#trilema | 2016-06-26

$up dum

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dum voiced for 30 minutes.

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$up Dumnezeu

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Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.

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also, did the "frontendy" part of irc log block highlights - e.g., "latest tits happening": http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160625/from:327/to:490#327 - i know this is obscure-ish and not important, but eh

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Dumnezeu

pace tie

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Framedragger o hey nice. archive.is style or homebrew ?

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who're you Dumnezeu ?

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mircea_popescu: homebrew :p

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what style is archive.is style?

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well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?

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Framedragger guy had this js that to me looked really good, but which apparently doesn't look consistent through browsers.

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look it's an afternoon php hack, no js on purpose tho

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(deployed on trilema atm, can read / chec kit)

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aha i see

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ah so i can't arbitrarily-select ?

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yeah ok, diff ting.

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ahh. well, you can, but by clicking multiple times

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you can just select a chunk of trilema it'll give you an url id

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ah. yeah i've seen that. dang, should have thought of that

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that's pretty leet

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it's leet yeah but not so easy to do well. because #browsers

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this thing - you can select a timestamp first time, it'll reload anchored and with from: set; then when you select another timestamp, it'll add to: to the url, resulting in a range with proper permalink'y url

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yeah..

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Dumnezeu

imparatul

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not a bad way to go about it where it works.

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"my thrift store lingerie budget". holy SHIT.

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(as in, if you start from http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today and click a couple of times you'll end up with a range. not too user-friendly, i totally forgot about a js'y no-reload option heh)

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mircea_popescu: i sorta like the idea of avoiding js here if only because that way backend actually gets to know what is select, and can do things about it (including being able to assign a label to that block, to be stored elsewhere (later)); those '#' anchors are not sent to server. buut arbitrary realtime selection is pretty neat, i'll check it later..

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i like the idea of avoiding js also.

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what is selected*

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just, you have the advantage of implicit tokenization by line. text doesn't really have this.

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with irc logs it's easy as selection is rather 'discrete' (one line separate from another). in blog, it's a bunch of text, so more difficult

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though in honesty i suppose propper html should auto-tokenize by "sentence"

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except of course it is NOT actually semantic web.

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yeah.. :/

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Framedragger yeh exactly.

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i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,

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but then again - here we are.

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i guess their teachers never went "i think therefore i am", but always quoted "meditationes de prima philosophia by that guy looking like a frog ; somewhere in there"

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"you mean in discours de la methode?" "no, and don't be vulgar."

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mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, fuck the web, truly.

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never read discourse on the method, does it take his circular "method" to the next level there? :p

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he does look like a frog tho

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nah, it's earlier.

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ah. actually i should know this; right.

~ 54 minutes ~

01:19

mod6

ugh

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mod6

%h

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tb0t

<%a|%add> <project> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>

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mod6

sorry for the disruption. running fine, wanted to get the logging redirected as it should.

~ 2 hours 22 minutes ~

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mircea_popescu waves @tb0t

~ 4 hours 41 minutes ~

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@help

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(if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)

~ 2 hours 36 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490656 << the ~log~ highlights always worked on my boxes, used no js

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Logged on 2016-06-26 04:03 mircea_popescu: well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490683 << ted nelson did !!

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Logged on 2016-06-26 04:19 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,

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$s transclusion

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3 results for "transclusion", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=transclusion

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it was the modern fucktards who shat on his original scheme.

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html etc.

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;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable

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The operation succeeded.

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https://www.rt.com/news/347693-russia-scientology-offices-raids/

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asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-draper-wotnonperson-still-loves-theranos-picked-up-an-ether-habit/ << The cover for fuelling Buterin's waterfall

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[Qntra] Tim Draper (WOT:nonperson) Still Loves Theranos, Picked Up An Ether Habit - http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-draper-wotnonperson-still-loves-theranos-picked-up-an-ether-habit/

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BingoBoingo: lel

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"official cover"

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http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b/?raw=true << moar readable form

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asciilifeform: i assume source is unknown? only asking cause i'm curious, having had some relation to tor

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i have nfi re original src or authenticity.

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as usual.

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kk.

