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00:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00086058 = 1.7212 BTC [+] {6}
00:19 herbijudlestoids diametric: im not a 3d printing expert sorry :( just sharing the occasional link i think others might find interesting
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.00084003 = 2.5201 BTC [-] {3}
00:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1007 @ 0.00084 = 0.8459 BTC [-]
00:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [+]
00:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56101902 = 2.2441 BTC [-] {4}
00:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]
00:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00089667 = 4.1247 BTC [+]
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01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0489999 = 1.47 BTC [+]
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01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2908 @ 0.00089706 = 2.6087 BTC [+]
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01:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00089795 = 4.8489 BTC [+]
01:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0489999 = 1.127 BTC [+]
01:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0489999 = 0.294 BTC [+]
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02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00089706 = 18.7037 BTC [-]
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02:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3193 @ 0.00007755 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {29}
02:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00007 = 0.56 BTC [-]
02:48 gecko_x2 sup :p
02:51 herbijudlestoids snb :b
02:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0004805 = 0.4805 BTC [+] {7}
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03:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1628 @ 0.00007 = 0.114 BTC [-]
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03:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59496956 BTC [+]
03:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59496956 = 1.1899 BTC [+]
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59496966 = 1.7849 BTC [+]
03:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.049 = 0.882 BTC [+]
03:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59498964 = 2.38 BTC [+] {2}
03:59 Duffer1 .d
03:59 ozbot 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1081 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.6905% in 6d 15h 3m 41s
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04:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59498963 = 1.785 BTC [-]
04:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00283975 = 0.284 BTC [+] {3}
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3586 @ 0.0008973 = 3.2177 BTC [+]
04:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.59499313 = 17.2548 BTC [+] {3}
04:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00571479 = 0.4629 BTC [+] {5}
05:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00574599 = 0.3333 BTC [+] {2}
05:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02751003 = 0.2751 BTC [-] {2}
05:20 herbijudlestoids whos around
05:21 herbijudlestoids credit cards have versible transactions, bitcoins dont. sometimes reversible transactions are provably useful, and arguably go to consumer piece of mind...discuss
05:21 herbijudlestoids is there space in the bitcoin ecomony for some kind of dispute arbitrage over payments?
05:22 herbijudlestoids obviously theres 2 of 3 style transactions, is that adequate? escrowe?
05:25 herbijudlestoids oh too late, already bitrated.com
05:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1134 @ 0.00009074 = 0.1029 BTC [-] {3}
05:34 punkman http://porngram.sexualitics.org/?q=mother%2Csister%2Cbrother%2Cfather
05:34 ozbot Porngram
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05:53 Duffer1 hello
05:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59 = 11.8 BTC [-] {2}
05:53 jurov hi Puffer1
05:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.601 = 17.429 BTC [+]
05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00089727 = 8.6138 BTC [-] {2}
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06:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00089864 = 8.0087 BTC [+] {2}
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00089706 = 8.2978 BTC [-]
06:24 KRS1 Ho
06:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol
06:39 Namworld I think I sent an email inquiring about advertising on Bitbet a few months ago. Don't think I ever got an answer on that, come to think of it.
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07:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02711112 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}
07:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00574705 = 0.1724 BTC [+] {3}
07:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00575643 = 0.1151 BTC [+] {3}
07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00327102 = 1.6355 BTC [-] {13}
07:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00545 = 0.1363 BTC [-]
07:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00542714 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5}
07:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [+]
07:44 mircea_popescu Namworld that'd be the first time kakobrekla missed one.
07:58 mircea_popescu https://sites.google.com/a/tcilgl.com/paracoin/ << anyone saw this ?
07:58 ozbot paracoin
08:04 ThickAsThieves note that google Sites allow an exploit to autofill hidden forms
08:06 mircea_popescu if you run js.
08:08 ThickAsThieves i dunno, something to do with keychain apps
08:10 mircea_popescu you mean last year's chrome vuln ?
08:13 ThickAsThieves no, the keychain app sees "google.com" in the url, and autofills the hidden form, then youre fed a poll or some such other "submit" button
08:14 ThickAsThieves i may be getting the details wrong but that's the gist of it
08:14 mircea_popescu aha
08:18 ThickAsThieves not sure why paracoin is using goxprice tho
08:19 ThickAsThieves isnt it time to finally cut the cord?
08:19 mircea_popescu cause tvconf is a stubborn self-deluding old timer and etc.
08:29 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437931.msg4838062#msg4838062 << mpoe-pr, aka cold ownage.
08:29 ozbot Throw Charlie under the bus and wash your hands clean of your biggest advocate
08:30 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00166114 = 0.8306 BTC [-]
08:34 ThickAsThieves what a retarded thread
08:35 ThickAsThieves some community...
08:36 Duffer1 i thought the luls were over for the night so i tried to sleep
08:36 Duffer1 couldn't sleep, now more luls
08:36 mircea_popescu welcome to bitcoin, where the luls never cease.
08:36 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it's taaki's thread. what else'd it be
08:37 Neil mircea_popescu: Likely it's been mentioned but bitbet is ~15 hrs behind the blockchain
08:37 ThickAsThieves ah i was trying to suss who was taaki
08:37 ThickAsThieves never knew his forum handle
08:37 mircea_popescu it has ?
08:38 mircea_popescu onoes. kakobrekla ! we're split!
08:38 ThickAsThieves bet No on all the bets!
08:38 mircea_popescu poor kako, prolly went to get his 13 hours of sleep this month
08:38 mircea_popescu result ? Last block: 13 hours 42 minutes ago
08:39 ThickAsThieves taaki is just jealous he had no friends to throw him under a bus, and no bus headed in is direction
08:40 Neil I don't think bitbet gives bettors their true time when it falls behind like this... which is kinda unfair
08:40 mircea_popescu Neil i think it goes by block times
08:40 ThickAsThieves if youre betting 15hours before close, youre probly doing it wrong
08:40 mircea_popescu suppose you bet now. bitbet doesn't know.
08:40 Neil mircea_popescu: I'm 90% sure it doesn't...
08:41 mircea_popescu once the demon restarts and it discovers your bet, it takes the blockstam time.
08:41 mircea_popescu o you are ?
08:41 mircea_popescu well then thanks for bringing it up, shall be checked
08:41 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no but losing 15 hours of weight for no apparent reason hurts across the board
08:42 ThickAsThieves word
08:42 mircea_popescu anyway, genjix used to think himself important, back when bitcoin consisted of me, some decent programmers which mostly meanwhile left, and a bunch of fucktards, just like him
08:42 mircea_popescu he felt like he's friends with "all of bitcoin", a few exceptions notwithstanding.
08:43 Duffer1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx4-KHwXOHk
08:43 ozbot Penis Will Make You Slap Somebody (must see) - YouTube
08:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile things like interscamgo have been laughed out of the space, and all he's left with is his expertise, which... you know. standup comedyt
08:43 ThickAsThieves UK picks Open Document Format for all government files
08:43 Namworld ...
08:44 Namworld Okay, I'll say it. Who's genjix?
08:44 ThickAsThieves next headline will be: Oracle Buys OpenOffice
08:44 mircea_popescu ;;google amir taaki wikipedia
08:44 gribble Amir Taaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Taaki>; Amir Taaki Interview and #Bitcoin 2013 Wrap Up | Jupiter ...: <http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/37516/amir-taaki-bitcoin-2013-plan-b-7/>; Amir Taaki Answers Your Questions About Bitcoin - Slashdot: <http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/11/06/22/1737237/amir-taaki-answers-your-questions- (1 more message)
08:44 ThickAsThieves he has a wiki
08:44 ThickAsThieves hehe
08:44 Namworld Ah, Amir
08:45 ThickAsThieves he's Scottish-English Iranian
08:45 mircea_popescu it's better than any uncyclopedia.
08:45 ThickAsThieves he got kicked out of high school for hacking
08:45 mircea_popescu aww shit, they ditched the sasquatch pic.
08:46 mircea_popescu anyone know how to navigate wikipedia history ?
08:47 Namworld ok, I'm out. It's 8 am. It's late.
08:47 ThickAsThieves click View History
08:47 ThickAsThieves ;)
08:47 ThickAsThieves top right
08:49 ThickAsThieves "You may be right, but you can't add negative information about living people to articles unless you have a high-quality source. Internet forums do not meet our definition of the term"
08:49 ThickAsThieves "But it's allowed for positive information? "
08:49 ThickAsThieves lol
08:50 truffles -assets seems to dislike ppl i like woot
08:50 mircea_popescu makes sense tho, if you didn't let random doofus self-report all the nice stuff they think about themselves
08:50 mircea_popescu the butthurt would cover wikipedia.
08:50 mircea_popescu truffles that's because you're an idiot.
08:50 truffles umk
08:50 truffles ure a small dick
08:51 ThickAsThieves oh no he ditnt!
08:51 davout tumbleweed.wav
08:51 mircea_popescu it's not that small.
08:51 truffles well it might as well be
08:51 truffles u try so hard to be the big dick though
08:51 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Amir_taaki.jpg
08:52 mircea_popescu ty tat.
08:52 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema pula mea
08:52 gribble The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/>; Wilcoxon tests for mean difference - Deakin University: <http://www.deakin.edu.au/buslaw/aef/workingpapers/papers/2011_6.pdf>; Stabilization Effects of Fiscal Policy in Croatia: <http://www.hnb.hr/dub- (1 more message)
08:52 mircea_popescu google u sux.
08:52 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/
08:52 ozbot NSFW - Pula mea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:52 truffles blog spam
08:53 ThickAsThieves so what is Bitcoin Foundation's next move after resigning Shrem?
08:53 mircea_popescu it makes a c0k big!
08:53 ThickAsThieves something to help it's image right?
08:53 ThickAsThieves “We are now witnessing the long-awaited arrival of mainstream online casinos into the bitcoin universe.”~Matonis
08:53 mircea_popescu derp.
08:53 ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/legal-online-gambling-next-major-bitcoin-market/
08:53 mircea_popescu i would bet the next move is some internal drama with someone leaving in a huff.
08:53 mircea_popescu at least that's how it ususally works.
08:54 mircea_popescu "He proposes a shift away from specialist thinking towards a creative society of generalist knowledge workers."
08:54 BingoBoingo Maybe they will find out Vesseness has a bong? or Hearn?
08:54 mircea_popescu ahahaa o gawdy, that wikipedia article rules.
08:55 mircea_popescu Derplandia! An Utopian Future! by A. A. Fucktardaki
08:55 ThickAsThieves a society of clay pot IPOs
08:55 ThickAsThieves “We are not here to engage in a legal debate, we are here to serve up the very first legitimate workaround to the complex online gambling laws in this US market. We are returning to Americans their freedom to choose and giving them their power back!”
08:55 mircea_popescu i wish this happened, seriously. if you could somehow get all the 20something derps their own fucking country...
08:55 mircea_popescu god it would be so great.
08:55 mircea_popescu in a decade or so we'd go on bimbo safari!
08:56 truffles 20something men everywhere
08:56 truffles sounds like a grand idead
08:56 mircea_popescu men no, but bois and retarded girls, pretty much.
08:57 punkman1 mircea_popescu: you just need to build a big boat, they'll come willingly
08:57 truffles lol
08:57 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "and we are conveniently forgetting to mention the other people who have been doing it for years and have much more volume than we everf had even in fiat"
08:57 mircea_popescu "because business can in fact be built upon self-delusion!"
08:58 mircea_popescu punkman1 yeah, but the problem is their parents wouldn't stay put.
08:58 mircea_popescu which is kind-of sad, really.
08:58 ThickAsThieves i like how he defines We Wanna Break the Law as "engage a legal debate"
08:58 mircea_popescu afaik it's not actually illegal, is it ?
08:59 ThickAsThieves in the US?
08:59 mircea_popescu yeah.
08:59 ThickAsThieves if it isnt it will be
08:59 truffles TAT are u still with "the foundation"?
08:59 ThickAsThieves i was never a part
08:59 mircea_popescu wasn't it illegal to process payments ?
08:59 truffles oh
08:59 ThickAsThieves i contemplating joining one day
08:59 ThickAsThieves then i didnt
09:00 mircea_popescu one more can of paint you avoided stepping into.
09:00 ThickAsThieves both feet are occupied anyway :)
09:00 mircea_popescu lol
09:14 ThickAsThieves so if I understand correctly, Cointerra is finally shipping. the 2nd batch of customers getting units along with the 1st batch. The machines are not to spec, but customers get a 15% coupon to buy more of them, as consolation. Refunds in fiat are allowed.
09:14 mircea_popescu that's pretty stellar considering the industry standards.
09:15 ThickAsThieves now that newegg and tigerdirect are selling bitcoin mining kits
09:16 ThickAsThieves it seems a major manufacturer must be contemplating an ASIC soon
09:17 mircea_popescu probably.
09:17 mircea_popescu hopefully nvidia does it.
09:17 ThickAsThieves they may be on a short leash for innovating after these portable gaming things fail
09:18 Namworld Nvidia... miner...
09:18 Duffer1 i could see nvidia sha vs amd scrypt
09:18 mircea_popescu manufacture a billion dollar's worth of 100 and 500 watt mining rigs, as stand alone boxes, doing whatever, 5 gh/watt, 2gh/dollar
09:18 Namworld Nvidia Bitcoin Miner...
09:18 mircea_popescu they have the foundries and the engineers to do it.
09:18 Namworld Well one of them is bound to do it eventually
09:18 ThickAsThieves Intel could do 14nm or such
09:19 mircea_popescu amd, nvidia, intel, they can all do it.
09:19 Namworld I mean, the piles of cash thrown at any random new bitcointalk.org user claiming to be developing an ASIC
09:19 mircea_popescu even apple or amazon could do it, if they weren't fucktarded.
09:19 ThickAsThieves or Samsung
09:19 punkman why not AMD?
09:19 mircea_popescu yeah, at least a dozen diff south korean/japanese/hk/etc producers could do it too
09:20 ThickAsThieves AMD is most likely imo
09:20 mircea_popescu punkman i said AMD!
