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00:02 Vexual fuxking work drinks
00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00075238 = 6.7955 BTC [+] {2}
00:10 * asciilifeform gets up for one1111!11 day and misses tehgoodstuff as usual
00:11 xmj lol..
00:11 xmj ben_vulpes: you're drunk right?
00:12 Vexual don't ask that, hes the boss
00:12 asciilifeform what's a work-drink ?
00:12 asciilifeform sorta like what 'mentats' drink in 'dune' ?
00:13 Vexual lol, perhaps
00:13 xmj asciilifeform: work drink is when your boss forces you to have wine or beer during lunch, then watches how you work in the afternoon and fires your lazy ass in the evening.
00:13 xmj that's "work drink"
00:13 Vexual perhaps like a good cup of tea where nothing goes wrong asccii
00:15 asciilifeform forces? with funnel ?
00:15 Vexual oversight
~ 39 minutes ~
00:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform irc is a harsh but demanding mistress
00:56 Vexual bitch gave kakobrekla a sense of humour
00:57 Vexual it might stil put "whos your daddy" in my vanacular
00:58 Vexual i missed bashing some excellent kako jokes
00:59 kdomanski !seen genjix
00:59 kdomanski huh
00:59 kdomanski ;;seen genjix
00:59 gribble genjix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 59 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <genjix> nefario is legit. for sure there is a reasonable explanation and everyone will get their bitcoins back. i trust the guy.
01:00 kdomanski lol
01:00 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S9Z76G.txt )
01:00 BingoBoingo !b 3
01:01 Vexual niggah faints
01:03 kdomanski ;;seen nefario
01:03 gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 51 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 3 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
01:08 BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2J1z7FN0--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/h0ypshodrto8k7l49nwd.gif << Fucking flying chop
01:09 Vexual i hope he insured his shit
01:10 BingoBoingo Poor Catcher
01:10 Vexual poor catchers undead kids
01:13 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhIrzbhEGvs
01:16 midnightmagic BingoBoingo: what happens there? why isn't the guy running for 1st? is that one of those auto-outs..?
01:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4544 @ 0.00074945 = 3.4055 BTC [-] {2}
01:16 Vexual hes not runnign anyplaces
01:17 BingoBoingo midnightmagic: Looks like a foul. Wasn't quite caught, so doubt it is a foul tip.
01:18 Vexual might notta hurt
01:18 midnightmagic huh..
01:19 Vexual well he might pick it up and throw it
01:24 Vexual like satoshi did
01:26 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms97mz3H69E
01:32 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR_u0JUYxfg
01:37 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
01:46 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8l_0N8lLWY
01:52 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xffAiVJCYd0
01:53 Vexual check the cigarello
02:04 Vexual http://www.nme.com/nme-video/cypress-hill--rusko---cant-keep-me-down-ft-damian-marley/1936931187001 johnny cash
02:16 BingoBoingo ;;tslb
02:17 gribble Time since last block: 15 minutes and 48 seconds
02:17 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
02:17 gribble Current Blocks: 322136 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 423 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35062434960.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.5419
02:17 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-AuhSdGnc
02:19 Vexual kerosene
02:23 Vexual fifteen minutes an fourty three seconds, struth mate
02:27 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_30HA7rec
02:31 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngosk2ynSWM fuck yor 6990
02:35 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcyJPTTn9w
02:40 Vexual whos ever seen ball lightning?
02:41 Vexual no?
02:44 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U16Xg_rQZkA
02:50 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947tGsiv4lQ
02:53 BingoBoingo ;;tslb
02:53 gribble Time since last block: 18 seconds
02:55 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms97mz3H69E
03:00 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn3acz2KI9M
03:07 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
03:13 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKhI09XO5R0
03:16 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo
03:21 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_oyCVUkgIo
03:26 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
03:29 xmj Vexual: are you bored?
03:29 Vexual fuck yes and fuck no
03:30 Vexual ill be playing spiderbait next if it suits
03:30 Vexual et ou?
03:31 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1VfYYKMDk
03:31 xmj well i'll just revert to plonking you
03:31 Vexual plaonk?
03:31 Vexual providing me wine/?
03:33 Vexual do wee need a commerorative poster?
03:34 Vexual did you say plonk?
03:38 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC7z859Psc
03:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10821 @ 0.00074871 = 8.1018 BTC [-] {2}
03:43 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzWEeiUf3Y
03:51 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSsHvvYw3sA
03:56 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNebx7mICjo
03:58 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyKx9pDE9Zs
04:06 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r57LWTBZDE
04:12 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II
04:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8374 @ 0.00075006 = 6.281 BTC [+]
~ 55 minutes ~
05:14 jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4
05:14 assbot Jennifer Lopez - Booty ft. Iggy Azalea - YouTube
05:14 jurov even my lesbian friends considered this utterly disgusting
05:16 jurov http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/22/jennifer-lopez-booty-video-lube-offer-iggy-azalea/ lmao
05:16 assbot Jennifer Lopez -- 'Booty' Video Triggers Lube Deal | TMZ.com
~ 34 minutes ~
05:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00067125 = 0.6713 BTC [-] {9}
~ 22 minutes ~
06:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9208 @ 0.00067104 = 6.1789 BTC [-] {2}
06:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4128 @ 0.00075006 = 3.0962 BTC [+]
06:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3398 @ 0.00075006 = 2.5487 BTC [+]
~ 30 minutes ~
06:59 punkman re: systemd, there's a fork now http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
06:59 assbot uselessd :: information system
07:02 punkman http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
07:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00075071 = 9.8718 BTC [+] {2}
07:15 Bet placed: 1.3 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 60(Y):40(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.78041982 BTC. Current weight: 75,054.
~ 19 minutes ~
07:35 punkman http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK
07:35 assbot Kialara - Imgur
07:48 punkman !up CheckDavid
07:54 CheckDavid Thanks
07:55 CheckDavid I wanted to ask what you guys think about B2B email communications in the bitcoin industry
07:56 jurov we call it "spam"
07:56 mats_cd03 whats there to think about
07:56 CheckDavid Is plain text good, or are fancy HTML templates worth it?
07:56 * jurov gasps
07:57 CheckDavid Sincerely don't know.
07:57 * chetty does not accept html format email, ever
07:57 punkman always plain text
07:57 CheckDavid Personally I don't care for fancy emails
07:57 CheckDavid Buy my manager is the fancy time
07:58 CheckDavid Wastes over an hour to make HTML emails
07:58 CheckDavid *But
07:58 chetty well be aware that most people will not accept html formats, any one with sense that is
07:58 jurov CheckDavid send him to verious btc conferences. At least you'll get rid of him for a time.
07:59 jurov You will never get in touch with someone who matters by spamming.
07:59 CheckDavid jurov: that's masterful social engineering. But is there.more than just getting rid of him? Lol
08:00 jurov http://www.coconut-audio.com/megasata.html add moar depth to your hdd noises !!1
08:00 assbot Unreal cables
08:00 CheckDavid Oh jurov. I am not spamming. At least not now.
08:01 jurov you can at least say here what you're gonna mailing about
08:01 CheckDavid I am managing some communicational efforts for a Recruiting agency
08:02 chetty jurov nailed it, spam
08:02 jurov you know, I got lots of spam about "IBM jobs offers". your offer will end up in the trash promptly together with them
08:03 CheckDavid jurov: I can. I am gauging for the demand bitcoin businesses have for certain professionals. Depending on each business needs, I will send an personalized email accounting for their vacancies
08:04 jurov dude there are few people seeking gigs. no need to be obtuse
08:04 CheckDavid Not really because we already have a database of job seekers.
08:04 CheckDavid jurov: sorry. What do you mean?
08:05 jurov do you need sysadmin or coder or? which company? how much $$$?
08:06 CheckDavid jurov: you want to know about our job.offers?
08:07 jurov perhaps something will pique my interest. and there are more such people in this chan
08:07 jurov but if you insist emailing reddit herd or such, that's up to you
08:09 CheckDavid Oh. I definitely will communicate interesting job offers to anyone interested. But now I am on a phase of building a base of employers in the bitcoin community
08:10 jurov in other words, you're cooking stone soup
08:10 jurov (some call it axe soup)
08:10 CheckDavid Many people like stone soup
08:10 kakobrekla good for losing weight
08:13 CheckDavid jurov: the capital of stone soup is in my country lol
08:13 CheckDavid But cool story
08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00074859 = 3.2564 BTC [-]
08:18 * punkman needs a 3D model made
08:18 punkman chetty, any designers hanging around #eulora?
08:31 chetty we keep em busy
08:39 pete_dushenski pete_duknow reporting for duty
08:40 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13984/ode-julia/ << leaving this here for pete_d :D << lol because canuckian?
08:40 assbot Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine
08:40 pete_dushenski ;;later tell JuliaTourianski_ whereabouts in canada are you living?
08:40 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:41 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao. << gotta stir the pot, y'know?
08:42 pete_dushenski http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-20249 << and i'm the self-absorbed prick ;)
08:42 assbot Tte--Tte With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
08:45 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << sorta depends, did "the people" meaningfully change since their ancestors? do they still tie up their shoes the same way? still read the same books? time doesn't necessitate change.
08:46 pete_dushenski if no change, then it depends on how useful holding descendants accountable is.
08:46 jurov it's US who didn't change?
08:46 pete_dushenski jurov: is that USA or "not them" ?
08:48 jurov not them
08:51 pete_dushenski that the observer changes effects their own action
08:52 pete_dushenski and surely whether or not they hold "the other" accountable for the actions of their forefathers
08:52 pete_dushenski but in this specific instance, it's not clear that either has changed.
08:53 jurov we can actually hold our forefathers accountable but rarely anyone does
08:53 pete_dushenski the roots being quite deep.
08:53 pete_dushenski jurov: it's surely easier if they're alive
08:53 pete_dushenski if they're dead, we can choose to ignore their actions and pretend like tabula rasas are possible
08:54 pete_dushenski a la stalin, ataturk, etc.
08:55 pete_dushenski this, of course, opens one up to being twist turned upside down
08:56 pete_dushenski be it by rationalist, scientistic ideals or what have you
08:57 pete_dushenski so while "rarely anyone does" in the post 19th century west, most other times and places take their ancestors quite seriously
08:58 pete_dushenski this lends itself to continuity, stability, and other "good things" imo
08:59 pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform thank you for recommending "the sultans" !
08:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:00 pete_dushenski heya mircea_popescu
09:00 mircea_popescu heya
09:00 mircea_popescu kdomanski: ;;seen genjix << win.
09:01 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ ^ your friend amir lolz
09:01 mircea_popescu also wow, she's still connected off a freenode instance ? what the fuck industrial strength internet they have down at the russian bathhouse!
09:02 pete_dushenski lol russian bathhouse? thought she was in the 52nd state
09:03 mircea_popescu well yes.
09:03 Azelphur Is everyone still hating on genjix? XD
09:03 mircea_popescu Azelphur despising != hating.
09:03 Azelphur ah
09:03 Azelphur I always feel like the only person who actually likes him
09:03 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it. << this is gold
09:03 mircea_popescu punkman darknedgy ?! they're seriously running out.
09:04 pete_dushenski Azelphur: nah see JuliaTourianski_ and you have that in common ;)
09:04 mircea_popescu azzie and julie sittin' in a tree...
09:04 Azelphur haha
09:04 mircea_popescu k i s s i n taaki!
09:04 Azelphur nicely done ;)
09:05 mircea_popescu i am a master of the written worm.
09:05 mircea_popescu i mean ford.
09:05 mircea_popescu yeah, that's it, i am a master of the written ford.
09:05 Azelphur but nah, I agree he was a terrible businessman, but then nobody should have put him in a business position anyway, he's a programmer
09:05 mircea_popescu HE put himself in a business position
09:06 mircea_popescu by his idiotic if contemporaneously fashionable insistance on fluff and i can do anythingism,.
09:06 * Azelphur shrugs
09:06 mircea_popescu i told him to stfu and mind his own business like 3 times.
09:06 mircea_popescu for that matter nefario, too.
09:06 mircea_popescu but hey, kids know better and i am just hating their genius.
09:06 mircea_popescu !up andylau
09:06 Azelphur mircea_popescu: haha, over the years I've learned you're generally right about these things :P
09:07 Azelphur I still don't think genjix should be discounted as a programmer though, he's a damned good one and that'd be one hell of a waste.
09:07 mircea_popescu too much cognitive dissonance to handle, 500 idiots keep telling them how special they are then mp says stfu and crochet.
09:07 mircea_popescu the human brain doesn't handle exceptions well
09:07 Azelphur I suppose
09:07 mircea_popescu either overweights or underweights them unduly.
09:08 mircea_popescu kinda well known psychology, this, hence the memory effect and all that.
09:08 pete_dushenski Dimsler: i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo. buying bitcoins off me << lol!
09:08 mircea_popescu CheckDavid: Sincerely don't know. << nobody EVER liked html email. and there's a pretty good argument that it's completely a tech misapplication, like the cigarette lighter oven.
09:09 mircea_popescu you don't need or want an oven to light your cigarette.
09:09 Azelphur I've met taaki a couple times now
09:09 Azelphur his family lives just around the corner from me
09:09 mircea_popescu jurov: CheckDavid send him to verious btc conferences. At least you'll get rid of him for a time. << i like how practical jurov is. yeah, best move there.
09:10 mircea_popescu with any luck he'll be hired away from you and it's win-win.
09:10 mircea_popescu "Join the Freelancer Shareholder Foundation Program and get a discount on WSO listing fees"
09:10 Azelphur speaking of hired, I'm doing good stuff at BitRecruiter, I wrote something that might be a good idea for MPEX actually, https://github.com/Azelphur/django-bcauth
09:10 assbot Azelphur/django-bcauth GitHub
09:11 mircea_popescu look at that, freelancer.com is spamming unregistered share sales offers!
09:11 mircea_popescu which happens to be illegal.
09:11 * mircea_popescu wonders if the SEC, ever so careful with these things, is yet investigating the underhanded practices of matt barrie &co
09:13 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little. << on the moolah
09:15 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: if no change, then it depends on how useful holding descendants accountable is. < no, i'm with him. this makes exactly zero sense, chiefly because a group may be ridiculous, impractical, suicidal, anything you wish, but never wrong. only individuals can be wrong, in that they don't subscribe to the moral scheme of some group they intend to be part of. ther
09:15 kakobrekla <punkman> http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK < wtf, so much overhead for 100kbits
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09:15 assbot Kialara - Imgur
09:15 mircea_popescu e's no such thing as "evil group" possible.
09:17 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ancestors need not be a group or identify themselves as part of one
09:17 mircea_popescu but you identified them as a group not as individuals.
09:17 pete_dushenski ancestors can be individuals who spawned further individuals
09:17 mircea_popescu only if you call the object through THAT constructor.
09:18 pete_dushenski you're right, i did, and now i'm exploiting the escape hatch in my own reasoning
09:18 mircea_popescu if i say "b-a cannucks" i create one group, if i say " pete_dushenski, nubbins, [...]" i create a group with the same members, but through a different method, which makes it in fact a different group for this conversation.
09:18 mircea_popescu lol
09:20 pete_dushenski lol ya
09:20 pete_dushenski i shoulda been more spasifik!
09:21 mats_cd03 spoiler: CheckDavid is his own boss
09:22 Dimsler blah
09:22 Dimsler 9am
09:22 Dimsler too early to be up
09:25 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/20-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ << i like this bet. up, down, up. down...
09:25 assbot BitBet - 20% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 9.39 B (60%) on Yes, 6.39 B (40%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 74`958 (100`000 to 1`000)
09:27 mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats
09:27 gribble Current Blocks: 322181 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 378 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 39 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34912851483.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.04044
09:29 pete_dushenski definitely a fun bet, that one!
09:30 mircea_popescu it's perhaps the best display of the fundamental incalculability of bitcoin events.
09:30 mircea_popescu i mean go ahead and model it, quantize it, whatevs.
09:31 thestringpuller Azelphur: that's neat
09:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00074849 = 11.1899 BTC [-] {2}
09:34 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c drop me a line when back.
09:34 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:34 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> i mean go ahead and model it, quantize it, whatevs. < done that! https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fshrani.si%2Ff%2F3l%2FOQ%2F2JCCgxKS%2Fcritpred3.png&t=544&c=KTeygwMIAwsIWw
09:34 kakobrekla note that this was more of a fun play rather anything else
09:34 mircea_popescu uh
09:35 kakobrekla this is from feb 2013
09:37 kakobrekla the funny thing is - its not much off :)
09:37 mircea_popescu lol!
09:37 mircea_popescu also, as previously announced, the extra 2mn S.BBET shares were distributed to owners.
09:38 kakobrekla ty
09:38 mircea_popescu !up CheckDavid
09:39 mircea_popescu http://shrani.si/f/3l/OQ/2JCCgxKS/critpred3.png << kako's link sanitized
09:39 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: ye toronto conf was dope actually << have you read http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
09:39 assbot Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
09:39 mircea_popescu kakobrekla were the algos ever published ?
09:40 mircea_popescu or mind extending it to today ?
09:43 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/2FMEVFQ.txt , http://dpaste.com/17R9F15.txt
09:44 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> or mind extending it to today ? < mebbe when i have more time
09:44 kakobrekla this two were evolved after only a day or two iirc
09:45 mircea_popescu danke
09:46 pete_dushenski https://rushwallet.com/contest << i'm guessing they didn't use dicelists
09:46 assbot Rushwallet | Contest
09:46 pete_dushenski "Up for grabs are 2 bitcoins hidden in 30 different brainwallets. Search for clues in the RushWallet Fundraiser video to unlock each wallet and claim the bitcoins. "
09:47 pete_dushenski 0.025 btc each wallet
09:47 pete_dushenski not 2...
09:47 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.025 * 30
09:47 gribble 0.75
09:47 mircea_popescu uh.
09:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4384 @ 0.00074975 = 3.2869 BTC [+]
09:50 mats_cd03 some of 'em have 0.05, 0.1, & 1.0 apparently.
09:50 pete_dushenski a i c
09:51 CheckDavid mircea_popescu: thanks for the input. In your perspective is there any value in HTML emails?
09:51 mircea_popescu nope.
09:52 CheckDavid So you think it generally converts less right?
09:52 mircea_popescu for one thing, most clients people actually use don't even render html.
09:52 CheckDavid Most?
09:52 mircea_popescu so you end up wit ha pile of cruft that just guarantees you rejected.
09:52 mircea_popescu yes.
09:52 thestringpuller plaintext emails yo
09:52 thestringpuller don't send html to niggas using mutt
09:52 CheckDavid Most web clients do. And many desktop and.mobile clients do as well
09:53 mircea_popescu most people doing anything worth the mention have been using email since before 2000.
09:53 mircea_popescu plenty since before 1990
09:53 CheckDavid I just want to convince my boss to not use HTML
09:53 mircea_popescu if you imagine they all moved to google because google, you're new here.
09:53 mircea_popescu sure, you can talk to the under 30 crowd on html email.
09:53 mircea_popescu they don't make any decisions.
09:54 thestringpuller except Zuckerberg
09:54 CheckDavid Oh. So that's the deal?
09:54 * bounce has a serious problem taking people seriously if they do stupid stuff like send html for no reason, or top-post, or any number of boneheaded things that the aol generation does with gay abandon
09:54 mircea_popescu bounce i top post like a boss :D
09:54 thestringpuller lol AOL is the one who introduced HTML mail?
09:54 CheckDavid What about formatted text in emails?
09:55 CheckDavid Like worrying about font
09:55 bounce aol started the deluge
09:55 mircea_popescu CheckDavid formatted means | and > and such
09:55 bounce 72 cols fixed pitch is the standing assumption
09:55 CheckDavid What is | and > in this context?
09:56 bounce "> " is the typical quote indicator, though it gets replaced or simply represented differently at times.
09:56 mircea_popescu | and > are quotes
09:57 mircea_popescu http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html << example use.
09:57 assbot Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive
09:57 bounce just like "-- " indicates the start of the signature, and a good mail client won't quote that. there's very few good mail clients in wide use these days.
09:57 thestringpuller >> like vim?
09:58 mircea_popescu anyway, dear all : i'll be taking a trip. see you all tomorrows!
10:00 thestringpuller mircea_popescu is away
10:00 thestringpuller everyone act crazy
10:00 CheckDavid I see mircea_popescu. So you saying formatting should be limited to that
10:00 CheckDavid Bye :)
10:00 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 56(Y):44(N) by coin, 55(Y):45(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.78041982 BTC. Current weight: 74,932.
