#trilema | 2014-07-20

those that have it

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that problem is a lot worse than anyone wants to admit.

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mircea_popescu: well keep la serenissima posted

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there's simply no logical way to reconcile the naive want for "fairness" with the practicality of trade.

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"insider trading" is what trading is. irrespective of what people who don't trade wish to think trading is.

00:02

much like you know, trying to prosecute "buggery" because people who don't have sex don't want to think of sex in terms of "all holes, dp and your girlfriend". as if.

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yeah what is trading without "insider" knowledge? trades based on an account's report and a brochure?

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is there a logical way to reconcile the naive want for "fairness" with -anything-?

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I can't imagine a way to be more ignorant about a business and its prospects

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benkay so far fighting with the obscurity of free and open source software, which is this endless bundle fifty million lines long that nobody ever read, in spite of you know, how "open source" etc.

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decimation now granted, what the indians are doing in the us finance (btw, have you noticed how few 3rd generation americans are involved in anything worth the mention ?) is nothing short of scandalous

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however, the solution is emphatically NOT to try and prosecute them, because this just drives the specific behaviours enshrined in indian culture that cause the mess.

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the solution is to open the whole thing, let the market drive it down to zero, then you won't care someone made fifty bucks or w/e.

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and note that Mr. Bharara is also one of them...

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yeah. it's that whole "italian mobster turned policeman to clean up ny" story all over again

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(which was the same cca 1890, except then it was irish criminal etc)

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in my undergrad it was assumed knowledge that the indians got together to "strategize" on exam-taking

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in India, it would probably be expected for a Brahmin C-suite guy to tell a fellow Brahmin trader what is going on

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mircea_popescu: that nobody ever read // it's p lulzy people still buy that

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what, you mean ?

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see: openssl

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jaspersoft

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puppet

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mircea_popescu: die of "an infection" ? // i prefer the interpretation where the us is always on the verge of horrific viral outbreaks due to decades of antibacterial abuse

00:12

'don't talk politics around the table (so we can just eat)' -> 'don't question the code(so we can just use it)'

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any audiophiles around here? my headphones of 15 years finally bit the dust.

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benkay I think you mean bacterial outbreaks. They are already happening: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/superbug-stalked-nih-hospital-last-year-killing-six/2012/08/22/5be18b1a-ec66-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_story.html

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Superbug stalked NIH hospital last year, killing six - The Washington Post

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micey: buy speakers

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not so good for the office.

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fuck the offic

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or for sleeping babies.

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my sennheiser HD280's studio monitors work very well

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er.. what decimation said

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although i agree with the office. my office neighbors annoy me often enough.

00:16

do you want to attenuate the surrounding noise?

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nah

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i mean, i don't need cancelling. i don't want to hear surrounding noise.

00:16

I find earbuds and the like extremely uncomfroatble, you aren't going to get better quality than bigass headphones

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mike_c imo etymotic earphones rule all.

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hanbot did you get them custom fit

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decimation nope

00:18

are those buds? i'm looking more for over-ear.

00:18

yeah those are earbuds that block sound

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buds, yeah.

00:18

better than any headphone will

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I'm a sennheiser fanboi, but I'm sure there are other quality headphones out there. examine the spec sheet

00:19

i love my m50s

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cazalla: ath m50?

00:19

m50s

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m50 has coiled cable which i don't like, m50s does not

00:20

that just personal preference? my dead ones had coiled and i kinda did like that.

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yeah, makes no difference to audio afaik

00:21

hanbot no, not as such. the traditional way is for the naive to train their submission, as practiced in say india.

00:21

cool. thanks for the suggestions.

00:21

<decimation> 'don't talk politics around the table (so we can just eat)' -> 'don't question the code(so we can just use it)' << ;/

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cause fuck you if you have uncommon needs, right ?

00:22

the whole fucking point of code is to make the world more like salem cca 1700 now ;/

00:22

mike_c mice don't actually attack babies. you're thinking rats.

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lol, what?

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o nm, earphones lol. i misread.

00:23

Vexual got me i swear!

00:23

it's mouses

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now rats to attack office neighbors.. that would be an idea.

00:24

specially-constructed oubliettes with a terminal in the lid and a hole for shit in the bottom. <<< ahaha ok.

00:24

mike_c armored battlerats! with a terminal upside the head!

00:24

my dj1200 are not that comfortable for long but they are hard to kill

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long periods

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definitely need comfort for hours.

00:25

are those insertable or over ear dub?

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http://turntablelab.com/products/technics-rp-dj1200-headphones-black-deadstock

00:26

Technics: RP-DJ1200 Headphones - Black (Deadstock) — TurntableLab.com

00:26

fucking amazon needs to take btc already. i bought some fiverr shit the other day with btc and it was so smooth. kind of changed my opinion on using btc for random purchases.

00:26

good for lugging around

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man the spec sheets for headphones suck

00:28

the ear pad rubber is perishing on mine which is quite astounding considering how briefly every other set I've owned has survive

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d

00:28

my sony mdr's ear pad rubber lasted about 5 years on average

00:28

apparently i'm getting a fucking fever.

00:29

mike_c they dun wanna end up with a bunch of terrorist bux

00:29

kill it with half a bottle of red and go to sleep

00:29

or insider bux

00:29

terrorist bux are as green as everybody elses.

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wait, is that a saying in other countries? your money probably isn't green.

00:30

its usually a mix

00:30

100's are

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murican folding is fucking retarded in that aspect

00:31

every note looks the same

00:31

well and worthless $1 are still bills

00:31

i can't stand bills of different size. such a pain to roll.

00:32

lol

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bitches don't know about mike_c's pimp roll

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it's phat

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mike_c makes it quite impossible to get the wrong change.

00:34

paying attention fixes that problem too

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once you get the bitches you have no attention to spare.

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hehe. that's why i stick with one.

00:35

3rd world money tends to either be shit quality or stay in circulation long enough to wear any markings off

00:35

so basically the equal size bills are anti-slut.

00:35

DOWN WITH AMERICA

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no way. ben lawsky is going to make america the center of btc bizness

00:37

I would like to see the basis of his regulation

00:37

like, how is bitcoin different than plain speech?

00:37

if it isn't different, how is it legal for the government to regulate it, state or federal?

00:38

afik aust was the first to deploy polymer banknotes

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idk.. ever since 9/11 the goverment just regulates whatever the fuck it wants.

00:38

if there's an exception for "game" currencies, how does one demonstrate that bitcoin is demonstrably different than a "game" currency?

00:38

lol more like ever since lincoln

00:38

decimation you don't need basis for regulation.

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that's why regulation is taking over legislation as a normative process.

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fucking giuliani

00:39

decimation anyway, one doesn't "demonstrate". one claims, and prays nobody calls the bluff.

00:39

which is why the 100% conviction-through-plea-bargain system is so important.

00:40

this doesn't work quite as well with companies. Lyft is testing this in NYC by blatantly ignoring all their regulations and fighting the state in court.

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results TBD

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but anyway. the 2012 peg in the eye of the beast has been holding out splendidly well. they're trying to enact this difference between game currencies and bitcoin, and who knows, maybe it'll work. who;s to say that's the last peg trilema go.

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got*

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mike_c it exactly.

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*

dub got some good news today

00:43

won a 17 year olf legal battle

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old*

00:43

nice. congrats.

00:43

bad news is $200k legal bill

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the layers upon layers of outlandish claims fossilize into a hardened mess - nothing can change the status quo - until the whole thing fractures and breaks in a massive earthquake

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ie fragile, not robust or anti-fragile

00:44

dub divorce ?

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Go Around!

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no

00:45

er that was for the fossilized mass, not dubs divorce

00:46

anyway, one of the comparatively more important btc valuations is, "cost incurred by the usg litigating per btc available to defendant".

00:46

definitely more important than derpstamp or w/e. and this is pretty hefty as we sit now.

00:46

cazalla: m50x has detachable cable and you get coiled and straight. everybody wins.

00:47

mircea: the usg tends to maximally claim & minimally deliver

00:48

if bitcoin goes up another one or two orders of magnitude in dollar value, it will be that much worse for the usg to do anything

00:49

mike_c get rabbit fur bads for extra boss

00:50

my sennheisers have detachable cables too, although the oem cable was crap - conductors broke after awhile

00:50

they actually have velvet ones. http://www.amazon.com/ATH-M50-PADS-Velvet-pads-ATH-M50-headphones/dp/B00GTR2ICQ

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Amazon.com: ATH-M50-PADS - One Pair Black Velvet ear pads for ATH-M20x, ATH-M30x, ATH-M40x, ATH-M50, ATH-M50s, ATH-M50RD, ATH-M50WH, ATH-M50x, ATH-M50xBL, ATH-M50xWH: Electronics

00:51

according to their spec sheet, the ath m50's only go down to 15 hz, the sennehiser hd280's go down to 8 Hz

00:51

that's going to be more audible than whatever the top frequency in the ultrasonic band is

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hm. ath has lower impedance.

00:52

human hearing being a logrithmically spaced filter bank and all

00:52

impedance is a matter of what you are connecting with

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yeah. won't matter for computer.

00:53

could matter for phone?

00:53

probably not.

00:53

my guess is no

00:53

impedance actually varies with frequency, which no one gives a spec for

00:54

in a basic sense, impedance mismatch will just lower the effective power delivered to the headphones

00:54

so turn them up, etc

00:54

right, phone can only deliver so much though. but probably enough for either.

00:55

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4388969?start=195&tstart=0

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iPhone 5 headphone volume too low | Apple Support Communities

00:55

"The issue as I understand it is that the output impedance of the iPhone 5 is around 3.7 ohms whereas the older phones and iPods are around 5.5 ohms. What is not clear is whether this has been changed by software or by hardware. There are reports that this is an issue in the EU region only. Yet some folk in the USA are also complaining."

00:55

so either headphone is going to have an impedance mismatch

00:55

because apple has neither the room on their board or the inclination to deliver studio quality audio

00:57

if you think about it, headphones that block surrounding audio will increase the effective signal/noise ratio delivered to your ears

00:58

decisions..

00:58

just buy the 50s you wally

00:58

I suspect the average listening would be unable to differentiate most of these headphones in a blind test

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s/listening/listener

00:59

get the velvet, and if you get too stoned you can hide in the curtains

00:59

yeah.. sennheiser doesn't have velvet.