09:20 punkman oh I saw nvidia only
09:20 mircea_popescu unrelatedly : if any one was wondering if a wedding was ever made with the bridemaids in the buff : yes, it has. http://31.media.tumblr.com/26a90c55ec607f6fad54984ba75bd875/tumblr_mimvopGYAZ1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
09:20 ThickAsThieves AMD didnt find a safe harbor in mobile
09:20 ThickAsThieves they need another avenue
09:20 asciilifeform if they weren't fucktarded, they'd do it 1) two years ago 2) embedded in run of unrelated IC, antifused out in consumer ver. 3) powered up silently 4) ip-proxied to look like 100,000 lamers with GPUs.
09:20 wao-ender mm
09:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no they wouldn't do that.
09:21 wao-ender mircea_popescu: seems you have very intelligent police there http://www.mojevideo.sk/video/f8b5/policia_vs_dvere.html
09:21 Namworld looks like a fun wedding
09:21 wao-ender Politia is romanian afaik?
09:21 mircea_popescu politia, yes.
09:21 mircea_popescu can you summarize the vid ?
09:22 wao-ender they can't open doors for 13 minutes.
09:22 mircea_popescu lol
09:22 wao-ender imho it should be great ad for vendor of secure doors.
09:22 mircea_popescu romanian folklore/jokes usually has the cop as the dummy.
09:23 wao-ender [AD] This door will resists Politia for 13 minutes!
09:23 asciilifeform speaking of which
09:23 asciilifeform http://nsa.gov1.info/
09:23 ozbot The Domestic Surveillance Directorate
09:24 ThickAsThieves http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/new-3d-printer-by-markforged-can-print-with-carbon-fiber-16428727
09:24 ozbot New 3D Printer by MarkForged Can Print With Carbon Fiber - Popular Mechanics
09:24 mircea_popescu o wow.
09:24 ThickAsThieves ideal for weapons, no?
09:25 Namworld Finally, a printer suitable for those weapons 3d printing blueprint
09:25 ThickAsThieves "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
09:25 asciilifeform let's have /him/ fire with a barrel 'as strong as aluminum', we'll watch.
09:26 punkman is Cody Wilson still doing the 3d-printed gun thing, or is it just Dark Wallets for him now
09:26 mircea_popescu probably just reefer for him now.
09:27 mircea_popescu aluminium is not really that strong, is it ?
09:27 mircea_popescu did he mean duraluminium ?
09:27 punkman there's strong aluminum
09:27 Namworld Imma print myselft a carbon dane axe and a viking helmet (an historically accurate one without horns)
09:27 Namworld Because fuck guns actually
09:27 ThickAsThieves throwing stars and darts for me plz
09:28 mircea_popescu i'll just order dildoes
09:28 mircea_popescu because fuck your wooden horses
09:28 asciilifeform working temperature of printer extruder. max temperature of chamber during firing.
09:30 ThickAsThieves carbon fiber nunchuks!
09:30 asciilifeform seriously, get a desktop CNC mill. it will make anything from a halberg to a schmeisser.
09:30 kakobrekla Namworld, huh? can you tell me which email did you send from. i remember us talking via irc and i dont ignore emails.
09:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but not by itself.
09:30 Namworld "It even has a higher strength-to-weight ratio than CNC-machined aluminum."
09:30 Namworld My god...
09:30 Namworld One could do many things with such a printer
09:31 Namworld I'm not sure kakobrekla
09:31 Namworld I'm heading off. Doesn't matter for now anyway.
09:31 Namworld Scrat hasn't been around in a while.
09:31 ThickAsThieves impenetrable fortune cookies!
09:31 Namworld Goodbye.
09:32 Namworld TaT... that's a dickish prank.
09:32 Namworld I like it.
09:33 ThickAsThieves road spikes
09:33 Duffer1 you could just use a drill in a wood frame for desktop needs
09:33 ThickAsThieves there's some fun
09:33 Duffer1 or a dremel
09:48 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> poor kako, prolly went to get his 13 hours of sleep this month
09:48 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> result ? Last block: 13 hours 42 minutes ago
09:48 kakobrekla cause im doing it on hand.
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]
09:53 mircea_popescu lol
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10:17 jurov ;;bc,tslb
10:17 gribble Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.
10:17 jurov ;;tslb
10:17 gribble Time since last block: 57 seconds
10:17 jurov ;;bc,stats
10:17 gribble Current Blocks: 283212 | Current Difficulty: 2.193847870174279E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 284255 | Next Difficulty In: 1043 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2440229238.49 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.23056
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 254 @ 0.00271007 = 0.6884 BTC [-] {4}
10:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 548 @ 0.00271002 = 1.4851 BTC [-] {4}
10:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 847 @ 0.002701 = 2.2877 BTC [-]
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00270101 = 0.1486 BTC [+] {2}
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007266 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {4}
10:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2210 @ 0.00044457 = 0.9825 BTC [-] {6}
10:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62479999 = 1.2496 BTC [+]
10:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.049 = 1.96 BTC [+]
10:41 nubbins` hi
10:41 kakobrekla hi
10:42 nubbins` i'm 32 today :0
10:42 kakobrekla congrats
10:42 kakobrekla many didnt make it this far.
10:42 nubbins` i was about to say "no need, all i did was not die"
10:42 asciilifeform happy bday nubbins`
10:43 nubbins` but you've got a point :(
10:43 kakobrekla hehe
10:43 nubbins` tyvm
10:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02947999 = 0.2948 BTC [+] {5}
10:49 mircea_popescu sooo... obama to congress "you're fired". congress gives standing ovation.
10:49 mircea_popescu that country is turning into the fucking bitcointalk of politics, i swear.
10:49 mircea_popescu mostly notable for the comedic relief.
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00089908 = 6.0238 BTC [+]
10:56 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/gxCPkxMN
10:56 ozbot NYDFS Department of Financial Services live meeting on the 28th (today?) and 29 - Pastebin.com
10:56 mircea_popescu if someone still wanted a transcript of the dfs retardation.
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02989915 = 0.1196 BTC [+] {2}
10:58 BingoBoingo Oh, so much missing from that paste.
11:00 mircea_popescu well yes, it's only a few pages.
11:07 BingoBoingo Doesn't even cover the interesting points. Doesn't even seem to make it past to the first pannel to get to the LTC and VanCleef woman going full Amir
11:07 mircea_popescu well... got a full transcript anywhere ?
11:09 BingoBoingo I've got a bunch of notes on notebook paper I'll prolly move online next week. Going to watch the hearings again to make sure nothing especially lulzy was missed.
11:10 mircea_popescu well you know, if you're gonna do a complete one do a complete one
11:10 BingoBoingo http://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/hearing/vc_01282014_indx.htm
11:11 mircea_popescu that's not a transcript tho, just the collection of written matter submitted.
11:11 BingoBoingo has most of the prepared statements now. Looks like to get a full one for the questions, or at lest the interesting questions I might have to make it
11:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Here's the lulziest of the prepared statements (was read verbatim) http://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/hearing/vchearing/van_cleef.pdf
11:12 BingoBoingo I'll paste it as plaintext
11:14 BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1577206/
11:14 ozbot dpaste: #1577206
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00090009 = 6.0306 BTC [+]
11:27 polac hello i ahve a question please
11:27 polac have*
11:27 mircea_popescu wait, VanCleef was the\re !?
11:27 mircea_popescu polac shoot
11:28 polac thanks
11:28 polac mircea popescu?
11:28 polac bot or human
11:29 polac this is the oficcial acnel for bitbet?
11:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Dunno if it IRC VanClef, but it was the girl's name
11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62479997 = 3.124 BTC [-] {2}
11:34 polac some one eee
11:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.62497777 = 5.6248 BTC [+] {3}
11:36 BingoBoingo polac this seems to be the best channel for bitbet
11:37 polac ok i have some questions but i dont see lot of activity here
11:37 BingoBoingo What I don't get about the tesitfying Van Cleef is instead of Bitcoin they wanted to discuss:
11:37 BingoBoingo "a company called COEPTIS is preparing to launch the Global Standard System (System) that will issue a medium of exchange called the Global Standard Currency (Currency). This Currency, which will circulate electronically on a closed settlement platform, will be 100% backed by physical gold, providing for freedom from default and fully protecting the holder’s value."
11:37 Troic_ polac, it will come (the activity) or you can just ask, perhaps someone else knows the answer.
11:37 BingoBoingo polac: IRC is a slow medium. Put forward the questions and someone should get to them within an hour or day or so
11:39 mircea_popescu polac yes it is.
11:40 mircea_popescu that's the first time someone wanted to know if im a bot ;/
11:40 chetty you aren't?
11:40 deadweasel it's pretty obvious he is.
11:41 assbot his AI is almost as good as mine
11:41 deadweasel well, he's your bot, assbot
11:41 jurov rofl
11:41 deadweasel AI making AI, what has the world come to?!
11:42 polac ok is related a bet on bitbet.us . if i make a BET that is obvius that will win.. .. how i know how much BTC i will get on reward how i make the calc
11:42 jurov polac have you noticed there is a calculator?
11:42 polac is this BET . that left 7 hours .. to end
11:42 polac http://bitbet.us/bet/590/bitcoin-market-capitalization-to-be-above-4-5-billion/
11:42 jurov right on the bet page
11:42 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin Market Capitalization to be above 4.5 billion USD on Feb 1st
11:43 polac yes i know that is a calculator. but i dont know if is the clean amount or total amount
11:43 polac here stas say if i put 1 btc i get ---Yes pays: 0.9904118 BTC ----- No pays: 1.04474976 BTC
11:44 polac so if i put 1 btc i get 0.99 + 1 btc investment i get total 1.99 ?
11:44 BingoBoingo polac: You'd get 0.99 total because of betting so late.
11:44 polac so how much i get? bcz calculators say i get 0.99
11:44 polac how much i can get that is what i wanna know
11:45 jurov 0.99btc
11:45 BingoBoingo polac: That's what you'd get. Betting 1.0 BTC would return to you a total of 0.99 BTC
11:45 polac so intstad of win i loss
11:45 polac 0.1 btc?
11:46 BingoBoingo polac: 0.01 BTC, but yes. Because it is a sure thing.
11:46 polac i undersatnd now so the calculator say the total profit i get included the . amount of the bet i pplace + profit?
11:47 deadweasel polac, minus your late betting
11:47 deadweasel meaning you're too late to make money on this bet if you bet yes and win.
11:47 deadweasel you should probabgly wait until the betting is closed, and place it then.
11:47 deadweasel it seems to work out well for people.
11:47 deadweasel they learn LOADS
11:47 jurov in other words, the weight of your bet is less than bitbet fee
11:48 polac another question iwhen i put the (Send winnings to originating address) i dont need to do nothing more. will be automatly send to the wallet from the money come from
11:48 polac ok so its only good when the weight its high?
11:49 jurov yes, that's the principle, bet early, get more
11:49 kakobrekla get a better rate
11:49 kakobrekla yeah
11:50 kakobrekla i dont understand the last question re sending winning to originating address
11:51 mircea_popescu <polac> so how much i get? bcz calculators say i get 0.99 << you get exacty what it says, 0.99
11:51 mircea_popescu deadweasel evil boy!
11:52 mircea_popescu polac IF you run a full node wallet, then yes you control the address, and so will be ok.
11:52 jurov polac: you need a wallet that contains actual private keys (such as bitcoin-qt/multibit/electrum)
11:52 mircea_popescu if however you do not run a full node, then you will be in trouble most likely.
11:52 mircea_popescu use a special address to receive.
11:52 kakobrekla well, blockchain.info wallet is client side rite, so that should work too
11:52 polac i use.. electrum client
11:52 polac its ok?
11:53 jurov yes, with electrum you'll be fine with sending to originating address
11:53 mircea_popescu just make sure you don't delete it/lose that wallet in the meanwhile.
11:53 kakobrekla the bad thing about using same address is that you lose stats
11:53 kakobrekla unless you send from same one each time
11:54 mircea_popescu well maybe to him it's a good thing
11:54 kakobrekla i gues
11:54 kakobrekla s
11:54 mircea_popescu http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/30/italy-shocked-mafia-fatal-hit-3-year-old-boy/
11:54 ozbot Italy shocked at Mafia's fatal hit of 3-year-old boy - Washington Times
11:55 mircea_popescu The boy, Nicola “Coco” Campolongo, age 3, was shot along with his grandfather, Giuseppe Iannicelli, and his grandfather’s companion, age 27, CNN reported.
11:57 mircea_popescu gotta love the fucktarded press. "unprecedented" ? these people have perhaps not seen... i dunno, the godfather ?
11:57 mircea_popescu fucking trilogy debuts by kids being killed.
11:59 deadweasel polac: be sure your bet will make it on-time. check for slow transactions, include a transaction fee.
11:59 deadweasel and don't bet more than you can stand to lose. it's gambling, not investing.
11:59 polac that is the trick on bitbet.i
11:59 kakobrekla also check in bitbet footer if the last block was 14 hrs ago
11:59 polac us
11:59 deadweasel also the same goes for investing
11:59 polac fee shouldbee deduce automatic
11:59 deadweasel you should be deduced automatically
12:00 polac its better .. trading i think
12:00 polac pay outs are very small
12:00 deadweasel not if you're early on the correct side of a bet.
12:01 polac somes of you have won a bet lately
12:01 kakobrekla its fairly easy to do 0 fee tx which will always get included in the first found block
12:03 deadweasel that might require reading a document!
12:03 kakobrekla or i can tell you how its done
12:06 deadweasel nah
12:07 mircea_popescu polac http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
12:07 mircea_popescu yes, some people won some bets recently.
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC
12:07 polac 16-12-13 19:19 Yes 63`178 1.00000000 13ZmZ 1.17699815
12:08 polac 1 b tc.. bet and get .0.17 in 2 months common
12:08 polac trading that btc just 1.. you can get it in 2 or 2.5 btc in 2 monhts
12:08 mircea_popescu there was a guy who got 0.4 BTC trading 200 ltc in twenty minutes yesterday
12:08 ThickAsThieves huh?
12:09 ThickAsThieves lol
12:09 ThickAsThieves polac, will you be naming ALL the ways one can increase their coins?
12:09 ThickAsThieves then we can exhaustively paint them against betting
12:10 ThickAsThieves or we could save the time and send you to just-dice
12:12 mircea_popescu but the question is valid, ik wonder what's the best return on a bet on bitbet so far
12:12 ThickAsThieves probly the guys who took my 50btc
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0485 = 0.388 BTC [-]
12:12 mircea_popescu kakobrekla mind running a coupla queries ?
