:04 ben_vulpes no i kid, it's the time at which the node shits ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
13:04 ben_vulpes into its logs.
13:11 ben_vulpes there is some lag between when it learns about a block and when it reports it to irc, as it dumps and parses blocks, but it reports the logged timestamp accurately to the best of my knowledge.
13:23 jurov http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra
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13:26 trinque holy shit, I just considered making a joke that they should have seeds in them.
13:27 trinque incidentally mats, catch any of the mattis confirmation hearing? sounded to be about 50% "but what about the womens and gays?!" before I turned it off.
13:29 * trinque welcomes the lulz of the transgendered, seed shooting us.mil of the 21st century
13:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aaaah, so there were not necessarily any blox mined in 3sec.
13:42 asciilifeform but only the familiar blackhole-catchup-blackhole-catchup cycle.
13:44 trinque https://www.rt.com/viral/373450-robot-kill-switches-status/ << in other delusional jackoffs
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14:14 Framedragger /msg scriba archivestats
14:14 Framedragger blergh. sorry.
14:18 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu while sleeping i had a thought re http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function and my earlier attempt thereof likewise : that the thing may not in fact be ~collision-resistant~ (it may not be so difficult to take an arbitrary desired output and find a tape that hashes to it.)
14:18 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:19 asciilifeform then again, traditional hash algos 'solve' (i.e. pretend to solve) this by 'every sub-op of hashing affects all output bits' which is largely promisetronic.
14:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ah, yeah. less than useful i suppose then if it's mostly an indicator of node state.
14:32 ben_vulpes for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
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14:57 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://threatpost.com/shadowbrokers-bid-farewell-close-doors/123047/
15:10 asciilifeform meanwhile, in völkischer beobachter , https://archive.is/Xztp7 >> 'In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections. ... Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence
15:10 asciilifeform information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15 ...'
15:18 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 'figthing machines'
15:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe. show me ?
15:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't have a proggy written, but the general idea is not monumentally arcane -- you simply work backwards
15:30 mircea_popescu from what ?
15:30 asciilifeform from the output with which you want a collision.
15:30 asciilifeform elementarily.
15:30 mircea_popescu but you have neither S nor M.
15:30 mircea_popescu you try all possible combos ?
15:30 asciilifeform nope
15:31 asciilifeform when you look for a hash collision, your goal is to find ~some~ M that produces the particular desired R.
15:31 asciilifeform (to use the nomenclature in mircea_popescu's piece strictly)
15:31 mircea_popescu in my own mind it's about as strong re this as otp, "you can get any message you want back out", but admittedly that's mostly self infatuation
15:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes.
15:31 asciilifeform if you can find ~any~ collision, the hash is broken.
15:31 mircea_popescu well, it's not collision resistant, yes.
15:31 asciilifeform so quite useless.
15:32 asciilifeform you gotta have collision resistance, for almost any practical application.
15:32 asciilifeform otherwise it reduces to a fancy crc32.
15:33 asciilifeform (consider one especially disastrous meltdown: in the merkle tree variant of lamport's signature scheme, you are hashing over RNG output. so if ANY collision whatsoever can be found, the enemy can forge signatures at will.)
15:33 asciilifeform in other cases collisions need some form of structure to be useful, but this is only mild consolation.
15:33 * asciilifeform brb, food
15:34 ben_vulpes in other usg scientism: https://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/roke/5-1/roke.2017.01.08.xml
15:34 mircea_popescu well no food for you yet, you just drew some generalities.
15:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601928 << when copper's too good, and plastic just good enough!
15:42 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 18:23 jurov: http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra
15:42 mircea_popescu maybe they should shoot some flaming ice for a change.
15:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601941 << this is a useful record in that one can take the list of mimisbrunnr , which exists timestampted in chan, and compare to list of blockchain.info for instance, see what dt is involved. sum it up over 10k blocks or whatever
15:44 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 19:32 ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
15:45 ben_vulpes more of an open ended research project than "production blockchain api replacement"
15:45 mircea_popescu ty ben_vulpes
15:45 ben_vulpes aha
15:46 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599758 << i have trouble reconciling the obvious correctness of this statement with the ballooning of complexity in eg webtech
15:46 a111 Logged on 2017-01-09 14:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity.
15:46 mircea_popescu re the "research project" : the data's there. if anyone cares, can go use it ; if not cares, not cares. either way problem solved.
15:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes webtech is not a system with multiple agents.
