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02:23 mircea_popescu i guess i'm like the only english speaker that never indulged in the chem weird ?
02:24 adlai you don't know the half of it, just the other day my ptsdogenic fund paid for my university catharsis
02:25 mircea_popescu heh.
02:27 adlai !up scalpl
02:27 gribble Error: "up" is not a valid command.
02:27 adlai $up scalpl
02:27 deedbot adlai may not $up scalpl
02:27 adlai looks like it's a level-two loop-whole!
02:28 adlai scalpl, having enjoyed mircea_popescu's options emporium during the dying throes of its public trade, will henceforth enjoy the dying throes of vitalik_buterin's nonsense polonium. more news once it actually loses money.
02:29 punkman poloniex?
02:30 adlai yep.
02:31 adlai it's already well along the well trod path - the SCIA has already reported withdrawal difficulties
02:31 adlai although they assured me that my coupla bitcents were safe there, seeing as they're all "investing" double-digit btc in swaps
02:35 adlai these idiots who never heard of functional APIs prefix every side-effect-free call with "return". nuts! https://poloniex.com/support/api/
02:38 adlai sadly my cost basis is already pessimal due to abysmal timing of buying an ethercent to play with before vitalik pooped
02:47 mircea_popescu $up scalpl
02:47 deedbot scalpl voiced for 30 minutes.
02:56 scalpl thank you mircea! i'm alive.
02:59 mircea_popescu lol. enjoe.
03:01 scalpl i'll enjoy this more if people actually start shorting, or longing, or whatevering, this nonexistent fifth element
03:09 scalpl mircea_popescu: how much noise may i make in the channel while voiced?
03:09 adlai "gotta dilute something"!
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08:24 asciilifeform "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)" ('Tokyo, JP') << holyfuq
08:25 mircea_popescu ?
08:25 asciilifeform from phuctor visitor logz
08:25 mircea_popescu yea but... so ?
08:26 asciilifeform so long time no see ie4.
08:26 asciilifeform on win98.
08:26 asciilifeform (or joker pretending to be same)
08:26 mircea_popescu oh oh.
08:26 mircea_popescu not possibru, "mozilla" didn't exist then
08:27 asciilifeform iirc it supported w98
08:27 asciilifeform at some point.
08:28 asciilifeform in other nyooz, libpq refuses to link statically.
08:29 mircea_popescu more nss joys ?
08:29 asciilifeform for no currently detectable reason, even
08:29 asciilifeform just doesn't seem to exist in static variant
08:30 mircea_popescu ;;google libpq
08:31 gribble PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.1: libpq - C Library: <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/libpq.html>; PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.3: libpq - C Library: <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/libpq.html>; GitHub - brianc/node-libpq: Simple, low level native bindings to ...: <https://github.com/brianc/node-libpq>
08:31 mircea_popescu heh.
08:31 mircea_popescu jesus fuck, this fucking cult already.
08:31 mircea_popescu they do EVERYTHING the same way.
08:31 mircea_popescu how is this even possible irl ?!
08:31 asciilifeform 'konsensoos'
08:31 mircea_popescu dude how the fuck.
08:32 mircea_popescu ok, i understand the part where in order to participate in the bizarro cult of whatever the fuck you gotta abandon any possibility of independent thought, even in principle, and preferablty before puberty. fine.
08:32 mircea_popescu HOW THE FUCK do they get them all aligned ?!
08:32 asciilifeform with money ?
08:32 mircea_popescu billions of seemingly normal humans, entirely hollow husks filled with piss, all shambling in the EXACT same direction of the same mecca.
08:32 mircea_popescu what the fuck is in that kaaba stone already!
08:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform money doesn't work like this.
08:33 asciilifeform not mircea_popescu-style money
08:33 asciilifeform rent-and-rice money
08:33 mircea_popescu look : i fucked money, she begged me to stay so she'll cook me breakfast.
08:33 mircea_popescu i know what money does and this ain't it.
08:33 asciilifeform because not same animal!
08:33 mircea_popescu there's only one money.
08:33 asciilifeform turns out not
08:34 mircea_popescu it turns out alright, but yes.
08:34 asciilifeform just like lion is not the same animal to kid staring in the zoo vs kid in africa being chewed
08:34 mircea_popescu but it IS same animal.
08:34 asciilifeform in principle.
08:34 mircea_popescu not a matter of "to". i fucked her. this means i rearranged its essential oils with my penis.
08:35 mircea_popescu like, to guy who fucked lion, lion is same animal. kids at zoo or zamibia irrespective.
08:35 asciilifeform to hunter - same, aha
08:35 asciilifeform to the eaten - not.
08:36 mircea_popescu this is not possibru
08:36 asciilifeform it is the answer to mircea_popescu's riddle of 'why they all walk in same direction' tho.
08:36 mircea_popescu incomprehensibru
08:36 mircea_popescu i shall now retire to meditate upon this most unexpected development.