12:13 ThickAsThieves in dollars, probly the 2bn bet, in bitcoins, probly a BFL bet?
12:13 mircea_popescu in bitcoin ofc.
12:13 kakobrekla well, i gotta take my gf out for a walk nao but when i get back sure
12:13 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440174.msg4842137#msg4842137 << mwahaha
12:14 ozbot The Emerging Bitcoin Civil War
12:14 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol that sounded pretty hot. take pics.
12:14 kakobrekla lol.
12:17 benkay so guys when my shitty corner of the world falls apart how do i stay hooked into the btc transaction network?
12:17 benkay how, long term, do i keep computers that can broadcast transactions running?
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
12:19 mircea_popescu can't you just move like everyone else ?
12:20 benkay there's a bet in there!
12:20 benkay on one side, that internet and computers never return to this area
12:20 benkay on the other that they do
12:20 ThickAsThieves just use a secret/encrypted channe;
12:20 ThickAsThieves l
12:20 benkay USA: the next africa?
12:20 ThickAsThieves not in our lifetime
12:20 mircea_popescu it's probably going to be illegal to use encryption in the us soon enough
12:21 mircea_popescu (real encryption. you'll have to use apple/google/ms/w/e)
12:21 ThickAsThieves maybe you are right
12:21 ThickAsThieves if the NSA motto is "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"...
12:21 mircea_popescu it's already illegal to use encryption in the uk.
12:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
12:21 mircea_popescu meanwhile my motto is "fuck with me and maybe you'll live to regret it"
12:21 mircea_popescu i wonder which is more appealing to the average person.
12:22 benkay probably the former.
12:22 ThickAsThieves No Trans Fat is more appealling to the avg person
12:22 mircea_popescu i guess we have a political debate to settle huh.
12:22 benkay political debate?
12:23 ThickAsThieves debate!
12:23 benkay more about nature of derpy average humans - most don't care about the tyrant under whom they sweat.
12:23 ThickAsThieves how can we decentralize this problem?
12:23 ThickAsThieves decentralization is always the answer
12:24 mircea_popescu benkay in which case they don't get a vote at all.
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]
12:24 benkay mircea_popescu: you're all over today man. first it was what's more appealing to the bell curve and now it's about who gets to vote on a thing.
12:25 benkay i thought there was no voting in the future, just the decisions of btcholders.
12:25 twizt lol
12:26 ThickAsThieves he means voting via decisions
12:26 jurov ;;seen pigeons
12:26 gribble pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <pigeons> should make an exact mpex clone with no new functionality just charge 5% to view it in a bootstrap template
12:27 mircea_popescu lol
12:27 mircea_popescu LANGUAGE BETRAYS ME!
12:27 mircea_popescu let's learn esperanto.
12:30 KRS1 lol esperanto
12:30 ThickAsThieves Mi fartas bone.
12:30 KRS1 Lord High Potentate would be proud.
12:31 pankkake "it's probably going to be illegal to use encryption" history repeating itself!
12:32 pankkake I remember the stupid laws we had in France, where anything >128 bit was forbidden
12:32 benkay how is the cardano protected from RNG diddling?
12:33 pankkake of course, only big businesses were affected, the software was there for regular people
12:33 asciilifeform benkay: if you can be more specific, you'll get a more interesting answer.
12:34 benkay othis mid-delivery interception of computer bits and pieces to put hardware on 'em before they hit the data center
12:34 benkay argh
12:34 benkay i'm thinking about this mid-delivery interception of computer bits and pieces to put hardware on 'em before they hit the data center in a fashion that the end-customer is generally never wiser
12:34 pankkake hmm… how about a seal?
12:35 asciilifeform pankkake: seals inspire unjustified confidence
12:35 asciilifeform the art of forging seals is centuries old.
12:35 benkay what kind of seal actually works? i'm aware of any.
12:35 benkay unaware*
12:35 pankkake I don't have any knowledge of a foolproof seal
12:35 benkay so what's the point?
12:35 deadweasel feelings
12:35 pankkake well there mihgt be
12:35 deadweasel want to feel secure
12:35 pankkake no
12:36 pankkake perhaps ship the device in two parts?
12:37 benkay man i don't wanna 'feel' secure!
12:38 benkay i want to know how NSA plans to address the in-shipment diddling of computer bits by fiat organizations.
12:38 asciilifeform pankkake: there are two identical rngs (removable.) each is an analogue device, with convenient probe points and a very simple circuit (29 parts, 26 of them passives)
12:39 pankkake I was thinking of some sort of cryptographic seal; you'd have to activate the device in some way
12:39 pankkake of course, I have no idea if it can work
12:40 asciilifeform FW is signed, and users will be encouraged to suck it in and verify the sig
12:40 asciilifeform each unit will also come with a set of high-res photographs of its internals, signed with my personal key.
12:41 pankkake well, that was the best I could come up with when thinking about "signing" the hardware
12:41 asciilifeform the only real defence against an elaborate fake is to actually understand the function of the device
12:41 asciilifeform the way a Pashtun understands his Kalash.
12:41 pankkake it won't prevent tampering by highly qualified bad guys
12:42 asciilifeform a sufficiently qualified enemy deserves your arse.
12:42 ThickAsThieves put anthrax inside, problem solved
12:43 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> a sufficiently qualified enemy deserves your arse. <<
12:43 mircea_popescu only if "qualified" = his q - his q.
12:43 mircea_popescu i mean his q - your q.
12:43 pankkake the future is drone delivery with complete video feed of the fly path, with blockchain time proofs!
12:45 pankkake hm, I'm not sure the second part solves anything
12:45 pankkake video feed would be sent to the expeditor, obviously
12:46 asciilifeform there is no 100% defence, even in principle, against a world-class forger
12:46 asciilifeform one can take photos, sufficiently detailed to include imperfections of the pcb, solder joints, etc. and sign them
12:46 asciilifeform but this requires the user to actually give a damn
12:46 asciilifeform and sit with a jeweler's loupe, etc.
12:48 pankkake is there any way to take pictures in a reproducible way?
12:49 asciilifeform pankkake: it depends what you mean by 'reproducible'
12:49 pankkake the images would then be comparable by a machine
12:49 asciilifeform if you are considering a machine for the comparison, you are in a state of sin.
12:50 benkay there is also the glitter fingernail polish approach
12:50 ThickAsThieves it could be done sorta
12:50 asciilifeform the idiots are 'wired' almost certainly stole that one from this channel.
12:50 ThickAsThieves get a lightbox, calibrate the camera mount placement
12:50 pankkake that was my idea, yes
12:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.24310363 = 21.8793 BTC
12:53 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/hDR8YZhv << i loled.
12:53 ozbot octopus Mike Hearn defaced bitcoinBull Inaba QuantPlus Raoul Duke cryptoa - Pastebin.com
12:54 pankkake interestingly I had Mike Hearn without knowing anything about his function
12:54 pankkake function as in "official title"
12:54 ThickAsThieves someone's ignore list?
12:54 pankkake mine
12:54 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves pankkake's idea of a blog.
12:54 pankkake haha
12:54 ThickAsThieves hehe
12:55 pankkake short term project is to stop forums and blog more
12:55 mircea_popescu it DOES have css, so.
12:55 pankkake I basically replaced a forum I got banned from by another
12:56 ThickAsThieves kako should just add a blog section to the #b-a website
12:56 ThickAsThieves then let channers post
12:56 mircea_popescu so i just crafted a double bacon burger. sadly, it can't be eaten.
12:56 pankkake you can create a "planet"
12:56 mircea_popescu dude this isn't such a horrid idea.
12:56 pankkake as in http://planet.debian.org/
12:56 mircea_popescu post via assbot, only let ppl in its wot post.
12:57 ThickAsThieves itd work way better than all of us trying to start our own thing
12:57 mircea_popescu collective blog.
12:57 benkay sounds socialist
12:57 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it'd work cheaper, not sure better.
12:58 pankkake benkay: yeah. that's why planet's better; everyone blogs how he sees fits, the planet aggregates
12:58 ThickAsThieves the marketer in me thinks itd be better all around
12:58 ThickAsThieves save trilema
12:58 asciilifeform next thing we know, we're all moving into a cult commune with a hundred years of canned food and auto-turrets...
12:58 ThickAsThieves which does pretty good
12:58 benkay auto turrets for all!
12:58 pankkake so readers go to one place if they wish, but bloggers are where they want
12:58 ThickAsThieves so a feed reader, curated
12:59 ThickAsThieves rather, filtered
12:59 pankkake yes
12:59 ThickAsThieves or both
12:59 ThickAsThieves but curated sounds so centralixed
12:59 benkay i don't want readers who can't subscribe to an rss feed on their own
12:59 benkay shit, i don't want readers who don't curate their own reading lists!
12:59 ThickAsThieves yknow chrome doesnt make it easy
12:59 pankkake I know a blog that has *only* a RSS feed
12:59 ThickAsThieves i know blogs that dnt have em at all
13:00 benkay cryptome doesn't have an rss feed for that matter
13:01 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> next thing we know, we're all moving into a cult commune with a hundred years of canned food and auto-turrets... >>> and nudity for womenz under 35 ?
13:01 asciilifeform ya
13:01 pankkake maddox.xmission.com used to not have one, too
13:01 ThickAsThieves you could also implement the trilema blog fees
13:01 ThickAsThieves to support assbot's family
13:01 ThickAsThieves and the writers
13:01 mircea_popescu anyway, buncha people have blogs, which imo is the best thing.
13:02 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: would be interesting to see a widget like 'metafilter' with a 1btc entry.
13:02 mircea_popescu but for the lazy bums a global stopgap can't hurt
13:02 pankkake "Assets Assimilated"
13:02 mircea_popescu this way we get best of both worlds, all sorts of social phenomena on shared blogs
13:02 ThickAsThieves in this sense i am indeed a lazy bum
13:02 ThickAsThieves occassionally an urge to tell a tale
13:02 ThickAsThieves but to make a blog?
13:02 ThickAsThieves to get readers?
13:02 ThickAsThieves meh
13:02 mircea_popescu in other words : public fucking and private fucking aren't even the same fucking. they don't replace each other.
13:03 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves forget the readers, who cares.
13:03 pankkake creating a blog is easy. wordpress.com, done
13:03 ThickAsThieves i happen to believe that art is for the viewer, not the creator
13:03 mircea_popescu this novel nuttery with the readers. who cared, cca 1970, when telling a joke, how many people in the office were gathered round ?
13:03 mircea_popescu it's like "o dan's joke was so much better, even sammy from the mailroom was here"
13:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.620012 = 3.1001 BTC [-] {3}
13:04 ThickAsThieves its sharing of experience, it has value beyond its own existence
13:05 ThickAsThieves thus the more it is consumed, the more impact it has
13:05 benkay moreover, its mostly the firm's partners that the joke is intended for, not the typists and accountants.
13:05 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe your readers all live in 2200. how do yu know ?
13:05 mircea_popescu art can be for the viewer, but that doesn't necessarilyu mean google analytics is meaningful.
13:06 ThickAsThieves i thought you were more existential?
13:06 ThickAsThieves like you care about 2200
13:07 mircea_popescu i don't. i also don't care about readers as such.
13:07 ThickAsThieves i also believe in creating an environment of facilitation
13:07 mircea_popescu we're discussing your view here
13:07 ThickAsThieves if you want a flower to grow, maybe plant a seed
13:07 ThickAsThieves hell, maybe you even water it!
13:08 mircea_popescu dude, if you got a seed plant it already, forget the flower. what, keep it in your pocket till it becomes lint ?
13:08 ThickAsThieves well i did say it was a lazy idea
13:08 benkay what's the best time to plant a tree?
13:08 benkay twenty years ago.
13:08 benkay what's the second best time to plant a tree?
13:09 benkay today.
13:09 mircea_popescu the big loser in all of this is, of course,
13:09 ThickAsThieves not 19 years ago?
13:09 mircea_popescu kako.
13:09 mircea_popescu it's like...
13:09 mircea_popescu "hey, implement this thing ? " "may i spend some time with my girl ? " "ok"
13:09 ThickAsThieves lol
13:09 mircea_popescu comes back... hey, we got 43987593485 more things to implement.
13:09 mircea_popescu DARE YOU take off ever again ?
13:09 ThickAsThieves then he gets mad at the girl "see what happens!"
13:10 mircea_popescu poor chick ends up with irish sunglasses...
13:10 mircea_popescu "all i did is walk!"
13:10 ThickAsThieves walk yourself next time!
13:10 mircea_popescu here's the leash, you got hands, go walk!
13:11 ThickAsThieves <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: would be interesting to see a widget like 'metafilter' with a 1btc entry. <<<< i recall at least a couple "idea men" saying theyd make similar things
13:11 ThickAsThieves also, i think mjr has a micro blog payment thingy
13:11 ThickAsThieves blottery?
13:11 ThickAsThieves incentivized reading or such
13:12 ThickAsThieves in the past i suggested similar,
13:12 pankkake I used to have a bot posting RSS feed updates to channels, but it was some Ruby crap and blew up
13:12 ThickAsThieves run a service that holds like .1 btc for you in an account, it runs a chrome plugin,
13:12 pankkake but that kind of stuff is quite useful
13:13 ThickAsThieves it autopays in blog fees while urfing
13:13 ThickAsThieves and gives you a popup if over a certain price
13:13 ThickAsThieves to approve
13:13 ThickAsThieves frictionless micropayments
13:13 pankkake that's how the web should have been
13:13 pankkake instead of advertising everywhere
13:13 mircea_popescu ^
13:14 ThickAsThieves well it will
13:14 mircea_popescu as i said! fucktards were allowed on the web before payments were put in, fucked everyhing up
13:14 ThickAsThieves the advertising thing is almost fully milked
13:15 pankkake isn't advertising one of the first things to be cut, when companies have financial troubles?
13:15 ThickAsThieves small biz
13:15 ThickAsThieves not big biz
13:15 pankkake oh, I thought it was
13:15 ThickAsThieves its backwards, yeah
13:15 ThickAsThieves small biz cuts the thing they need most
13:16 ThickAsThieves its very difficult for small biz to interpret value from marketing
13:16 mircea_popescu or to avoid being scammed by marketeers.
