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00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12767 @ 0.00056584 = 7.2241 BTC [-]
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00:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61608 @ 0.00056452 = 34.7789 BTC [-] {4}
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21088 @ 0.00056498 = 11.9143 BTC [+]
00:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41325 @ 0.00056498 = 23.3478 BTC [+]
00:56 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401125 << Appears to be missing
00:56 assbot Logged on 09-02-2016 18:54:06; mircea_popescu: hmm looks like qntra ate my comment
00:57 punkman http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-77-percent-of-train-cameras-are-fake-6818459.php
00:57 assbot BART admits 77 percent of train cameras are fake or don’t work - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUIXZY )
00:59 punkman https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-fear-bureaucratic-paralysis-by-minxin-pei-2016-02
00:59 assbot China’s Rule of Fear by Minxin Pei - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJ5J0 )
01:10 punkman http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks"
01:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJR8N )
01:13 mircea_popescu there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia.
01:13 mircea_popescu which is what happened : the fed owns all of them anyway.
01:15 mircea_popescu in other news, http://static.adclickxpress.is/avx/images/b/DHM160X600.jpg
01:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUKj79 )
01:15 mircea_popescu %, best moneys ever.
01:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95922 @ 0.00056723 = 54.4098 BTC [+] {2}
01:30 BingoBoingo In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie.
01:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00055973 = 48.1088 BTC [-] {4}
01:35 BingoBoingo On the other side Sanders beat Clitler 13 delegates to 9
01:47 mircea_popescu vaguely related, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ef68c41bdf08d2706812737b323f547/tumblr_mhg0b3hl3n1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
01:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RondI3 )
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00056099 = 32.6496 BTC [+] {4}
02:06 BingoBoingo In further developments, Cruz has now jumped Rubio as the new BitBet favorite.
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02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34875 @ 0.00056928 = 19.8536 BTC [+] {3}
02:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00056141 = 32.3934 BTC [-]
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02:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00056379 = 8.8233 BTC [+] {2}
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00056379 = 10.4865 BTC [+]
03:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19106 @ 0.00056379 = 10.7718 BTC [+]
03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00056379 = 38.6196 BTC [+]
03:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
03:28 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.88, vol: 5740.47168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.14, vol: 13050.93419762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.45205, vol: 18178.66740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 1167.00217383 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.63624, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
03:28 BingoBoingo ;;more
03:28 gribble 383.230107573
03:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency jpy
03:28 gribble Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 43270.9375, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 43774.255875, vol: 5740.47168 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43328.25, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 44652.5716, vol: 18185.49820000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 43427.931, vol: 173.34285269 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 43725.7692, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: 44210.4863285
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59150 @ 0.00056535 = 33.4405 BTC [+] {3}
03:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00056639 = 11.4694 BTC [+]
03:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61822 @ 0.00056639 = 35.0154 BTC [+]
03:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22078 @ 0.00057024 = 12.5898 BTC [+]
03:55 punkman http://irdajp.info/images/irdastack.PNG nice pile of crap
03:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkoM7e )
04:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00057203 = 44.4467 BTC [+] {5}
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04:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73675 @ 0.00056471 = 41.605 BTC [-]
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04:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00056379 = 17.703 BTC [-] {2}
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05:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90081 @ 0.00056358 = 50.7678 BTC [-] {3}
05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86839 @ 0.00056315 = 48.9034 BTC [-] {2}
05:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36858 @ 0.00056033 = 20.6526 BTC [-] {3}
05:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106691 @ 0.00055973 = 59.7182 BTC [-] {3}
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169756 @ 0.00057096 = 96.9239 BTC [+] {7}
05:54 deedbot- [Qntra] Intel Removes Skylake Feature Retroactively With Microcode Update - http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-removes-skylake-feature-retroactively-with-microcode-update/
06:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86150 @ 0.00056053 = 48.2897 BTC [-]
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07:26 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401805 < 'take care' as in 'dont drive over this puddle of kittens or it will break!!!!'
07:26 assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank
07:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00056053 = 5.3531 BTC [-]
07:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71023 @ 0.00057252 = 40.6621 BTC [+] {3}
07:31 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1386711 >>> raise your hand if you've ever replaced AFV treads
07:31 assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 00:06:01; ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic
07:32 adlai kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys
07:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42312 @ 0.00056225 = 23.7899 BTC [-] {2}
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.00055888 = 8.1529 BTC [-]
07:46 BingoBoingo adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts?
07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00057465 = 60.2233 BTC [+] {4}
07:48 adlai heh that'd be good for some hand-wringing: planned obsolescence in military equipment. expiration date reached? cardano broadcasts private key!
07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107800 @ 0.00057632 = 62.1273 BTC [+] {3}
07:54 BingoBoingo Seriously It's a thing
07:55 BingoBoingo Compare and contrase Humvee and Toyota/Nissan truck maintenance
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08:17 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs
08:18 kakobrekla adlai, mircea_popescu , can you sit on it ?
08:18 mircea_popescu a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate.
08:18 mircea_popescu adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them.
08:19 mircea_popescu kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes
08:19 adlai mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't let that feeling show!
08:19 mircea_popescu later, with the womenz.
