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00:02 BingoBoingo peerdump: http://dpaste.com/2RDCJRD
00:02 assbot dpaste: 2RDCJRD ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTnuQB )
00:02 BingoBoingo Honestly as few fillipenis as stumbled onto node must wonder what the fuck they "wallet" with
00:09 mircea_popescu lol hanbot
00:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117686 @ 0.00071235 = 83.8336 BTC [-] {5}
00:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75845 @ 0.00069214 = 52.4954 BTC [-]
00:23 mircea_popescu meanwhile "5 points 86% upvoted" ... how does this work ?
00:24 mircea_popescu reddit forked math ?
00:25 BingoBoingo A long long time ago, I can still remember the day... Mathematics died
00:27 hanbot American Pi
00:31 BingoBoingo ^
00:31 BingoBoingo OH, now that I mentioned it the SPV niggers are clogging up my errors
00:33 * trinque has learned that beeper services are few and dwindling
00:34 trinque I'm thinking I could do everything I ever wanted by sending beeper alphanumeric messages which designate some URL whose contents are gpg'd
00:34 trinque so you drive along, you do that, you slurp messages from wifi as you can and want to
00:35 trinque whoever said a guy wanted or needed to be accessible 24/7
00:36 BingoBoingo What pager listens on 2.4 or 5 ghz
00:36 trinque no no
00:36 trinque thought was you could page yourself URLs as a means of signaling
00:36 BingoBoingo Also those baud rates, a bitcoind couldn't keep up
00:37 trinque then you go grab the dpaste url or whatever it is from wherever you like
00:37 trinque and decrypt
00:37 BingoBoingo Do you remember 14.4kbps fax hell?
00:38 trinque my first modem was 28.8, found its screech soothing
00:38 trinque least I think it was 28.8; I was rather young
00:39 trinque http://www.pager99.com/ << looking here
00:39 assbot Pager99 - Pager, Pagers, Paging, Beeper, Beepers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4mFCn )
00:39 BingoBoingo We are talking an ancient time when not the actual mp3, but the peers to find it took minutes
00:40 trinque napster -> winmx -> directconnect -> gnutella
00:41 trinque I think that was the beginning of my progression anyway
00:41 trinque of them winmx was the most hackery-looking, and therefore the best
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00071651 = 49.4034 BTC [+]
00:51 * danielpbarron got gentoo on his new iron
00:51 danielpbarron trinque, why do you tell lilo to look in sdb ?
00:52 trinque it's meant to be edited, but it really depends on whether you're targeting a USB stick or the hard drive inside
00:53 trinque depends upon the order in which the drives are enumerated
00:53 danielpbarron oh that was meant specifically to make a bootable flash drive?
00:53 danielpbarron anyhoo i figured it out
00:53 trinque yep
00:53 trinque cool
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01:35 mats asciilifeform: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073/pdf/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073-27.pdf
01:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOvtm )
01:35 mats and https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
01:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )
01:37 mats my read here is this guy is probably an idiot
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01:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073151 = 8.8513 BTC [+]
02:05 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
02:05 gribble Current Blocks: 370503 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
02:10 punkman ;;ticker --market all
02:10 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.74, vol: 22104.99845004 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.475, vol: 15111.77 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.01, vol: 135247.89036003 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 230.01, vol: 30.44604167 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.666937, vol: 30038.59510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.55, vol: 703.94647149 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.003988935, vol: 132.0671135 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
02:17 mircea_popescu !up brg444
02:18 mike_c i missed the memo, we're all selling now?
02:18 brg444 evening!
02:19 brg444 did not find anything in the log. was this lulz discussed here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
02:19 assbot Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3daAd )
02:20 pete_dushenski mike_c: selling btc to buy s.mpoe y'know
02:20 mike_c srsly
02:20 mike_c just note, there's another random theory in the dust (mpoe correlated to btc price)
02:20 mike_c random walk ftw
02:21 pete_dushenski give it time, there's always a lag for these sorts of things
02:22 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hh3pz/i_asstoshi_original_creator_of_buttcoin_have/ << not bad lulz.
02:22 assbot I, Asstoshi, original creator of Buttcoin, have returned. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dnDE )
02:23 brg444 mircea_popescu I happen to have misplaced the email pertinent my trilema.com information access. what would be standard procedure to retrieve said password?
02:23 mircea_popescu brg444 was not, i don't think anyone seriously read that thing.
02:23 mircea_popescu brg444 getting a new one, pretty much.
02:23 mircea_popescu mike_c which way would it correlate ? up or down ?
02:23 mircea_popescu seems it does each about 50% of the time.
02:23 mike_c yeah, who knows
02:24 mircea_popescu mike_c http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << your memo.
02:24 assbot So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
02:24 brg444 i see
02:24 mircea_popescu so shitcoin-xt is built to run on windows 10 natively i gather ?
02:24 punkman the only local traders I've found so far want 300-400eur per coin :/
02:25 mircea_popescu kudos to the shitdev team!
02:25 punkman (because alt-eurocoin here)
02:25 pete_dushenski punkman: what kind of qty is that for ?
02:25 mircea_popescu http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html << pretty fucking hysterical, how dumb these schmucks are.
02:25 assbot [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dCOY )
02:25 punkman pete_dushenski: I doubt they have any serious qty
02:26 brg444 where may I find most up to date instruction as to how to register with assbot?
02:26 mircea_popescu "Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and identity of persons running Shitcoin-XT nodes."
02:26 mircea_popescu !h
02:26 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
02:26 pete_dushenski punkman: i only ask because localbitcoins sellers in canada seem to tap out at $1500
02:26 mircea_popescu brg444 see the chapter called "first steps"
02:28 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: time to inform mr and mrs old timey derpminers, the qntra ones
02:28 punkman oh apparently I can send 500eur per month outside of greece now! lol
02:29 pete_dushenski 'toomin bros bitcoin mining concern ltd'
02:29 pete_dushenski 'We conduct our business in a way that protects the blockchain against plurality attacks, and our planet's climate against warming. We hope you'll join us.'
02:30 pete_dushenski they seem to to be located in ben_vulpes' corner of the world
02:31 brg444 !register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
02:31 assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.
02:31 assbot No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
02:32 pete_dushenski might take a few minutes if it's a new key
02:32 pete_dushenski no rush
02:35 punkman so this is a curious tidbit from updated capital control rulez. No early repayment of loans unless you are paying cash, foreign bank wire, or refinancing with new loan.
02:35 mircea_popescu how else ?
02:36 punkman domestic bank wire
02:36 mircea_popescu o.O
02:36 mircea_popescu writing's on the wall, you'll get "stabilized".
02:36 mircea_popescu what did cypriots get hit with, 84% ?
02:37 mircea_popescu they're still negotiating it, obviously, which is why the rule. but i doubt it'll be under 70%.
02:37 brg444 Hi pete. What qualifies as new in that case? It is one I created a few months ago following the instructions on your blog..
02:37 punkman wasn't nearly as bad in cyprus
02:38 pete_dushenski brg444: hm. new is minutes not months.
02:38 brg444 Yes. That would make sense
02:38 mircea_popescu punkman yeah iut was ?
02:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/
02:39 assbot Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3esew )
02:39 punkman mircea_popescu: I meant compare to .gr, not your percentages
02:39 mircea_popescu balance 849k euro, available 128k euro
02:39 pete_dushenski brg444: look for 'send to keyserver' if you're using a gui app.
02:39 mircea_popescu oh. yeah, but quickly diminshing returns. something like 86-88% is probably right.
02:40 brg444 Done, wait a few I guess?
02:40 mircea_popescu meaning that if you had a 1mn euro loan, and a 1mn euro bank deposit, you just lost enough to buy twelve houses.
02:40 pete_dushenski brg444: yup
02:40 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lest we forget that italy did !
02:40 pete_dushenski repeal. for bitcoin bizniz.
02:41 mircea_popescu http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 << doesn't seem to exist brg444
02:41 assbot No results found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )
02:42 mircea_popescu punkman and they're derping about for a few weeks while people can get a few hundreds out so the poor people can slowly leech their accounts during the interval.
02:42 mircea_popescu "decrease social costs", ie, lose less votes.
02:48 punkman hmm trying to find exact numbers from cyprus bail-in but it's all spammy blog posts
02:48 pete_dushenski i seem to recall 40-50%
02:48 mircea_popescu not like they ever told the truth.
02:48 punkman I bet some russians lost 80%
02:50 punkman "As part of the deal, BoC absorbed the loans and insured deposits of Laiki, formerly the second-biggest bank, after its uninsured deposits had been comprehensively bailed in. The new bank was then recapitalised by converting 47.5% of BoC’s uninsured deposits into equity."
02:50 mircea_popescu the thing is... even after that cyprus thing, there were still peopel thick enough to keep money in greek banks.
02:50 mircea_popescu and even today, there's people with dollars in us banks etc.
02:51 mircea_popescu there's truly no curing human idiocy. butcher them and lay em out in the sun is the only cure.
02:51 punkman yes that's the only reason I keep mentioning the greek situation. Tomorrow it's gonna be you.
02:51 mircea_popescu well, not me, but yes, everyone who "had no alternative".
02:51 punkman for some values of you, yes
02:53 mircea_popescu do not ask whom the fiat sovereigns fleece, my friend... for they fleece you.
02:58 cazalla ;;later tell bitstein ofn, i published an article on that like a month ago, not sure why it is back in the news cycle again
02:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:01 mircea_popescu !up BananaLotus
03:01 cazalla i expect today's logs shall be good
03:02 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242024 <<< nope, 4chan is a sjw safe place these days
03:02 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 10:56:14; shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
03:03 pete_dushenski BananaLotus: are you the banana troll from the contravex comments ?
03:05 punkman http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21661404-spat-between-developers-may-split-digital-currency-forking-hell
03:05 assbot Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3h0JN )
03:06 mircea_popescu this being 4chan's what, 4th ? 5th ? alignment to boring ?
03:06 pete_dushenski bi, vox, economist, everyone's takin' their potshots
03:07 mircea_popescu what else is a media good for!
03:07 punkman Guardian: "Bitcoin's forked: chief scientist launches alternative proposal for the currency"
03:07 mircea_popescu and no word about teh found satoshi, hm ?
03:07 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: pictures of new jersey ?
03:08 * mircea_popescu recalls how excited they were over this, a year ago. almost looked like it's a thing that matters, to hear them talk.
03:08 mircea_popescu but now, suddenlyt, somehow, not any longer.
03:08 mike_c ;;ticker --market bitfinex
03:08 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.57, Best ask: 235.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 135720.2893984, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
03:08 mircea_popescu ah if only satoshi had the foresight to not piss all over the face of usg!
03:08 pete_dushenski 162!
03:08 mircea_popescu how famous and important he could have been.
03:09 mircea_popescu "chief scientist of a fraudulent foundation run by some people we've still, somehow, magically, not gotten around to investigating. hurr."
03:09 mike_c too much drama for me. i'm going to bed.
03:09 mircea_popescu sleep tight.
03:09 punkman "BitBeat: Bitcoin’s Noisy Size Debate Reaches a Hard Fork" some hilarious titles
03:10 mike_c this terminology.. how is yet another altcoin a hard fork
03:10 mircea_popescu if only bitfinex was worth twoi shits, and the planned price movement caught on, and all the alt-articles they tabled could have been published. aww what a glorious day could have been.
03:10 punkman BBC: "Bitcoin could split in debate over currency's future"
03:10 mircea_popescu mike_c how is osama a terrorist and obama a peace prize winner ?
03:11 mike_c yeah, i'm just too tired to keep even keel. they are annoying me today. just stop fucking with it so we can do some useful things.
03:12 mircea_popescu not like you have to read the fishwrappers.
03:12 punkman sorry for triggering mike_c
03:12 mike_c well, i don't. but some of it leaks in here :)
03:12 punkman Vox: "Bitcoin is on the verge of a constitutional crisis"
03:12 mike_c hehe
03:12 mircea_popescu i kinda have a lulz reading the stuff now and again, but yeah, too much can readily bristle one.
03:13 pete_dushenski bi "A bitcoin civil war is threatening to tear the digital currency in two"
03:13 pete_dushenski one side: scammers, other side:...
03:13 mircea_popescu must suck to be this powerless, after having imagined oneself almighty.
03:13 * mircea_popescu commiserates.
03:13 mike_c that part i do enjoy. when the flailing subsides and they just look stupid.
03:14 punkman http://cointelegraph.com/news/115143/greece-to-receive-1000-bitcoin-atms-as-trust-in-banks-long-gone
03:14 assbot Greece to Receive 1,000 Bitcoin ATMs as Trust in Banks ‘Long Gone’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjAf86 )
03:14 pete_dushenski ^sounds very 2013
03:14 mircea_popescu yeah, right. because they're going to pay in goats.