13:17 ThickAsThieves was my next point
13:17 mircea_popescu last thing a small biz needs is to try and fucking compete with the government-backed wasters.
13:17 ThickAsThieves they are bombarded with "opportunities"
13:17 ThickAsThieves a small biz gets burned repeatedly
13:17 mircea_popescu whenever i hear of a start-up working on a superbowl ad...
13:17 ThickAsThieves and then when they finally bump into someone that can actually help them, they have lost all faith
13:18 mircea_popescu speaking of which, after talking about advertising yest i got some pretty interesting info... seems superbowl is also pretty much dead.
13:18 mircea_popescu they can barely sell tickets anymore.
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.615 = 2.46 BTC [-]
13:19 ThickAsThieves bitbet shall transcend sports after all then
13:19 ThickAsThieves bets on superbowl advertisoing revenue are way more fun anyway
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.04899999 = 2.94 BTC [+] {2}
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00350877 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {2}
13:21 mircea_popescu lol
13:21 mircea_popescu "My name is Manthan, but you can call me nahtnam."
13:21 mircea_popescu people today!
13:22 mircea_popescu and unrelatedly... "50 percent of physicians reporting that they’ve consulted wikipedia for information on health conditions."
13:22 mircea_popescu nofucking woder health insurance is so expensive.
13:23 ThickAsThieves the other 50% use webmd
13:24 mircea_popescu lol
13:24 twizt time to pretend to be a doctor
13:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC
13:26 mircea_popescu i imagine for every person getting scammed by some bitcoin ceo
13:26 mircea_popescu there's 100 or 1k patients beinbg scammed by some webdoctor
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-] {2}
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
13:30 benkay far better to have a friend who's been through the american nursing training
13:30 benkay than visit a hospital and have to trust some 'doctor'
13:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]
13:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04500022 = 0.225 BTC [-]
13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
13:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1495 BTC [-]
13:43 pankkake http://assass.headfucking.net/
13:43 ozbot Assets Assimilated
13:46 ThickAsThieves nice
13:46 ThickAsThieves the url is a bit... abrasive
13:46 pankkake ~10 minute setup :)
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58301004 BTC [-]
13:47 pankkake I'd take any virtual host given, say planet.bitcoin-assets.com
13:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1794 BTC [-]
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02989907 = 0.1794 BTC [-]
13:55 mircea_popescu assass lol
13:55 pankkake ;;ud buttbuttinate
13:55 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttbuttinate | buttbuttinate. The word "assassinate" after it has been mangled by a particularly stupid censor. It is a shame we still aren't sure who buttbuttinated JFK. He was in  ...
13:55 ozbot Urban Dictionary: buttbuttinate
13:59 ThickAsThieves is there a transcript of all the NY hearings?
14:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20233 @ 0.00089612 = 18.1312 BTC [-] {2}
14:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 417 @ 0.00089601 = 0.3736 BTC [-]
14:03 ThickAsThieves https://citp.princeton.edu/event/andresen/
14:03 ozbot Gavin Andresen ’88 is Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation and lead developer of the Bitcoin
14:05 ThickAsThieves this from a bitcoin magazine ad: http://bankinnovation.info/
14:05 ThickAsThieves invitation only
14:05 ThickAsThieves but advertises on bitcoin mag?
14:05 ThickAsThieves Bank Innovation 2014 will be a forum for executives and innovators to collaborate and share ideas to improve customer acquisition and retention through new products and strategies.
14:06 ThickAsThieves ha there is a different Neo presenting
14:07 ThickAsThieves Navin is founder and CEO of Neo, a startup that aims to disrupt credit risk assessment of thin-credit and sub-prime consumers by leveraging alternative credit data.
14:08 pankkake Neo & Buzzwords
14:08 mircea_popescu apparently all noobs have to go through the same wringer
14:08 mircea_popescu be they princes or paupers.
14:08 mircea_popescu whatever, bitcoin is here to cater.
14:14 ThickAsThieves http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304691904579348791505926788
14:14 ozbot Perkinsnacht - WSJ.com
14:14 ThickAsThieves i learned a new word, commentariat, thanks wsj!
14:15 deadweasel chief scientist?!?!
14:16 KRS1 sup, chief
14:17 ThickAsThieves chief scientist get many wampum
14:18 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> but the question is valid, ik wonder what's the best return on a bet on bitbet so far
14:18 kakobrekla 5758.8%
14:18 mike_c anticipation..
14:19 kakobrekla hm?
14:19 mike_c link??
14:19 mike_c who won the lotto?
14:19 kakobrekla well i guess anyone can compile this list since all the stuff is public
14:19 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/winnersgains.txt
14:20 mike_c hm, but hard to tell which bet the wagers were on, right?
14:20 mike_c ^ derp
14:20 kakobrekla Bet #1834 on #277: 0.01000000 B in, 0.58588048 B out, 0.57588048 B gain (5758.8%)
14:21 mike_c yeah, i glanced over the "on #277" somehow
14:21 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/277/
14:21 ozbot BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
14:21 kakobrekla and more
14:21 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#1834
14:21 ozbot BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
14:21 kakobrekla hm
14:21 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#b1834
14:21 ozbot BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
14:21 mike_c 277 was a special bet though
14:21 kakobrekla still no
14:21 kakobrekla a wait you cant do that
14:22 ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/277/#b2
14:22 ozbot BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
14:22 kakobrekla ok well we can exclude that one if ya want
14:22 kakobrekla if you throw it oout
14:22 kakobrekla you get
14:22 kakobrekla Bet #161 on #42: 0.03000000 B in, 0.69300000 B out, 0.66300000 B gain (2210%)
14:23 mike_c that was a house bet. i'm curious what the best gain on a user bet was. i'll look through.
14:23 kakobrekla grrr
14:23 kakobrekla cant satisfy assets
14:23 mike_c a demanding bunch.
14:24 ThickAsThieves that's best in %, what's best in coin qty?
14:24 kakobrekla but house bet 'out' can go to user mike_c
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.02957418 = 0.9759 BTC [-] {4}
14:24 mike_c true
14:25 kakobrekla ThickAsThieves hm you mean most coin won or biggest gain?
14:25 kakobrekla hm
14:25 kakobrekla well gains you got ther
14:25 kakobrekla you want biggest bet or what
14:26 ThickAsThieves most coin won
14:26 ThickAsThieves by one bet
14:26 kakobrekla so biggest gain in btc amount, not by percentage
14:27 kakobrekla or biggest 'out' ?
14:27 ThickAsThieves biggest gain
14:27 ThickAsThieves i can probly just put this in a spreadsheet and sort
14:29 kakobrekla 1 sec
14:29 mike_c this might be it. over 1000% return, not bad.
14:29 mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/8/#b4
14:29 ozbot BitBet - Higgs boson support
14:30 ThickAsThieves Bet #496 on #7: 100.00000000 B in198.99762832 B out98.99762832 B gain (99%)
14:31 mike_c yeah, but you have to multiply the BTC x the exchange rate at the time :)
14:31 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/winnersgainsbtc.txt
14:31 kakobrekla i think.
14:31 ThickAsThieves idc about exchange rate
14:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [-]
14:32 ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/7/#b36
14:32 ozbot BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st
14:32 ThickAsThieves that guy
14:33 ThickAsThieves 321.65447788btc gain
14:33 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/stats/1AnUirXjTtaV5gsS5B51zTFjj4aa8rhaST/
14:33 kakobrekla now you can follow him
14:37 ThickAsThieves looks all funded from MPEx
14:38 kakobrekla dunno talk to mpex re that :)
14:40 ThickAsThieves scams!
14:40 ThickAsThieves https://blockchain.info/address/1LSLFzSMD1ZDSiNV1bvJm9QNj1EhnC49eg
14:40 ozbot Bitcoin Address 1LSLFzSMD1ZDSiNV1bvJm9QNj1EhnC49eg
14:42 kakobrekla whats that?
14:43 ThickAsThieves the IN tx
14:44 kakobrekla anyway, if someone wanted to hide something, it isnt particularly hard
14:44 ThickAsThieves from mpexy wallet to bitbet
14:44 kakobrekla so someone made a bet with making a withdrawal on mpex
14:44 ThickAsThieves probly
14:45 kakobrekla >I fully believe we need to hire a PR manager, as my time can be much more effectively used actually working on things as opposed to maintaining this thread.
14:45 kakobrekla doing what zactly, jerking off to free porn?
14:46 ThickAsThieves who said that?
14:46 kakobrekla that hard?
14:46 ThickAsThieves Ukyo?
14:46 kakobrekla the name starts with garr and ends with retard
14:47 ThickAsThieves oh, he still talks?
14:47 kakobrekla yea.
14:47 pankkake I know but I read it before. anyway, those PR guys are useless if they're just remote random forum users with no info
14:47 ThickAsThieves useless in the honest sense, at least
14:47 pankkake what he really needs is a guy to take over the business
14:47 kakobrekla he needs to be raped by niggers.txt, not a pr person.
14:47 pankkake in the honest sense?
14:48 ThickAsThieves well hiring a PR is a great move for a scammer
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02941176 = 0.3529 BTC [-]
14:48 kakobrekla pankkake there is no business there
14:48 ThickAsThieves especially if you hire a populare forumite
14:48 kakobrekla nothing to 'take over'
14:48 kakobrekla except pile of shit and scam
14:48 kakobrekla whod want taht
14:48 pankkake the mining hardware, the coins
14:48 ThickAsThieves ans especiallu if hiring means getting paid in shares
14:48 kakobrekla he lost a bunch of coin
14:48 kakobrekla doing stupid shit
14:48 kakobrekla he baiscally defaulted
14:49 pankkake well, yeah
14:49 kakobrekla and will pay out of his own pocket, he says
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02820002 = 0.3102 BTC [-] {2}
14:49 kakobrekla but the diff will go to 50410 billion trillion zillion
14:49 kakobrekla and he wont pay shit.
14:50 ThickAsThieves i guess these scams will exist til the diff calms down
14:50 ThickAsThieves its just too easy
14:50 kakobrekla >alincoln, I do realize that that would be the best case scenario for you. However, please acknowledge that I am taking a heavy loss on this one, so please accept a full refund of your initial investment Plus all dividends up to the last one that was paid. With that case, you've still made more money than just holding coins, which is pretty damn good.
14:50 ThickAsThieves even now, people paying .65 for AM shares?!
14:50 kakobrekla sounds zactly like inaba
14:50 kakobrekla whos dick he was sucking not a few months ago.
14:50 kakobrekla maybe sperms got in his brain
14:51 kakobrekla and now this.
14:58 mircea_popescu ;;later tell polac here's a list : http://bitbet.us/bet/42/#b2 (2.2k%), http://bitbet.us/bet/380/#b5 1.5k%, http://bitbet.us/bet/8/#b3 1k% etc
14:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:59 mircea_popescu <pankkake> what he really needs is a guy to take over the business << pankkake has a point there.
15:00 mircea_popescu buncha derps with no business want to hire pr ? pr to do what. what they need is someone to take over their LIFE
15:00 mircea_popescu like, a parent.
15:00 pankkake well, given his age…
15:00 mircea_popescu ikr?
15:00 mircea_popescu "the internet is not your daycare, ma'am"
15:01 mircea_popescu instead of "protecting children"
15:01 mircea_popescu fuck children. protect the adults.
15:01 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> what he really needs is a guy to take over the business << pankkake has a point there. << no biz, no point.
15:01 pankkake why do you guys hate him so much though?
15:01 deadweasel maybe you should start S.BDEV, offering consultants for a % of business improvement profits.
15:01 mircea_popescu i dun hate him.
15:01 ThickAsThieves i dont cqare enough to hate
15:01 mircea_popescu deadweasel cheaper to just remake their "busness" properly.
15:01 ThickAsThieves but i even tried leveling with him privately
15:01 deadweasel oh ya
15:02 mircea_popescu nobody goes around fixing bad hamburgers som,eone overcooked
15:02 ThickAsThieves and all he did was beg to have his trust fixed
15:02 kakobrekla its just the most straight forward scamfest to troll
15:02 ThickAsThieves and when i said no, he negrated me
15:02 ThickAsThieves just a scammer
15:02 mircea_popescu http://devotionalsex.com/tumblr_lvhosf4H281qzn5vfo1_500.jpg
15:03 kakobrekla i thought that middle girl has amish beard for a sec
15:03 ThickAsThieves hehe me too
15:03 mircea_popescu lmao
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62280186 BTC [+]
15:07 pankkake http://devotionalsex.com/ totally not a cult
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15:07 ozbot Devotional Sex
15:08 mircea_popescu it's a splendid idea, what. chicks getting dorks to lap them up and drool a lot.
15:11 punkman "Lite Devotional Sex is for men who like most things about Devotional Sex, but are unwilling to meet the tough ejaculation restrictions of full Devotional Sex. "
15:11 kakobrekla http://bou.si/4c/1391107866837.jpg
15:12 mircea_popescu lol
15:14 mircea_popescu you know, for the record : as weird as it may seem, this has been mainstream sexuality since about queen victoria up until 1970-1980.
15:14 lippoper what is up with the cars in subway?
15:15 mircea_popescu only the introduction of effective cheap contraception and the rise of porn broke it up and sent the woman back on her knees
15:15 lippoper kakobrekla
15:15 kakobrekla lippoper i wont spoil the fun.
15:16 ThickAsThieves it's reverting
15:16 ThickAsThieves men want their mommies back
15:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0056 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {2}
15:17 lippoper http://imgur.com/1MIysmP
15:17 ozbot Vault of Satoshi, 24 h Trading volume - Imgur
15:17 mircea_popescu certainly has a solid bedrock of interest.
15:17 mircea_popescu and tbh... nttawwi.
15:18 ThickAsThieves ;;ud nttawwi
15:18 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/add.php | Write for a large audience. Lots of people will read this, so give some background information. Don't name your friends. We'll reject inside jokes and definitions ...
15:18 mircea_popescu not that there's anything wrong with it
15:19 ThickAsThieves word
15:19 benkay here's to setting women back on their knees
15:19 benkay mine's crocheting a 'kneeling rug'
15:19 mircea_popescu benkay careful you don't bit more than you can chew :D womenz can be a handful.