08:19 mircea_popescu that's what womenz are for amirite.
08:19 kakobrekla yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.
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08:19 mircea_popescu lol ok.
08:19 mircea_popescu qed.
08:20 * mircea_popescu reads the log, sees the people have basically said what he was going to say anyway, realises that he is rapidly becoming superfluous
08:21 mircea_popescu PARTAY!
08:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00057102 = 41.97 BTC [-] {2}
08:21 mircea_popescu speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/349d419fa0c0de096bca20136675a677/tumblr_nxd0kzYROr1uu92gho1_1280.jpg
08:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3nNtI )
08:24 BingoBoingo Why is the mobility impaired in this ad? https://i.sli.mg/nyYJ2T.png
08:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3o6VB )
08:24 asciilifeform !s tigerfibel
08:24 assbot 1 results for 'tigerfibel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tigerfibel
08:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21130 @ 0.00057758 = 12.2043 BTC [+] {3}
08:25 asciilifeform ;;google tigerfibel
08:25 gribble Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: <http://www.alanhamby.com/tigerfibel.shtml>; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigerfibel>; Die "Tiger Fibel": <http://www.gunfun.de/tigerfibel.pdf>
08:25 asciilifeform ^ re: tank, megaclassic
08:26 mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/eb0cphL.webm
08:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3ofs0 )
08:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6070 @ 0.00057819 = 3.5096 BTC [+]
08:28 adlai BingoBoingo: passive-aggressive fat shaming
08:28 BingoBoingo adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are.
08:29 BingoBoingo Apparently Colorado Technical is Butterbeast Community College IRL https://media.licdn.com/media-proxy/ext?w=480&h=360&f=&hash=SVXh%2Fx2nSIwBC9J9NkbXHL67CMg%3D&ora=1%2CaFBCTXdkRmpGL2lvQUFBPQ%2CxAVta9Er0Vj73QIOyxEmrq2OoACm7QgQc4XjLVrnIVf9j8rYISO8L5aaJfa__h1B
08:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdb3W )
08:30 mircea_popescu http://www.alanhamby.com/Tigerfibel/supplements.jpg << lol KWI, best doorstop tank
08:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdhIF )
08:31 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995
08:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00057825 = 64.5327 BTC [+] {4}
08:35 mircea_popescu selbst moralisten und moral sind unmoralisch manches mal!
08:35 mircea_popescu such a gem this thing
08:37 asciilifeform i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread
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08:37 mircea_popescu multiple. still a fucking gem.
08:37 asciilifeform aha!!
08:38 asciilifeform best manual for a product in history, srsly
08:38 mircea_popescu could well be, yeah. was just contemplating that.
08:38 mircea_popescu fucking EXACT opposite of contemporary anglo retardation, incidentally.
08:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15336 @ 0.00057102 = 8.7572 BTC [-] {2}
08:38 asciilifeform aha
08:39 asciilifeform much this
08:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.0005695 = 30.6961 BTC [-]
08:41 mircea_popescu fucking thing had virtually no suspensions, manual inertial starter, fucking wooden seats if memory serves...
08:41 mircea_popescu no living wage fucktard loved his honda civic like this tank was loved.
08:42 mircea_popescu you wanna complain about being stguck in traffic, how about being stuck in fucking rasputitza.
08:42 asciilifeform 34 was loved, idk re tiger
08:43 * adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved
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08:43 assbot Lebanon (2009 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3qjjL )
08:44 asciilifeform adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch.
08:45 adlai aha! yes!
08:45 adlai significantly less traumatic.
08:46 mircea_popescu did the t34 even have seats ?\
08:46 asciilifeform did
08:46 mircea_popescu iirc they just suspended the crewman on anal hooks
08:46 asciilifeform nah thats american cars
08:46 mircea_popescu lol
08:48 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook.
08:48 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEel8zOyTgc << indicated soundtrack for said fibel.
08:48 assbot Mit Bomben und Granaten Marsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFfiVo )
09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49079 @ 0.0005695 = 27.9505 BTC [-]
09:08 mircea_popescu lol frau elvira gab. tiger.
09:10 mircea_popescu "OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written
09:10 mircea_popescu instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of
09:10 mircea_popescu information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals
09:10 mircea_popescu running round with an internal monologue which if dragged first from
09:10 mircea_popescu mentalese to Cantonese and thus to English might be rendered as "I'm an
09:10 mircea_popescu S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.)
09:10 mircea_popescu They pass the outputs of their rule-following to designated, possibly
09:10 mircea_popescu conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES
09:10 mircea_popescu encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight.
09:10 mircea_popescu And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot
09:10 mircea_popescu after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand
09:10 mircea_popescu not only block cipher design but the content of the encrypted message :-)
09:10 mircea_popescu Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z"
09:11 mircea_popescu ahaha such a gem #2.
09:11 mircea_popescu i proclaim this the morning of gems!
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "I would hope that anyone reading Schneier's article would recognize that it is seriously flawed in many ways."
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Kery Minola: "You are really grasping at straws...."
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense."
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities."
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?"
09:12 mircea_popescu 1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages."
09:12 mircea_popescu basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever.
09:13 mircea_popescu 1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol.