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it is plausible imho. the piece of shit thrashes, cries 'discrimination against veterans', spouts 'i was only following orders' rubbish, etc

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prolly a controlled burn, 'see, we found our one fly, now we're clean!11111' etc

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nope

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but really fucking rofl @ the cia guy

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asciilifeform: you don't know those devs, so fuck off

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reallly interesting and lulzy nonetheless

11:33

waiwut

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"prolly a controlled burn"

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Framedragger hasn't been reading logz has he.

11:34

tor is a usg operation.

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i have, and i've had back and forth with mp on his blog long ago, that conversation he likes to quote, but there is nothing material

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anyone inside who doesn't know - is a useful idiot, my condolences.

11:35

the 'nothing material' is horseshit.

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if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes

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that all the folks who relied on tor are in american prisons now, is fucking evidence enough.

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if you mean that it's *likely* fucked, yes

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nigga please, that aint true at all

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the charade is over.

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we also know about the cmu operation.

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you can't unhappen it.

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sure. look, i'm not saying that anyone of import should use tor

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original design explicitly excluded global passive adversaries anyway

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'oh it was designed to fuck you, printed right on the box' ?

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mno.

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i am not an alzheimers patient and remember very well. all of it.

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but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.

↖ ↖

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agents xor useful idiots.

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sometimes, not all of the times

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no others.

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Framedragger: the only thing for useful idiots to do, to possibly reclaim some dignity, is to repent. publicly.

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they - when tor fucked sr folks raw until their guts fell out - did no such thing.

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which upgrades them to usg stoolies in my book.

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re: useful idiots, marjuana doesn't always do the paranoia thing. See: Amir Taki and other trusting fellows

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22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it?

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21:17 < helix> I think it was incredibly selfish of you to join tor knowing this would utterly fuck us PR-wise

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yeah no shit >.<

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asciilifeform: you do know that tor never promised absolute anonymity etc etc, and says you have to maintain good opsec, tor is not enough etc.

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this is a dodge.

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the folks who used ~any~ tor, with whatever other opsec, are now rotting in auschwitzes

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did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.

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wut? snowden used tor

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what the fuck does that mean, even. plenty of journalists reporting on actual shit use tor all the time

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Framedragger: you will convince no one here. And are destroying own credibility.

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inb4 mp's "those journos are unimportant niggers"

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yes they are.

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i don't give a fuck about "own credibility", lol. i'm here because it's stimulating.

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see i have friends outside this irc, too

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tyvm

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*

Framedragger cools off and goes for coffee

11:48

<Framedragger> wut? snowden used tor << Not as single thing and as soon as what he was doing became known his situation became precarious

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490759 <<< also is in exile and US Prison awaits.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: wut? snowden used tor

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non sequitur as far as tor's use is concerned. he came out himself about him being the leaker. this breaks the anonymity.

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But problems started before coming out, or did you not see Citizen4 and pay attention to "has problems" timeline?

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BingoBoingo: in fairness, i'd have to recall, and you may have a point here - i am not sure.

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film requires careful reading and a bit of gas mask anytime the rat wizard Greenvald speaks

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In other news, from the department of just buy a fucking generator already: https://archive.is/uS5Gx "cordless table saw"

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60V batteries lol

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>> Have you ever killed someone?

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> THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet

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shinohai: Seriously. It's jsut lots of 3.6 volt batteries

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490698 << nah @ is no good because semantic. make it !~ an' from now on i think we'll be moving all bots to !X ie two character init sequence.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 12:27 Framedragger: (if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)

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space's getting crowded.

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mircea_popescu: k, gotcha

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490701 << this is tru.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490683 << ted nelson did !!

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490707 << ~the only value of that thing is to show fucking derps don't have a weblog. "and where's the kitchen table ?" "in our house we don't do kitchen tables." "so what do you do ?" "well if we're hungry there's that trough" "oic."

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:12 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable

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oglafbot

http://oglaf.com/shhh/

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ahahaha

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490726 << they're tools, no question about it.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:33 Framedragger: "prolly a controlled burn"

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whether some are actually imbeciles and, kakobrekla-y, "really really believe" in their idiocy is not a point of interest. between the gestapo man who did it because sadist, and would have done it for free or even paid to have the job, and the gestapo man who did it for the money there's no difference on the gallows.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490732 << "mp saying so" is actually material. bs the derps in question publish hardly meets any conceivable definition of materiality that i can see.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:35 Framedragger: if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490744 << it doesn't matter if the whore has accepted she's a whore in her "inner soul where she is writing her own story". she IS a whore. this is not in her hand, not anymore than she being "female" is in her hand. i decide this, not her, and she can't touch it if she stands on her head.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.