15:19 benkay dem hardwood floors
15:19 benkay yeah man i know!
15:19 kakobrekla womenz can be a handful. < is that a handjob reference?
15:20 mircea_popescu lol
15:20 KRS1 Bait:
15:20 KRS1 http://i.imgur.com/klA7PdP.jpg
15:20 benkay but the most handfully they've ever gotten with me was when i wasn't regularly putting them on their knees.
15:20 mircea_popescu kakobrekla how was the walk anyway
15:20 kakobrekla very snowy
15:20 kakobrekla got bout 40cm here
15:20 mircea_popescu it's pleasant here, like maybe 5.
15:20 kakobrekla its nice, clean and quiet
15:20 kakobrekla but
15:20 kakobrekla reminds of apple too much.
15:21 mircea_popescu lol KRS1 you get points for clever shilling at least.
15:30 KRS1 .bait
15:30 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/6d4afc1cbeee08253375423ffe6cffe4/tumblr_mf3pjbe74Z1qaurevo1_1280.jpg
15:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.58279556 = 5.2452 BTC [-] {5}
15:31 lippoper http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb11jieuGj1qgn6feo1_500.jpg
15:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.580258 = 1.7408 BTC [-] {3}
15:31 lippoper http://www.dcmagnates.com/dogecoin-and-quarkcoin-hot-other-altcoins-not-on-first-day-vault-of-satoshi-trading/
15:31 ozbot Dogecoin and Quarkcoin Hot, Other Altcoins Not, on First Day Vault of Satoshi Trading – Digital Cu
15:32 lippoper 24hours in Vault of Satoshi | Some noteworthy statistics:
15:32 lippoper 88% of trading was performed in USD, Bitcoin was the most traded crypto, combining for $19.4k, or 48% of the total dollar volume. In a not-too-distant 2nd was Dogecoin, combining for $14.1k, or 35% of the total volume. No other cryptos came remotely close. Litecoin was a distant 4th, posting just $2100 in total dollar volume.
15:33 mircea_popescu why is this noteworthy ?
15:34 lippoper That's what the article said
15:34 lippoper Are you telling me the news is lieing to me?
15:34 lippoper lulz
15:35 pankkake how do you get fiat in and out of VoS?
15:35 mircea_popescu im telling you there's no way to distinguish random scammy "exchange" #854687 from all the others and nobody really cares what alt coin traded five grand more than which other altcoin
15:36 lippoper cool
15:36 lippoper pankkake, they have a verification system
15:36 lippoper takes 3 days for bank transfers to clear
15:37 pankkake so it's bank transfers. good
15:37 mircea_popescu you in any way involved?
15:37 mircea_popescu anyone here know the DrahogErusiel forum character incidentally ?
15:37 lippoper no just heard about it yesterday
15:37 lippoper that VOS is based in Canada, where they are treating virtual currencies as a commodity
15:37 lippoper so it should be legal and taxable over there
15:38 mircea_popescu commodities are taxed in canada ?
15:38 lippoper aren't all commodities taxed?
15:38 mircea_popescu i think you may be confused.
15:39 mircea_popescu dja mean like a sales tax ?
15:39 KRS1 fawk lippoper nice bait..much love
15:39 lippoper yeah
15:39 mircea_popescu perhaps. all previous canadian exchanges ended up turning kinda shady so it never really got tested.
15:39 lippoper KRS1 wasn't as good as your last one... ;-)
15:40 KRS1 i'll trade ya
15:40 mircea_popescu nubbins` you there ? or anyone wanna escrow some painting comission for me ?
15:40 lippoper mp, i'm not sure how it all works to be honest, but from what I understand Canada gives businesses more confidence to deal in virtual currencies because at least they've defined it as a commodity.
15:40 KRS1 mircea_popescu: I have not yet been rated
15:41 mircea_popescu sux.
15:43 deadweasel nubbins`: you declaring your btc?
15:44 lippoper KRS
15:44 lippoper best bait yet http://25.media.tumblr.com/1926b2a2629f17a11ca05eb744365556/tumblr_mifmddq6CL1rkhr4mo1_500.jpg
15:45 twizt nicee
15:45 twizt only the one in the middle and left
15:47 pankkake I'd take middle and right
15:47 KRS1 Mmm nice
15:47 deadweasel i'm using my imagination (at work), i'll take the top 6
15:47 KRS1 left boobs too big
15:48 pankkake no such thing
15:48 KRS1 deadweasel: theres left mid and right
15:48 KRS1 i like mid and right
15:49 deadweasel it's like i'm 13 again!
15:49 lippoper i'll take one for the team and grab the big boobed girl on the left
15:49 lippoper lol
15:49 deadweasel kind man, lippoper
15:49 lippoper such wingman
15:50 mircea_popescu the fountain of ircyouth
15:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899999 = 0.196 BTC [+]
15:50 lippoper very motorboat
15:50 lippoper wow
15:52 KRS1 lol
15:52 KRS1 wonder what sex games can be driven by btc
15:53 Dimsler_ i tried to buy pimpcoin
15:53 Dimsler_ from the creater
15:53 Dimsler_ refused to sell it to me
15:53 twizt lol
15:54 mircea_popescu why ?
15:54 KRS1 need something with the allure of sex, addiction of dice and the ease of payment of BTC.
15:54 twizt win a escort KRS1
15:54 Dimsler_ to have all the whores and johns using it?
15:55 twizt box bet for escorts
15:55 KRS1 Heroin delivery by late night Bait?
15:55 twizt fill the box
15:55 twizt winner gets 3 hrs
15:55 twizt with XYZ pornstar
15:55 twizt = business
15:55 twizt LOL
15:55 Dimsler_ sex industry is going to be the next step for btc
15:55 KRS1 not bad i have some contacts for that hmm
15:55 KRS1 just local tho
15:55 twizt use a site like eros
15:55 mircea_popescu sex industry is kinda thick, kinda dead and doesn't really need a special coin
15:55 mircea_popescu nor could they use it.
15:55 Dimsler_ pimpcoin is genious
15:55 KRS1 i know the guy who bought bitcoin.xxx
15:55 Dimsler_ if you went on the backpage
15:55 twizt international yo
15:56 Dimsler_ and started advertising it to girls
15:56 Dimsler_ you'd probably get some users
15:56 Dimsler_ imagine if your a whore
15:56 Dimsler_ and offer to take btc?
15:56 Dimsler_ imagine the traffic you'd get
15:56 twizt lol
15:56 Dimsler_ from the advertising alone
15:56 twizt pay ur hoes with pimp coin
15:56 Dimsler_ it'll be like overstock.com
15:56 KRS1 mircea_popescu: the porn industry does NOT have a way to take micropayments
15:56 Dimsler_ except no shitty lawnchairs
15:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler_ you obviously missed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435750.msg4796386#msg4796386
15:56 assbot 123!
15:56 mircea_popescu KRS1 or any product those micropayments'd be for.
15:57 KRS1 damn
15:57 KRS1 i guess
15:57 Dimsler_ mircea_popescu, in most countries whores have pimps
15:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00283294 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}
15:57 Dimsler_ and a smart pimp should be on the btc bandwagon
15:57 Dimsler_ for monetary control of his steed of whores
15:57 mircea_popescu pimps will take anything you pay them.
15:57 Dimsler_ think about it, they can't skim from the pimp
15:57 Dimsler_ the pimp controls the transaction
15:58 mircea_popescu you ever been one ?
15:58 Dimsler_ he can chronologically time stamp the whores whereabouts
15:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 685 @ 0.00283576 = 1.9425 BTC [+] {3}
15:58 Dimsler_ no
15:58 mircea_popescu well, do you hang out / go drinking with any ?
15:58 twizt KRS1 are u a dev?
15:58 Dimsler_ guys that run girls?
15:58 Dimsler_ i try not to associate with the dreges of society
15:58 Dimsler_ if thats what you're implying
15:59 mircea_popescu then why do you try to solve their problems ?
15:59 Dimsler_ for my own personal gain obviously
15:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0028399 = 0.1051 BTC [+]
15:59 Dimsler_ to collect me 3% on pimpcoin
15:59 Dimsler_ or other
15:59 mircea_popescu yes, but the problem is it all stems from your own personal delusion, i'd say.
15:59 Dimsler_ greed is my motivational factor
15:59 Dimsler_ which other ones did you want me to have?
16:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00284 = 0.1846 BTC [+]
16:00 mircea_popescu well, that's fine, but it doesn't help in this angle.
16:00 Dimsler_ i love all the preaching bitcoiners how they are going to be saving farmers in argentina or africa
16:00 mircea_popescu anyway : pimps will take whatever the customer pays.
16:00 Dimsler_ fact is btcs main use will be for illicit purposes
16:00 Dimsler_ ofcourse he will
16:00 mircea_popescu bitcoin is interesting for the student/teen that doubles as a hooker on her own
16:00 twizt hookercoin
16:01 mircea_popescu because that way she can't get caught, not really, and moreover she gets the crowd she likes
16:01 twizt has it been made yet?
16:01 twizt LOL
16:01 mircea_popescu (ie, white dorks/nerds)
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00284999 = 0.1425 BTC [+]
16:01 Dimsler_ well bitcoin is for anyone who doesn't want to A) have a problem with asset seizure B) wants to hide there activity financially C) want to launder there proceeds
16:01 mircea_popescu right ?
16:01 Dimsler_ so why wouldn't the pimp facilitate the usage of bitcoin
16:01 mircea_popescu so the last thing a pimp wants is crypto.
16:01 mircea_popescu the pimp and the govt have in fact the exact same interests :
16:01 mircea_popescu a stable of cattle they're exploiting.
16:02 Dimsler_ ofcourse but the pimp is operating within his own brutalizing operation
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0028462 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2}
16:02 mircea_popescu derp.
16:02 Dimsler_ outside of the norms of the government criminal gang
16:02 Dimsler_ hes not paying taxing or utilize the court system for conflict dispute
16:02 mircea_popescu anyway.
16:02 twizt government = real mafia
16:02 twizt lol
16:02 KRS1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZlJGERbvE
16:02 ozbot Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube
16:02 twizt 100% racket
16:02 Dimsler_ well mircea_popescu is correct
16:02 Dimsler_ countries are giant farms
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0028399 = 0.1988 BTC [-]
16:03 Dimsler_ they have the slaves, the brutalizing class, the high preists, and the farm keepers
16:03 mircea_popescu anyway, more's the point : i been trying to get the fucktarded girls on crypto for 2 years.
16:03 mircea_popescu they're dumb as rocks, lazy as a limp cock and proud like peacocks.
16:03 mircea_popescu it's slow going, and in the end who the fuck cares.
16:03 Dimsler_ thats why a simple pimpcoin interface
16:03 mircea_popescu lead that linked thread, you'll get the gist of it.
16:07 the20year Feb 3rd for RentalStarter on HL
16:08 KRS1 The grass is greener on the other side.
16:08 KRS1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngfiDVr495w
16:08 ozbot Julian Marley - Boom draw - YouTube
16:10 KRS1 lippoper: ^^ for you ganja man
16:11 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6287083cc8bb81a459ba829bfda86db/tumblr_mic74zp9mF1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
16:11 lippoper nice thanks mon
16:12 pankkake the tomatoes are more attractive than the girl
16:13 lippoper lol
16:13 twizt fake tits
16:14 lippoper aww how fappable
16:14 lippoper http://24.media.tumblr.com/19e62a8bcb882dcd8c847d172a627d92/tumblr_mmx4ed9O2f1rwegl4o1_500.jpg
16:15 pankkake nice!
16:15 mircea_popescu nice tomatoes.
16:15 lippoper yay dogecoin has reached coinmarketcap.com's #5 position
16:16 lippoper oh wait
16:16 lippoper slipped back to 6
16:16 lippoper nvm
16:16 pankkake sometimes Nxt breaks, too
16:19 mircea_popescu considering ripples are #2 there... lol.
16:21 pankkake http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Time%20For%20a%20Trip/Time_for_a_Trip_48.JPG
16:22 lippoper wow
16:22 lippoper I bet the redhead is the hottest and you can't see any of her assets
16:23 pankkake http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Time%20For%20a%20Trip/Time_for_a_Trip_49.JPG
16:23 pankkake she seems to have the biggest
16:23 lippoper I think i was right
16:23 lippoper :-)
16:25 pankkake http://photos.teenplanet.org/content/atomicfrog/AF%20Pix/Udderly%20Insane%20Mix/853853577.jpg that one is just unfair…
16:25 twizt cant see any of that
16:25 twizt lol
16:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 35 @ 0.02995081 = 1.0483 BTC [+] {6}
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16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
16:53 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149458.msg4761716#msg4761716
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16:53 ozbot [CRYPTO-TRADE] Crypto-trade.com IPO and official thread
16:54 mircea_popescu so much fail
16:56 Dimsler_ sorry i'm back
16:56 benkay y'all made me strip the babe down and lose like 2 hours of workable time
16:56 KRS1 HAHA
16:57 benkay downsides of the home office
16:57 benkay what was i doing again?
16:57 benkay "WOMAN MORE COFFEE"
17:02 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439046.0 << they're writing books now.
17:03 ozbot Our book gives you ★ PRIVACY ★ and ★ PRIZES ★
17:06 Dimsler_ lol contest
17:06 Dimsler_ honestly that entire forum is a den of theives, liars, and fraudsters
17:09 Dimsler_ mircea_popescu, what did they sell btct.co for anyway/
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00089601 = 7.9297 BTC [-]
17:11 mircea_popescu sold ? it was never sold.
17:11 mircea_popescu it just shut down.
17:12 dub What a viscous cycle.
17:13 mircea_popescu lol
17:16 Apocalyptic he's willing to sell it at least
17:30 herbijudlestoids hullo
17:30 Neil mircea_popescu: Seems I was right - bitbet gives you weight based on when bitbet processes the bet, not when the bet went in the blockchain... which is not good for extended downtime
17:31 herbijudlestoids here is the distribution of 10 tick log normalised returns in MPOE for the last 2 days http://imgur.com/bGRhQW5
17:31 herbijudlestoids looks like a good skew
17:32 pizzaman1337 2 days isn't much of a sample size though, is it?
