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00:22 punkman https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female"
00:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lN0Hfg )
00:23 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.49980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b9
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00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47341 @ 0.0005016 = 23.7462 BTC [-] {2}
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03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050787 = 12.0619 BTC [+] {3}
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04:14 punkman https://i.imgur.com/NlM8mjk.jpg
04:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lkVqv1 )
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05:07 punkman @freenodestaff We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out.
05:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17281 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7202 BTC [-] {2}
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05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28546 @ 0.00050805 = 14.5028 BTC [+] {3}
06:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050461 = 14.5328 BTC [-] {2}
06:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00050126 = 19.474 BTC [-] {4}
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07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48096 @ 0.00050812 = 24.4385 BTC [+] {3}
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08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1982 @ 0.00050879 = 1.0084 BTC [+]
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10:34 punkman http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/
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10:34 assbot Police plants own computers in Freenet, log IPs, makes arrest | Hacker 10 – Security Hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyneJb )
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26156 @ 0.00050879 = 13.3079 BTC [+]
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11:36 * mircea_popescu doesn't remember which group of snakeoil salesmen were pushing "freenet".
11:39 mircea_popescu in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ?
11:39 mircea_popescu this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ?
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11:59 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332379 << disObesified
11:59 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 04:57:01; mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name
12:05 mircea_popescu cool
12:06 BingoBoingo From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them."
12:08 mircea_popescu the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only.
12:11 BingoBoingo Sure, just amazing how much retardation accretes on every side of derpdom
12:11 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00050879 = 23.0991 BTC [+]
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12:41 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
12:41 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.01, Best ask: 360.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 360.2, 24 hour volume: 44791.1190569, 24 hour low: 343.02, 24 hour high: 367.0, 24 hour vwap: None
12:42 adlai volume has gone negative in china; vwap ceases to be a thing
12:42 * BingoBoingo now REALLY feeling like this is fall 2012 all over again
12:47 BingoBoingo Orly?
12:47 BingoBoingo Just like 2012, china was a thing beyond Asicminer derping about shares
12:47 BingoBoingo *wasn't a thing
12:50 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
12:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 359.88, vol: 16441.97519367 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.985, vol: 16606.57364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.02, vol: 44654.80891705 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 345.01, vol: 3.25111645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 360.332457, vol: 91406.01980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 360.70977, vol: 103.14388238 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 360.264, vol: 122.36772408 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
12:52 BingoBoingo ;;more
12:52 gribble average: 359.191266508
12:56 mircea_popescu best show on earth huh BingoBoingo ?
13:00 BingoBoingo Seriously. Bitcoin is great entertainment.
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14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050878 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2}
14:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00050531 = 13.0623 BTC [-] {2}
14:13 BingoBoingo !UP jurov
14:16 jurov hi
14:16 jurov seems my bouncer was hanging on holmes.freenode.net alone for half a day
14:17 jurov i came and noone was there on any chan
14:18 mircea_popescu i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan
14:18 BingoBoingo Seems there is ddos
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15:14 felipelalli guys of Qntra.net, have you seen that? https://lifars.com/2015/11/4973/
15:16 felipelalli where is the "hide my ass"?
15:16 felipelalli I have to go, see you my Oracle!
15:18 trinque speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again
15:18 trinque some days, fleanode...
15:21 mircea_popescu you can always write it up felipelalli
15:27 felipelalli mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle!
15:27 felipelalli *I have = I have to have to...
15:32 mircea_popescu so go for it.
15:33 mircea_popescu this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work".
15:33 jurov felipelalli: worst what can happen is.... someone will tell you something
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16:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00050531 = 6.1941 BTC [-]
16:09 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/#comment-78502
16:09 assbot North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvCyDn )
16:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3131 @ 0.00050057 = 1.5673 BTC [-] {2}
16:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00049791 = 14.5982 BTC [-] {4}
16:17 jurov mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it
16:17 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << related
16:17 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
16:21 deedbot- [Qntra] Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large - http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/
16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00050418 = 20.6462 BTC [+] {3}
16:46 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/
16:46 assbot Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
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16:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005052 = 6.7192 BTC [+] {2}
16:47 jurov BingoBoingo: deedbot- already did it
16:48 BingoBoingo jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update.