09:14 mircea_popescu !up Sheepola
09:21 mircea_popescu 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
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09:21 mircea_popescu funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
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09:22 mircea_popescu #b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it.
09:27 mircea_popescu anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.
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09:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7984 @ 0.00057853 = 4.619 BTC [+]
09:45 deedbot- [Qntra] Clapper: "Internet Of Things" Offers Tempting Surveillance Opportunities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/clapper-internet-of-things-offers-tempting-surveillance-opportunities/
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12907 @ 0.00057119 = 7.3723 BTC [-]
09:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4794 @ 0.0005773 = 2.7676 BTC [+]
09:54 mircea_popescu http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.
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09:54 assbot #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrkkRX )
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.0005773 = 21.7065 BTC [+]
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10:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402047 << recall the 'eternity' service
10:44 assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
10:44 asciilifeform and related experiments, in the old days
10:44 mircea_popescu aha
10:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402049 << so far no answer from blaze
10:45 assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:27:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.
10:45 * mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech.
10:46 mircea_popescu oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA
10:46 mircea_popescu glhf.
10:51 asciilifeform what tech? rsa ?
10:55 mod6 mornin'
10:55 mod6 <shinohai> successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 << cool! beat up on it, let me know if you find any probs.
10:56 shinohai Because if I am useful for nothing else around here it is breaking things.
10:56 mod6 break it!
10:58 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402054 << what part of this ?
10:58 assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 14:54:48; mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.
10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.0005773 = 20.7539 BTC [+]
11:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang.
11:03 mircea_popescu let's be explicit here lol.
11:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang.
11:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> what part of this ? << all of it.
11:04 mircea_popescu and omfg cherries here are good.
11:04 mircea_popescu Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it.
11:04 mircea_popescu "no legitimacy in democracy".
11:05 asciilifeform eh they just have a different pope
11:05 asciilifeform naturally no other pope is welcome
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00057842 = 20.3315 BTC [+] {3}
11:07 mircea_popescu besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law.
11:07 mircea_popescu and interpretation is included in there.
11:09 asciilifeform they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc.
11:09 asciilifeform snore.
11:09 mircea_popescu so ?
11:09 mircea_popescu this is like saying rms also doesn't wash.
11:09 mircea_popescu da fuck do i care if he does.
11:10 asciilifeform well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged'
11:10 mircea_popescu i had no intention of fucking him anyway. unless he were to hire my as his hygienist, which is not something i do anyway, it;s really not my concern.
11:10 mircea_popescu what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point.
11:10 mircea_popescu kalash fires as well if triggered pulled by monkey as by man.
11:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.0005786 = 27.0206 BTC [+]
11:11 asciilifeform sure does.
11:11 asciilifeform what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash.
11:11 mircea_popescu well, they did make the point.
11:13 asciilifeform speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter
11:14 asciilifeform all in terms of 'tragedy', 'oh noez, city folks are getting bottles of clean water when showing id, but illegal mexicans have no id, what sad'
11:14 asciilifeform no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners
11:14 mircea_popescu which one is this one ?
11:14 asciilifeform (who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house)
11:14 asciilifeform flint, mi.
11:14 mircea_popescu oh oh
11:14 asciilifeform usa.
11:14 mod6 any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ?
11:15 asciilifeform mod6: nfi. what even is this
11:15 asciilifeform i thought we had 313337 perl scriptz or somesuch, for test
11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ?
11:16 mod6 well, i built some automated tests in cucumber/perl for V. but i'm saying for bitcoind itself.
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't only lead, but various bacteria, obvious stink, every possible 'don't even wash your hands with this, much less drink' indicator imaginable
11:16 mod6 and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful.
11:16 mircea_popescu ah
11:16 asciilifeform so what i was thinking is,
11:16 mircea_popescu mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ?
11:17 asciilifeform usg and local microusglets have no intention of collecting any less tax as infrastructure vanishes
11:17 mircea_popescu or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ?
11:17 mod6 i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time.
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e.
11:17 asciilifeform aha
11:17 asciilifeform whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered
11:18 mod6 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/google/googletest
11:18 assbot GitHub - google/googletest: Google Test ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgg51s )
11:18 asciilifeform the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this.
11:19 asciilifeform they are degenerating literally to the level of inca palace economy
11:19 asciilifeform show up at city hall, get drinkable water. if not, not.
11:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc.
11:19 mod6 anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful.
11:19 mircea_popescu they all flow in the same manner.
11:19 asciilifeform aha
11:20 mircea_popescu mod6 i will confes i am prejudiced against it just for having google in its name.
11:20 asciilifeform ^
11:20 mircea_popescu which is probably the contrary result to what they intended.
11:20 mod6 ok.
11:20 mircea_popescu so basically it's a c++ test framework.
11:20 mircea_popescu could be useful.
11:20 mod6 what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't
11:21 mircea_popescu mod6 understand, i'm not going to necessarily act on my prejudices. just being upfront.
11:21 mod6 sure.
11:21 mod6 anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later.
11:21 mircea_popescu In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library.
11:21 mircea_popescu so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite.
11:22 mircea_popescu "Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below):
11:22 mircea_popescu GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler"
11:22 mircea_popescu i dun see a problem there.