17:32 herbijudlestoids similar formation to the 1 tick returns i plotted yesterday, seems like there is plenty of room for speculators
17:32 mircea_popescu Neil yep
17:32 herbijudlestoids pizzaman1337: all i got so far :) but youre right small sample size
17:33 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids looks remarkably centered tbh
17:34 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: returns definitely seem to skew positively, the distribution does not show the commonly taken levy form that i usually see, more like poisson distribution
17:34 mircea_popescu virginal
17:35 herbijudlestoids ?
17:36 herbijudlestoids i want to construct some kind of benchmark index from the different assets and use that to build information ratios etc
17:36 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i mean, for prices to distribute normally it'd mean there;s not much meta activity going on
17:36 mircea_popescu ie, virginal.
17:36 azi` does anyone happen to have any experience with cryptostocks.com?
17:36 herbijudlestoids financial timeseries vary rarely distribute normally
17:37 mircea_popescu azi` yes. it's a scam.
17:37 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yeah.
17:38 azi` mircea_popescu: why is it?
17:39 herbijudlestoids anyway these are just play charts until more data comes, just to get myself familiar with ingesting it and processing it...
17:39 mircea_popescu see for instance the sad story of their own selfipo, linked an hour ago. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2014#468657
17:39 pankkake it's another one
17:40 mircea_popescu no ?!
17:40 pankkake CipherTrade, CryptoTrade, CryptoStocks
17:40 mircea_popescu ow fuck.
17:41 azi` so much of these sites these days
17:41 pankkake https://btcinve.com/ https://www.litecoininvest.com/ too
17:41 ozbot BTCInve
17:41 azi` so many scams..
17:41 mircea_popescu bad link azi. hang a second.
17:42 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140700.0;all
17:42 ozbot [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public
17:42 mircea_popescu there's tons of other stuff, this one is funny because the guy running it pretty much stole each and every possible way.
17:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00584957 = 0.2983 BTC [+] {5}
17:45 herbijudlestoids sounds like old mrs clinton will be the next dem candidate
17:47 lewicki tough act to follow...
17:48 mircea_popescu she doesn't even get the benefit of pms
17:49 mircea_popescu lol i see goat is putting a lot of effort into perhaps a comeback.
17:53 mircea_popescu that should go over well.
17:54 mircea_popescu Neil you getting pm at all ?
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18:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04534966 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {2}
18:20 pankkake http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-01-30/
18:20 ozbot Dilbert comic strip for 01/30/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
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18:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
18:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.03200207 = 0.736 BTC [+] {4}
18:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.03200182 = 0.704 BTC [-] {6}
18:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 55 @ 0.02687298 = 1.478 BTC [-] {8}
18:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511116 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2}
18:56 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: if the trading volume of MPex picks up considerably, will you still be streaming orders via assbot?
18:59 jurov herbijudlestoids: assbot already aggregates orders
18:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04899989 = 0.245 BTC [+]
18:59 jurov at least on his chan
18:59 jurov but #assets-trades could get into trouble cuz flooding
19:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899992 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}
19:00 dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433280.msg4848691#msg4848691
19:00 ozbot Selling 4.13M stolen DogeCoins
19:00 dub cant put anything past these shibes
19:06 KRS1 those dirty dogs
19:08 pankkake scammers scamming scammers
19:11 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids it already has picked up considerably.
19:12 mircea_popescu dub remarkable how calous, 3rd world teh forum has become.
19:14 dub uh, lol?
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5980 @ 0.00090133 = 5.39 BTC [+]
19:14 mircea_popescu dude is back in there bumping his shit, not a care in the world etc.
19:15 dub like isk, doge has an implied level of lawlessness
19:16 dub lawl'essness too
19:16 mircea_popescu which just happens to be over 9000
19:17 mircea_popescu anyway, teh diids pushing it should be just about running out of suckerpool. should be lulzy to see it unwind.
19:24 jurov verily, they should build drones and take it inbetween them somewhere in desert
19:25 nubbins` mircea_popescu: 4 hours too late, but i'm here now!
19:25 mircea_popescu nubbins` you know that guy ?
19:25 nubbins` which guy? not 100% caught up
19:26 mircea_popescu DrahogErusiel
19:26 mircea_popescu forum painter dood
19:26 nubbins` ah, don't know him, but those paintings he's selling look amazing
19:26 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:27 mircea_popescu well he's too clueless to know me, so do you wanna escrow his fee ?
19:28 twizt lol amazing
19:28 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 68 @ 0.005 = 0.34 BTC
19:33 ThickAsThieves "do you want to be a baby hitler or full grown?"
19:36 nubbins` mircea_popescu, sure
19:36 nubbins` sorry, stepped away
19:37 mircea_popescu lol
19:37 mircea_popescu nubbins` so be a darling say so in the thred.
19:39 nubbins` sure, got a link?
19:39 nubbins` i'll race ya
19:40 mircea_popescu i'm screaming at wannabe pr outfits.
19:40 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4849162#msg4849162
19:40 ozbot portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia
19:41 nubbins` "at the club, at the beach, or in the amazon. "
19:41 nubbins` ahahahah
19:41 nubbins` actually amazing
19:41 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:43 nubbins` over the years, i've stopped taking "this would be great album art" as a compliment
19:43 mircea_popescu >D
19:43 ThickAsThieves "a company purchasing and selling convertible
19:43 ThickAsThieves virtual currency as an investment exclusively for the company’s benefit is not a money
19:43 ThickAsThieves transmitter. " ~ FINCEN
19:43 nubbins` so what the fuck is mike caldwell?
19:43 nubbins` these people..
19:43 ThickAsThieves also,
19:44 ThickAsThieves "The first ruling states that, to the extent a user creates or “mines” a convertible virtual currency solely for a user’s own purposes, the user is not a money transmitter under the BSA"
19:44 nubbins` solely for a user's own purposes
19:44 ThickAsThieves "If further clarification is needed, FinCEN encourages the submission of a request for an administrative ruling. The procedure for submission of administrative rulings can be found at FinCEN’s Web site"
19:44 ThickAsThieves http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/nr/pdf/20140130.pdf
19:45 ThickAsThieves the doc links to more docs with elaborations
19:46 nubbins` not sure which "official" thread is more pathetic, asicminer or cavirtex
19:46 mircea_popescu that's sad.
19:48 ThickAsThieves http://seekingalpha.com/article/1980641-visas-ceo-discusses-f1q-2014-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=5
19:48 ozbot Visa Inc (V) news: Visa's CEO Discusses F1Q 2014 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha
19:48 ThickAsThieves asked about Bitcoin
19:49 ThickAsThieves "And there’s certainly some interesting things about Bitcoin and other things like it, but there’s also a great deal of complexity. People talk about things like frictionless and things like that, and when you actually dig through it, it’s really not the case. It’s far more complex than that. And we feel very comfortable with the business that we have here."
19:49 mircea_popescu famous last words.
19:51 nubbins` he's right about frictionless
19:51 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: iv counted 46 ticks over 2 days, to compare to say the S&P 500 i would expect 46 ticks every 2 minutes?
19:52 mircea_popescu that he is.
19:52 herbijudlestoids lets say the rate of trading goes up to 10 ticks an hour, will you still stream on irc? :D
19:52 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids afaik the limit is 1 per second.
19:52 mircea_popescu (freenode's)
19:53 herbijudlestoids coo
19:53 mircea_popescu anyway, my point was more that the trades streamed when it was half a bitcoin worth 50 dollars, and it's still streaming when it's 50 bitcoins worth 50k
19:54 mircea_popescu and from there to 50m is about the same distance.
19:54 herbijudlestoids not sure if youre talking to me, but do oyu really believe BTCUSD valued at 1mio?
19:55 benkay of course
19:55 benkay herbijudlestoids ^^
19:55 jurov if btc is to be small part of international trade
19:55 benkay this is a room of true believers ;)
19:55 jurov then it just has to go there
19:55 herbijudlestoids well the highest valuation i had heard so far was 798,000
19:55 benkay oddly specific number.
19:55 benkay sounds like a winkle.
19:55 herbijudlestoids i take notes of oddly specific numbers
19:56 herbijudlestoids winkle?
19:56 nubbins` voss
19:56 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
19:56 benkay something a winklevii drops on the floor and nobody wants to touch
19:56 ozbot Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:56 mircea_popescu lol ozbot delayed
19:57 nubbins` mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4849297#msg4849297
19:57 nubbins` i tried!
19:58 mircea_popescu john guy keeps disappearing.
19:58 nubbins` nod.
19:58 mircea_popescu anyway, not the first time cluelessnes costs a guy his bread.
19:58 nubbins` sometimes for months at a time
19:58 nubbins` the "salty" he mentioned, i've done business with
19:59 nubbins` just checked to see if he's in the wot, lel: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=saltyspitoon
20:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090076 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {3}
20:00 mircea_popescu lol i guess it marginally qualifies.
20:00 herbijudlestoids hmmm
20:01 deadweasel so, mp, what kind of hitler are you?
20:01 deadweasel on da beach? in da muff?
20:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.049 = 3.479 BTC [+]
20:02 mircea_popescu no idea
20:02 mircea_popescu artist's gotta have some freedom neh ?
20:02 deadweasel it seems to scare him..
20:02 deadweasel he should do one like marge did of Monty Burns.
20:02 mircea_popescu it's a sad time we live in when the close minded burgeois scares the revolutionary artists.
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20:02 mircea_popescu shouldn't it be the other backwards around ?
20:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12786 @ 0.00090137 = 11.5249 BTC [+]
20:03 deadweasel i try not to should on things anymore, I'm always wrong.
20:03 jurov benkay, what??? are we are talking about the portrait you wanted to procure?
20:03 nubbins` relevant video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YLZc_gDMM
20:04 nubbins` i may have pasted that one here before
20:04 benkay dah what jurov?
20:04 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: have you ever heard of the freegold hypothesis?
20:04 herbijudlestoids i guess its one option you didnt consider
20:05 mircea_popescu so i have
20:05 jurov someone wanted to procure mirceas portrait
20:05 herbijudlestoids i personally put some weight behind it
20:05 jurov and asked nubbins` to paint it
20:05 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i don't see how it limits btc
20:05 jurov now i had some brainfart "that they want to paint him as hitler?"
20:05 herbijudlestoids it doesnt necessarily
20:06 jurov nevermind me
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00090342 = 3.6137 BTC [+]
20:06 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids for that matter, bitcoin could actually be it.
20:06 herbijudlestoids some of the properties you apply to BTC apply equally (or more so) to gold and that is an asset that happens to already be on ECB balance sheet ;)
20:07 mircea_popescu they don't apply to gold in any sense.
20:08 mircea_popescu you're basically saying "the stuff i say about cars also applies to other locomobiles, such as steam powered train engines and horsedrawn carriages"
20:08 herbijudlestoids "Nevertheless, the pressure is unyielding : people holding Bitcoins have no practical incentive to get rid of them, and people trying to get rid of their increasingly worthless dollars have no recourse. "
20:08 mircea_popescu sure, except fundamental issues prevent either from competing with the combustion engine.
20:08 mircea_popescu and since there's no room for 2nd place, it will just be this.
20:09 mircea_popescu much like the us has no train infrastructure, and uses trucks for everything. trains would be more effective for trucking, but gasoline engines are more effective overall and so... trains are fucked.
20:10 herbijudlestoids what youre proposing here is essentially BTC takes over the economic role of USD as global reserve asset
20:10 mircea_popescu no.
20:10 mircea_popescu it takes over the role of everyting. usd, eur, rmb, sdr, gold, stupid facebook tokens, in-game currencies like isk,
20:10 herbijudlestoids no? so why do holders of Bitcoins have any practical incentive to hold them lol
20:10 mircea_popescu likes, everything.
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090342 = 2.3489 BTC [+]
20:11 mircea_popescu this is why visa can't compete, not really, even if it doesn't know it yet.
20:11 herbijudlestoids i personally feel that BTC makes a good medium of exchange but a poor store of value
20:11 mircea_popescu they can't flawlessly merge ten billion likes into the value of an oil tanker.
20:11 mircea_popescu that personal feel flies in the face of reality.
20:12 mircea_popescu my wealth stored in btc has been doing better than anyone's any other wealth.
20:12 deadweasel mircea_popescu, at some point, don't you have to start worrying about physical security.. hired goons of the status quo and whatnot?
20:12 mircea_popescu do you ?
20:13 herbijudlestoids so short term relative performance now equals reality? lulz
20:13 deadweasel i am not valuable to the status quo
20:13 deadweasel so no, not until my government runs phsyically amok
20:13 mircea_popescu but you did buy like... a lock.
20:13 mircea_popescu which was a % of your net worth.
20:14 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids well, reality is that which happens, you know ?
20:15 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so if i do a quick stock scan and find all the global penny stocks that outperformed BTC since inception, wouldnt those actually be the best store of value :/
20:15 herbijudlestoids surely you jest
20:15 mircea_popescu for curiosity, do this :
20:15 mircea_popescu find penny stocks worth < 1 cent per share in 2010
20:15 mircea_popescu that are now worth > 1000 dollars per share.
20:15 deadweasel lol
20:15 jurov ^ with billions total valuation
20:15 mircea_popescu we're not talking six month's worth of pump and dump here.
20:15 mircea_popescu we're talking four friggin years.
20:16 mircea_popescu short term, yes. reality ? also yes.
20:17 mircea_popescu i'm kind-of curious if he actually finds one. afaik it doesn't exist.
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20:18 herbijudlestoids your scan parameters are wrong
20:18 mircea_popescu how so /
20:18 herbijudlestoids you should be looking for a 4Y ROC 100000%
20:18 mircea_popescu 10k btc pizza actually happened in 2010.
20:19 mircea_popescu mno. <1 cent to 1k usd = 10000000%
20:19 herbijudlestoids sorry yea, but the scan "1c to 1k" is wrong
20:20 mircea_popescu (technically 10k btc for a 19 dollar pizza would mean 0.19 cents each, but we'll let that slide)
20:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00090139 = 14.6025 BTC [-] {2}
20:20 mircea_popescu so scour the entire list of known pinks for anything matching it, i'm not picky.