10:01 kakobrekla good luck mp
10:02 bounce your search keyword of the day: "netiquette"
10:02 bounce could do worse than start with reading RFC1855
10:12 mats_cd03 i have suspended the blacklights from the ceiling
10:12 mats_cd03 white Ts and glo paint are en route
10:15 Dimsler http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2007/01/11/the-empire-is-the-good-guys-revisited/
10:15 assbot The Empire Is The Good Guys, Revisited | Creative Destruction
10:16 xmj what
10:18 mats_cd03 tl;dr jedi r terrorists
10:20 bounce this looks a different piece than "the case for the empire", which appears to be older
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10:40 Namworld oh damn fuck... http://imgur.com/gallery/gk9hX
10:40 assbot Analysis of the bathroom mystery. - Imgur
10:46 Namworld Eh, it's dead time of the day isn't it?
10:51 kakobrekla the cast took a break
10:56 kakobrekla !up CheckDavid
10:56 CheckDavid Thanks
10:56 CheckDavid https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Ladder
10:56 CheckDavid How can bitpay have more profit than sales ?
10:56 kakobrekla Guest26284 , you wanna do /nick yournick
10:56 Guest26284 I've done that and it's not working erk
10:57 Guest26284 umm
10:57 kakobrekla what does it say?
10:58 Guest26284 -NickServ- You are now identified for.... and then im still guest
10:59 xmj Guest26284: /msg nickserv release <nick> helps
10:59 kakobrekla imma guess you didnt /msg nickserv identify in time
10:59 kakobrekla xmj doesnt that cmd take a pswd
11:00 xmj dont remember, prolly
11:00 xmj /msg nickserv help release
11:00 Guest26284 test
11:00 Guest26284 pftt/
11:01 kakobrekla the thing is, if you dont identify in time, it will lock you out for some time
11:01 kakobrekla you can wait or go around it with release
11:01 Guest26284 how fast do u have to do it, dont think i waiting that long
11:02 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/2X307N7.txt
11:05 ben_vulpes all things considered, barack obama's really inspiring
11:05 ben_vulpes i mean he caught a nobel peace price, but eventually overcame it
11:07 thestringpuller http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/ << voila
11:07 assbot Feds say Bitcoin miner maker Butterfly Labs ran systematic deception | Ars Technica
11:08 rithm roflbomb at bfl
11:10 Duffer1 "BFL spent millions on massages, guns, and more"
11:10 xmj guntha_: there's plugins to auto identify you once nickserv asks for it
11:10 xmj err
11:10 thestringpuller is the nail in the coffin yet?
11:11 mats_cd03 on the one hand, potus is killing brown people and oppressing white people
11:11 mats_cd03 on the other hand, obamacare has and will heal a lot of poor
11:11 mats_cd03 a mixed legacy for sure.
11:14 thestringpuller ;;later tell hanbot I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face.
11:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 986 @ 0.0006086 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {3}
11:20 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
11:20 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074485 / 0.00074853 / 0.00075257 (415230 shares, 310.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00074485 / 0.0007502 / 0.00075526 (4175975 shares, 3,132.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075921 / 0.00086605 (16104012 shares, 12,226.39 BTC)
11:21 thestringpuller !l s s.mpoe
11:21 assbot The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
11:21 thestringpuller $depth s.mpoe
11:21 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 20124 @ 0.00074846 9350 @ 0.00074835 12900 @ 0.00074768 6558 @ 0.00074692
11:21 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 4966 @ 0.00074975 15600 @ 0.00075110 6797 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384
11:21 thestringpuller !l m s.mpoe
11:21 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00074975 BTC [+]
11:27 mats_cd03 that Bitcoin Ladder page needs an update... 19 months since last change
11:29 rithm l-e-g-i-t
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12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.82799136 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 72 satoshi per share
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
12:06 mats_cd03 https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-update-september-2014 via HN
12:06 assbot Backblaze Blog » Hard Drive Reliability Update – Sep 2014
12:12 mod6 %tslb_btc
12:12 atcbot Time Since Last BTC Block (#322194): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes
12:13 mod6 ;;tslb
12:13 gribble Time since last block: 4 minutes and 57 seconds
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.0075 = 1.725 BTC [+]
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00074846 = 10.2539 BTC [-]
12:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2113 @ 0.00058673 = 1.2398 BTC [-] {23}
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00074975 = 2.5492 BTC [+]
13:12 BingoBoingo http://www.riskiq.com/resources/blog/jquerycom-malware-attack-puts-privileged-enterprise-it-accounts-risk#.VCF33EtRmns
13:12 assbot jQuery.com Malware Attack Puts Privileged Enterprise IT Accounts at Risk | RiskIQ.com
13:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2200 @ 0.0075 = 16.5 BTC [+]
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13:59 ThickAsThieves "PayPal has announced partnerships with the three largest payment processors in the bitcoin space – BitPay, Coinbase and GoCoin."
14:00 ThickAsThieves http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/23/paypal-takes-small-step-toward-bitcoin-partners-with-cryptocurrency-processors/
14:00 assbot PayPal Takes Baby Step Toward Bitcoin, Partners With Cryptocurrency Processors - Forbes
14:00 ThickAsThieves "...to accept the cryptocurrency for digital goods like online games and downloadable songs. It’s a second baby step for the payments giant toward full Bitcoin adoption ..."
14:01 Duffer1 ah so that's why the rally
14:01 ThickAsThieves yurp
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01119999 = 0.56 BTC [+]
14:05 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
14:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 414.49, Best ask: 414.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 414.92, 24 hour volume: 11889.97164427, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 414.93, 24 hour vwap: 401.279180206
14:07 ThickAsThieves tagged 420
14:07 ThickAsThieves probly pass it
14:09 Duffer1 pretty weak news for such a rally
14:09 Duffer1 digital goods only
14:09 TomServo That's what I was thinking. I'd rather see some FOIA results.
14:09 ThickAsThieves the signifigance is it's actually PayPal touching btc
14:10 ThickAsThieves rathe rthan some daughter lamer startup of theirs
14:10 Duffer1 i agree, but it's a rather small touch
14:11 ThickAsThieves plus traders were ready for an excuse
14:11 Duffer1 yea lol
14:11 ThickAsThieves breaking 380 was looking difficult
14:12 ThickAsThieves hence why I closed all my shorts and such over the weekend :)
14:12 jurov ofc, rally a hour after i sold some
14:16 ThickAsThieves the bitcoin partnership is pretty limited
14:17 ThickAsThieves it looks like you have to have a coinbase wallet or such
14:17 ThickAsThieves https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paymentshub
14:17 assbot Seite nicht gefunden - PayPal Deutschland
14:17 ThickAsThieves lol
14:18 ThickAsThieves is that cuz assbot is dutch?
14:21 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
14:21 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.0, Best ask: 430.86, Bid-ask spread: 2.86000, Last trade: 431.11, 24 hour volume: 14387.31775314, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 431.11, 24 hour vwap: 405.55456255
14:21 ThickAsThieves hmm gribble is delayed
14:33 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.11575605 BTC. Current weight: 42,062.
14:33 Duffer1 back for round 2 JuliaTourianski_ ? :D
14:34 JuliaTourianski_ fight!
14:34 ben_vulpes *ding ding ding*
14:36 ThickAsThieves i dont wanna fight
14:38 ben_vulpes just want to bang on a drum all day?
14:40 * danielpbarron slaps JuliaTourianski_ around a bit with a large unspent output
14:40 ben_vulpes wow you're crushing hard danielpbarron
14:42 * danielpbarron slaps ben_vulpes around a bit with a large self projection
14:42 ben_vulpes ho ho ho
14:42 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNeR-5o-ck
14:42 assbot Big Pun - Still not a player - YouTube
14:46 thestringpuller I never did like Big Pun.
14:57 JuliaTourianski_ fukin love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7QvOX8LVk
14:57 assbot Yung Jake - Datamosh - YouTube
15:01 thestringpuller LOL. I love how there is a Tyler the Creator song in the related search.
15:02 thestringpuller this guy sounds like he is on so many drugs
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15:58 TomServo ;;ticker
15:58 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 437.27, Best ask: 438.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 438.03, 24 hour volume: 22361.75362852, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 450.0, 24 hour vwap: 417.838247521
16:02 ben_vulpes from the girl: "A cool thing I discovered is that squash makes the bechamel almost kraft colored, so if we ever have children who refuse to eat white mac n cheese, I can TRICK THEM"
16:03 ben_vulpes "I bet yams would make it even oranger. God, imagine the foodie irony such children present: I will make a roasted vegetable bechamel cheese sauce to appease your desire for processed American food products"
16:04 ben_vulpes "these hypothetical children are guests of our children, obviously. Our progeny will have refined palettes before they can hold a crayon."
16:04 * TomServo tries to imagine a child not licking mac n cheese.
16:04 TomServo or liking, for that matter.
16:05 BingoBoingo I believe the traditional adultrant for that purpose is annatto
16:10 pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/chelsea-manning-sues-u-s-over-hormone-therapy-denial.html
16:10 assbot Chelsea Manning Sues U.S. Over Hormone Therapy Denial - Bloomberg
16:10 mats_cd03 ben_vulpes: you found this girl in portland i suppose?
16:10 pete_dushenski justice will be served!
16:16 BingoBoingo !up mp_sails
16:17 pete_dushenski so now youtube is obama's wmd
16:17 pete_dushenski http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/obama-extends-youtube-war
16:17 assbot Obama Extends His YouTube War - The New Yorker
16:19 mats_cd03 ;;ticker
16:19 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.54, Best ask: 435.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 435.54, 24 hour volume: 22622.98484045, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 450.0, 24 hour vwap: 418.809047247
16:19 mp_sails hola gringos
16:20 pete_dushenski lol hola mp_sails
16:20 mp_sails !up _George_
16:20 mp_sails com
16:20 mp_sails como estan
16:20 pete_dushenski estamos bien :)
16:20 mp_sails "estados unidos" har har har
16:20 pete_dushenski como esta la mar?
16:21 mp_sails jugosa
16:21 pete_dushenski lol estamos unidos contra...
16:23 pete_dushenski mp_sails: so how long of a cruise are you taking that you lugged a laptop along?
