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00:16 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: have you checked out my new blog yet lolol
00:16 pete_dushenski lol i dun even know the url
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00:36 thestringpuller http://thestringpuller.com << pete_dushenski
00:36 thestringpuller just put up a new article too
00:38 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski as in "pain" ?
00:39 pete_dushenski as in 'dishonesty'
00:39 pete_dushenski :)
00:39 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: nifty. and overdue!
00:40 mircea_popescu oh lol
00:47 mircea_popescu thestringpuller dude, obscure reddit is obscure. who ever cares, what.
00:57 pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/#comment-117792 << at least to my ear
01:02 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90srnnzznTI << uzbeki mega-tunnel built 3 months ahead of schedule. impossibru ? not if china builds it.
01:07 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
01:07 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 687.3099999999999, Best ask: 688.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.69000, Last trade: 687.3099999999999, 24 hour volume: 77350.78216166999, 24 hour low: 634.51, 24 hour high: 698.0, 24 hour vwap: None
01:17 mircea_popescu in other somewhat lulz, https://etherchain.org/statistics/dao
01:21 mircea_popescu (explanation for sane people : in another of countless "we'll shave with the blender and paint walls by dripping nail polish on upturned, revved motorcycle wheel" creative moves of the mit derps, they're "temporarily" using the miner signalling for difficulty to mean miner signalling for implementing their derpy soft-fork. because nothing bad can ever come out of arbitrary, non-designed redefinitions of the meaning of mechani
01:21 mircea_popescu sms as you go. especially if it's for a good cause, such as bloating upstream code with random exceptions required to fix errors in downstream. you know, like windows does it.)
01:25 mircea_popescu (this also means that the postponing from here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489088 just got posponed again. by another 50k blocks, ie ~a week.
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02:07 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hail, Caesar! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/hail-caesar/
02:13 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i'm talking about the integration of imu data, possible points in three-space from frame to frame, among just a few things that go into turning a set of stills into a painted point cloud
02:14 ben_vulpes tracking* possible points...
02:14 ben_vulpes but yes. "drones".
02:14 pete_dushenski don't forget "software"
02:15 ben_vulpes the term of art is "structure from motion".
02:16 * ben_vulpes was idly hoping to waste time on kalman filters in preliminary research but much of the heavy lifting seems to have been done already.
02:16 ben_vulpes can't tell how poorly without actually trying to duct-tape more open sores together, though.
02:18 ben_vulpes i've read a few interesting ways of attacking the problem, and the wrinkles that crop up (brightness variation, for one), and one *hilarious* set of assumptions that some people make in the name of performance
02:18 ben_vulpes that lines are either perpendicular or parallel to gravity
02:19 ben_vulpes noshit.jpg does that make your correlation task a bit easier
02:23 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459609 << more like end of july. relocating to the 'burbs wasn't in that estimate.
02:31 pete_dushenski "The Pentagon plans to announce the repeal of its ban on openly serving transgender service members next month, U.S. defense officials said. The repeal would come five years after a 2011 decision to end the U.S. military's ban on gays and lesbians serving openly, despite fears - which proved unfounded - that such a move would be too great a burden in wartime and would undermine readiness." << PROOOOOOVED unfounded. sci
02:31 pete_dushenski entificarry, presumabry.
02:34 * pete_dushenski to bed. single-parenting this weekend. necessito energia.
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09:00 asciilifeform STILL no log.
09:00 asciilifeform phf is eager to become the next nanotube??
09:01 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://urbit.org/blog/dao << riot of lulz
09:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:17 thestringpuller running tmsr infrastructure iz hardworkz
09:17 thestringpuller asciilifeform: how are you on this fine saturday?
09:30 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
09:30 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 675.96, vol: 8010.56160209 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 648.37, vol: 8037.4695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 681.35, vol: 53885.9152148 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 650.0, vol: 1.449 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.595989, vol: 63114.65760000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.37, vol: 2418.75288927 | Volume-weighted last average: 680.569015845
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09:51 mircea_popescu $up liead
09:51 deedbot liead voiced for 30 minutes.
09:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah tis getting kinda ridiculous ;/
09:51 asciilifeform sure is.
09:52 asciilifeform luckily i have my own logtron, but it isn't linkable to
09:52 asciilifeform anyway i am falling down from the sheer l0ltr0n1c force of mr mold's defense of eth
09:52 mircea_popescu so make it linkable to so it can go down every week and we can bitch at you also.
09:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i just might
09:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's two kinds of men in this world. those who walk with their life in palm of hand ; and those who have a job to do.
09:54 mircea_popescu mr mold got a job to do. much like mr. max, and every other capon in the history of "civilisation", he got a snatch he's chained to and belabouring to please.
09:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile at terror ranch, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f/tumblr_o95tgbwNUD1u0i0qzo1_400.gif
10:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i thought he had his ~own~ eth
10:01 mircea_popescu heh.