11:22 mircea_popescu diana_coman you have any idea re this thing ?
11:22 asciilifeform why is this needed, again ?
11:22 mod6 we were just discussing it re eulora.
11:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tests are the best thing there is.
11:23 mod6 i wasn't too clued on C++ testing frameworks. but mockito is pretty helpful with stuff, so something similar in C++ space would be nice.
11:23 mircea_popescu tests are actually better than code.
11:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno. not-making-bugs is the best thing there is.
11:24 asciilifeform with corrections 2nd best
11:24 mircea_popescu thats a thing that isn't.
11:24 asciilifeform testing - 100th place.
11:24 asciilifeform aha.
11:24 mircea_popescu let's not mix categories.
11:24 mod6 so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made.
11:25 mircea_popescu mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound.
11:25 mod6 ok, thanks to you both. sorry for the diversion here, we can discuss in the future.
11:26 asciilifeform one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~
11:26 asciilifeform and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system
11:26 asciilifeform rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component
11:26 mircea_popescu quite, yes.
11:26 asciilifeform and moreover, it cannot be tested meaningfully except in live fire
11:26 mircea_popescu you can not know what can be tested meaningfully until after you have done so.
11:27 asciilifeform i've experimented with tcp replay for testing
11:27 asciilifeform this might be a productive approach for trb
11:27 mircea_popescu the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans.
11:27 asciilifeform (you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet)
11:29 punkman some smaller test libs perhaps https://github.com/evolutional/utest https://github.com/mity/cutest
11:29 assbot GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi6eb )
11:29 assbot GitHub - mity/cutest: Simple (single header) C/C++ unit testing facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi8mj )
11:29 mircea_popescu i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that.
11:29 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp
11:29 mircea_popescu ah k
11:29 mircea_popescu i thought you suggested it maybe.
11:30 mod6 diana_coman had one in mind that was super lightweight, looked ok for doing assertions.
11:31 mod6 just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it.
11:32 mod6 i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first.
11:32 mircea_popescu it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term.
11:33 mircea_popescu having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful.
11:33 diana_coman fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol
11:33 diana_coman need to look into it more
11:33 mircea_popescu i suspect the llvm crew.
11:33 mircea_popescu prolly grew out of their buffers thing.
11:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing.
11:34 asciilifeform nor what failures to test for.
11:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too.
11:34 mod6 the adventure must begin somewhere :]
11:35 asciilifeform incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated
11:35 asciilifeform on an isolated lan, place trb nodes, and break all known blocks into tx,
11:35 asciilifeform then let them get re-mined
11:36 mircea_popescu ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move.
11:37 mircea_popescu this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence.
11:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is actually not something that can be done anymore i fear. mining criteria changed ~3 times
11:37 asciilifeform phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there
11:38 mircea_popescu "A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes."
11:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more
11:38 mircea_popescu bejesus.
11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined.
11:39 mircea_popescu the thread narrowed.
11:39 asciilifeform how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ?
11:39 asciilifeform which are known to have been mined in reality
11:41 mircea_popescu der, s-high, there's a list.
11:41 mircea_popescu the fact that they were mined in the past is no guarantee they would be mined today
11:44 asciilifeform now this is true
11:45 asciilifeform but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed.
11:45 mircea_popescu sure. but tests are tests.
11:47 mircea_popescu in lighter news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0virzKZzY1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
11:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20VHUO9 )
11:51 mircea_popescu "It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist."
11:51 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist.
11:51 mircea_popescu what fucking problem ?
11:52 mircea_popescu MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally.
11:53 mircea_popescu and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate"
11:53 mircea_popescu i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists".
11:54 asciilifeform already started, no ?
11:54 asciilifeform (per yesterday's log)
11:54 mircea_popescu "Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG.
11:54 mircea_popescu small public key = you lose. small block = you lose. quickly computable = you lose.
11:55 mircea_popescu get with the motherfucking program, bunch of snake oil salesmen.
11:55 asciilifeform plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough
11:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite yes
11:55 mircea_popescu neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes.
11:56 mircea_popescu what color lipstick you put on that pig - vanitas vanitatum.
11:56 asciilifeform deindustrialize.
11:56 mircea_popescu industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots.
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah it's what i meant.
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11:58 mircea_popescu exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring.
11:59 mircea_popescu re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet.
11:59 asciilifeform actually mega-nonsecret, it sorta does work
11:59 asciilifeform i have it right here at rupture farms
12:00 asciilifeform not ~UNIVERSAL~, and provably
12:00 asciilifeform but for 'certain values of works' - worx.
12:01 mircea_popescu well kinda what i mean by doesn't work : "works for some values of work"
12:01 mircea_popescu if i meant does not work at all i would make no mention whatever.
12:04 asciilifeform it is provably not doable for arbitrary turing tape.
12:05 asciilifeform back to earlier's thread, i am willing to pascal's wager on shor's algo SO LONG AS it costs me nothing.
12:06 asciilifeform possibly unlike mircea_popescu
12:06 mircea_popescu even going under that : afaik not yet usable in crypto
12:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future.