08:38 * asciilifeform brb, committing unspeakable atrocities for money
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09:34 shinohai https://github.com/timbowhite/botbouncer <<< a javascript extortion bot LOL
09:44 jurov that's actually not so bad idea
09:46 jurov like, my IP got banned by incapsula (some cloudflare ilk) for no discernible reason and all sites that use it just blackhole me. even "pay here" screen would be better than this.
09:52 shinohai Hopefully something a bit more robust however.
09:53 jurov no ennumeration of badness can ever be robust
10:05 mircea_popescu so you mean you want web to work like email does.
10:05 mircea_popescu i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
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10:28 jurov what? email behaves the same way. once you're on blacklist, servers mostly won't bother to inform you
10:29 jurov but email blacklists you can check yourself. no such recourse with incapsula
10:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459281 << killed 'gmail' yet ?
10:33 a111 Logged on 2016-04-29 14:05 mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
10:33 asciilifeform where is the funeral ?
10:34 asciilifeform and recall, they are in the process of the exact same 'embrace & extinguish' for bitcoin, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454505
10:34 a111 Logged on 2016-04-21 12:43 asciilifeform: 'Based on the information I have available to me, it appears that the MIT ChainAnchor Project is in part an attempt to get Bitcoin users to register their real world identities and associate their transactions with those identities. Initially this would be on an opt-in basis, however it appears that ChainAnchor has a longer-term plan to bribe and coerce miners into only mining transactions from registered users, eventually prohibitin
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11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i said "i'll do x before y", has exactly nothing to do with what you're talking about mr. cheapshot
11:16 mircea_popescu jurov wtf ? a) i've been getting offers to "Whitelist" my mail server for the low low price of whatever for a decade now. b) you just said you checked yourself, what do you mean.
11:17 asciilifeform offers from whom? 419 sp4mz0rz ? afaik no organization credibly offers such a thing
11:17 mircea_popescu buncha fucktarded scammers running the concern troll angle, "oh, subscribe to our service to protect yourself from spam"
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform plenty do, including yahoo.
11:17 mircea_popescu ;;google whitelist email server
11:17 gribble The Spamhaus Whitelist: <https://www.spamhaus.org/whitelist/>; Whitelisting website email so it is not rejected as spam - Stack ...: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2629614/whitelisting-website-email-so-it-is-not-rejected-as-spam>; Whitelisting Email Servers and IPs | GoDaddy Email Marketing ...: <https://www.godaddy.com/help/whitelisting-email-servers-and-ips-15910>
11:17 mircea_popescu spamhaus also, apparently. for anyone actually believing the "we are here to halp" angle.
11:17 mircea_popescu which reminds me - wikipedia back to "not advertising", right ?
11:18 * asciilifeform astonished and even more disgusted than previously
11:18 jurov yes a) is irrelevant b) pls reread. you can check why your *email* server onj your IP was blacklisted. you can't easily check what incapsula thinks about the same IP
11:18 mircea_popescu how did you find out ?
11:19 asciilifeform http://stackoverflow.com/a/4817290 << gold
11:19 asciilifeform 'Google does not permit whitelisting!
11:19 mircea_popescu seems to me b works exactly the same way for both services ; and a is irrelevant because you opted to go into blockhead mode as far as that goes.
11:19 asciilifeform '"unlike many other providers that automatically let through all mail from certain senders, making it possible for their messages to bypass spam filters, Gmail puts all senders through the same rigorous checks"'
11:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform at some point i actually had proof yahoo sold the content of inbox to spammers.
11:19 jurov easy. for example https://wiki.kde.org/ hags here, but not throuh proxy. and it resolves to incapsula
11:19 jurov *hangs
11:19 adlai isn't this basically the google business model?
11:20 asciilifeform ^^
11:20 mircea_popescu more or less yes.
11:20 asciilifeform was the only google business model !
11:20 adlai this = selling insider info to spammers
11:20 asciilifeform if yer 'insider info' is plaintext in a mailbox...
11:20 adlai er sorry, i said the dirty word... back to the lulzmines for me
11:29 mircea_popescu anyway. the emai lthing is run 100% like a scam, with some periodicity some derpass "provider" or other randomly blacklists me, starts sending offers, waits 5-6 months or so for complaints to pile in, then un-blacklists me.
11:29 mircea_popescu bout every 18-20 months since at least 2005.
11:29 mircea_popescu "business", as america understands the term.
11:30 asciilifeform complaints?!
11:30 mircea_popescu well someone somewhere isn't getting his mail.
11:31 asciilifeform normally this someone doesn't ~know~
11:31 mircea_popescu back when i was younger i'd actually crusade to get various "customers" to terminate the arrangement. worked about as well as anything involving teh consumertard works.
11:31 asciilifeform (and if you only talk to known folks who have strong relations with you, it is unclear to me why to use email)
11:31 adlai wait, isn't the goal of email to "inbox less"? i thought not getting mail was the whole point?
11:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sooner or later they figure out, some at least.
11:32 adlai clearly the hashcash targets are too low, somebody get bitcoin-godpapa on the phone!
11:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: back when i was doing the robot thing, i (far too late) learned that we lost at least one strong lead solely on account of 'spam' filters.
11:33 mircea_popescu true olympian sez : "strong".
11:33 punkman maybe that is why all the ustards are always on "a call" or scheduling one?
11:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'strong' in the very bare bones sense in that it was a convo with someone who actually ~had~ the machine
11:34 asciilifeform (rarity)
11:34 mircea_popescu aha.
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12:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://stackoverflow.com/a/17330725 << moar lelz
12:08 shinohai Dafuq
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13:16 mircea_popescu "modern" eh ?
13:16 mircea_popescu ;;ud modern
13:16 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Modern | Modern, in this respect, suggests a person, commonly a female, and more commonly of Sino-Asian lineage, who accepts, or at least doesn't readily condemn, ...
13:16 mircea_popescu i must have missed the memo redefining "modern" as shitpiss.
13:16 mircea_popescu fucking amodernicans.
13:20 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pete’s guide to investing in cars. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/29/petes-guide-to-investing-in-cars/
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13:35 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess how long grinding 1678436 moduli took
13:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459124 << apparently no-one recalls the x.com thing ? back in the early days of the internet, an unknown derp made an "internet bank" which was promptly owned and lost some money.
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13:35 a111 Logged on 2016-04-29 01:00 mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
13:36 mircea_popescu the ensuing publicity made it worth ~100x what it was worth before, and made peter thiel a vague internet celebrity.
13:36 mircea_popescu which is how the whole thing started.
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let me guess, 90 minutes.
13:38 mircea_popescu o boy teh suspense is killing me.
13:39 asciilifeform doing another run with all 16 cpu
13:40 asciilifeform 1679650 mods.
13:40 asciilifeform brb
13:42 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/y7T
13:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:43 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/ << i lollered the healthly lol of schadenfreunde, for while i loathe the inept orcs i live among, it consoles me to read orcish adventures in the northern lands. you got some grammar issues in teh letter tho.
13:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:53 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu 815.614s (1679650 mods ---> 205 phuctored) but not posted to db yet, this was test.
13:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:54 mircea_popescu ahahaha wtf why so fast!
13:54 asciilifeform because bernsteinatronic.
13:54 mircea_popescu you gotta write the man a letter.
13:54 asciilifeform didntcha invite him here once
13:54 * asciilifeform brb m33333t1ng
13:54 mircea_popescu i dun recall. if i said i did, but anyway. deeds of this nature deserve to be properly congratulated.
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14:11 mircea_popescu in other news nobody cares about, dude walks into a store on bucharest's poshiest street yesterday, pulls out a 10 inch blade and stabs a sales girl, heart and all. love story.
14:16 mircea_popescu oh, and also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3565120/Kim-Jong-pleasure-squad-teenage-virgins-tyrant-forces-troupe-schoolgirls-life-servitude-North-Korea-s-elite.html
14:18 shinohai ^ nice
14:20 mircea_popescu such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"
14:20 mircea_popescu "here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
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14:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: factors appear to be correct superset of old. i'ma hook the thing up to live db tonight.
14:43 mircea_popescu cool. i'm working on a little horror of my own, will rfc teh esteemed lordship later on.
14:45 asciilifeform neato
14:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we can blast the thing nightly (or, perhaps even hourly..)
14:46 mircea_popescu hourly seems fine if it's 15mn sorta thing.
14:46 mircea_popescu epic shit, this.
14:56 asciilifeform eh, bit of a downer to me
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14:56 asciilifeform i was expecting to find moar.
14:56 asciilifeform (this, realize, is a total pairwise gcd, every-at-every)
15:02 asciilifeform gotta make the 'eightball'
15:03 asciilifeform (what i'm calling a synthetic 'rsa key' where modulus is product of 1st N primez)
15:03 asciilifeform oughta knock out some moar.
15:06 asciilifeform (does anyone not grasp why it needs 'eightball'..?)
15:08 * adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
15:08 adlai it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
15:09 asciilifeform $up Apocalyptic
15:09 deedbot Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
15:09 trinque $gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
15:09 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
15:09 trinque Apocalyptic: tried $up lately?
15:09 Apocalyptic thank you, apparently deedbot wasn't correctly fixed as i'm still unable to up myself
15:10 asciilifeform Apocalyptic ought to be able to up
15:10 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: yes just before I asked you
15:10 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/ << rfc diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo mod6 danielpbarron mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf
15:10 Apocalyptic got "21:05 <deedbot> You must be registered."
15:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how does para#2 work ??
15:12 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
15:12 asciilifeform para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
15:12 mircea_popescu phase 1 ? we just feed it a list of ips and root credentials.