16:24 mp_sails i have this in common with your top clearance defense contractor : that i lug a stack of laptops.
16:24 mp_sails my own little caravan of sorts.
16:24 asciilifeform estamos unidos << estabamos.
16:25 ben_vulpes mats_cd03: nyc actulolly
16:26 pete_dushenski speaking of laptops, til that the macbook air's ssd is of a mystery brand until you personally crack open the unibody case and look inside
16:27 pete_dushenski that hard drive annual failure rate thing had me hunting
16:30 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i always found it maddening that 'ssd' can't be used optimally as a normal block device.
16:30 mp_sails Namworld, now that's weird
16:31 mats_cd03 shes adorbs.
16:31 xanthyos woah, i'm in assbot's l1? i don't deserve that.
16:32 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: hm what's a "normal block device" and what does it do?
16:32 mp_sails CheckDavid: How can bitpay have more profit than sales ? << lmao
16:32 mp_sails xanthyos, you are ?
16:32 xanthyos isnt' that what it takes to get voiced?
16:32 mike_c mp_sails: ping
16:33 mp_sails mike_c, yes but its gotta be once im at hq :)
16:33 mp_sails soz.
16:33 Apocalyptic xanthyos, nope, it's l2
16:33 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: reads, writes block N when asked.
16:33 mike_c k, i'll be around
16:33 mp_sails xanthyos, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << you're not.
16:33 assbot The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:33 mp_sails so nyah!
16:34 mp_sails olil3olli3, dude srsly stop with the join spam
16:34 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: what does an ssd do differently?
16:34 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: differently << needs massaging for 'write-leveling.'
16:35 mp_sails assbot: Feds say Bitcoin miner maker Butterfly Labs ran systematic deception | Ars Technica << and only two years late.
16:35 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: some of it is done by the internal micro of the device, but given as the latter is not filesystem-aware (at least one should hope not) - it isn't as effective as os-driven massage.
16:36 mp_sails mats_cd03: on the other hand, obamacare has and will heal a lot of poor << obamacare is sort-of like that thing where they destroy a neighbourhood, build a huge condo complex and give five activist "poor" people free housing.
16:36 mp_sails a) it has not helped a lot of poor and b) all the unhelped poor that were fine before are suddenly "unnacounted" for.
16:37 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: an ssd isn't as effective at writing and reading? then from where do they derive their speed benefits?
16:37 mp_sails nothing mixed about it unless you mean mixed bullshit, horse shit and plain manure salad.
16:37 mats_cd03 convince me with data, now or in a few years
16:37 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: ssd works great until ion migration destroys ability to write to sufficiently many cells.
16:38 mp_sails mats_cd03, easy to convince you now : the obamacare website was offline for months after it supposedly launched,
16:38 mp_sails and then a year later had 10k or so signups a month.
16:38 mp_sails case closed, really.
16:38 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 'write leveling' is a method of delaying this inevitable death - and there are several ways of doing it. if interested, read up on the subject, it isn't a military secret.
16:39 JuliaTourianski_ pete_dushenski were you asking where I'm from or was that someone else
16:40 mats_cd03 i will have to do some research.
16:40 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: your explanation has more than sufficed for the time being, ty :)
16:40 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: mhm, then i kept reading the logs and saw missisauga, neh?
16:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5103 @ 0.00053291 = 2.7194 BTC [-] {21}
16:42 mp_sails mats_cd03, look into the crazed effects on the lower middle class, where people who could afford insurance before can't anymore, too. because htey're now not poor enough to be poor and not rich enough to be rich.
16:43 bounce for example this one: http://www.anandtech.com/print/2738
16:43 assbot AnandTech | The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ - Print View
16:43 mp_sails jurov: ofc, rally a hour after i sold some << lol you and artifex should make a sellers and movers club :D
16:43 mp_sails like movers and shakers, but different.
16:44 asciilifeform mp_sails: actually, prior to herr obama, they could afford insurance (actual insurance against, e.g., sudden injury) but not the 'insurance' that most usaschwitz inmates speak of (not an insurance at all, but a scheme where someone - usually employer - pays so that a plebe can actually get medical care of any sort, which, as result, is not affordable in any other way)
16:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 140 @ 0.01119998 = 1.568 BTC [+] {2}
16:45 mp_sails asciilifeform, this is complicated.
16:45 asciilifeform mp_sails: demand-side subsidies are a ratchet - who wants to be the first to have a repeal apply to him, and starve...
16:45 mp_sails for instance : when i visited the us, i got insurance for pretty much everything except electives.
16:45 bounce this has been such a pile of fail that I've been ignoring it. I don't suppose anything actually improved measurably, did it?
16:45 mp_sails it cost me, get a load of this, it cost me ~100 pounds for a year's worth
16:46 mp_sails bounce, no, but by now nothing is failing spectacularly further, so the propaganda machine is gearing up to counting it as a success.
16:46 JuliaTourianski_ +pete_dushenski not quite, but ye GTA
16:46 mp_sails like the bridge that fell into the river. once done falling, it's ready to be inaugurated.
16:47 asciilifeform mp_sails: a story about buying insurance, to be truly educational, has to involve... actually invoking the policy.
16:47 mp_sails asciilifeform, i can see your point, byt it was underwritten by lloyds of london. i give it some credence.
16:48 mp_sails (on the grounds that they did cover say a boat once, and behaved as an insurer as opposed to what passes for such in the us)
16:48 bounce well, there's good advice. get your US insurance at lloyd's
16:48 mp_sails this was many years ago. not sure they even offer it sanymore.
16:48 asciilifeform i dare say mp_sails probably seemed quite a bit more insurable than a usaschwitz inmate - from appraiser's point of view
16:49 mp_sails asciilifeform, im not entirely sure how all the intricacies work but if memory serves they were actually legally barred from considering prior commercial relationship
16:49 mp_sails as in, they can't give a better life policy to the guy who owns a shipping line they insure than to random clerk walking in off street.
16:50 asciilifeform prior relationship - sure. other things?
16:50 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: a cool. how are you enjoying b-a thus far?
16:50 mp_sails well yeah i guess there is that.
16:50 bounce being a gourmet instead of a hcfs addict?
16:50 mthreat mp_sails: porqué "_sails"?
16:51 JuliaTourianski_ +pete_dushenski so far
16:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005156 = 0.5156 BTC [+] {5}
16:52 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: i think you missed the "how" … :P
16:53 asciilifeform when i ask people, 'what would happen to the price of cars if usg gave you 10k usd every time you bought one?' - they grasp it.
16:55 JuliaTourianski_ +pete_dushenski so i did
16:55 JuliaTourianski_ +pete_dushenski haven't formed an opinion yet
16:56 JuliaTourianski_ +pete_dushenski you're from my part of town i take it?
16:56 JuliaTourianski_ requested CTCP VERSION from JuliaTourianski_ ??
16:56 pete_dushenski JuliaTourianski_: edmonton, it so happens
16:57 bounce now you need DHMO to wash the evil CTCP out of your macbook
16:57 bounce problem is, DHMO kills, so be careful
17:02 jborkl I moved everything to ssl and it should all be green. You guys mind giving it a test and tell me if it all seems good
17:03 jborkl www.bcoinnews.com
17:03 The20YearIRCloud Insurance is a complicated mess in the US, it all started back when the govt first decided they should control healthcare
17:04 The20YearIRCloud because the 'poor man' couldn't afford healthcare, which back then was 1/3rd the cost of what it was even factoring in inflation
17:05 mp_sails high seas!
17:05 mp_sails i can't believe after all these years satellite is still this shitty.
17:06 asciilifeform mp_sails: i'm gonna guess you hadn't paid for dedicated 'horns' on multiple sats...
17:07 jurov The20YearIRCloud as i see it from here, the US doctors first decided they must control healthcare
17:07 mp_sails mthreat, for because the navigational reason.
17:07 jurov govt happily obliged
17:07 ben_vulpes <mp_sails> mats_cd03, look into the crazed effects on the lower middle class, where people who could afford insurance before can't anymore, too. because htey're now not poor enough to be poor and not rich enough to be rich. << true story. i can't really afford the shit now.
17:07 mp_sails jurov, doctors dont really control it tho
17:07 mp_sails ben_vulpes, pretty much half or more of the young professional, 10-20mn people are in this position
17:08 mp_sails tbh it'd be mjuch more sensible to jjust shoot everyone and keep these guys than the other way around.
17:08 mp_sails the people you can't under any circumstance sacrifice are the 20somethings with a career.
17:08 The20YearIRCloud The doctors?
17:08 mp_sails doctors or farmers, whatever they be
17:08 The20YearIRCloud IT was a part of Johnson's plan of buying all the poor people votes in the US by pushing through medicare/medicaid
17:09 BingoBoingo jborkl: Lock apprears. Also, maybe update the BFL thing again...
17:09 The20YearIRCloud From 1930-1963 median healthcare costs were lock-step with average inflation (1-3% a year), after 1964 suddenly you have increases of 4%-25% per year, every single year
17:09 mp_sails asciilifeform, southern hemisphere is not that well illuminated anyway
17:09 The20YearIRCloud After 1964 you also see dozens, if not hundreds of large-scale laws dealing with the medical industry, when prior there were few if any laws regarding healthcare in the US
17:10 mthreat mp_sails: are you sailing?
17:10 jborkl ok, thank you I have been busy fixing all the ssl crap and forgot about everything else
17:10 mp_sails The20YearIRCloud, the most obvious display of this being if you compare say an emergency apendectomy in lyons and miami
17:10 mp_sails mthreat, well no, im sitting an' typing, but im close to people that do.
17:10 The20YearIRCloud What's the difference in cost?
17:10 mp_sails if i actually sailed myself i'd prolly sink the whole show
17:11 mp_sails The20YearIRCloud, maybe 6x ?
17:11 The20YearIRCloud In Miami when you pay for an emergency apendectomy, you're paying for an apendectomy for yourself and 3 other people
17:11 mp_sails ambulance ride for half an hour, e800 or whatever. ya know ?
17:11 asciilifeform mp_sails: The20YearIRCloud: 3 other people << try 33.
17:12 mp_sails insanely expensive when compared to the e80 a cab would take, but not the $18k or whatever insanity
17:12 The20YearIRCloud I was being nice
17:12 The20YearIRCloud http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/why-an-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/2011/08/25/gIQAVHztoR_blog.html
17:12 assbot Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France - The Washington Post
17:12 mp_sails right. exactly that.
