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00:03 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/KKdrsL.png
00:06 trinque adlai: where's the suicide note deed? was that one of your poems?
00:06 trinque and hats off to asciilifeform!
00:07 trinque rss was in there from last time, steadfastly waiting for the next great phuctoring
00:08 trinque adlai: I'd wager you'd be saner with - y'know - fewer drugs in bloodstream.
00:08 trinque hell I quit coffee entirely about 3wks ago, feel great
00:10 trinque after I kick cigs I'll be fit to sow the lord's blessed seed at a mormon temple
00:23 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459542 << i like. top two esp.
00:23 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 01:12 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
00:23 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459609 << this seems to be going around
00:23 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 01:55 ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
00:24 pete_dushenski like the jewish plague. now imagine the beak on ~that~ mask.
00:24 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459611 << brrrravo
00:24 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 01:59 deedbot: [Loper OS] Phuctor is Back! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1639
00:26 pete_dushenski ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/#comment-45668 << you schadenfreuded ? ~i~ think i broke new psychohistorical ground by schadenfreuding myself! it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion and it was like i was trying to laugh myself to death before the impact took all the glory
00:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:27 pete_dushenski ;;later tell adlai http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/13/contravex-now-with-expanded-archives/#comment-45667 << cheers
00:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:28 * pete_dushenski just realised he needs to drop out of valley girl school. "it was like this, it was like totally omg that"
00:29 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459133 << the only place i'd previously heard of the retardendo locals doing this is venezuela.
00:29 a111 Logged on 2016-04-29 01:03 mircea_popescu: they also believe "de lujo" means 60k crap from the us, fucking ford fiestas and whatnit
00:30 pete_dushenski and for venezuelans fighting 50% per annum hyperinflation and with a litre of gas at $0.02, it sorta made sense
00:34 adlai trinque: thread starting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321084
00:34 a111 Logged on 2015-11-10 01:07 asciilifeform: ty
00:34 adlai ;;later tell pete_dushenski i'm right here, no need to sic the dogs after me
00:34 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:35 pete_dushenski but further supporting the unique brand of lunacy in the southern half of the americas are quotes like this, which displays magnitudes of sales volume fluctuation unseen anywhere else on the planet : "Outsold by Chevrolet in January, Volkswagen reclaims the top spot this month with 8.359 sales and 17.5% share but is up just 3% vs. +64% for Chevrolet at 8.253 units and 17.3%."
00:35 pete_dushenski adlai: myea, my bad eh
00:36 pete_dushenski who knew i'd get rusty so fast ?
00:36 * adlai stepped aside from laptop to handroll his first usb condom
00:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459749 << i've been smoking less and less myself. no idea exactly why, but i've had this tin of cigarillos since last year ;/
00:36 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 04:10 trinque: after I kick cigs I'll be fit to sow the lord's blessed seed at a mormon temple
00:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459761 << all part of your twat charm :D
00:37 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 04:28 pete_dushenski just realised he needs to drop out of valley girl school. "it was like this, it was like totally omg that"
00:37 pete_dushenski haha!
00:37 pete_dushenski i get called a jerk and asshole all the time, but not twat much
00:38 pete_dushenski https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zero-minutes-of-fame/nnagcddidgaecaalfhpcnkofldafahce << for all the chrome using ostriches
00:38 mircea_popescu the difference between venezuela and argentina is ~20 years.
00:38 mircea_popescu brazil soon to follow, at the rate they've been dekulakizing.
00:40 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321117 << fwiw http://deedbot.org/deed-375398-2.txt is a prototype for upcoming RFC, "proof by example of the key revocation protocol"
00:40 a111 Logged on 2015-11-10 01:32 ben_vulpes: http://deedbot.org/bundle-375398.txt
00:41 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: did you ever consider moving to brazil
00:41 mircea_popescu nope.
00:41 mircea_popescu too hot.
00:41 adlai includes proper seppuku, ie, privkey cleartext in `strings -n 20 .bitcoin/etc`
00:42 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: there's that eh
00:42 adlai because death, like all else, has a cost.