03:14 mircea_popescu the goat-to-btc atm.
03:14 pete_dushenski baaatoshi
03:14 punkman they are Turks, so they probably could deal with goats
03:14 mircea_popescu ajhahahaha
03:14 mike_c hehe. is that coinion thing still going?
03:15 mircea_popescu punkman amusingly, reviewing the (little) record from the 1700s, what the turks wanted from turkish part of romania was : a) sheep ; b) women. a distant 3rd, wax and honey.
03:15 mike_c aww, doesn't look like it. too bad, they were funny
03:16 pete_dushenski mike_c: looks like it's been a full year since a tweet outta 'coinion;
03:16 mike_c and the domain is dead
03:16 mircea_popescu i don't readily recall anything of theirs. what was funniest ?
03:16 mike_c you offered to pay them
03:16 pete_dushenski mike_c: talk about a market opportunity
03:16 mike_c if they published x articles
03:17 mike_c !s from:mircea_popescu coinion
03:17 assbot 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu coinion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+coinion
03:17 mircea_popescu hm
03:18 pete_dushenski "Many of the newcomers filing in on Mondays may not be there in a few years. The company’s winners dream up innovations that they roll out to a quarter-billion customers and accrue small fortunes in soaring stock. Losers leave or are fired in annual cullings of the staff — “purposeful Darwinism,”"
03:18 pete_dushenski “Nearly every person I worked with, I saw cry at their desk.”
03:19 mircea_popescu what novel gunk is this ?
03:19 pete_dushenski scamazon
03:19 mircea_popescu it reads to me approximately like http://41.media.tumblr.com/08f95c44bd6615287bbd30c66e0201f4/tumblr_nsav9l7SJI1uzeq7qo1_1280.jpg looks to you.
03:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ilAc )
03:19 punkman ahaha
03:20 mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762630
03:20 assbot Logged on 20-07-2014 21:36:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.
03:20 mike_c doh, wrong one
03:20 mike_c can't find it.
03:20 mike_c anyway, bed for realz. later all.
03:20 mircea_popescu FUD!
03:21 punkman "This email is to notify that your following domains have been automatically renewed as per your request and the amount was debited from your Credit Card" oh nice, can't keep spending the bitcoins here
03:22 pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html << for anyone who wants to read why u.s. workplace culture is done like turkey dinner, this is supposed to be 'edgy' and 'controversial'
03:22 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3itQj )
03:24 mircea_popescu here's one for BingoBoingo http://36.media.tumblr.com/655bd41bfcd346ef3638d0591d860c3b/tumblr_nq4ryt4Kw41s1mjnbo1_1280.jpg
03:24 punkman http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/ that's even better than the "scalability workshops"
03:24 assbot Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBp3m )
03:24 mircea_popescu bwahahaha.
03:25 mircea_popescu demo-craci. based on the happenstance that the way you say "ankles to ears" in romanian is "umeri-craci"
03:26 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/633899543608852480
03:27 mircea_popescu ahahaha what.
03:27 pete_dushenski the agent is... her husband
03:28 mircea_popescu i feel very confused, because i thought the anon derp in question was really part of the team that arrested miloshevich
03:30 mircea_popescu no no wait. she was on the ship that discovered antarctica. which is why it was called antartibelle. right ?
03:30 mircea_popescu that's not right either. was she the inventor of savarines ? which were then named after her ?
03:32 mircea_popescu memory fails me. but i'm sure nobody on twitter is nevertheless a major force in things and such.
03:32 pete_dushenski she was the one who married the beast, who turned out to be an enchanted prince, who turned out to be an fbi agent
03:33 * punkman lost the plot
03:33 mircea_popescu punkman that's the sort of anarcho-patriarchist attitude that keeps women down under tech and stuff.
03:34 pete_dushenski oz women like it like that.
03:35 punkman http://www.coindesk.com/new-scholarships-aim-to-boost-diversity-in-blockchain-space/
03:35 assbot New Scholarships Aim to Boost Diversity in Blockchain Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjCSGO )
03:35 pete_dushenski sponsored by intel ?
03:36 mircea_popescu lol
03:36 mircea_popescu "blockchain space" ?!
03:36 mircea_popescu o right right, because in their alt-reality it's not really the bitcoin, it's "the blockchain technologee". nearly forgot.
03:38 mircea_popescu "DI$RUPTIV3 @BitcoinBelle · Jan 6 You are far grander than you think you are. Dare to blow your own mind with how bold and beautiful you can be."
03:38 mircea_popescu holy shit, i actually... called it ?
03:38 mircea_popescu hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
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03:38 mircea_popescu this is why smart women dun like you.
03:48 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242461 << 1000 mb / 128 mb != 64...
03:48 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 19:23:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
03:49 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242457 << nah. i'm just getting closer to the age you were when you penned that one
03:49 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 19:21:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?
03:49 mircea_popescu heh
03:50 pete_dushenski bringing up the rear !
04:00 chetty http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/
04:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjGdFY )
04:10 punkman oh now BitcoinBelle makes sense
04:16 punkman https://alibi.cs.umd.edu/
04:16 assbot Alibi Routing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjIBwy )
04:22 shinohai http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287 <<< top kek BingoBoingo
04:22 assbot Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
04:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00070871 = 52.8698 BTC [-] {5}
04:38 mircea_popescu ftr they have been available for a week or so.
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04:48 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMwly0yUsAA414a.png
04:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyXf16 )
04:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27246 @ 0.00072394 = 19.7245 BTC [+]
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00073366 = 30.667 BTC [+] {7}
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05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00070407 = 14.1518 BTC [-] {3}
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05:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00069265 = 31.8273 BTC [-] {4}
05:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00069123 = 26.0594 BTC [-] {3}
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06:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61427 @ 0.00068938 = 42.3465 BTC [-] {5}
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65235 @ 0.00069218 = 45.1544 BTC [+]
06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53660 @ 0.00071248 = 38.2317 BTC [+] {3}
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07:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25744 @ 0.00070497 = 18.1487 BTC [-] {3}
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07:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00070819 = 30.0981 BTC [+] {3}
07:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00070928 = 17.8384 BTC [+]
07:54 punkman http://www.newson6.com/story/29826547/man-accidentally-shoots-self-while-guarding-muslim-free-oktaha-gun-store
07:54 assbot Man Accidentally Shoots Self While Guarding 'Muslim-Free' Oktaha - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gX73pM )
07:59 shinohai http://redd.it/3hiyg3
07:59 shinohai And kek punkman
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09:57 mats lots of mpoe moves while i snoozed
09:57 mats =[
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10:15 mats https://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/21/hardware-side-channels-in-the-cloud
10:15 assbot Hardware Side Channels in the Cloud – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVMXlj )
10:22 lobbes !rated mircea_popescu
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10:27 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236371 << windows will actually scan memory for magic bytes and use it
10:27 assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 21:41:42; ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx fil
10:28 asciilifeform mats: aha.
10:28 asciilifeform mats: folks were getting wise to the old-fashioned diddled boot sector. therefore, this.
10:30 thestringpuller asciilifeform: what ended up happening with this patch? << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150803/asciilifeform_jettison_mempool_195c600991e7306b0f21eddd834b38b9301cf12b.patch
10:30 mats a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
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10:31 asciilifeform http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/07/heres-how-im-going-to-handle-ashley.html << watch the 'responsible disclosure' twerps stuff head farther than ever thought possible up own arse
10:31 assbot Troy Hunt: Here’s how I’m going to handle the Ashley Madison data ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVOnfF )
10:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
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10:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: at some point i will write a working version of it.
10:33 asciilifeform when - i do not know.
10:33 thestringpuller the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy
10:33 thestringpuller i was going to mess around with it
10:33 asciilifeform thestringpuller: must understand, this was intended solely for laboratory purposes
10:33 asciilifeform that is, to discover whether there are non-mempool-related leaks
10:34 thestringpuller ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
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10:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243805 << 'even root'. what nonsense is this. root isn't root if he can't, e.g., operate a dma-capable device on the bus and flip arbitrary bits
10:34 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:30:26; mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
10:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243815 << correct.
10:36 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:34:40; thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
10:38 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243763 << do we have a mirror ? if not, why not ?
10:38 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 08:38:36; mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.
10:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:39 asciilifeform 'Consensus 2015 is working with MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative to boost diversity in the cryptocurrency space by offering 50 Consensus Scholarships to young women and people of colour.' << glorious
10:40 asciilifeform does each one of the 50 muppets get a fed-backed altcoin ?
10:42 * mats regrets not being an american indian black disabled LGBT veteran
10:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243747 << does mircea_popescu remember the thread about the fight of monkey vs man ? and whether the man is necessarily smarter, if cannot win. i dare say this applies here. perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg
10:43 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 07:38:24; mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00068997 = 2.2079 BTC [-]
10:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << destructors. for anyone actually reading this.
10:47 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
10:47 * asciilifeform bbl
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10:58 mod6 <+thestringpuller> the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy << wait, wat?!
11:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39294 @ 0.00068785 = 27.0284 BTC [-] {3}
11:06 thestringpuller mod6: my bad BingoBoingo informed me of the data structure idiocy
11:07 mod6 did you add that patch to your currently running node on aws?
11:08 thestringpuller no.
11:08 thestringpuller just reading the patches.
11:08 mod6 alrighty.
11:15 thestringpuller i too am interested in the memory footprint and any potential leaks etc.
11:29 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJSYeqXHm38
11:29 assbot UK, Lada Cars Television / Cinema Commercial 1980 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuANqU )
11:33 phf odd because map::clear documentation says "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed)"
11:35 phf elsewhere says "Invalidates any references, pointers, or iterators referring to contained elements"
11:38 phf but then a stackoverflow answer says that std::map doesn't manage, and require for(...) delete iter->second;
11:38 phf what fun language
11:40 phf thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
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12:05 mircea_popescu !up jborkl
12:06 mircea_popescu mats seems it stayed around 7 and a leaf anyway
12:07 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMxiJLoUYAA-GxN.png << lol not bad.
12:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuK81Q )
12:07 mircea_popescu bitcoin sorely needs something like a humor outleta comic. something.
12:08 jborkl hey guys
12:08 jborkl http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/bitcoin-battered-after-governance-coup
12:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKo0S )
12:09 jurov https://i.imgur.com/vafOPbZ.jpg
12:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKqFW )
12:09 jborkl whats all this non sense, hhe
12:09 mircea_popescu they forgot "failed" and to delete "battered" in there.
12:09 jurov ^ lame but kinda humor, too
12:10 mircea_popescu "he data needs to be treated as “sensitive” and not available to the masses"
12:10 mircea_popescu heh, fucktards.
12:10 punkman someone needs to explain the bikini wax joke to me
12:10 mircea_popescu dude... your wife is cheating on you. with me. ain't jack shit you can d oabout it, now go put on those panties she bought you and wash the fucking dishes.
12:11 mircea_popescu and no, it has nothing to do with "big cocks".
12:11 mircea_popescu punkman ever see a chicken get in a terrible wood saw accident, resulting in a bloodied half body strutting around as if nothing happened ?
12:12 jborkl yeah
12:12 punkman haven't had the pleasure
12:13 jborkl it chills for a little bit, like all is good
12:13 mircea_popescu well apparently you're missing a fundamental life experience that's integral to understanding a swathe of humor!
12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00072186 = 41.7235 BTC [-]
12:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i actually enjoy the butthurt tears of the jwz twerps. "oh, we can't pretend nothing happened now ?!?!?! hurrrrrr"
12:14 mircea_popescu not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
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12:15 mircea_popescu "Hey, I know you're trying to make a point and all, but do you mind removing me from the list?" then, now AND 4EVAR!!11
12:16 bye felicia
12:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if not, why not ? << because we aren't the usg of internet. here's how the hackerteam stuff looks, by the way : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bw-hackerteam.png
12:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuMnSG )
12:20 mircea_popescu a terrabyte's not expensive or anything. on the other hand, i'm sure i could burn an infinite amount of resources feeding the idle internet twerps.
12:20 * mircea_popescu has absolutely no trust left in the value or importance of "the internet community". serving it is not unlike serving cockroaches.
12:21 mircea_popescu let them go read the guardian or whatever the fuck it is that they do. what mirror.
12:26 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
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12:30 mats lol...
12:31 mircea_popescu anyway, she's clearly as dumb as that polyanna chick, or as boiled frogs, whichever you prefer. she looks like a marginal stripper at best. so yes, given her meagre assets, certainly living the soccer mom life of a wife of some usg twerp is much better than living the stripper life of her mates.
12:33 mircea_popescu ra-ra-ra, gooooo BAAADGERS!!11
12:35 mats there was a chick who looked 17 that took 5-10s to figure out $10-3.50=6.50 wtf is goin on here
12:36 mircea_popescu * asciilifeform bbl <<< ran into similar issues with eulora. the thing is, as inconvenient as that may be, there's no actual alternative.