16:48 jurov oh corpses were updated
16:48 BingoBoingo Yeah
16:49 BingoBoingo Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition
16:49 trinque damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions.
16:53 phf jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject
16:54 BingoBoingo trinque: Could be just angry over political health clinic spam
16:55 trinque lol
16:55 trinque poor guy's @aol.com overfloweth
16:56 jurov phf but it's std::map not some boostism
16:56 jurov are you telling me boost modifiest std:: stuff behavior?
16:57 phf jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
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16:58 phf jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data
16:59 jurov ikr? but i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work
17:01 jurov i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
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17:03 phf jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx
17:05 phf but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening.
17:06 phf last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26152 @ 0.0005052 = 13.212 BTC [+] {2}
17:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050723 = 7.4816 BTC [+] {3}
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17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44932 @ 0.0005095 = 22.8929 BTC [+] {5}
17:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24468 @ 0.00051032 = 12.4865 BTC [+] {2}
17:46 jurov just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
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17:48 phf jurov: can paste file:line for those?
17:48 jurov just grep "static map" and "static set" yourself
17:49 phf kk
17:50 jurov O.o how is it possible to have static variable inside if statement?
17:56 phf jurov: by the way, in addition to static things, there's also top level globals
17:58 jurov you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much
17:59 phf what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or?
18:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00051202 = 4.3117 BTC [+] {3}
18:02 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this
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18:02 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
18:02 jurov i mean both, generally
18:04 jurov !up ascii_field
18:04 jurov hello
18:06 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332485 << quite exactly
18:06 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 23:02:04; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this
18:07 phf jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use.
18:07 ascii_field every tx received eats a measurable qty of ram which is NEVER reclaimed
18:08 jurov phf i know!
18:09 ascii_field in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator)
18:09 ascii_field this results in fiery crash
18:09 ascii_field because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit
18:09 ascii_field (there is not a safe way to forget a tx)
18:10 jurov yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared
18:10 ascii_field aha.
18:10 ascii_field now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did
18:11 ascii_field and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost
18:11 phf jurov: i thought you said that it did get called? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332468
18:11 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
18:12 ascii_field i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens
18:12 jurov phf yes but that were stack operations. i then filtered them
18:14 phf jurov: ah k
18:15 jurov and how does the map know there are outstanding references?
18:15 ascii_field phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition)
18:16 ascii_field it did not work.
18:16 ascii_field jurov: outstanding references ?
18:17 jurov or why does it not destroys the transactions
18:17 ascii_field clear doesn't invoke destructors
18:17 ascii_field just nukes the map
18:17 ascii_field but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash.
18:17 jurov http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0"
18:17 assbot map::clear - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSOYs4 )
18:18 ascii_field the CONTAINER
18:18 ascii_field of size 0
18:18 ascii_field the ELEMENTS of the map are destroyed
18:18 ascii_field that is to say, the key-value pairs
18:18 ascii_field not the objects point to by the values.
18:19 phf there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop?
18:19 ascii_field me.
18:20 phf ah and that does the crash?
18:20 ascii_field yes.
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18:20 phf kk
18:20 ascii_field go, try.
18:20 ascii_field this is a 10 minute experiment.
18:20 ascii_field incidentally it isn't a locking bug either
18:20 ascii_field i did try locking the removal
18:21 ascii_field the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero
18:21 ascii_field my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite.
18:22 ascii_field not so i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in
18:22 ascii_field but if other folks want to take their turn in the manhole - sure, why not...
18:23 ascii_field jurov, phf: i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME
18:24 ascii_field i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon
18:24 jurov CInPoint refers to CTransaction, thus mapNextTx should be erased before mapTransactions
18:24 ascii_field but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive
18:24 jurov the jettison patch had it the other way
18:24 ascii_field jurov: didja try this ?
18:25 jurov did you? i'm still putting it all together
18:25 ascii_field iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool
18:26 ascii_field in my last experiment
18:28 jurov yes, but was mapNextTx deallocated at that time?
18:30 ascii_field btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0514
18:34 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332399 << l0l where didja think it went??
18:34 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 16:39:23; mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ?