12:07 asciilifeform what does using multiple SANELY INDEPENDENT cipherators cost mircea_popescu ?
12:08 mircea_popescu alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.
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12:08 asciilifeform srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it
12:08 mircea_popescu works for pussy, also.
12:09 mircea_popescu the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept.
12:09 asciilifeform incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is,
12:09 asciilifeform have multiple branches of possible inner cipher at every level
12:09 asciilifeform enemy does not know which follows.
12:09 mircea_popescu yes. always large block to small ; always few to many options.
12:09 mircea_popescu branch it out like a tree.
12:10 asciilifeform aha!
12:10 mircea_popescu (this reduces to what the idiots do with their s boxes incidentally)
12:10 mircea_popescu if a very ugly degenerate form.
12:10 asciilifeform this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application.
12:10 mircea_popescu aha
12:10 asciilifeform eliminate things enemy may rely on.
12:11 mircea_popescu so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant".
12:12 mircea_popescu check out how complicated things get.
12:13 asciilifeform aha!
12:13 asciilifeform i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here !
12:13 asciilifeform *dirigible
12:14 asciilifeform see wat happens when earth bloke hangs out with martians long enough.
12:16 mircea_popescu lol
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14:06 asciilifeform 'hire this guy'
14:06 mircea_popescu sed the hirethisguy.
14:09 asciilifeform 3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit?
14:09 asciilifeform not bad
14:10 mircea_popescu fiat money tho, not terribly useful.
14:11 asciilifeform just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street
14:11 asciilifeform useful enough.
14:11 asciilifeform it won't buy a dirigible, no
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14:13 asciilifeform ^ gold
14:16 mircea_popescu pretty good yea
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/GLOSSARY.HTM#MultipleEncryption << re multi-cipher
14:16 assbot Ritter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9fzCq )
14:16 asciilifeform scroll to 'deceptive article'
14:17 mircea_popescu "Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions."
14:17 mircea_popescu exactly what we were saying above re s boxes
14:17 asciilifeform aha.
14:17 asciilifeform but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing
14:18 asciilifeform ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/crypto/publications/MauMas93a.pdf << found it.
14:18 mircea_popescu i dunno that that particular item informs anything.
14:18 mircea_popescu i for instance had never read it / wouldn't care to now.
14:18 asciilifeform psychiatric, not mathematical.
14:18 asciilifeform strictly for entomologists !
14:19 mircea_popescu yeah but dunno.
14:26 asciilifeform the paper is pretty tame, actually
14:26 asciilifeform not sure why he picked it up as disinfo
14:26 mircea_popescu no idea.
14:26 asciilifeform arrives at howlingly obvious conclusion.
14:29 asciilifeform (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)
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14:30 asciilifeform ^ in this case, enemy actually must break both ciphers ~independently~
14:30 asciilifeform he cannot use knownplaintextisms created by one, to help in the other
14:31 mircea_popescu there are some schemes which, if the result is split, lose strength
14:31 asciilifeform not by xor
14:31 asciilifeform again the motherfucking xor lemma
14:31 asciilifeform so hard to grasp ?
14:31 mircea_popescu haha
14:31 asciilifeform if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext...
14:31 asciilifeform and you can use shamir's split algo for n>2
14:32 asciilifeform if you want >2 pieces.
14:32 mircea_popescu i misread the split.
14:32 asciilifeform ah
14:32 asciilifeform what this gambit ~does~ cost, is weight
14:32 asciilifeform you get 2x the ciphertext bitz.
14:32 mircea_popescu look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages.
14:32 asciilifeform plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators.
14:32 mircea_popescu if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing
14:33 mircea_popescu similarly with the key. so large key can't be sent over the wire. bwahahahaha mkay.
14:33 mircea_popescu (for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!)
14:33 mircea_popescu just like with chicks and their phone numbers.
14:36 asciilifeform this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy
14:36 mircea_popescu not at all.
14:36 mircea_popescu merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for.
14:36 asciilifeform ah this - yes
14:36 mircea_popescu getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design
14:36 asciilifeform even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min.
14:37 mircea_popescu quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown)
14:37 mircea_popescu but kbytes, puhleaze./
14:38 mircea_popescu so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user.
14:38 asciilifeform one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force.
14:38 asciilifeform pretty much for free.
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14:45 asciilifeform incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma.
14:45 asciilifeform and in the process, grasp it fully...
14:45 mircea_popescu eh there is no grasping fully.
14:46 asciilifeform how's that
14:48 mircea_popescu just like that, of the crooked timber and all that.
14:50 asciilifeform for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got.
14:52 mircea_popescu yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry.
14:52 asciilifeform xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto
14:52 asciilifeform and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same.
14:53 mircea_popescu that's actually true huh
14:53 asciilifeform aha.
14:54 * mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto
14:56 jurov not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise)
14:57 asciilifeform phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon.
14:57 asciilifeform during ww2 in fact.
15:01 mircea_popescu jurov doesn't have to be invented in crypto to be fundamental for crypto
15:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language
15:03 asciilifeform is NP-complete then P = NP'
15:04 asciilifeform ?
15:04 mircea_popescu mno ?
