00:06 |
thestringpuller |
dude |
00:06 |
thestringpuller |
the actual fuck |
00:06 |
thestringpuller |
can we get some hp pointed to atc? |
00:08 |
thestringpuller |
%nethash |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: some sort of consistent treatment of focus << 'ratpoison' has 'polite mode' and 'rude mode' (window can open, on current display, or cannot.) i've them set to single key toggle. |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na |
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00:33 |
assbot |
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00:33 |
asciilifeform |
ggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html) |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: how os x << better question, -why' os x |
00:38 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts |
00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion? |
00:42 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: aha that was why. |
00:42 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations. |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
What? A pushcart isn't mobile enough? |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i recently ended up in a similar situation (some work in a godforsaken bare walls site) and looked at laptops, finding nothing even vaguely worth owning |
00:43 |
nubbins` |
my 2008 macbook is still going strong |
00:43 |
nubbins` |
in fact, i *just* ordered 8gb of ram for it |
00:43 |
nubbins` |
should be a bit zippier than the current 2 |
00:43 |
* |
ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table |
00:43 |
* |
asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles |
00:44 |
* |
asciilifeform envies ben_vulpes |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
575 buys... a doghouse here. |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
for a small dog. |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
it's just a bay in a warehouse. |
00:44 |
nubbins` |
575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
what's a pt ? |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
paper towels |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
toilet paper, paper towels |
00:44 |
* |
asciilifeform assumed 'pay toilet' |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
there's a nice symmetry |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent |
00:45 |
nubbins` |
toilet pluger, pay toilet |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
or 'piss tank' |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
access to piss tank(s) comes with rent |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: the machine shop ? |
00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more. |
00:46 |
asciilifeform |
aaha. |
00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly. |
00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners. |
00:47 |
* |
asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years. |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man... |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
(chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...) |
00:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48653 @ 0.00075242 = 36.6075 BTC [+] {3} |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...). |
00:50 |
nubbins` |
there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same. |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools |
00:51 |
nubbins` |
you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns. |
00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment. |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
minus one or two |
00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part. |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes travels ? |
00:52 |
* |
ben_vulpes hovels |
00:53 |
* |
asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
it's fair packable. |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain. |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
oh and a grinder. |
00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder. |
00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
* asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it. |
00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around |
00:55 |
* |
ben_vulpes shudders at the memory |
00:56 |
asciilifeform |
'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? |
00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
"hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?" |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
"oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax." |
00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen. |
01:01 |
* |
asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less. |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer. |
01:02 |
xmj |
... |
01:02 |
xmj |
working on 'web stack' is easy enough |
01:02 |
xmj |
charge more if it's boring. |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
i also once earned bread by running wires in ceilings, walls. |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
and may again. |
01:03 |
xmj |
how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
lol. |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
it's all just plumbing. |
01:03 |
xmj |
of course it is |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests. |
01:03 |
xmj |
that's what makes it so attractive |
01:04 |
xmj |
sysadmin is digital plumbing. |
01:04 |
xmj |
plumbing is... plumbing. |
01:04 |
nubbins` |
print shop, creative plumbing |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work. |
01:04 |
nubbins` |
just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
what is dishonest work? |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
most computer systems have no business really existing. |
01:05 |
nubbins` |
but we need to do the thing faster |
01:06 |
xmj |
it's the old debate |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s. |
01:06 |
xmj |
and it's boring. |
01:06 |
* |
xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century. |
01:06 |
xmj |
please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last. |
01:06 |
thestringpuller |
xmj sounds like a file format |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
xmj: familiar with edison's dc current electrical grid ? |
01:06 |
nubbins` |
;;google xmj file extension |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly. |
01:06 |
gribble |
What does XMJ stand for? - Abbreviations.com: <http://www.abbreviations.com/XMJ>; Ubuntu Manpage: xmj, mj-server, mj-player - programs for playing ...: <http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man6/xmj.6.html>; TOSHIBA 14N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS Service Manual free download ...: <http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/38085/_TOSHIBA%2014N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS.html> |
01:07 |
xmj |
after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall... |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
xmj: he would have power plant on every street. |
01:07 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"? |
01:07 |
xmj |
..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING. |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing. |
01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything. |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel |
01:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00075299 = 3.2379 BTC [+] |
01:08 |
xmj |
asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works" |
01:08 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
01:08 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.15, Best ask: 406.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 406.12, 24 hour volume: 13245.56397950, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.824099826 |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
modern computing "just works" << lol! |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
trololol... |
01:08 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
01:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.0007498 / 0.00075299 (691738 shares, 518.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075192 / 0.00076502 (4165683 shares, 3,132.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075378 / 0.00086605 (15942598 shares, 12,017.25 BTC) |
01:08 |
thestringpuller |
modern video games! |
01:08 |
xmj |
... |
01:08 |
nubbins` |
loose times, fast women! |
01:08 |
xmj |
ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client? |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj. |
01:09 |
thestringpuller |
forms > spreadsheets |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
tight times - slow women. |
01:09 |
nubbins` |
5 cents cheaper than the theatre |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
01:09 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.62, Best ask: 406.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 406.54, 24 hour volume: 13174.81062162, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.847799735 |
01:10 |
nubbins` |
oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms |
01:10 |
nubbins` |
ms infopath |
01:10 |
nubbins` |
oh god |
01:10 |
thestringpuller |
that's a thing? |
01:10 |
ben_vulpes |
microsoft, apple |
01:11 |
thestringpuller |
;;google infopath |
01:11 |
gribble |
Microsoft InfoPath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_InfoPath>; Update on InfoPath and SharePoint Forms | Office Blogs: <http://blogs.office.com/2014/01/31/update-on-infopath-and-sharepoint-forms/>; Introduction to InfoPath Forms Services - InfoPath - Office - Microsoft: <http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/infopath-help/introduction-to- (1 more message) |
01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
apple's shit's all about "end user experience" |
01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
m$ all about preventing developers from thinking |
01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism |
01:11 |
nubbins` |
nah man, you have to think plenty |
01:11 |
nubbins` |
because it's all a hot mess |
01:12 |
thestringpuller |
lol linux just kinda exists |
01:13 |
nubbins` |
between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z |
01:13 |
thestringpuller |
i wonder who thinks these are good ideas |
01:13 |
nubbins` |
but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX() |
01:14 |
thestringpuller |
and how these ideas are incepted and nutured |
01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
oh god stop |
01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
no stop stop stop |
01:14 |
nubbins` |
and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions |
01:15 |
nubbins` |
applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system |
01:15 |
* |
nubbins` vomits, weeps |
01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
noipe |
01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation. |
01:15 |
nubbins` |
i need a drink |
01:16 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming |
01:16 |
ben_vulpes |
i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here |
01:16 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
01:16 |
nubbins` |
don't feel too bad for me, i got out |
01:17 |
nubbins` |
oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7 |
01:17 |
nubbins` |
LEL I KID |
01:18 |
nubbins` |
microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier" |
01:22 |
nubbins` |
this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal |
01:22 |
nubbins` |
guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description |
01:22 |
nubbins` |
"so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..." |
01:24 |
thestringpuller |
not everyone is as creative as you nubbins` |
01:24 |
thestringpuller |
gosssh |
01:24 |
nubbins` |
he doesn't have anything to say! |
01:24 |
thestringpuller |
lighthouse looked promising in some regards |
01:25 |
thestringpuller |
but meh |
01:25 |
thestringpuller |
lol |
01:25 |
thestringpuller |
all of it is pretty meh |
01:28 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3 |
01:28 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
01:28 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3 |
01:28 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2. |
01:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32469 @ 0.00075303 = 24.4501 BTC [+] {2} |
01:29 |
thestringpuller |
;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller |
01:29 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012 |
01:29 |
thestringpuller |
no level 1 from you yet nubbins` :P |
01:31 |
nubbins` |
don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings |
01:31 |
nubbins` |
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nubbins`&sign=ANY&type=SENT |
01:31 |
assbot |
Rating Details for User 'nubbins`' |
01:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6315 @ 0.00075039 = 4.7387 BTC [-] {2} |
01:31 |
nubbins` |
;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts |
01:31 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded. |
01:31 |
thestringpuller |
love it |
01:32 |
thestringpuller |
i hope to be art connessieur one day |
01:32 |
thestringpuller |
but art is tough |
01:32 |
nubbins` |
stew meat is tough, unless you stew it |
01:32 |
nubbins` |
art is the same |
01:33 |
thestringpuller |
hmmm |
01:33 |
thestringpuller |
that makes sense |
01:33 |
thestringpuller |
that and a lot of practice eh? |
01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
art meat is tough unless you art it? |
01:34 |
nubbins` |
sure, yeah |
01:35 |
nubbins` |
that's what i meant |
01:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive |
01:39 |
decimation |
to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? |
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01:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45459 @ 0.00075338 = 34.2479 BTC [+] {2} |
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02:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28018 @ 0.00075371 = 21.1174 BTC [+] {3} |
02:20 |
BingoBoingo |
!up moldysnizz |
02:20 |
moldysnizz |
squeeeeee |
02:21 |
moldysnizz |
hiya bingo |
02:22 |
moldysnizz |
Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy. |
02:22 |
moldysnizz |
How've you been? |
02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Not too bad |
02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
You? |
02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
How's the homestead? |
02:25 |
moldysnizz |
Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago. |
02:26 |
moldysnizz |
About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day. |
02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense. |
02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the best example being, of course, your own dna. |
02:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Nice moldysnizz |
02:27 |
moldysnizz |
So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land. |
02:27 |
moldysnizz |
*excited* |
02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
* ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal. |
02:27 |
moldysnizz |
I might have to put in a driveway first. :P |
02:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances |
02:28 |
moldysnizz |
=) |
02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit |
02:29 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/04/guy-motorcycle-looking-forward-donating-organs-year/ |
02:29 |
assbot |
Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog |
02:29 |
BingoBoingo |
You know I have my whole life ahead of me, said 22-year-old Jasper. Just in other peoples bodies. |
02:34 |
moldysnizz |
heh |
02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree. |
02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
all a matter of perspective. |
02:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something. |
02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ? |
02:42 |
BingoBoingo |
http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/09/18/how-to-discourage-a-doctor/ |
02:42 |
assbot |
How To Discourage a Doctor | The Health Care Blog |
02:43 |
BingoBoingo |
"For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan |
02:43 |
BingoBoingo |
ge vendors frequently." |
02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
the framing is kinda lulzy awkward. |
02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently doctors can't write, either. |
02:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course they can't |
02:49 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher" |
02:49 |
moldysnizz |
wow. just wow |
02:49 |
mircea_popescu |
herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece. |
02:49 |
mircea_popescu |
what the hell else. |
02:50 |
BingoBoingo |
!up moldysnizz |
02:52 |
moldysnizz |
Thank you. |
03:03 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html on perceived arrogance |
03:03 |
assbot |
Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive |
03:07 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283103461920369KL2065E@naggum.no.html |
03:07 |
assbot |
Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive |
03:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers." |
03:11 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing "better" about it, it's a bug like any other. |
03:11 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation. |
03:11 |
mircea_popescu |
no. it affected the openssh implementation. |
03:11 |
mircea_popescu |
derpy usians are on this empathy kick means jack. |
03:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh Nagum address es the SGML/XML issue http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283054407117609KL2065E@naggum.no.html |
03:14 |
assbot |
Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive |
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assbot |
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penguirker |
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punkman |
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08:18 |
BingoBoingo |
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-runs-on-21-raid-proof-virtual-machines-140921/ |
08:18 |
assbot |
The Pirate Bay Runs on 21 "Raid-Proof" Virtual Machines | TorrentFreak |
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08:45 |
kakobrekla |
it looks like posters arrive. |
08:45 |
kakobrekla |
d |
08:51 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: Did you also get the nuclear resistant packaging other recipients are reporting? |
08:52 |
kakobrekla |
actually i decided mid-unwrapping that im going to leave it packaged as it came. |
08:52 |
kakobrekla |
maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. |
08:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Solid plan |
08:53 |
BingoBoingo |
In a few millenia the archeaologist will appreciate that. |
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09:35 |
assbot |
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09:44 |
danielpbarron |
does anyone know who this idiot is? https://twitter.com/bravetheworld/status/514036093281660928 -- she claims to have been in here before, but refuses to tell me her gribble username |
09:44 |
assbot |
If you told me last year that I'd be running GIT and beta testing /openbazaar I'd think you were speaking in another language. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash |
09:46 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: I dun remember. |
09:46 |
assbot |
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09:51 |
cazalla |
danielpbarron, that's julia tourianski |
09:51 |
cazalla |
seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir |
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09:53 |
danielpbarron |
cazalla, know her gribble username? |
09:54 |
cazalla |
nfi but she has not been here in the past 12 months and she popped up 9 months ago |
10:04 |
mats_cd03 |
rofl. 'seo marketer'. |
10:05 |
cazalla |
mats_cd03, that's what her linked in says and she runs hydralocalmarketing.com |
10:12 |
assbot |
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10:13 |
mats_cd03 |
i lol at the lack of self-realization that causes such branding |
10:14 |
cazalla |
someone is pulling her strings |
10:14 |
mats_cd03 |
no, she's just dumb. |
10:15 |
mats_cd03 |
inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. |
10:15 |
cazalla |
dunno, panda/penguin took me out |
10:18 |
cazalla |
but no, she might be dumb but she popped up almost a year ago with all these videos, from what i've seen and heard from her, she's a puppet for someone else |
10:19 |
BingoBoingo |
<mats_cd03> inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << What do you think /. is? |
10:19 |
cazalla |
you know when you come across someone that says things that you know are being said on behalf of someone else, that's the feeling i get from her |
10:21 |
cazalla |
she's done acting before, she's the actor in her videos, nfi who the producer/director is |
10:22 |
dub |
friend if amir |
10:22 |
dub |
so her utility ends at compost or some other biomass |
10:23 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla:maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. <<< good idea, collectors love original packaging |
10:27 |
BingoBoingo |
https://github.com/conformal/btcd/releases/tag/BTCD_0_9_0_BETA << Interesting |
10:27 |
assbot |
Release btcd v0.9.0-beta conformal/btcd GitHub |
10:28 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/ |
10:33 |
kakobrekla |
nubbins` imma have to open it as my mom wants one |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