01:00

if you are going to use them for 8 hours per day in the office, comfort is probably more important than audio quality

01:00

it is, but that is difficult to know before trying for 8 hours

01:01

indeed, I guess the solution is buy one and sell it on craigslist if it sucks

01:01

for $120 try a fresh set

01:01

yes. or return it.

01:01

the solution is dont work in an office

01:02

i like working in an office. fewer distractions.

01:02

I find comfortable headphones with classical music encourage focus

01:03

i find the same with electronic music. di.fm ftw.

01:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFVdTw4PwE0

01:04

boombox with gangster rap tbh

01:04

whatever works

01:05

ghetto blaster is best

01:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQM1-NSVGjg

01:17

heh, famous actor lives across road, pulling into my drive earlier I see another actor getting a box of beer out of his car and going inside

01:18

they're now playing what looks like GTA5 on his huge ass tv

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KL9mRus19o

01:19

lets go around with a bottle of glen fiddich

01:21

pitch mp's idea, wich is way better than his last

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mike_c, didn't know they had an m50x, i still think i'd go the m50s due to no coil and i would likely lose the cable if i could detach it anyway

01:23

fresh out of glenfiddich but I'm now sipping a glenrothes, good suggestion

01:24

Vexual, i think aus was first, i still have some of the first abo polymer notes around somewhere

01:25

cazalla: m50s is cheaper too, just b/c it isn't 'current year model'. sound is supposed to be the same.

01:25

you can get the m50s for around $100 on special sometimes

01:26

d'you keep your rabbit skins cazalla?

01:27

no but i should

01:28

mike_c, only thing i dislike about m50s is the soundstage is a little too small for fps gaming, i switch to my speakers when gaming but they aren't gaming headphones to begin with so isn't a big issue

01:29

yeah, not a problem for me

01:30

ok, i'm off to buy something and hit the sack. thanks for the help.

01:31

beats by dre:buy

01:32

Vexual, kill yourself

01:32

i was joking about what mike hunt bought dick nob

01:34

beats give you +10 swag, that's about it

01:37

hey Vexual, you know the aussie victims of the MH17 crash, my old primary school teacher was on it

01:38

yes i heard that

01:38

was it some year 4 hex?

01:39

well, he made me write lines

01:39

had to do em again as taping 2 pencils together to write 2x was too obvious

01:41

dunno if being asploded was warranted punishment for him though

01:41

yeah its harsh

01:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y6ihWvymwg

01:42

not my cup of tea

01:43

sams or the music?

01:43

music

01:43

im not a big fan of sams

01:45

commericail airlines flew over iraq and afghanistan for the last 10 years, this might be a proper war

01:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WLYzA0lCs

01:51

multipass

01:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg

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<decimation> benkay I think you mean bacterial outbreaks. They are already happening: // yup. been drinking all day.

02:03

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=667460.msg7930421#msg7930421

02:03

Phinnaeus Gage aka ~Bruno Kucinskas - DEBT PAID 7/19/2014

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ben10: 2 beers?

02:05

uh

02:05

gosh lost count boss

02:05

yep. 2

02:06

dou so digital it hurts

02:07

Vexual: pm

02:08

aight maybe 12

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a few yeah

02:09

it happens

02:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2NJ3dXpeY

~ 18 minutes ~

02:40

;;ud having a lend

02:40

http://fr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=having%20a%20lend | An Australian term meaning to be lying to a person for one's own amusement. " He said she had an STI" "He's only having a lend of you". de ZStardust 13 février ...

02:41

!s infinite number of arms

02:41

1 results for 'infinite number of arms' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=infinite+number+of+arms

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02:58

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/

02:58

Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:00

d'you pay .15 for 3 tits?

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lol

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i dtill think a cell phne cam is an excellent source of entropy

03:03

but, poison is the thing more than reverse anything

03:03

there's no free entropy lunch.

03:04

excellent aritlce

03:06

glad you liked it.

03:11

i might even understand it tomorrow; this water is giving me heartburn

03:12

no i think i get it

03:16

!up ceger

03:17

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03:21

penguirker

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/

03:22

yes, good article

03:23

next time i see someone reading from bones or coffee stain imma pester them whether they have tested past output for enough entropy

03:24

entropy is irrelevantr oto these soothsaysers

03:24

ask em something else

03:24

i daresay otherwise

03:24

they certainly seem to need some randomness source

03:24

say away dear lamb

03:25

without it, their output could be too predictable

03:25

what would expose them to potential problem

03:29

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jurov imagines soothsayer's ad "We use FIPS-compliant oracles"

03:36

mircea_popescu: you've seen Total Recall, no?

03:37

dies the new one have 3 titites?

03:37

yes

03:38

personally I prefer the old one, but at least they kept that bit in for continuity :-P

03:38

will watch

03:38

fluffypony the one film schwarzy made that was trying to not be hack and slash ?

03:39

jurov generally their whole claim is butressed on such past history.

03:39

mircea_popescu: yes, otherwise known as "that movie that came out when I was 8 or 9 years old that I wasn't allowed to watch because it had a chick with 3 tits in it"

03:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 76 @ 0.012999 = 0.9879 BTC [+]

03:40

but that I watched a couple of years later anyway when one of my school friends got it on VHS

03:40

which is why the warning came to be on financial products, that "past performance is no indication of future success". the fortune teller makes two spurious claims, one that his arbitrariety is systematic, the other that he has a good historical record.

03:40

the latter is easier to disprove, but the former easily sticks with people, who then form the spurious belief that everything is systematic

03:40

hence conspiracy theorists, forum investors etc.

03:40

fluffypony i was allowed to watch it.

03:40

being a yurpean rocks i guess.

03:41

yeah buy you wer like 14

03:41

you woulda been mean then

03:41

my parents let me watch all measure of stuff, but Total Recall was bad because they didn't want an 8 year old believing that girls had 3 boobs

03:41

i was allowed to watch pasolini's fucking decameron

03:45

most 8 year olds prolly have livelank now

03:45

anyway, the baby-in-belly was the more disturbing part i thought

03:46

tru dat

03:46

is he in the new one ?

03:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oMQ4ZFdH5c

03:51

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04:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5KlZNh1WA

04:10

!up ceger

04:23

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04:25

http://i.imgur.com/omUhB6F.png

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naf5uJYGoiU

04:27

more cowbell

04:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDYfoRYcqQ

04:31

fluffypony, your iris dna assay is in, you're 5% negroif

04:32

you are also 20% gold

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lol

04:33

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BenfordsLaw.html random link of the day

04:33

Benford's Law -- from Wolfram MathWorld

04:34

in a randomly selected lit of numbers, 30% will start with 1.

04:34

it's close to 50% if you take atomic weights

04:35

!up ChesterMolester

04:35

lold

04:35

sup mircea

04:35

Come visit USA, we’ll go for pizza ;)

04:37

I think he's on the no fly list

04:37

lold

04:37

NICE TRY SEC SPY

04:39

baloney!

04:40

ChesterMolester who're you again ?

04:40

Hasbro / JoshG

04:40

I came for the woman and stayed for the coin

04:40

lol mkay.

04:41

anyway, had enough us for a decade or two.

04:41

maybe i visit after the fall. play fallout in new reno irl or some4thing.

04:41

Josh Groban?

04:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8

04:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZzNToI1tE

04:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5IhZod5Dso

~ 25 minutes ~

05:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXNPI-IPPM too soon?

05:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8feWhVfj1Y

05:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh44QPT1mPE

05:56

tres cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPs7knvs7M

05:56

Real Life Holodeck with an Oculus Rift - Computerphile - YouTube

05:58

are you getting one?

05:59

an Oculus Rift, or the entire research lab they have?

05:59

:-P

06:00

Hi world.

06:01

morning xmj

06:02

a rift or 2

06:02

Vexual: yes definitely, hopefully when it's finally released they'll have the motion sickness stuff fixed etc.

06:03

the redirected walking stuff is amazing

06:03

AMAZING COMPANY!

06:03

when will oculus move its Rift to Google Glass dimensions (ie tiny) ?

06:06

Valve is working on a display that can fit in tiny dimensions - it beams the image straight on to your eyes

06:06

so it doesn't need big LCD screens

06:07

does chinny get seasick?

06:09

interesting

06:10

is valve still scheduled to release a steambox that'll eventually make 2014/2015/whenever they release it/ the year of linux on the "desktop" ? :)

06:11

WORD

06:11

buy a few devkits and leave that dog fuck voin alone

06:11

you'll make mor emoney

06:11

wwwwhat?

06:12

Vexual: no not at all, but I would imagine I'll use it with friends who may get motion sickness

06:13

administer weed

06:13

motion sickness instafix

06:13

yeah weed

06:14

still not legal here :|

06:14

quaint

06:14

tell the judge its for virtual reality

06:15

motion sickness ===> medical purposes

06:15

mel de mere

06:16

take a unit into court and a fat bifter

06:17

;;ud bifter

06:17

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bifter | Bifter. A slang term given to the lumps of rock found on ski slopes that need to be "De-Bifterd" in order to remove them. "Watch out James, there's a bifter on the ...

06:25

benkay: never again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FH-q0I1fJY

06:34

fluffy are you making aircool racks to datatabk specs?

06:35

r3box?

06:36

not to spec, just standard 19" size

06:36

but smaller than a standard rack since it doesn't need all the extra fluff on the sides and back

06:38

if datatank get sucessuful they will be dumping hardware onto hobbyists on a regular basis

06:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdsTUfDTEhQ

~ 30 minutes ~

07:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.171 = 1.71 BTC [-] {4}

07:26

mmm cutlets

~ 23 minutes ~

07:49

gee le happy merchant meme gets /r/bitcoin up in arms

~ 30 minutes ~

08:20

!mpexstatus

08:20

$mpexstatus

08:20

empyex

FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)

08:30

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/18/this-bacteria-eats-nothing-but-electricity-to-survive/

08:30

This bacteria eats nothing but electricity to survive

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08:56

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09:10

<+cazalla> i love my m50s /// mike_c those are the best in that price range imo

09:14

mike_c for even more value for the price, and less heavy: http://www.amazon.com/JVC-Head-band-Headphones-HA-S500-Z-Gunmetallic/dp/B008FWB9XW these won't block outside noise as much though

09:14

Amazon.com: JVC Victor Head-band Portable Headphones | HA-S500-Z Gunmetallic (Japanese Import): Electronics

09:15

mike_c dont get the velvet m50 pads!