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15:05 mircea_popescu did i say that somewhere ?
15:05 asciilifeform berman's theorem
15:05 mircea_popescu nono
15:06 mircea_popescu !s real first order
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15:06 mircea_popescu there.
15:07 asciilifeform expand on this ?
15:09 mircea_popescu http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717188800038 << as per.
15:09 assbot The complexity of linear problems in fields ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIPQBh )
15:10 mircea_popescu basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem.
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15:12 asciilifeform 'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l
15:12 mircea_popescu sigh.
15:12 mircea_popescu anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up).
15:13 mircea_popescu did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc.
15:13 asciilifeform found it
15:13 asciilifeform mega-backbreaker
15:14 mircea_popescu (unlike peano, presburger is actually decidable. but it has no multiplication.
15:14 asciilifeform i wil eat six airplanes before i go through this proof.
15:14 mircea_popescu however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential.
15:15 mircea_popescu as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field
15:15 mircea_popescu just like it - ALSO disappeared with virtually no trace.
15:15 mircea_popescu the why and wherefore be left for students from the future.
15:16 asciilifeform ww2 killed it.
15:16 asciilifeform approximately.
15:16 mircea_popescu this is 60s-70s and a little 80s.
15:16 asciilifeform ah, i was thinking of Schönfinkel et al
15:16 mircea_popescu no different bloom, this.
15:17 mircea_popescu actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974.
15:17 asciilifeform if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook.
15:17 mircea_popescu http://www.lcs.mit.edu/publications/pubs/ps/MIT-LCS-TM-043.ps
15:19 asciilifeform but yes, it is all now buried beneath many layers of sediment.
15:19 asciilifeform we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei
15:20 mircea_popescu i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np.
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15:20 mircea_popescu but yes, expect all such items to be buried in well - curated burial pits.
15:20 mircea_popescu for the obvious reasons.
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15:22 asciilifeform (most elementarily - tricks involving time travel)
15:28 mircea_popescu hm ?
15:28 asciilifeform or everett's solution !
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15:28 asciilifeform (by some accounts - he USED it! )
15:29 mircea_popescu lmao
15:29 asciilifeform l0l mircea_popescu knows what it was.
15:29 asciilifeform or hm, was it his daughter who did.
15:30 asciilifeform (for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution)
15:30 mircea_popescu i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf.
15:30 mircea_popescu "multiverses" and all that.
15:31 asciilifeform in a way, we all use everett's device every day.
15:31 mircea_popescu in the same way, we also go to bed with the empress-consort of china every night.
15:31 asciilifeform the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here.
15:32 mircea_popescu !s from:mircea "i don't care"
15:32 assbot 69 results for 'from:mircea "i don't care"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+%22i+don%27t+care%22
15:32 mircea_popescu 69 begs to differ.
15:33 mircea_popescu http://www.philipp.ruemmer.org/princess.shtml << perhaps interesting re presburger
15:33 assbot Princess ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs17Q3 )
15:34 asciilifeform spiffy, now if only it weren't javatronic
15:34 mircea_popescu source provided.
15:34 asciilifeform yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform.
15:35 mircea_popescu iirc, eu was spending some decent money on a derivative to evaluate safety of embedded systems
15:35 asciilifeform the mega-champ is acl2.
15:35 asciilifeform !s acl2
15:35 assbot 3 results for 'acl2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=acl2
15:35 * asciilifeform has the b00k, and the worked-examples one
15:35 asciilifeform used at, e.g., amd, to prove the correctness of their alu.
15:35 asciilifeform (after the intel debacle)
15:36 mircea_popescu http://www.cesarproject.eu/ there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude."
15:36 assbot Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1udB )
15:36 asciilifeform cute. the same folks as did the block cipher contest
15:36 asciilifeform (how did that end?)
15:36 mircea_popescu mmm.
15:37 mircea_popescu "a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess.
15:37 asciilifeform mno?
15:37 asciilifeform https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar.html
15:37 assbot Crypto competitions:CAESAR: Competition for Authenticated Encryption: Security, Applicability, and Robustness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1LNv )
15:37 asciilifeform e.g., https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar-submissions.html
15:37 assbot Crypto competitions:CAESAR submissions ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQIJ7l )
15:38 mircea_popescu M18, 2015.09.28–29: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore.
15:38 mircea_popescu TBA: Deadline for Verilog/VHDL.
15:38 mircea_popescu TBA: Announcement of third-round candidates.
15:38 mircea_popescu mmkay ?
15:38 asciilifeform not over yet?
15:38 mircea_popescu i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet"
15:39 mircea_popescu right.
15:39 asciilifeform https://competitions.cr.yp.to/disasters.html << lulzy
15:39 assbot Crypto competitions:Disasters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7fBR )
15:40 mircea_popescu getting back to the yurpean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ceab92925686acf64f20918a67aa6d8/tumblr_npr78ccRwA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
15:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7gpv )
15:42 mircea_popescu There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated.
15:42 mircea_popescu loller.
15:44 asciilifeform !up Conflict
15:44 shinohai https://medium.com/@ItsJoshProbably/why-8chan-will-not-be-getting-infinity-next-d8116d162c7#.16hdhdhnv
15:44 assbot Why 8chan will not be getting Infinity Next. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7CMQ )
15:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames
15:46 mircea_popescu aha.