for shame |
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assbot |
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10:55 |
nubbins` |
http://youtu.be/rYcSqIuqkz4 |
10:55 |
assbot |
KTVA reporter quits on-air, reveals herself as owner of Alaska Cannabis Club - YouTube |
10:55 |
nubbins` |
hahahahaha. |
11:03 |
nubbins` |
http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=49397&latest=1 |
11:03 |
assbot |
VOCM.COM|Trial Begins Today in Botched Robbery Shooting | Article |
11:03 |
nubbins` |
"wear a suit, it'll make you look good" |
11:04 |
mats_cd03 |
i discovered a while ago that visual basic 6 was used for a front end on a .mil dish that provided internet connectivity to personnel in the field |
11:04 |
nubbins` |
wow |
11:05 |
mats_cd03 |
p amusing. |
11:05 |
nubbins` |
i used to work at an insurance company that stored all their client passwords in plaintext |
11:06 |
nubbins` |
i guess they probably still do |
11:07 |
kakobrekla |
if only they base64 encoded it |
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assbot |
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11:08 |
nubbins` |
unhackabru |
11:08 |
nubbins` |
response when i brought it up: "we know" |
11:08 |
kakobrekla |
should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" |
11:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Password is Xylophone http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0 |
11:10 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times |
11:11 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla 8) |
11:11 |
nubbins` |
(password?) |
11:16 |
bounce |
the password is to stick it in google |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!up GNULinuxGuy |
11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging |
11:17 |
assbot |
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11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement. |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
lol bitcoinbelle |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
etc etc |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
can't just be Susan or Alex throughout. |
11:21 |
assbot |
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11:21 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
11:22 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
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atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 294697.00 in 930 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.31 |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe. |
11:23 |
nubbins` |
buddy of mine has a dog named water |
11:23 |
assbot |
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11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
on consideration, it's actually possible https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/458738254284468224/5L51itmv_400x400.jpeg doesn't realise her self-tagging as "belle" is at best ironic. |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name. |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
"I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao. |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that'sd a good point |
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assbot |
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11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week. |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their trilema reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage. |
11:31 |
chetty |
maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.google.com/search?q=Julia+Tourianski&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X if you're curious. |
11:31 |
assbot |
Julia Tourianski - Google Search |
11:32 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people. |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13984/ode-julia/ << leaving this here for pete_d :D |
11:34 |
assbot |
Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine |
11:35 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/ |
11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy. |
11:42 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:49 |
thestringpuller |
the writer looks hot |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough. |
11:53 |
thestringpuller |
what is that age range |
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assbot |
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11:59 |
assbot |
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12:00 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/AQy9kKW.jpg |
12:00 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40 |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit. |
12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot. |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share |
12:04 |
nubbins` |
course not, you're extrapolating |
12:04 |
nubbins` |
i'm only concerned with me |
12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly... |
12:04 |
nubbins` |
fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
conversational intercourse ? |
12:05 |
nubbins` |
sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with. |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you slept ?! |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
what, like all through it ?! |
12:05 |
nubbins` |
euphemism! |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
welcome to technicality club, bitch. |
12:05 |
assbot |
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12:05 |
nubbins` |
no sleep til valhalla |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
wait your wife had a baby |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
and you had sex with the nurse that helped deliver? |
12:06 |
nubbins` |
wait what? |
12:06 |
nubbins` |
this is my birth we're discussing |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
OH |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
lol |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
~_~ |
12:06 |
nubbins` |
jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
8====> O = baby |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
or something? |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
right |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
penis + girl hole = intercourse? |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
yes yes? |
12:11 |
jurov |
nubbins` then maybe you ought to show the world more than your exquisite torso? |
12:12 |
jurov |
*to the world |
12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet. |
12:13 |
jurov |
but he also says it persists to this day ? |
12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well... canada |
12:13 |
assbot |
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12:14 |
nubbins` |
the cold preserves things |
12:14 |
nubbins` |
where do you think this name came from? |
12:14 |
jurov |
wetnurse4lyfe |
12:15 |
jurov |
btw, it's covered by insurance, too? |
12:15 |
jurov |
teh welfare!!!1 |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
please take it to #bitcoin-dev |
12:16 |
assbot |
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12:17 |
nubbins` |
HA |
12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction |
12:18 |
jurov |
as in, directly from udder? |
12:18 |
jurov |
er.. tit |
12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lol no |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry. |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it's very sexual. |
12:20 |
Duffer1 |
how very tantric |
12:24 |
nubbins` |
do they have honey shreddies in argentina? |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
what's them ? |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i hate sweets with breakfast. |
12:27 |
nubbins` |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreddies |
12:27 |
assbot |
Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
12:28 |
nubbins` |
essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in |
12:28 |
nubbins` |
y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer |
12:28 |
nubbins` |
shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
and by superfluous you mean ubiquitous ? |
12:31 |
nubbins` |
both, i suppose |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
:) |
12:32 |
nubbins` |
technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window? |
12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
12:32 |
nubbins` |
"sure, but only when you put the accent over the e" |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?" |
12:35 |
nubbins` |
SEAT... by Window |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ? |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
sometimes it feels like they can go a year |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
definitely a month |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
month sounds safe |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
longer than that is probably suspect |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically you can't put a tesla in storage. |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH |
12:41 |
thestringpuller |
you can't put a real car in storage |
12:41 |
thestringpuller |
with gas |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about" |
12:41 |
thestringpuller |
if you keep gas in the tank it ruins the fuel system |
12:41 |
thestringpuller |
be it carbeurated or fuel injection |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ? |
12:42 |
thestringpuller |
you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage |
12:42 |
thestringpuller |
it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage |
12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
12:42 |
thestringpuller |
the only other option is to put fuel preservatives |
12:43 |
thestringpuller |
also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car |
12:43 |
thestringpuller |
so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it |
12:44 |
thestringpuller |
i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller i had no idea of this theory. |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what's more, neither does the dmv : http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/laying_up.html |
12:44 |
assbot |
Leaving a car unused | AA |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/storage.php |
12:45 |
assbot |
Storing Your Vehicle for Long Periods of Time - How To Guides at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple |
12:45 |
thestringpuller |
yup these are decent guides |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere |
12:45 |
thestringpuller |
damn i forgot all about oil congealing |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it |
12:46 |
thestringpuller |
if you have synthetic oil you may be good up to 5 years |
12:46 |
thestringpuller |
but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, sure, you'll drive it for a tune-up. |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but the key there is, drive it. |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
it* |
12:47 |
nubbins` |
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/florida-woman-surgery-add-breast-article-1.1948199 |
12:47 |
assbot |
Florida woman has surgery to add third breast to make herself 'unatttractive to men' - NY Daily News |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
you may need starter fluid |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so you mean like, back i nthe 70s ?! |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
yes back in the 70's |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
XD |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` most unlikely to backfire plan of the year. |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
but I see your point mr. popescu |
12:47 |
thestringpuller |
I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general |
12:48 |
thestringpuller |
maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
heh |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
more likely, someone invents tesla charger that works |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, tesla as in nikolai. the distance thing |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions |
12:48 |
jurov |
there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside) |
12:49 |
thestringpuller |
hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon |
12:49 |
thestringpuller |
that would be ideal though |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that shit's giving me eyes 3d sensations. |
12:50 |
thestringpuller |
(wirelessly charging the vehicle) |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
like i gotta defocus or something |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv. |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on. |
12:51 |
jurov |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters,_Fort_Meade,_Maryland.jpg << most secure outside car storage |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov those may be street art. |
12:51 |
jurov |
dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper |
12:52 |
nubbins` |
mp watch the video on the bottom of the article |
12:52 |
nubbins` |
brutal |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
soo are we inviting her over for tits and biscuits ? |
12:53 |
nubbins` |
seems insufferable, you go ahead |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today" |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
could just go hg-tisi wttat! |
12:53 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30BXH5Y.txt ) |
12:53 |
thestringpuller |
!b 2 |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance. |
12:54 |
nubbins` |
ya think? |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what gave it away, right / |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
heh |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful" |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
o, that being successful ? |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, why so tense. |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
"i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house" |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/Uku02mU.jpg?1 |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
!conference |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
what's the command! |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
!con |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
!conf |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
:( |
12:58 |
jurov |
http://www.wired.com/2014/09/mit-students-face-aggressive-subpoena-demanding-source-code-bitcoin-mining-tool/ |
12:58 |
assbot |
MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code | WIRED |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller: $ |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
$conference |
12:58 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29662096 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
12:58 |
jurov |
placing a js miner = fraud... |
12:59 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: ^ |
12:59 |
nubbins` |
jurov iirc it was voluntary? |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ? |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
no tcp/ip where they live or what |
12:59 |
jurov |
nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional" |
13:00 |
jurov |
whole article is a mess |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
wired baby you're such a highway hooker. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters! |
13:03 |
thestringpuller |
where di mircea_popescu go? |
13:03 |
thestringpuller |
$depth mpoe |
13:03 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=202 Or use a valid MPSIC! |
13:04 |
thestringpuller |
$depth s.mpoe |
13:04 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 18667 @ 0.00074572 21900 @ 0.00074529 18714 @ 0.00074498 23400 @ 0.00074485 |
13:04 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 11592 @ 0.00074644 27792 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384 7997 @ 0.00075406 |
13:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074572 = 10.0672 BTC [-] |
13:06 |
ben_vulpes |
http://calagator.org/events/1250466855 << god bless portland |
13:07 |
assbot |
Church of Robotron Calagator: Portland's Tech Calendar |
13:09 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: thx |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/RIasguO |
13:15 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
mailman came :D |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
13:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0007455 = 7.6414 BTC [-] {2} |
13:34 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
13:34 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.07, Best ask: 402.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.76000, Last trade: 402.84, 24 hour volume: 12135.18562964, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.68935094 |
13:35 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
13:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074529 / 0.00074994 / 0.00075406 (1007833 shares, 755.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00074529 / 0.00075053 / 0.00076085 (4250760 shares, 3,190.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.0007551 / 0.00086605 (16406165 shares, 12,388.44 BTC) |
13:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00074644 = 0.5972 BTC [+] |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up julia_ |
13:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00074644 = 8.0556 BTC [+] |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ you the chick with the guns ? |
13:52 |
julia_ |
yes |
13:52 |
julia_ |
you asked for me. |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
soo, what's this business about trolls, |
13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and what's this business about hacked exchanges ? |
13:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0007504 = 4.4334 BTC [+] |
13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
as to http://bravetheworld.com/ if you try submitting a comment form it dies, check it out for yourself. |
13:53 |
assbot |
CHAOS BEGETS FREEDOM | Brave The World | bravetheworld.com |
13:56 |
julia_ |
my site has been completely fucked up recently |
13:56 |
julia_ |
waiting to hear by from my host. |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files. |
13:57 |
julia_ |
so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ? |
13:57 |
thestringpuller |
how did mircea_popescu ask for you? |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
did we talk before or something ? |
13:57 |
julia_ |
looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;) |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, well, i don't hate people for that. |
13:58 |
julia_ |
he was kind enough to email me so advice |
13:58 |
julia_ |
some* |
13:58 |
julia_ |
and I was kind enough to email him some advice :) |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what. |
13:59 |
julia_ |
and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account |
13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but when! and who! did that ? |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
!s julia linkedin |
14:00 |
assbot |
0 results for 'julia linkedin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=julia+linkedin |
14:00 |
julia_ |
haha |
14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
14:02 |
julia_ |
+danielpbarron |
14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ? |
14:02 |
BlueMeanie4 |
hello from Murica |
14:03 |
julia_ |
well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 they let you in ?! |
14:03 |
julia_ |
are you being sincere +mircea_popescu |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ yes. |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the thing with me is that im sincere. |
14:04 |
bounce |
ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall? |
14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ? |
14:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6863 @ 0.00074485 = 5.1119 BTC [-] |
14:05 |
julia_ |
I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i see where you were discussed. |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839641 |
14:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-09-2014 13:51:44; cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir |
14:06 |
julia_ |
I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out |
14:06 |
julia_ |
I haven't done seo for years btw... |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other. |
14:07 |
julia_ |
And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s. |
14:07 |
julia_ |
do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided. |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
there's something to decide ? |
14:08 |
julia_ |
hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e |
14:08 |
chetty |
nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained |
14:08 |
bounce |
you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not |
14:09 |
julia_ |
ye +chetty indeed |
14:09 |
chetty |
there you go, being all practical and all |
14:09 |
julia_ |
ye I get it i know |
14:09 |
bounce |
might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia. |
14:09 |
julia_ |
trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something. |
14:10 |
bounce |
for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012 |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something |
14:10 |
julia_ |
im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet. |
14:11 |
julia_ |