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i understand there's this anglosaxon tradition of "pronouncing a man's name like he himself does" come out of the bizarre happenstance that all of england decided to drop historical pronounciation and follow the airs of random whore history has forgot to mention just about the time they realised it'd be a good idea to mark down how the language works.

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and obviously this has expanded cancerously and out of all proportion in the past coupla decades to "anything".

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nevertheless, it's not a thing. she's not female because she says she's female, nor does she become male if she says she's male now, nor is her name jane because she calls herself jane.

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anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly bright idiots, if

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you wish, but still idiots.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490748 << yeah, the churches are so full of repentant whores.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:40 asciilifeform: Framedragger: the only thing for useful idiots to do, to possibly reclaim some dignity, is to repent. publicly.

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the only strange thing is that they never seem to be 19, and almost always 39.

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kinda destroys the value proposition of the whole thing. im sure that just as soon as the delusion dries up, and their bubble finally gets punctured, be it because we finally smash the fed presses, or for any other reason, they'll find it within themselves that the need to eat exceeds the disinclination to not repent.

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hurr durr an' what's that do.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490752 << well, you have the advantage of reading trilema ; the rest of the world has the advantage of "community science" and "being skeptical". so to them, very much news.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:42 shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it?

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490758 << for one thing, i know for the fact he ran nodes (to find the holes your friends PUT IN). so no, and no, and really nao.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.

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and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490778 << lol. why, because the run from responsibility is so deep ?

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Logged on 2016-06-26 16:12 Framedragger: > THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet

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i've killed people. what now ?

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$up Dumnezeu

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Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.

13:04

;;ticker --market all --currency gbp

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Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 454.923, vol: 6471.44620425 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 447.4162224, vol: 5157.02485 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 475.02, vol: 0.5 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 461.27003, vol: 59832.75340000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 425.115, vol: 12.63806581 | Volume-weighted last average: 459.689477982

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lol dude you and your obscure pula currencies.

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i was like wtf, really ?

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seriously

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But break up island can pretend currency too

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;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

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BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4107.63, vol: 59466.69610000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4107.63

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490812 << just fyi this was me quoting the cia dude, i was lol'ing that he literally said "THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet" - but yeh

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Logged on 2016-06-26 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490778 << lol. why, because the run from responsibility is so deep ?

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re. other stuff, i'm not exactly on the opposite side of the fence, i suppose, so eh!

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ikr, wtf, if you're not at peace with killing wtf are you doing playing soldier for

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not like there's a draft on

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"oh, i just wanted to [get college monyz]"

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schmucks.

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can't even be a proper soldier.

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it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!

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can't be a soldier, can't be a father, can't be an anything for reals, just tryin' ta bla bla bla.

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a sickening display.

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in other non-news nobody cares about, awstats (apache log processing tool) now crashes silently on trilema. because, i am certain, derpage of the nature of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486235

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Logged on 2016-06-21 15:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : wordpress interface dies if one tries to publish a 10mb text article with "unknown error". apparently this has never happened before.

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"we have all these plastic knives and cardboard shoes. don't walk in them. best civilisation."

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o, ahahahha.

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ridiculous :D

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;;bc,stats

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~ 20 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490809 << aha, it is in the logz

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Logged on 2016-06-26 16:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490758 << for one thing, i know for the fact he ran nodes (to find the holes your friends PUT IN). so no, and no, and really nao.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490811 << it is not clear that there is such a thing as 'correct tor' that is still recognizably similar (i.e. real-time)

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Logged on 2016-06-26 16:48 mircea_popescu: and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"

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nor is the centralized 'directory' nonsense anything but pure usgtronics

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asciilifeform it's also not clear there's such a thing as "perpetuum mobile" that is still recognizable. this is no license to sell "state of the art perpetuum mobili"

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aha

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i was reacting to 'build it correctly'

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would you prefer "build correctly the it" ? which is how a sane language would say it, but english gotta homogenize everything.