09:16

the headphones really weren't designed for the velvet pads and the sound becomes obviously worse to any ear

09:18

I use the JVCs for going on walks and such, and the ATs for making music and while flying

09:18

I have more expensive ones and i dont really like them as much

~ 21 minutes ~

09:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2679 @ 0.00290035 = 7.77 BTC [+] {8}

09:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 290 @ 0.00291924 = 0.8466 BTC [+] {3}

09:53

coindesk is teaching TA now? http://www.coindesk.com/trend-spotting-identify-trends-bitcoin-price-charts/

09:53

Trend Spotting: How to Identify Trends in Bitcoin Price Charts

09:57

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2b6edt/btc_guild_has_posted_the_following_notice_in/

09:57

BTC Guild has posted the following notice in reaction to NYDFS proposal : Bitcoin

09:58

"Since there is no way anybody will mine on a pool with those requirements, it means that any pool in the US will be forced to shut down, or operate illegally and hope they're ignored."

10:11

dude what the fuck is even going on? All bitcoin companies are gonna vacate the US

10:14

;;search bitlicense

10:14

There were no matching configuration variables.

10:22

http://www.coindesk.com/9-biggest-screwups-bitcoin-history/

10:22

The 9 Biggest Screwups in Bitcoin History

10:22

!search bitlicense

10:22

7 results for 'bitlicense' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitlicense

10:24

ugh, I guess I'm moving to France.

10:25

lol

10:26

http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

10:26

The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

~ 31 minutes ~

10:57

hi

11:06

re: headphones << can't decide which i like more. 'qc20i' or firing range earplugs.

11:06

qc20i works slightly better, and ear gets less tired, but it did cost ~250x more.

11:06

*

asciilifeform uses headphones mainly to 'turn off hearing' to improve concentration.

11:06

*

nubbins` was about to ask

11:07

muffs would be the ideal solution

11:07

airport workers use -90dB ones

11:07

muffs >> ick. pressure, sweat.

11:07

*

nubbins` nods

11:07

true

11:08

there's also these earplugs that some drummers use, they mold to fit your outer ear like an old-school hearing aid

11:08

*

asciilifeform owns these muffs, can't even picture trying to think in them

11:08

although they're more geared towards muting w/ a flat frequency curve than blocking out all sound

11:08

nubbins`: had those as a student. also pressure.

11:08

ah

11:09

pascale uses the standard orange squeezey ~30dB ones

11:09

not great for your canals

11:09

you ever try white/pink noise?

11:10

nubbins`: as a matter of fact, i'm surrounded by it (fans.) it's precisely what i'm trying to be rid of.

11:10

ah, heh.

11:11

standalone (speakers rather than earphones) noise cancellation system?

11:11

iirc some high-end car manufacturer did this with the sound system

11:11

http://imgur.com/cGbQfBd

11:11

imgur: the simple image sharer

11:11

nubbins`: this only works (for some modest value of 'work') in a car

11:12

where the noise is something like a point source, plenty of soft fabric to cancel echos, etc.

11:12

i suppose individual room configurations would make it tough to pull off in a general sense

11:13

you could always build a soundproof room and put the fans outside it

11:13

with infinite money, sure.

11:13

not prohibitively expensive. musicians do it all the time

11:14

i have a friend who can play drums in his bedroom with the door closed and you can barely make out the beat

11:15

starting point: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul00/articles/faqacoustic.htm

11:15

Soundproofing & Acoustic Treatment

11:16

nubbins`: we also have climate here. without forced air cooling, machines will die (of humidity) even before the owner succumbs.

11:16

so one would also need to come up with a silent air conditioner.

11:16

dem conflicting requirements

11:19

we have climate of a different sort here, to the point where i can't recall ever seeing an air conditioning unit in a private home. at the risk of asking a silly question, could one have the unit outside the room and vent the cool air in?

11:19

(isn't this roughly what an air exchanger does?)

11:20

nubbins`: this is SOP here. air conditioner for whole house. compressor and its hot coil are outdoors, heat exchanger and gigantic fan inside.

11:20

air is ducted to each room

11:20

right, yeah, sounds familiar

11:21

and it's the actual noise of the air being ducted in that you're trying to eliminate?

11:21

(the very shoddiest dwellings still have window air conditioners)

11:21

$500k home here *might* have an air conditioner :D

11:21

nubbins`: i would, in principle, care, if it were possible to eliminate all other fan noise

11:23

nubbins`: i've thought about building something like the 'cockpits' flight simulator players are fond of. chair with display in a 'canopy.' but it would need its own cooling setup...

11:24

nod

11:24

liquid cooling system built into chair ;D

11:26

the hot air one exhales still has to go somewhere.

11:27

i don't really see all of this as adding up to a solvable engineering problem, but catch myself thinking about it now and then anyway.

11:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01384796 = 0.8309 BTC [-] {9}

11:32

* asciilifeform uses headphones mainly to 'turn off hearing' to improve concentration. < you wear those cause model m, admit it!

11:33

kakobrekla: actually i never had any problems with one-off noise (e.g. keys). because when i'm thinking i scarcely touch the keys.

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 140 @ 0.01306014 = 1.8284 BTC [-] {7}

11:36

aha

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 817 @ 0.00299998 = 2.451 BTC [+] {3}

11:40

mircea_popescu: '...died from an infection in 2010... << the rate at which these people die of preventable causes is ridiculous' << quite likely, that fellow really died of - sleep deprivation. compromised immune system. and yes, one wouldn't expect an actual 'master of the universe' to succumb to sleep deprivation. senior bureaucrats, on the other hand - sure.

11:46

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/ << 'random-looking number' is reminiscent of the 'miasma theory' of disease causation. in fact, much of what presently passes for 'seekoority' is quite like miasma epidemiology. crock of shit, resulting not only from inability, but from unwillingness to to even contemplate cause-effect.

11:46

Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01281244 = 0.8456 BTC [-] {6}

11:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 280 @ 0.003 = 0.84 BTC [+] {2}

11:54

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 64 @ 0.01250032 = 0.8 BTC [-] {8}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79153408 BTC to 12`352 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 25.04673864 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2178 satoshi per share

12:09

so, FACTA has an impact on my european union bank

12:09

even if i don't deal with US through it.

12:09

wtf?

12:16

!s greenhouse

12:16

4 results for 'greenhouse' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=greenhouse

12:16

http://www.vice.com/read/greenhouse-app-hannah-ewens-nick-rubin-201?utm_source=vicefbus

12:16

This Kid Made an App That Exposes Sellout Politicians | VICE United States

12:16

my sides

12:17

(clickbait headline but amusing nonetheless)

12:23

fluffypony: are you aware of anyone pushing Cloud as a Service?

12:25

Rackspace is, I think

12:25

oh, i mean the four-letter-marketing-combination

12:26

AWS/Rackspace/etc do the whole CaaS thing anyway

12:26

ah ok, no not offhand

12:27

I want to see how far you can push verbal boundaries into bulshytt territory. think Virtual Cloud, Virtual Enterprise Cloud Management, blabla

12:27

*

xmj chuckles

~ 15 minutes ~

12:42

Virtual Cloud Enterprise Single-Sign On Management as a Service

12:42

VCESSOMaaS

12:42

I love that.

12:43

this will do for 300th tweet. thank you fluffypony

12:44

fluffypony: https://twitter.com/xmjEE/status/490899909839966208

12:44

lol

12:48

the profile page on twitter

12:48

is that your wife?

12:54

!up Basquiat_

12:56

pankkake https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2014/07/libressl-is-taking-a-beating-and-that-s-good << all i see is more of the same, "fucktards are butthurt, how dares anyone upset the statu quo"

12:56

LibreSSL is taking a beating, and that's good | Flameeyes's Weblog

12:57

'ubuntu: turns out is actually windows vista with a few custom themes.'

12:57

i have no idea who fucking asked amazon fanboi there to pass his judgement on de raadt, but i can state for teh records it wasn't me.

12:58

anyone here knows de raadt in person?

12:59

linked from above - the old, familiar http://www.entropykey.co.uk << still sold out, no date for next shipment (1 year + now!)

12:59

Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator

13:00

how about never.

13:00

kakobrekla: i suppose they keep the site up, for old time's sake

13:00

the better news here is that while i tried to sleep my cold off people actually got to the bottom of the whole gpg snag. hallelujah.

13:04

any guesses why they stopped making them?

13:04

;;calc .25 * 400

13:04

100

13:07

not enough dough in it ?

13:07

kakobrekla: why they stopped making them << ft meade's shipments of diddled ARM micros held up. budget blown on coke.

13:13

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-how-to-use-social-media-to-control-people-like-drones/

13:13

Air Force research: How to use social media to control people like drones | Ars Technica

13:20

fluffypony: ping

13:20

oh sorry missed that

13:20

yes it is

13:21

I see.

13:21

fluffypony: awesome :)

13:22

:)

13:23

chetty gotta love how the sm people keep pumping out more articles about how essential sm is.

13:23

it'd read "cern laboratory using social media to collide large hadrons" if the movie of the week were about the cern

13:27

speaking of which, dear intelligent people stuck on reddit&co - this is you : http://trilema.com/2014/i-wasnt-going-to-actually-post-this-but/

13:27

I wasn’t going to actually post this, but… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:27

you've bought into the entire sm swag just like other generations have bought in the shit offered for their consumption. guess what : the fact that you all get it only hides the fact that it's shit from you yourselves,

13:28

not from anyone else. and it doesn't even do such a good job of hiding it from you yourselves on a long enough timeline.

13:28

it's still shit, in the manner the local fair in lexington, kentucky, even if called "the flaming man", is still a very poor approximation of the actual burning man.

13:29

social media seems to do a really good job of killing social

13:29

and even if parents would much prefer their 17 yo rebelious teenager goes to the flaming man instead of the burning man, and even if they give the car with a full tank of gasoline and two small bottles of ginger ale for the former and punish the latter,

13:29

fucking lexington is still a joke, and you're going to be a joke for going there. not just in my eyes, which whatever, who cares, but in your own 60yo eyes. and that burns.