18:34 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet
18:34 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 15:34:04; punkman: http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/
18:35 ascii_field the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!'
18:36 phf !up ascii_field
18:36 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332373 << this kind of thing is about usg getting ~stronger~
18:36 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 03:49:58; deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/
18:36 ascii_field usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln.
18:36 ascii_field !s gendarmerie
18:36 assbot 24 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie
18:37 ascii_field ^ part of this, but certainly not all
18:37 punkman freenet design makes a lot more sense than tor
18:37 punkman who knows what horrors lie in its source code though
18:39 ascii_field it was a 'fortress built to fall'
18:39 ascii_field punkman: what about it makes more sense ?
18:39 punkman ascii_field: static content for example
18:40 ascii_field borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores;
18:40 ascii_field '
18:40 punkman also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc
18:51 trinque wtf
18:55 jurov ascii_field: you meant this? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
18:55 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6it9 )
18:57 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html
18:57 assbot [BTC-dev] Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6nx5 )
18:57 mod6 ah, nm
18:59 mod6 if you get that igprof patch working jurov, let me know.
18:59 ascii_field jurov: aha
18:59 mod6 i think mine compiled ok with it.
18:59 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
18:59 gribble Current Blocks: 385653 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332451 << bonus points if it turns out lone gunman was reading the logs ?
19:00 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 21:46:14; assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
19:01 jurov !up lonegunman
19:01 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1332217 << legit how ?
19:01 assbot Logged on 26-11-2015 20:20:07; thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit?
19:01 ascii_field i am always astonished when folks ask question like this
19:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332465 << o.O
19:03 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 21:57:56; phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
19:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332476 < yes.
19:04 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 22:46:25; jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
19:05 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b23
19:05 mircea_popescu the usage of statics in that pile is still not understood [in its implications]. stands as a major sore point to this very day, six years later.
19:06 ascii_field where ~isn't~ the sore point
19:07 jurov !up ascii_field
19:07 mircea_popescu yeah, one of these days we'll make a sore point list of things, as a necessary [early] step towards printable btc.
19:07 mircea_popescu nevertheless, im not equal to that task today
19:07 jurov wart on wart
19:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when i do so and so this is the bt resultant".
19:09 assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 23:20:05; ascii_field: yes.
19:09 ascii_field even far more modest goal like 'doesn't consume infinite ram' is far beyond reach.
19:09 mircea_popescu a nude yes is guaranteed to miss things.
19:09 jurov igprof won't work with stator, i guess?
19:09 mircea_popescu i never tried.
19:09 ascii_field at one point i considered bolting on stroustrup's 'smart pointers' thing but gave up in disgust
19:10 mircea_popescu anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work.
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19:10 ascii_field jurov: absolutely works
19:10 ascii_field jurov: gotta compile in the hooks
19:11 ascii_field aha
19:11 ascii_field actually the only reason i logged on presently was to help jurov
19:11 jurov the patch adds -l dl to LIBS
19:11 ascii_field because there is actually not a good record of the last thing i did
19:11 mircea_popescu yeah, we kinda lack a process for this.
19:12 ascii_field jurov: i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc
19:12 ascii_field consult the docs
19:13 ascii_field the process used to be me elaborately chronicling my travails on the ml
19:13 ascii_field but right now there is not a process, no.
19:14 mircea_popescu !up CheckDavid
19:14 CheckDavid thanks mircea_popescu
19:14 CheckDavid So Gyft has a 25% discount on giftcards? How can one take good advantage of the offer?
19:14 CheckDavid ANy ideas from the great minds in here?
19:14 mircea_popescu !down CheckDavid
19:14 ascii_field there is a dismal ru version of the 'sword in the stone' sorta legend
19:14 ascii_field where there is a little iron ring in the earth
19:14 ascii_field and a sign, telling strong men 'pull with all your might'
19:14 ascii_field and most tried, grunted, gave up
19:14 ascii_field but one mega-hero, pulled, pulled, PULLED
19:14 ascii_field until he ended up buried entirely in the earth.
19:14 mod6 <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator, i guess? << i'm trying to recall the details... but i think it compiled ok iirc, but when I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env) I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason.