20:20 benkay pinks?
20:20 mircea_popescu you can go all the way to 1950 for all i care.
20:20 mircea_popescu benkay they used to be printed on pink paper.
20:22 benkay ha
20:22 mircea_popescu that juicy moment when person suddenly realises the immensity of this shit.
20:26 herbijudlestoids give me a sec
20:26 herbijudlestoids took me a second to make the scan
20:27 mircea_popescu i'ma go spank a girl till you find anything ?
20:27 mircea_popescu poor her, that'd suck as a fate huh.
20:27 herbijudlestoids scanning now, largest so far is BIOM on LSE 46,959%
20:27 mircea_popescu o i remember biom
20:28 mircea_popescu foot prosthetics or something like that they did
20:30 herbijudlestoids ok that was the biggest one
20:30 mircea_popescu um
20:30 mircea_popescu actually it seems it's not what i thought it was
20:30 herbijudlestoids about ~5 stocks in the 10-50,000 range
20:30 mircea_popescu biome plc
20:30 mircea_popescu well you see... 50k ain't 10mn. not even close.
20:31 jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/#c2416 kakobrekla unicode fail
20:31 ozbot BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia
20:31 mircea_popescu some guy there is seriously named FICO ?
20:31 jurov local chars are missing
20:31 mircea_popescu o o
20:31 jurov yes. robert fico
20:31 herbijudlestoids so maybe my maths is retarded but i calculated (1000-0.01)/0.01=99999%
20:31 mircea_popescu well... i hope his credit is good...
20:31 herbijudlestoids so how did we get 10 million?
20:32 mircea_popescu where did you get the % from ?
20:32 herbijudlestoids rate of change
20:32 mircea_popescu ...
20:32 kakobrekla jurov bitbet doesnt like your char
20:32 mircea_popescu so on the right you get a % for free ?
20:32 mircea_popescu (10-5)/5 = 1% ?
20:32 herbijudlestoids o right, yea my maths is retarded gotta * 100
20:33 mircea_popescu those last two digits are the best two digits.
20:34 herbijudlestoids i guess up to oyu if you wanna use 4Y ROC as proof of its viability as a store of value but i dont feel very convinced
20:35 mircea_popescu im not trying to convince you. i merely made the previous points.
20:35 herbijudlestoids yep
20:35 mircea_popescu fact is so far it did so work. what the future brings... the future knows.
20:36 herbijudlestoids well it works inasmuch as you can convince people to join the BTC economy and exchange real good and services, and in cases where you cant it doesnt work
20:36 mircea_popescu not at all.
20:37 mircea_popescu this is like the intuition of everyone, but it's perfectly false. bitcoin works fine irrespective of what anyone does.
20:37 herbijudlestoids i doubt you actually expect that your net worth denominated in BTC would be equal to a fraction if you tried to convert it all at once to say USD or whatever
20:37 mircea_popescu so you doubt.
20:37 mircea_popescu you familiar with gresham's law ?
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20:37 herbijudlestoids am i wrong? do you expect theres enough liquidity for you to make a transition like that without any loss?
20:37 herbijudlestoids yes
20:37 herbijudlestoids quite :)
20:38 mircea_popescu ok so. it doesn';t matter what people do or don't do
20:38 mircea_popescu merely the preference to save strong currencies and to spend weak ones ensures the price differential.
20:38 mircea_popescu compared to anything else man made, bitcoin is adamantine.
20:39 herbijudlestoids i swear i mentioned something about global reserve asset earlier
20:39 herbijudlestoids preference to save is enforced by the marginal global saver
20:39 mircea_popescu so i mentioned something in 2011, what of it >D
20:39 herbijudlestoids what they save in is the store of value
20:40 herbijudlestoids you cant just call a currency the strong one for no reason. the use of a particular asset as a store of value by the marginal global saver(s) is what gives it that characteristic
20:41 herbijudlestoids i.e. what are those entities converting their productive surplus into
20:41 mircea_popescu but i have an excellent statistical reason
20:41 mircea_popescu that 10mn earlier.
20:41 mircea_popescu no business in the history of business did anything like this
20:41 mircea_popescu only currencies can, and only currencies do.
20:41 mircea_popescu basically in the 2010-2014 the entire world had a zimbabwe moment
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20:41 mircea_popescu and didn't even know it.
20:42 mircea_popescu (much like the actual peasants of zimbabwe, what do they know of finance)
20:42 jurov oh, they did notice ever fattening stacks of bills
20:43 mircea_popescu i guess. and obama is increasing the minimum wage, and more qe, and more bailouts, and so on and so forth.
20:43 herbijudlestoids im not really sure what any of the above has to do with greshams law lol
20:43 mircea_popescu it's a better model than the "marginal saver", in that it relies less on statistical artificery.
20:45 mircea_popescu other than the statistical reason (ie, bitcoin is the strong currency because of its history) there are actually legions of other reasons. bitcoin is fungible, unlike any other fiat
20:46 mircea_popescu (in that no court can order the de-fungibilisation of bitcoin)
20:46 mircea_popescu in any dispute of currency the more fungible wins, period.
20:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00426999 = 0.427 BTC [+]
20:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 60 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2562 BTC [+]
20:51 herbijudlestoids i think youre a pretty smart guy, dont really want to get into a full blown thing so i will just say i disagree that through the lens of greshams law, bitcoin is the "strong currency" which savers have a preference to save in. if youre interested in maybe considering a different view heres FOFOA on the topic (a bit long) http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/bitcoin-open-forum-part-3.html
20:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2135 BTC [+]
20:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00090342 = 8.5373 BTC [+]
20:52 mircea_popescu you gotta appreciate this position is in no way novel to me, you know.
20:52 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: appreciate that
20:52 mircea_popescu for that matter, moldbug is still shy on my bet
20:53 mircea_popescu ( http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ )
20:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 65 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2775 BTC [+] {2}
20:53 mircea_popescu and you'll be well advised to take note that for all his childish posturing a) yarvin capitulated and tried to make his own bitcoin
20:53 mircea_popescu b) which attempt bitcoin crushed.
20:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00426999 = 0.1708 BTC [+]
20:56 herbijudlestoids hmmm well i would never have argued that the USG will shutdown bitcoin or that bitcoin will be worthless, those seem like two stupid things to bet on
20:56 herbijudlestoids although i would posit that considering the nature of centralisation of the internet currently, it might not be that hard for the USG to do so
20:56 herbijudlestoids also i dont think bitcoin is worthless, i think it has a considerable value as a medium of exchange
20:57 decimation I think Mr. Yarvin was correct in his analysis about the game theory of bitcoin saving
20:58 decimation it's Gresham's law, as MP mentioned
20:58 kakobrekla hm i didnt know davinci way gay
20:58 kakobrekla was*
20:58 decimation he underestimated the avarice of those who would influence USG decisionmaking
20:58 CheckDavid how does gresham's apply to bitcoin'
20:59 herbijudlestoids can you please explain for us retards, how "bitcoin just is"? considering it requires a globally distributed network of hosts to constantly verify and transact? fractures introduced to the network topology, or similar, seem to argue against the idea that bitcoin is simply a mathematical construct. you need compute power and communication to implement and distribute the construct
21:00 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids ironically, the medium of exchange function is the thing at which bitcoin sucks worst.
21:00 decimation It exists just like the democrats and republicans exist
21:00 decimation there's no reason why they exist really, everyone could change their minds tomorrow
21:00 decimation yet they don't
21:00 decimation and won't
21:00 mircea_popescu since i'm doing a trilema retrospective apparently, here, see that : http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015
21:01 herbijudlestoids decimation: wut? is that seriously the answer?
21:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla srsly ?!
21:01 decimation why not?
21:01 kakobrekla yea
21:01 kakobrekla www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsE0BwQ3l8U&feature=youtu.be&t=27m47s
21:01 mircea_popescu who else did you not know was gay ? elton john ? boy george ?
21:01 mircea_popescu queen lezzie ?
21:02 kakobrekla i dunno, i do not study these things.
21:02 mircea_popescu you don't study lezzies.
21:03 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: the comment you sent me seems to directly contradict your statement that bitcoin will replace everything
21:03 decimation LoL that German youtube guy "Der Diktator der Kunst ist Ideal."
21:03 Dimsler_ mircea_popescu, what are you estimate daily active users at
21:03 Dimsler_ currently
21:03 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids how so ?
21:03 mircea_popescu Dimsler_ active users of what, pot ? i dunno, 50mn.
21:03 Dimsler_ btc
21:03 mircea_popescu i have no idea. there's like 7k or so full nodes iirc.
21:03 herbijudlestoids if it is to replace everything, how can it also "never be a direct means of payment for retail anything"
21:04 mircea_popescu where's the contradiction ?
21:05 mircea_popescu has electricity replaced female labour in the house or hasn't it ?
21:05 herbijudlestoids well, i assume your "everything" includes direct means of payment for retail things, since you included even facebook ecash or whatever in your list of things it is to replace
21:05 mircea_popescu sure, it still needs appliances.
21:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00090211 = 3.8791 BTC [-]
21:05 mircea_popescu you're going to have stuff built on top of btc to handle the subsidiary and marginal task of retail.
21:06 mircea_popescu but btc will dictate how these look and how they work and how they feel and even what retail is.
21:06 mircea_popescu much like... no 1800s woman on her knees polishing the floors is much represented in the modern vacuum cleanner.
21:07 decimation There's no reason in principle why one couldn't extend bank credit which is convertible to claims on BTC
21:07 decimation Therefore no reason why you couldn't run a btc credit card
21:07 decimation of course you would want a non-retarded security model
21:07 mircea_popescu actually, to clarify, "takes over" != "replaces".
21:08 mircea_popescu at least, not in your reading.
21:08 decimation I'm also assuming the word "bank" means something different than the modern western concept
21:09 decimation like, the bank knows about your actual credit riskiness, rather than just accepting fiat insurance
21:10 decimation I donno, I came to bitcoin via Mr. Yarvin. In retrospect his doubts about Bitcoin look silly.
21:13 herbijudlestoids ok, well im not really sure how bitcoin not being used for retail makes it a bad MoE, but ok thats your view
21:13 herbijudlestoids decimation: not really sure what your comment re republocrats was about, very far from the answer i was looking for
21:13 herbijudlestoids or even the type of answer
21:15 decimation well, what I was attempting to convey was the idea that bitcoin is contingent on coordination amoung many in a mysterious way
21:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00090342 = 0.9486 BTC [+]
21:15 decimation In the same way, the US political parties stay in power even when both obviously operate against the interests of those who are coordinating
21:16 herbijudlestoids err if bitcoin is contingent on coordination then the statement "bitcoin just is" is false.
21:16 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i merely said that out of the various functions, that happens to be the one it does worst.
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144 @ 0.00090708 = 0.1306 BTC [+]
21:16 mircea_popescu doesn't mean it's bad. just means it's much better at other things.
21:17 herbijudlestoids "bitcoin just is, as long as many coordinate in a mysterious way"
21:17 decimation Do you think the triangle is in a simliarly precarious position?
21:17 herbijudlestoids difference.
21:17 mircea_popescu be so kind not to modify my statements by your discussions with third parties eh :D
21:17 herbijudlestoids sorry mircea_popescu
21:17 herbijudlestoids decimation: how much crack do you smoke?
21:18 decimation Indeed.
21:18 herbijudlestoids surely by now your dealer must know you by first name
21:19 mircea_popescu the mark of the true junkie : he keeps a stable of dealers, rather than the other way around
21:20 kakobrekla up his ass, or ?
21:21 mircea_popescu lol
21:21 decimation http://about.bloomberglaw.com/legal-news/new-york-state-regulator-promises-tough-bitcoin-rules/
21:21 ozbot New York State Regulator Promises Tough Bitcoin Rules - Bloomberg Law
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00166253 = 0.3325 BTC [+]
21:21 mircea_popescu lol new york, trying hard to outdo new jersey
21:22 mircea_popescu “If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first,” Lawsky said at the hearing.
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21:22 mircea_popescu win.
21:23 decimation Indeed. Exactly as you predicted, the regulators are more than happy to cede currency regulation to Bitcoin, if Bitcoin allows them to crowbar their banks.
21:24 mircea_popescu it's funny tho, making exactly the wrong moves. you couldn't pay them to be this conveniently stupid.
21:24 decimation The hilarious part to me is that they think their "bitlicense" will allow to them dictate to bitcoin, rather than the other way around
21:25 mircea_popescu bitcoin was taken to $10 by lulz, to $100 by lulz and drama and to $1000 by lulz, drama and mining.
21:26 decimation It's going to go to > 1 mil based on this stuff
21:26 mircea_popescu i guess with the extra "watch us fail" boost 10k may even be possible
21:26 decimation It's because a few indiviuals in key positions think they can ride the wave of terror to power
21:26 Dimsler_ i think 50k will be possible
21:26 Dimsler_ i think the run up will be one that nobody will be expecting
21:26 Dimsler_ from the historical research on bubles i've read
21:26 Dimsler_ 50k is quite possible
21:27 mircea_popescu “If that same company can be started in the U.K. or Germany, maybe that innovation just gets pushed offshore,” Liew said.
21:27 mircea_popescu "Nobody will care that the original paper may have been written by an American and the original discussion on the long forgotten original Bitcoin forum was carried in English. I can deal just as well with Russian investors, I can deal just as well with Chinese investors, Bitcoin is completely neutral from a cultural perspective. This neutrality means that cultures will have to compete. So far the US is losing this comp
21:27 mircea_popescu etition at this level. If things don’t get fixed soon the only thing that we’ll be able to say for sure about Bitcoin regulation will be that it won’t be written in English, and it won’t consider US interests or sensibilities."
21:27 mircea_popescu mircea popescu said
21:27 mircea_popescu except... you know, a little earlier.
21:27 decimation Yep
21:27 Dimsler_ well i dont' really want to deal with the west
21:27 decimation "
21:27 Dimsler_ btc-e is russian so is g.hash
21:27 decimation Lawsky at times sympathized with the goals of the investors at the hearing, complaining that it could take ?days? to pay his credit card from a bank account. And he criticized fees immigrants pay to send money home, and welcomed the chance to use Bitcoin to reduce the costs.