is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so you think. |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
granted, an easy misapprehension to form. |
14:12 |
julia_ |
I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale |
14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
14:14 |
julia_ |
""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley, |
14:14 |
julia_ |
^ much feels. :D |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes. |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ ok, so what is it you want to do ? |
14:15 |
julia_ |
+cazalla nothing to say to me? |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
(course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss) |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
he's prolly still asleep. aussie. |
14:16 |
julia_ |
well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me. |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what, just in general, change ? |
14:17 |
julia_ |
no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P |
14:17 |
julia_ |
yes that's vague, change... |
14:17 |
julia_ |
let me see here...how to phrase it |
14:18 |
chetty |
well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keepíng an eye out |
14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ? |
| |
↖ |
14:18 |
julia_ |
I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems. |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally. |
14:19 |
julia_ |
+chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact. |
14:19 |
bounce |
"thinking granted by the state"? o_O? |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct |
14:20 |
julia_ |
ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
as state controls kid education to a large degree... |
14:20 |
chetty |
wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered. |
14:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00074485 = 6.1823 BTC [-] |
14:21 |
ben_vulpes |
julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet? |
14:21 |
chetty |
well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i'll bet you she dunno know what it is. |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
-know |
14:21 |
ben_vulpes |
duknow |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe pete should change his name again. pete duknow |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
!up julia_ |
14:22 |
bounce |
yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
what's willful even mean at that level. |
14:22 |
bounce |
more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that |
14:23 |
julia_ |
i use mailvelope |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and how's this not wilful ? |
14:23 |
julia_ |
and bitmessage |
14:23 |
julia_ |
is that what u mean? encryption |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ why ? |
14:23 |
thestringpuller |
i thought bitmessage was dead... |
14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails? |
14:23 |
bounce |
lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc. |
14:24 |
julia_ |
mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin. |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
conceptually. |
14:24 |
bounce |
so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking. |
14:24 |
ben_vulpes |
julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT. |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful. |
14:25 |
bounce |
(perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984) |
14:25 |
julia_ |
I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed |
14:25 |
ben_vulpes |
but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load. |
14:25 |
ben_vulpes |
(and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P) |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
bridgecoin! |
14:26 |
julia_ |
aight link me i'll go head and do it. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
uhh the fuck was it. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google first steps bitcoin assets |
14:26 |
gribble |
start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note- (1 more message) |
14:26 |
ben_vulpes |
;;google first steps bitcoin-assets |
14:26 |
gribble |
start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note-on- (1 more message) |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
USELESS GOOGLE |
14:26 |
ben_vulpes |
dang. |
14:26 |
bounce |
what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume |
14:26 |
ben_vulpes |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ |
14:26 |
assbot |
start [bitcoin assets wiki] |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets |
14:26 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
14:26 |
julia_ |
nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find. |
14:27 |
bounce |
that'd be wilful. |
14:27 |
ben_vulpes |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets |
14:27 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao ben_vulpes stop copying me |
14:27 |
ben_vulpes |
lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ |
14:27 |
assbot |
Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube |
14:27 |
ben_vulpes |
there's only trolls in this channel! |
14:27 |
ben_vulpes |
what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc |
14:27 |
bounce |
oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs |
14:29 |
julia_ |
ty |
14:29 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu sounds like cartman sometimes. |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up. |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
gpg gives the end user control of the almighty keys |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not. |
14:30 |
ben_vulpes |
;;google ultimate gpg key |
14:30 |
gribble |
Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: <https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; gpg --batch --yes --edit-key trust - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...: <http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2010-July/039213.html> |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read. |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
(julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.) |
14:31 |
julia_ |
i have a PGP key, that's different ye? |
14:31 |
bounce |
neh. details. |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
well, "what's a key?" |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
the master? the decryption key? the signing key? |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist. |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ not at all. |
14:32 |
bounce |
both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough. |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof. |
14:32 |
julia_ |
so my pgp sig is what you're talking about? |
14:32 |
julia_ |
ok then I'm aware. |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
smart girl huh. |
14:33 |
ben_vulpes |
brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?! |
14:33 |
ben_vulpes |
different handle back then |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what was it ? |
14:33 |
ben_vulpes |
julia_: ? |
14:33 |
julia_ |
ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks |
14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ so what's your key fingerprint ? |
14:34 |
chetty |
http://twitchy.com/2014/09/22/irony-overload-check-out-what-the-nypd-used-to-pop-floodwallstreets-carbon-bubble/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter |
14:34 |
assbot |
Irony overload! Check out what the NYPD used to pop #FloodWallStreet’s ‘carbon bubble’ [photos] | Twitchy |
14:34 |
julia_ |
5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F |
14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i see you hav the public key published, but something like http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ is better practice |
14:34 |
assbot |
Contact : PGP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
aha ty |
14:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.155075 = 0.6203 BTC [+] {3} |
14:35 |
julia_ |
am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm |
14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID] |
14:36 |
ben_vulpes |
!s bravetheworld |
14:36 |
assbot |
98 results for 'bravetheworld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bravetheworld |
14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
oh anjie's friend ? |
14:37 |
julia_ |
ah right so i did register ages ago? |
14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ how is miss castillo these days ? |
14:37 |
bounce |
;;gpg info bravetheworld |
14:37 |
gribble |
No such user registered. |
14:37 |
julia_ |
mk right - i remember now |
14:37 |
bounce |
doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it? |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce yes it does. |
14:38 |
julia_ |
ok where am i typing these commands? http://technerd.net/nickserv.html |
14:38 |
assbot |
NickServ allows you to |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ right in here. |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e. |
14:38 |
bounce |
you prefix them with /msg nickserv |
14:39 |
julia_ |
why do u advise that |
14:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+] |
14:39 |
bounce |
(or you do /query nickserv then take it from there) |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d |
14:39 |
julia_ |
ok so if i follow these instructions in the order it should be smooth http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets |
14:39 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and if it isn't, feel free to post your hate here. |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
!up JuliaTourianski_ |
14:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
says my email is not valid |
14:45 |
ben_vulpes |
what's complaining about email hm? |
14:46 |
mats_cd03 |
14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes. |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
!up olil3olli3 |
14:46 |
mats_cd03 |
and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content |
14:46 |
mats_cd03 |
guess not. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit" |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need. |
14:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well |
14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
what's humingbird |
14:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo |
14:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
google releases updates in the way they rank websites |
14:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital |
14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
when was this ? |
14:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ages ago |
14:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
let me think...like last winter |
14:50 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YDHKSQ.txt ) |
14:50 |
ben_vulpes |
!b 2 |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ? |
14:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since |
14:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
anyways- im trying to register and says email is invalid |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
who says ? nickserv ? |
14:51 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye |
14:51 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
-NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address. |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
no [] |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
those are metasyntactic characters. |
14:51 |
kakobrekla |
use <> instead |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla stop trolling the girl omg! |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ use nothing. go nude for it! |
14:52 |
kakobrekla |
sexist. |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i am not sexist, i am straight. |
14:52 |
kakobrekla |
fuckin feminist mp. |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference is negligible. |
14:53 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
you guys know I have a anti-feminist series |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
is it any good ? |
14:53 |
bounce |
such antiism |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
antitism |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i guess i am probably the most feminist here. |
14:54 |
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Bet created: "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ |
14:54 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
it's my biggest video |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
link ? |
14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
how many mb? |
14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
!up JuliaTourianski_ |
14:56 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc my wokr b4 bitcoin :P ahahah much embarrassment but ppl love the drama |
14:56 |
assbot |
Declare War on Feminism: The Body, Sex & Rape - YouTube |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
got the script anywhere? |
14:58 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye somewhere |
15:01 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,994. |
15:01 |
Duffer1 |
nubs? :P |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ? |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
uk pound* |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
not bad, 24`000% inflation in a century. |
15:02 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i'm curious how low silver can go |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
historically it ended up pretty low. |
15:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'd love to buy some more ASEs |
15:03 |
Duffer1 |
ase? |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
eagles |
15:04 |
Duffer1 |
ah |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff. |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
course a bitch to handle, but hey. |
15:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;eregister JuliaTourianski_ 10572E349297B40F |
15:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable |
15:06 |
gribble |
Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/10572E349297B40F |
15:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
enough now adays for two cases of ammo |
15:06 |
ben_vulpes |
*drumroll* |
15:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
or a month's worth of groceries |
15:06 |
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Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries. |
15:07 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Does for us |
15:07 |
The20YearIRCloud |
we spend $100ish a week |
15:07 |
ben_vulpes |
they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup. |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
$100 a week ?! |
15:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yes, all processed foods, HFCS and white bread |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
dude i gotta reevaluate oh. |
15:08 |
Duffer1 |
that's about my food bill per week also |
15:08 |
ben_vulpes |
no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'. |
15:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
My family of 4 |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc. |
15:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup |
15:09 |
ben_vulpes |
hee hee |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
comes to about 1-2k a month, for a "family" of four. |
15:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
By anchovies you mean caviar? |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
no, i mean anchovies. |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's this small fish. |
15:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
they're pretty darn cheap here |
15:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
maybe $4-$5/lb |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in ohio ?! |
15:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
artichokes are pretty cheap as well |
15:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb |
15:10 |
lobbes |
not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh |
15:10 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,984. |
15:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight |
15:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
italian imports are about 10 bucks for 3 ounces./ |
15:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
less than 36 hours ? |
15:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
About there |
15:11 |
bounce |
the wonders of cheap fuel |
15:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
<12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio |
15:12 |
thestringpuller |
Ohio isn't landlocked |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston. |
15:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We have lake erie |
15:12 |
thestringpuller |
Cleveland is a lack city. |
15:12 |
lobbes |
ohio has 'The North Coast' |
15:12 |
thestringpuller |
lake* |
15:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
so all the walleye and perch you could ever hope for! |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
that's something. perch is pretty good. |
15:13 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit |
15:13 |
The20YearIRCloud |
My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters. |
15:15 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats |
15:15 |
The20YearIRCloud |
*coasts |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ? |
15:15 |
The20YearIRCloud |
They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
sucks. |
15:16 |
The20YearIRCloud |
So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish |
15:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
haha |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
o so THAT's why so pissed off huh |
15:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them. |
15:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute. |
15:19 |
bounce |
rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean |
15:19 |
thestringpuller |
bounce is so pessimistic |
15:19 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine. |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce that dam was there for 50 years. |
15:19 |
bounce |
been busy for 50 years too |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
hardly, tbh. |
15:19 |
The20YearIRCloud |
There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist. |
15:20 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event |
15:20 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26 |
15:20 |
gribble |
Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_ with key 10572E349297B40F |
15:20 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Are your anchovies imported fresh/live mircea_popescu ? |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
even if its government isn't. |
15:20 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I don't think there's that much paper cash in circulation |
15:20 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_" |
15:20 |
Apocalyptic |
well done |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks |
15:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex |
15:21 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
teehee- where's my lollypop? |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Dimsler |
15:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident |
15:21 |
gribble |
Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident JuliaTourianski_ |
15:21 |
gribble |
Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None |
15:21 |
bounce |
what's with the _ though? |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood. |
15:21 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, |
15:21 |
Dimsler |
bitcoin magazine editor from toronto? |
15:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod |
15:21 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded. |
15:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank |
15:21 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
whose, gribbs. |
15:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yet almost nothing was cut |
15:21 |
ben_vulpes |
mine, you missed the semis |
15:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
in terms of state expenses. |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
try it. |
15:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood |
15:21 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood. |
15:22 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded. |
15:22 |
The20YearIRCloud |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ why not? |
15:22 |
gribble |
Error: 'why' is not a valid integer. |
15:22 |
Dimsler |
what brings Julia to this channel? |
15:22 |
The20YearIRCloud |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler amusingly enough, danielpbarron |
15:22 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded. |
15:22 |
Dimsler |
LOL |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
because he's a smooth operator. |
15:23 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
lmircea made me |
15:23 |
Dimsler |
lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad |
15:24 |
ben_vulpes |
i failed? |
15:24 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
daniel is in love with me. his love was magnetic |
15:24 |
ben_vulpes |
lolk |
15:24 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye they r |
15:24 |
The20YearIRCloud |
that sounds messy |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler why ? |