15:12 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: i know what it is called
15:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform link for that thing ?
15:13 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: but in our context the primorial has to take the shape of rsa key so the proggy can display it
15:13 Apocalyptic naturally
15:13 trinque $key Apocalyptic
15:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what thing
15:13 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
15:13 adlai mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
15:13 * adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
15:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/eternity/eternity.html << it
15:13 mircea_popescu adlai nothing much.
15:13 mircea_popescu ty
15:14 asciilifeform adlai: i still have the bag full of esp8266
15:15 adlai meshnets, because ip versions can also go to eleven
15:15 mircea_popescu adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
15:16 adlai mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
15:17 adlai (for the judaically challenged - http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1486118/jewish/The-Four-Children-Explained.htm )
15:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
15:17 mircea_popescu im bailing halfway through section 1.
15:17 adlai Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
15:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was not very good, no
15:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally i will confess that your proposal, at least in so far as para#1, was actually the original point of my 'bitcoin in '06' thing
15:18 asciilifeform (which went nowhere)
15:18 asciilifeform but that was precisely what i wanted, yes
15:18 mircea_popescu the better part of P is where it starts doing its own mining bots.
15:19 mircea_popescu the rest is just fluff leading up to it.
15:19 asciilifeform there was another project, which did go somewhere a bit, called 'owner free file system'
15:19 asciilifeform also pertinent
15:19 adlai in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
15:19 mircea_popescu ahahaha this "did go somewhere a bit" thing :D sweet.
15:19 adlai kinda like weeding your garden and drinking your vitamins
15:19 mircea_popescu adlai and why not ?
15:20 adlai because it accelerates graygoo!
15:20 mircea_popescu wotgoo is the point.
15:20 adlai graydy-algo-goo.
15:20 adlai wot doesn't need mining, wot is the solution to the mining bug
15:20 trinque $key Apocalyptic
15:20 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/9c199327-6915-420a-a97f-1189455b8bf4/
15:20 adlai but mining is the solution to the whence-of-trust bug
15:20 mircea_popescu this makes no sense. wut ?
15:20 trinque ok Apocalyptic, try again. I missed a case sensitive -> insensitive.
15:21 adlai it's another blog post from the future, i'll shut up now. let trinqui take over.
15:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://offsystem.sourceforge.net << their ancient www
15:22 diana_coman hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
15:22 mircea_popescu i am actually proposing to remove ability of action from people incapable of controlling such a machine.
15:23 mircea_popescu but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
15:23 mircea_popescu the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
15:23 mircea_popescu rubber bads on the clippers and all.
15:23 asciilifeform we sorta have this re bitcoin.
15:23 diana_coman ah, that sounds better
15:23 mircea_popescu no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
15:24 adlai mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
15:24 asciilifeform as i understand, this is the ancient dream of 'run program nowhere at all but everywhere'
15:24 mircea_popescu adlai the thing needed here does not exist.
15:25 shinohai $rated trinque
15:25 adlai the idea being, running pnodes as seemingly innocent processes on, say, aws/gce/etc?
15:25 deedbot shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
15:25 mircea_popescu the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
15:26 asciilifeform this is trivial until you also want the enemy to not be able to infer which token means, e.g., '+' in reasonable effort
15:26 adlai interesting, extending the homomorphism to the operations themselves
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did say "and never know..."
15:26 asciilifeform then it is called 'indistinguishable obfuscation'
15:26 deedbot [Trilema] Introducing [P]ermanence - http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/
15:26 asciilifeform the lulzy bit is that it is currently my day job, to test schemes for this.
15:27 mircea_popescu not so lulzy as much as coincidental
15:27 mircea_popescu for god teh lord doth not throw dice.
15:27 asciilifeform now, none of said schemes work, but they are all built with braindamaged assumption
15:28 asciilifeform namely, that proggy runs on ~singular box~
15:28 asciilifeform rather than n-of-m net.
15:28 Apocalyptic trinque: works now
15:29 trinque good deal
15:31 mircea_popescu the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
15:31 mircea_popescu defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
15:31 mircea_popescu the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
15:32 asciilifeform elaborate plox
15:32 mircea_popescu the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
15:32 mircea_popescu as long as no P can ever be captured, P makes an unbeatable army.
15:33 asciilifeform gotta define 'subvert'
15:33 mircea_popescu EVEN IF it's "not very useful".
15:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform enemy extracting as much as 1 bit of non-entropy.
15:33 mircea_popescu (this is currently the situation, ftr. all the Ps are dead)
15:33 asciilifeform enemy can simply record the bits passively from a captured node, unless the thing is a ~physical~ fort
15:34 mircea_popescu this recording a) should be detectable and b) should not be useful.
15:34 asciilifeform and if he does this for n of m, whatever the magic n, you've been undetectably owned
15:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this then reduces to 'tamper-proof box'
15:34 adlai the human taboo against theft does bitcoin a poor canary make.
15:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perhaps. i am unsure.
15:36 asciilifeform other observation is that extant hardware is very poorly suited to self-destruct (as in permanently losing bits on demand)
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider a simple scheme : n of m, where every $timeinterval k of m are discarded.
15:36 mircea_popescu now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
15:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in general, i would prefer a version where "destruct" === "abandoned by P".
15:37 mircea_popescu (the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
15:37 asciilifeform with sufficient % of sybil, enemy can reconstruct history
15:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "abandoned by P" might mean "fed spurious data".
15:38 mircea_popescu we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
15:39 asciilifeform sure
15:39 asciilifeform and this is sorta what happens in a bitcoinatron
15:39 asciilifeform (chain forklets)
15:39 mircea_popescu kinda ya
15:39 mircea_popescu not so good tho - it's a tree.
15:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's scheme orthogonalizes into several separate axis
15:40 asciilifeform one is that it is a generalization of bitcoin
15:40 mircea_popescu maybe. does it have to ?
15:40 asciilifeform in fact, same one i originally tried for, and was quite disappointed in bitcoin not being
15:40 asciilifeform but the other is the 'obfuscated' thing
15:43 mircea_popescu anyway. P-G-V-iB and we're getting somewhere.
15:44 asciilifeform the funny part is that there is already a comical nazi version of this
15:44 asciilifeform (urbit!)
15:44 mircea_popescu aha. tmsr might give the clown a 2nd lease on lyf.
15:45 asciilifeform sorta why i followed the project for as long as i did
15:46 asciilifeform it was fundamentally the right idea but implemented with inconceivable degree of braindamage - and - at least in the last few yrs - by the Professionally Sad
15:46 mircea_popescu for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
15:46 asciilifeform more of a sun yatsen
15:46 asciilifeform or hm
15:47 asciilifeform chiang kai-shek.
15:49 mircea_popescu i always kinda liked that guy.
15:49 asciilifeform prolly the most recent leader to boil derps
15:49 asciilifeform in actual pots
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18:14 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
18:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
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19:03 asciilifeform ;;later tell trinque can haz phuctor rss hookup in deedbot plox ?
19:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
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19:37 mod6 hey shinohai: should be something like this `./t.pl ticket.txt pid 18`
19:37 mod6 something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
19:37 shinohai OH ok i didn't use `pid`
19:37 mod6 so if it doens't work right, no big worries.
19:37 mod6 ah, ok.
19:46 shinohai nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
19:47 mod6 hrm. ok will look into it.
19:56 mod6 seems to be fixed on my side.
19:56 mod6 just hang tight, will have something for you to test here shrtly.
20:01 shinohai mkay thanx :D
20:01 mod6 yw, thanks for testing :]
20:08 shinohai it is easily married to an irc bot, i like it
20:20 mod6 yeah, it could be for sure. its early in its life for sure. try this one on for size: http://dpaste.com/2XNKFW4.txt
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20:51 mod6 oh, hrm, a few more changes, I think I fixed the graphs.
20:54 mod6 yah actually, this is pretty cool
20:55 shinohai \o/ that works
20:57 shinohai w/ html O.o
21:01 mod6 just a few, will post the graphs + new code. i had something screwed up in the graphing code.
21:04 shinohai ok.
21:11 mod6 alright.
21:11 mod6 so here is the latest code with the graph fixes: http://dpaste.com/1681XKR.txt
21:11 mod6 you can use the same ticket file
21:11 mod6 and ....
21:12 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
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21:12 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt
21:12 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ticket_graph.html
21:12 mircea_popescu haha check out that stuff!
21:12 mod6 you may need to zoom out a bit to get the full picture on the last one.
21:12 shinohai I was playing with that on my server already LOL ... this is killer
21:13 mircea_popescu mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ?
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21:13 asciilifeform in other nyooz, countdown to phuctoringz!
21:13 mod6 Yeah, i need to play with it a bit more for sure.
21:13 mod6 Hopefully will get some extra time tonight. Still gotta write up the SoBA for april. Eep!
21:13 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt << dude this is epic... more and more of my native tools getting swallowed up by tmsr!
21:13 shinohai the plaintext output and phtml rock
21:14 shinohai tho
21:14 mircea_popescu soon i won't be able to tell the difference! that shit looks exactly like home.
21:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think ima trilema it.
21:14 mod6 :] glad you dig it
21:14 * shinohai drinks to mod6 ... just sparkly but at least i got a napkin.
21:14 mircea_popescu lol
21:15 mircea_popescu yeh doing god's work here mod6
21:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wait till it blowz!
21:16 asciilifeform no more than 20 min prolly.
21:16 mod6 "she's gone from suck to blow"
21:19 asciilifeform 3... 2... 1...
21:20 asciilifeform firing.
21:33 asciilifeform splattering out...