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you ~can~ build ~something else~ correctly.

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anyway, as to the punctual objection, yes very much directory should be dht.

14:03

[Qntra] IRS Scraps PIN System Amid Continued "Hacks" - http://qntra.net/2016/06/irs-scraps-pin-system-amid-continued-hacks/

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^ related

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mircea_popescu: wot.

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right.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490833 << it is part of the 'escape' fantasy.

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Logged on 2016-06-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!

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as described by tlp

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Moar in tor lulz >>> https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/747109994055766016

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myeah. hopelessness would really help a lot of people.

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'perhaps NEXT YEAR!111 i can stop gassing jews and my real life will start'

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490800 << they Just Want To!11 (tm) (r)

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Logged on 2016-06-26 16:43 mircea_popescu: anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly

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see also huxley's 'improved means towards deteriorated ends'

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who could have predicted just how powerful an analytical tool that random encounter on a blog's comment page would turn out to be.

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asciilifeform haha EXACTLY.

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this, i propose, is what ALWAYS happens when ANY consideration is given to purpose rather than remaining entirely grounded in cause.

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errors travel back down and grind down not your results, but ~your capacity for having any results~.

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it is standard transform from beast of the forest to best of the field.

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seen in systems engineering with disastrous results.

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"why is this line of code here ?" "because we want to..." "bitch, nobody cares, WHY is it here!"

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*beast of the field

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your goals don't fucking enter into it. quo warranto!

~ 36 minutes ~

14:57

[Trilema] How I convinced some jailbirds I'm more demented than they could ever hope to be. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-i-convinced-some-jailbirds-im-more-demented-than-they-could-ever-hope-to-be/

~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490596 << that may be, but the point was the sewage ditch in the middle of the [obviously pedestrian by default] thoroughway, typical for the medieval town.

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Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 asciilifeform: and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.

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and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/0aba33567459e7e3ed7b0970f991a9a6/tumblr_nq576pVTiw1t3kg4lo1_1280.jpg

~ 56 minutes ~

17:28

mircea_popescu: moar lulz: http://freedomoutpost.com/sandy-hook-lead-investigator-maj-william-podgorski-dies-suddenly

~ 34 minutes ~

18:02

http://archive.is/UpMYP <<< it's a konspiracy!!!!

~ 1 hours 49 minutes ~

19:52

heh

19:56

asciilifeform these people with the ads. there's two google shits AND a popup overlay wtf already.

19:59

;;later tell King_Rex please fix your connection.

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The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell pabl0 please fix your connection.

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The operation succeeded.

20:01

da fuck

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wat

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i have nfi wtf this is.

20:03

fleanode.

20:04

so apparently whenever i set flags on a luser, it devoices everyone.

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weird.

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>.>

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apparently you're supposed to say /mode #trilema +b *!*pablo___@213.152.162.94 rather than /msg chanserv FLAGS #trilema *!*pablo___@213.152.162.94 +b

20:07

anyway, this squarely counts as a maintenance item that cost more than not bothering i guess.

~ 34 minutes ~

20:42

mircea_popescu: what can i do to bring the courts-circus project to a close?

20:43

thing's still in limbo, i just remembered

20:43

ask not what tmsr can do for you

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no he has a point, lemme see what was with it.

20:46

also, anyone remember pj?

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i'm just making noise

20:47

three years now and nobody has filled her shoes as far as i know

20:47

ah i remember, you had a solid list but then it turned out there's a bunch of ther judges.

20:47

i remember first seeing that speech on a pirated encarta copy i bought in moscow metro pirate shop

20:47

http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114841

20:48

which pj ?

20:48

'pamela johnson', groklaw person

20:49

mats the major problem is how the fuck does one get an ~actual~ list of all these schmucks.

20:49

http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114900 is my response to hanbot's query about those judges

20:50

hanbot was gonna look at it but got caught up in some trb thing

20:50

no i saw, she threw up some names and you added them, it's very good work. but the point is... are there more ?

20:50

where did they come from hanbot ?

20:50

you got alist or something ?