15:25 |
Dimsler |
its a marathon of misinformation and greed |
15:25 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here |
15:25 |
The20YearIRCloud |
the $2/lb stuff |
15:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1200 @ 0.000691 = 0.8292 BTC [-] {3} |
15:26 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 hottie |
15:26 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded. |
15:26 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Here's imported stuff for $25/lb - http://www.igourmet.com/shoppe/Italian-Anchovy-Fillets-in-Bail-Top-Glass-Jar.asp?src=froogle&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkF69LJ1QQu-of7LFld4tRDH0DNwKhuJ1CJ21aIV1QvRoChXHw_wcB |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google buy agostino recca in ohio |
15:26 |
gribble |
Amazon.com : "Agostino Recca" Fillets of Anchovies : Packaged ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Fillets-Anchovies/dp/B004F7T49W>; Anchovy My Baby - Slice: <http://slicefoodinsights.com/anchovy-my-baby/>; Taste Test: The Best Anchovy Fillets | Serious Eats: <http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/10/taste-test-best-anchovies-anchovy-fillets-in-olive-oil.html> |
15:26 |
The20YearIRCloud |
RagnarDanneskjol: you've seen her? |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud ^ |
15:26 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
italian imports |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
for a good sauce |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
i swear you can't do it otherwise |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ha ha ha you said snatching |
15:27 |
The20YearIRCloud |
http://www.ditalia.com/product/273/online-italian-gourmet-grocery-essentials?utm_source=google&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=google&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkBxcAsHM-cDAxboOoG1OS_YawQDXLIlMuoWwVMbo7ehoCDmfw_wcB |
15:27 |
assbot |
Pantry Essentials - Sicilian Anchovies in Oil |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
excuse the pun |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here |
15:27 |
Dimsler |
not sure if i can last another winter |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
you coming to teh conference ? |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!up JuliaTourianski_ |
15:28 |
Dimsler |
didn't the isle of man one just finish? |
15:28 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Here's anchovies off amazon for $7/lb - http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Anchovies-Salted-Whole/dp/B0050ILYRA |
15:28 |
assbot |
Amazon.com : Agostino Recca Anchovies Salted Whole Anchovies : Packaged Anchovies : Grocery & Gourmet Food |
15:28 |
Dimsler |
wheres the next one |
15:28 |
Dimsler |
i need a get away |
15:28 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud i guess im getting gypped. |
15:29 |
Dimsler |
was in khrakov when they shot the mayor |
15:29 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
$conference |
15:29 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29826841 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler ^ |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler did they shoot the deputy ? |
15:29 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ty for everyone's help - glad i bothered |
15:29 |
Dimsler |
well there was no sherrif |
15:29 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
where do I put in my btc address? |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it. |
15:29 |
Dimsler |
my cyrillic is bad |
15:30 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
!up JuliaTourianski_ |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
and a dachia for $2k |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
mmm cheap war torn realestate |
15:30 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication#Registration |
15:30 |
assbot |
Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki |
15:31 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, you read dough casey? |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ gotta do it in pm |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler notrly. |
15:31 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
this means I had sex with Doug- http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin |
15:31 |
assbot |
Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research |
15:32 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!down JuliaTourianski_ |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey. |
15:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics) |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
depends where you go. bucharest is a cesspool. |
15:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Dimsler: where is this? |
15:32 |
Dimsler |
kharkov |
15:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
seriously? |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
yeah man |
15:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
that's amazing |
15:33 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
i absolutely love eastern europe |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
spent the rest of my time in budapest |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
as overrated as it was |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
then back to krakow |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
shooting porn or what ? |
15:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it |
15:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Specifically with eastern european agriculture |
15:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
mircea_popescu I'll try, just for you |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well bulgaria is like the world's gherkin capital. |
15:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
Has anyone in here actually met me in person? Just curious |
15:34 |
Dimsler |
neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds |
15:34 |
Dimsler |
they are just bad |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you should be keeping the list! |
15:34 |
Dimsler |
no offence |
15:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
it's too long |
15:35 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D |
15:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i hate decentral, no worries |
15:35 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D |
15:35 |
Dimsler |
i know |
15:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye toronto conf was dope actually |
15:35 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It is for me :D |
15:35 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i can get poutine and bagged milk |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
is bagged milk a breast reference ? |
15:36 |
Dimsler |
the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami |
15:36 |
The20YearIRCloud |
No, but it could easily (Maybe should) be |
15:36 |
Dimsler |
some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC |
15:36 |
Dimsler |
because you get alot of finance guys involved |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4 |
15:36 |
assbot |
Butters - "Do You Know What I Am Saying?" - YouTube |
15:36 |
The20YearIRCloud |
won't the next NYC conference require a license to attend? |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it'll require a license to leave. |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
will i have to send my assistant instead? |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am |
15:38 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;bcregister JuliaTourianski_ 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG |
15:38 |
gribble |
Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. |
15:38 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already |
15:39 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler make sure you reg then! |
15:39 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, is it failry anon? |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress |
15:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
changeaddress |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler well no, people generally know each other. |
15:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
thats' what the wiki says |
15:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
right |
15:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;changeaddress |
15:40 |
gribble |
(changeaddress <bitcoinaddress>) -- Changes your registered address to <bitcoinaddress>. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command. |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then. |
15:41 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
15:41 |
Dimsler |
no i understand what you mean |
15:41 |
thestringpuller |
yay. send in the hobos! |
15:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
(changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG) |
15:41 |
thestringpuller |
i kid i kid. |
15:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
arg i feel so noobish. |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
check out the lisp chick. |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG |
15:42 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:42 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG |
15:42 |
gribble |
Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:183f6fd27c774070bb9152f6b72d592a8a5a07b24937afd0dbafce49 |
15:42 |
Dimsler |
wait a minute |
15:42 |
bounce |
yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!? |
15:42 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
yay done |
15:42 |
Dimsler |
are you the brave the world chick? |
15:42 |
bounce |
not done |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ you'll have to confirm it. |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i think it does |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it has a ... PYTHON evaluator :D |
15:42 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
well almost |
15:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye brave the world |
15:43 |
bounce |
gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well. |
15:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ok how do i confirm it |
15:43 |
thestringpuller |
nanotube is a ghost |
15:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
it gave a challenge string |
15:43 |
thestringpuller |
he also doesn't acknowledge pull requests :P |
15:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
do you have an electrum wallet Julia? |
15:44 |
bounce |
you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen nanotube |
15:44 |
gribble |
nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <nanotube> heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :) |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
not that ghostly. |
15:44 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
yes electrum |
15:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
is the addreess you used from electrum? |
15:45 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
if so, right click your address >> sign/verify |
15:45 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......" |
15:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
so i go into electrum console and i type in .... |
15:46 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
easier to just right click the address you used |
15:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i have the old version |
15:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
how old? - still believe you can right click addr to sign |
15:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
oh sign verify msg? |
15:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right |
15:47 |
thestringpuller |
is it similar to bitcoind? |
15:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
not really |
15:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
wow. fucking cool. |
15:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i was wondering what that was for |
15:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 201 @ 0.01125995 = 2.2632 BTC [-] {2} |
15:48 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes good times |
15:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
now what command to I use to verify with the signature? |
15:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
in here |
15:49 |
thestringpuller |
;;bcverify |
15:49 |
gribble |
(bcverify <signedmessage>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing the <signedmessage> which contains the challenge string signed with your bitcoin address of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). |
15:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yep that one |
15:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
;;bcverify G3nn80TtrApV3CjPg47bzTpWasmbOy0Yt+634HunWwuJcoe5kZ6mrAAD9epPR0fbyQF0UqEcGIJSrcgJEKborN4= |
15:49 |
gribble |
Successfully changed address for user JuliaTourianski_ from None to 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG. You are now authenticated for user 'JuliaTourianski_' with address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG |
15:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref |
15:50 |
Dimsler |
yes |
15:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
nice. ty all |
15:50 |
Dimsler |
please pm |
15:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ok. great |
15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up eizodo |
15:51 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
!up RagnarDanneskjol |
15:51 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
gah. |
15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Dimsler |
15:51 |
Dimsler |
thanks |
15:51 |
Dimsler |
i gotta get out my original wallet |
15:52 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance? |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here. |
15:52 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:52 |
Dimsler |
i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever |
15:52 |
Dimsler |
from like 2011 |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run |
15:53 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
will anyone b at the vegas inside btc? |
15:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
okee |
15:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes Julia - I will |
15:53 |
eizodo |
thanks |
15:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
me and my dogs |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ? |
15:53 |
Dimsler |
yeah i know |
15:53 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to |
15:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
vegas is a good one |
15:54 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ive only been to 3 conferences |
15:54 |
Dimsler |
the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot. |
15:54 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc? |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
bwahaha the gems in the log. |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
22:23:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
22:23:50 mircea_popescu: hanbot o right. pannacotta |
15:54 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all |
15:55 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually |
15:55 |
danielpbarron |
;;rate JuliaTourianski__ 1 https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld |
15:55 |
assbot |
YOUR HYDRA (BraveTheWorld) | Twitter |
15:55 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
15:55 |
Dimsler |
come do nyc with us |
15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ? |
15:55 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ill be in NYC right after vegas |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
What that did - average of 100 daily hits o.O |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
it is awesome |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
good steam does the body good |
15:56 |
kakobrekla |
whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time? |
15:56 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I own a russian bathhouse mircea_popescu |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler im not old enough for bathhouses yet |
15:56 |
danielpbarron |
JuliaTourianski_, glad to see you joined :D |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, lol oh common |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
i'm not old either |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
15:56 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, which one? |
15:57 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
banya.ca |
15:57 |
Dimsler |
lol no way? |
15:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
in russia or canada? |
15:57 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
way |
15:57 |
Dimsler |
how does this place compare to the one in york? |
15:57 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I took cody wilson and amir there |
15:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i wonder if that'd do well in Columbus or cleveland |
15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely. |
15:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though |
15:58 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients? |
15:58 |
Dimsler |
the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness |
15:58 |
Dimsler |
which is entertaining as hell |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle. |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yeah |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours. |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways |
15:59 |
Dimsler |
my russians been getting worse and worse |
15:59 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
nice |
15:59 |
Dimsler |
they taught us russian in school |
16:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
which = good cuz russians are cheap and difficult :P |
16:00 |
Dimsler |
lol |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ only the boys. |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the girls are cheap and easy. |
16:00 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food |
16:00 |
Dimsler |
the girls rock |
16:00 |
Dimsler |
probably some of the most realistic attitudes |
16:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
you would know |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler plus can drink. |
16:01 |
Dimsler |
lol well i'm polish |
16:01 |
Dimsler |
so the polish girls can drink too |
16:01 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually |
16:01 |
Dimsler |
but too westernized and complacant |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
;;import polish_jokes.h |
16:01 |
gribble |
Error: "import" is not a valid command. |
16:01 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Then you should overprice it for locals :D |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
it should be, gribble. |
16:01 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out |
16:01 |
Dimsler |
i've heard about it |
16:02 |
The20YearIRCloud |
maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins |
16:02 |
Dimsler |
lol do you accept btc? |
16:02 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large |
16:02 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Does he run it and you help manage? |
16:02 |
Dimsler |
holy cow |
16:02 |
Dimsler |
the food menu looks delicious |
16:02 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah, it does look good, russian is good stuff |
16:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
only had it twice though :( |
16:03 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
yes we are accepting BTC this season :) |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
almost as good as romanian :D |
16:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I wouldn't know romanian if my life depended on it |
16:03 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :) |
16:04 |
Dimsler |
next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out |
16:04 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc. |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc. |
16:04 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler please do |
16:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i thought baklava was greek |
16:05 |
Dimsler |
neg |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
16:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler ill beat you with a venik |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
romanians just steal all the foods. |
16:05 |
Dimsler |
i thought it was turkish? |
16:05 |
bounce |
"manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh. |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah i gotta refine my rating here. |
16:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu they generally steal |
16:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+bounce guilty |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga. |
16:06 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1. |
16:06 |
Dimsler |
well everyone stole pączki from us |
16:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
they're really catching on Dimsler |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
paczki are romanian. |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google pogacele reteta |
16:07 |
Dimsler |
lies |
16:07 |
gribble |
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16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
BUCATE ROMANESTI bitch |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs. |