13:30

/done ranting.

13:34

social media, fucking chewing gum. what is it ? it's not social, nor is it media. it's not a food, not a liquid, basically a stationery bike for you jaw.

13:36

seems more like a cattle prod

13:40

feliz dia del amigo

13:41

o wow that exists ?

13:42

is it the day of the married man's secret homosexual friend ? like "jour de la chere amie" would be in france ?

13:49

;;ud having a lend

13:49

http://fr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=having%20a%20lend | An Australian term meaning to be lying to a person for one's own amusement. " He said she had an STI" "He's only having a lend of you". de ZStardust 13 février ...

13:49

;;later tell vexual no lend, but doubtful that it'd be serial.

13:49

The operation succeeded.

13:57

<mircea_popescu> maybe i visit after the fall. play fallout in new reno irl or some4thing. // empire collapse when

13:57

seems to be a sort of generic friends day, can't walk down street without hearing it today

13:58

these people can make a feast out of anything.

13:59

samba si! trabajo no!

13:59

my kind of country i tell you

13:59

lol

14:02

<fluffypony> an Oculus Rift, or the entire research lab they have? // i can't wait for the full-wraparound displays with lots and lots of pixels

14:02

no more monitors, headsets only

14:04

<thestringpuller> ugh, I guess I'm moving to France. // oh ffs really?

14:07

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-exchange-okcoin-launch-usd-deposits-withdrawals/

14:07

Chinese Exchange OKCoin Launches USD Deposits and Withdrawals

14:08

The company does not plan to register for money transmission licenses in the US immediately

14:17

i thot china made btc illegal.

14:26

Oglafbot

http://oglaf.com/enlist/

14:26

Enlist!

14:29

all these people derping about "quantum-computing-strong hashes" and whatnot are starting to get on my motherfucking nerves. yo idiots! are you aware that every rng out there actually uses some sort of quantum noise ? WHAT THE FUCK ARE HASHES GOING TO DO WHEN I KNOW ALL THE SEEDS!

14:34

mircea_popescu: to be fair, the machine (as described originally by r. feynman) doesn't divine history a la asimov's 'chronoscope', but merely computes certain classes of function unusually cheaply.

14:35

and you know this how ?

14:35

the rules as they are preclude its existence. that may not mean it can't exist,

14:35

but it does mean that IF it were to exist, we can't say anything about what it can't do./

14:35

http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/

14:35

Open-Minded Man Grimly Realizes How Much Life He's Wasted Listening To Bullshit | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

14:35

quantum = magic (at least vocabulary wise)

14:35

let's put it slightly differently. if it's also a chronoscope, this cannot be readily inferred from feynman's hypothetical.

14:36

but feynman's hypothetical is not wholly self-contained.

14:36

if it were, we could build it.

14:36

so, i can argue that yes, it is just as readily inferred as anything else.

14:36

i sorta get the flavour here. perpetuum mobile, were it build, could perhaps also cure baldness.

14:36

why not ?

14:37

the day false evaluates to true, you're nine feet tall

14:37

should you wish to be.

14:37

simply because 5 is the new 9.

14:37

(setq #f #t) << actually evaluated this in a 'lisp' i wrote as a schoolboy. mega-lol.

14:38

moreover, you trying to sell my king a device to harden the fortress against perpetuum mobile which relies on the 1st law of thermo will get me to advise him to hang you.

14:38

because srsly.

14:38

later found that in the original fortran, one could assign... to a constant.

14:38

yup, the old story of 4.

14:38

BitPay doubles down on marketing to Joe Six Pack http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/20/bitcoin-symbol-appear-bobby-dodd-stadium/

14:38

Bitcoin Symbol to Appear on Bobby Dodd Stadium - Coin Fire

14:38

BingoBoingo where's that one ?

14:39

it's a good job that f-students can't actually break mathematics.

14:39

srsly.

14:39

mircea_popescu: That one's some regional school. Probably sponsored because it is close not BitPay's Atlanta HQ.

14:39

this is the package maintainer's path to divinity : prevent all the f-students, masquerading as women-interest, "general public" interest etfuckingc from breaking math.

14:40

BingoBoingo this is starting to look so much like classic doctom bubble burnage...

14:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.17100833 = 1.026 BTC [+] {2}

14:41

mircea_popescu: For sure. With one of these discovering how much was spent will be a hard problem unless they just let the number slip.

14:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.16494445 = 1.4845 BTC [-] {4}

14:42

thanks to all the inflation, they're safe : they didn't have that much to spend anyway. i doubt anything under 1bn even registers anymore, especially after the great successes of govt contractors in the mideast.

14:43

Also not there aren't very many "Halliburton Stadiums" because the contractors that abide know lean years are possible

14:44

more like, because hb count'd give less of a shit.

14:44

it's a mpex sort of corp, not a hot topic sort of corp.

14:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5002 @ 0.00309973 = 15.5048 BTC [+] {8}

14:45

Right, or an AT&T or another sophisticated herder of consumer cattle

14:45

Also guide to ripping on Jews as a good libertard http://this-is-not-jewish.tumblr.com/post/34344324495/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic

14:45

This Is Not Jewish (How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic)

14:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00309966 = 0.9299 BTC [-] {2}

14:49

mircea_popescu: http://youtu.be/rR56uNg2XQs?t=2m43s << finally found the ancient cartoon with the schooltard who zaps all of history so he doesn't have to pass exam.

14:49

( 2) () - YouTube

14:50

I wouldn’t describe GT as a “regional school”: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/subject-ranking/subject/engineering-and-IT

14:50

Top 50 engineering & technology universities - Times Higher Education

14:54

Pierre_Rochard: It seems that list strengthens the case of it as a regional school when it comes to Athletics.

14:56

Eh, they are in NCAA Division I.

14:56

asciilifeform omfg, it's got BEK! pankkake you sly dog.

14:56

BingoBoingo: here’s what “regional” generally means: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2013/09/09/frequently-asked-questions-2014-best-colleges-rankings#11

14:56

Frequently Asked Questions: 2014 Best Colleges Rankings - US News

14:57

mircea_popescu: bek ?

14:57

Pierre_Rochard so basically it's the georgia tech stadium ?

14:57

asciilifeform bek! 2:48

14:57

mircea_popescu: yup, seats 55k http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Dodd_Stadium_at_Historic_Grant_Field

14:57

Bobby Dodd Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:57

aha.

14:58

Rather small for a college football stadium

14:58

'век' == 'century'

14:58

BingoBoingo: agreed, my alma mater seated 100k.

14:58

seats*

15:00

asciilifeform shhh :p

15:00

Pierre_Rochard: Regionalness is an attribute that can feature differently on Aspects of a University. Consider a school in the opposite situation, Texas Tech. National University in athletics and very regional school academically.

15:01

http://this-is-not-jewish.tumblr.com/post/34344324495/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic <<< ahahah, "don't use what happens to be the largest, oldest and generally speaking most important european meme, because it may butthurt jooz"

15:01

This Is Not Jewish (How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic)

15:01

this is the most preposterous shit i ever read. hey, fifty million jewish people ? about a billion people happen to not give a shit. this is how it should be.

15:02

BingoBoingo: agreed

15:02

ima end up persecuting fucking jews as the initiators of this "vocal minority trying to opress majority" meme.

15:02

BingoBoingo: I guess we’re just using different definitions of “regional”, the one that’s “bachelor + master” is more commonly used

15:03

Pierre_Rochard i originally thought it's a highschool/municipal sort of stadium for some reason.

15:04

"Dont call Jews you agree with the good Jews. Imposing your values on another group is not okay. Tokenizing is not okay. Appointing yourself the judge of what other groups can or should believe is not okay." << omfg. this is about as offensive as it gets.

15:04

So I have this cat I just adopted. He's always following me around and tend to lay down at my feet. Won't let me sleep, walking on me and trying to get under the sheets. So I close the door to the bedroom. Then shortly later, I hear the cat and look. He's inside the room playing. I think wtf, must have slipt back in while I was closing the door. I go put him out, close the door, go back

15:04

to bed. Noises in the room. I look, he's back in the room.

15:04

appointing yourself the judge of all fucking creation is the point of life.

15:04

Pierre_Rochard: There's a lot of small shit schools getting on the doctoral train trying to escape their regional labels, so it is best not to use bachelor+masters as a measure. That and there are Bachelors (sometimes + masters) schools that are better candidates for escaping regionalness than some shitholes like Ohio State.

15:04

Namworld got a hole in your roof ?

15:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 796 @ 0.00309999 = 2.4676 BTC [-] {2}

15:05

BingoBoingo: I agree, “national research university” has gotten diluted.

15:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU6RpNugTfg

15:05

(At the Back Desk) episode 2, English subs - YouTube

15:05

^ english subs

15:05

for aficionados

15:05

Basement appartment.

15:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 173 @ 0.0031539 = 0.5456 BTC [+] {2}

15:06

"Dont depict the Magen David (Star of David) as an equivalent to the Nazi swastika. The Magen David represents all Jewsnot just Israelis, not just people who are violent against Palestinians, ALL JEWS. When you do this, you are painting all Jews as violent, genocidal racists. DONT." << and for that matter, the swastika represented all germans, not just the ones involved in homicide.

15:06

so you know... stop misrepresenting the swastika as something bad just to serve your need to scapegoat imagery.

15:06

So I wonder what kind of sorcery this is. Then I notice a service panel to pipes slightly opened. That fucker was opening the cabinet under the sink, crawled into the walls with the pipes and made it's way to the room.

15:07

Namworld ahahah i think that's a keeper :)

15:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 225 @ 0.00315393 = 0.7096 BTC [+]

15:08

Well definitly. That cat would chew a door to get to me. Can hear it scratching doors to follow me. That plus always laying at my feet. It's more like a dog.

15:09

so treat it well and be happy.

15:09

maybe one day a woman does the same.

15:17

All I need now is to find it a name, eh.

15:24

you could call it brock.

15:24

on the strength of the similarity in behaviour.

15:24

Lol sneaking into bedrooms

15:24

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SSCNR5.txt )

15:24

!b 3

15:25

Who?

15:26

The FOundation guy

15:26

sounds like the ideal cat. deserves a respectable name.