00:42 pete_dushenski tough to beat brasilian beauties though
00:43 adlai the men are all wrong though, pressuring the women to butt up and bust down
00:43 adlai sk has the surgery polarization correct
00:44 pete_dushenski brasilian men are also fat losers
00:44 adlai i'll fit right in!
00:44 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not so tough. i can appreciate a green eye mulatto, and a brazillian butt, sure.
00:44 mircea_popescu but then again i can appreciate many things. provided they're not chinese.
00:45 pete_dushenski lol but weren't you moving to chengdu next ?
00:45 mircea_popescu notrly. can't quite sell self on it.
00:45 * pete_dushenski seems to recall "mp moving to mainland" thread
00:46 pete_dushenski speaking of china and incentives http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36130081
00:47 mircea_popescu think about that, 3 bucks a km IN THE AMBULANCE.
00:47 mircea_popescu think about it #2 : chinese man outraged that 80km ride in ambulance cost almost half the average nat'l wage.
00:47 mircea_popescu that, in ustard terms, would be about $800
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01:05 pete_dushenski gotta be up in 6 hours... laters!
~ 3 hours 14 minutes ~
04:19 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'David J. Watt <david.j.watt@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9175E06FAFC792B3721328E39E1C7CB2032D61443A535C73CC6D220E54A977F0
~ 6 hours 27 minutes ~
10:47 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459567 << ahh, phuctor broke the Heimann !
10:47 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 01:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Andreas Heimann <Andreas.Heimann@piratenpartei-hessen.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67B53A956C56248022299BE1489190E8B96BB1C707161816375F64BE3AA9AAE1
10:50 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459705 << this came up already >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
10:50 a111 Logged on 2016-01-20 04:34 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.
10:50 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 03:37 adlai: danielpbarron: what do you have to say about the 12step meme's appropriation of your memeplex in step 1? (and its appropriation of bb's brain, but that's another matter, and better memes than liquor dreams)
~ 38 minutes ~
11:29 BingoBoingo Seeing no alf submissions...
11:30 deedbot [Qntra] US Congress Considers Expanding Authority Of Bureaucratic Magistrates - http://qntra.net/2016/04/us-congress-considers-expanding-authority-of-bureaucratic-magistrates/
11:38 mircea_popescu and in other lulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExtlQZwmMDw
11:38 mircea_popescu peabody awards channel. 0 subscribers. head of warner animation dept acceptance speech. 360 views.
11:38 mircea_popescu THE INTERNETS
11:39 BingoBoingo srsly
11:41 mircea_popescu in their defense, the fee to propose an entrant is ~80 bitcents rather than 50 bitcoin.
11:42 * mircea_popescu goes to check if qntra article references expansions of police judicial powers in soviet union.
11:44 BingoBoingo Mostly mocks magistrates as not real judges
11:44 mircea_popescu "Neatly mirroring the decaying implementation of Justice in the Soviet Union fifty years prior, The United States Congress is considering changing a number of rule changes to the Federal Rules of"
11:44 mircea_popescu "Chief among this changes is broadening the authority of" these ?
11:45 mircea_popescu sub-judicial magistrate "judges" becomes "police station gonzos"
11:46 mircea_popescu and generally methinks the official view going forward should be that a) magistrate "judges" are in no sense and to no degree different from police detectives and b) no valid authority is vested in them. as teh beast will perforce find itself more and more dependent and reliant on their offices, helps to have the message out first.
11:51 BingoBoingo updatit
11:52 BingoBoingo Relatit https://i.imgur.com/YfOE8zi.png
11:53 mircea_popescu lol
11:53 mircea_popescu hey, it's hard to argue that mulatto kids look always better than their black parent and about half the time better than the white one too.
11:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "is considering changing a number of rule changes to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure" > is considering changing the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure
11:55 shinohai ;;ticker
11:55 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 452.01, Best ask: 452.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 452.01, 24 hour volume: 13094.32934436, 24 hour low: 450.0, 24 hour high: 457.49, 24 hour vwap: None
11:55 BingoBoingo aha, fxd
11:55 mircea_popescu recall teh what-s-his-name derp. "personalize". mp is immune from personalization ; the uscongress is not. exploit this difference, thus therefore "is considering changing" rathert than "is considering changes to". first rhymes with "taking a crap into" way the fuck better.