10:03 thestringpuller don't we need to pay for nice things?
10:03 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160624/05351534808/judge-says-fbi-can-hack-computers-without-warrant-because-computer-users-get-hacked-all-time.shtml
10:03 thestringpuller monetize da logz
10:03 mircea_popescu ahahahahaha
10:03 mircea_popescu epic.
10:03 mircea_popescu you hear that ? judge says, hacking usg computers fair game.
10:04 asciilifeform it was always fair game.
10:05 mircea_popescu lol fags in the us army ruining us army proved unfounded ?
10:05 mircea_popescu moar private manning, plox.
10:06 mircea_popescu anyway asciilifeform , the usg.desperation should be palpable, if they're scraping the barrel so close to the wood they've dredged up curtis yarvin, even.
10:08 mircea_popescu anyway, nice idiotarian piece, most premises are respectable, every single conclusion is tendentiously false.
10:08 mircea_popescu i suppose in some circles this sort of thing is an achievement.
10:10 phf so i still have time to fix bot before asciilifeform releases own in six months to a year, right?
10:10 mircea_popescu hopefully :D
10:10 mircea_popescu what happened anyway ?
10:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490109 << i'd almost consider moving to an independent texas.
10:12 a111 Logged on 2016-06-25 03:18 trinque: http://www.inquisitr.com/3241149/texit-texas-nationalist-movement-calls-for-secession-from-united-states-following-historic-brexit-vote/
10:12 mircea_popescu was ~the only part of the us that didn't stink of ustardism.
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10:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ << check out the update, btw.
10:44 mircea_popescu most of them got shut down within 16 hours or somesuch.
10:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yeah saw
10:45 asciilifeform and srsly?
10:45 asciilifeform then again sp4mz0rz treat ips like toilet paper
10:46 asciilifeform nothing is ever really killed..
10:46 mircea_popescu what can i tell yea.
10:46 mircea_popescu i suspect most of this was voluntary, actually. it's good business for them to avoid anything with claws.
10:46 mircea_popescu i expect trilema is on a blacklist now.
10:46 asciilifeform likely.
10:47 mircea_popescu which, honestly, is EXACTLY how things should fucking work.
10:47 mircea_popescu there's absolutely nothing wrong with "police brutality", just as long as the brutalized are the losers. rape is actually right and proper, just as long as the only rape victims are poor women and their children, whatever sex or age. etcetera.
10:48 mircea_popescu no human claws, no human rights.
10:48 asciilifeform sanitation is still a thing.
10:49 mircea_popescu need i link to the spanish discussion ?
10:49 mircea_popescu sanitation is not for everyone.
10:49 asciilifeform i was just about to.
10:50 asciilifeform and the reason the good count de alba y yeltes was a nut, is that it dun work this way.
10:50 asciilifeform without sewer, kings die as well as slaves.
10:50 asciilifeform some things don't compartmentalize.
10:50 mircea_popescu the reason the good count failed (which has little to do with his being a nut) is that briefly, economic conditions dictated to pretend the worms are "all people". that brief bubble burst, meanwhile.
10:51 mircea_popescu history is back on its sanity track, rather than the exceptional "tail end of industrialism before robotics" moment.
10:51 asciilifeform sanitation dun scale down to 'boutique economy'.
10:51 mircea_popescu what do you mean ?
10:52 asciilifeform well, say mircea_popescu's castle has sanitary fixtures, but surrounding plebeville doesn't.
10:52 mircea_popescu ok.
10:52 asciilifeform he goes out to collect fucktoys, catches his death.
10:52 mircea_popescu (which is exactly how things are right now)
10:52 mircea_popescu catches nothing.
10:52 mircea_popescu i collected more fucktoys than you collected post parcels, here i am.
10:53 asciilifeform because this isn't what we have now.
10:53 mircea_popescu no, because the magical moment of "tail end of industrialism before robotics" are gone.
10:53 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i'm surprised you haven't been to a burn-like festival.
10:53 asciilifeform he lives in a 20th c. - style town. with sewer.
10:53 mircea_popescu THEN it was a certain way. but then and then only, at no point prior and - if trhere's any mercy in the heavens - at no point ulterior.
10:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform first off, favelas don't have sewage
10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu hangs out in favelas?!
10:54 mircea_popescu i was too preoccupied otherwise to take pictures of street - with channel down middle, like 1600 spain!
10:54 mircea_popescu do you want to see it ?
10:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course i do! what, where the fuck do you pick up fucktoys, huh ?
10:54 asciilifeform yes!
10:54 asciilifeform it sounds fascinating
10:54 mircea_popescu aite next i go ima try an' keep my mind on the road.
10:54 asciilifeform neato.
10:54 mircea_popescu thestringpuller why ?
10:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do i catch ? syphilis ? not that i ever did, but it's a quintuple shot of biseptol. tuberculosis ? lmao. you can't even catch tuberculosis, there's a "must be this poor to ride" that train. what, exactly ? lice is directly visible.