16:08 |
Dimsler |
yes i know |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
(tbh, these were stolen in the 1600s) |
16:08 |
Dimsler |
i have lots of romanian friends |
16:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get |
16:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican |
16:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well, texicanized mexican |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty of mexican restaurants in yurp |
16:09 |
Dimsler |
The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe |
16:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low |
16:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :( |
16:09 |
Dimsler |
i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
see los mexikas in vienna if there. |
16:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Ever try a brazilian steakhouse? |
16:09 |
Dimsler |
yesss |
16:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
we've got at least 2 in columbus now |
16:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
One does brunch for $21.95 and it's amazing |
16:10 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
16:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
http://www.rodiziogrill.com/ |
16:10 |
assbot |
Rodizio Grill - The Brazilian Steakhouse |
16:10 |
mthreat |
i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas. |
16:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
what'd they serve? |
16:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
what is even "texan" food ? |
16:11 |
Dimsler |
fried pigs feet |
16:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ |
16:12 |
mthreat |
mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda what i figured. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya. |
16:13 |
mthreat |
but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions, |
16:13 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu what happened to ur twatter account |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. texas i mean. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i also spent time in mexico, and yes, that's a thing. |
16:13 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
tiramisu is shit in italy. |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy. |
16:14 |
Dimsler |
lol |
16:14 |
Dimsler |
twatter |
16:15 |
Dimsler |
good riddance |
16:15 |
Dimsler |
not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery |
16:16 |
X-Rob |
I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each. |
16:16 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me. |
16:16 |
X-Rob |
Highly Recommended. |
16:16 |
Dimsler |
see |
16:16 |
jurov |
i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory. |
16:16 |
Dimsler |
got peer pressured |
16:16 |
The20YearIRCloud |
taco bell is novelty food |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months |
16:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
do you have any chipotles in romania? |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud nope |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes. |
16:19 |
bounce |
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475 |
16:19 |
assbot |
BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy' |
16:19 |
mthreat |
http://damelamochila.tk/ |
16:19 |
assbot |
DAME LA MOCHILA |
16:19 |
Duffer1 |
ya saw that bounce |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
is it memeizing ? |
16:20 |
Duffer1 |
50b divestment |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
it really should be damelamochisha.amigo |
16:20 |
Duffer1 |
i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is |
16:20 |
bounce |
do some research |
16:20 |
The20YearIRCloud |
bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group |
16:21 |
Duffer1 |
i'm not that curious :P |
16:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m |
16:21 |
Duffer1 |
b not m |
16:22 |
The20YearIRCloud |
No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
"The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million." |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
so, no 50bn |
16:22 |
The20YearIRCloud |
From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed. |
16:23 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments |
16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
china does 1 trn worth of coal plants a year. |
16:23 |
bounce |
who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil |
16:23 |
The20YearIRCloud |
like peak copper in the 70s |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce everyone, basically. |
16:24 |
Duffer1 |
the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment |
16:24 |
Duffer1 |
pledged even |
16:24 |
The20YearIRCloud |
they were wrong |
16:24 |
bounce |
guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there. |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well. |
16:25 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
16:25 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.13, Best ask: 402.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 402.13, 24 hour volume: 12796.14663601, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.367047136 |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me! |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder why this would be. |
16:25 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Almost like it's run by marketing firms |
16:26 |
Duffer1 |
i see it's not them alone |
16:26 |
Duffer1 |
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475 |
16:26 |
assbot |
BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy' |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal. |
16:26 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And that it's a easy pill to sell to idiot individuals |
16:26 |
bounce |
it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho |
16:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+] |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that. |
16:27 |
The20YearIRCloud |
What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion? |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
0.1% |
16:27 |
The20YearIRCloud |
All smoke and mirrors to try and make renewables work better |
16:27 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal. |
16:28 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course. |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work. |
16:28 |
mats_cd03 |
solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk. |
16:28 |
Duffer1 |
political packaging :/ |
16:28 |
bounce |
time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together |
16:28 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro. |
16:29 |
mats_cd03 |
lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?) |
16:29 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid. |
16:29 |
The20YearIRCloud |
depends on how you calculate nuclear |
16:29 |
mats_cd03 |
hydro talk is stupid, thats why |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
but where that is satisfied, they work. |
16:29 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P |
16:29 |
mats_cd03 |
everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part. |
16:30 |
bounce |
so what's the exponent? :-p |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 that doesn't make it not work. |
16:30 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And places like hoover dam work extraordinarily well |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point. |
16:30 |
mats_cd03 |
didn't dispute it works. just not interesting. |
16:30 |
bounce |
dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p |
16:30 |
The20YearIRCloud |
"interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce neither of these are criteria. |
16:31 |
mats_cd03 |
its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades |
16:31 |
bounce |
oh yes they are. |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection. |
16:31 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yes, they will start using people as fuel |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises" |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody's promising jack. |
16:31 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether |
16:31 |
mats_cd03 |
via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup |
16:31 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well, higher prices |
16:31 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Our local power co-op is seriously looking at small nukes |
16:32 |
mats_cd03 |
thats nice. 'looking'. |
16:32 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while |
16:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud unless they blow up. |
16:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for |
16:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG |
16:33 |
Duffer1 |
JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general? |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
a those things |
16:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on |
16:33 |
The20YearIRCloud |
So the grid costs go down severely |
16:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically |
16:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
first part is about crypto specifically, vid next week will be about what we're discussing here http://youtu.be/KybZAEm0stY |
16:35 |
assbot |
Engineers vs.Thugs: the Power of Bitcoin, Cryptography &Tech - YouTube |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"the entire picture of our future" ? |
16:36 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing |
16:36 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
hexyert |
16:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world" |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
"Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ? |
16:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye burner love the hexyert |
16:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
hexayurt* |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ? |
16:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu |
16:40 |
mats_cd03 |
heh |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
what's very cheap ? 7 dollars/lb ? |
16:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing |
16:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300. |
16:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
open source is key |
16:42 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Skilled builders is key |
16:42 |
bounce |
how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then? |
16:42 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah the builders matter. |
16:44 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
anyone can build these things |
16:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery |
16:44 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now |
16:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing |
16:45 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
16:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants |
16:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
world will be saved via compost toilets :P |
16:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing |
16:46 |
bounce |
well, nasa has a fix for that |
16:46 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I have a fix for that too - simple education |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ you built one ? |
16:46 |
bounce |
piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you |
16:46 |
ben_vulpes |
hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered. |
16:47 |
kakobrekla |
'ghash' sound linda like 'jihad'? |
16:47 |
bounce |
like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do. |
16:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works |
16:47 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
16:47 |
ben_vulpes |
http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html |
16:47 |
assbot |
Frameless Geodesic Dome |
16:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+ben_vulpes what makes u say that |
16:47 |
ben_vulpes |
(linked previously) |
16:47 |
kakobrekla |
*kinda |
16:47 |
ben_vulpes |
having been in them. |
16:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey. |
16:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
instead* |
16:47 |
ben_vulpes |
i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller? |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice. |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this readily recurses into divergence. |
16:48 |
assbot |
Dimsler +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Dimsler |
16:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder |
16:48 |
Dimsler |
wait |
16:49 |
Dimsler |
whats assbots problem |
16:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from? |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident Dimsler |
16:49 |
gribble |
Nick 'Dimsler', with hostmask 'Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net', is identified as user 'Dimsler', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1NQqDhT9kvXD8vtUyPZmhr935EzyW2ybjU |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot Dimsler |
16:49 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013 |
16:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+ben_vulpes vinay loves fuller |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler you need wot rating. |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud ebay! |
16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate Dimsler 1 New blood |
16:50 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Dimsler has been recorded. |
16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
there, try now. |
16:50 |
Dimsler |
excellent |
16:50 |
Dimsler |
finally |
16:51 |
ben_vulpes |
JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather. |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
so how do the plates stick together anyway ? |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
bolted or what |
16:51 |
ben_vulpes |
bolted, yeah. |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
and if windy ? |
16:51 |
ben_vulpes |
load condition? |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, 10kpa |
16:52 |
Dimsler |
are people going to be living in this shit? |
16:52 |
ben_vulpes |
The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood. |
16:52 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing? |
16:52 |
Dimsler |
you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers |
16:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic |
16:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
*plastic |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes that thing ain't lifting off. |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's falling apart. |
16:52 |
Dimsler |
aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap |
16:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold |
16:52 |
Dimsler |
its the man power that is unaffordable |
16:52 |
Dimsler |
refer to the restoration of Rome |
16:53 |
ben_vulpes |
The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it. |
16:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!up RagnarsBitch |
16:53 |
ben_vulpes |
jesus it's like engineering never happened around here. |
16:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Let me find the exact R value |
16:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4 |
16:53 |
ben_vulpes |
plus straw? |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
4 is better than 0. |
16:53 |
ben_vulpes |
also source? |
16:53 |
Dimsler |
lol nobody is going to live in that. |
16:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft_corrugated_sheets_panels;pg102948.html |
16:53 |
assbot |
4mm Twin-Wall Corrugated Plastic 8' Wide - FarmTek |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler people with no other option. |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30 |
16:54 |
ben_vulpes |
The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ? |
16:54 |
Dimsler |
in africa theres plenty of access to clay |
16:54 |
ben_vulpes |
this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered. |
16:54 |
Dimsler |
and clay structures |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10 |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler clay is slow to work tho |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine |
16:54 |
Dimsler |
i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes |
16:54 |
ben_vulpes |
oh yeah shit |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10 |
16:54 |
ben_vulpes |
i really need a pressed shitboard housebox |
16:55 |
ben_vulpes |
made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes |
16:55 |
Dimsler |
The20YearIRCloud, exactly |
16:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance |
16:55 |
ben_vulpes |
for a retarded markup |
16:55 |
Dimsler |
wait |
16:55 |
Dimsler |
if we are all in agreement |
16:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
How many of you here live in brick houses? |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction. |
16:55 |
Dimsler |
then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes? |
16:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Brick is how many centuries old? |
16:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
How old is cement? |
16:55 |
Dimsler |
The20YearIRCloud, exactly |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think. |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
the romans used it. |
16:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics? |
16:56 |
Dimsler |
oh thats Julia girl was talking about it |
16:56 |
Dimsler |
man thats ridicluous |
16:56 |
Dimsler |
nobody is going to live in that |
16:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ? |
16:56 |
Dimsler |
LOL |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it. |
16:57 |
Dimsler |
they can buy regular tents? |
16:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
How long does it take to mail plastic sheeting to Africa? |
16:57 |
Dimsler |
if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide |
16:57 |
Dimsler |
is the white man should just leave the blacks alone |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud yeah well. |
16:57 |
ben_vulpes |
or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing |
16:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well |
16:57 |
ben_vulpes |
see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation. |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes link ? |
16:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod |
16:58 |
ben_vulpes |
!s pauper |
16:58 |
assbot |
33 results for 'pauper' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pauper |
16:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters |
16:59 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man |
16:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
heck, body heat would keep em warm |
16:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And tents are bad? |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries" |
16:59 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
tents r shit |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
IPFS doesn't like torium |
17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
tents a shit |
17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
indeed |
17:00 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, for who? |
17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious |
17:00 |
The20YearIRCloud |
hipsters at burning man? |
17:00 |
HeySteve |
+The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ |
17:00 |
assbot |
The BioCycle by AgriProtein and Bear Valley Ventures - YouTube |
17:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
? |
17:00 |
ben_vulpes |
"hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL" |
17:00 |
Dimsler |
lol who cares about hipsters at burning man |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
it is pretty funny |
17:01 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: that's quite cool |
17:01 |
HeySteve |
yeah gonna start using them for fish feed |
17:01 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production |
17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn |
17:01 |
ben_vulpes |
i mean w.t.f. |
17:01 |
Dimsler |
a cattle sized meat grinder |
17:01 |
Dimsler |
should be wheeled into burning man |
17:03 |
jurov |
from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt |
17:03 |
jurov |
and inside it a small one |
17:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting? |
17:03 |
jurov |
domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler why the hate ? kids gotta gather somewhere. |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ? |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs. |
17:04 |
jurov |
you were yourself? |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
i was what? |
17:04 |
jurov |
ion burning man |
17:04 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx? |
17:04 |
Dimsler |
if you're 25 acting like a kid |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
a few times yeah jurov |
17:04 |
Dimsler |
its a little different |
17:04 |
jurov |
they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS? |
17:05 |
ben_vulpes |
"get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler |
17:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: do you have more info on this fly thing? |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler nah, in civilised society as old as 26. |