12:36 mircea_popescu programmatic destructures work shittily enough you just end up with segfaults.
12:37 mats incidentally, in cambridge, MA, at a farmer's market
12:38 mircea_popescu jborkl well, nth abortive attempt to "rein in" btc.
12:38 scoopbot_revived Vox populi, vox dei, no more. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/vox-populi-vox-dei-no-more/
12:39 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:39 mircea_popescu mats mebbe she was playin' moe.
12:39 mats wat is moe
12:40 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243849 << no go! this invalidates the iterator
12:40 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 15:40:35; phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
12:40 mircea_popescu clearly you're not ready to go back to asia.
12:40 ascii_field phf: that was actually my first try. it explodes in a fireball.
12:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field exactly. which is why this is not trivial.
12:41 mircea_popescu how was that ancient observation, "i know how to make a better garbage collector..." ?
12:44 ascii_field it's trivial!
12:44 ascii_field i just don't have time to do everything in one day!
12:45 mircea_popescu sucks.
12:47 mircea_popescu in lighter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f66adc5ef59d09907a113934e01e138/tumblr_nq34p3RluW1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
12:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8BjE )
12:48 mircea_popescu and to illustrate that "women on heels > any other women" point, http://40.media.tumblr.com/492f8f1ab819efdd19fa683e186d4b4c/tumblr_nq34ifAzsi1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
12:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8HYn )
12:52 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243885 << mega-win
12:52 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 16:26:51; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
12:52 * ascii_field falls down
12:52 mircea_popescu :D
12:53 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243877 << they're still living in the 'we pushed the unhappen button and it unhappened, motherfuckerz' universe
12:53 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 16:14:37; mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
12:53 mircea_popescu more like "the world exists to cater to me and so it SHOULD be the case this unhappened".
12:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41744 @ 0.00072186 = 30.1333 BTC [-] {2}
12:53 mircea_popescu bad parenting resplendant.
12:54 ascii_field now if only they were running a reactor, or a military engagement, and were now dead
12:54 mircea_popescu except they'd do more damage than they're worth, if they had.
12:55 ascii_field but no, the sc4mz0rz will reconvene under a new flag and run another usg-funded scam
12:55 ascii_field just like gavin & co
12:55 mircea_popescu no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
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12:55 mircea_popescu inconvenient as this may be, it's still optimal.
12:55 ascii_field wai wat, they aren't presently warehoused there ?
12:55 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:57 mircea_popescu but yes, re the smarts bit : what distinguishes an agent undercover in shit from a housewife made out of straight shit, is that the former has, however tenuous, however rare, a place to speak the truth straight. radically so, as the case may be.
12:58 mircea_popescu and the fact that there's someone else at the end of the line, not merely listening but actively seeking that truth, is what drives the profession.
12:59 mircea_popescu which is how and why the su had no trouble at all recruiting agents in the us. even though, in any sense of summary view, it made jack shit sense of some people living in abundence to confederate with some idiots powering the empire of ideologically driven poverty.
12:59 ascii_field it made glorious sense
13:00 mircea_popescu aha.
13:00 mircea_popescu but only for this reason and no other.
13:00 ascii_field needs no other.
13:00 mircea_popescu myeah
13:03 mats mircea_popescu: oh, some japanese thing? 'cute'?
13:04 mircea_popescu it's not cute. it's sexually relevant helplessness.
13:04 mats oh. well, she asked another employee for help, so i'm almost 100% sure it wasn't a play.
13:04 mats ploy*
13:04 mircea_popescu aok
13:04 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243924 << the one thing we're pretty much guaranteed not to see - like orwell's 'jingo with a bullet hole in him' - is one of the 'executive' twerps sweating in a cubicle, sleeping not-at-all-ad-libitum, living in a verminous flat with roommates
13:04 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 16:55:13; mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
13:05 mircea_popescu ascii_field this purely psychogenic conviction of yours results from lack of exposure.
13:05 mircea_popescu go, meet some of these "executives".
13:05 ascii_field mircea_popescu: understand, my exposure happens every time i sit in traffic next to their mazeratis, and drive home past 100km of their mansions
13:05 mircea_popescu wtf was that retarded movie hm
13:06 ascii_field this picture normally fades into the background, as i've lived all of my adult life here in 'land of the warehouse'
13:06 ascii_field but i have occasion to think about it whenever i hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: how 'they' are losing to 'us' in some sense
13:07 mircea_popescu in every sense.
13:08 ascii_field every sense but the ones available to my eyes and ears through the window ?
13:08 mircea_popescu myeah.
13:09 mircea_popescu your window experiment is perhaps the worstly conducted experiment in the history of b-a.
13:09 phf <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
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13:10 punkman !up amiller
13:10 ascii_field phf: try it. you get a segfault on the second free
13:10 phf i don't even
13:10 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:13 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243953 << understand that naggum's point re: c++ being a language 'built and optimized by and for liars' is entirely true. what you see written on the page is not what you get! whole thing is built to lie to you.
13:13 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 17:09:51; phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00072186 = 41.6874 BTC [-]
13:13 ascii_field and, unlike most other languages (of the time), to lie in poorly-systematizable ways
13:13 mircea_popescu you mean creatively ?
13:13 ascii_field for your own good (tm) (r)
13:14 phf first thing that came to my mind were naggum rants
13:14 mircea_popescu in the end, it was not the ai lab and lisp that provided the best approximation of a computer companion.
13:14 mircea_popescu it was C.
13:14 mircea_popescu people have spent so much time enjoying the company of computers, for it,.
13:14 ascii_field http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << canonical
13:14 assbot Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaUmz )
13:14 punkman https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/
13:14 assbot Blockstream employee asking to remove Gavin from Foundation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaVXQ )
13:15 mircea_popescu yeah, who is that twerp again ? seems a rehash o\f the entire "twobitidiot" hangout.
13:15 mircea_popescu and on a broader point ; post snowden, seems the usg added a new thing to their manual.
13:15 mircea_popescu "new" anyway.
13:16 ascii_field what part of this is new
13:17 mircea_popescu the kneejerk, field-manual shape of it.
13:17 mircea_popescu it's a very specific thing when a large body of idiots finally implements something for the idiots to do.
13:18 mircea_popescu like the difference between a) linkspamming google and b) a bunch of "infoproducts" on "make money while you sleep" having been sold to the retard forums.
13:19 mircea_popescu usg has democratized wikileaks!
13:20 mircea_popescu "come to america - where coca cola has created christmas and the government has created democracy!"
13:21 chetty you know its a waste of energy to hate on usg
13:22 ascii_field chetty: i will have you know that all of my works are 100% hatred-for-usg powered.
13:22 chetty :P
13:23 ascii_field this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion
13:23 ascii_field but never an amateur one
13:23 ascii_field who has to beg, borrow, and steal spare change for every mousetrap
13:24 chetty now you are talking dream job, professional exterminator ...for gubermints
13:25 ascii_field gavinspray included.
13:28 phf make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf.
13:28 ascii_field ahahahaha
13:29 chetty gotta love c++
13:29 ascii_field this is why it bugs me when folks (looking at mircea_popescu !) write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably
13:29 phf look, c++, i'm trying to investigate a specific issue, not travel down your rabbit hole of insanity
13:30 ascii_field 'c', like a mule, will plod along and do a very predictable thing. cpp is like a gigantic sack of cockroaches
13:30 ascii_field mule-shaped.
13:31 ascii_field sorta walks if you kick it. sometimes.
13:31 jurov predictable modulo undefined behavior
13:31 chetty I just love that it does different depending on the weather, or where it calls home today
13:32 ascii_field jurov: don't use the undefined. (note that i specifically said 'c', rather than 'unix' here)
13:32 jurov oh cmon
13:33 jurov even if you do something innocent like printf("%d", sizeof(stuff))
13:33 jurov cmpiler is allowed to compile it to system("rm -rf /")
13:34 mats ?
13:34 ascii_field i'd love to borrow jurov's compiler
13:34 ascii_field it would really liven up my work
13:35 jurov sizeof returns size_t which may or may not be same as int.. and printf expects int here
13:35 jurov hence, undefined behavior
13:35 ascii_field nothing to do with c
13:35 ascii_field but with unix
13:35 ascii_field (of which stdlib is quite arguably part)
13:35 ascii_field that is why i said, ~the language~)
13:36 ascii_field and when a situation like this does come up, a civilized compiler (there is ONLY ONE known, gcc) ~will~ give you useful info re: types
13:36 jurov in that sense std::map nor the boost stuff isn't part of c++, either
13:37 jurov (just to split hairs)
13:37 ascii_field now try getting similarly compact description in a cpp proggy re: e.g., the map issue.
13:37 ascii_field jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is.
13:37 ascii_field (sorta like c macros, but far less analyzable)
13:38 jurov yes that is true
13:38 phf map code in question http://paste.lisp.org/display/153933
13:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTdwkD )
13:39 trinque phf: what, it's making sure it's thoroughly dead!
13:39 phf but i'm not dead yeat
13:39 trinque I feel happy!
13:41 mircea_popescu <phf> make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf. <<< win
13:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field what is this "why" ?
13:42 thestringpuller https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush << slush has gone to the darkside
13:42 jurov trinque seeing the code i think it just copies your "a" object multiple times
13:42 jurov and then obv destroys evey one
13:42 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:42 thestringpuller http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-43373 << Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks
13:42 ascii_field mircea_popescu: which why
13:43 mircea_popescu "write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably"
13:43 jurov trinque: if feeling like messing with it further, try adding copy constructor w/logging, or pass pointers/references instead, etc.
13:44 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is. << to make it plain ; just because c let you push her into a corner once or twice (provided you bring sweets) doesn't mean they're not sluts mmkay ?
13:44 phf jurov: not trinque
13:44 mircea_popescu <trinque> I feel happy! << sounds to me like a cry for help. can we do anything for the gent today ?
13:46 trinque oh its a monty python quote
13:46 trinque how bout whiskey
13:47 jurov in short, playing with c++ with objects oon the stack directly is asking to lose one's fingers
13:47 ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'c' is more 'sex doll' than slut
13:47 jurov ^ ascii_field's short explanation
13:47 mircea_popescu aha.
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18641 @ 0.00068752 = 12.8161 BTC [-] {5}
13:52 phf jurov: does c++ do a magic cleanup on its fields, or you have to provide a destructor that does things like if(field) delete field; ?
13:53 jurov if you did field = new blabla() the yes
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00071419 = 22.4613 BTC [+]
13:54 jurov if you did only field = blabla() then...idk :D
13:54 phf hmm
13:54 punkman "STL containers may copy objects around in the process of doing assignment"
13:57 phf punkman: yeah, i added copy constructor on jurov's recommendation
13:57 ascii_field naggum had a perfectly valid point re: cpp bearing much of the proximate blame for microshit code being what it is
14:00 danielpbarron >> Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks << thestringpuller, i heard the only did it to one block for the purpose of collecting some guy's 25 coin bounty. see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242984
14:00 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 23:58:35; assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
14:01 mircea_popescu what danielpbarron said.
14:01 mircea_popescu the entire "blockchain voting" thing is bunk of the first degree anyway, as the power rangered sponsored fiasco with the most recent fork shows.
14:04 trinque not that it matters, but since I haven't been looking, I wonder if reddit has completely turned on satoshi by now, in favor of the power rangers
14:05 trinque whereas they were before trying to argue that of course he'd support bigger blocks
14:05 trinque really sad thing there, culturally
14:05 ascii_field prolly 'signed or it didn't happen' ?
14:05 trinque well, wouldn't we all like a signed message; however, the content is true in either case
14:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.0007186 = 7.0854 BTC [+] {4}
14:06 mircea_popescu no, more like "it says what i want to hear or it didn't happen"
14:07 ascii_field as i understand, 'satoshi' is nor a moral authority, but a shotgun authority. and that shotgun is still locked in the safe, rusting
14:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36240 @ 0.00072174 = 26.1559 BTC [+]
14:07 ascii_field *not a
14:07 mircea_popescu a thing's not to be reduced to its last form.
14:07 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-07-2015#1203800 << see also
14:07 assbot Logged on 16-07-2015 22:27:33; mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.
14:07 trinque just struck me that the man who made this said the words "failed project"
14:08 mircea_popescu trinque in the conditional.
14:08 trinque certainly!
14:15 thestringpuller danielpbarron: i see. I wonder if that guy made good on the bounty.
14:16 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
14:16 punkman http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2015/08/19/black-arts-the-800-million-family-selling-art-degrees-and-false-hopes/
14:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4oH4q )
14:17 punkman "Academy of Art University" how is this a name?