10:56 mircea_popescu other than pancreatic cancer, that one scythed lady which cost us both jobs and mcculler, there's ~nothing. and you don't catch that.
10:56 asciilifeform not established to my satisfaction.
10:57 * asciilifeform suspects that most cancers are viral
10:57 mircea_popescu eh.
10:57 mircea_popescu even if they were, it'd be more the fault of your mom not coming from a sufficiently slutty line of whores, to give you good immunity matrix,
10:57 mircea_popescu than anything else.
10:57 asciilifeform also resistant tb is a thing.
10:57 mircea_popescu you, personally, today, couldn't catch tb if you tried.
10:58 asciilifeform i fully expect to die of it in american jail.
10:58 mircea_popescu it is a disease of the dungeon dweller.
10:58 mircea_popescu aha
10:59 mircea_popescu anyway, the point here is : that for as long as "upper body strength" was the bottleneck limiting human civilisation, you had male citizenship. had females been advantaged by nature there, you'd have had female citizenship. they aren't, it's a cruel joke, watch slavegirls trying to build up muscle and weep sometime.
11:00 mircea_popescu THEN steam power rendered actual muscle irrelevant, but control wasn't good enough to supplant people. and so there was a brief period, almost a century in length, during which "humanity" ie, the ability to finely control complex mechanisms, was the basis of humanity.
11:00 mircea_popescu and so all the nonsense from the various exalted diet technichians, engels and carnegey and whatnot.
11:00 mircea_popescu but that period ended. and with it - all the momentary crap deluding itself with permanence.
11:01 asciilifeform ended srsly? where is the robot that picks tomato ?
11:01 mircea_popescu today control is even cheaper than power. and the basis for humanity is vested in a % of a %, rather than "men" or "everyone patient enough"
11:01 mircea_popescu you should visit farms sometime.
11:01 asciilifeform i did
11:01 asciilifeform no robot.
11:01 mircea_popescu apple orchards now are constructed for robot. ie, tree isn't even recognizable tree anymore, but this lengthy thread on a stick.
11:02 mircea_popescu best example though : cereal crops. are you aware it is today more productive to build them in the pillar system than in the traditional plowing system ?
11:02 asciilifeform we dun even ~have~ computer, really. any more than newcomen had engine.
11:02 asciilifeform we have cheap simulacra.
11:02 mircea_popescu EVEN IF you lose the difference between pi r^2 and 4r^2
11:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is besides the point. i did not say "computer". i said control.
11:03 asciilifeform we dun have it.
11:03 mircea_popescu it is cheaper for you to install a camera and "image recognition" than to hire a guard ; and the results ARE BETTER.
11:03 asciilifeform but i would like to see the pillar thing.
11:03 mircea_popescu even as they don't work. but guard doesn't work even worse.
11:03 mircea_popescu which is the story of lee sedol.
11:03 mircea_popescu yes, the computer doesn't work.
11:03 mircea_popescu neither does the korean.
11:04 asciilifeform i still think the story of lee sedol is a story of match fraud.
11:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100%
11:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cheating is not forbidden.
11:05 asciilifeform this type of cheat is as old as the game. but it used to come with beheading when caught.
11:05 mircea_popescu and if you can't be caught, it's not a cheat.
11:05 mircea_popescu which is the problem here - not that they cheated or not. that they can't be caught. which they can't. end of story.
11:05 asciilifeform this might be where we disagree.
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe we disagree on terminology.
11:06 asciilifeform there 'is no proof, no witnesses' until one day there are.
11:06 mircea_popescu bluffing - is "cheating", to the noob. however, bluffing when the opponent can't afford to call, ie, doesn't have the resources to take advantage, is simply history.
11:06 mircea_popescu this is how hitler ended up "the bad".
11:06 mircea_popescu hey, who's gonna call the bluff ?
11:07 mircea_popescu and so that's the point there, not whether google did or did not create the item in question. but whether robotized control of little black discs is good enough to push out the human. that - they showed to be.
11:07 asciilifeform and by same token lysenko 'showed' the bourgeois weissmanists-morganists..
11:07 asciilifeform fuck that.
11:08 asciilifeform truth is a rhing
11:08 asciilifeform thing.
11:08 mircea_popescu truth is a thing in engineering. it has ~no bearing on the affairs of mankind. do you know why ?
11:08 asciilifeform even if idiot thinks he killed ALL the witnesses.
11:09 mircea_popescu well, do you ?
11:10 asciilifeform i don't accept the premise.
11:10 asciilifeform so cannot answer.
11:10 mircea_popescu you can't accept the premise as a theoretical construct to examine ?
11:10 asciilifeform it dun fit in my gullet. 'sky is made of cheese'
11:11 mircea_popescu how's this different from "i don't accept the premise earth is not at center of world" ?