17:12 The20YearIRCloud There's a MRI comparison. What's interesting though is that MRIs are one of the few healthcare things that aren't strictly regulated in the US
17:12 The20YearIRCloud But, when you go to a 'hospital' and get a MRI, they're $1k-$2.5k
17:12 mp_sails and moreove,r most eu mri are done on... us gear.
17:12 mp_sails somehow. and eu doctors are slightly overqualified when compared to us.
17:13 mp_sails somehow. and yet...
17:13 The20YearIRCloud But, you don't have to go to a hospital to get one, you can go to a healthcare clinic that isn't attached to any government program, isn't required to pay any government fees and the like, and they magically cost $149, using newer machines
17:14 The20YearIRCloud In Columbus, a group got together and called every single hospital, and every single MRI clinic and got the price for their MRI scans. The average hospital (Which is highly regulated, takes government money, is required by law to provide everyone with medical care regardless of whether they can pay and so on) ran from a minimum of $1600 to a maximum of
17:14 The20YearIRCloud $2,500. The independent clinics that did MRIs and a few other small things ranged from $149 to the very highest at $279
17:15 mp_sails which is about where igt is. i mean yeah sure the equipment is expensive and the staff has ot be qualified.
17:15 mp_sails but you know what ? power plants are also expenmsive, and the staff qualified. yet the kwh is not $850
17:15 mp_sails yet at least. maybe they elect al gore and it goes there.
17:15 The20YearIRCloud Power plant isn't also required to give free electricity out. They can cut people off
17:15 mp_sails ha
17:15 mp_sails hahahahahah
17:15 mp_sails look into that sometime.
17:16 mp_sails they have to spend $1k to install fancy stuff so nonpayers can be "limited", it's a whole shitshow
17:16 The20YearIRCloud Where?
17:16 mp_sails pretty much everywhere.
17:16 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
17:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.83, Best ask: 448.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.86000, Last trade: 446.83, 24 hour volume: 25066.19201089, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 452.67, 24 hour vwap: 421.882216672
17:16 The20YearIRCloud Not around here
17:17 mp_sails if you think you just cut power to the deadbeats and that's it you're living a dream.
17:17 asciilifeform looking at cost of medicinal whatever in usaschwitz without considering the automatic, inevitable effect of the giant moneybag - is like studying corpse with magnifying glass to search for cause of death, ignoring twenty bullet holes
17:17 asciilifeform see also the 'housing in siliconvalley' thread.
17:17 The20YearIRCloud mp_sails: looking real quick at what places do it, it seems NY and CA do that, but i can certify that in Ohio, they cut your power
17:18 mp_sails well ok, i dunno ohio specifically.
17:18 mp_sails http://consumer-law.lawyers.com/consumer-contracts/what-happens-if-you-cant-pay-a-utility-bill.html << a primer.
17:18 assbot Utility Bill Cutoffs | Lawyers.com
17:19 pete_dushenski http://contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ << linux users: feel free to let me know if i missed or botched something!
17:19 assbot Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
17:19 mp_sails can't cu tpower if it's cold. or hot. or if the deadbeat has a doctor's note. or makes a promise to pay
17:19 mp_sails or etc.
17:20 The20YearIRCloud Ohio has a freeze deal where if it's below freezing they won't shut it off till it thaws out, then they shut it off
17:20 The20YearIRCloud The promise to pay for all the Ohio plants is pretty simple, if you can obtain credit they'll extend payment over summer months, but quite a few can't qualify for it
17:20 The20YearIRCloud Well ,deadbeats can't
17:20 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 'Only plain text files (.txt) can be encrypted.' << ???
17:21 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/
17:21 jurov pete_dushenski: on linux, user usually installs gpg using package manager, not install it from source
17:21 The20YearIRCloud mp_sails: why the name change?
17:22 mp_sails unless you actually read code, the compile business is a little silly.
17:22 jurov pete_dushenski: or you expressly want everyone to avoid gpg 2.0?
17:22 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: umm … lol ya that's not true, is it.
17:22 mp_sails The20YearIRCloud, well cause im travelling
17:22 The20YearIRCloud you sailing?
17:23 mp_sails practically!
17:23 pete_dushenski jurov: 2.0 is fine, but it doesn't work for older mac os x, so i ended up lumping linux in with 1.4
17:23 pete_dushenski besides, isn't older better?
17:23 pete_dushenski i don't know if 1.4 works with gpg services on >osx 10.6
17:24 mp_sails um why wouldn't it ?
17:24 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: but the command line operations only recognize .txt files, neh?
17:25 mp_sails ben_vulpes: just want to bang on a drum all day? <<< i've never banged on a drum before...
17:25 mp_sails pete_dushenski, neh.
17:25 mp_sails tis a silly proposition, wtf has format to d owith anything ? this is unix not windows.
17:25 asciilifeform mp_sails: new meaning for 'drumhead court-martial'...
17:25 mp_sails lol
17:25 mp_sails "she gives drum head!"
17:26 jurov pete, the site you linked says about linux binaries "The following links direct you to external sites and those may provide old and possible very outdated versions of GnuPG."
17:26 jurov so it's better to just say use package manager
17:26 mp_sails in any case on;ly use SIGNED binaries.
17:26 mp_sails and verify the signature is actually correct etc.
17:27 mp_sails incidentally, this is a key service b-a should provide i think. maintain a repository of key software infrastructure, precompiled, signed.
17:27 mp_sails prolly too soon, but anyway.
17:28 asciilifeform mp_sails: precompiled << for what. (e.g., which libc? and who volunteers to grok and sign that? etc)
17:28 kakobrekla most often the signature and file is on same server which makes the whole thing kinda useless
17:28 asciilifeform mp_sails: 'it's all in one strand!'
17:28 asciilifeform obligatory classic: http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2
17:28 assbot The Spittoon - Pastebin.com
17:29 bounce as long as the signing key isn't there, how is that proximity a problem?
17:29 kakobrekla ah brainfart, i was thinking hash
17:30 pete_dushenski jurov mp_sails editing, ty!
17:30 jurov btw as most package managers do use gpg to check packages, it is usually preinstalled
17:32 mthreat mp_sails: here is your official background music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7khQNR7s1Ho
17:32 assbot Sailing - Christopher Cross - YouTube
17:34 The20YearIRCloud that just played on my spotify
17:34 mp_sails mthreat, not bad!
17:35 mp_sails asciilifeform, i know, huge workload. but once btc is 800k i think ima hire a small office dedicatdd to it
17:35 mp_sails <kakobrekla> most often the signature and file is on same server which makes the whole thing kinda useless << i mean, wot signature.
17:36 asciilifeform mp_sails: not merely huge workload. journey to the moon on stacked chairs - unless done correctly - i.e. bonfire of the computations.
17:37 mp_sails asciilifeform, perhaps.
17:37 mp_sails still, fact remains people grab a copy of gpg or w/e.
17:37 mp_sails openssl.
17:38 mp_sails and the next chair on that pile is, proper github. ie, github with read wot.
17:39 bounce how'd that work?
17:39 mp_sails that was the worst youtube experience ever mthreat. 3 seconds sound, 10 seconds buffering ftw.
17:39 mp_sails bounce, every line of code bears the signature of all the people who read it and certify it's fine.
17:39 mp_sails well, "logical" line anyway
17:40 asciilifeform mp_sails: only to have whole edifice poisoned by a subtle multithreaded 'bug' in kernel, or small 'mistake' in cpu microcode.
17:40 mp_sails so you can set your package manager to disregard anything say w/o 3 assbot l2 trust.
17:40 bounce chinesely interesting figuring out how to do that without exploding the store
17:40 mp_sails asciilifeform, at the very least this is better than nothing. at the very best this goes all the way to chips.
17:41 bounce unless you'd go for the obvious but inconvenient route of signing everything in a specific commit
17:41 mp_sails ie, consumer group pressure power : either get your chips assbot-certified or don't sell to us.
17:41 asciilifeform mp_sails: investing in existing infrastructure, paradoxically, makes us all the more fucked - imho
17:41 mp_sails bounce, agreed. which is why it's introduced as a chair for a chair for later on.
17:41 asciilifeform mp_sails: on account of becoming ever more reluctant to put it to the torch
17:41 mp_sails asciilifeform, investing in future infrastructure has us waiting for xmases.
17:42 mp_sails practically speaking, practice will be a practical exercise.
17:42 asciilifeform mp_sails: for the practical and immediate - BingoBoingo's approach. (curate a museum)
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-raid-updated-fact-fud/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/greenpeace-accepting-bitcoin-donations/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-jet/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-raided/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/cointerra-16nm-shiva-asic/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-prices-under-400/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-35/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/braintree-paypal-company-accept-bitcoin/
17:43 mp_sails ;;later tell jborkl if you keep doin this multiline spam of old posts hyou'll end up out of pinguirker
17:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:44 asciilifeform incidentally, for the practical&immediate folks, i recommend study of f. bellard's 'tinycc'.
17:45 mp_sails asciilifeform, well... what's one to do you know ?
17:45 mp_sails one that isn't torvalds.
17:45 asciilifeform mp_sails: it's a c compiler a man can read.
17:45 mp_sails no i know what tinycc is.
17:46 asciilifeform mp_sails: x86, but trivial retarget.
17:46 mp_sails was talking at museum line
17:46 asciilifeform mp_sails: museum - collect apparatus from a generation ago. not because 'clean', but because can be studied with considerably lighter effort.
17:47 mp_sails ben_vulpes: "these hypothetical children are guests of our children, obviously. Our progeny will have refined palettes before they can hold a crayon." << o boy are you in for a crude soulraep.
17:47 asciilifeform mp_sails: just here in this channel, you'll turn up at least two, perhaps three people who, as boys, understood virtually the entire 'ms-dos' say.
17:47 mp_sails asciilifeform, i'm the one they laugh at for "ux", whike they get owned with shitty riuby/java/what have you
17:47 * mp_sails proud user of the museum paradigm.
17:50 bounce oh the days of walking through (live) memory with a self-written memory dumper, or trawling the disk with whatwasit, norton or undelete, to see what old crap I'd deleted months ago
17:50 mp_sails bounce, undelete yeah
17:50 mp_sails except the non-dos version had some bugs ruined some hdds
17:51 mp_sails that was a lol. back in 1993 or w/e it was
17:51 mp_sails when did windows nt come out again ?