14:17 trinque punkman: it's a filter; only the dumb pass through
14:20 ascii_field punkman: classic usg expose. 'let's pick on a usgwot-marginal scamatron, deflect fire from the main ones'
14:21 ascii_field other thing is, the 'art college of art' chumpatronic sector has been edging into competition with the officially-blessed prestige-sellers
14:21 ascii_field and therefore have been marked for gassing.
14:22 punkman "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
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14:22 punkman misrepresented job-placement rates, ahaha
14:22 ascii_field the ancient maxim, as retold by mircea_popescu, 'when hiring a psychic, hire the cheapest'. but the expensive psychic is liable to walk over to the cheapest and shoot the poor fella
14:23 trinque in the next world, you'll have to say "lied"
14:23 trinque they... "lied".
14:23 trinque is that so hard?
14:23 ascii_field thing about 'prestige market' is that 'art college of art' can make fraudulent claims of graduate employability just as well as, e.g., harvard
14:24 ascii_field eventually the chumps notice that the cheap and expensive psychics 'tell the future' exactly equally
14:24 ascii_field and the problems begin for the expensive soothsayer.
14:25 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244081 << wake me up when they close mit, yale, stanford.
14:25 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 18:22:25; punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
14:27 trinque https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html << fascinating. this may work
14:27 assbot Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qpTm )
14:28 punkman "In 2009 four former AAU admissions staffers filed a whistle-blower suit in federal district court in Oakland, claiming the school had illegally adjusted recruiters’ pay based on the number of students they enrolled. AAU, which declined to comment on the lawsuit, said in court filings that the compensation scheme was then legal under a “safe harbor” loophole because it also considered qualitative factors."
14:30 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
14:30 assbot The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrixid )
14:32 trinque wow, in re-reading the lyrics, more relevant than I even intended.
14:32 shinohai <3 The Doors
14:32 trinque though I know it's uncontroversial at best, me too
14:34 lobbes I've yet to meet someone that doesn't enjoy The Doors. great combination of musicians
14:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00071335 = 44.299 BTC [-] {3}
14:35 phf ascii_field: i've tried reproducing the leak, but so far it looks like so according to my small test, mapTransactions.clear() should just work. http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.cpp.html there's a bunch of copy allocations that get cleaned up, but you'll notice when foo.clear() is called that picks up the leftover objects.
14:35 assbot foo.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4rRoN )
14:43 lobbes I wonder where the Trump stands on 'greencard marriages'; another loophole he'd have to close to make that plan work
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00069095 = 43.8753 BTC [-] {2}
14:43 lobbes perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet to read it myself
14:45 ascii_field phf: go, see. doesn't work.
14:46 phf ascii_field: i believe you, just trying to figure out what might be going on
14:47 lobbes !up ascii_field
14:47 trinque if the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of the descendents of slaves?
14:49 trinque though I suppose he means something smaller, getting the courts to reinterpret it
14:50 lobbes wouldn't their ancestors have been brought in the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point though..
14:50 trinque property yes, and not citizens
14:50 lobbes hmm
14:51 lobbes would be almost impossible to trace back lineage, I'd assume
14:52 lobbes and then you add in all the owners banging their slaves on the side. it would get murky
14:53 trinque you know, I find it sensible that he's focusing on Mexico as a threat rather than something like ISIS
14:53 trinque as per various threads here
14:54 trinque whether it's possible to solve that problme from the position of "US president" is questionable
14:54 mats ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time
14:54 trinque bullshit
14:54 trinque they can knock down a few buildings at best
14:54 mats if the caliphate is established, they'll have materialized as a real threat
14:55 trinque if, sure
14:55 punkman established how?
14:55 trinque but what about pakistani nukes, what about etc etc
14:55 mats ie, control of baghdad and damascus
14:56 trinque the thing is, this has never been total war between the USA and Middle East
14:57 trinque it's been trying to manipulate countries into this or that state with the military
14:57 trinque if something poses an "existential" threat to the USA, what do you think will happen?
14:57 trinque assuming sure, said USA is aware enough to see it
14:58 trinque why didn't the chechens take over even after the USSR fell?
14:58 trinque seems about the same size
14:58 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236430 << have you had a cigar? they are delightful
14:58 assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 22:12:55; Adlai: why smoke
14:58 funkenstein_ the "president" tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch
14:59 mats USG will attempt to parlay another group into battle against ISIS
14:59 trinque were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally that was not the USA
14:59 mats e.g. the kurds, shia
14:59 trinque at that point I could believe that they're an actual threat, in that not they, but the actual other superpower, is a threat
14:59 trinque no, larger
15:00 punkman mats, aren't they already battling?
15:00 mats yes.
15:00 trinque or "wake me up when" they strike a deal with Russia
15:00 funkenstein_ forbes piece is nice in admitting the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer
15:01 punkman funkenstein_: and they even have an antique car museum
15:01 mats ISIS doesn't benefit from the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any to give it
15:01 trinque mats: some kind of "muslim unity" thing against the USA could very well happen
15:01 trinque I really don't understand this thinking, tbh
15:01 mats their influence and wealth is transnational
15:01 trinque and what of ICBMs
15:01 trinque and all the rest
15:02 trinque the USA has done total war before, even if it's been a while
15:02 trinque let us panic about our demise a bit and see what ideas are palatable
15:02 funkenstein_ lol, yeah look at that 250 cars
15:02 mats USG cannot afford total war, and they do not have the stomach for it, either
15:03 lobbes ^
15:03 trinque the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first
15:03 mats ISIS merely needs USG to stfu, not die, to succeed
15:03 trinque I don't buy any of that
15:03 mats it'll die on its own
15:03 trinque we have the stomach for the whole 20th century
15:03 trinque die like Russia did I suppose
15:04 trinque we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there
15:04 trinque and mind I'm not particularly thrilled at the thought
15:06 trinque I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes, rather than at worst being handed down as an heirloom
15:06 mats we'll see how committed NATO is to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail to take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked
15:07 trinque not what I was discussing, at least
15:08 trinque whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not the same question as whether they can destroy the United States
15:09 funkenstein_ trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear
15:09 trinque am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military?
15:09 trinque despite 91?
15:09 trinque what's different here?
15:09 ascii_field trinque: petromarket
15:10 ascii_field (ru)
15:10 trinque the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used
15:10 scoopbot_revived Scratch http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/
15:11 trinque and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying the gulf to get at them
15:11 trinque among other places
15:11 shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac <<< Nlame the jooz
15:11 assbot Wikipedia - Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj52ix )
15:11 ascii_field trinque: already old news
15:11 shinohai *blame
15:12 ascii_field trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction'
15:12 ascii_field where useless mouths are jettisoned.
15:12 trinque sure
15:12 ascii_field (who? us.)
15:12 trinque what I meant about the military being the last light turned out
15:13 mats militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC
15:13 trinque if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf?
15:14 mats given enough time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.
15:14 trinque so russia's military is gone
15:14 trinque I can readily see that usg is on life-support and fading
15:14 trinque usm? not at all
15:15 funkenstein_ trinque, it has always been my assumption that such folks a) have the gold b) move the drugs c) controls m0 presses
15:15 trinque and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg
15:15 mats usm, usg, and usd are liver, kidney, heart
15:15 mats well, kidneys.
15:15 trinque when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no trace?
15:16 ascii_field 'no trace' is a tall order
15:16 mats fragmentation is enough for us hegemony to be immaterial
15:16 ascii_field thing is, 'usg' is bigger than washington
15:16 ascii_field it includes every bit of brussels, stockholm, london, zurich
15:17 trinque ascii_field: recall the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?
15:17 trinque !up ascii_field
15:17 ascii_field aha
15:17 trinque and you were right, immediately a target in that environment
15:17 trinque doesn't that apply to what USM would do generally in the aftermath?
15:17 trinque secure access to the things it needs to operate first, then move on from there
15:18 trinque this is precisely what ISIS seems to be doing
15:18 trinque and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at this game?
15:18 trinque given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?
15:19 funkenstein_ you know just because we can put capital letters together doesn't mean they represent a coherently motivated thing
15:19 chetty <trinque> given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?// meme of renown
15:20 trinque chetty: this is not what happened?
15:20 ascii_field trinque: at a certain point, there is a phase transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access to necessary resources to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access to his mansion and cocaine
15:20 trinque I am referring more to the conflicts not necessarily declared wars
15:20 ascii_field which can be easier in zurich than alabama
15:21 chetty dont think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war toys
15:21 ascii_field !s churn inventory
15:22 assbot 8 results for 'churn inventory' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=churn+inventory
15:22 trinque http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081
15:22 assbot Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: John Perkins: 8580001045009: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj6lye )
15:22 trinque my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries
15:22 trinque and yes, sure, also churning stock
15:23 ascii_field trinque: have to understand that, to lizards, usa is also 'another country'
15:24 trinque ascii_field: yeah, I see that point.
15:26 funkenstein_ on these topics i have found robert steele to be quite educational
15:27 funkenstein_ in fact this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas
15:27 chetty <trinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries// great propaganda to make americans hate themselves
15:28 trinque I see that.
15:28 trinque and also it happened
15:29 ascii_field countdown to 'it wasn't rape!!11 they LIKED it!'
15:30 trinque white mans burden and all that
15:30 trinque sorry indonesia
15:30 trinque and as far as that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does
15:30 trinque the point is I don't think anyone sits back and thinks about "what happens with the *other* space station"
15:30 ascii_field trinque: they tried, with jp
15:30 trinque the one with nukes on it
15:31 trinque this all vanishes because somebody decided they wanted to do fundamentalist islam again
15:31 trinque I don't see that at all
15:31 ascii_field trinque: how about the other other space station? the one with 25 tonnes of trotyl and ball bearings
15:31 trinque ascii_field: talking about projectile weapons?
15:31 trinque sure
15:32 ascii_field uncle al's orbital scrubber
15:32 trinque ah yeah
15:32 trinque one side of me sees decay, and the other that this coup in the USA has gone perfectly well
15:33 trinque it depends on whether the command structure in the militaristic side is decaying as badly as the civilian side
15:33 trinque last I checked US soldiers were astoundingly obedient
15:33 trinque and rather well trained
15:33 ascii_field trinque: the test of obedience is when the salary checks bounce.
15:33 ascii_field not before.
15:33 trinque the lowest guys already make postman wages
15:33 trinque hell, lower
15:34 chetty the only reason other nations didnt rape us is us had bigger stick, they happily rape each other all the time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates
15:34 trinque chetty: that I readily grant
15:35 trinque and to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism
15:35 ascii_field chetty: the anglos being the authors of the global rapeatron, with themselves at the apex, earned the hate.
15:35 ascii_field starting with 1812 or so
15:36 ascii_field the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter
15:36 ascii_field 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068585 = 12.4825 BTC [-]
15:38 * chetty just dislikes seeing the assorted memes of the libtards repeated without clarifications
15:38 ascii_field chetty: the libertards are properly the 'repentance' arm of usg. what mr mold referred to as 'the cathedral'
15:39 ascii_field the folks inviting properly qualified minority female disabled folks to come to mit and write thesis on history of oppression by evil white males
15:39 chetty indeed, I don't do self hate and sore knees
15:39 ascii_field chetty: but it's a mega-growth industry
15:40 ascii_field why would the anglos ~not~ try to capitalize on their major asset
15:40 chetty sadly
15:41 trinque it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c
15:42 trinque I can look upon that and sleep just fine
15:43 funkenstein_ mostly in north america
15:44 chetty <trinque> it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c// please to point to a first world country that didnt?
15:44 ascii_field the liberasts tend to overemphasize the simple, kinetic rape & murder of .mil
15:45 ascii_field vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid
15:45 trinque chetty: that misses my point; I'm contradicting the claim that it doesn't still have a massive, throbbing cock with which to do so
15:45 ascii_field chetty: everyone else who is commonly accused, has a perfectly valid self-defense against anglos defense
15:45 ascii_field (ru, de)
15:46 chetty sure it does, it still has $$$ (as many as they can print)
15:46 trinque how much is a stockpile of nuclear weapons worth?
15:46 trinque at least 1 crimea
15:46 trinque maybe half a ukraine
15:46 trinque or some canadian oil
15:46 funkenstein_ most folks will pay you to take them away
15:47 chetty it just turns into this gian finger pointing thing, and in fact I dont think we have a proper clue where those fingers should be pointed.
15:47 trinque why are you bothering with the concept of blame?
15:47 ascii_field funkenstein_: don't confuse the freshly-usgificated su republics of 1991 with 'most folks'
15:47 trinque where all I'm saying is the 20th century's weapons are still there, and if the F35 doesn't work, this matters?