15:47 mircea_popescu monoagent systems can and usually do explode in complexity. it's called solipsist mania / psychosis.
15:47 mircea_popescu kinda why solitary confinement is thought to cause insanity.
15:47 ben_vulpes yeah or why every day i come home there's some gorgeous new socialist propaganda to scour off the walls
15:48 mircea_popescu right, the soviets had the same issue, their ideology became ever more windingly complex.
15:48 ben_vulpes who is the monoagent in webtech? i see a zillion "dev", "companies" etc
15:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "the community"
15:48 ben_vulpes (well i meant woman unattended with child for hours on end)
15:50 mircea_popescu lol ok
15:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/gtrl-or-gtfo/ << in other great agains from before the great great again.
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16:40 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: that usg scientism article is a hoot
16:45 ben_vulpes solid chuckles
16:45 pete_dushenski !~ticker
16:45 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 826.21, Best ask: 826.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 826.47, 24 hour volume: 32698.58156695, 24 hour low: 735.0, 24 hour high: 829.8, 24 hour vwap: None
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17:08 Framedragger http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-strangest-people
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17:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121046
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18:01 trinque !!up whaack
18:01 deedbot whaack voiced for 30 minutes.
18:02 trinque wb
18:06 whaack ty! I just finished setting up a bouncer. Re the last time I was here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550381 my ultimate solution was just clearing my .bitcoin I believe and running it again and it did not get stuck. I never figured out why i was stuck
18:06 a111 Logged on 2016-09-29 18:50 mircea_popescu: whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes.
18:07 mircea_popescu aite.
18:08 ben_vulpes whaack: is this a trb node?
18:09 whaack yes
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18:25 mircea_popescu btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
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18:25 mircea_popescu gets around the whole "enemy knows who it's talking to" thing.
18:34 ben_vulpes whaack: TIGHT
18:35 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: neat idea
18:37 mircea_popescu they're not terribly expensive, if you have an automated process can get 10-20 up at all times with a lifetime no longer than 2-4 weeks for less than 1btc/year. experimentally that's the lower margin of enough.
18:41 mircea_popescu from ancient tomes : "organizarea actuala a Serviciului Statisticei Demografice, destinata a fi una din realizarile cele mai perfectionate existente in prezent, s'a putu face in primul rind datorita concursului acordat de catre Fundatiunea Americana Rockefeller, care, prin conventiunea incheiata cu Ministerul Sanatatii, asigura timp the patru ani insemnate fonduri banesti, pina la un procent de 44.39% din totalul fondului de
18:41 mircea_popescu cheltuieli, precum si un ajutor tehnic nepretuit."
18:42 mircea_popescu tl;dr : romanian census 1930 was mostly paid for by the soros foundation of 1930.
18:43 mircea_popescu this included 7 automated punchcard machines, 11 calculators etc.
18:46 pete_dushenski speaking of romanian bits, thanks to the latest trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ and http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ could use translating imo
18:47 Framedragger !$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200
18:47 Framedragger (scheisse)
18:47 mircea_popescu i cant believe i've not translated the two girls one ?!
18:47 pete_dushenski ikr
18:48 pete_dushenski if you have, it doesn't have a trackback at least
18:48 mircea_popescu the 2nd one has a proper source, maybe just read the original ? it's a for-romanian-tards discussion of an english piece
18:48 Framedragger !$ ssh 79.98.25.182 8.8.8.8 79.98.25.200
18:48 scriba ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7
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18:48 ben_vulpes !#s testing production
18:48 a111 22 results for "testing production", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=testing%20production
18:48 scriba ssh banner of 79.98.25.200 as seen on 2016-07-12: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3
18:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he's not a lord yet, dun have a castle, what can he do
18:48 ben_vulpes i regard this vast wasteland of unclaimed irc channels
18:49 ben_vulpes and can only ask myself
18:49 ben_vulpes why
18:49 ben_vulpes here
18:49 mircea_popescu should be a comicv
18:49 Framedragger ^ alright, worx. may not be too terribly useful, but it uses a new l33t backend provided by siphnos.mkj.lt, to be documented later
18:49 ben_vulpes Framedragger: does it run on oleg?
18:50 phf lords of tmsr should have proper attire. something by moebius http://68.media.tumblr.com/2a9f398560cec9d0ddf753a440fafe4f/tumblr_ojakw6ghIS1sndzdgo1_500.jpg
18:50 Framedragger any particular oleg in mind?
18:50 ben_vulpes olegdb!