20:52

yeah mats def did solid work on that thing. dubious if it's complete, dubious how close the measuring could get. mircea_popescu as i recall i googled for related terms, specifically avoiding lists

20:52

gah

20:52

my source of truth was nubbins list, which was based on some judgepedia thing

20:52

anyways i'll go back and double check

20:53

well what the fuck do i do here, the guy has a reasonable stand, but i mean... is this country so orcish it publishes no such thing as a god damned judges list ?

20:53

it boggles the mind ; they want to issue id to livestock, you can't get a list of "magistrates" ?

20:54

mats if you manage to dig out some sort of you know, official publication listing them that'd be golden.

20:54

probably don't want people to start "making lists"

20:54

phf not how "democracy" etc works now is it. of course people make lists, they gotta be afraid. very, very afraid.

20:55

not like I'm gonna be afraid of fucking bureaucrats now wtf.

20:55

anyway - this is what it was, we had a list of unclear provenance, mats processed it well, then more names were found, and it became a question of, well, gotta make a complete proper list.

21:00

and in other mews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f53198b7fe4af57b04275b92aa31aa50/tumblr_mkqb30ar5Z1s9hv2no1_500.gif

21:02

well worst comes to worst, could be done county by county, seems they all have a list, independently.

21:03

just over 3k of 'em.

21:04

uh

21:04

wait, each county has at least one magistrate in it ?

21:04

our list is, iirc, ~30 long

21:05

hanbot mind picking random county for a quick test ?

21:06

nah can't be one or more per county, gotta be district (94). anyway, sure.

21:07

so then what's counties to do with all this ?

21:09

nothing outside my brainfart. ;/

21:09

anyway, by district

21:09

northern california for instance yields http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/judges , total of three, and lemme see

21:10

http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/export.html

21:11

if it is the case that 94 districts average between 2 and 3, then it's quite possible that we have ~all or at least most of the list, considering the pretty draconinc age restricons involved.

21:11

the csv looks broken though...

21:12

mats those seem to be proper judges tho, we're looking for the glorified police station detectives aka "magistrate" judges.

21:13

2/3 in nocal for instance definitely don't belong, very unlikely on the third

21:13

there's a field for 'Bankruptcy and Magistrate service'

21:13

mircea_popescu would you like all districts or some sample (how many?) checked?

21:13

this is a really shit way to organize data

21:13

hanbot how did you get 3 ? i see 1 + 2 + 2 + 6 = 11

21:14

o wait, + 2 more.

21:14

wtf, two distinct groups of em?! why? oh courthouses. ffs, sec.

21:14

lol

21:14

there's 13 on that page (eureka courthouse + visiting judge)

21:15

yeah i'll take a look.

21:15

mats but allow me to quote, "· The large number of blank fields in most records is to accommodate those judges who have been appointed to multiple judicial positions in the federal courts. This makes the data easier to drop into a spreadsheet program. "

21:15

clearly, these people understand things as well as matters.

21:16

anyway, if northern california is the outlier it usually is, we could judge this list to be maybe 3-500 total ? somewhere there, as a guesstimate.

21:19

all eleven are disqualified.

21:20

thirteen. motherfucker.

21:20

o ? but liek details ?

21:21

so according to Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Article 2.09, all judges are magistrates, along with mayors of incorporated cities

21:21

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mats smashes keyboard

21:21

no that's a different item

21:21

it probably deals with pensions etc.

21:22

mere synonimy my dear mats hold on to your sanity :)

21:22

twelve appointed after 1993. no info found on the chief, spero's appt date.

21:23

ah ok.

21:24

i got a feeling the list is in the csv, just gotta massage it a bit...

21:24

possible.

21:24

spotcheck for the 13 enumerated nocal ones ?

21:24

these here judges aren't in 'plum book', are they ?

21:25

asciilifeform thye might be

21:25

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2012/content-detail.html

21:25

some magistrates are appointed by the senate, so could be i believe

21:25

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.2.htm << lists some crap. but does http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/ list the index, like with sane people ? NO! WHY WOULD IT!!1

21:29

;;ticker

21:29

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21:29

;;calc 26.77796860 * 633.6

21:29

16966.520905

21:29

nb.

21:35

fwiw, here's a couple more: northern ny: 7 mag. judges, all disqualified by appt. date. northern tx: 9 mag. judges, 1 qualifies and is not on list (Clinton Averitte), 7 disqualified by appt. date, 1 no appt. date found.