19:15 mircea_popescu ;;rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year.
19:15 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
19:15 mircea_popescu derp
19:15 mircea_popescu !rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year.
19:15 assbot CheckDavid is not registered in WoT.
19:15 mircea_popescu da fuck already.
19:15 mircea_popescu ascii_field you knwo the oglaf variant ?
19:16 ascii_field can't recall
19:16 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/noblesse/
19:16 assbot Noblesse Obligee ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBz5o )
19:17 ascii_field l0lz
19:17 mod6 anyway, i need to give the IgProf hooks another try in a different, nongentoo env and see.
19:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051363 = 3.6468 BTC [+] {2}
19:18 ascii_field https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/4a/05/814a05e03a05331cb13f7b4bbd43e11e.jpg
19:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBFdd )
19:18 ascii_field ^ the hero, svyatogor
19:20 mircea_popescu isn't ogor ground/land/something ?
19:20 mircea_popescu the hero HolyPlot
19:20 phf svyato-gor
19:22 ascii_field theoretically, 'sviato' == holy; 'gor' ~= 'of mountains'
19:22 mircea_popescu a
19:31 mircea_popescu !up TwinWinNerD
19:31 phf what i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case, i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation
19:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049712 = 3.629 BTC [-] {2}
19:34 ascii_field phf: in this particular case, there is also another thing - whether the problem is solvable without committing 'power rangerism' and mutilating the patient beyond recognition into a monstrous chimera
19:36 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ << Captured?
19:36 assbot Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 5) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
19:36 ascii_field presently i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this
19:36 ascii_field (and it HAS to be cured before pogo can be a thing)
19:36 mircea_popescu not all tumours are operable, is the sad fact of biology.
19:36 ascii_field aha.
19:38 mircea_popescu anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!"
19:38 mircea_popescu gotta distinguish these cuz the second's no good.
19:43 phf one thing that i see happening here is a subtrate problem, i.e. oh boost is crap gotta use std c++, oh c++ is crap gotta use lisp, oh lisp is hosted on unix, gotta host on bare metal, oh bare metal is crap gotta vhdl our own cpu, oh can't do our own cpu because 3 factories. i'm not sure where that leaves us exactly
19:45 phf in this case "broken because of boost" is more like a description of an OSI layer, i.e. uknowable things are happening somewhere in the datastructures level of things
19:45 felipelalli BingoBoingo, I just sent you an email with my first Qntra article. Good luck to me :)
19:45 BingoBoingo ty
19:45 mircea_popescu that leaves up shit creek looking for a job.
19:45 mircea_popescu if experience's any guide.
19:47 phf kek
19:48 BingoBoingo felipelalli: Please reformat and resubmit as per http://trilema.com/lacessiveram-editor
19:48 assbot Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io4Efa )
19:57 felipelalli BingoBoingo, thank you! I'll read.
20:00 jurov for the record: igprof won't work with stator, must change STATIC=all to STATIC=1 in stator.sh to get dynamic executable at final link time
20:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00049815 = 1.8033 BTC [+] {2}
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12392 @ 0.00049816 = 6.1732 BTC [+]
20:13 felipelalli BingoBoingo, I did not understand the item 4, how can I create a link?
20:14 felipelalli Another question: strong, em etc. are HTML tags?
20:14 BingoBoingo felipelalli: With <a> tgs
20:14 felipelalli Understood!
20:14 BingoBoingo felipelalli: yes, use <b><i>, etc
20:14 BingoBoingo Any no non sensical line breaks
20:23 felipelalli are you talking about \r\n e.g.?
20:24 felipelalli I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent.
20:26 BingoBoingo brb
20:26 BingoBoingo http://www.sidesinspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/surprised-koala.jpg
20:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tivb3S )
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4327 @ 0.00049712 = 2.151 BTC [-] {2}
20:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00049711 = 1.9899 BTC [-]
20:38 mircea_popescu ahahaha kickass.