18:50 Framedragger oleg of novgorod?
18:50 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: one more for your list :) http://trilema.com/2012/succesiunea-civilizatiilor-in-concretetea-lor-materiala/
18:50 Framedragger http://olegdb.org/ << ahahaha :D
18:50 pete_dushenski oleganza!
18:51 mircea_popescu phf to quote from a film i don't recall, "niente coveri, solo corpi di tinere donne"
18:51 Framedragger amazing. (nah uses proper postgres!!11)
18:51 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: fuck that guy, he left the only usable visual git client for os x to rot without releasing the source.
18:51 Framedragger select count(1) from siphnos_scan1 ;
18:51 Framedragger count
18:51 Framedragger ----------
18:51 Framedragger 15399387
18:51 ben_vulpes Framedragger: are you sure you shouldn't be using olegdb?
18:52 Framedragger pete_dushenski: could you update bots page? `/msg scriba help` is up to date nao
18:52 Framedragger ben_vulpes: i'll transition when i am ready for web scale!!
18:52 phf mircea_popescu: that'll require translation
18:52 mircea_popescu i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women
18:53 phf ha
18:53 mircea_popescu (anyone who tried this knows it's entirely impractical)
18:53 pete_dushenski "Trilema hurt my head on-and-off for Nearly a year.Then it hit me like a ton of bricks-shit." << what chrome thinks my en quote would sound like if it were ro then converted back to en.
18:53 Framedragger > Are you guys CS 100 students?
18:53 Framedragger > We were. Never really made it past that.
18:53 mircea_popescu lol wut ?
18:53 Framedragger ^ http://olegdb.org/faq.html
18:53 mircea_popescu ehehe
18:54 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: ya no love lost for oleganza anymore. had some fun chatting and dining with him a few years back but he's still not here so not much hope for him really.
18:54 ben_vulpes "a database for when persistence means turning fsync on"
18:54 pete_dushenski Framedragger: on it :)
18:54 Framedragger many thanks :)
18:55 ben_vulpes i am going to raise my hand and ask a stupid question
18:55 ben_vulpes Framedragger: why did count(1) not return 1?
18:57 Framedragger count() takes "what to return for *every* matching row", basically. "1" is also a thing to return, so it returns >15m of "1"s
18:57 ben_vulpes ah
18:58 ben_vulpes the really funny thing is that i ran a similar query against a table with one row
18:58 Framedragger ahh..yeah it's super unintuitive, i think
18:59 ben_vulpes eh, if i'd done it against a table with two rows it'd have made sense immediately.
19:00 pete_dushenski Framedragger: gtg!
19:02 Framedragger pete_dushenski: ah thanks very much, there's another newly documented command `getarchive` in there, could you include that too, please? :) (no hurries tho, it's not like they're super essential anyway heh)
19:03 phf ben_vulpes: it's a silly convention, because count(anything) would've returned the row count. select count(42) from foo would've returned the same result
19:03 ben_vulpes count(first)
19:03 mircea_popescu people generally do count(*) or such
19:04 ben_vulpes i am now more completely aware of the question's stupidity, thank you all.
19:12 pete_dushenski Framedragger: no worries, it's updated.
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19:16 pete_dushenski !~isup http://danielpbarron.com/
19:16 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down.
19:17 pete_dushenski !$ getarchive http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/
19:17 scriba Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/BYTAJ (this was archived by scriba: yes)
19:22 ben_vulpes https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/9779277632/ << a baby hillary!
19:23 ben_vulpes heh and a case could be made for bill's dong making an appearnace as well
19:27 * pete_dushenski has updated eulora ubuntu wiki with danielpbarron's archived site now that foxybot is part of the stock downloaded package
19:29 * pete_dushenski learned about wiki hyperlinking in the process. it's... different.
19:30 mircea_popescu cool deal.
19:32 * asciilifeform caught up.
19:34 pete_dushenski in other other strange that should've died two decades ago but lives, anyone missing their old apple 'portable' now has a latter day option : https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-predator-21x/preview/
19:37 ben_vulpes featuring ethnic models in gender-bending haircuts!
19:37 ben_vulpes lol detachable numpad wtf monstrosity have you unearthed pete_dushenski
19:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121047
19:38 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i swim in dark waters
19:38 pete_dushenski lotsa "new" shit
19:40 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i just built a heathentron box with very similar specs, for roughly 1/4 the cost
19:40 asciilifeform (and of very similar physical volume and mass.)