11:11 mircea_popescu religious thinking wtf.
11:12 mircea_popescu anyway, since we got the logs back, here's why : truth is but one.
11:12 asciilifeform hm?
11:13 mircea_popescu this is strategically disastrous for any living thing. imagine, cod taking "the correct route". this means -> scania. ouch. imagine person making rsa key, taking the "correct" key. ie what, everyone takes the same primes, because they're the largest primes that fit in the notation and so "best" and so "rational choice". it's exactly a matter of the "inverse of safety from numbers" thing we discussed recently.
11:13 mircea_popescu in negotiation, in any human endeavour, "rational" is predictable and predictable is death.
11:14 * asciilifeform is aware of kindergarten game theory and is not astonished
11:14 mircea_popescu hence stuff like specificity of diddling. hence all sorts of things.
11:14 mircea_popescu well, not astonished, but what's your model for it ?
11:15 asciilifeform meta-rational strategy is a thing
11:15 asciilifeform and can call rng.
11:15 mircea_popescu meta-rational is no more rational than complex numbers are.
11:15 asciilifeform but it is pointedly not same thing as organic monkey irrational.
11:15 mircea_popescu of course meta-rational is a thing. but sovereign reason is a very different thing from mere "reason" as peddled by the feminine usg & friends.
11:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody was talking about that.
11:16 mircea_popescu irrational has plenty of space in it for many different things.
11:16 asciilifeform my concept of 'truth' includes ALL of modern game theory, just as it includes arithmetic .
11:17 mircea_popescu dues not. godel.
11:17 asciilifeform godel is irrelevant to anything that ever actually happens.
11:17 asciilifeform sadly, unprovably so.
11:18 mircea_popescu ha. your notion of truth is either not complete, or not formulable. you seem to favour the later, which is why you keep ending in trouble in discussions here.
11:18 asciilifeform (just like cantor incidentally, is irrelevant to any arithmetic calculation re physical world)
11:18 mircea_popescu but hark that once your notion of truth is unformulable you lost what tu quoque claimed is the basis for science, id est, reproducibility.
11:19 * asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask
11:20 asciilifeform srsly, the 'winner decides history' is rank nonsense, it is quite difficult to eliminate all evidence.
11:20 mircea_popescu a pile of evidence doth not a history make.
11:21 mircea_popescu link this to schwarz's evidence. what history ?
11:21 mircea_popescu paradigm secretion is an act of the endocrine gland that is called "brain". and it works in science, with the eternal and irrepudiable evidence of nature right in front of eyes.
11:21 asciilifeform dun matter for how long lysenkoists rule. they're still full of shit.
11:22 mircea_popescu live things are full of shit. this is what the terms mean.
11:22 mircea_popescu when he's dead, he'll destraighten or how that went.
11:23 asciilifeform interestingly, dead folk are just as dangerous to lysenkoist 'science' as live ones - where is majorana's field theory ?
11:23 asciilifeform buried in cement
11:23 mircea_popescu well, you switched terms. the living are fulla shit.
11:24 asciilifeform elaborate?
11:25 mircea_popescu we were discussing how "X is full of shit", but that X took values from a field of AGENTS, which is to say the people to whom history has meaning. and it was observed that the grave is the only cure for their shit contents. then you moved to talking about Y, but Y are no longer X, instead they are taken from a field of non-agents, historical memories.
11:25 mircea_popescu X and Y can't be interchanged freely.
11:25 asciilifeform justify the cut made where it was ?
11:26 mircea_popescu because the shit contents is due, as we discussed, to the imperatives of the flesh. if you're an agent and you wanna survive which means you wanna survive and are an agent, you're stuck with the shit.
11:26 mircea_popescu meanwhile, what majorana or minorana said or didn't say, inasmuch as it's true, has little to do with anything but that - its truth.
11:26 asciilifeform ah as in mr mold etc
11:27 mircea_popescu i guess so. plenty of "lysenkoist" dudes were as convinced of the entire shitstack as yarvin is convinced the usg will survive.
11:27 mircea_popescu nevertheless... gotta placate the cunt he's chained to.
11:28 asciilifeform having read nearly whole corpus of the works, i am not wholly convinced that any sizable number did.
11:28 mircea_popescu (and i don't specifically mean his wife, here. i mean everything, the demands "not getting facebook account banned" or w/e, and paying taxes, and not running red lights or pissing on cop's shoes etc. the divine cunt.)
11:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. quite possibly lysenko himself made it up as he went, like trad. curt buffoon.
11:28 mircea_popescu ie, put on the spot, got in "the zone", sprouted some thing, audience clapped, the end.
11:29 asciilifeform this is imho quite likely
11:30 asciilifeform but yeah i see where mircea_popescu is going
11:31 * mircea_popescu declines any credit or responsibility for the matter. for one thing, ancient observations, for the other, not my fault they hold.