21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Andreas Heimann <Andreas.Heimann@piratenpartei-hessen.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67B53A956C56248022299BE1489190E8B96BB1C707161816375F64BE3AA9AAE1
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21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Konstantin Pisarenko <kpisarenko@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1058B43984FD910A23CE94CC7D3179EE5AA3B0B3F1A3598D73C71C72EEEDE21
21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Richard Monk <rmonk@redhat.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75254628CF9D61D0137B535BDE2860B51836575E4A454589D01BD586E163B445
21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Debarshi Ray <rishi.is@lostca.se>; Debarshi Ray (GNU Developer) <rishi@gnu.org>; Debarshi Ray (GMail Account) <debarshi.ray@gmail.com>; Debarshi Ray (Red Hat Employee) <debarshir@redhat.com>; Debarshi Ray (Fedora Packager) <rishi@fedoraproject.org>; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Developer) <debarshir@src.gnome.org>; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Foundation Member) <debarshir@gnome.org>; Debarshi Ray (Freedeskto
21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize@riseup.net>; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize2009@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
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21:34 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7374458848949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Saeid <zarghani.s@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FD900729BD063FFD5B8CB3D6C7828574ADFE7DF6046F67D7982DF35DFF18EAA
21:34 mircea_popescu o boy.
21:34 mircea_popescu 250+ of these yes ?
21:34 shinohai O.o
21:34 mircea_popescu nice job asciilifeform !
21:34 asciilifeform still jizzing, give it a few min
21:35 shinohai In which phuctor unintentionally dos' deedbot
21:35 mircea_popescu it's not down is it ?
21:36 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Ralf Oltmanns <ralf@it-roxx.de>; Ralf Oltmanns <ralf@oltmanns.name>; Ralf Oltmanns <osm@abo.ist-total.net>; Ralf Oltmanns (Piratenpartei Deutschland Landesverband Bayern) <pirat@oltmanns.name>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/796A75EB3CC04A7E195A0B6F1A9A1B4716C67A59F1CC9ACB8A9B796A1B4AF1D0
21:36 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ms@shingondo.org <ms@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A05889A8F8BA47B362BCD6CA1E020FA879C7BA9E11F8D473C1E7C34B43C3AD2D
21:36 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (GnuPG) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital <shavital@netvision.net.il>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
21:36 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 382252089433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Hofmann <toho89@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187
21:36 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 234397840233775 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'SlowFax <slowfax@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84FDD00AD2E5C818F1D9A7604EA5447CDA456A25B275975C62A2F1AEB4ED42C3
21:36 mircea_popescu o boy. them factors.
21:37 phf is that fresh factors or backlog?
21:37 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 450971566185 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Torsten Ennenbach <torsten.ennenbach@set-sign.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD
21:37 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 8 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'foobarbaz; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7594E6FFC5A7760F47026806103B21B7F26787C2523DC377DCCBB1AA93213EC
21:37 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 459561500779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marco Hien <marco.hien@math.uni-augsburg.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279
21:37 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 459561500779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Karrer <p.karrer@arrowecs.at>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC4ABEF11E1CDD5388467ED4AA132904D2FBFB0D28D820941A1A83B81BBD2E1D
21:37 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 41209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'chiapas; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/564D15E62651166A34A845EA000EC43536024A5B18B0C174B80FB63592CB18F7
21:39 mircea_popescu phf it's the whole bundle. see log, phuctor does whole 1,6mn batch in < 15 minutes now
21:39 phf neat
21:40 asciilifeform updated displayer
21:41 asciilifeform now everybody have phun.
21:41 asciilifeform i'ma add the werker as hourly cron.
21:43 mod6 cool asciilifeform
21:45 asciilifeform now we just need 'eightball'
21:45 asciilifeform (see logz)
21:46 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458577 << i'm moving tomorrow, but i'll work on it in the next week or so. it's in a backlog
21:46 a111 Logged on 2016-04-27 16:44 asciilifeform: do we have a $s yet ?
21:46 asciilifeform i prolly oughta get rid of the retest button, it is meaningless.
21:47 phf (reminded me on account of eightball)
21:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: safe to link to now, etc.
21:50 asciilifeform it isn't going anywhere.
21:50 asciilifeform 'all systems go.'
21:53 ben_vulpes mazel tov, asciilifeform
21:54 asciilifeform ty ben_vulpes
21:55 ben_vulpes i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
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21:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how come
21:59 deedbot [Loper OS] Phuctor is Back! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1639
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22:01 mircea_popescu you done good alfie.
22:01 asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu .
22:01 asciilifeform enjoy
22:01 asciilifeform (enjurl!)
22:01 asciilifeform everybody.
22:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 205
22:04 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-phuctoring/#comment-117158
22:05 asciilifeform and i think it's herr doktor bernstein
22:07 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: bezzletronic short deadline immense scope throwaway internal project for local dropshipper
22:07 asciilifeform ah
22:07 ben_vulpes that apparently only i have a chance at getting out the door in time
22:07 phf $$$
22:07 asciilifeform good luck to ben_vulpes
22:08 mircea_popescu monyz make teh world go round...