17:51 bounce this was drdos (5? with 4dos of course), so probably something slightly different again. did look at, but IIRC didn't keep a copy of the drdos 7 source when it got released.
17:51 mp_sails ha, 1993, right i am
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17:52 mp_sails mthreat, how do you say decaulker in espanol ?
17:53 mp_sails in retrospect, hard to believe it's been 20 years and ms is sgtill a thing.
17:54 bounce needed quite the fsckton of tools to compile. TASM, MASM, BCC, whatever else. various versions even, they apparently weren't great at keeping a lid on the requirements mess.
17:55 * BingoBoingo had a laptop arrive with manufacterer branded DOS 3.3 once
17:55 ThickAsThieves is enky's blog in the b-a blogroll?
17:55 mp_sails bounce, i remember the shock and awe when i noticed gwbasic can produce bytecode
17:55 ThickAsThieves i dont think it is
17:55 mp_sails "just like a real program!!11"
17:55 mp_sails ThickAsThieves, not afaik.
17:55 mp_sails enky is very shy for some reason.
17:56 ThickAsThieves he'll talk about ta stuff tho
17:56 mp_sails !up Enky
17:57 mthreat mp_sails: decaulker? what is that? a tool that removes caulking?
17:57 mp_sails mhm
17:58 mthreat not sure in spanish, especially argentine spanish. according to google translate, "caulking" -> "calafateo", and "caulk" -> "masilla"
17:59 mthreat maybe "un herramienta para sacar masilla o calafateo"
17:59 mthreat ("a tool for removing caulking or caulk")
17:59 mp_sails i now have a mindbreaking question for spanish speaking english ppl! yay.
17:59 * mthreat mind broken
17:59 bounce probably don't want to remove that stuff while sailing
17:59 mthreat agree with bounce
17:59 mp_sails i collect those. once broke the will to live of a young girl teaching english at uni
18:00 mp_sails by asking her to translate flail to romanian.
18:00 mp_sails bounce, it's not my boat so...
18:00 mthreat MP hobbies: cognac, bitcoin, breaking wills, ...
18:00 mp_sails bitcoin is no hobby!
18:01 mthreat but the others ...
18:02 mp_sails (flail is imblaciu in ro, the process a imblaci. it's such an obscure word pretty much only medieval tool specialists evne know it)
18:08 Namworld Paypal is going to do... what?
18:09 Namworld Re tat's link
18:09 mp_sails nothing and make a pr thing about it.
18:18 mp_sails well that'll be all for now, laters!
18:20 Namworld It managed to make price go all derpy again.
18:28 JuliaTourianski_ brock pierce strikes again, paypal kind of accepting btc
18:29 JuliaTourianski_ +Rassah I know you, privet
18:29 bounce !up rassah
18:30 Rassah hi
18:30 Rassah Surprised to see you here :)
18:32 mats_cd03 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/security/dn800983
18:32 assbot Online Services Bug Bounty Guidelines
18:33 mats_cd03 ms announces bug bounty for vulns on its domains.
18:33 BingoBoingo !up strpfndr
18:35 strpfndr hi, BingoBoingo, thanks. nothing to say though.
18:36 strpfndr ohhh, maybe I do :) Did I send you the application I'd sent to Breakout Labs?
18:36 strpfndr (on the same subject we had discussed)
18:36 BingoBoingo strpfndr: No, don't particular care to recieve it either.
18:37 BingoBoingo !down strpfndr
18:47 BingoBoingo https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1304620-bfl-statement-final-09-23-14.html
18:47 assbot BFL Statement FINAL 09 23 14
18:48 BingoBoingo d-turded: http://dpaste.com/2CDFD45
18:48 assbot dpaste: 2CDFD45
18:49 ben_vulpes JuliaTourianski_: why'd you keep the underscore?
18:50 ben_vulpes <mp_sails> if i actually sailed myself i'd prolly sink the whole show << daw it ain't that hard
18:50 ben_vulpes 2 masts?
18:56 ben_vulpes mp_sails: just 'cause she claims it dun mean i buy it to any degree. larvae are larvae.
18:57 Duffer1 BUTTERFLY LABS RESPONSE more lies from lying liers
18:57 Duffer1 liars even
18:57 kakobrekla alibaba is supposedly worth as much as all the properties in slovenia.
19:02 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle.
19:07 decimation asciilifeform: re:existing infrastructure << I think openbsd refuses to support multiple cpus
19:09 decimation mp_sails: are you using imarsat?
19:10 decimation s/imarsat/inmarsat/
19:10 ben_vulpes JuliaTourianski_: talk to nanotube if you want it changed. say "please" - he's a nice guy.
19:12 bounce IIRC you can do that yourself with gribble. also group the nick with nickserv
19:13 decimation kakobrekla: I think I would rather own slovenia
19:15 BingoBoingo <decimation> asciilifeform: re:existing infrastructure << I think openbsd refuses to support multiple cpus << Come on they have a kernel that plays nice with multiprocessors
19:17 decimation BingoBoingo: yeah I must have been reading some old docs
19:18 BingoBoingo decimation: Well, maybe not that old. The thing is OpenBSD's multiprocessor handling is different than other people's really interesting subject.
19:18 decimation do you have some dox?
19:23 BingoBoingo I'm digging for some. Here's a discussion that hit on some of the points http://openbsd.7691.n7.nabble.com/State-of-multiprocessing-and-multithreading-in-OpenBSD-td99419.html
19:23 assbot openbsd user - misc - State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD
19:24 BingoBoingo decimation: http://books.google.com/books?id=PN6Xy9zWAbsC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=openbsd+multiprocessor&source=bl&ots=Ud7mAj6peO&sig=AiaCmfuKMVFRhuLGypHxbbvfGFM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AAEiVLSLOMmvyAT66IKwDQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=openbsd%20multiprocessor&f=false
19:24 assbot Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid - Michael W. Lucas - Google Books
19:29 danielpbarron i have that book -- good stuff
19:29 BingoBoingo Yeah
19:29 decimation heh thanks
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19:52 BingoBoingo http://www.snopes.com/photos/bodymods/jasminetridevil.asp
20:03 peterl Is it just my kid's school, or do all teachers use comic sans for communication with parents?
20:03 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes> ty darling
20:04 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes ty darling* my hand hurt, can't type
~ 17 minutes ~
20:22 BingoBoingo peterl: They do that to grab your attention
20:22 BingoBoingo Because if you stare at their dispatch in disgust you might accidentally read it.
20:22 peterl lol
~ 15 minutes ~
20:37 bounce that postulate fails hanlon's razor
20:39 BingoBoingo bounce: There's too many razors to keep them all straight
20:43 ben_vulpes incompetence, malice, who can ever tell.
20:44 ben_vulpes one man's incompetence another's malice.
20:44 ben_vulpes one man's greed another man's short against the shartup market.
20:44 ben_vulpes etc etc etc etc
~ 27 minutes ~
21:11 mod6 %p
21:11 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 95.29 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.77 TH/s
21:11 mod6 %d
21:11 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 296415.54 in 888 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.22
21:11 mod6 %v
21:12 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 266 30d-Vol: 166k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 189
21:15 BingoBoingo mod6: What does it take to add a pool to the bot?
~ 21 minutes ~
21:36 mod6 BingoBoingo: not too much. you got one to add?
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1566 @ 0.00074975 = 1.1741 BTC [+]
21:37 BingoBoingo mod6: http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/ is the one chalbersma made
21:37 assbot P2Pool
21:37 BingoBoingo It prolly needs a name though
21:37 RagnarDanneskjol he's going to publish the source for it shortly
21:37 BingoBoingo so call it whatever humors you
21:37 RagnarDanneskjol I can give it anyname you want
21:37 mod6 heh
21:37 mod6 ok
21:37 BingoBoingo Ah
21:41 RagnarDanneskjol mod6 - you don't need anything besides the IP addr, correct?
21:44 mod6 well... testing now. lemme see.
21:45 mod6 hrm. well it didn't pick anything up
21:45 mod6 < BitOTTer460> >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 142.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [p2p Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
21:45 RagnarDanneskjol i thought it might be a bit different config for p2pool
21:45 RagnarDanneskjol I know someone who did it before - will ask
21:46 mod6 so, this interface looks just like CoinMiner.net, and I recall, before they had a JSON feed to parse, I had a lot of trouble scraping the HTML because the pool hashrate is buried in a span
21:46 RagnarDanneskjol right
21:46 mod6 so, if they ever get a JSON feed, let me know, will add right away.
21:47 RagnarDanneskjol i will ask chris to set it up
21:47 mod6 cool. ok, let me know :]
21:47 RagnarDanneskjol its on my server - I would give it a shit but will prolly fuk it up
21:47 RagnarDanneskjol a shot*
21:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: strap finder came for you again!
21:49 asciilifeform lol.
21:49 asciilifeform (stirrup finder ?)
21:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah I saw one of their joins and upped the strapon finder
21:49 BingoBoingo unsolicited, like their PM's
21:49 asciilifeform ahahah.
21:50 kakobrekla strup finder?
21:50 asciilifeform kakobrekla: aka ninjaspammer
21:51 kakobrekla ;;translate slovenian english strup
21:51 gribble Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
21:51 kakobrekla meh
21:52 kakobrekla nanotube any chance to get that fixed
21:52 asciilifeform kakobrekla: forget english. струп ~= scab.
21:52 kakobrekla :)
21:55 BingoBoingo You know I have no idea why the spicy food fanatics stayed confined to capcaisin when Urushiol containing plants tend to offer a different yet interesting punch.
21:55 JuliaTourianski_ anyone know Toni Lane Casserly?
21:56 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Not personally
21:57 BingoBoingo Is that the 90's band TLC?
21:59 * BingoBoingo is curious if anyone here casts iron themselves, may be interested in a two hundred thousand quart pot.
21:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: two hundred thousand quart pot << try #cannibalism ?
22:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not for biodiesel, for flipping upside down and using as a residence. The hexayurt thing is making me imagine.
22:01 BingoBoingo I already have an adequate tent, but... what would be the nice opposite of that.
22:03 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Do you know TLC?
22:03 JuliaTourianski_ THE LEARNING CHANNEL
22:04 JuliaTourianski_ no, who/what is tlc?