11:44 mircea_popescu (amusingly enough, the best source re that "ancient observations" is probably ~= patristics. the substance of the eternal soul, the nature of sin, all that good stuff. for all its trite-ification in the hands of the same sort of people that also created family-friendly shakespeare, it is a very powerful philosophical item. fact remains agency is an imposition upon the gnosis, which is why intelligent people dun wanna be polit
11:44 mircea_popescu icians, and also why they created the jwz fantasy.)
11:46 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the hard fork proposal you made?
11:46 thestringpuller i read through the threads and discussion fizzled out
11:47 thestringpuller is the spirit of such a proposal still on the table even if the design isn't complete?
11:49 mircea_popescu what do you mean "happened".
11:49 mircea_popescu nothing happened, it's there.
11:52 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 builds this week completed, 2x for each distro - still running another Arch one right now
11:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:52 mircea_popescu (by "it" above i mean "original sin")
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12:40 Framedragger mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for my own purposes / as backup, wrote myself a real shitty and simplistic log viewer thingie just now: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ - may be useful as backup etc.
12:41 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today always points to today (UTC time)
12:41 mircea_popescu cool!
12:41 mircea_popescu always good to have things to build on just in case.
12:42 Framedragger i think connection to bouncer on that host (which is where the logs come from) is rather stable, so good for redundancy and whatnot
12:42 Framedragger *from bouncer
12:43 asciilifeform Framedragger: neato.
12:45 mod6 shinohai: good work!
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13:07 deedbot [Trilema] Brexit, Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Czechout, Finish, Oustria, Latervia, Byegium... - http://trilema.com/2016/brexit-grexit-departugal-italeave-czechout-finish-oustria-latervia-byegium/
13:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'the things you have to eat get scarier and scarier.' << scarcer ??
13:13 asciilifeform or hm
13:14 mircea_popescu no, scarier.
13:15 asciilifeform yeah i see now.
13:23 mircea_popescu and in other school bus news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f714f0906016efe084a3e67f1ce39657/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo3_500.gif & http://66.media.tumblr.com/554c052f81e26ec7ce6ffff5d609577d/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo4_500.gif
13:25 mircea_popescu oh, and to play a little "guess the argentine" : "To learn English you must begin by thrusting the jaw forward, almost clenching the teeth, and practically immbilizing the lips. In this way the English produce the series of unpleasant little mews of which their language consists."
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14:13 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “You’re dressed nice” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/youre-dressed-nice/
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14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: orlov.
14:36 asciilifeform he said ~same thing.
14:36 mircea_popescu heh. he copied ortega y gasset ?
14:38 asciilifeform apparently
14:38 mircea_popescu aww.
14:38 asciilifeform but i suspect that pretty much all orcs learning the language had same thought
14:38 asciilifeform 'what do these poor folks have in their mouths, to make this sound'
14:38 mircea_popescu can't say it ever bothered me.
14:38 mircea_popescu as long as there's no clicking involved, i'm linguistislutty.
14:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu aint a proper orc
14:39 mircea_popescu how so ?!
14:39 asciilifeform he speaks roman
14:39 mircea_popescu hm
14:39 asciilifeform aha.
14:39 asciilifeform civvus romanus!111
14:39 asciilifeform even if the ducks did get loaded off the trucks (tm)
14:40 mircea_popescu heh. i also hear about five shades between each vowel to the desperation of native english speakers. "what do you mean you can distinguish between x and y!" "of course you can!" "say it" "x, y" "it's the same thing!"
14:41 asciilifeform ready for china then?
14:41 mircea_popescu meh.
14:52 asciilifeform in other oldz, https://www.lysator.liu.se/~nisse/misc/6502-mul.html
14:54 mircea_popescu $up Corsets
14:54 deedbot Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
14:54 Corsets Hello?
14:54 mircea_popescu hi there. what brings you here ?
14:54 Corsets I'm here from Reddit
14:54 mircea_popescu o.O
14:54 Corsets I got a message offering compensation for a custom topless shot; I'm interested in the details
14:55 mircea_popescu oh you mean http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?
14:56 Corsets That precisely
14:56 mircea_popescu cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
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14:57 Corsets Two questions. 1- what's a bitcoin addy? I'm a noob, sorry. I'm assuming it's an account.
14:58 mircea_popescu well, you never heard of bitcoin ?
14:58 Corsets 2- is it alright if I cover the top half of my face with something? I
14:58 Corsets I've heard of Bitcoin. I don't k ow much about it
14:59 mircea_popescu well ok, it's like this online currency that governments can't confiscate, unlike papyal. so everyone with half a brain uses it to pay for stuff.
14:59 Corsets Actually, pardon, I have a third question. What is this, exactly? I've never seen a webpage like this before.
14:59 mircea_popescu you mean what, my blog ?
15:00 Corsets Okay so I'd need to make some kind of bitcoins account then? Yeah, I guess I meant your blog. more precisely, I haven't seen anyone make that kind of offer/request and then just post the pics on their blog
15:00 Corsets And tbh I don't understand the numbers.