22:08 ben_vulpes three weeks ago, "hey team, work looks slow for the forseeable future. everyone take fridays off!"
22:08 ben_vulpes this week "myeah you've got thirty days to codify this business logic up and wrap it up in a webapp"
22:11 deedbot [Trilema] The Phuctoring - http://trilema.com/2016/the-phuctoring/
22:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is list of phucked sorted randomly on each load ?
22:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is, isnnit.
22:12 * asciilifeform will need to massage this later.
22:12 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
22:12 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
22:13 asciilifeform soooooo who wants to prepare the eightball
22:14 asciilifeform so i dun have to.
22:14 asciilifeform can put yer name in the userstring, become phamous!111111
22:14 mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory << when you do that massaging, also perhaps add bernstein to theory page
22:14 asciilifeform aha!
22:15 asciilifeform added!
22:16 mircea_popescu win.
22:16 mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh.
22:22 mircea_popescu entirely unrelated, til stalin actually moslty copied witte.
22:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it did not take necessarily a witte to notice where ru was headed if it did not industrialize (to same place as cn of the time)
22:27 mircea_popescu but the specifics i mean.
22:27 mircea_popescu bleed the peasants, build steel mills is not actually a stalin idea.
22:27 asciilifeform it is originally english !
22:27 asciilifeform 1700s
22:28 asciilifeform long before modern steel, but same pattern.
22:28 mircea_popescu but in 1700 bleeding peasants for any and all reasons was normalcy.
22:28 mircea_popescu this is 1900.
22:28 asciilifeform neh but for this specific reason.
22:28 asciilifeform in other nyooz 2nd werker shot.
22:29 asciilifeform cron worx.
22:29 asciilifeform notice, 'waiting for test' is now ~1000
22:29 mircea_popescu win.
22:30 asciilifeform (new ones are still being pumped in from the old sks parse. about 200k left iirc)
22:34 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D8ED807B602CD59210E8D35C10115A521F5A73F2026A8358E7BD49D358F14B2 >> lulzy >> http://www.servalproject.org << mesh net project, supposedly
22:34 asciilifeform and their key is a random turd.
22:34 mircea_popescu heh
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22:49 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/04/scotus-frcr16_8mad.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/1106D92.txt << quite qntraworthy imho.
22:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:51 asciilifeform most interestingly,
22:51 asciilifeform 'a magistrate judge with authority in any district where activities related to a crime may have occurred has authority to issue a warrant to use remote access to search electronic storage media and to seize or copy electronically stored information located within or outside that district if: (A) the district where the media or information is located has been concealed through technological means; or (B) in an investigation of a vio
22:51 asciilifeform lation of 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5), the media are protected computers that have been damaged without authorization and are located in five or more districts.'
22:52 asciilifeform afaik this was NOT EVEN A CASE RULING
22:52 asciilifeform but plain old decree
22:52 asciilifeform can't recall any such thing in living memory
23:02 mircea_popescu ahahaha they moved it to the magistrate "judge", ie, police court ?
23:02 mircea_popescu stalin'd be proud.
23:03 asciilifeform not only moved
23:03 asciilifeform but pretty much unlimited jurisdiction, formally.
23:03 mircea_popescu ftr, magistrate a) is no judge b) has no authority.
23:03 mircea_popescu magistrate "judge" is a police station bureaucrat. judges exist through congress not through government.,
23:04 asciilifeform l0l possibly in 1950
23:04 mircea_popescu to this very day.
23:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> lol BingoBoingo has quite the log for when he comes back huh. << Not so many lines, but so much information
23:04 mircea_popescu hey, you still have to pay tax in the way and for the reasons "in 1950". nothing changed.
23:04 asciilifeform nothing but the diameter of the broomstick
23:05 asciilifeform from cm to m.
23:05 mircea_popescu magistrate "judge" still has NO authority but by consent of the parties.
23:05 mircea_popescu which is why all the "get people to sign" is so paramount to the whole activity of usg thuggery.
23:06 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu is thinking of 'plea bargain' thing, it typically happens in front of a traditional judge
23:06 mircea_popescu (watch as stuff obtained through alleged warrant issued by magistrate faux judge gets overturned as inadmissible at proper trial.)
23:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's why! so it covers up all this pretense and bullshit.
23:06 asciilifeform ah yes.
23:06 mircea_popescu never EVER sign anything.
23:06 asciilifeform ulbricht, in all fairness, did not sign
23:07 asciilifeform 'wash hands, die of cholera anyway'
23:07 mircea_popescu he did, but in his case it was kinda perverse.
23:07 mircea_popescu (he ineptly refused to claim priviledges.)