20:49 punkman http://i.imgur.com/UBLi3O3.jpg bee boop
20:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYeShF )
20:54 deedbot- [Trilema] Saturday Night Fever - http://trilema.com/2015/saturday-night-fever/
20:55 mircea_popescu for the record, mega article ^ imo
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21:15 mod6 i feel like I have to watch it now lol
21:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10290 @ 0.00049643 = 5.1083 BTC [-] {2}
21:16 punkman watched Un Prophete the other day, pretty damn good
21:17 trinque I just watched one of the dance scenes on youtube; Travolta is *awful*.
21:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00049467 = 3.1209 BTC [-]
21:20 mircea_popescu utterly/
21:21 phf parents were telling me how saturday night was like the coolest movie in soviet uniont. nobody have seen it, but everyone talked about it. having a leisure suite from checkoslovakia was the pinnacle, etc. mom finally watched it in early 2000s, reaction was "wtf is this shit"
21:21 mircea_popescu i am sure it was the coolest movie in the soviet union.
21:21 mircea_popescu for specifically this reason : it is the direct equivalent to the set of euler's axioms.
21:21 mircea_popescu the flesh in the west was starting to build a new socialism, and the flesh in the east wanted what flesh always wants.
21:22 mircea_popescu s/euler/euclid/ wtf.
21:24 mircea_popescu the irony implicit being that had she watched it in 1978, she'd have thought it unspeakably great.
21:24 mircea_popescu apparently censorship is not all bad.
21:29 trinque watched Forrest Gump again last night with a similar morbid curiousity. in it, he's the "hero" for no other reason than he is maximally obedient. he's the perfect american.
21:29 trinque who needs official propaganda when it spews from every orifice?
21:30 mircea_popescu could we say the same of blood ? air ?
21:30 trinque I don't follow
21:32 mircea_popescu "who needs blood when it spews from every orifice". seems like that's when you need it the most
21:32 trinque ah
21:32 phf same people who thought themselves inoculated from soviet propaganda, fell for western one hook line and sinker
21:33 mircea_popescu i happen to think the same is true of propaganda, even though it's an ideal object. by the time it's ubiquitous, the thing's going to shit. propaganda storm is a reflection of developing propaganda resistance.
21:33 mircea_popescu phf well, you know, onoculated from propaganda, what's that even. "i'm done with love" ?
21:34 phf well, our rocket is made of cardboard, but their jeans are made of american dream
21:34 mircea_popescu oh where is that great song
21:35 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQUiEIsC1U
21:35 assbot Invidia [PLANETA MOLDOVA] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SonZ5u )
21:36 trinque hm, this is relevant to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325981
21:36 assbot Logged on 17-11-2015 22:29:08; mircea_popescu: why are usians dumb ?
21:36 trinque to which I've been giving a great deal of thought since.
21:36 trinque perhaps propaganda hole's clogged
21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049467 = 10.3633 BTC [-] {2}
21:41 phf hehe that's a catchy song
21:41 mircea_popescu "io-atita ma mindresc, io-atita ma mindresc si va spun : decit englez or neamt, franzuz, american mai bine, mai bine moldovan"
21:42 mircea_popescu ie, i'm so very proud and i tell ya : rather than english or german, french or american, you're better off moldavian.
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00049555 = 4.1131 BTC [+]
21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049555 = 4.0635 BTC [+]
21:48 phf that seems to tie with a broader point that once something is named, it's already over. propaganda storm is kind of like grabbing onto something stationary while in a current, and realizing that there's a current to beging with, and that it's possibly strong.
21:51 trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-04-2015#1103915
21:51 assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
21:51 trinque pretty hilarious sentence by Citizenfile there, too.
21:52 trinque *five
21:52 mircea_popescu propaganda storm most closely resembles insulin fatigue i'd say.
21:55 mircea_popescu trinque in point of fact, words mattering is just another luxury good
21:55 mircea_popescu like dioxin-free tomatoes.
22:01 phf hmm
22:03 mircea_popescu love or hate it, propaganda has a role in helping undifferentiated cells digest phenomena. pure, nude phenomena are indigestible by the human cell.
22:04 mircea_popescu there's no reason for it to be "good" when kuhn describes it as a way for scientists to keep from being too stupid and also "bad" when ayers describes it as a way for red necks to still manage to fit in with their neighbours without shooting each other too much.