15:47 trinque the missile launches work just fine
15:47 ascii_field they gave up the goods in exchange for some usg lube for their raw anus
15:47 trinque *launchers
15:47 trinque !up ascii_field
15:50 trinque china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
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15:51 trinque this bias while understandable clouds the issue entirely
15:55 trinque !up ascii_field
15:56 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244293 << 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position'
15:56 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 19:50:57; trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
15:56 trinque right.
15:57 trinque and then in the other direction, denying them some particular goal == defeated
15:57 ascii_field it also means, depending on circumstances, 'can't be bombed with slow-moving pilotless planes with impunity' or even 'might fire back if bombarded navally'
15:57 ascii_field for instance, see how these folks pissed themselves with rage when ru wouldn't give up its sole warm water port just because washington asked
16:01 trinque ascii_field: seems to go along with what I'm saying
16:01 trinque USSR "fell" yet Russia was able to keep Crimea when push came to shove
16:02 trinque USA might "fall" too
16:02 ascii_field it remains to be seen if modern ru is ~actually~ sovereign
16:02 ascii_field or if they shy away from shooting every harvard and yale graduate on their soil when the hour comes
16:03 * ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport
16:03 phf ru did quietly close a handful of ngos, usaid being the largest of them.
16:04 ascii_field but were the vermin turned loose to do new things, and loudly stink? afaik, they were
16:04 ascii_field instead of being boiled for soap
16:05 trinque its true, there's not nearly enough pressure yet to see which structures will stand
16:05 trinque and not enough time passed
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00068375 = 55.5889 BTC [-] {7}
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5702 @ 0.00070349 = 4.0113 BTC [+]
16:29 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:29 ascii_field the am leak is mega-lulzy
16:41 wilbns Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct: https://medium.com/@wilbns/sovereign-credit-ratings-from-moody-s-fitch-and-s-p-will-soon-become-extinct-67c3e270f8a0
16:41 assbot Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4aPd )
16:50 shinohai https://redd.it/3hkomb <<< wow that's just BALLIN right there.
16:51 shinohai yay I made 59 cents today
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00072458 = 49.4888 BTC [+] {8}
16:57 mircea_popescu heh
16:58 * ascii_field browsing old phriends on am leak list
16:58 mircea_popescu lol
17:00 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
17:01 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> and therefore have been marked for gassing. <<< the other thing is, they had been doing fraud on a scale not seen since the credit unions.
17:01 ascii_field aha
17:01 ascii_field and the lion will show hyena his place
17:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, /me does not belive "for profit" education can be a thing. you can have for-profit amorous relaitons, something the us claims to be down on. you can't have for-profit education. it is a fundamentally unprofitable activity.
17:03 mircea_popescu the only thing you can have is forcible rituals of passing, where the kids pay in flesh.
17:03 ascii_field can have for-profit 'education' easily enough
17:04 mircea_popescu how ?
17:05 wilbns mircea_popescu: agree w/ what you are saying and would also add it's difficult to have for-profit healthcare as well
17:05 ascii_field in usa, higher education is more or less a straight racket
17:05 mircea_popescu difficult, but on the overall possible, i believe wilbns
17:05 mircea_popescu ascii_field ah with the quotes. yes,.
17:05 mircea_popescu surely. all fraud exists for profit, because why else.
17:05 ascii_field can also be for 'profit'
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30843 @ 0.0007374 = 22.7436 BTC [+]
17:06 mircea_popescu usually turns out to be.
17:06 ascii_field ('spam like a pro in 21 dayz', 'make money in your sleep')
17:06 mircea_popescu like the "money" the derp sending script output to trilema is making.
17:06 ascii_field aha.
17:06 mircea_popescu (got another one. 10 days now, that thing)
17:07 ascii_field recalling barnum's canonical 'sucker is born every minute, and two to take him' - can also add 'and two hundred and twenty two to visit the spot next day and smell the farts'
17:07 mircea_popescu the major challenge with the healthcare is keeping payments fair (which really simply means meaningful).
17:08 mircea_popescu but i would propose the actual case study for healthcare economics is... roman firefighting.
17:08 mircea_popescu made one guy very rich, at that.
17:08 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f1e335b0367c5d43b959c45ff26e85f6/tumblr_nq34b3NgnS1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
17:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTAjNb )
17:09 mircea_popescu (m l crassus, for the innocent)
17:12 mircea_popescu and back to the blocks issue : i've had a number of tests on various platforms. it would seem that time to verify blocks does not in fact scale liniarly with the block size.
17:13 mircea_popescu i have no idea why this is.
17:13 mircea_popescu in any case, comercially available home computers do not seem capable to verify full 8mb blocks six to the hour.
17:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: cache
17:14 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i, too, tested.
17:14 mircea_popescu same results ?
17:14 ascii_field (surprised?)
17:14 ascii_field same result.
17:14 ascii_field and can even describe why.
17:14 mircea_popescu it might be the DISK cache, i guess
17:14 mircea_popescu go ahead ?
17:14 ascii_field mno
17:14 ascii_field cpu l2 cache
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17:14 mircea_popescu oh for fucks sake
17:14 mircea_popescu you're exactly right aren't you.
17:14 ascii_field i am right because i have instrumented machines for this.
17:14 mircea_popescu yeah.
17:15 ascii_field (on other occasions, because my arse)
17:15 ascii_field but in this instance, machine.
17:15 mircea_popescu well...
17:15 mircea_popescu larger blocks ain't happening.
17:15 mircea_popescu forget everything. there's not going to be larger l2 caches.
17:15 mircea_popescu probably not ever.
17:15 ascii_field was there any genuine doubt in any genuine head that the mega-blox was a bullet for bitcoin ?
17:15 ascii_field vs anything else
17:15 mircea_popescu no, but that's a different issue.
17:15 ascii_field a bullet's job is not to make mr kennedy's brain work better
17:16 ascii_field but to help it explore the back of his car
17:16 mircea_popescu imo it did make lincoln's brain work better than it ever had before.
17:16 ascii_field and the asphalt
17:16 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-08-2015#1242340 << see also.
17:16 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 18:45:59; ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
17:17 ascii_field mircea_popescu: also expect usg-endorsed 'hardware accelerators' to come.
17:17 ascii_field as for aes.
17:17 mircea_popescu i would very much like to get better "humint" work put in.
17:17 mircea_popescu the effort so far is unimpressive.
17:18 mircea_popescu much cheaper than making a hw accelerator, too.
17:18 mircea_popescu well... in the sense that finding a girlfriend is cheaper than building a submarine in the garage, at any rate.
17:18 ascii_field for them, not expensive at all
17:19 ascii_field it'll be rolled into the 2017 intel shitentium or whatnot
17:19 ascii_field as a couplea extra instructions
17:19 mircea_popescu it's not as easy as al lthat.
17:19 ascii_field no?
17:20 mircea_popescu well no, they gotta work.
17:20 ascii_field in fact, now i recall that this is already happening
17:20 ascii_field (the nsa elliptic curve memo)
17:21 ascii_field it'll be in the next instruction addendum
17:21 ascii_field may already be featured in currently stocked dies.
17:21 ascii_field (undocumented)
17:21 ascii_field mega-bestseller! 'quantum resistant!'
17:22 mircea_popescu yeah but not really good enough
17:23 mircea_popescu and no, they don't get to uise the "quantum" gimmick to push ecc against rsa. like they didn't manage the past three or four gimmicks.
17:23 ascii_field good enough. it'll offload the scratch storage for the elliptic grind to dedicated sram
17:23 ascii_field and avoid blowing cache locality
17:23 mircea_popescu the time i consider changing off rsa is a time after i've taken a piss on the ruins of the white house.
17:23 mircea_popescu hm. that may actually work huh.
17:23 ascii_field mircea_popescu: recall, this is all in my burial notebook
17:24 ascii_field because screwed around with 'what if bitcoind circuit' for a spell
17:24 mircea_popescu in fact, making "intel the only way to run bitcoin node" is the biggest strategic gain usg can hope for atm.
17:24 ascii_field ergo megablox
17:24 mircea_popescu heh
17:25 mircea_popescu "oh, they won't be really USED yet. we just want it for when intel finally comes out wiht the chip and we can push it - not before"
17:25 mircea_popescu derp.
17:25 ascii_field i suspect it's coming off conveyor as we speak.
17:25 ascii_field in fact...
17:25 ascii_field drumroll....
17:25 mircea_popescu how does it feel, to have stuck so badly in so many clocks ?
17:26 ascii_field http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/wireless-infrastructure/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.html
17:26 assbot PCLMULQDQ Instruction and Elliptic Curve Cryptography: Paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBsEd )
17:26 ascii_field https://software.intel.com/en-us/node/503722 << more specifically
17:26 assbot Elliptic Curve Cryptography Functions | Intel® Developer Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBw78 )
17:26 mircea_popescu "We are sorry, This PDF is available in download format only"
17:26 mircea_popescu derp
17:26 mircea_popescu why the fguck is it a html then!
17:26 ascii_field ask obamitler.
17:27 ascii_field http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.pdf << has ocr
17:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBrn )
17:28 ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3TZEFA7.txt
17:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBYv )
17:28 ascii_field ^^^
17:28 mircea_popescu ty
17:29 thestringpuller "Put Molly all in her champagne, she ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain't even know it." - Rick Ross
17:29 mircea_popescu aha
17:30 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:31 phf bitch, i mybe, i mybe
17:32 ascii_field mircea_popescu: they'll frame it as 'just like mining!' too. 'why did you expect to be able to use 2009 pc for a node!111 you wouldn't try to cpu-mine,' aha
17:33 mircea_popescu heh
17:33 phf ascii_field: hey, we won't even have to write an op_sigverify for qemu deployment, they'd do it for us
17:33 trinque phf: that one's gucci mane innit?
17:34 trinque I recall because that's what he said in response to asking whether he was guilty of w/e chargers
17:34 trinque *charges
17:34 ascii_field phf: qemu, l0l! then wait century for block verify
17:34 phf trinque: hehe
17:38 mircea_popescu i think he's being jew-funny.
17:41 ascii_field re: intel: thing is, usg economizes. why con folks into using diddled cpu, if they can be persuaded to run winblowz 10 ?
17:41 phf "what does it mean? -- not funny"
17:41 ascii_field but the cpu will be pushed, yes. the design itself predates bitcoin
17:41 ascii_field and is part of the overall 'diddled crypto' campaign since clinton
17:42 mircea_popescu phf nah, it means, "told you they're going to lose the war - already out of bullets!"
17:43 punkman http://www.shutdownify.com/
17:43 assbot Shutdownify is shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTCG2t )
17:43 mircea_popescu ascii_field well, a man can't really ask (nor should really ask) for more than to be on the wrong side of the major battles of his time.
17:43 mircea_popescu give me a cato any day, keep all your cesars and pompeys.
17:43 mircea_popescu lol punkman
17:44 punkman "We knew when we started Shutdownify that its business model was risky, since many of our clients had already run out of money and were in the process of dissolving their companies."
17:44 punkman YC should have acquired them :P
17:46 ascii_field perhaps now mircea_popescu will buy an electron microscope.
17:46 ascii_field the saving grace is that the crud is all hidden in plain sight.
17:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00068124 = 44.2125 BTC [-] {4}
17:46 mircea_popescu not all, i'm sure.
17:46 ascii_field plain sight in the sense that your dna is.
17:47 ascii_field that it is not in a safe, in washington.
17:47 ascii_field no need to burgle a general.
17:49 ascii_field 'The PCLMULQDQ instruction Intel introduced in 2009
17:49 ascii_field on the 45nm Nehalem processor was renamed the CLMUL
17:49 ascii_field “Perform Carry-Less Multiplication” later that year and
17:49 ascii_field appeared in the 32nm “Westmere” processor in 2010. The
17:49 ascii_field CLMUL is used to perform the carry-less multiplication of an
17:49 ascii_field integer quad word (2 – 64 bit integers). This is complemented
17:50 ascii_field by six AES centric instructions. While the intended use of
17:50 ascii_field the CLMUL instruction set is to improve the performance of
17:50 ascii_field applications doing block cipher encryption in Galois/Counter
17:50 ascii_field Mode (dependent upon finite field multiplication), the six AES
17:50 ascii_field instructions are specific to accelerate the FIPS Publication
17:50 ascii_field Number 197 standard. An important implementation
17:50 ascii_field of these instructions includes AES-GCM (Advanced
17:50 ascii_field Encryption Standard - Galois Counter Mode) where AESNI
17:50 ascii_field combinatorial logic appears to have a large effect on
17:50 ascii_field encryption speed. '
17:50 ascii_field ew
17:51 ascii_field fucking pdf
17:51 mircea_popescu yeah at least /\/n/ / or something
17:51 scoopbot_revived Shutdown Notice Startup Shutdownify Lastest Failed Startup http://qntra.net/2015/08/shutdown-notice-startup-shutdownify-lastest-failed-startup/
17:51 ascii_field (original turd at https://www.verisigninc.com/assets/whitepaper-advanced-encryption-standard.pdf )
17:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbKJz )
17:51 BingoBoingo ^ Too good to pass up
17:51 mircea_popescu lol that was qwik
17:51 mircea_popescu did you also call the m,useum of modern art ?