17:05 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there |
17:05 |
ben_vulpes |
i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer |
17:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway |
17:07 |
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mircea_popescu |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272 << this bash thing |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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17:17 |
HeySteve |
The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here |
17:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms |
17:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
How are the larva harvested? |
17:17 |
HeySteve |
this is a good guide: http://www.ie.unc.edu/for_students/courses/capstone/13/bsfl_how-to_guide.pdf |
17:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Great |
17:17 |
HeySteve |
the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
like silkworms huh |
17:20 |
HeySteve |
I'm not sure, never kept silkworms |
17:23 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: and into harvesting stations? |
17:24 |
HeySteve |
yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even |
17:25 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Alright, and they're eaten live by the animals? |
17:28 |
HeySteve |
yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish |
17:28 |
jurov |
chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms |
17:29 |
jurov |
rather the opposite |
17:31 |
assbot |
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17:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
two nice-ish buys today, joy |
17:38 |
The20YearIRCloud |
chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food) |
17:38 |
The20YearIRCloud |
granted that doesn't work in winter |
17:42 |
assbot |
moldysnizz +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:42 |
HeySteve |
you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste |
17:45 |
kakobrekla |
!up moldysnizz |
17:46 |
moldysnizz |
Thanks, kakobrekla! |
17:47 |
kakobrekla |
yw |
17:47 |
kakobrekla |
!s moldysnizz |
17:47 |
assbot |
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17:48 |
kakobrekla |
not much of a talker |
17:48 |
kakobrekla |
not that there anything wrong with that |
17:49 |
moldysnizz |
heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage. |
17:49 |
moldysnizz |
moldy is my fallback. |
17:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: that setup looks quite great |
17:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb |
17:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
would help with doing batches |
17:57 |
Dimsler |
ground beef is 40cents /lb |
17:57 |
Dimsler |
and thats a 70/30 mix |
17:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
where? |
17:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems |
18:05 |
jurov |
you should prolly should IPO it on havelock |
18:05 |
jurov |
MAGGOTMINER |
18:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yeah |
18:07 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The concern I have is would be getting the waste |
18:07 |
The20YearIRCloud |
They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste. |
18:07 |
jurov |
can prolly be crowdsourced |
18:09 |
Dimsler |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY |
18:09 |
assbot |
Thief - Opening Scene - YouTube |
18:09 |
HeySteve |
heh maggotminer |
18:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock |
18:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them. |
18:10 |
HeySteve |
better than sending it to landfill I'd say! |
18:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Sure |
18:11 |
HeySteve |
a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik |
18:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight |
18:11 |
HeySteve |
fishmeal has risen a lot this year: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=fish-meal |
18:11 |
assbot |
Fishmeal - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi |
18:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs. |
18:12 |
HeySteve |
nice |
18:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste |
18:13 |
The20YearIRCloud |
it has to be from indoor breeding/feeding areas |
18:13 |
HeySteve |
right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case |
18:13 |
HeySteve |
I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg. |
18:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL? |
18:14 |
HeySteve |
and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too |
18:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand |
18:15 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled? |
18:16 |
HeySteve |
well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion |
18:16 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla was that your intention |
18:16 |
jurov |
btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds |
18:16 |
HeySteve |
so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done |
18:16 |
HeySteve |
(in theory) |
18:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm a real big fan of tilapia |
18:17 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla well? |
18:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them |
18:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
that'd be quite interesting |
18:18 |
HeySteve |
hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed |
18:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything |
18:19 |
The20YearIRCloud |
the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves |
18:19 |
HeySteve |
right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade |
18:19 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression |
18:19 |
HeySteve |
and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding |
18:20 |
HeySteve |
but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them |
18:21 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla what is it based on? intuition... |
18:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem |
18:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water |
18:21 |
HeySteve |
well I am going to test out an impeller system |
18:21 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla i am curious to your line of thought |
18:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor |
18:22 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_, just a whisper, i hear it in my ghost but seriously, you never answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839995 |
18:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ? |
18:22 |
Dimsler |
cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner |
18:22 |
Dimsler |
she doesn't understand |
18:22 |
HeySteve |
yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well |
18:23 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it. |
18:23 |
Dimsler |
no |
18:23 |
Dimsler |
lol |
18:23 |
HeySteve |
the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case |
18:23 |
Dimsler |
you're just associated with the mainstream clownery |
18:23 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings? |
18:23 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
amir? mainstream? |
18:24 |
Dimsler |
yes ofcourse |
18:24 |
Dimsler |
amir taaki and the etherium clowns |
18:24 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing. |
18:24 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start |
18:25 |
Dimsler |
yeah i know |
18:25 |
Dimsler |
even went to the bilderberg group |
18:25 |
Dimsler |
alex jones that clown |
18:25 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings? |
18:25 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead |
18:25 |
Dimsler |
years ago |
18:26 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh |
18:26 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know |
18:26 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla don't cherry pick info. |
18:26 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know. |
18:26 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent |
18:27 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? |
18:27 |
HeySteve |
JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above? |
18:27 |
Dimsler |
no we don't care in here that you have a vagina |
18:27 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
yeah i did |
18:27 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black |
18:27 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
everyone cares. lol it's naive to say you don;t |
18:27 |
Dimsler |
no seriously |
18:27 |
Dimsler |
you're in the wrong channel if you think that |
18:28 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways |
18:28 |
HeySteve |
ok well tell him he was wrong about GHash cartel monopolising Bitcoin mining as per anarchists: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs |
18:28 |
assbot |
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18:28 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon? |
18:28 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure |
18:28 |
HeySteve |
that happened briefly but it didn't last |
18:29 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo |
18:29 |
Dimsler |
cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite |
18:29 |
Dimsler |
seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? |
18:29 |
Dimsler |
like i think shes got her work cut out for her |
18:30 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works |
18:30 |
Dimsler |
Trace Mayer lol |
18:30 |
cazalla |
Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails |
18:31 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers |
18:31 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies. |
18:32 |
Dimsler |
well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets |
18:32 |
Dimsler |
what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home? |
18:32 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it |
18:32 |
Dimsler |
if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical |
18:32 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler cuz you can do watch only wallets etc. |
18:32 |
Dimsler |
so yeah |
18:33 |
Dimsler |
completely unnecessary |
18:33 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff |
18:33 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I didn;t come out of "nowhere" i was a lib since HS |
18:33 |
Dimsler |
mmm austrian school of economics |
18:33 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler completely necessary |
18:34 |
BingoBoingo |
<JuliaTourianski_> I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior? |
18:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no? |
18:35 |
Dimsler |
nobody has dismissed you? |
18:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BingoBoingo they always work on their feedback no? |
18:35 |
Dimsler |
no |
18:35 |
Dimsler |
they don't |
18:35 |
HeySteve |
is the phone home issue fixed or what? |
18:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler saying someone is behind my content is dismissive ye |
18:35 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff. |
18:36 |
cazalla |
julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets |
18:36 |
BingoBoingo |
If they do that... What else can they do? |
18:36 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Jondo |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit logs. |
18:36 |
Dimsler |
!up BCB |
18:36 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd. |
18:36 |
Dimsler |
lol |
18:36 |
danielpbarron |
JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh? |
18:36 |
BCB |
Dimsler: thx |
18:37 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive |
18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!s Armory phone home |
18:37 |
assbot |
3 results for 'Armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Armory+phone+home |
18:37 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language |
18:37 |
Dimsler |
shes russian |
18:37 |
Dimsler |
i can't tell if born or not |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
how did you come to that conclusion ? |
18:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers? |
18:37 |
Dimsler |
cause shes got an accent |
18:38 |
BCB |
French Canadian? |
18:38 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, yes |
18:38 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#795113 |
18:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-08-2014 23:30:06; mike_c: armory phones home with a hash of your home directory |
18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler accents make girls be eaten out ? |
18:39 |
Dimsler |
oh noo |
18:39 |
danielpbarron |
lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo |
18:39 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D |
18:39 |
BCB |
She sounds like Celine dion |
18:39 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron |
18:39 |
danielpbarron |
you trust vitalik?? |
18:39 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik |
18:39 |
Dimsler |
wahahahha |
18:39 |
Dimsler |
vitalik |
18:39 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P |
18:39 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
buying bitcoins off me |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
ages ago |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
complete fucking boob |
18:40 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language. |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme |
18:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
armory is not good |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao celine dion. |
18:40 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BCB it's russian |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
myth dispselled |
18:40 |
BCB |
Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
can |
18:40 |
Dimsler |
fully deny vitaliks intelligence |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB wut ?! |
18:40 |
danielpbarron |
"i don't trust him but i trust him." hm, ok |
18:40 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: interesting... |
18:41 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy |
18:41 |
Dimsler |
vitalik is not a smart guy |
18:41 |
Dimsler |
what are you talking about |
18:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun see it. |
18:41 |
cazalla |
!up julles |
18:41 |
Dimsler |
ethereium is a joke |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
what makes you think vitalik is smart ? |
18:41 |
BCB |
Dimsler: We can disagree |
18:41 |
Dimsler |
sure |
18:41 |
BingoBoingo |
<JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good. |
18:41 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin. |
18:41 |
Dimsler |
man didn't amir lose a toe or something |
18:42 |
Dimsler |
in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at? |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB specifically. |
18:42 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice? |
18:42 |
danielpbarron |
well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it |
18:42 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same. |
18:42 |
Dimsler |
danielpbarron, vitalik is broke |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ you have much to learn. |
18:42 |
Dimsler |
he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts |
18:42 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer. |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB you are not saying anything specific. |
18:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler he likes psychedelics & M |
18:43 |
Dimsler |
Tolstoy is a good writer |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is" |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
wd, but that's idiocy in action. |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
!up julles |
18:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu yes I do. |
18:43 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person? |
18:43 |
julles |
cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;) |
18:43 |
danielpbarron |
what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that? |
18:43 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video |
18:43 |
Dimsler |
mean jack shit for bitcoin |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation. |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
a point shrem is not able to regret enough. |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
yes |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
well shrem straigh tup |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
funded a tonne of silkroaders |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
and he knew about it |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
and he also laundered everyones elses cash |
18:44 |
Dimsler |
bless that man |
18:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water. |
18:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu ya'll are cherry picking. |
18:45 |
BCB |
Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage., |
18:45 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding? |
18:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it works the other way around. |
18:45 |
BCB |
for copping a plea and being an informant |
18:45 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat |
18:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ahah semantics now |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
18:45 |
Dimsler |
and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community |
18:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
did u see the LINE i gave shrem |
18:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
"we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune" |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i did not. |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
uh... mkay ? |
18:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
is that lost on u lot? |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
that dun make much sense to me |
18:46 |
Dimsler |
i get the pun |
18:46 |
Dimsler |
i mean whats the point? |
18:46 |
Dimsler |
shrem wasn't some god |
18:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. |
18:46 |
Dimsler |
lol guy also sold out early |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao |
18:46 |
Dimsler |
lol |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ soooo ? |
18:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
so the line is perfect. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me, |
18:47 |
Dimsler |
how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
and now he'll make a career out of prison lyf. |
18:47 |
Dimsler |
the most communist socialized shit hole |
18:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes |
18:47 |
Dimsler |
on the entire planet |
18:47 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc. |
18:48 |
Dimsler |
yeah i know |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
generally people make one mistake. |
18:48 |
Dimsler |
nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL |
18:48 |
BCB |
+1 |
18:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
18:48 |
ben_vulpes |
nah, i just have a lot of man beef. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing personal whatsoever. |
18:48 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ahhaha |
18:48 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care |
18:49 |
Dimsler |
those guys don't effect bitcoin |
18:49 |
Dimsler |
or its growth |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little. |
18:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah |
18:49 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys |
18:49 |
Dimsler |
we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention |
18:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
that would look gaudy |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert |
18:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
there are credits down below |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
never seen before. |
18:49 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
in the order of speaker |
18:50 |
Dimsler |
oh lawdy |
18:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler ahah therefore everyone |
18:50 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days |
18:50 |
Dimsler |
BCB, no? no wai? |
18:50 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it! |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
expert is what junior used to be in the 90s |
18:50 |
BCB |
Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now. |
18:50 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock? |
18:51 |
kakobrekla |
;;google ciphershed |
18:51 |
gribble |
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18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ he your bf or something ? |
18:51 |
Dimsler |
you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin? |
18:51 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu everyone is my bf obviously |
18:51 |
Dimsler |
nooo |
18:51 |
Dimsler |
beta orbiters |
18:51 |
Dimsler |
not boyfriends |
18:52 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise? |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler is a beta orbiter what i imagine it is ? |
18:52 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
bahaha |
18:52 |
Dimsler |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beta+orbiter |
18:52 |
assbot |
Urban Dictionary: Beta orbiter |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ? |
18:52 |
Dimsler |
yes |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
check me out i can guess teenthings! |
18:53 |
Dimsler |
well Julia is still here |