15:46 mircea_popescu it's lulzy how shitthy these are.
15:46 mircea_popescu i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink.
15:46 asciilifeform the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills
15:47 mircea_popescu "hashing - works ; reproducibility - not yet. BUT IT IS UNBREAKABLE!"
15:47 asciilifeform l0l!
15:47 asciilifeform spreadingworks!
15:49 mircea_popescu copypaste ^
15:49 mircea_popescu ah by now two days old. i guess stale huh.
15:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057166 = 17.7215 BTC [+] {2}
15:50 mircea_popescu chanz dramas.
15:50 asciilifeform the other mega-nonsecret,
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00057424 = 2.7276 BTC [+]
15:50 asciilifeform usg ~really~ wants non-clonable, non-spoofable cheap rfid
15:50 asciilifeform to spread everywhere
15:51 mircea_popescu gotta track 'em goats.
15:51 asciilifeform 'smart dust' etc.
15:51 asciilifeform track every used napkin.
15:51 mircea_popescu but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem.
15:51 copypaste mircea_popescu: yes already stale
15:51 mircea_popescu anything good in there ?
15:54 asciilifeform phun phakt, many (most?) auto tyres already infested with (ordinary) rfid
15:54 asciilifeform plain old serial # transponder.
15:55 mircea_popescu that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean"
15:56 mircea_popescu costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be.
15:57 shinohai copypaste: was very much a tl;dr
15:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely
15:57 asciilifeform elementary.
15:57 mircea_popescu !up PierreDe
15:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one.
15:58 asciilifeform will - once you inject new one
15:58 asciilifeform hence why they want micro-authenticator.
15:58 asciilifeform right now you can trivially make replacement chip with arbitrary #
15:59 mircea_popescu i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre.
15:59 asciilifeform also the things cost about a dime now
15:59 asciilifeform which means only a handful per tyre
15:59 asciilifeform if they were smaller...
16:05 mircea_popescu "I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today."
16:06 mircea_popescu ajhaha what the fuck is wrong with these retards.
16:06 mircea_popescu "emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money.
16:06 asciilifeform is open source ? wut?
16:06 mircea_popescu i dunno that i'd eat salami made out of kids today.
16:06 asciilifeform where do i read the vote fudge algo ?
16:08 mircea_popescu i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago.
16:09 asciilifeform and there wasn't, in '93 ?
16:09 mircea_popescu reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of cracked.com retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on.
16:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no dude. 20yo in '93 was fucking afraid of getting a beatdown.
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5393 @ 0.00057148 = 3.082 BTC [-] {2}
16:10 mircea_popescu these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.
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16:10 asciilifeform eternal september looks much the same now as then
16:10 asciilifeform what really changed is the lack of reference.
16:10 mircea_popescu to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella.
16:11 asciilifeform in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality.
16:11 mircea_popescu aha.
16:11 asciilifeform whereas today 'vc billionaire'
16:11 mircea_popescu but this is important! these shitheads are ENTIRELY self referential now.
16:11 asciilifeform aha.
16:11 asciilifeform arse-mouth.
16:12 asciilifeform best restaurant is a hose!111
16:12 mircea_popescu i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place.
16:12 mircea_popescu go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live.
16:13 mircea_popescu i had no idea genocide could be so intellectually appealing.
16:15 mircea_popescu but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel".
16:15 asciilifeform i thought they felt 'hey, free shit'
16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11833 @ 0.00056705 = 6.7099 BTC [-] {2}
16:16 mircea_popescu mno.
16:16 mircea_popescu i think it's a lot more like "look, befouled real estate"
16:16 mircea_popescu "copper sulphate and planks with nails, clean this shit out"
16:17 asciilifeform the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic.
16:18 asciilifeform left alone, they could not make even a goat.
16:18 mircea_popescu the cleaners are how you even have the word algorithm.
16:18 asciilifeform ahaha l0l no.
16:18 asciilifeform no more than modern egypt built the pyramids.
16:19 mircea_popescu well i guess this point shall be verified in practice huh.
16:19 mircea_popescu there's no stopping the cleansing, i dun think.
16:19 asciilifeform limonov understood in '92
16:19 asciilifeform the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~
16:20 asciilifeform even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited
16:21 asciilifeform and germany was an only slightly better-looking horse at that glue factory, even.
16:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ?
16:23 asciilifeform wishful thinking ?
16:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278116 @ 0.00057474 = 159.8444 BTC [+] {6}
16:33 danielpbarron https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CapAL87WIAA6k9M.jpg:large << cargocult othernews
16:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20McD3q )
16:38 mircea_popescu no idea.
16:39 mircea_popescu but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole".
16:39 mircea_popescu so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition.
16:39 mircea_popescu danielpbarron wassat ?
16:44 danielpbarron idk i found it on twatter
16:44 mircea_popescu looks like some sort of "happening" or w/e.