15:28

OMG BUllet point #2 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtAmSI5CQAA4AY7.jpg

15:29

decentralized key generation ?

15:29

what's this, a way to reduce key entropy to breakable levels ?

15:30

mircea_popescu: probably some crackpot m-of-n scheme again

15:35

"have a 4096 rsa key made out of 8 parts! it may not be as strong as the proper key, but that's good : if you forget your passphrase you can break the key and retreive your stuff!"

15:35

lol

15:36

"also only terrorists would do this unauthorisedly."

15:36

"and it's illegal to not let us do illegal shit when we want to anyway, so."

15:38

;;calc 4096/8

15:38

512

15:38

BingoBoingo: this isn't how it works.

15:39

BingoBoingo: if you know ~1 in 4 bits, you can trivially break.

15:41

asciilifeform well, it COULD be designed as a concatenation somehow, thus actually retaining 500ish bits. maybe.

15:41

asciilifeform: It's hard to predict derpitecture

15:41

mircea_popescu: there are published recipes for this. see 'multi-party computation' literature.

15:42

yeah just dun know how far i'd trust it.

15:42

but there is virtually never any good reason to attempt it.

15:43

for one thing, in most cases a plaintext exists, and who can know where and in how many copies.

15:46

http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2014/06/memory-management-in-c-and-auto.html?showComment=1404216537390#c910627546852979802

15:46

Insane Coding: Memory management in C and auto allocating sprintf() - asprintf()

15:48

!up Duffer1

15:49

I was thinking about the "poisoned soup" model of determining the "randomness" of some numbers

15:49

it seems to me that if you had an infinitely large pot, you could tell whether the numbers were random or not

15:49

any source of finite entropy would eventually exhaust

15:49

decimation: if you had an infinitely large pot, you could tip it over and drown the enemy.

15:50

heh yeah my point is of academic interest only

15:50

"The U.S. government is rapidly expanding the number of names it accepts for inclusion on its terrorist watch list, with more than 1.5 million added in the last five years, according to numbers divulged by the government in a civil lawsuit."

15:50

although, the first practical test of any source of random numbers is to get a large quantity of them and see if there are any repeats

15:50

decimation: the real lesson (which always seemed rather obvious to me, but what the hell) is that the numbers are uninteresting except in so far as they shed light on the mechanics of the source

15:51

indeed, and some of source must shine through with a mechanical generator

15:55

re: headphone "muffs": I used these sometimes in the office: http://support.radioshack.com/support_electronics/doc67/67054.htm (330-1198)

15:55

Racing Scanners: Frequently Asked Questions and Listening Tips

15:55

but after about 3 hours it feels like you have your head in a vise

15:55

<Oglafbot> http://oglaf.com/enlist/ // WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

15:55

Enlist!

15:56

benkay: Twas I. It is a manual bot.

15:56

hahaha excellent

15:57

Oglafbot

Hello benkay

15:58

i don't watch nicks/joins/parts

15:58

i've not customized this irc client to both show those things but not display notifications for them

15:58

benkay: For a thing that updates weekly it seems the optimum haw to handle feed generation

15:58

what proxy bot do you guys use generally?

15:59

curse of emacs - it can behave any way you want it to, provided you put the time in to make it so.

15:59

decimation: emacs running on a vps, mosh for flaky mobile connections

16:00

interesting, you use ERC to host proxy?

16:02

so it turns out that ssh specifies ports with -p, but scp specifies ports with -P and -p is something else entirely.

16:02

that's half an hour i'm never getting back.

16:03

!up sheldonthomas

16:03

just swinging by wondering why mpex.co is down

16:03

or is it just some tacit geoip blocking

16:03

sheldonthomas you can start here http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-status-update/

16:03

MPEx status update pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:03

the owner was arrested and deported to Argentina

16:04

sheesh you can’t be serious

16:04

I believe they're about to start waterboarding him

16:04

the Argentinians are rough

16:04

fluffypony teaboarding actually.

16:04

werd

16:04

im so fucking full of camomille i could burst.

16:04

yeah I've been hit by that ssh/scp thing many times, enraging

16:04

decimation just... why the fuck you know ? WHY!11

16:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00300504 = 3.005 BTC [-] {5}

16:05

turn the screwdriver clockwise screw turns, turn it counterclockwise and it explodes

16:05

<decimation> any source of finite entropy would eventually exhaust << this breaks physics.

16:05

one of the core (if unknown) principles underscoring all creation is that the qty of entropy in a system remains the same if it's cut in half.

16:05

it may not be as accessible now, but it's there.

16:06

this is fundamentally why reductive (and most not-so-reductive) physicalism does not work.

16:06

and about as close as one can get to physically proving divinity.

16:06

indeed, it makes determinism persuasive

16:07

no, the contrary. in the quest to make determinism infeasible, it requires some sort of entropy reservoir outside-the-world.

16:07

basically god is just this very large dice assemblage in non-space, feeding all the quarks dicerolls.

16:07

six drives are bricked huh

16:07

sheldonthomas anyway, that was then. meanwhile a lot of progress'been made (notices of which scattered all over the log), and we're coming out of da woods.

16:07

!s mpex

16:07

24646 results for 'mpex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mpex

16:08

what’s to be expected when you finish the migration? everything back in place, accounts and the like?

16:08

http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/20/will-regulations-shutdown-pools/

16:08

Will Regulations Shutdown Pools? - Coin Fire

16:08

sheldonthomas yes.

16:09

new mpex key, but otherwise nothing much.

16:11

I guess I was picturing "determinism" as "God sets the outcome of the quark-dicerolls in the way He sees fit"

16:11

disappointing, albeit understandable

16:11

<thickasthieves> "The U.S. government is rapidly expanding the number of names it accepts for inclusion on its terrorist watch list, with more than 1.5 million added in the last five years, according to numbers divulged by the government in a civil lawsuit." << hey asciilifeform look at that! what was gulag, 50mn ?

16:12

sheldonthomas what's disappointing you mean ?

16:12

decimation a ok, then yes, pure determinism.

16:12

this downtime

16:13

obviously if one applied the same standards to quarks as it does to bitcoins, one could never trust the fucking quark. obviously quark-nsa is behind it.

16:13

sheldonthomas ah. yes.

16:13

i have this impression your name's familiar, any idea whence ?

16:15

not really. i occasionally linger on assets. maybe we met back at the bruce wager bitcoin conference. i sat in the 2nd row

16:15

*wagner

16:17

third seat from the left?

16:17

with the bushy hair and the moustache?

16:17

re: scp/ssh user interface << Herr Moldbug's rant on this topic is apropos: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html "The error is that control interfaces must not be intelligent. Briefly, intelligent user interfaces should be limited to applications in which the user does not expect to control the behavior of the product. If the product is used as a tool, its interface should be as

16:17

Unqualified Reservations: Wolfram Alpha and hubristic user interfaces

16:17

unintelligent as possible. Stupid is predictable; predictable is learnable; learnable is usable."

16:18

I would note that Mr. Wolfram & co. are slowly migrating Mathmatica to be "pay us to use Wolfram Alpha in the cloud"

16:18

sheldonthomas got a wot acct ?

16:20

i’ve lost my fucking wot identity more times than i like to admit

16:21

it's ok, your other identity will admit it for you

16:21

not so smart.

16:21

lmao

16:21

i know man. i had reviews from trades in 2011 with people like justmoon and then i lost that harddrive and thus that wot identity

16:22

mthreat so true

16:22

protip: offsite backups

16:26

or the Usagi Backup System

16:27

yes usagi still has investors

16:27

funny how that works

16:30

some guy who bought a print off me yesterday now wants to use it for his band's next album cover

16:30

;;gettrust xanthyos

16:30

Currently authenticated from hostmask xanthyos!~xanthyos@d-206-53-92-136.cpe.metrocast.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014

16:31

http://www.internetnews.me/2014/07/19/domain-registry-america-suspended-icann/

16:31

Domain Registry Of America Suspended By ICANN

16:31

xanthyos

benkay: i'm a friend of danielpbarron 's

16:31

so i read

16:32

!up xanthyos

16:33

!up sheldonthomas

16:35

jesus what passes for process in the us these days.

16:35

Q : "ie. mining your competitors data to send unsolicited and misleading marketing messages isnt allowed, so if you didnt breach this clause how exactly did you send those notices?"

16:35

A : "none of your fucking business. door's that way."

16:36

<@assbot> Domain Registry Of America Suspended By ICANN --- fuk ya!

16:37

all the data they needed was public

16:38

clients always asking me what the deal is when they get DRA letters

16:38

nubbins`: so are you gonna sell him the album cover rights?

16:38

lol

16:38

"I actually have been thrilled to see that finally there is movement to replace the straight access to /dev/random and /dev/urandom: Ted's patch to implement a getrandom() system call that can be made compatible with OpenBSD's own getentropy() in user space. And even more I'm happy to see that at least one of the OpenBSD/LibreSSL developers pitching in to help shape the interface.

16:38

Dropping out the egd support made me puzzled for a moment, but then I realized that there is no point in using egd to feed the randomness to the process, you just need to feed entropy to the kernel, and let the process get it normally. I have had, unfortunately, quite a bit of experience with entropy-generating daemons, and I wonder if this might be the right time to suggest getting a new multi-source daemon out." << a

16:38

sciilifeform do you read this thing like i do, ie, a nsa-sponsored attempt to survive the "everyone has cardano rng on board" apocalypse by making good entropy sources still circumventable ?

16:38

maybe DRA can move on to Namecoin

16:39

o look, irc breaks names huh. asciilifeform ^

16:41

thestringpuller: blonde-dyed mullet kid with a skateboard making 40 tapes for his band

16:41

absolutely :D

16:42

lol, so my wife has been buying these cat litter coupons on ebay for mos, free box, any size

16:42

she just learned it's a fraud

16:42

do you read this thing like i do, ie, a nsa-sponsored attempt to survive the "everyone has cardano rng on board" apocalypse by making good entropy sources still circumventable ? << I read either that or some kernel afficianado who would buy a unix pacemaker

16:43

we mustve gone through like 50 boxes

16:43

ha

16:43

she;s all embarassed

16:44

it's a scam as in you get no boxes?

16:44

thickasthieves i don't follow, so did the coupons yield boxes or not ?