15:00 mircea_popescu yeah well, i'm weird. anyway - yes, make yourself a bitcoin wallet.
15:01 mircea_popescu it's a good thing to have anyway, you never know when you need it.
15:01 Corsets alright.
15:01 mircea_popescu and which numbers don't you understand ?
15:03 Corsets The ones we write on our tits
15:03 mircea_popescu ah, it's just a sort of idstring.
15:04 mircea_popescu * Corsets (ac38270d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.56.) has joined #trilema
15:06 Corsets The wallet's downloading. I don't have a lot of space
15:06 Corsets May I ask why we're writing ID strings on our chests?
15:06 mircea_popescu o, if you're making a desktop one it'll take a while. chain's ~120 GB these days.
15:06 mircea_popescu possibly better for you to make a website one.
15:07 mircea_popescu Corsets well it's only once per person you know. otherwise i'd be bankrupt, billionaire or no billionaire.
15:09 Corsets It's on my phone as an app. I just used coinspace.
15:09 Corsets I had to delete another one; it's downloading now, albeit slowly.
15:10 mircea_popescu i dunno what it is, specifically, but an app prolly fits.
15:10 mircea_popescu i can't imagine anyone would actually try to fit the chain on anyone's phone.
15:13 Corsets I take it I should make a website one soon then
15:13 mircea_popescu nah, the app/website ones are the same thing.
15:13 mircea_popescu there's also a version you can run on your own desktop or server. pro version, as it were.
15:13 mircea_popescu basically ~= running your own bank
15:14 mircea_popescu Corsets what do you do for a living anyway ?
15:18 Corsets I am currently selling the odd adult video or photo set and applying for retail jobs
15:18 Corsets Might get a campus job when school starts again
15:18 mircea_popescu sounds like a student huh.
15:18 mircea_popescu alright, so what do you study ?
15:19 Corsets Psychology, linguistics, anthropology.
15:20 mircea_popescu ha! nice.
15:20 mircea_popescu not much money in it though, thinking about it.
15:20 mircea_popescu maybe with the government, i guess.
15:21 Corsets I'm less interested in the money and more interested in the work
15:21 Corsets I might come back for other stuff later, idk.
15:22 mircea_popescu aha. hey, my degree is also anthropology.
15:22 mircea_popescu there's worse fates.
15:23 Corsets True true
15:24 Corsets Okay so
15:24 mircea_popescu well, philosophy/anthropology technically, but anyway.
15:24 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet to asciilifeform : 'he's treating gurlz as people, just like you, yer both fools'
15:24 mircea_popescu $up Corsets
15:24 deedbot Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
15:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform she's a little troll isn't she.
15:25 Corsets Do I need to show my face? Or can I cover my eyes with something?
15:25 mircea_popescu Corsets well yes you gotta show your face, so it can't be duped later see.
15:26 Corsets I'm a little worried about future employers finding my face and my boobs on a blog on the Internet
15:26 mircea_popescu what, they retaliate for toplessness where you live ?
15:26 mircea_popescu hm.
15:26 Corsets Kinda yeah
15:26 Corsets There's a pretty big stigma against sex work
15:27 mircea_popescu if this is sex work, it then follows matchsticks are meteors.
15:28 Corsets I'd agree. But my views are probably not my future employers' views
15:28 mircea_popescu there's always that possibility yeah.
15:29 Corsets Where would I need to upload? Just upload to a hosting site and send it?
15:29 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:30 Corsets Okay. If I need to show my face, let me put on some makeup.
15:30 mircea_popescu by all means.
15:37 mircea_popescu $up Corsets
15:37 deedbot Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
15:37 Corsets Sorry. Timed out I guess
15:37 mircea_popescu incidentally, do you have a pgp sig ? you can just register it here and self-voice
15:38 Corsets I don't even know what that is
15:38 mircea_popescu pretty good privacy, it's an asymmetric crypto scheme. allows you to keep secrets from, say, the nsa. and also to maintain a solid identity - unlike, say, usg identity papers.
15:39 Corsets That's certainly interesting. I don't know that I do anything illegal enough to hide from the NSA
15:39 mircea_popescu well, not yet at any rate.
15:39 mircea_popescu the definition's not exactly fixed.
15:42 Corsets You know, you could stretch this and say it's an art project
15:42 mircea_popescu but it IS an art project.
15:43 Corsets oh?
15:43 Corsets How so?
15:43 mircea_popescu how not ?
15:43 Corsets Good answer
15:43 mircea_popescu lol
15:43 Corsets Is lipstick okay? Or no lipstick
15:44 mircea_popescu hey, it's your hot body and you can do what you want
15:44 mircea_popescu skip school and kill people, whatever, it's cool...