23:09 asciilifeform https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/supreme-court-gives-fbi-more-hacking-power << lelzy re earlier link
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You know, you could have arranged that same number of words into a paragraph wrapped the paste in blockquotes and just submitted this amount of information as a qntra piece yourself? Y U LEAVE VALUE ON THE TABLE
23:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i m lazy
23:12 BingoBoingo To lazy to have wrapped that information into a text editor box instead of irc box?
23:12 asciilifeform aha!
23:13 mircea_popescu he's rich!
23:13 mircea_popescu such lazy only the rich display.
23:13 BingoBoingo For someone who bid 9 btc for a machine that harvests btc shavings, this changing text input box is hard bsns seems almost pathological.
23:18 BingoBoingo This professing to want do anything for BTC income stream and passing by one of few actual non-gambly options is mystifying.
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23:20 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 880468295885 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kai Schmalenbach <davekay.de@gmail.com>; Kai Schmalenbach <schmalenbach@metaq.de>; Kai Schmalenbach <kaischmalenbach@metaq.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FA6FEC98E18C3643A052814AD647ACDEB617182744E0B59EA9AB7A9276743C
23:33 mircea_popescu ahh i love this new rss.
23:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well, erry man runs his own household!
23:34 * BingoBoingo still thinks alf needs a 12 step program, but dunno for what
23:34 mircea_popescu lol at bitstamp spamming their derpy "we're licensed" news. a) it's not fucking important ; b) stop spamming already omfg.
23:37 adlai danielpbarron: what do you have to say about the 12step meme's appropriation of your memeplex in step 1? (and its appropriation of bb's brain, but that's another matter, and better memes than liquor dreams)
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23:38 adlai asciilifeform: congratulations
23:39 adlai mod6: and i say this with greatest regard for alf, but i will probably get more "12step" mileage out of your T-shirt (of the hair variety, sadly, but trimmer than orgmode!) than trb and phuctor, combined
23:39 adlai unless trb manages to compile itself next time i kick it.
23:39 BingoBoingo adlai: That doesn't happen until steps 2 and 3
23:40 adlai ahh. and the psych lady said to wait for step 30!
23:40 mircea_popescu by now the phuctor rss is actually a major reason to watch this chan. i have nfi how one could be "in crypto/compsec/sysadmin" and NOT want to see the key holes in real time.
23:40 * asciilifeform back from ph00d
23:40 adlai amazing how you deed a premature suicide note and everybody gets all "ohnoes, wait a few years and then go out with a bang"
23:40 mircea_popescu adlai what are you on about ?
23:41 * adlai is listening to Universal Mind - Liquid Tension Experiment
23:42 mircea_popescu this "new and improved" version of vexual is not particularly new, or improved. plox to keep volume low.
23:42 * BingoBoingo picked up his six month coin today, several days after but today is when meeting was.
23:42 adlai asciilifeform: lemme get this right. 8ball is SMP werker?
23:42 asciilifeform adlai: realize that the whole 1.7m mods get phuctored in ~800 sec.
23:43 asciilifeform so no.
23:43 adlai BingoBoingo: I actually (as told to mom, who buys my booze, grudgingly) like to have a beer every couple months, to remember why I keep that frequency low that low.
23:43 asciilifeform adlai: read the bloody l0gz
23:43 adlai damnit there are more logs than altcoins! body was on a diet of group therapy, olanzapine, and windows for a ~month. have no sympathy but at least wait with the penance!
23:44 asciilifeform adlai: here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459374
23:44 a111 Logged on 2016-04-29 18:56 asciilifeform: eh, bit of a downer to me
23:44 adlai aha. thank you.
23:45 * adlai searched for 8ball and almost thought alf was joking with this request
23:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459699 << i dun have an mpex acct. so qntra shares are not mechanically convertible to coin.
23:45 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 03:18 BingoBoingo: This professing to want do anything for BTC income stream and passing by one of few actual non-gambly options is mystifying.
23:46 BingoBoingo But Jurov actually provides quality customer service A++11!!+ recommend
23:47 * adlai assumes desired "8ball" is a C 'script' / patch to upcoming 'werker', rather than web spider + sudden submission?
23:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dun have a coinbr acct either, for reasons discussed in agonizing detail in the logz
23:47 asciilifeform (i refuse in principle to pay storage)
23:47 adlai asciilifeform: fwiw jurov holds my qntra shares in indefinite custody until they are enough to cover coinbr fees
23:47 * adlai is done with charity
23:47 asciilifeform adlai: all it is, is primes 2 ... N (for some large N) turned into a phuctor-compatible gpg key
23:48 BingoBoingo But then hao does jurov get paid? If no one pays for anything we're just a bunch of fucking hippies
23:48 adlai asciilifeform: ah, so homework, not workwork.
23:48 asciilifeform adlai: aha
23:49 adlai in a shocking plot twist, s.limbs = coinbr ipo
23:49 asciilifeform 'lose weight, shed limbs!'
23:49 adlai god knows it pulls in more bottom line than qntra, mg, and nsa combined
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