16:45

yes

16:45

grcoery clerks just dont klnow its a fraud yet

16:47

OMG USG Side channel attack on TaT via Ebay-Wife interaction

16:47

uh

16:47

so wait, basically your wife used some paper altcoin to defraud grocery chains ?

16:48

can I buy shares in this scam?

16:48

That's what I'm reading

16:49

decimation here's more. sha1 is implemented as "sha1sum". sha256 however is implemented as "sha256". then sha512 is... "sha512sum"

16:49

fuckwits.

16:50

mircea_popescu: nsa 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret.'

16:51

who expects people to jump into the biodiesel fermenter on their own will.

16:53

Some dude wants to turn Linux into System/z http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/storage-management/resource-management-and-control-a-straw-proposal-for-linux.html

16:53

Or sell System/z systems

16:54

can one do merged-mining on a premined coin?

16:54

BingoBoingo: lol at trying to rationally monitor or quota resources on x86 box.

16:56

asciilifeform: I haven't read the comments yet, but I wonder how many read it as a proposal for linux developments as opposed to IBM advertorial

16:56

mircea_popescu: nsa-sponsored attempt to survive << they won't really worry until wintel stops being a thing.

16:56

!s parachute

16:56

50 results for 'parachute' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=parachute

16:56

lol

16:56

:D

16:56

dude this entire bitcoin-assets system with its tools is turning me into a fucking singularity, im like brain on steroids.

16:57

fucking love it.

16:57

mircea_popescu didn't have 'grep' before ?

17:00

convenience is half the tool.

17:01

%d

17:01

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 632330.36 in 1859 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.98

17:10

!up moiety

17:11

moiety

you beat me :] thanks

17:11

moiety

brought you something BB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJCDa5fAWYc

17:11

Can a Thumbcat - Play Checkers? - YouTube

17:12

aw

17:17

moiety

:D i thought it was so funny

17:20

!up Fairlay

17:21

just wanted to apologize for user posting links to Fairlay on Bitbet

17:22

i don't imagine anyone really cares.

17:22

googled for Fairlay and found it in this history here

17:23

!s fairlay

17:23

4 results for 'fairlay' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fairlay

17:23

ok - than sorry again and goodbye

17:24

Fairlay you know, it may be a good idea to get in the wot.

17:26

I guess we are addressing more the new user that have never heard of WOT - since the old seems to be happy with bitbet

17:26

no but i mean for you personally.

17:26

as it is right now, you could be absolutely anyone.

17:26

the_real_fairlay

see ?

17:27

I don't rally think the Fairly comments on Bitbet really hurt BitBet at all http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/#c2048

17:27

BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 :: 619.37 B (89%) on Yes, 74.04 B (11%) on No | closed 7 months 1 day ago

17:32

artifexd: where is []bot btw.?

17:33

FabianB he said he's travelling and the bot croaked, can't touch till he's back

17:36

http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.

17:36

Open-Minded Man Grimly Realizes How Much Life He's Wasted Listening To Bullshit | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

17:38

;;later tell mike_c ding me.

17:38

The operation succeeded.

17:41

yeah I've been burned by "md5sum" suddenly is "md5" on osx

17:44

mircea_popescu: ah ic, bitcoin taking summer vacation :)

17:51

lol

17:57

thickasthieves: is atc a merge-mine thing?

17:59

;;isitdown mpex.co

17:59

mpex.co is down

17:59

week since the last update

17:59

mircea_popescu: there's a bitcoin meetup wednesday, at a local bar that accepts btc for drinks: http://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-Argentina/events/195793132/

17:59

Charla de introduccin a Bitcoin - Meetup Bitcoin Argentina (Buenos Aires)- Meetup

18:00

say hi to diego for me mthreat

18:01

ok (if I go)

18:01

i've been meaning to check out that bar

18:01

dunno if he'll remember me, but it'd be cool.

18:01

;;bcstats

18:01

18:02

is there a hashpower command?

18:03

there was

18:03

;;nethash

18:03

148187686.346

18:11

<+benkay> thickasthieves: is atc a merge-mine thing? /// no, but i think it could be, and if it is, i might be willing to put some funds towards the dev, but no one wants my money so far

18:15

whats atc nethash?

18:16

benkay who;'s diego ?

18:16

mthreat possibly, depending on how smoth mpex starts-up

18:16

you want to be at least bigger than whatever Luke-Jr can steal before enabling mm

18:17

%diff

18:17

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644621.51 in 1847 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.19

18:19

mm ?

18:19

oh.

18:19

isn't atc merge mined by default ?

18:19

no

18:19

thanks dub

18:20

http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/extreme_system_recovery.html#update_5

18:20

Extreme system recovery (Al Viro)

18:20

mircea_popescu: http://www.xinergia.com/home/cvdiego

18:20

Xinergia

18:21

<dub> you want to be at least bigger than whatever Luke-Jr can steal before enabling mm // pardon?

18:22

he means you dont wanna give bigger miners an easy excuse to fork ATC

18:22

(i think)

18:22

he (and atm any number of miners) will kill your chain if you turn on merged

18:22

rule of thumb, be bigger than eligius

18:23

Eligius Pool Hashrate: 7,879.44 Th/s

18:24

"kill your chain" what do you mean by this?

18:26

with iocoin (maybe ix too) he just mined the longest chain and didnt include any transactions

18:26

what

18:26

why

18:26

because his goal is/was to stamp out altcoins

18:26

for jesus

18:26

^

18:27

i don't get how this is supposed to work. so he mines and doesn't include txn

18:27

other miners do include them

18:27

where's the problem ?

18:27

he has 99% of the network, no other miners get to play

18:27

if you're 95% of a given network...

18:27

dub 99% of what network ?

18:27

sha mm ?

18:27

he has 8th

18:28

soooo

18:28

!s atcbot

18:28

429 results for 'atcbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=atcbot

18:29

%p

18:29

[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 5152.05 GH/s

18:29

that's 5th no ?

18:30

if atc mms the hash will prolly go to 1ph anyway.

18:30

you'd need to get 'good' pools on board

18:30

dub but there's ALREADY 5 th on board, and these are atc dedicated, they're not merge mining.

18:31

so if you add 8th from elegius that's what, 60% for luke, provided nobody else joins.

18:31

seems improbably.

18:31

you sure? at a glance the diff doesnt look right

18:31

03-07-2014 01:50:42 <atcbot> [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 14243.64 GH/s << this is the peak this month.

18:32

is that a chain hopping pool though or atc dedi?

18:32

well unless mod6 fucked up the math.

18:32

dub how does this make a diff ?

18:32

it might not be on atc right now

18:32

so ?

18:32

if it's mm'd it'll certainly be on.

18:33

anyway, news at eight : luke still irrelevant. big whoop.

18:37

this situation actually allows a window be thrown into bitcoin, to understand how it works. jesus atc is useful, props tat.

18:37

so : atc is not driven by "user adoption". it's driven by the fact that i'm buying it. in this context, if "evil" entity decides to just mine all the blocks, nobody gives a shit. so txn aren't included ? whatever.

18:37

you dont want to look through that window either

18:37

that entity can either sell the coins it mines, in which case they end up with me, which is what i want anyway

18:38

or keep them, in which case it's actually making the coin more valuable.

18:38

this is the situation o nthe field : one has NO FUCKING CHOICE. this is how bitcoin works, and why it wins out.

18:39

bitcoin has been enacted by the fiat of a few important people, a few years ago, exactly in the same manner. they weren't THAT important as a % of the world, but that doesn't matter : bitcoin can't be un-enacted by the fiat of much larger entities. it has a cost of x to make and 1mn x aren't enough to undo it.

18:40

compared to this, user derpage and luser derpage on -dev is about as relevant as fairies in the spring rain.

18:40

the scary thing about lukes altbashing was that, at the time tycho and eutheria were cheerleading for him

18:41

so right there, a 90% mining cabal

18:41

what do kids know.

18:42

for it was the point where I was closest to losing trust in the system

18:42

bitcoin was in the hands of 3 people

18:42

takes one guy five minutes to give a woman a child.

18:42

modern science has not yet found a way to shove it back into the womb.

18:42

probably still not far off

18:42

this is the situation here.

18:43

whatever you may think of the matter, bitcoin was never in the hands of THOSE 3 people.

18:44

mircea_popescu: thermodynamics concerns the inevitable, rather the immediate. e.g., the japanese prolonged holdout against gunpowder.

18:44

well, if you are presuming some kind of economic principle would come to your rescue, im sorry

18:44

you are talking about zealots and morons

18:45

asciilifeform time has compressed since then. their ability to hold out had a lot to do with the difficulty of seafaring then, and lack of satellites.

18:45

dub so you think idiocy is extempt from gravity ?

18:45

i imagine everyone who ever cracked a book is familiar with island ecosystems and their doomed flightless birds...

18:46

bitcoins single defense from evil miner conspiracy is incentive

18:46

asciilifeform you mean... the (actual) penguin ?

18:46

it wasn't on an island.

18:46

such as it. doesn't have to be on an island, strictly speaking.

18:46

dub more's to it. as i explained to asciilifeform a while ago, it actually makes it impossible to be evil in raport to it.

18:47

and it has this major make/destroy inequality baked in, to cherry on top.

18:47

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << me pontificating on related subject, some years ago

18:47

Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard

18:48

asciilifeform i appreciate consensus scoring under fiat.

18:48

penguin is not really flightless per se

18:48

dub the old one.

18:48

dub: the bird in question is 'true penguin'

18:48

dub: extinct today.

18:51

anyway, the argument against merge mining atc has more to do with the value of having an actual sha competitor for bitcoin, which may well be very instructive

18:51

all the various altcoins of any description are scrypt.

18:51

were there no alts prior to 'litecoin' ?

18:52

well yeah, because teh sha ones have been eliminated (see above)

18:52

asciilifeform litecoin is scrypt, and yea iirc was 1st

18:52

I dont think it was

18:52

dub no, just because people are a) poor and b) cluieless, in that order

18:52

no it was not first, far from it

18:52

don't listen to litecoiners history rewriting

18:52

pankkake we're not going to go into solidcoin and all that ?

18:53

namecoin was there before, and litecoin isn't the first scyrpt before

18:53

o right you are, namecoin yeah

18:53

either*

18:53

xanthyos

danielpbarron: who is better: dub or dubs?