18:53 |
Dimsler |
i guess she staying? |
18:53 |
Dimsler |
can we at least get some nuds? |
18:53 |
Dimsler |
nudes |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name. |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again |
18:53 |
Dimsler |
long and forgetten |
18:54 |
Duffer1 |
the reporter? |
18:54 |
Duffer1 |
i forget.. |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nono. brunette. |
18:54 |
jurov |
saffron? |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
a right! |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
had that snazzy vid to gif website |
18:55 |
cazalla |
she has some new bitcoin videos |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ? |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla nething good ? |
18:55 |
Dimsler |
i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing |
18:55 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties? |
18:55 |
Dimsler |
the first few videos she had were good |
18:55 |
Dimsler |
about actual anarchy |
18:56 |
Dimsler |
then it turned into a btc obsession |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler who you talking about ? |
18:56 |
Dimsler |
Julia |
18:56 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu ew |
18:56 |
cazalla |
judge for yourself http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=828999051 |
18:56 |
assbot |
401 Authorization Required |
18:56 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler why cant i have my own agenda? |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler why does she have to have an agenda ? |
18:56 |
Dimsler |
interesting |
18:57 |
Dimsler |
well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain |
18:57 |
BingoBoingo |
The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work? |
18:57 |
Dimsler |
there should be something to solute |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ? |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama. |
18:57 |
Dimsler |
hence i'm curious about what the agenda is |
18:57 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley |
18:57 |
cazalla |
if there was ever a guy still in the closet.. |
18:57 |
assbot |
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18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 2 |
18:57 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
darn you cazalla cockblocking my !b's |
18:58 |
cazalla |
lol |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and matt drudge is more in the closet. |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ever seen the man's hats ?! |
18:58 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history |
18:58 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside |
18:58 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler disagree |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
well then you've obviously haven't read much history |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ? |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
seeing as anarchism has been rampant |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's my hot body and i can do what i want" ? |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
up until the mid 1800s |
18:59 |
jurov |
anarchy will rule!!1 |
18:59 |
cazalla |
in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_ |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
OH |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
dont mention |
18:59 |
Dimsler |
andreas in here |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
please |
19:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye. |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
all of that |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy" |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
operated on pen and paper |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
lol |
19:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler i like andreas a lot |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
you would lol |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
andreas was great |
19:00 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu absence of state |
19:00 |
Dimsler |
right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch |
19:00 |
BCB |
Andreas is a bitcoin expert |
19:01 |
Dimsler |
andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any |
19:01 |
BCB |
andreas is writing the bitcoin book |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically. |
19:01 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is |
19:01 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu Anselme Bellegarrigue style |
19:01 |
Dimsler |
no horse shit |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nm teh style. |
19:01 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale. |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
!up dnaleor |
19:01 |
Dimsler |
smaller scale |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ what's your definition of scale ? |
19:02 |
Dimsler |
what the fuck are you talking about? |
19:02 |
Dimsler |
during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french |
19:02 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure |
19:02 |
Dimsler |
i mean german fairy tales |
19:02 |
Dimsler |
before napoleon came and raped germany |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
scarcity resolved ? |
19:02 |
Dimsler |
were of the "times that were" |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition. |
19:02 |
punkman |
3d printing!!!111 |
19:03 |
Dimsler |
where every kingdom was 15km down the road |
19:03 |
Dimsler |
plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy |
19:03 |
Dimsler |
if youw ant to talk about civilized history |
19:03 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury |
19:03 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
energy is the last peice |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
you're being ridiculous. |
19:03 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time |
19:04 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved. |
19:04 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
in the soviet union i mean |
19:04 |
Dimsler |
ofcourse they did |
19:04 |
Dimsler |
but if you want to talk about communism |
19:04 |
punkman |
there's no black market without state |
19:04 |
Dimsler |
exactly |
19:05 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada? |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised. |
19:05 |
Dimsler |
yes |
19:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov. |
19:05 |
Dimsler |
i remember when i was a kid |
19:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
born in the soviet union. |
19:05 |
Dimsler |
my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines |
19:05 |
Dimsler |
while we needed a fridge |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
went right to the market with the washing machine |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
if you want to apply that to canada |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
and %8 black market |
19:06 |
Dimsler |
if not considerably less |
19:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
no |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
taaki is just a fucking joke |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
vehement criticism does not equate bias |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
he should have stayed off the fucking drugs |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
and kept workign and programming |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots |
19:07 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I'm not here to defend Taaki |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
not sitting around squating in a flat |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
and losing his toe |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened. |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
!up BCB |
19:07 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, lies |
19:07 |
punkman |
taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta |
19:08 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
19:08 |
gribble |
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19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound. |
19:08 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
what's wrong with squatting? |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the opposite of autonomy ? |
19:08 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
paying rent to a lord is empowering? |
19:08 |
Dimsler |
i know |
19:08 |
Dimsler |
pfft no |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
having the ability to pay rent or not is. |
19:08 |
Dimsler |
i know |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
not having that ability is not. |
19:08 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
empty building paid by taxes. |
19:08 |
BingoBoingo |
<JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop |
19:08 |
Dimsler |
money is what buys freedom |
19:08 |
Dimsler |
no see horse shit |
19:09 |
Dimsler |
your idea of anarchism |
19:09 |
Dimsler |
is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler you'll hafta start making full sentences. |
19:09 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
when did i say that |
19:09 |
Dimsler |
i know |
19:09 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
hexyurt is a great option for emergency housing |
19:10 |
BCB |
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ |
19:10 |
assbot |
Julia Tourianski - IMDb |
19:10 |
Dimsler |
how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource? |
19:10 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent |
19:10 |
BCB |
She used to be a movie star |
19:10 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
on* |
19:10 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave |
19:10 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler erm. lost me |
19:10 |
Dimsler |
they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth |
19:10 |
Dimsler |
to free yourself |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
would have been better if he picked a honest job. |
19:10 |
Dimsler |
yes |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
something with bags and groceries. |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker. |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to. |
19:11 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu not true. libbitcoin |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable" |
19:11 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!! |
19:11 |
Dimsler |
i know |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved. |
19:11 |
Dimsler |
how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ << is this actually yours ? |
19:13 |
assbot |
Julia Tourianski - IMDb |
19:13 |
Duffer1 |
tents r shit :P |
19:14 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ahahahah wow u guys really dig |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
8.1/10 rating 50 viewers, was that gamed a little ? |
19:15 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
honest job...you sound a little boxed in |
19:15 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu ? |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean... ben hur is 8.1/10 |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the truman show 8.0. cmon :) |
19:16 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu fan boys liked it and rated it i guess |
19:16 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so |
19:17 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu i didn't like it. maybe ill rate it down |
19:17 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life? |
19:17 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey! |
19:17 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+cazalla the games are pure wicked |
19:18 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh |
19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff. |
19:18 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare |
19:19 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
now* |
19:19 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
who, david purchase ? |
19:20 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
good for him. |
19:22 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met" |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
who's that ? |
19:22 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ring a bell? |
19:22 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
lol figures. i attempted to troll you ?! |
19:23 |
BCB |
don't fuck with JuliaTourianski_ http://youtu.be/4lyUNs7eNhs?t=40s |
19:23 |
assbot |
Escape From City 17 - Part Two - YouTube |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
!s "the richest man you've met" |
19:23 |
assbot |
0 results for '"the richest man you've met"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22the+richest+man+you%27ve+met%22 |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
19:23 |
Duffer1 |
space glock |
19:25 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
bahahaha i hate it so much |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something |
19:25 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I'm no actress. i was ued for my russian skillz |
19:25 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
used* |
19:25 |
Duffer1 |
no you're not bad at all |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=240 this guy |
19:25 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
19:26 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed? |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat. |
19:26 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BCB if I wanted to I did. If |
19:26 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I didin;t want to I didn't |
19:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074938 = 6.8943 BTC [-] |
19:27 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
o you do don't you. |
19:27 |
Duffer1 |
BCB5:40 |
19:27 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets |
19:27 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there. |
19:28 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also? |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize |
19:28 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
ye |
19:28 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/greenpeace-accepting-bitcoin-donations/ |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one. |
19:28 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: of course he is! |
19:29 |
BCB |
Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously. |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him. |
19:29 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I seem to be doing a lot of things lately |
19:30 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company. |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want. |
19:31 |
HeySteve |
sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below! |
19:32 |
HeySteve |
check out biofloc if you're interested |
19:33 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake! |
19:33 |
HeySteve |
in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve now that's gotta be impossible. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody cancelled mass conservation just yet. |
19:34 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu more for the "scammers" then |
19:34 |
BCB |
Speaking of Jeffrey Tucker: https://twitter.com/MyBitNation/status/513853503694204928 |
19:34 |
assbot |
Bitnation will be performing the first Bitmarriage on the Blockchain, officiated by Jeffrey A Tucker using CoinOutlet Inc /CoinsKingdom. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?! |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB is it a traditional marriage ? :D |
19:35 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: I was wondering that. |
19:35 |
HeySteve |
mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
a |
19:35 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu no honey, i was being facetious |
19:35 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly! |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
unconvincingly so. |
19:36 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney |
19:36 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB not campy enough ? |
19:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu> whose that |
19:37 |
cazalla |
she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu |
19:37 |
cazalla |
https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/513128609671041024 trolled me hard :\ |
19:37 |
assbot |
Censoring /hashtag/4chan?src=hash /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash threads isn't enough. Many /hashtag/problematic?src=hash comments, attitudes. Let's make it a /hashtag/SafeSpace?src=hash. http://t.co/vR4jJRZGo8 |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ andrea castillo |
19:37 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
she got me on here in the first place |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla lol noob. |
19:40 |
danielpbarron |
lol why is "problematic" a hashtag? |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and generally, haven't seen her in a while |
19:40 |
kakobrekla |
#i #do #what #i #want |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
#kakobrekla #tagging #language |
19:41 |
kakobrekla |
#ktl #noob |
19:41 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+danielpbarron *pats her troll on the head* aww |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud ktl |
19:41 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KTL | Feb 6, 2009 ... Download the Free App! 1. KTL. Black person, the word originated in Atherton, California. "Damn, look at that KTL." by Jiji Blancha February 06, ... |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you called me a hashnigger ?! |
19:42 |
kakobrekla |
#nfi #atthispoint |
19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
#a#obre#la |
19:42 |
kakobrekla |
## |
19:43 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0VVRQDX.txt ) |
19:43 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 4 |
19:43 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends? |
19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/?single_page=true <> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ |
19:43 |
assbot |
How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education - The Atlantic |
19:43 |
assbot |
The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted. |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep |
19:44 |
Dimsler |
lol |
19:44 |
Dimsler |
thats a good one |
19:44 |
danielpbarron |
JuliaTourianski_, say what you like :D |
19:44 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+danielpbarron I always do |
19:44 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough |
19:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed |
19:45 |
kakobrekla |
also slander available. |
19:45 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters |
19:45 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
never! |
19:45 |
danielpbarron |
not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself |
19:46 |
Dimsler |
she sits right in |
19:46 |
kakobrekla |
you mean right on? |
19:46 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+danielpbarron I'll call you europa |
19:46 |
Dimsler |
!up BCB |
19:46 |
BCB |
Thx |
19:46 |
Duffer1 |
oh snap |
19:46 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI |
19:46 |
BCB |
any opinion |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
which gabi. |
19:47 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Duffer1 crackle n' pop |
19:47 |
BCB |
mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund |
19:47 |
BCB |
Isle of Man |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing particular. |
19:47 |
Duffer1 |
sounds like a scam |
19:47 |
Dimsler |
lol |
19:48 |
Dimsler |
must steal btc |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
the guy was with jp, if it's actually him |
19:48 |
Dimsler |
lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is? |
19:48 |
Dimsler |
what happend to the winkle twins? |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well. |
19:49 |
Duffer1 |
working their way through red tape |
19:49 |
BCB |
Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling |
19:59 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist. |
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20:00 |
Dimsler |
oh common |
20:00 |
Duffer1 |
cardano |
20:00 |
Duffer1 |
minigame |
20:00 |
Dimsler |
pimp coin |
20:01 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, we need more cam 4 btc websites. |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler srsly now. |
20:01 |
Dimsler |
srs answer to srs question |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski_ i like mpex, bitbet, s.nsa, war of life, minigame etc. |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i also own parts of em |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
which reminds me, ever saw the nsa tshirt ? |
20:02 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+mircea_popescu haven't heard of any of those. probably a good sign |
20:03 |
BCB |
Dimsler: not really. I've NEVER seen a girl on line on this site! http://titsforbitcoin.com/ |
20:03 |
assbot |
Tits For Bitcoin - Bitcoin cams. Live Bitcoin webcams. Watch and earn Bitcoin. Amateur girls on live cams accept Bitcoin |
20:03 |
Dimsler |
BCB, i was just playing sarcastaball with Julia |