19:41 asciilifeform 10k usd for lappy is bizzarroworld.
19:41 asciilifeform (unless the year is 1995 and it's a 'tadpole sparcbook' etc)
19:43 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i am on my own perversely enjoyable swim through the filth atm
19:43 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: and how much time did it take you ? how much of your incomparable expertise did it require ? if little, and you made laptop not desktop, you win.
19:44 ben_vulpes "thirty minutes and ten years"
19:44 pete_dushenski ^^
19:44 pete_dushenski "why is this root canal $1000??!"
19:44 ben_vulpes well no that is bullshit
19:44 ben_vulpes "friends with benefits" ifyaknowhaddayemean
19:45 pete_dushenski lol! ok, let's hear it. why is it bullshit ? because you know an indian guy who will do it in the back of his dirty van ?
19:45 ben_vulpes father in law
19:45 ben_vulpes but close
19:45 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: wtf, didn't make laptop, no
19:45 ben_vulpes but wtf who isn't 2 jumps away from a dentist
19:45 asciilifeform ended up with a thing ~= the size of a breadbox.
19:46 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: heh. my father in law too. girl idem ;)
19:46 pete_dushenski but that still leaves a lotta jews w/o blogs who have no dentist in the fam!
19:46 asciilifeform ~ 35 x 25 x 20 cm.
19:47 ben_vulpes ya fuck 'em, get in the wot
19:47 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: and it took a coupla hours.
19:47 asciilifeform as it always does.
19:47 asciilifeform pretty unremarkable build.
19:48 pete_dushenski for the ignorant, what is remarkable build ? lispmachine on iphone ?
19:48 asciilifeform and srsly, pete_dushenski never had to build pc?!
19:48 pete_dushenski or on vtech lappy ?
19:48 asciilifeform where was he in the 90s
19:48 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ?
19:48 asciilifeform which q. i'm trying to work in order here
19:49 pete_dushenski you set the bar here, not me. i'm genuinely curious what alfatronic 'remarkable build' looks like.
19:49 asciilifeform 'remarkable build' for pc would be, say, water cooling thing made from toyota. ( asciilifeform had this nonsense as a student. )
19:49 pete_dushenski lolk just needed that point of reference. ty.
19:50 asciilifeform at any rate it is about as much of an intellectual exercise as building chair from 'ikea' etc.
19:50 ben_vulpes haha
19:50 asciilifeform you buy the boards, the tin, etc. and they snap together in exactly 1 way.
19:50 asciilifeform the model airplane you glued when you were 5, was harder.
19:51 mircea_popescu wtf are you discussing.
19:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski posted link to $10k x86 lappy. and asciilifeform remarked that it is similar box to what he built for nowhere close to 10k usd.
19:51 asciilifeform file under the 'laptops suck' thread.
19:51 mircea_popescu aite
~ 39 minutes ~
20:31 ben_vulpes https://igoradamenko.github.io/awsm.css/elements.html "div isn't styled because it doesn't have semantic value" << i like this attitude
~ 37 minutes ~
21:09 mircea_popescu so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy.
21:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1794...4017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB)
21:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...4937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB)
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21:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602020 << this is pretty nifty.
21:52 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 23:48 scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7
21:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this.
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21:53 a111 Logged on 2017-01-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
21:54 asciilifeform i.e. dulap will occasionally drop zoolag! and there is currently nothing i can do to force it not to
21:54 asciilifeform (and vice-versa)
~ 15 minutes ~
22:09 mircea_popescu eatblock
22:10 mircea_popescu anyway, the point is mostly block timing / discovery. you can compare when various anon nodes see blocks to evaluate both the network and any hostile activity.
22:12 asciilifeform nifty idea overall.
22:14 mircea_popescu basic tool of bitcoin network intel.
22:22 mircea_popescu aaand happy fri the 13th
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23:12 asciilifeform phf's logtron down??
23:14 BingoBoingo lol, ben_vulpes spent all the effort ridding himself of disposable VPS constructs, and now has problem which suggest leaning on them again
23:15 trinque asciilifeform: works here
23:17 asciilifeform noworky here
23:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1442...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
23:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...1933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
23:34 asciilifeform aaand it's back
23:36 trinque asciilifeform: they were doing an update on your mitmtron, all done now
23:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...1637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
23:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...7073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
23:36 asciilifeform lul
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23:53 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...4983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ)
23:53 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ)
23:54 asciilifeform ^ turda was that salt mine, neh...?
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