18:53

fairbrix tenebrix whatever

18:53

either way: lies

18:56

o yeah, darkcoin had a "tenebrix" early run. anyway, aborted all.

18:56

In between namecoin and the Scrypt pre-mined anscestors of LTC there were a lot of other forgettable alts, many mergemined.

18:57

If I remember right CoiledCoin was the one Luke killed

18:57

actually this may be a good thing to do for a blogger : make the altcoin history chart.

18:57

major reference article, that.

18:57

i distinctly recall seeing just such a chart about a year ago

18:57

link ?

18:58

complete with fancy graphics, clickable zoom, etc

18:58

http://mapofcoins.com

18:58

Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more

18:58

^ no idea if current

18:59

doesn't load here.

19:00

"For instance, hundreds of thousands of bacteria can form daisy-chained "wires" an inch or so long, and tap seawater oxygen for energy. Such filaments can hold soil together and conduct electricity about as well as standard copper wire." << wow.

19:00

le wetware!

19:00

http://mapofcoins.com/#

19:00

Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more

19:00

http://wetwareontologies.tumblr.com/ < btw.

19:00

Wetware Ontologies

19:00

if only you could harness bacteria to grow onto circuit-board test points...

19:03

decimation the better application seems self-building, self repairing connectivity.

19:03

who said we want or actually need mesh networks implemented over radio ?

19:03

http://i.imgur.com/KJOwR4g.png

19:03

how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys

19:03

and yeah, you can destroy them.

19:03

go right ahead.

19:04

BingoBoingo omfg holy shit.

19:04

for all of 2011-2013 i've been strictly ignoring alts, and look at all the time it's saved me!

19:04

Site isa javascript turd

19:04

'I want to build machines to do stuff that someone "like us" wouldn't want to do, for any of the several reasons (the job is hard/boring/stinky/whatever). And once I've built them, I want people to be able to use them. Please note this last point. People and other "nature's computers", like animals and fungi, aren't supposed to be "used". In fact, all those systems spend a huge amount of resources to avoid being

19:04

used. Machines aren't supposed to be like that. Machines are supposed to do what you want. Which means that both the designer and the user need to control them.' (one mr. kreinin, with whom i have a number of disagreements, some public, but good point about meatware. -- http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html)

19:04

"High-level CPU": follow-up

19:05

motorcycle is considerably less efficient, thermodynamically, than horse - but more popular for, imho, good reason...

19:05

i dunno asciilifeform, i hear a lot of "please use me hard master" from some of the higher order "nature's computers".

19:05

lol

19:06

nobody cancelled pets

19:06

anyway. someone "like us" as the author fills that symbol does not belong above ground anyway.

19:06

fucking hippies.

19:06

afaik he was flaming the hippies

19:07

gay spat.

19:08

can anyone explain to me why would latency be ever so slightly more going one way through a wire than coming the oher way ? same identical endpoints.

19:08

the point about 'liveware generally doesn't wanna be used' can only be appreciated by folks who tried to breed industrially useful bacteria (e.g. e. coli secreting a saleable substance) - and the problems in that business

19:09

short version - bacterium isn't a sled dog. he won't work if he doesn't 'want' to. (expressed in actual flesh as the formulation: the ones without the 'work' trait - e.g. secreting dope - tend to outperform their 'useful' peers in reproduction)

19:09

"the point about women not wanting to be used can only be appreciated by rapists". DOING IT WRONG

19:10

re: latency, its probably how you are measuring it

19:10

the problem, in case anyone doesn't know, is presently dealt with through luck and brute force.

19:10

asciilifeform consider how eminently used e coli are in the intestines of every mammal.

19:10

but you'll get all kinds of inconsistency between network stacks, hardware, drivers etc

19:10

dub same shit tho.

19:11

same parts, same software.

19:11

mircea_popescu: sure. symbionts. now engineer some...

19:11

how sure are you?

19:11

i am sure.

19:11

checked every chip?

19:11

same exact model netcards. same firmware on the netcards.

19:12

same cables?

19:12

mircea_popescu: describe briefly the geometry of the wire.

19:12

could just be the ASIC on the Switchports.

19:12

a U with a very long bottom ?

19:13

mircea_popescu: most obvious explanation is clocks.

19:13

or it would be your machine badly timing the latency.

19:13

^

19:13

why one or not the other.

19:13

clocks have a tendancy to be 'shit'

19:13

wait. fuck.

19:13

silicon/ASICs have a tendncy to be better than 'shit;

19:13

no two clocks work the same huh.

19:13

typical quartz oscillators are rated to 2%

19:13

it's equalizing over time. hey asciilifeform ! i just got some entropy!

19:13

they have some - limited - thermal compensation.

19:13

yup heat can fuck shit up.

19:14

mircea_popescu: this is actually a traditional means of generating 'hardware entropy' on a pc. i rediscovered it as a kid, thought i 'had something nice'

19:14

right.

19:14

well, i built a rng oscillator. go me.

19:14

a traditional pc comes with at least 2 measurable oscillators (cpu crystal and 18hz real time clock)

19:15

*

asciilifeform waits for announcement of mpex plant purchasing rhubidium frequency standard

19:15

rhubarbium?

19:15

ahaha

19:15

Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XVXK5X.txt )

19:15

!b 5

19:15

unlike cesium clocks, these are inexpensive - radio stations in the civilized works are required to use them.

19:15

*world

19:16

to prevent frequency walking

19:16

;;google rubidium clock

19:16

Rubidium standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard>; Atomic clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock>; Accubeat - Technology - Rubidium Atomic Clock Technology: <http://www.accubeat.com/apage/17540.php>

19:16

ah Atomic Clocks.

19:16

such accuracy.

19:17

many times.

19:17

much sync.

19:17

WOW

19:17

btw, did they ever make that rubidium superclock thing ?

19:18

http://hackaday.com/2013/08/05/turning-a-rubidium-standard-into-a-proper-tool/

19:18

Turning a rubidium standard into a proper tool

19:18

mircea_popescu: no idea about 'super', but these are ubiquitous in the radio industry.

19:18

asciilifeform there was some design to make them stable-er than cesium and get rid of the cs standard entirely.

19:19

<+mircea_popescu> so if you add 8th from elegius ///8PH

19:19

when did that happen.

19:19

what, elegius is solving blocks now ?!

19:20

It happens because the idiots buying miners are the same idiots who ever bought miners

19:20

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx << loltron. e.g., kalashnikov banned for import in usa.

19:22

In addition, the following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List: BESEDA, Sergey

19:22

lmao. so let me get this straight, if putin v2.0 decides to visit the us, they'll know ?

19:22

hao.

19:23

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/drugresistant-bacteria-sewagetreatment-plants-described-as-giant-mixing-vessels-after-scientists-discover-mutated-microbes-in-british-river-9615850.html

19:23

Drug-resistant bacteria: Sewage-treatment plants described as giant 'mixing vessels' after scientists discover mutated microbes in British river - Environment - The Independent

19:24

BORODAI, Aleksandr (a.k.a. BORODAI, Alexander); DOB 25 Jul 1972; nationality Russia (individual) [UKRAINE]. <<< aww, no prime minister of donetsk republic ? tsk tsk

19:24

lmao

19:24

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GRZJRH.txt )

19:24

!b 2

19:25

bazalt.ru << click on this, get added to some list or teh other.

19:25

This Dontesk Republic is basically just like a standard Hollywood sequel to Transndstria i.e. moar explosions

19:26

mhm

19:26

rubidium clock << about 200 usd on 'ebay' and the like. who wants, can buy.

19:27

mircea_popescu: back to your wire, validate your instrumentation first.

19:27

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supper-Low-JITTER-Clock-11-2896Mhz-Rubidium-Frequency-/180497234806 << mega-lol re: who it is pitched to!

19:27

Supper Low Jitter Clock 11 2896MHz Rubidium Frequency | eBay

19:27

http://bazalt.ru/en/nonlethal_weapons/ << Today, lethality weapons include weapons which lethality rate does not exceed 25 per cent.

19:27

Nonlethal weapons : en

19:28

<mircea_popescu> how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys // okay

19:28

'put the rubidium oscillator's sine output into the cd player... it will enhance the sound quality greatly.'

19:28

and here i thought the magic green marker was state of the art.

19:28

asciilifeform: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr32/flyingbest/cd.jpg?t=1246632694

19:29

BingoBoingo: the inescapable question, is, as before, what one must smoke.

19:30

I kind of wonder what the ruse it, seems like an overly strong emphasis on CD player much as the headshops emphasize their glass pipes are for tobacco

19:30

BingoBoingo: there is an entire 'culture' of audio voodoo.

19:31

I didn't know it was /this/ bad. I almost would rather believe this is for people building plasma rifles on the down low.

19:33

back to clocks: it is grave mistake to regard a pc clock as a scientific instrument. you can get pretty good thermal stability out of a quartz resonator, using an 'oven' (more or less just like kitchen oven, in miniature - maintain controlled temperature.) but this is never found in a consumer appliance.

19:33

http://hackaday.com/2014/07/05/the-cheapest-crystal-oven/

19:33

The Cheapest Crystal Oven

19:33

!up nubbins`

19:33

if you need serious (accurate and precise) timing, must use an instrument built for that purpose.

19:35

'gps' and similar navigation systems, for example, live and die on atomic clock (and correct for SR!)

19:35

these problems almost always compounded by failure closer to the chair

19:35

hi

19:35

SR/TD correction in GPS sats blew my mind

19:36

hey nubbins` what's with these threaded beers you can't twist the tops off of in bc?

19:36

england is closer to bc, but i uh

19:36

nubbins`: try example 'closer to home,' even. last generation of CRT displays had to include sr correction (short tube, less glass, but higher gun voltage - fast electrons.)

19:36

had an identical problem brought to me after months of hand wringing by systems teams, 30 minutes later they had data to smack vendor with who later admitted to hidden NIC revisions and supplied new driver

19:36

threads mean you can twist 'em off, doesn't it?

19:36

*is closer than bc

19:36

I've long imagined a wrist portable watch with RTG (RTG also heats crystal) I'm resigned to knowing such a device probably wouldn't have the power to offer man readable time without an unacceptable risk of wrist cancer

19:37

asciilifeform i recall reading about that, why teh russians couldn't make good crts. quantum effects.