15:49 mircea_popescu $up Corsets
15:49 deedbot Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
15:50 Corsets Nah, I do that on Tuesdays
15:50 Corsets Sorry. Guess that took longer than I thought
15:50 mircea_popescu what's your internet made out of, wet noodles ?
15:50 Corsets Oh man, that's an insult to wet noodles
15:50 mircea_popescu lol
15:50 mircea_popescu argentina-style noodles. worst thing ever.
15:50 Corsets Would you mind giving me the code again? Wet noodlenet erased it
15:51 Corsets Really? Well now I have to try them
15:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490418
15:51 a111 Logged on 2016-06-25 18:56 mircea_popescu: cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
15:55 mircea_popescu uh.
15:55 shinohai >.>
15:58 Corsets The girl who didn't show her face, did she still get paid?
15:58 Corsets Also, the writing isn't quite symmetrical. Is that okay?
15:58 mircea_popescu it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
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15:59 Corsets Hm. Okay
15:59 Corsets Photo shortly
15:59 mircea_popescu shinohai hey patrol an' make sure you up suspect sounding chicks like above, who knows
15:59 mircea_popescu redditcaust or something.
16:02 Corsets I am confused by that last bit
16:03 shinohai mircea_popescu: I can't up deedbot hates me :(
16:03 shinohai $up adlai
16:03 deedbot shinohai may not $up adlai
16:03 Corsets I have the photo
16:04 Corsets Do you want me to just drop it here?
16:04 mircea_popescu Corsets yes, along with your address.
16:04 mircea_popescu shinohai oh right damn
16:05 mircea_popescu Corsets last bit wasn't at you, it was at him.
16:08 mircea_popescu Corsets (bitcoin address i mean. 1blabla something a long string like that)
16:08 shinohai A lo mejor algun dia, Herr Popescu
16:12 mircea_popescu $up Noodlenet
16:12 deedbot Noodlenet voiced for 30 minutes.
16:12 mircea_popescu $up Corsets
16:12 deedbot Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
16:12 mircea_popescu lmap
16:13 Corsets Noodles must be made out of potato flour
16:13 Corsets 1LLp9xAVrmFDSesLoLANh8EBmhPaSSfyoM
16:13 Corsets Address
16:13 Corsets http://m.imgur.com/2CedO0y
16:13 Corsets Pic
16:14 Corsets Is this picture okay? I feel like I look kinda weird in it, but it was the best one I could get
16:14 mircea_popescu o hey check out the pretty blondy.
16:14 mircea_popescu Corsets yeah, get your dime in a minute.
16:14 Corsets Thanks
16:15 mircea_popescu an' seriously look into getting a pgp key an' join the crowd. lotta cool stuff going on here, most of which entirely unrelated to your chosen profession.
16:16 asciilifeform wats with the hand ?!
16:16 Corsets I'll look into it
16:16 Corsets Hand?
16:16 mircea_popescu learning cuneiform ?
16:16 asciilifeform knife fighter?
16:16 mircea_popescu o wait, is that cutting ?
16:16 Corsets Blood fetish ;)
16:18 mircea_popescu o wait, corsets, fetish, you're also into bdsm therefore...
16:18 Corsets I mean, bdsm doesn't always involve blades or blood
16:18 Corsets Just the fun kind lol
16:18 mircea_popescu of course not.
16:19 mircea_popescu well, so come over ba, i'll buy you some bad noodles.
16:19 Corsets I can probably get a pic with the scars out of shot if you'd prefer
16:19 mircea_popescu tx d4d88240d9720fca299235f0ad112eb6955edcd25c3c03172100b1107a63ea4a << there you go.
16:20 Corsets What's that?
16:20 mircea_popescu that's the transaction identifier. you should be 10 bitcents richer
16:22 Corsets Thanks~ pleasure doin' business
16:22 mircea_popescu enjoy!
16:22 Framedragger Corsets: nice! :)
16:27 shinohai And mircea_popescu adds another to teh collection.
16:28 mircea_popescu whoever dies with the most collections wins.
16:39 mircea_popescu anyway, ima go visit the favela sluts for no reason other than taking asciilifeform 's pictures, honest, i swear. ima bbl, coupla hours ; hold any online hos down and occupied till i return!
~ 15 minutes ~
16:54 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> o hey check out the pretty blondy. << yah cute
~ 2 hours 11 minutes ~
19:06 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
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19:06 mircea_popescu it started as an irigation scheme.
19:07 mircea_popescu the dark secret is that investment in your part of the world is a no-no
19:07 mircea_popescu sort-of like kirgiztan in the su.
~ 27 minutes ~
19:34 deedbot [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
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19:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ annnnd BingoBoingo chgeck out the fupa jesus.
19:35 BingoBoingo Holy shit
19:36 BingoBoingo Anyways modern combine follows any path you plot into its gps. Once its set you just sit in chair, watch tv, and nap
19:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490571 << i looked for anything at all re robo-orchard, found kuka-style rigged demo. it dun exist anywhere in practice, not in jp, nowhere.