22:04 asciilifeform thin-layer chromatography ?
22:04 * asciilifeform doesn't know of any other tlc
22:04 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: No, that person you asked us about
22:05 nanotube kakobrekla: google translate is now a pay-api... so gotta move to another api provider. and well... it just doesn't seem too urgent :)
22:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is a favorite tlc, I use it to tell when my car interior need cleaning.
22:08 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo no never met her
22:08 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo just heard about her today
22:08 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Ah, wondering why you were asking. I'm trying to navigate her site nao.
22:11 BingoBoingo Well, also as I research backyard furnace designs
22:11 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCWdsrVcBM << herr wolfram renamed his best-selling gizmo for some reason.
22:11 assbot "Inside the Wolfram Language" by Stephen Wolfram - YouTube
22:11 asciilifeform good demo.
22:11 asciilifeform (obligatory wolfram: https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram )
22:11 assbot Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
22:13 asciilifeform (me & mathematica - a few years of fun. described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746 )
22:13 assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure
22:13 BingoBoingo Probably because Julia is the new trendy science language or something
22:13 asciilifeform (comment thread)
22:14 asciilifeform herr wolfram's megalomania did not happen in empty space. he has a total, watertight monopoly on something - just as steve jobs did.
22:14 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo she was mentioned to me, im always curious about new girls in btc
22:14 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo because im sexist
22:15 asciilifeform nobody seems to ask 'who're the new girls in high-temperature metallurgy'
22:15 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: I'm interested in everyone.
22:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> nobody seems to ask 'who're the new girls in high-temperature metallurgy' << Already filed under things I look for in a potential wife.
22:16 asciilifeform or 'new girlz in deep sea oil & gas exploration'
22:16 asciilifeform NGIDSOGE.
22:17 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo i did admit i was sexist
22:18 asciilifeform 'new gurlz in electron beam lithography'
22:18 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: The trick is being sexist for the right queries.
22:18 * asciilifeform invites others to nominate additional fields we need 'new girls in...'
22:18 JuliaTourianski_ +asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GC4q5N0W4o
22:18 assbot Carolyn Porco's Life At Saturn - YouTube
22:19 BingoBoingo If you want to investigate who might be representing themselves as Bitcoin to SIliconvalley tards of course be sexist and focus on the girls.
22:19 asciilifeform ^ not new girl
22:19 JuliaTourianski_ +asciilifeform I hate that word...need. liberal bullshit no?
22:19 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo oh are we having a serious convo?
22:20 JuliaTourianski_ +asciilifeform i know, but a cool one
22:20 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Of course, this is mega professional chan. You took danielpbarron's trollbait and made an earnest effort.
22:21 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo hehe
22:21 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo to be fair, very young cute girls are more rarely seen in btc than dudes. so it naturally peaks my curiosity
22:21 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: danielpbarron is a rare bird here in that he is an orthodoxy attracted thinker that can stick around.
22:22 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Of course. It is a practical reason to have focus.
22:22 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo focus is going too far
22:22 BingoBoingo I'm just amazed that TLC's writing sections... has images of fountain pens.
22:23 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: Nah, focus happens in degrees, otherwise eyes wouldn't be tenable
22:24 BingoBoingo You'd have to choose between the coarse mechanism that produces melanin in skin and a scanning tunneling microscope otherwise
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7497 @ 0.00075088 = 5.6293 BTC [+] {2}
22:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I do appreciate your endorsement earlier for the museum approach to IT
22:27 punkman BingoBoingo: I already have an adequate tent, but... what would be the nice opposite of that. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb1pdvvoVoQ
22:27 assbot I Didn't Know That - Concrete Tent - YouTube
22:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i practice it.
22:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I know. Shame you HP RISC stuff wasn't more useful
22:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bulky.
22:30 BingoBoingo Yeah, turning into a concern at the moment
22:30 BingoBoingo Even fucking 68k macs are starting to seem bulky as I plan for contingencies.
22:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unlike pa-risc, you can get 68k portables.
22:32 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: WHY DO YOUR FUCKING BRAVES HAVE TO CHOKE SO LATE IN THE SEASON!!!
22:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but considering two legs of contingency trip involve feet instead of tires...
22:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have a 'powerbook duo' somewhere.
22:35 BingoBoingo I might settle for atom netbook of particular vintage as a candidate for burining.
22:36 BingoBoingo Makes centuries ROM disk seem like a trivial task by comparison though.
22:37 BingoBoingo On a related note, wasn't the Palm V a nifty piece of harware?
22:38 asciilifeform was, yes.
22:38 BingoBoingo Shame about being the harbringer of iPod solder you own batteries
22:38 asciilifeform said who? there was a plug inside.
22:39 asciilifeform (even in apple's machines, afaik)
22:40 BingoBoingo Well... people who bought a bunch for $7
22:41 BingoBoingo Sure, replacement of batteries is possible without soldering and heating batteries, but... I worry about the social engineering threat where nifty microcomputer gets defamed as a bomb by homo retardus
22:42 BingoBoingo !up nezZario
22:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.newertech.com/imgs/products/batteries/ipod/ipod_5g_battery_main.png << plug.
22:43 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski: So in what context did you learn of this new girl? I'm a trained libraian
22:43 asciilifeform plenty of damning things can be said about apple products that are... actually true.
22:43 asciilifeform 'soldered batteries' isn't one.
22:44 decimation I use asus atom netbok for portability; cheap & reliable
22:44 decimation asciilifeform: apparently 'soldered batteries' were a favorite of HP to force you to send back your expensive test gear for service.
22:45 BingoBoingo https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod+Touch+3rd+Generation+Battery+Replacement/3306
22:45 assbot iPod Touch 3rd Generation Battery Replacement - iFixit
22:45 TheNewDeal what os you rocking decimation?
22:45 decimation arch linux
22:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It wasn't consistently one
22:45 asciilifeform aha there it is!
22:45 asciilifeform soldered battery.
22:45 TheNewDeal does that feature a dependency hell?
22:45 decimation I would consider migrating to openbsd, but I'm not sure it would have a friendly user interface
22:45 asciilifeform well, not really soldered battery though.
22:45 asciilifeform just cable.
22:46 asciilifeform as pictured, even a kid can safely swap this one.
22:46 decimation they have a variant of 'ports', they seem to actively manage dependencies pretty well
22:46 decimation I would recommend arch linux for learning more about linux
22:46 TheNewDeal oooh
22:46 decimation although they jumped on the systemd bandwagon
22:47 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well in those scenarios my favored fix is scotch tape+conductor.
22:47 JuliaTourianski +BingoBoingo hhaha just someone said to me she's "penetrating the btc scene" so I figured I should probably know of her if that's the case
22:47 TheNewDeal is that at all similar to android init.d?
22:47 decimation heh. it's a replacement actually, and not everyone is a fan
22:48 BingoBoingo decimation> I would consider migrating to openbsd, but I'm not sure it would have a friendly user interface << Can be done, just worry about drivers first.
22:48 decimation replacing init scripts that have been inherited from the early unix days with aimless binaries
22:48 TheNewDeal my knowledge of daemons stops as Warcraft 1
22:48 asciilifeform jumped on the systemd bandwagon << and you're using this on your own free will ?
22:48 decimation the most annoying part to me is getting rid of a text syslog
22:48 BingoBoingo <decimation> although they jumped on the systemd bandwagon << Alpine Linux still defaults to clean
22:49 decimation asciilifeform: yeah too lazy to switch off
22:49 decimation asciilifeform: did you see this site: http://boycottsystemd.org/
22:49 assbot boycott systemd
22:49 asciilifeform sure.
22:49 BingoBoingo decimation: Solution might be to be lazier to avoid the systemd update???
22:50 asciilifeform coming next: boycottshitpizza.org
22:50 asciilifeform don't eat at coprophagic restaurants!
22:50 decimation hehe yeah. when the update mechanism begs you to upgrade, the seduction is hard to avoid
22:51 asciilifeform presence of such a mechanism is a very loud bell that you were gravely mistaken to go there at all.
22:51 decimation "Contribute to and use distros like Slackware, CRUX, Funtoo, and Gentoo that follow traditional Unix paradigms."
22:51 asciilifeform be glad for the bell.
22:51 asciilifeform it tells you to: run.
22:52 BingoBoingo decimation: What happens when you are stuck at OS 7.5.1
22:52 decimation yeah, for instance apparently freenode was hacked
22:52 BingoBoingo What happens when Chicago becomes Charcoal in OS 8?
22:52 decimation the fact that our identification mechanism depends very little on freenode security shows a strong point
22:52 decimation that's a bell too
22:53 decimation BingoBoingo: people who upgrade macs are already very familiar with this hell
22:53 decimation apple is famous for deprecating any feature that an advanced user would find useful
22:53 BingoBoingo decimation: True Macs have only 1 upgrade, OS??? to A/UX
22:54 BingoBoingo Because real macs don't run OS 8 or have PPC
22:54 decimation actually I was sad when apple capitulated to wintel
22:54 BingoBoingo A True Mac is just a Giant TI-89
22:55 BingoBoingo decimation: True story Bought my first cumputer around 2000
22:55 decimation my objection to macos 9 and earlier wasn't that it was a terrible user experience, it was mainly its inability to gracefully handle errors
22:55 BingoBoingo was roughly $10
22:55 decimation more often then not it would just lock & reboot randomly
22:55 BingoBoingo OS 7 handles errors liek an angel
22:56 BingoBoingo The surviving Mac Classic still boots.
22:56 decimation perhaps the macs I had in high school were shit
22:56 decimation I would agree that mac classic i suprisingly usable
22:56 BingoBoingo On its original 40 MB hard drive
22:57 BingoBoingo Only problem with the classic is the SE/30 already existed
22:57 decimation In retrospect, apple should have gotten on the bsd/nextstep bandwagon around '90 or so
22:57 BingoBoingo And kill BSD as it was about to be Free?
22:58 asciilifeform decimation: apple as traditionally understood - does not exist now.
22:58 BingoBoingo History's accidents are where it gets beautiful.
22:58 asciilifeform decimation: 'next' burned it, salted the earth where it stood, and renamed self 'apple'.
22:59 decimation yeah that's a good point, I guess the bsd lawsuit didn't end until '94
22:59 BingoBoingo Yeah
22:59 decimation asciilifeform: next stuff was actually pretty neat
22:59 BingoBoingo There's a Theo interview with a lot of that history
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: apple was also, occasionally, pretty neat.