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7402 @ 0.00049797 = 3.686 BTC [+]
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22:28 BingoBoingo <felipelalli> I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent. << I am at a loss now for how to extract this text
22:31 * BingoBoingo never ceases to be surprised by the ways people bend GPG to produce bundles inside of bundles to the point it is impossible to discern where one might begin untangling the second bundles
22:32 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> like dioxin-free tomatoes. << or dioxin free roads/parks
22:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00049556 = 5.1538 BTC [-]
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22:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's all the result of "easy to use" tools that run automagically.
23:05 BingoBoingo fwiw this tends to happen msot often when messages are produced with GPG v2 and the first layer included mentions of MIME types
23:05 mircea_popescu prolly "email client"
23:06 punkman the wonders of PGP/MIME
23:09 mircea_popescu dumbest fucking idea. why THE FUCK would the transport layer be even aware of pgp as opposed to plaintext.
23:10 mircea_popescu if i designed this, the -a flag would yield a "1024 most common english words" encoding.
23:19 BingoBoingo If I designed this it would use 1024 most common nudes encoding
23:20 mircea_popescu lol
23:25 BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz
23:25 moldysnizz hi bingo!
23:25 moldysnizz long time
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5798 @ 0.00049797 = 2.8872 BTC [+]
23:26 BingoBoingo indeed
23:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00049923 = 11.3076 BTC [+] {2}
23:27 * mircea_popescu doesn't recall the gentleman.
23:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3838 @ 0.00050238 = 1.9281 BTC [+]
23:36 chatquack There we go.
23:37 retrunque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332602 << fuck yes.
23:37 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 00:10:35; mircea_popescu: anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work.
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7838 @ 0.0005073 = 3.9762 BTC [+]
23:39 BingoBoingo "This kid had an injury that I’d never seen before. Instead of articulating posteriorly to the patella, his femur went lateral while his tibfib went medial. Basically, his thigh was sliding to outside while his shin was sliding to the inside. I’d seen dislocations before, but his bones were cocked out at angles that were different from typical traumatic dislocations. To me, it simply looked like his knee gave in under the weig
23:39 BingoBoingo ht and collapsed underneath him." << https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/685908
23:39 assbot ER fat with knee pain | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTG3k8 )
23:44 mircea_popescu "TLDR: Fat with knee problems. Fat mother. Fat people are a cancer. " << i wonder how come people will throw an absolute hissy fit should mother dare smoke, yet nobody seems to get too worried should mother be obese. yet smoking is not nearly as damaging as obesity.
23:45 mircea_popescu seems a rehash of the entire "it's okay for fat woman to drown you in her lard in the subway. it's not ok for male to sit comfortably."
23:46 BingoBoingo Yeah
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4974 @ 0.0005073 = 2.5233 BTC [+]
23:51 BingoBoingo Let's play a game of which mine are we working today https://archive.is/joG7C
23:51 assbot BitttBurger comments on Peter Todd: "Remember how we discussed adding Tor-by-default to Bitcoin Core? It'll be in v0.12!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfsfUw )
23:53 BingoBoingo Brodinism just got a lot less appealing >> "Brothers I've been triggered! My lat has become so large with Brodin's blessings I find it difficult to reach around it and clean up after I've given yesterday's sustenance to the porcelain god. I fear if this continues I may have to use a rag on a stick!"
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11176 @ 0.00050794 = 5.6767 BTC [+] {2}
23:53 mircea_popescu anwyay, commenters bring a good fucking point. when i was in my teens i went through about 25-30k calories a week, each week.
23:53 mircea_popescu slim as a hound.
23:53 mircea_popescu da fuck they put in that food.
23:55 mircea_popescu lmao they are going to dump all that tor bs on top of all that openssl bs on top of all that boost bs on top of all that qt bs into the client ?
23:55 BingoBoingo Well, most american food is laced with the sugahs. Even the meats and breads. A lot of it is the sugahs that don't respond to insulin (fructose). Add vidya games. Add monsanto.
23:55 BingoBoingo Yeah, Bitcoin "core" prolly needs some more fatshaming
23:57 mircea_popescu i just hope they add avahi.
23:57 mircea_popescu needs its own sound driver right ?
23:57 BingoBoingo How do we know it isn't already in there?
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