16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74587 @ 0.00055972 = 41.7478 BTC [-] {4}
16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74450 @ 0.00056044 = 41.7248 BTC [+] {3}
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17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00055441 = 11.1436 BTC [-]
17:27 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b20
17:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103518 @ 0.00056368 = 58.351 BTC [+] {4}
17:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00057174 = 13.883 BTC [+]
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00057159 = 13.4895 BTC [-] {2}
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16952 @ 0.0005716 = 9.6898 BTC [+]
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18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00057586 = 43.6502 BTC [+]
18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16216 @ 0.00057586 = 9.3381 BTC [+]
18:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38620 @ 0.00057771 = 22.3112 BTC [+]
18:20 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b19
18:20 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b21
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18:41 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/us0sd#selection-1883.0-1885.0 << hearnia lolz.
18:41 assbot What Roger Ver thinks about Theymos? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGmQHo )
18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00057332 = 22.3021 BTC [-] {2}
18:48 shinohai keks
18:48 shinohai What's Roger Ver doing on bitcointalk anyway since he built his own forum to be a beacon of free speech?
18:49 mircea_popescu nobody cared and he's a drama queen ?
18:50 * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff.
18:51 mircea_popescu in trotally not related news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c17818ea6e6cd57d36f47b8f84b0acff/tumblr_nwmlm4UySD1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
18:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGo1qf )
18:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58750 @ 0.00057606 = 33.8435 BTC [+]
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11175 @ 0.0005696 = 6.3653 BTC [-] {2}
18:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286608 @ 0.00055835 = 160.0276 BTC [-] {5}
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19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00055211 = 45.1074 BTC [-]
19:56 mircea_popescu and in more of the same, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-bitcoins-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms
19:56 assbot Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWL5QZ )
19:58 mircea_popescu but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D
19:59 gernika mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead.
20:02 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20
20:06 mircea_popescu and in other muslim news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5f6qtZHfh1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
20:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4yjqo )
20:06 mircea_popescu cheers gernika
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20:27 mod6 thanks gernika!
20:27 gernika yw mod6 :)
20:36 deedbot- [Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Escrow.ms Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcointalk-default-trust-member-escrow-ms-arrested-for-debit-card-fraud/
20:37 kakobrekla lolk
20:37 mircea_popescu kik
20:38 punkman the neverending *chan drama eh
20:39 BingoBoingo * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then
20:40 mircea_popescu ,
20:40 mircea_popescu lol. ridoinculous.
20:40 punkman mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch?
20:40 mircea_popescu the "captains of industry" days.
20:41 mircea_popescu punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did.
20:41 mircea_popescu why, you know someone ?
20:41 punkman was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch
20:42 mircea_popescu nope.
20:45 BingoBoingo Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch.
20:46 punkman https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/2ch_Chronicle
20:46 assbot 2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrtxPa )
20:47 punkman also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch
20:47 punkman "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
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20:53 punkman http://8ch.net/newspaper/res/3.html#255
20:54 assbot /newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrulDD )
20:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129944 @ 0.00055274 = 71.8252 BTC [+] {2}
20:57 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/456ej8/agents_of_thermos_default_trust_member_escrowms/
20:57 assbot Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 )
21:02 mircea_popescu punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills.
21:02 mircea_popescu it's always a godfather sort of deal.
21:06 BingoBoingo I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done.
21:06 mircea_popescu for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar.
21:06 punkman mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no?
21:07 mircea_popescu no.
21:07 BingoBoingo I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time
21:10 punkman !up copy
21:12 mod6 ;;halfreward
21:12 gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
21:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75056 @ 0.00055199 = 41.4302 BTC [-] {4}
21:14 BingoBoingo Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council https://archive.is/XXyKh
21:14 assbot BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWTqUH )
21:15 mircea_popescu by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594
21:15 assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
21:19 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/10/sociological-catalogue-entry-chumpatronico-cancunica/
21:24 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2016/02/gchq-malware-boing-boing-16-0202.pdf << l0ltr0n1c
21:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUoQP )
21:24 asciilifeform also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00055199 = 34.5822 BTC [-] {2}
21:25 BingoBoingo In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/urban-farmers-working-vacant-kinloch-property-get-surprise-when-land/article_a69bbb45-2cc1-542d-b7c0-51e6205c8e2c.html
21:25 assbot Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUt75 )
21:30 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself.
21:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402608 << l0l! the 'montrex' gambit!
21:36 assbot Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
21:36 asciilifeform (who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' )
21:40 BingoBoingo That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk
21:49 punkman heh
21:49 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Uf1uN8haI
21:49 assbot the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdEBRb )
21:52 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/TUZ3hZ7.jpg <<< must have this shirt
21:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdENzP )
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107518 @ 0.00055222 = 59.3736 BTC [+] {2}
22:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00055694 = 7.0074 BTC [+]
22:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138865 @ 0.00055147 = 76.5799 BTC [-] {4}
22:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53585 @ 0.00055121 = 29.5366 BTC [-]
22:27 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete.
22:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:28 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.52.41 << here we go.
22:28 assbot CiteSeerX — Sokoban is PSPACE-complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTJSwy )
22:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:35 punkman sokoban as PoW would be interesting
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22:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00055694 = 25.1458 BTC [+]
22:45 mircea_popescu aha!
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78177 @ 0.00055065 = 43.0482 BTC [-] {5}
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