17:52 mircea_popescu a happening's happening!
17:52 BingoBoingo Will later, once story is storied
17:52 BingoBoingo In the hallowed halls dedicated to hallowed hall where songs were sang of songs once sang
17:53 ascii_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLMUL_instruction_set << surprisingly readable overview
17:53 assbot CLMUL instruction set - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbTwB )
17:53 punkman "Truth is, this service never quite delivered on their promise. When my last two startups closed shop, it took shutdownify over 3 days to process the first one, and the second was still a full two days to get up and running. At that point I could have just put together a page myself. It didn't help that they rewrote their tech stack from Ruby to Node even as they were trying to find customers. "
17:54 punkman apparently it's a joke
17:55 mircea_popescu bwahahaha WHAT STACK omfg
18:01 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
18:07 punkman "1) make web app claiming to check if someone's deets were in the Ashley Madison DB 2) harvest this new list of philanderers to blackmail"
18:07 ascii_field punkman: already done with the credit card scam thing
18:08 ascii_field 'ismyccnumberstolen.com' or what was it.
18:08 punkman what was it, "give me all your cc info so I can check if it's stolen?"
18:09 punkman kinda a trope by now
18:09 ascii_field ancient history.
18:15 ascii_field ;;ticker
18:15 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.28, Best ask: 223.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 223.3, 24 hour volume: 127511.97948833, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 255.08, 24 hour vwap: None
18:16 ascii_field classy
18:16 ascii_field mircea_popescu ^
18:16 ascii_field apparently, once was not enough ?
18:16 mircea_popescu hm ?
18:17 mircea_popescu !up bitcoinfailed
18:17 bitcoinfailed hows argentina
18:17 ascii_field mircea_popescu: they're at it again. because apparently didn't have enough last time
18:18 mircea_popescu pretty dumb.
18:18 mircea_popescu ascii_field not crossed yet or wut ?
18:18 ascii_field not crossed yet
18:18 ascii_field guess they decided that a very low resistor is safer than a dead short
18:18 bitcoinfailed worse than romania or par?
18:19 mircea_popescu argentina is slightly dumber than romania in 1960.
18:20 bitcoinfailed you fall for doug casey's recommendation of the place
18:20 bitcoinfailed and can you please get yourself a proper tailor? those bag suits look aweful.
18:21 bitcoinfailed $1500 get you tailored suit.
18:21 ascii_field http://orderbook.info << if believed - negative spreads all over the place
18:21 assbot Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqeVAX )
18:22 mircea_popescu now how would you know that.
18:22 mircea_popescu ascii_field i think this is good for bitcoin!
18:22 ascii_field it's worth a l0l
18:23 bitcoinfailed bitcoin going to $50
18:23 ascii_field https://archive.is/CLrrY
18:23 ascii_field snapshotted the 'crossed wires' for posterity
18:23 ascii_field somebody deedbot it ?
18:23 ascii_field 'cause historical graphs for spreads don't usually have room below the zero
18:24 punkman ascii_field: that website is doing it's own thing
18:24 punkman books have not crossed everywhere
18:24 ascii_field punkman: almost certain
18:24 ascii_field punkman: i couldn't possibly say whether it tells the truth
18:24 punkman notice two exchanges, one on each side of table
18:25 ascii_field but this particular gambit is working, mass sell floods (or simulacra thereof) pretty much everywhere
18:30 ascii_field naturally, all of this is unhappening.
18:31 ascii_field doubleplusunhappening.
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00068069 = 69.7367 BTC [-] {3}
18:32 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoWSaM61NI
18:32 assbot 70 Awful Displays Of Sexism On Fox News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwy5vF )
18:34 mircea_popescu could have made it 69...
18:35 trinque deedbot-: http://deedbot.org/negative-spread.txt
18:35 assbot Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwyfTK )
18:35 deedbot- accepted: 1
18:35 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMyNpGgXAAA8IcF.jpg:large
18:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwydvg )
18:36 punkman not negative spreads!
18:37 punkman more "arbitrage" derping
18:37 trinque either way, title doesn't matter for zee bot
18:38 trinque oh I see what that site does.
18:38 trinque anyhow, was just responding to the request for deedbotting
18:39 mircea_popescu bitcoinfailed that's all you got btw ?
18:39 mircea_popescu i feel kinda scammed, those !up s go for like a bitcoin each iirc.
18:39 bitcoinfailed eh?
18:39 bitcoinfailed no i dont have much to say, i will occasionally read your musings on trilema
18:40 bitcoinfailed just wanted to point out its time to lose the cheap suits
18:42 bitcoinfailed you want something with high armholes so when you lift your arms the entire thing doesnt lift off your shoulders
~ 17 minutes ~
18:59 mircea_popescu lol. this entire "cheap suits" business has its comedic value. here's something you wouldn't know : while visiting here, ben_vulpes got to meet my tailor, on the grounds that we walked by his shop downtown and teh old jewish gentleman ran out to assure his dearly beloved mr popesco that his suit will be done in time.
19:00 mircea_popescu on the other hand, we have yet another bleeting barn animal from anybarn, usa, derping impressively about things he's heard of, via movies.
19:00 mircea_popescu it makes for a decent contrast, which i guess is what all humor comes from.
19:01 mircea_popescu still, 6/10.
19:02 BingoBoingo From pr0nogra[pher, to who uses MPEx, to Suits
19:03 mircea_popescu all the many things reddit's expertise shines upon.
19:03 mircea_popescu they really should, once they're done fix bitcoin, go bring democracy to africa or what was it.
19:03 mircea_popescu the middle east ? i forget.
19:03 mircea_popescu the country of africa & middle east.
19:14 scoopbot_revived El Gran' Teatro Argentino http://trilema.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/
19:24 mircea_popescu <ascii_field>wake me up when they close mit << what, you mean THE PREMIERE something something INSTITUTION in THE WORLD!!! ?
19:24 mircea_popescu what nonsense is this! what'd the world do!
19:27 mircea_popescu trinque how do you know he means the part about immigrants and not the part about "the debt of the us shall not be questioned" ?
19:29 mircea_popescu <mats>ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time << he has a point. isis would be the first state actually outside of us policy since soviet russia.
19:30 mircea_popescu <trinque>seems about the same size << the chechens are about the same size. the us is in no sense the same size as the su when it fell. this theory can be readily verified putting the country through the equivalent of the 90s, which is coming regardless.
19:33 mircea_popescu <trinque>the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first << looked at the budget past decade ?
19:33 mircea_popescu the last light shut off is in the office of the guy giving free housing to "needy" voters.
19:35 mircea_popescu <trinque>we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there << nobody has any incentive whatsoever to be "american". it's not even vaguely an identity. you might wish to be texan, maybe, liek some soviets wished to be russian. but otherwiose, being an iowan or a californian or a wisconsinian or generally an american is the epitome of fair weather friends : for as long as it pays to do so and no longer.
19:35 mats yeah seriously. the army, for instance, is being whittled down to nothing, which has been in the works since rumsfeld/bush
19:35 mircea_popescu <trinque>I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes << the "entrie us military" long ago vanished. it now consists of boys playing video games and girls playing the tomboy. that is not an army, it's a psycho patient support group.
19:36 mircea_popescu in no way different than any other mental healthcare hospital, except it's larger and per-patient cheaper
19:36 mats idea goes: we fight moar proxy wars and don't need so much line infantry, so we'll employ doorkickers and hire out to palantir and academi for the rest
19:36 mircea_popescu right. worked so fucking splendidly over that last siege
19:36 mircea_popescu remember ? we lolled at it in these very logs.
19:36 mats am curious to see mosul.
19:37 mircea_popescu sorta like one's curious to see the 2006 F1.
19:37 mircea_popescu "oh, schumy lost." ?! "haha-had you!"
19:40 asciilifeform usg doesn't really need an army. just an internal gendarmerie
19:40 mircea_popescu <funkenstein_>trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear << exactly how it went in russia heh.
19:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform internal, as in, in your own head ?
19:41 asciilifeform not the least.
19:41 mircea_popescu neone's welcome to furnish his own skull as he sees fit.
19:41 asciilifeform but also generally.
19:42 mircea_popescu <trinque>am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military? << you are wrong in imagining there's any sort of continuity. present day russian military shares nothing at all with the one that ended, and is almost entirely putin's making.
19:42 mircea_popescu much like the third reich military had no debts owed to weimar and generally was hitler's creation.
19:42 asciilifeform nothing but ~80% of the materiel ? l0l
19:42 mircea_popescu the future where russian military was like present day german military seemed the likelier eventuality in 1990.
19:42 mats does usg have suitcase nukes?
19:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that old junk ?
19:43 asciilifeform mats: they were Officially (tm) (r) abolished in '90s
19:43 mircea_popescu what's next, "they use the same topsoil!!!"
19:43 mircea_popescu <trinque>the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used << so does nigeria. wtf argument is this.
19:43 mircea_popescu "the woman has her own tits!!1" mmmyeah ?
19:44 BingoBoingo Double standards http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3203538/Horrifying-Facebook-page-edits-images-plus-size-models-overweight-strangers-look-thinner-creators-claiming-help-misguided-women-potential.html vs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2956952/Kim-Kardashian-Katy-Perry-plus-size-makeover-Stars-pile-pounds-photos-manipulated-Spanish-artist-says-look-better-bigger-women.html
19:44 assbot Project Harpoon Facebook page edits images of plus-size models to look thinner | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfpVK )
19:44 assbot Kim Kardashian and Katy Perry get a plus size makeover by Spanish artist | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfrwR )
19:44 mircea_popescu <ascii_field>trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction' << i suspect this is what 2015 stalin would have called dekulakization.
19:45 BingoBoingo Where is the editorial consistency?
19:45 mircea_popescu of the... daily mail ?!
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55045 @ 0.00067887 = 37.3684 BTC [-]
19:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: demand destruction is, approximately, the dekulakization one does for folks who have nothing
19:46 asciilifeform nothing, that is, but open mouths. so you - close them.
19:46 mircea_popescu <mats>militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC << it doesn't want or need to march in dc. all it conceivably might want is to pull a rotherham over at vassar.
19:46 asciilifeform (typically - permanently.)
19:46 mircea_popescu all those preppy white chicks probably make excellent harem slaves.
19:47 * asciilifeform thought that mexico had this 'market' cornered in usa ?
19:47 mircea_popescu <trinque>if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf? << you need to stop being racis.
19:47 mircea_popescu what do you think a military is, some sort of a country club ? it exists to obey orders. the orders atm are on the line of "scoring officers' sensitivity to inane nontopics"
19:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mexicans are kinda lazy methinks. the arabs are more serious when they do it.
19:49 mircea_popescu <trinque>and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg << IF you can find a certain corporal in the army that will get badly defeated and who resents the coupla decades of peace which consist mostly of american teenagers being used as public toilets from rashapur to ankara, then yes, maybe, dictatorship.
19:49 asciilifeform american collective immune system has been massaged on more or less nothing but 'arab' for past decade.
19:49 mircea_popescu that's a big if, tho.
19:49 mircea_popescu yes, but they have paradoxical reaction.
19:49 mircea_popescu most teenaged girls' immune system had been massaged on more or less nothing but "boys" for millenia
19:49 mircea_popescu the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
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19:49 asciilifeform dedicated firmware in play there, no ?
19:50 mircea_popescu where girl goes and kneels before anotehr woman's rapist to get some herself.
19:50 mircea_popescu the firmware in question is both dedicated and ubiquitous.
19:50 BingoBoingo I have as many connections form "subver" : "/Atdollar:0.10.2/" as XT nao
19:50 mircea_popescu lol
19:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: question is, naturally, not 'whether rapist', but 'which'
19:50 mircea_popescu notrly. where the hell is that gif
19:50 asciilifeform .. biggest walrus? clearly not, that one lacked tusks, even.
19:51 asciilifeform biggest penguin? no, walrus
19:51 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif
19:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ )
19:51 BingoBoingo On that note it is time for another peerdump http://dpaste.com/3C80S67
19:51 assbot dpaste: 3C80S67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyFAqp )
19:51 mircea_popescu so, walrus is fucking a penguin. and one of those seagulls goes in front of it and exhibits itself for sexual use.
19:51 mircea_popescu it had plenty of other choices, such as for instance, sitting around.
19:52 mircea_popescu but...
19:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc, the behaviour is even more automatic and pronounced in certain fish
19:52 mircea_popescu it's the most pronounced in humans.
19:53 mircea_popescu orwell feigned-disgustedly called it "power worship"
19:53 mircea_popescu but the notion the usian will put up any sort of resistence, to any sort of invader, ofany kind come from anywhere...
19:53 mircea_popescu yeah, he would. like the woman puts up resistence. with her uterus.
19:53 asciilifeform didn't we earlier 'there is no american' ?
19:54 mircea_popescu whole fuckthing wouldnt' work too well if you just fell in.
19:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "usian" is a population. like the argentine cattle. not a nation.
19:54 asciilifeform aha
19:54 asciilifeform but let's say, texan ? also no resistance? caves in like france in ww2 ?
19:54 asciilifeform uteri at the ready ?
19:54 mircea_popescu texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough
19:55 mircea_popescu what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
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19:55 asciilifeform incidentally, re: the latter, this is not spoken of much in soviet or even modern times, but when germans invaded, the barber shops near the front were packet. with gurlz.
19:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:55 asciilifeform *packed
19:56 mircea_popescu i'm sure they were all spies sent by stalin himself to lure the enemy into a false sense of confidence.
19:56 asciilifeform quite
19:56 mircea_popescu (i'm doing alf in b-a of 1939 :D)
19:56 asciilifeform aha l0l
19:57 asciilifeform it is interesting to read the jp rationale for not attempting invasion or even saboteur ops on the u.s. continent in ww2
19:57 mircea_popescu <trinque>chetty: this is not what happened? << no, it is not what happened.
19:57 mircea_popescu merely because the ww2 cost the us less than it cost europe does not mean it wasn't costly.
19:57 asciilifeform summed up to something like 'there's three barrels per man there, and they will all point at us'
19:57 mircea_popescu and generally, no involvement of us in anywhere to date has been economically productive.
19:57 mircea_popescu iraq is still to this day a net loss.
19:57 asciilifeform for country - loss
19:57 asciilifeform for haliburton, lockheed ?
19:58 mircea_popescu for the us.
19:58 asciilifeform life itself.
19:58 asciilifeform lizards != usa at large
19:58 asciilifeform when their current host dies, they will decamp to wherever it is they have a welcome party
19:58 asciilifeform (zurich? antarctica? who the fuck cares)
19:58 mircea_popescu you can't build yourself a rich house as a fiftene year old stealing from your father and fencing the stuff.
19:59 mircea_popescu they will decamp to the concentration camp.
19:59 mircea_popescu just like - jews, in yurp
19:59 asciilifeform how many rothchilds in the camps ?
19:59 mircea_popescu another thing nobody really wants to talk aboot.
19:59 mircea_popescu plenty.
19:59 mircea_popescu for a while there you couldf even fuck one, for the asking.
19:59 * asciilifeform hearing of this for the first time
19:59 mircea_popescu they'd hold her down for you, too.
20:00 asciilifeform suggest a source ?
20:00 mircea_popescu ;;google elisabeth de rothschild
20:00 asciilifeform any language
20:00 gribble Élisabeth de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_de_Rothschild>; Philippine de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_de_Rothschild>; Baroness Philippine de Rothschild - obituary - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11056866/Baroness-Philippine-de- (1 more message)
20:00 BingoBoingo I seriously going to have to work on the no SPV allowed problem. Why should "/bitcoinj:0.12.3/Bitcoin Wallet:4.35-blackberry/" even think it ough to be service by my node
20:00 mircea_popescu ;;google blanka rothschild
20:00 gribble Life After the Holocaust: Blanka Rothschild: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=2845&ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=5945>
20:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato
20:00 asciilifeform but still reminiscent of vasiliy stalin
20:01 asciilifeform (wonder if he got to fuck any rothchilds before 'shot while escape')
20:01 asciilifeform 'Élisabeth de Rothschild (née de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.'
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20:02 asciilifeform any ~proper~ rothchilds ?
20:02 mircea_popescu sigh.
20:02 mircea_popescu the "proper" rothschilds lived in the 17th and 18th century.
20:02 mircea_popescu "any proper kennedys ?!?!?!!"
20:04 asciilifeform i don't ask for the impossible! merely the 'romanov gold standard' of cleansing
20:04 mircea_popescu heh
20:04 mircea_popescu unlike in the case of the romanovs, by the 1940s time had already cleansed this bunch.
20:04 mircea_popescu (but i can bring same argument - hey, any PROPER romanovs the reds shot ?)
20:05 mircea_popescu not like you're gonna try and argue THAT bunch of degenerates were the true namesakes.
20:05 asciilifeform ^ point
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9561 @ 0.00069302 = 6.626 BTC [+]
20:06 asciilifeform sometimes, one even gets the 'old and new romanovs' in same physical package.
20:06 asciilifeform e.g., hitler 34 vs 45
20:06 mircea_popescu guess so.
20:06 mircea_popescu hitler was a derp throughout tho.
20:07 mircea_popescu a thir dting nobody wants to say
20:07 asciilifeform derp with full battery vs empty
20:07 asciilifeform makes difference
20:07 mircea_popescu lucky derp, at first, yes. but luck runs out.
20:07 mircea_popescu yeah, it does. until it runs out.
20:07 mircea_popescu then you get "the german people have failed and let's blow everything up"
20:07 asciilifeform how else.
20:07 mircea_popescu because we're fucking 14.
20:07 asciilifeform everybody's 14 when their battery runs down.
20:08 mircea_popescu in the casino for the first time, and can only win, because mom had us with saint Winny.
20:08 mircea_popescu no dude. not everyone's 14 when their battery runs down.
20:08 mircea_popescu the even reason you bother selecting people in the first place, is that.
20:09 asciilifeform example ?
20:09 mircea_popescu ;;google fefeleaga
20:09 gribble Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/>; Popasul Fefeleaga - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti30gFW8GiM>; Asta-i Romania - Iti aduci aminte de Fefeleaga? Reporterii nostri au ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvysS6zgw1o>
20:09 mircea_popescu heh.
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00070503 = 4.4339 BTC [+]
20:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am testing out my new just in time examples webservice, built on node.js and ruby on rails!
20:10 asciilifeform l0lz
20:11 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn8r4/nick_szabo_on_twitter_what_happens_when_the << moar from the filipinotron
20:11 assbot Nick Szabo on Twitter: "What happens when the managers and investors ignore the engineers and scientists .. . " : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqi95w )
20:11 mircea_popescu wait wut ?
20:12 mircea_popescu how the fuck is it the managers get the short stick again!
20:12 mircea_popescu what am i, an engineer now ? a scientist ? wtf is this pious fraud bs.
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa 'manager' is more or less synonymous with 'pointy boss'
20:12 mircea_popescu nevertheless!!!!
20:12 asciilifeform sorta like the word 'programmer' to mircea_popescu is synonymous with mark karpeles
20:12 mircea_popescu in africa doctor is more or less synonymous with shaman, what the fuck light does that throw on any discussion
20:13 mircea_popescu the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.
20:13 asciilifeform the fella who hasn't programmed since what, '95 ?
20:14 mircea_popescu neither has anyone else.
20:14 asciilifeform and hasn't overseen others program since perhaps '05
20:14 mircea_popescu well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?
20:14 asciilifeform then sure.
20:14 mircea_popescu otherwise what, "bravery to me is X" "oh, you mean pissing ? because X pissed at a certain point in time!"
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00068488 = 1.8403 BTC [-] {2}
20:18 asciilifeform 'Meanwhile in a cattle herd inhabiting an endless plain, the strictures of speech as a regulator of human activity do not exist per se. Argentines do not speak like you and me, Argentines bleat and bark like your sheep and dogs. They appreciate the loudness, the sudden quality, the melodicity, the formal "propriety" of speech much like a parrot judges another parrot's noises. They do not however comprehend, nor do they have an
20:18 asciilifeform y expectation that words string together into anything other than a noisy flow, and in no case does any notion occur to bother them that perhaps words carry the future in any sense.' << where is this ~not~ the case ?
20:18 mircea_popescu rinque>my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries << kick that dem-socialist coolaid srsly.
20:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform among people.
20:19 asciilifeform where do i buy a ticket to, to see some ~people~ ?
20:20 mircea_popescu yeah. me too.
20:21 mircea_popescu http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/21/legendary-10-warthog-sends-isis-fleeing-even-as-it-faces-pentagon-cuts/ in other news.
20:21 assbot Legendary A-10 'Warthog' sends ISIS fleeing even as it faces Pentagon cuts | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqjklm )
20:21 asciilifeform 'puff the magic dragon'
20:22 BingoBoingo No, that's the AC-130
20:23 mircea_popescu speaking of which, has ever existed a worse failure than the GSh-6-30
20:24 mircea_popescu fucking comedic that thing, should have a surrealist film made about it
20:28 asciilifeform 'The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instr
20:28 asciilifeform ument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200 meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.' << l0l
20:28 * asciilifeform isn't necessarily buying this wholesale
20:28 mircea_popescu the only people that ever made the airplane tank work were the 60s usians.
20:28 asciilifeform il-2 worked
20:28 mircea_popescu barely.
20:28 asciilifeform well enough.
20:28 mircea_popescu that their deranged successors don't even recognise the marks of this...
20:29 mircea_popescu tell you what asciilifeform, bitcoin works well enough.
20:29 asciilifeform doesntit?
20:30 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:30 mircea_popescu by about an inch.
20:30 asciilifeform like il-2.
20:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.00070113 = 36.2155 BTC [+] {3}
20:34 mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/562ac2236fcaadfa4772643e97bdfe09/tumblr_nq30unWHdb1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqkMEx )
20:34 BingoBoingo A-10 is basically flying pogo
20:34 trinque mircea_popescu | texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough << this is a fair point, and drives home all the rest.
20:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do they make chicks with faces any more ?
20:34 asciilifeform or are those a specialty item
20:34 mircea_popescu whadda ya mean ?
20:35 trinque my perspective came from thinking of the country as a singular thing.
20:35 trinque when my own identity is very much involved with the idea that it isn't
20:35 trinque see: Texan
20:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230318 << meant this
20:35 assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 04:50:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'
20:35 mircea_popescu trinque you know, the austro-hungarians had much better call to think of their alcatuire as "a singular thing"
20:35 mircea_popescu it vanished like foam.
20:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this latest girl looks dumb to you ?!
20:36 * trinque departs, thanks for the responses.
20:36 asciilifeform not dumb per se - but americanized
20:36 asciilifeform it's a kind of kabuki
20:37 asciilifeform where traces of intelligence, of expression - ground off, like the unnecessary glass in a lens
20:37 mircea_popescu the girls iirc czech, and hm... don't ever visit bohemia then. it's where the small round cro mignon faceship landed
20:37 mircea_popescu well, that and the arctic, at any rate.
20:37 asciilifeform it is also where, i'm told, american pisswater beer was invented.
20:37 mircea_popescu lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
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20:38 asciilifeform hey, if eskimos or pygmies had invented it, it would be sop in usa just the same
20:42 BingoBoingo IN other news Corn fields looking markedly worse this week
20:44 BingoBoingo Just lots of stunted, short and prematurely yellow swaths of the stuff.
20:47 BingoBoingo Last week on KMOX Illinois DepAg was talking about a fall of 15% over last year's crop, but shit looks to have started dying really fast
21:01 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
21:02 pete_dushenski heya bb
21:03 * mircea_popescu has found expressions. here you go alfie : http://40.media.tumblr.com/3f0ee5f8d2599756d334bfb82b808e1c/tumblr_nq2z7gOWuC1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg
21:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmaiER )
21:04 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/#comment-27007
21:04 assbot Scratch | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmansj )
21:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00069183 = 30.2676 BTC [-]
21:06 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244794 << fish sticks
21:06 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 00:37:58; mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
21:06 mircea_popescu <ascii_field>the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter << orly ? http://trilema.com/2013/no-womans-land/#selection-449.68-449.225
21:06 assbot No Woman's Land on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmayDT )
21:08 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
21:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 229.03, vol: 22207.10059825 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.665, vol: 12951.48373 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.28, vol: 49340.32891638 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 222.23, vol: 12.31153437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.539252, vol: 28568.41500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 230.68, vol: 234.52257077 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 240.624, vol: 188.77977785 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
21:08 BingoBoingo ;;more
21:08 gribble 228.859421478
21:09 pete_dushenski volume calmed down. slightly.
21:09 pete_dushenski still a joke but w/e
21:09 pete_dushenski even jokes calm down eventually
21:10 mircea_popescu ascii_field>vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid << in fairness : this was bismarck's idea, to finance the pre-ww1 eurozone. it HAD to be constantly rolled up in higher and higher schemes, because at all points throughout the past two centuries, bismarck's folly (pay now and the more people coming next will pay you) seemed too big to fail.