21:35

he wasn't appointed, he was just born there.

21:35

the mess in the paperwork i swear...

21:39

here's a tidbit asciilifeform will no doubt appreciate : "Turn Self in Program Under this program you may turn yourself in without posting a bond. You are required to br ing 25.00 non refundable fee for each warrant."

21:40

this is glorious

21:40

where is it

21:40

and what can you turn yourself in for ? and is there discount if multiple crimes ?

21:41

no discount!

21:41

eh.

21:41

but some warrants don't even qualify!

21:41

anyway, minnehaha county sheriff information.

21:42

l0l

21:42

voluntary impalement, bring own stake

21:42

phf nah, because a) must be "proper" ie "standard" and b) they already sold out the headcount to a private company

21:42

so bring $195. in cash.

~ 24 minutes ~

22:07

<mircea_popescu> the mess in the paperwork i swear... << and that lack of data via northern tx's listing, the best i've seen so far, all other judges have year of appointment and the holy grail, year of birth (inconceivable!), but this Hal R. Ray guy, absolutely nothing. google him, ditto, buncha mugs with the same last name. i suppose he was signed up this morning.

22:07

maybe he's the secret agent magistrate judge

22:07

tum- tu-tum- tududududm

22:08

Who has a $2 pipe wrench soaking in vinegar? This guy!

22:09

so you know, someone who needs to know this stuff for their job fails, which means someone further down the line idem, no wonder no sense comes out of anything touching the atrocity.

22:10

and wtf kind of name is Hal R. Ray, even.

22:10

check it out he absolutely doesn't exist.

22:11

BingoBoingo: why vinegar?

22:11

phf: To remove the rust and leave a black oxide finish in its place.

22:11

aah

22:12

*

phf soaks things in gasoline

22:12

but i guess that'll remove the finish

22:12

Well gasoline won't leave an oxide after it breaks through the rust to actual steel

22:13

he has a kid hal r ray jr who's in phi delta phi, u texas at fort worth

22:18

BingoBoingo: what's wrong with naval jelly

22:19

asciilifeform: It's hot and I'd have to get in the car to get it. Pipe wrench merely required happy accident of walking past driveway sale.

22:32

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asciilifeform re-read the alba y yeltes mega-piece for umpteenth time, blames mircea_popescu

22:33

did you folx know that the man wrote 3111117 B00KZ!!

22:33

i would like to read'em

22:33

but they seem to exist in 1 copy each, at the national lib in madrid.

22:33

( he wrote 2, 1 about 'the atom', other - about how The Answer Lies in the Sewers (tm) (r) )

22:34

( which piece ? https://core.ac.uk/display/199266 << it )

22:40

that display is so shitty im not surprised it's on a uk website.

22:40

i posted decrufted ver eons ago

22:40

need a new one ?

22:40

nah, jus' sayin'

22:40

(it appears to be the closest thing to a biography of the man in any language i can think of)

22:41

do i have to go in person to madrid to get his auto-bio ?

22:41

anyone who has a tip - let's have it.

22:41

( do we have a man near madrid ? )

22:42

in other news, five fat old ugly women left the british labour "shadow cabinet"

22:42

dramaz.

22:42

to be replaced immediately with young, thin, pretty ones ?

22:42

socialists don't have pretty womenz.

22:43

they dun have plenty of things

22:43

can import.

22:44

lazy reportage http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/26/sacramento-stabbings-violence-clash-national-socialists-anti-fascists/

22:48

"anti fascists" being a bunch of obnoxious libertards abusing the naivite of this generation's punks.

22:51

Eh I thought they were just tards who wanted to belong to something.

22:52

most of them. but it's possibly the subculture most visibly infested by niggers

22:52

"lgbt" is 2/3 to 4/5ths niggers by mass, the actual people with an actual sexual preference are lost among the aspirants to eating off the treasury.

22:53

the antifa bs is more in the early stage, 10 to 20 confused kiddies who just want to crack a skull to one "manipulator" derp.

22:54

hey this described ~whole 20th c., blackshirts and all.

~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~

23:56

Part 1 of 5 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4679

23:58

$up naughtygirl

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