11:56 BingoBoingo ic
11:56 mircea_popescu meanwhile "what's his name" evaluated to saul d. alinsky.
11:57 BingoBoingo yeah, fucking chicago pederast
11:58 BingoBoingo Hastert, Alinsky, Bahamas... fuck chicago
11:58 mircea_popescu for a strict recap : 1. power is not just what you have, but also what the enemy thinks you have. arbitrage every difference, to your benefit. punish the enemy ruthlessly when it dares challenge the latter part, chinese or no chinese, cartel or no cartel.
11:59 mircea_popescu 2. never go outside the expertise of your wot ; always go outside the expertise of enemy's.
11:59 mircea_popescu 3. make them live to their book of rules. if you also have a book of rules you lose.
11:59 mircea_popescu and on it goes. not half bad.
12:11 mircea_popescu also lolz at the wikipedia-sanitized version of anarchism, reinterpreted as variations of the "golden rule" brand. ya i'm sure, and cars are a sort of Ford amirite. vivat intellectual property!
12:12 mircea_popescu "you may call your socialism anything you wish including anarchism for as long as the allequal principle is not molested" hurr.
12:23 hanbot <mircea_popescu> in their defense, the fee to propose an entrant is ~80 bitcents rather than 50 bitcoin. << i lolled
12:25 mircea_popescu :p
~ 2 hours 28 minutes ~
14:53 jurov $rate adlai -999 junkie!!! cnat keep secrets!!!!
14:53 deedbot (<= 0 (abs rating) 10)
14:55 jurov and iirc i have asked BingoBoingo about what is so exceptional on my service, he was like "as compared to anything in the US"
14:57 jurov and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc...
15:00 ben_vulpes oh brutal i didn't know princessnell'd hosed herself
15:00 ben_vulpes (heh great error message, trinque )
15:05 jurov actually it means you can give 0 rating?
15:06 jurov $rate 0 tripleslash nfi
15:06 * deedbot hands you a broomstick.
15:06 shinohai lo
15:07 jurov $rate tripleslash 0 nfi
15:07 deedbot (<= 0 (abs rating) 10)
15:07 jurov someone here fils at maffs!
15:07 jurov *fails
15:07 jurov trinque check yer intervals
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15:24 trinque ah testicles
15:24 trinque that's just a string error message
15:25 trinque fix it later
15:25 trinque nvm, perfectionism.
15:34 trinque $rate jurov 9000 bug finder
15:34 deedbot (<= 1 (abs rating) 10)
15:42 jurov trinque: that's not string, but s-expr :D
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16:38 BingoBoingo https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1013961
16:44 shinohai ^ lulz
16:45 BingoBoingo OMFG IS THIS A RESPONSE TO pete_dushenski? http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=special_orders
16:47 mircea_popescu loller.
16:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> oh brutal i didn't know princessnell'd hosed herself << o.O
16:51 shinohai Gracious donations to shareholders?
16:51 mircea_popescu to the broker, logically.
17:00 shinohai well to jurov, yes
17:00 shinohai >.<
17:03 jurov shinohai: looks like need some clarification wrt the line-up?
17:03 jurov *you need
17:16 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5371 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Ben Boeckel <boeckb@rpi.edu>; Ben Boeckel <MathStuf@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BACD25B20B53FB075B625A0DB142A78948207892E5466A2129FC58D85A744726
17:18 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1687922147721 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kristof Koerner <buero@kristofkoerner.de>; Kristof Koerner <bummtschak@googlemail.com>; Kristof Koerner <unterricht@kristofkoerner.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F31C79912C1899F639860FCC37F4789264841127A6F8AED81C73A222D9080A2
~ 1 hours 44 minutes ~
19:02 mircea_popescu in related news, http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89713/offline-rsa-strong-prime-test-similar-to-phuctor
19:03 mircea_popescu check it out asciilifeform you created a household brand
19:03 mircea_popescu soon things will be "the phuctor of dating" etc.
19:05 mircea_popescu a nm, i see you commented thar.