19:40 a111 Logged on 2016-06-25 23:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
19:41 mircea_popescu what can i tell ye, google is ~useless ?
19:42 asciilifeform link plox ?
19:42 mircea_popescu to what ?
19:43 asciilifeform to some evidence that subj device exists.
19:43 mircea_popescu hm.
19:43 asciilifeform somebody makes, sells?
19:43 mircea_popescu which device specifically, the cereal round thing ?
19:44 asciilifeform i was asking after the apple harvester. but them also.
19:44 mircea_popescu it's this scheme to grow apple trees against a trellis
19:45 mircea_popescu it dun look like a tree at all.
19:46 asciilifeform i entirely believe that it is physically possible. but where is it done? and who sells the robot
19:46 mircea_popescu i'm not that up to speed ;/
19:47 asciilifeform if anybody else is able to turn up this ufo, plz link.
19:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490575 << that '16th c spanish sewer' looks like storm ditch. we have them here.
19:48 a111 Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
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19:48 asciilifeform and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.
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19:48 mircea_popescu lol!
19:48 mircea_popescu the people are certainly very pleasant.
19:50 mircea_popescu $google rotary cultivation for cereal production
19:50 deedbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390020P << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ... | https://extension.umaine.edu/publications/2207e/ << Bulletin #2207, Growing Organic Cereal Grains in New England ... | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390021G << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ...
19:50 mircea_popescu "rotavator"
19:51 mircea_popescu mmm then again that may be the usual item hm
19:52 asciilifeform it is the usual item
19:52 mircea_popescu well, i'm not a buyer of farm implements and so i have no ready way to do this.
19:52 mircea_popescu i guess i'll just yield teh point, though...
19:53 asciilifeform if this ufo turns up, plz link.
19:53 mircea_popescu aite
19:53 * asciilifeform very interested.
19:53 mircea_popescu why, you planning a farm ?
19:54 mircea_popescu anyway, the idea is/was that rather than have tractor/combine drive to land etc, you just put pillar in middle, it does everything by spinning over the ground. you lose some land on the corners, but it's compensated by the massive savings on energy.
19:55 asciilifeform seems like gravity would work against you?
19:55 asciilifeform (what keeps pillar of soil intact?)
19:55 mircea_popescu nah, you still have a wheelish thing
19:55 mircea_popescu pillar of soil ?
19:56 asciilifeform what am i missing
19:56 mircea_popescu it's just normal land, you build the pilar on it, acts as a turning point for this long arm
19:56 asciilifeform like beckman's lab robot? but larger..?
19:56 mircea_popescu something like that yeah.
19:57 mircea_popescu and it can irrigate, treat (including at VERY narrow intervals, like hourly) etc.
19:57 mircea_popescu basically does all the work you normally have to drive a tractor for, which is what, a dozen passes a year.
19:58 mircea_popescu you're stuck paying 10x as much in capital goods, and end up saving 80% or so in energy costs. which in most stable farmland is a great deal.
19:59 asciilifeform iirc robo-tractors (self-driving) are already sop in usa
19:59 mircea_popescu yeah but they still have to drive THERE.
19:59 asciilifeform tru
19:59 mircea_popescu and tractors are shit for fuel economy
19:59 asciilifeform also tru
~ 1 hours 39 minutes ~
21:39 Framedragger does anyone know, is this the source of deedbot, or at least the origin? https://github.com/bitrecruiter/deedBot/blob/master/deedBot.php
21:39 Framedragger such php :p
21:41 Framedragger (hm, not the current deedbot at any rate)
21:44 Framedragger yuuup http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815498 (bot source includes link to this)
21:44 a111 Logged on 2014-08-30 01:52 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/iuk6rard
21:46 Framedragger ..well i wrote this turd http://log.mkj.lt/ in quick php too because fuck it (i'll find time to write http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481401 which for some reason i want to do)
21:46 a111 Logged on 2016-06-13 01:00 Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
21:47 mod6 huh. i thought it was a lisp deal
21:48 Framedragger some other stuff is written in lisp afaiui. but maybe deedbot rewritten in lisp since then?
~ 1 hours 52 minutes ~
23:40 mircea_popescu $up Etherael
23:40 deedbot Etherael voiced for 30 minutes.
23:40 mircea_popescu Framedragger that's an earlier attempt at deedbot. it didn't take.
23:41 mircea_popescu did by a different set. search for hmmm,
23:41 mircea_popescu actually, search for deedbot, go way early.
23:43 Etherael Hello, thanks for voice, I read your blog after the ethereum debacle, found it interesting, thought I would come here and listen for some time.
23:43 mircea_popescu ah alrighty.
23:43 mircea_popescu consider registering with deedbot also.
23:47 Etherael Done, thanks.
23:59 Framedragger mircea_popescu: k, gotcha, thanks.
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