20:04 |
Duffer1 |
mircea_popescu, shirt? |
20:04 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: The conferences are place where guys pump there Press Releases looking for dumb money. |
20:04 |
Dimsler |
the conferences are for people without bitcoins |
20:04 |
Dimsler |
to pump up the price of my coins |
20:04 |
Dimsler |
with empty promises and shinanigans |
20:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I'm aware |
20:05 |
BCB |
Dimsler: I think it's a great use case but it's not catching on yet. |
20:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
I mainly go as a social experiment |
20:05 |
Duffer1 |
how many phone numbers can you get? |
20:05 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
something like that |
20:05 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: They are all the same after a while. Same speakers. Same stories. Same empty promises |
20:05 |
Dimsler |
lol when do we get your number? |
20:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
that's an easy thing to predict though. im not that easily entertained |
20:06 |
BCB |
JuliaTourianski_: which conferences have you been to so far |
20:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
toronto, chicago and the recent inside btc in london |
20:06 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
vegas next |
20:06 |
BCB |
Vegas was a shit show last year |
20:07 |
* |
kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception |
20:07 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
i learned a lot at each one, not from the conference itself tho |
20:07 |
BCB |
The Inside Media/Mackler Media show suck |
20:07 |
Dimsler |
did you learn the part about how each of those conferences |
20:07 |
Dimsler |
has this particulate stench of greed |
20:07 |
Dimsler |
in the air? |
20:07 |
Duffer1 |
$conference |
20:07 |
empyex |
Duffer1: Next conference starts in 6 months and 25 days. Estimated cost today: 3.28644342 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
20:07 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
u mean stench of desperation? |
20:08 |
Dimsler |
lol i once heard a guy tell me that he can't wait for the $50k/btc |
20:08 |
BCB |
empyex: where? |
20:09 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo |
20:09 |
Duffer1 |
bcb http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ |
20:09 |
assbot |
The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
20:09 |
Dimsler |
ironcing out the kinks in better exchanging |
20:09 |
Dimsler |
JuliaTourianski_, unless you're refering to developments in blockchain itself |
20:10 |
Dimsler |
if you want to artculate the blockchain as its own entity, then theres a few projects on contracts and signatures, and encryption |
20:10 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler indeed. blockchain dev has been very slow and for good reason. maybe VIAcoin will help. permisionless dev...testing ground of sorts could be helpful |
20:11 |
Dimsler |
well no |
20:11 |
Dimsler |
altcoins are things to be extremely wearyoff |
20:11 |
BCB |
Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ?? |
20:11 |
Dimsler |
very few provide even a proof of concept |
20:11 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler i know. this one feels pragmatic |
20:12 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
+Dimsler foundation simply pushed for payment improvements it seems |
20:12 |
Dimsler |
the founation at this point has little say |
20:12 |
Duffer1 |
bcb hehe it's not my shindig ask MP |
20:12 |
Dimsler |
which is a good thing |
20:13 |
Dimsler |
bitcoin is at a poitn where it operates rather autonomously |
20:13 |
Dimsler |
and anyone who needs bitcoin at this point already knows about it |
20:13 |
JuliaTourianski_ |
this is great btw- http://imgur.com/m3Wbxxa |
20:13 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
20:13 |
Dimsler |
hence the stagnated growth / wallet creation rate |
20:14 |
decimation |
lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
20:14 |
assbot |
boycott systemd |
20:14 |
decimation |
I don't accept that growth is a valid measure of bitcoin's 'success' |
20:14 |
Dimsler |
nobody said it was |
20:15 |
Dimsler |
bitcoin is already a success |
20:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00074895 = 7.467 BTC [-] |
20:15 |
Dimsler |
but the cost per transaction is still high |
20:16 |
Dimsler |
need to get back down to $1-2 |
20:16 |
kakobrekla |
i _can_ send any amount for free. anyone can. |
20:16 |
Dimsler |
well no don't sell that line to Julia |
20:16 |
Dimsler |
shes probably more interested about the actual inner workings |
20:17 |
HeySteve |
decimation, that link was funnier when I thought it referred to the black market |
20:20 |
kakobrekla |
(if its not clear to anyone, the trick is in the size and shape of unspent outputs) |
20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
HeySteve: But that one is spelt with a space and a Capital D |
20:23 |
HeySteve |
true but people waving "boycott Silk Road now!" banners is an amusing thought |
20:25 |
Dimsler |
lol |
20:25 |
Dimsler |
i think SK 2.0 is so fucking massive |
20:25 |
Dimsler |
now |
20:28 |
HeySteve |
did they pay back everything yet? |
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20:45 |
danielpbarron |
HeySteve, I think I heard thst they did |
20:52 |
mats_cd03 |
this is the most activity in ages |
20:52 |
mats_cd03 |
how are we all doing tonight? |
20:53 |
Duffer1 |
wasteland isn't as good as fallout :( |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 pretty good actually. |
20:54 |
mats_cd03 |
!s golemxiv |
20:54 |
assbot |
0 results for 'golemxiv' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=golemxiv |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<Duffer1> mircea_popescu, shirt? http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ |
20:55 |
assbot |
RNG board is here ; cute shirts bonus pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
20:55 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/09/slaves-england/ |
20:55 |
assbot |
Slaves of England » Golem XIV - Thoughts |
20:55 |
Duffer1 |
i like |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
* kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception << more practical to get local girls. |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
she may make a decent mpex rep but too soon to tell. |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
<Dimsler> current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo << nope. |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Duffer1 i thought you had seen em |
20:57 |
Duffer1 |
it's possible, my memory is not so good, but i believe i would have remembered that |
20:58 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/08/a-word-about-banks-and-the-laundering-of-drug-money/ |
20:58 |
assbot |
A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 whossat ? |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
BCB: Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ?? << istanbul is lovely. ever been ? |
20:59 |
kakobrekla |
local to who? |
20:59 |
Duffer1 |
i've never been out of the states |
20:59 |
mats_cd03 |
not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla to the conference :) |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite |
21:00 |
assbot |
boycott systemd |
21:02 |
mats_cd03 |
it was this post that made me think he might be appropriate for this community. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/07/disloyal |
21:03 |
assbot |
The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks our banks. " |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
bout as idiotic as paper can carry tbh. |
21:03 |
mats_cd03 |
perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing." |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"because i tend to confuse tiny 500 sq feet retail bnaking outlets" with "banks" |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"When I asked a group of a dozen of the citys affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said" |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"because i confuse kids with iphones working for alcatel doing tech support for 400e a month for affluent and professional" |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
etc. |
21:07 |
mats_cd03 |
on the other hand, i am also new here and perhaps i should listen more and type less. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
guy can't hurt anything, but he's likely to get very pissed off and leave in a huff |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
then again, who ever knows. |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
o wow auster died last year ?! |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/ |
21:10 |
assbot |
View from the Right |
21:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00074938 = 4.3801 BTC [+] |
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21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
!up AdrianoOliveira |
21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
!up RBecker |
21:39 |
AdrianoOliveira |
thanks BingoBoingo |
21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Yw |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up RBecker |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
o ok :p |
21:44 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
21:44 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 295074.81 in 918 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.29 |
21:44 |
hanbot |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-whistleblower-award-largest-ever-20140922-story.html |
21:44 |
assbot |
SEC to pay $30 million in largest-ever whistleblower award - Chicago Tribune |
21:44 |
hanbot |
i wonder how long before people aspire to be whistleblowers 'stead of ceos |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
five years ? |
21:47 |
mats_cd03 |
amazing pr |
21:47 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the Great Disruption of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that theres no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culturesexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him." |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from. |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
the logical equivalent would be to prosecute nonvegetarians for theft. |
21:49 |
thestringpuller |
%tslb |
21:49 |
atcbot |
Time Since Last ATC Block (#45450): 1 hour(s), 5 minutes |
21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
21:50 |
atcbot |
>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s |
21:50 |
danielpbarron |
depends what is meant by chastity, but I'd say the Bible |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i very much doubt the bible makes the mistake. |
21:52 |
danielpbarron |
it's not that sexual intercourse is immoral; just certain kinds.. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but at issue is the conflation. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"morality and monogamy" ? that's not biblical. it's not even mahomedanic. |
21:54 |
danielpbarron |
yep; got a point there |
21:56 |
danielpbarron |
that's one of the things so many false christians get hung up on; that most of the big names in the Bible had multiple wives and concubines (slave wives), and God never scolded them for it |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
well yahweh didn't live in queens. |
21:58 |
danielpbarron |
i like to use the plural "wives" when discussing my hypothetical future to see what kind of expression people make |
21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
people or women ? :D |
21:59 |
danielpbarron |
both. |
22:00 |
danielpbarron |
"i don't yet have any wives" "lol wat?" |
22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
they proly figure you for a mormon. |
22:00 |
danielpbarron |
yep and then I get to tell them about how mormonism is a false gospel |
22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and then they buy you lunch ? |
22:01 |
mats_cd03 |
dpb is a rl troll. i guess that makes sense |
22:02 |
danielpbarron |
"rl" == "real life?" |
22:02 |
mats_cd03 |
yes |
22:02 |
danielpbarron |
what does "troll" even mean? I honestly believe the offensive things I say. |
22:03 |
Vexual |
like morolity and madness, the internet has over half the voters |
22:03 |
Vexual |
this is real life |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
troll no longer means any particular thing. |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"someone i'd rather ignore" is probably the extension of it. |
22:05 |
danielpbarron |
it's like the word "cult;" it means "i don 't like you." |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
no, cult means "you're proceeding on software that I have nothing to do with and don't want anything to do with" |
22:06 |
Vexual |
islamic state is called a death cult here n state news |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, like saying "windows" |
22:09 |
Vexual |
bunch of nutters |
22:09 |
mats_cd03 |
i take it back, you are simply living a genuine life |
22:09 |
mats_cd03 |
a rare thing in christians, in my experience |
22:10 |
danielpbarron |
so rare I've only ever met a few others who feel the same |
22:10 |
mats_cd03 |
ma n pa being clergy, this is true praise. |
22:11 |
Vexual |
asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence |
22:13 |
mats_cd03 |
on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day |
22:14 |
mats_cd03 |
self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around |
22:14 |
Vexual |
do you mean you put dollar bills in? |
22:14 |
mats_cd03 |
they can't possibly make roi |
22:14 |
mats_cd03 |
yes |
22:16 |
mats_cd03 |
http://libertyteller.com machines made by lamassu or w/e |
22:16 |
assbot |
Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA |
22:17 |
Vexual |
what rate did you get? |
22:19 |
mats_cd03 |
427 when spot was 410 iirc |
22:19 |
Vexual |
sounds like roi to me |
22:21 |
mats_cd03 |
we shall see |
22:21 |
Vexual |
tommorrow it'll have 1.2 |
22:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11237 @ 0.00075016 = 8.4295 BTC [+] {2} |
22:22 |
Vexual |
do any of those fuckers take coins? |
22:23 |
mats_cd03 |
no, that would probably 'enable money laundering' or something equally ludicrous |
22:23 |
Vexual |
yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit |
22:23 |
mats_cd03 |
i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley |
22:24 |
mats_cd03 |
iirc it needed palm print photo and govt id |
22:24 |
mats_cd03 |
n prob rectotherm |
22:24 |
Vexual |
lol |
22:25 |
mats_cd03 |
that is - palm print, photo, n govt id. 3 items. |
22:28 |
Vexual |
i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane |
22:29 |
Vexual |
and you can bet more hat 10pc goes to someones wife |
22:30 |
Vexual |
or wives |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 wtf why would anyoen do that. |
22:37 |
Vexual |
they wouldnt |
22:37 |
mats_cd03 |
dunno, i didn't, too orweillian for my taste |
22:38 |
mats_cd03 |
if they went for just govt id i may have considered it |
22:38 |
decimation |
what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally? |
22:38 |
Vexual |
they'd cash in a 20c priv key on the inside of a condom wrapper tho |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
same as any internet thing |
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22:56 |
Vexual |
i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print |
22:58 |
Vexual |
ad infinitum |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up fly0nth3wal1 |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
fly0nth3wal1 listen fix your connection because all this join part spam wil result in a ban sooner or later. |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
lol looks like he just left and joined once? |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
like 50 times today. |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
so dates are lame, right? |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the fruit ? no, i love them. |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain. |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
what is time, anyways... |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
now, a specific block in the chain - that means something. |
23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes supposedly something that's going to automate that is getting delivered this month |
23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
the fabled b-a deeds registrar. |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
meh |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point? |
23:24 |
ben_vulpes |
ask i mean to say. |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it protects you from data loss, if nothing else. |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it allows you to pin down a date w/o a cp |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
numerous advantages really. |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
how does this date pinning work? |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time? |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
dja recall the spec ? |
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23:27 |
ben_vulpes |
spec seems like formal term |
23:27 |
ben_vulpes |
i read some shit on irc one time |
23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
mno |
23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
sec |
23:27 |
ben_vulpes |
ya plz, the log'd benefit. |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it's there about 5x |
23:28 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-raid-updated-fact-fud/ |
23:29 |
ben_vulpes |
depends on assbot notion of time. |
23:29 |
ben_vulpes |
or whomevers. |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no, because a digest of your thing will be included in a block. |
23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so. |
23:30 |
ben_vulpes |
digest of thing is related to time how? |
23:31 |
* |
ben_vulpes is frantically searching on digest algos |
23:32 |
ben_vulpes |
the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time. |
23:32 |
ben_vulpes |
not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed |
23:32 |
ben_vulpes |
but adequate for pinning events to history. |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i usually last a coupla blocks... |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> digest of thing is related to time how? << by being a tx in a block |
23:39 |
ben_vulpes |
when did that block happen? |
23:39 |
ben_vulpes |
when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance? |
23:39 |
ben_vulpes |
even "time" must bow to the blockchain. |
23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
when it was mined yes. |
23:40 |
ben_vulpes |
whose clock? |
23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
the block's. |
23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
blocks include a timestamp. |
23:42 |
ben_vulpes |
A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you. |
23:43 |
ben_vulpes |
now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now. |
23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp. |
23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world |
23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and not disputable on lesser terms |
23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
which for this purpose means, any other terms. |
23:44 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is. |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
irrespective of how that time was arrived at. |
23:45 |
ben_vulpes |
that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered. |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
23:45 |
Dimsler |
yes |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it just means the previous, fiat approach to creating an arbitrary timeline has been replaced by a bitcoin, similarly arbitrary approach |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
which is just how it should be after all. |
23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in. |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
timestamp being an artifact of derps. |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and stamina in bed. |
23:47 |
ben_vulpes |
if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number. |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, no dispute there. |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
my observation was that as long as you're implementing this, you're better off with the b-a registrar than with your "include block hash and sign" |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
because the include block hash only puts a minimum into the pie, not a maximum. the deeds registrar does both. |
23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
sure. |
23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
registrar doth not confer time magically, though |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it does, in the sense of "block height" |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and that is what time means anyway, entirely, as discussed above. |
23:49 |
ben_vulpes |
which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
nolo contendere. |
23:49 |
ben_vulpes |
so long as we're on the same page. |
23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all. |
23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
(and hey - what's Vexual doing on so early!?) |
23:52 |
Vexual |
thinking about relativity as allways |
23:56 |
* |
Vexual got fired |