23:00 BingoBoingo Sun was neat too, if only they had kneepads and made a consumer machine
23:00 decimation my perception is that sun died when 'wintel' was adopted by the baby boomers
23:00 decimation some time in the late 90's even management started using windows
23:01 decimation that, and the cpu vendors used by sun just didn't keep up with intel performance
23:03 BingoBoingo Well Sun probably died when the started handing out Solaris install media to fuckers like me who bought their stock at $3.60
23:03 BingoBoingo And the T-SHirts...
23:04 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski: Have you seen this girl's twitter? https://twitter.com/tonilanec
23:04 assbot Toni Lane Casserly (tonilanec) | Twitter
23:04 decimation my understanding is that sun never made much money on the os
23:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00074972 = 14.2447 BTC [-]
23:05 decimation 'advisor of crypto companies'?
23:05 BingoBoingo decimation: And yet they could have
23:06 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, like animals in crypto zoos
23:06 Dimsler lol
23:06 hanbot <thestringpuller> I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face. << ever see a face buried in sand?
23:06 Dimsler JuliaTourianski is still around?
23:06 JuliaTourianski +Dimsler yes sir
23:06 JuliaTourianski +BingoBoingo ye..lol i have
23:06 BingoBoingo <hanbot> <thestringpuller> I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face. << ever see a face buried in sand? << In Josh's case that has to be glass by now
23:06 JuliaTourianski +BingoBoingo like i said, very young :)
23:06 Dimsler JuliaTourianski, you get my pm?
23:07 hanbot BingoBoingo make a decent paperweight.
23:07 JuliaTourianski +Dimsler no
23:08 BingoBoingo hanbot: Shame he's on the wrong side of Missouri to do some decent leaded crystal. Where is fucking Quantrill to burn Kansas* when you need him
23:10 hanbot well, in a different kind of dirt
23:11 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski> +BingoBoingo like i said, very young :) << Well you can ascribe judgements and direct people to more interesting aspects of things. Pad uncertain declatory claims appropriately and gnerally work on mastering the sort of IRC ettiquette where you can have 25 conversations at the same time./
23:12 BingoBoingo hanbot: And this is what makes the Middle west Truly Amazing. In Missouri you get lead, Illinois sulfur with the occasional bit of coal, In Iowa you get all the Uranium
23:12 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:13 BingoBoingo The part where in Iowa it takes something other than a study of the water table to determine if a basement is safe... Fuck we are so deep into the future.
23:17 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
23:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.71, Best ask: 435.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 435.88, 24 hour volume: 27550.96246059, 24 hour low: 393.6, 24 hour high: 452.67, 24 hour vwap: 428.030196886
23:18 BingoBoingo Oh, where's the limited rally nao???
23:18 decimation BingoBoingo: it's possible a little bit of radiation is good for you, depending on who you ask
23:19 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, but suffocation on heavy ass radon is good for noone
23:20 decimation yeah probably not
23:23 BingoBoingo A lot of limitations on people in urnanium mining are not radiation concerns alone, but also suffocation concerns.
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4087 @ 0.00074972 = 3.0641 BTC [-]
23:28 BingoBoingo Fuck Chiraq
23:28 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/#
23:28 assbot Willkommen bei Twitter - Anmelden oder Registrieren
23:29 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/514614401803235328
23:29 assbot Cubs win 4-3 on Castillo walk-off single in the 10th. Magic Number stays at 4
23:29 BingoBoingo !up mp_colonist
23:30 mp_colonist :p
23:33 BingoBoingo How does it feel to land?
23:33 decimation lol from ascii's blog : https://web.archive.org/web/20091005062446/http://danweinreb.org/blog/rebuttal-to-stallmans-story-about-the-formation-of-symbolics-and-lmi
23:33 assbot Dan Weinreb’s blog » Blog Archive » Rebuttal to Stallman’s Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI
23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074972 = 18.743 BTC [-]
23:33 decimation it's pretty clear that stallman was a beta whiner 30 years ago too
23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00075135 = 3.8319 BTC [+]
23:35 mp_colonist not all that different BingoBoingo. choppy sea, then choppy land!
23:35 BingoBoingo Well if he wasn't he's be in the MLK Jr situation of having 30 heirs.
23:35 mp_colonist decimation, ya know i think we lolled about this one maybe a year or so ago
23:36 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: I've heard passenger travel on cargo ships might be a thing. Know any decent internet write ups?
23:36 mp_colonist no. most cargo ships have a few passenger spots if you can eat crew grub
23:36 mp_colonist course the cheapest way is to just sign up as crew for a voyage.
23:37 mp_colonist that way you actually get paid to travel
23:37 decimation my understanding is that many cargo ships have excellent grub
23:37 decimation because it's the only upside of your day on ship
23:37 mp_colonist hit and miss from what i hear
23:38 BingoBoingo It's just the darien sounds a lot like the classic design of a fish trap... And I ate the things in America Grad students can afford to eat.
23:38 hanbot just don't end up in chittagong
23:38 mp_colonist what's in chickatadong ?
23:39 hanbot dead cargo ships
23:39 BingoBoingo Fuck
23:39 decimation lol http://www.officercadet.com/showthread.php/7373-Why-is-food-onboard-cargo-ships-generally-poor
23:39 assbot Why is food onboard cargo ships generally poor?
23:39 decimation "On one of the ships I was on (I won't mention nationality but they're rather fond of beetroot) we didn't have any fruit or vegetables at all, and I ended up requiring surgery abroad due to lack of fibre in my diet. There was hardly any meat either, so not enough protein or fats in the diet either. Unsurprisingly there wasn't a lack of vodka that came with the stores so it wasn't about a low budget. "
23:39 mp_colonist hey what was that film with the zoo keeper that travels on a cargo ship with family ?
23:40 hanbot life of pi?
23:40 mp_colonist mebbe
23:40 mp_colonist decimation, sounds like ship ho trying to pass broken butt on diet.
23:41 BingoBoingo <decimation> "On one of the ships I was on (I won't mention nationality but they're rather fond of beetroot) we didn't have any fruit or vegetables at all, and I ended up requiring surgery abroad due to lack of fibre in my diet. There was hardly any meat either, so not enough protein or fats in the diet either. Unsurprisingly there wasn't a lack of vodka that came with the stores so it wasn't about a low budget. " << Virtue of Alc
23:41 BingoBoingo oholism, the unrecycleale bile will keep your turds moving.
23:41 decimation yeah, plus probably ate no beets
23:41 decimation I imagine the food quality depends on the faceless cheapness of the corp. who owns the ship
23:42 mp_colonist decimation, improbable, coinsidering what the crew costs
23:42 mp_colonist i imagine mostly depends on the cook
23:42 decimation heh yeah that's probably true, he probably selects the food
23:44 * BingoBoingo also considering apartment sized boats
23:47 mp_colonist ben_vulpes well nothing's hard once you've put the time into it.
23:48 mp_colonist kakobrekla: alibaba is supposedly worth as much as all the properties in slovenia. << 1. list slovenia on alibaba for price of 1 alibaba ; 2. have alibaba buy slovenia. 3. slovenia now worth two slovenias.
23:48 mp_colonist INFINITE PROFIT
23:48 asciilifeform arse-mouth system!
23:48 decimation lol
23:48 asciilifeform phree energy111!11
23:49 mp_colonist this explains both why alibaba is worth slovenia
23:49 mp_colonist and why slovenia is worth alibaba
23:49 decimation plus teh chinese would sell more bitcoin to bid up slovenibaba
23:49 mp_colonist i suppose this is a good bezzle unit. whatscrap sold for .15 alibabas
23:49 mp_colonist decimation, iBaba!
23:50 BingoBoingo Wow, Disposable pick up truck + fuel plus other side of the darien pick up truck looks cheaper than aeroplane
23:50 BingoBoingo Or did the euro sink that much
23:50 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --currency eur
23:50 gribble Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 337.114076, Best ask: 337.930766, Bid-ask spread: 0.81669, Last trade: 337.946322, 24 hour volume: 27696.23667592, 24 hour low: 306.14208, 24 hour high: 352.086726, 24 hour vwap: 332.954179809
23:50 mp_colonist asciilifeform, http://i.imgur.com/TpFJRiG.gif << mouse now has a counterparty.
23:51 decimation BingoBoingo: do you want to be kidnapped by random rebel group?
23:51 asciilifeform mp_colonist: lol! what sort of turtle is this.
23:51 mp_colonist an american turtle.
23:51 BingoBoingo decimation: Does random rebel group really want to capture and keep me or capture and release...
23:51 mp_colonist BingoBoingo, actually colombian rebels are mostly women.
23:52 decimation depends if they think they lever some bezzlars from someone for your hide
23:52 mp_colonist think, being taken by an armed amazon!
23:52 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: I know. That's... why it is more their worry than mine.
23:52 mp_colonist JuliaTourianski_:
23:52 mp_colonist +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle. << shit, vulpes. did you just get called by a girl ?!
23:54 mp_colonist decimation: mp_sails: are you using imarsat? << no idea, not my boat, i just sailed there.
23:54 mats_cd03 so vupen now has an escape from host for virtualbox
23:54 * mats_cd03 coughs
23:54 mp_colonist mats_cd03, what, ANY ?
23:54 asciilifeform mats_cd03: http://www.vupen.com/blog/20140725.Advanced_Exploitation_VirtualBox_VM_Escape.php << that one ?
23:54 assbot VUPEN Vulnerability Research Blog - Advanced Exploitation of VirtualBox 3D Acceleration VM Escape Vulnerability / Exploit (CVE-2014-0983)
23:56 asciilifeform incidentally, i assume everyone knows what vupen sells.
23:56 asciilifeform so, presumably this one is past 'sell by' freshness date.
23:58 * BingoBoingo hopes it surprises everyone when I travel to BA by puerto de tele
23:58 mats_cd03 i did not notice staleness
23:58 mats_cd03 slow on the up, this one.
23:58 asciilifeform staleness in the sense that whatever profit to be made, was made.
23:58 asciilifeform then - handed out for free to gawkers.
23:59 asciilifeform or - no one bid (who runs virtualbox?)
23:59 decimation yeah I suspect there are few juicy virtualbox-using targets
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