19:37

mircea_popescu: actually i first learned of this when studying the demise of american tv makers.

19:37

japan taught sr to engineers. america - no.

19:37

pretty much.

19:38

dub i don't use vendor supplied firmware.

19:38

mircea_popescu bakes own NICs ?

19:38

*

asciilifeform impressed

19:38

it limits a lot of things ;/

19:39

*

asciilifeform digs handmade nic out of cigar box, blows off dust

19:40

anyway, now it's slower in the other direction.

19:40

you're missing the point, make your dudes prove the test suite

19:40

oscillator drift.

19:41

unless the magnitude of the skew is more than 10 msec or so

19:41

99% of people who sell themselves as experts at this are probably trying to use 'ping'

19:42

dub these are draftees lol.

19:42

incidentally, quartz oscillators generally don't come in the GHz range. there's a fairly modest (<100MHz) crystal and a PLL multiplier. which compounds any error...

19:44

asciilifeform it's fractions of a ms.

19:44

mircea_popescu: handily inside thermal drift range then.

19:46

Prolly ought to start ordering Rhubidium clocks for next downtime

19:46

BingoBoingo what, and pass the chance to scramble madly for a week ?

19:47

likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.

19:47

mircea_popescu: Nah, you still scramble madly for a week as you chase cesium precision

19:48

also must recall that machine contains other components with quartz oscillators - and some of these components sit on the bus and can toss interrupts.

19:48

After that you chase caesous precision because the fans can't slice cheese or something

19:49

*

asciilifeform digs for ancient paper regarding maliciously estimating a remote machine's temperature using userspace-observable clock drifts

19:49

^ if anyone has, please post here.

19:50

So now there's a paper that helps to explain MPEx and threaten Rassah's usb wallet

19:50

BingoBoingo: 'now' << 1990s

19:51

asciilifeform userpages.umbc.edu/~rfink1/skew/papers/StatisticalFingerprinting03.pdf ?

19:51

I was born, therefore it is recent

19:51

mircea_popescu: not the one i was thinking of, bus similar concept.

19:51

*but

20:04

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 131 @ 0.0051 = 0.6681 BTC [-] {2}

20:18

!up n21187

20:18

n21187

thank u

20:25

%t

20:25

[X-BT] Bid: 222 Ask: 240 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 12k High: 222 Low: 222 VWAP: 221

20:29

sure. who're you ?

20:29

n21187

nobody really

20:31

ic.

20:38

The comments here make a nice lens for paranoid about psyops http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/07/20/206205/russian-government-edits-wikipedia-on-flight-mh17

20:38

Russian Government Edits Wikipedia On Flight MH17 - Slashdot

20:46

BingoBoingo: American Government Edits Wikipedia On Nobody Ever - USGDot

20:46

Oh it does. I'm just trying to play a game with myself of which comments are psyops from what side, which are parody, and which are just feeding the trols

20:57

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HkUGs-R4jJA/U7mjCp9MBnI/AAAAAAAAITM/rIQCqWagpiY/s1600/Photo+Jun+26,+11+38+08+PM.jpg

20:59

ok so the great news is, mpex is fully operational.

21:00

i will be bringing it online midday today.

21:00

penguirker

New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-sp30-asic-arrives-tuesday/

21:00

re: crap quartz clocks: I wondered how they did this in cell phones, because the absolute frequency is required to be within a certain range

21:01

turns out they use minaturized tcxo: http://www.timing-is-everything.net/id75.html

21:01

Press Release 8/18/08

21:02

you can buy on digikey for ~$20 as i recall, but I"m sure apple paid much less

21:03

Overly simple charts http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html

21:03

The Middle East Friendship Chart

21:05

BingoBoingo yeah, definitely, al-quaeda is hostile to everyone. herp.

21:06

and egypt is friendly to the us. what the fuck is this lmao.

21:06

If ever there were a chart which should have just been filled with "It's complicated"

21:06

iran friends with nobody but iraq ?! ahahh

21:07

check it out, how many friends the us has. iraq... the saudis...

21:07

nuts that thing.

21:08

Also Where the fuck are the Kurds? They are more a thing than refering to Iraq in the singular now.

21:10

I'm also annoyed that wristwatch accuracy is so poor

21:12

BingoBoingo or afghanistan

21:12

this is so very like reading soviet hagiography

21:12

lol

21:14

it is interesting that the "high-end" watch world has gone away from "my watch is really accurate" to "look at the neat spinny gears"

21:16

decimation: Well, it had to. Shiny sell more than function does. Hence every outdoorsy flashlight is now tactical.

21:17

yeah, the last quartz watch sold on accuracy that I can find was in 1974: http://chronomaddox.com/omega_megaquartz_2400.html

21:17

it turns out you can open up many quartz watches and adjust the trim pot to correct for aging error: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f43/how-adjust-accuracy-g-shock-83153.html

21:17

How to adjust the accuracy of a G-Shock

21:19

!up Diablo-D3

21:19

that forum isnt loading

21:19

is this for an analog one?

21:19

no it's a casio g-shock

21:20

unstylish digital watch

21:20

yeah see

21:20

I have a g-shock

21:20

its 20 years old

21:20

Ive never had to adjust it

21:20

mine is about 5 years old and it loses about 10 seconds per month if it doesn't correct from WWVB

21:21

apparently the firmware in the watch: 1.) doesn't use WWVB to correct its long-term frequency error 2.) produces a one-second offset when synced to WWVB

21:24

I think a rhubidium "grandfather clock" at home is a better solution to the problem of "watch has shitty crystals" than WWVB's chicom signal.

21:25

heh chicom signal?

21:26

mine loses about half a minute every year

21:27

mine predates the time radio shit

21:27

I also turned dst off on it because of bush

21:27

Well sure it was originally US made, but when things break... And in a high power broadcase facillity shit breaks

21:28

the conventional solution is to use gps for the same purpose, but that has the same problem

21:29

Actual solution is to roll your own time standard

21:31

It isn't like the blockchain demands timestamp precision

21:34

well, how are you going to initially set your granfather clock? do you accept the communist's time reference frame?

21:35

I wouldnt mind one of the new gshocks that are solar and self setting

21:36

yeah that is what mine is, it has worse onboard clock...

21:36

it doesnt need to have a great onboard clock

21:36

also it does not sync well on the east coast of the us

21:36

heh, really?

21:36

meh

21:36

maybe by the time my watch dies

21:36

I wont bother replacing it

21:38

decimation: I imagine when it starts I'll just take the unix time from the nearest friendly timeserver

21:39

I think the citizen watches are the only digital quartz watches made today with some level of accuracy

21:40

Eh citzen or seiko generally work fine. Swatch is prolly fine too.

21:41

Most days I get by fine with a malaysian automatic winding movement when I care/remember to wear it.

21:46

my phone can tell the time

21:47

phones are set by mobile towers generally

21:47

yeah a grand seiko quartz should be less than 1 second per month based on their internal spec

21:49

!up Diablo-D3

21:50

really, this whole +m stuff should stop

21:50

yeah, see, what dub said is true

21:50

my phone, also, tells time

22:02

!up Basquiat_

22:03

Basquiat_

bitstein: http://claritycurrency.com/ the latest in bitcoin startup scams

22:03

Clarity Currency Management | Home

22:05

I like how they flat out make stuff up in their "educational guide"

22:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dONRrrTFnJA

"Companies such as Facebook, Apple, Yahoo, EBay and Amazon have already begun implementing bitcoin transactions in their business models, in addition to Wallstreet, political candidates, and the music community."

22:06

Basquiat_

22:06

Clarity Currency Mgmt - Who We Are - YouTube

22:06

On a symbolic level, I like how the banner image has varying degrees of clarity.

22:09

Basquiat_: The music.

22:11

Chiraq update: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-chicago-shooting-20140720,0,5431495.story

22:11

In violent weekend, at least 40 people shot in Chicago - chicagotribune.com

22:14

They ought to try banning guns.

22:16

Basquiat_

bitstein: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201955734645471&set=o.520416921397098&type=1&theater hard at work trading that crypto

22:24

!up Zoop_

22:24

the music community lol

22:33

it's probably racsis to take notice of who is murdering in chicago

22:44

still no sign of mpex?

22:45

copumpkin: Supposedly going up Midday

22:46

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.003 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}

22:48

copumpkin http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2014#762950

22:48

#bitcoin-assets log

22:48

yay

22:48

inb4 massive selloff of S.MPOE :P

22:49

I'd join in, except I'm lazy so I'll probably just hold it and see what happens

22:49

yay cheap shares.

22:58

:)

22:58

I think I have enough shares for now

22:58

one day I'll have as many as you do though!

22:58

>_>

23:04

well sure, i still intend to retire eventually.

23:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.17 = 4.76 BTC [+]

23:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 53 @ 0.16002225 = 8.4812 BTC [-] {13}

23:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1818 @ 0.003 = 5.454 BTC [-]

23:17

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 199 @ 0.00298982 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2}

23:25

*

asciilifeform laughs, reading log, seeing people thinking that microwave clock is for knowing the time.

23:27

*

asciilifeform often wonders about thermal behaviour of the semiconductor widgetry connected to such clocks, and whether anyone even gives a fuck

23:27

incidentally, we know that gate delay is thermally ticklish. how? easy - asynchronous circuits will speed up or slow down depending on temperature.

23:35

there is a clock on my microwave sothere

23:36

Time's not a real thing anyway

23:39

Time's just the scraps left over after space is cleaved from the manifold by the faculty of sensation to cognition

23:40

by intuition

23:40

Or maybe I flipped something around in there

23:46

I like how you can gauge just how stupid your average HR/HS peon is by the time they expect it to take for the test

23:46

estimated time for this module 30 minutes, takes 35 seconds

23:46

HS learning team have a combined IQ of 17

23:47

dub: let me guess. mandatory u.s. army 'anti-terrorist training' ?

23:48

there was a bomb threat slide, which was particularly stupid in that I failed it

23:49

apparently you should take your laptop with you in this instance because not having it destroyed by bomb squad is less important than not being blowed up

23:50

er, more important

23:54

gah

23:55

the best ones are where there is not enough information to answer

23:56

this question 'what should you take to a $site', options ID, changte request, then lists three different access card types

23:56