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19:22 mircea_popescu and in vaguely interesting news, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/046-google-is-making-you-stupid.html
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19:42 shinohai http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/30/cerns-large-hadron-collider-on-standby-after-wease/
19:43 BingoBoingo Just like pee-dog
19:47 hanbot <jurov> and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc... << err, if "she" lost her key, how'd she prove it was her that lost it?
19:50 mircea_popescu good q eh.
19:55 BingoBoingo Perhaps had key requested jurov say that?
19:57 hanbot i wouldn't be at all surprised if w/e tranquil pools of the republic are rippled with social engineering attempts
20:03 mod6 hi
20:06 mod6 <+adlai> mod6: and i say this with greatest regard for alf, but i will probably get more "12step" mileage out of your T-shirt (of the hair variety, sadly, but trimmer than orgmode!) than trb and phuctor, combined << wut? you lost me there amigo.
20:06 deedbot [Trilema] Hail Cesar! - http://trilema.com/2016/hail-cesar/
20:11 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> by now the phuctor rss is actually a major reason to watch this chan. i have nfi how one could be "in crypto/compsec/sysadmin" and NOT want to see the key holes in real time. << the congressional record is reason enough; but with broadcasted ass fuckings, all the more reason indeed Sir.
20:11 mod6 i <3 s.nsa
20:12 mod6 glad to see phuctor back
20:13 mod6 Salud, asciilifeform!
20:22 asciilifeform ty mod6
20:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459880 << that thing is from eons ago !
20:22 a111 Logged on 2016-04-30 23:02 mircea_popescu: in related news, http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89713/offline-rsa-strong-prime-test-similar-to-phuctor
20:22 asciilifeform Phuctored: 5371 divides ... <MathStuf@gmail.com> << l0l!!
20:23 asciilifeform ^ not 'mirrored' either!
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20:41 mod6 jeeze
20:42 mod6 we've discussed a lot of things in here.. have we talked about anything that you can say isn't a total pile of shit as far as a physical random number generator?
20:42 mod6 outside of dice?
20:42 mod6 is there some sortof radioactive decay thing that you've see or used that is worth the money?
20:42 mod6 s/see/seen/
20:49 mircea_popescu hopefully cardano already!
20:49 mod6 i need a lab, and some co-57
20:51 mircea_popescu why co57 ?
20:52 mod6 err, i was as thinking 56, but hell i dunn
20:52 mod6 o
20:52 mod6 i need some random numbers
20:52 mircea_popescu 4
20:52 mircea_popescu ^
20:53 mod6 56 has a halflife of like 77.27 days
20:53 mircea_popescu listen, you don't specifically need radioactive decay. you could do something as simple as running a laser bean through six layers of mosquito net.
20:55 mod6 hmm.
20:55 mod6 6 layer mosquito net is good enough defraction? or how's that work?
20:57 mircea_popescu well, you take a mouse apart, and stick a bunch of layers of tight netting in between the light and the detector element.
20:57 mircea_popescu the result will be some sort of noise.
20:57 mircea_popescu because yes, difraction.
20:58 mod6 huh.
20:59 mod6 ok. seems do-able.
20:59 mircea_popescu you can also buy a g-m counter, they're not terribly expensive, lay it on some ceramic tile or somesuch.
21:00 mod6 sounds good, but why ceramic?
21:01 mircea_popescu the principal source of natural rads.
21:02 mod6 wow, reading on this now....
21:05 mod6 no idea that it had any sortof rad level higher than background. thx Mr. P.!
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21:26 asciilifeform i toured a lab today where i saw scintillating... ~fiber~.
21:26 asciilifeform end glows blue, to naked eye - constantly
21:26 asciilifeform (enough events, even indoors, for this)
21:27 asciilifeform pretty much solves the problems from which i refused to use geiger tube in my rng
21:27 asciilifeform (they need hv source, which in turn requires oscillator, which introduces nonrandom signal component; ~and~ tube wears with time)
21:28 asciilifeform http://www.crystals.saint-gobain.com/Scintillating_Fiber.aspx << no pricing, sadly.