21:11 asciilifeform as always, l0l
21:11 mircea_popescu and it'll keep getting rolled if at all possible,
21:11 mircea_popescu because renouncing it still to this day seems too much to ask.
21:13 mircea_popescu trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its own, private local
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21:13 mircea_popescu policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.
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21:14 mircea_popescu this is a political disaster for the us, nothing like the superficial humiliations it has received politically from the likes of putin and practically from the likes of isis
21:14 mircea_popescu because in reaction to this, those countries have, and do, and will reallign.
21:14 BingoBoingo ;;later tell trinque Missouri is probably a better Texas than Texas
21:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:14 mircea_popescu now, a graphite baton can survive some cleavage. but a glass baton will shatter.
21:15 mircea_popescu and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.
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21:16 mircea_popescu so no, it's not bias. just facts you don't know in contexts you don't grasp.
21:17 mircea_popescu otherwise, i'm about as biased in favour of an empire of china as i'm biased in favour of an empire of grasshoppers.
21:17 mircea_popescu <ascii_field>'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position' << amusingly, this bled from the DoD into the "law enforcement" paramilitary wing.
21:19 pete_dushenski ;;remove 22434
21:19 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
21:20 pete_dushenski ;;remove 22434
21:20 gribble Order 22434 removed.
21:20 mircea_popescu wilbns>Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct << unavoidably. they have been largely ignored ever since the ridiculous failures they displayed a decade or so ago.
21:20 asciilifeform stay awake folks, about to post something kewl
21:21 pete_dushenski now that i slept through a fringe show this afternoon, i'm awake.
21:21 pete_dushenski speaking of said show, the review is another missed shot by scoopbot_revived. that williamdunne...
21:22 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/
21:22 assbot Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmbTuq )
21:23 asciilifeform mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
21:23 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
21:23 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html
21:23 assbot [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00069075 = 12.5026 BTC [-]
21:25 BingoBoingo Xoas
21:25 asciilifeform ?
21:27 asciilifeform if anyone does not understand why i did this, or, alternatively, believes that this ought to have been done in some other way - please speak.
21:27 BingoBoingo Chaos in the greek root, the 'V'oid
21:28 asciilifeform otherwise, friends, go and verify, and sign the output!
21:28 asciilifeform and post the sig
21:28 asciilifeform if everyone's output is the same, the sigs will be valid!
21:28 asciilifeform when tested against what is produced in this recipe, now or 100 years from now.
21:29 asciilifeform (offtopic: perhaps the single most asinine aspect of gpg signature as-we-have-it is the lack of a clearly delineated space to write ~why~ you are signing something.)
21:29 asciilifeform most folks cram it into the payload, yes.
21:29 asciilifeform but there is not always a place.
21:30 mircea_popescu tye why and the what are not separable.
21:32 mircea_popescu but yes, this is the right thing.
21:33 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: << thanks ascii, will take a look.
21:38 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
21:38 asciilifeform mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
21:38 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000149.html
21:38 assbot [BTC-dev] V Breath-of-Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXXQNL )
21:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069075 = 6.3549 BTC [-]
21:38 mod6 asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?
21:39 asciilifeform mod6: yes.
21:39 asciilifeform apologies.
21:39 mod6 np. just checkin.
21:39 asciilifeform re: breath of life: again, the beauty of cruel equations: if your vdiffs are correctly generated, my signatures will verify.
21:39 asciilifeform OTHERWISE NOT.
21:40 pete_dushenski sneaky
21:40 asciilifeform if you read the 'orchestra' post and followed instructions, you have a set that will verify against 'breath of life.'
21:40 asciilifeform that you should have generated yourself.
21:41 asciilifeform with 'breath of life', it is now possible to use 'v'. even though i have not given it to anyone yet...
21:41 asciilifeform can write it yourself. not so hard.
21:42 * BingoBoingo just impressed there exists a versioning system nao
21:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo might be anti-impressed when he realizes what it consists of
21:42 asciilifeform ... largely, 'grep'.
21:42 asciilifeform and some recursion.
21:44 BingoBoingo Mebbe we have different definitions of impressed.
21:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21441 @ 0.00069073 = 14.8099 BTC [-] {2}
21:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10249 @ 0.00068488 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
21:53 asciilifeform incidentally, if you make a mistake in your 'genesis', other vpatches also will fail.
21:53 * BingoBoingo humble enough to assume if something doesn't work that I introduced the problem
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00068488 = 22.4278 BTC [-]
21:58 pete_dushenski "To M. Popescu: I apologize. I was arrogant and wrong and insulting."
21:58 pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598
21:58 assbot The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw2iQE )
22:00 pete_dushenski almost 6 months to the day later. was there a yeshiva in there ?
22:00 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ty, I hadn't checked to approve new commenters, so must still have cookie from original comment
22:02 BingoBoingo commented from same ip
22:03 mircea_popescu o.O
22:03 mircea_popescu this can happen ? which internet is this ?
22:04 BingoBoingo An internet between the ROckie Mountains and Pacific ocean
22:04 mircea_popescu as the romanian expression goes, "sa increstam in grinda".
22:04 pete_dushenski internet 0.5.4
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22:05 pete_dushenski "Raja Bhatia, Ashley Madison's founding CTO who today consults for the website's team, is not convinced this leak is real. He told investigative journo Brian Krebs this evening that the site does not store credit card numbers. "If there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us, because we don’t even have that," Bhatia added." << vs. internet 3.0
22:05 pete_dushenski "we don't even do that !"
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00068093 = 11.7481 BTC [-]
22:06 pete_dushenski "if someone claims that we provide security and confidentiality, you ~know~ they've got the wrong guys !"
22:06 mircea_popescu concerned ceo told the clueless press "i don't even" in an emotionally charged meeting over tea tonight
22:09 mircea_popescu anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
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22:09 mircea_popescu clinton can rest easy, his school of public communication still depends on what is is.
22:13 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: unless you're already writing up today's am break, i think i'll take a crack at it for qntra
22:13 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Give it a go
22:13 pete_dushenski aite
22:17 BingoBoingo Moar qntra always welcome
22:20 hanbot <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
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22:23 mod6 it's in the chicken.tar.gz
22:24 mod6 asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
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22:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )
22:24 mod6 Has any one else noticed this error?
22:29 mircea_popescu "There's absolutely no difference between Keiser's scamcoin and Gavin's scam coin as far as the network is concerned : while one's a scammer that I humiliatingly defeated in the past whereas the other a scammer that I humiliatingly defeat in the future, this makes no difference for Bitcoin."
22:29 mircea_popescu shiiit i love reading my old stuff.
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.0006785 = 6.3616 BTC [-] {2}
22:33 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43610
22:33 assbot The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw6iAT )
22:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00067776 = 44.4272 BTC [-] {3}
22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8408 @ 0.00069384 = 5.8338 BTC [+] {2}
22:41 mod6 alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt to produce a vpatch as discussed in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html : Here is the diff of the vdiff my script produced v. the one included with asciilifeform's email: http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt
22:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )
22:41 assbot [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
22:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )
22:42 mod6 The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
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22:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.000696 = 43.3608 BTC [+] {4}
22:48 mod6 hanbot: so yeah, chicken.tar.gz isn't linked in the 'V Genesis' email. But it can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz
22:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7ZON )
22:48 mod6 (contains the mainifest you are looking for)
22:48 hanbot thx mod6, grabbed it
22:49 mod6 good deal.
22:49 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0XSGB0B.txt
22:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw86d8 )
22:52 mircea_popescu http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious
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22:52 assbot EXCLUSIV Topul orașelor cu cele mai accesibile locuinţe din România ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw8yrK )
22:54 mircea_popescu 20-30k euro / 50mp aka 4-600 usd/sqft.
22:59 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff
23:00 pete_dushenski dude, it makes no difference
23:00 pete_dushenski i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left'
23:00 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look.
23:01 pete_dushenski ?
23:01 pete_dushenski dude, qntra is 'left' by default
23:01 pete_dushenski these qntra editors and their trolling ;/
23:02 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle
23:02 BingoBoingo *style
23:07 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: u so raja
23:08 BingoBoingo Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever
23:09 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business?
23:11 scoopbot_revived Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
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23:11 pete_dushenski i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb
23:11 mod6 <p">Any data not signed ...
23:12 pete_dushenski hm ya...
23:13 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ...
23:13 pete_dushenski i b0rked this formatting job
23:13 BingoBoingo mod6: fixed
23:13 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No I did
23:14 BingoBoingo It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes?
23:14 asciilifeform http://www.futurologyalert.com/2015/08/nasa-has-been-granted-200000-year-for.html << 'spreading works!!11'
23:14 assbot Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwbftf )
23:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244909 << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will
23:15 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
23:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244925 << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that
23:15 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
23:15 asciilifeform that was the intent
23:16 asciilifeform you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps
23:16 asciilifeform (i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...)
23:16 asciilifeform at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ.
23:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244934 << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa
23:17 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious
23:17 mod6 it look to me that the hashes match. but they're not all in the same order for som reason.
23:17 mod6 *some
23:17 asciilifeform mod6: interesting. sort, compare.
23:18 asciilifeform srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
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23:18 mod6 yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out.
23:18 mod6 true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu.
23:18 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244911 << oh for fuck's sake
23:18 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
23:18 asciilifeform y'know what,
23:18 asciilifeform if you have an ubuntu,
23:18 asciilifeform take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn,
23:18 BingoBoingo BBC
23:18 asciilifeform and shoot it in the head.
23:19 mod6 hahah
23:19 asciilifeform then sell for glue.
23:19 asciilifeform this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions.
23:20 asciilifeform 'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu.
23:20 asciilifeform fuck, qnx is.
23:20 mircea_popescu lol
23:20 asciilifeform i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu.
23:21 BingoBoingo plan9 is really pretty fly
23:22 BingoBoingo http://morpheus.2f30.org/ << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel
23:22 assbot Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )
23:22 asciilifeform snore.
23:23 asciilifeform gimme all or nothing, i say.
23:23 asciilifeform screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit.
23:24 BingoBoingo Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed
23:25 * BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...
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23:25 * BingoBoingo glares at Eulora
23:27 BingoBoingo !up TheRealJohnGalt
23:28 asciilifeform !s from:TheRealJohnGalt
23:28 assbot 0 results for 'from:TheRealJohnGalt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ATheRealJohnGalt
23:28 asciilifeform hm?
23:28 asciilifeform kakobrekla?
23:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3}
23:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244949 << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system
23:31 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
23:31 asciilifeform perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with
23:32 asciilifeform who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ?
23:32 * asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump
23:33 asciilifeform it has, yes, corp. financials
23:33 pete_dushenski http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/
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23:33 assbot shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )
23:33 BingoBoingo https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143999753415770&w=2 << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday
23:33 assbot 'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwcj0r )
23:33 asciilifeform and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something
23:35 pete_dushenski "First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien
23:35 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: who wrote this ?
23:35 pete_dushenski https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/
23:35 assbot First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj )
23:35 asciilifeform no, not that
23:35 asciilifeform the 'xt trojan' piece
23:35 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite
23:36 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane
23:36 BingoBoingo <assbot> First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme
23:36 assbot https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYwt )
23:36 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/author/mike1337/ << 'goat'
23:36 assbot shitco.in | Author | goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYfT )
23:37 asciilifeform wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ?
23:37 asciilifeform or is there more than one
23:37 pete_dushenski https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ << may be same as this mike ?
23:37 assbot Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkk1s4 )
23:38 asciilifeform at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance
23:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Multiple goats
23:38 pete_dushenski the timelines add up. first post on shitco.in on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015
23:39 asciilifeform will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245011
23:39 assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/
23:47 hanbot asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here:
23:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there.
23:47 asciilifeform glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin
23:47 asciilifeform but all else is a good exposition.
23:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this
23:48 asciilifeform hanbot: hm?
23:48 hanbot "orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct?
23:49 asciilifeform orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry.
23:49 asciilifeform hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs
23:50 asciilifeform hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct.
23:50 pete_dushenski gnite all!
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4}
23:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary
23:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same.
23:51 mircea_popescu good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other.
23:52 asciilifeform skip the parts where he talks, then
23:52 asciilifeform (thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.)
23:53 hanbot asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not?
23:53 asciilifeform anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang.
23:53 mircea_popescu they're taken from other people.
23:53 asciilifeform hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only.
23:53 mircea_popescu the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form.
23:53 mircea_popescu "here's my picture in front of the pyramids"
23:53 mircea_popescu w/.
23:53 mircea_popescu w/e.
23:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes.
23:53 * asciilifeform brb eating food
23:54 mircea_popescu im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't.
23:54 hanbot asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks!
23:59 mircea_popescu re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.
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23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3}
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