21:28 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-May/000221.html
21:30 mod6 hey that's neat asciilifeform
21:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1459921 << this setup is equivalent to microphone (the only random element is the vibration of the meshes)
21:30 a111 Logged on 2016-05-01 00:57 mircea_popescu: the result will be some sort of noise.
21:31 asciilifeform 'some sort of noise' is very low bar, actual battlefield rng needs a number of other properties (chiefly, difficulty for the enemy in influencing or predicting the output)
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22:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually that's the test for good fiber
22:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i posit that the mesh vibrator thing is ~= throwing dice.
22:16 deedbot [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/05/qntra-s-qntr-april-2016-report/
22:16 mircea_popescu anyway. item described reduces to SUBSONIC microphone. which is a major difference.
22:23 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:23 gribble Current Blocks: 409645 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 1618 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1459944 << aha, correlates with every passing truck, l0l!
22:25 a111 Logged on 2016-05-01 02:16 mircea_popescu: anyway. item described reduces to SUBSONIC microphone. which is a major difference.
22:25 asciilifeform quite the difference!1111
22:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phuctor ddos...?
22:32 asciilifeform (not http, either, but 'classy', looks like syn flood)
22:32 mircea_popescu guess so.
22:32 asciilifeform gotta love public toiletnet
22:32 mircea_popescu eh truck my foot!
22:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ftr i see it.
22:33 asciilifeform also.
22:33 asciilifeform (but for 1/2 hr or so, it was blackhole)
22:33 mircea_popescu yawell... we got the rss and so on. dun sweat it.
22:39 asciilifeform in other l0ltr0n1cs, http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/claude-shannon-the-father-of-the-information-age-turns-1100100
22:39 asciilifeform 'By 1960... Shannon had retreated. He no longer participated much in the field that he had created, publishing only rarely.'
22:48 asciilifeform in yet other lelz,
22:50 asciilifeform 'kuraray' sells scintillar fibre ( http://kuraraypsf.jp ) , but:
22:50 asciilifeform 'The scintillating fiber is assigned in article 1 of the Export Trade Control Order as undermining the maintenance of international peace and safety. To export this item, an approval of the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry of Japan is required, so we need to confirm the end user and application for each sales. We may sell the fibers to you, but we would have to check and confirm the end user and application everytime we have
22:50 asciilifeform an inquiry from you, and we may not be able to accept some inquiries depending on the end user and application...'
22:50 asciilifeform (from catalogue.)
22:50 asciilifeform usg verboten !
22:50 asciilifeform usg would rather that folks did not have cheap, low-power geigerz that never wear out
22:51 asciilifeform (and happily detect, e.g., neutron flux)
22:57 asciilifeform it is quite interesting, apparently this thing can be bought ~nowhere.
22:58 asciilifeform at least without 'note from hitler.'
22:59 asciilifeform (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?)
23:05 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaand here's the sorta folk who are hogging the goodz, and hear from their own mouth why: http://www.nucsafe.com/cms/Why+Neutrons/51.html
23:06 asciilifeform 'we detect yer neutronz. and dun want you detecting ours, aha'
23:11 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/18PAQRN.txt << lulzy.
23:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:20 BingoBoingo ;;lasers
23:20 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
23:23 asciilifeform ;;grasers
23:23 gribble Error: "grasers" is not a valid command.
23:23 asciilifeform eh.
23:24 BingoBoingo ;;masers
23:24 gribble Error: "masers" is not a valid command.
23:24 BingoBoingo ;;laserkittens
23:24 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
23:27 mod6 someone is knockin on all the doors alf
23:31 * BingoBoingo wonders what it means when phuctor is DDoS on a day qntra barely recieved any comment spamzors
23:34 mod6 btw, this snow crash book is pretty good. about 1/2 way through...
23:37 asciilifeform mod6: the baked-in presumption of webtardism is almost insulting
23:37 BingoBoingo The amazing load bearing capacity of the human spine brought to you by Beyonce https://i.sli.mg/gdOUR5.png
23:38 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/GU00DW.jpg
23:43 BingoBoingo Which of course is all leading up to OMG BITBET MOVEMENT! https://archive.is/oLSmy
23:44 BingoBoingo Holy shit buyer is doing something with site
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