21:28 decimation ?That?s a huge thing, for the country and New Yorkers,? Lawsky said.
21:28 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/
21:28 Dimsler_ both operate in secrecay
21:28 ozbot The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:28 Dimsler_ under silence
21:28 mircea_popescu "This is possibly the last chance to take those piles of fundamentally worthless US dollars and use them for something with any sort of future value."
21:28 Dimsler_ the way it should be
21:28 mircea_popescu last chance came... and went.
21:28 decimation It's a huge thing for New Yorkers indeed.
21:28 herbijudlestoids lol it went?
21:28 herbijudlestoids yet it could still go to 50k?
21:29 mircea_popescu “The Bitcoin ecosystem of companies and investors has to engage to allay real concerns and avoid being pigeonholed by policy makers,” Klein said.
21:29 mircea_popescu ahahaha! HAS TO ?
21:29 mircea_popescu lol. listen to them go
21:29 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yup.
21:30 herbijudlestoids implication is that its no longer possible to exchange USD for something with any sort of future value...
21:30 mircea_popescu you're trapped in this mental representation wherein stuff can only happen with permission. this is not how things happen. your choice is whether you're on the boat when it sails or not.
21:30 mircea_popescu your choice is not whether the boat sails, or when.
21:30 mircea_popescu or how, or where to.
21:30 mircea_popescu not practically, no.
21:30 mircea_popescu technically it is still possible, but in retrospect it'
21:31 mircea_popescu ll be one of those things that "could hav been"
21:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20128 @ 0.00090108 = 18.1369 BTC [-] {2}
21:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
21:31 herbijudlestoids im not trapped in any such mental representation and dont really believe for example that a BTCUSD price punctuation event would need "permission" to occur lol
21:32 decimation what controlling factor would limit its rise?
21:32 herbijudlestoids if the possibility came and went then the implication is that people *today* have literally no option for investment...so BTCs are out for those people?
21:32 mircea_popescu well, i dun know what you think, obviously. im merely noticing that what you say comes from this one point of view.
21:32 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the article was discussing investors, you know ?
21:32 herbijudlestoids right
21:32 Dimsler_ more lke speculators
21:32 mircea_popescu now, people do have options. it's just they won't take them.
21:33 mircea_popescu there's options you have, and then there's options you actually can take.
21:33 mircea_popescu some are forbidden, some just escape your view.
21:33 herbijudlestoids but the opportunity has not gone
21:33 mircea_popescu technically.
21:33 herbijudlestoids you said it has gone :P
21:33 mircea_popescu in practice, it's gone.
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00089833 = 11.274 BTC [-] {2}
21:33 Dimsler_ what are we talking about
21:33 Dimsler_ whats gone?
21:33 mircea_popescu if back in april wanna-be investors had actually invested, the us still had a chance.
21:33 mircea_popescu should have started earlier, but there was still space.
21:34 mircea_popescu by now... heh. hardly.
21:34 mircea_popescu Dimsler_ link above.
21:34 Dimsler_ are we talking about btc speculation?
21:34 decimation There are only a few more orders of magnitude of growth left before it becomes the world trade currency
21:34 mircea_popescu decimation the people are more important.
21:34 mircea_popescu the fact that andressen horovitz is not in the wot today dooms it.
21:34 mircea_popescu should have been in the wot two years ago.
21:34 decimation Or Paul Singer?
21:34 Dimsler_ fucking jew
21:34 mircea_popescu or whoever.
21:35 decimation http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/01/28/hedge-fund-manager-paul-singer-shocked-by-bitcoin-popularity/
21:35 ozbot Hedge-Fund Manager Paul Singer ‘Shocked’ by Bitcoin Popularity - MoneyBeat - WSJ
21:35 Dimsler_ bitcoins not that popular
21:36 Dimsler_ 4mil users?
21:36 Dimsler_ lol
21:36 Dimsler_ maybe 500k active
21:36 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids let's examine the following avenue : maddoff's "investments" collapsed like so much termite eaten furniture.
21:36 mircea_popescu why was this ?
21:36 mircea_popescu "mismanagement" right ? "misrepresentation", right ?
21:36 Dimsler_ maddoff ran a pyramid scheme
21:36 Dimsler_ fed by blind greed
21:36 mircea_popescu well... what exactly is this misrepresentation ? what is its substance ?
21:36 Dimsler_ there wasn't any
21:37 mircea_popescu a cluelessness about the real value of assets, which may as well mean "buying US stocks" as it may mean "moving money from our account to our account"
21:37 Dimsler_ well the problem with US stocks is they all suck
21:37 Dimsler_ unless you're buying tobacco or liquor
21:37 decimation US stocks are a trival case of the CEO's pirating money from the "investor's" 401k accounts
21:37 herbijudlestoids madoffs investments collapsed because of a cluelessness about the real value of assets?
21:37 Dimsler_ everything else sucks
21:37 mircea_popescu can you prove to me the entire troop of us hedge funds aren't little maddofs running around, shielded by "industry standards" ?
21:37 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yes. you disagree ?
21:38 herbijudlestoids not sure that statement made much sense to me
21:38 mircea_popescu ok. let's get to the bottom of this.
21:38 Dimsler_ how does it not make any sense
21:38 herbijudlestoids but i can prove to you quite easily through factor decomposition that most US hedge funds are not doing anything special at all
21:38 Dimsler_ the US stock market is a giant boiler room
21:38 mircea_popescu maddoff's balancesheet, before the collapse, showed some assets.
21:38 mircea_popescu right ?
21:38 Dimsler_ a game of hotpotatoe
21:38 Dimsler_ refer to current price of facebook stock
21:39 herbijudlestoids i wish people would stop interrupting your interesting comments with inane bullshit so i can try to understand
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21:39 Dimsler_ huge market cap, little revenue
21:39 asciilifeform "can you prove to me the entire troop of us hedge funds aren't little maddofs running around, shielded..." << i can prove that this /must/ be so
21:39 Dimsler_ little value
21:39 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids no such luck on irc :)
21:39 herbijudlestoids stfu morons
21:39 mircea_popescu lol
21:39 Dimsler_ i'm summerizing his comments
21:39 Dimsler_ into peasent english for you
21:39 Dimsler_ to understand
21:39 mircea_popescu it'll be a pm discussion.
21:39 herbijudlestoids your summary is about as useful as the stupid analogy that decimation gave earlier.
21:40 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids dja know how to use the pm system ?
21:41 Apocalyptic keep it in the chan mircea_popescu if you can
21:41 Apocalyptic herbijudlestoids, just /ignore people that annoy you
21:41 kakobrekla you have just been ignored.
21:42 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i'll just publish the thing when we're done
21:47 TomServo I got all excited and ran out of log. :(
21:47 kakobrekla lmaio
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0009054 = 7.3337 BTC [+] {2}
21:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00090024 = 16.6094 BTC [-]
21:50 decimation If not bitcoin, than some other cryptocurrency. And if any cryptocurrency, than bitcoin.
21:55 decimation asciilifeform you mention on your blog your efforts to discover the inner workings of FPGAs - have you made enough progress to create a self-modifying compute unit?
21:56 asciilifeform decimation: depends what you mean by 'self-modifying'
21:57 asciilifeform the protocol for pumping in the 'bitstream' is simple and documented;
21:57 decimation I mean that it can program itself after design time
21:57 asciilifeform the correspondence between each bit of the bitstream and the internal logic of the fpga is a $billion secret
21:57 decimation ah
21:58 asciilifeform the reason for this secrecy is interesting and perverse
21:58 asciilifeform the major vendors earn far more renting out 'cores' (read: libraries, for things like ethernet and pci) than through selling the chips per se.
21:59 decimation Why hasn't something like "opencores" largely replaced that?
21:59 asciilifeform because the opencores libs aren't optimized for a particular fpga
21:59 asciilifeform and therefore have mediocre-to-poor performance on most jobs
21:59 asciilifeform take, for instance, sdram controllers
22:00 asciilifeform if you don't optimize for a particular fpga, you can't get anything close to the maximum rated clock of the sdram in question
22:00 asciilifeform because each logic element (incl. switch matrix) in the path is an extra few ns. of delay
22:01 asciilifeform and the whole shebang is speed-limited by its 'weakest link' (longest delay)
22:01 decimation Is it a clock speed question or is it a quantity of gates question?
22:01 asciilifeform those are directly related. but yes, both.
22:02 asciilifeform likewise, each vendor (and even particular flavours of fpga from same vendor) provides slightly different building blocks on top of the usual LUTs
22:02 asciilifeform e.g. multipliers, shift registers, etc
22:02 asciilifeform if your design maps well to what you have, you get decent (minimal) 'footprint' and speed
22:02 asciilifeform if not, then not.
22:03 decimation Interesting. So these companies make their money by building proprietary cores on top of their proprietary chips.
22:03 asciilifeform the closed architectures are motivated not only by fear of reverse-engineered licensed cores, but
22:03 asciilifeform they have an incentive to make it as painful as possible to write anything from scratch
22:04 decimation So they insert an artifical layer of indirection in the hardware and give you an opaque software layer to undo it
22:05 asciilifeform not quite artificial
22:05 asciilifeform the internals really are somewhat complicated
22:06 decimation So, why doesn't some no-name Chinese fab make a relatively "generic" chip and take over the market?
22:06 asciilifeform likewise, the vendor software usually includes a mountain of 'travelling salesman' optimization trickery licensed from hell knows where
22:06 decimation I guess it wouldn't include said trickery
22:06 asciilifeform the chinese, according to some, do make clones of various Xilinx units
22:06 asciilifeform but presumably they simply use pirated tool chain
22:07 asciilifeform just like soviet pdp clones often ran unmodified pirated os
22:07 asciilifeform that was sort of the whole point
22:07 asciilifeform avoid the dev work
22:07 asciilifeform you don't actually need to understand very much about an IC design to clone it.
22:07 decimation Presuming you have the mask?
22:07 asciilifeform you can get the mask.
22:08 asciilifeform (it's in there, after all.)
22:08 asciilifeform this is how soviet clones of DEC chips ended up exact duplicates, complete with the (poorly translated, with a dictionary, by DEC) profanities
22:11 Apocalyptic mircea, fair enough
22:13 decimation Do you think there will ever be a day when hardware makers find it in their interest to peddle hardware that has an accessible interface?
22:13 decimation Or will they always be beholden to chasing after some lock-in dream?
22:14 asciilifeform transparent hardware -> $, lock-in -> $$$$$$
22:15 decimation And yet, bunnie points out that freescale has opened the docs for their ARM clone
22:15 asciilifeform docs only, or the complete chip mask and sources for the latter ?
22:15 asciilifeform highly doubt (2), if only because arm is a licensed product
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9688 @ 0.00090525 = 8.7701 BTC [+] {2}
22:16 decimation I suspect only datasheet/programming model
22:16 asciilifeform interestingly, the earliest (late '80s) fpgas did not have this problem
22:16 decimation and they probably only open that because they are a two-bit player
22:17 asciilifeform they were well-documented and extremely simple, because they were originally just a substitute for buckets of PALs/GALs
22:17 asciilifeform no one would've dreamed of trying to implement a cpu on one
22:17 asciilifeform a few thousand gates, max
22:18 asciilifeform today there are fpgas with several mil. of gates, costing in the high five figures (u.s. dollar)
22:18 asciilifeform and you still won't get layout docs
22:18 nubbins` i downloaded an osx program the other day, double-clicked to open, "this application was not created by an authorized developer" or some such
22:19 nubbins` had to right-click and select open
22:19 nubbins` :(
22:19 decimation Plus, good luck achieving max clock rate and not melting the chip
22:19 asciilifeform decimation: the vendor toolchain usually calculates your maximum clock rate, based on theoretical path delays (usually a conservative figure, as you'd expect)
22:20 asciilifeform nubbins`: welcome to the Nintendoized world
22:20 decimation suppose your design occupies most of the gates and ends up clocking nearly all of them at max rate.
22:21 decimation It seems that at some point you are going to need more current
22:21 nubbins` asciilifeform, i always was curious about the "walled garden!!" type people who also owned consoles
22:21 nubbins` no fuckin shit it's a walled garden, y'know?
22:21 nubbins` that said, nothing more than a mild inconvenience to disable the feature, i'm sure
22:21 asciilifeform decimation: vendor usually specifies a max current. and then you go, X cm^s, Y watts dissipated, need such and such heat sink...
22:22 asciilifeform *cm^2
22:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: don't be surprised if mac os '11' or whatnot simply refuses to run 'unsigned' apps
22:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00084426 = 0.103 BTC [+]
22:23 decimation nubbins` - I enjoyed your German painter link. "Der Diktator der Kunst ist Ideal."
22:24 decimation that's the obvious next step for apple to take
22:24 decimation I believe they have unofficially said as much
22:24 nubbins` asciilifeform, that'd be the worry, but i don't think it'll happen any time soon
22:24 asciilifeform never forget why MS bailed out apple in the '90s.
22:24 nubbins` decimation, jonathan meese is an intense man
22:25 asciilifeform apple is the 'good cop' in a classic 'good cop / bad cop' number.
22:26 nubbins` don't get me wrong, they'll fuck ya raw all kinds of ways for a buck
22:27 herbijudlestoids after a rigorous discussion on bitcoin, i always top it off with a quick
22:27 herbijudlestoids .bait
22:27 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mas3ygVSjO1qeoz8ro1_1280.jpg
22:27 nubbins` but i don't think there's enough to gain from blocking all unsigned apps for them to risk it
22:27 decimation Ascii, have you considered that the insecurity of MS (and apple) crapware now justifies the Pentagon's budgets?
22:28 asciilifeform decimation: i get to consider this every day, for money.
22:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00090052 = 12.157 BTC [-]
22:28 nubbins` heh
22:29 decimation For the amount of money the USG shovels into the beltway bandits, we could have your princely secure terminals
22:29 asciilifeform ms turned the 'email virus' from an urban legend into reality, single-handed.
22:29 Apocalyptic herbijudlestoids, so you guys are done ?
22:29 herbijudlestoids im baitin arent i?
22:30 asciilifeform the software 'industry' has the memory of an alzheimer's patient. it's like the '90s never happened.
22:31 nubbins` the number of lost hours alone spent making websites work with ie6
22:31 asciilifeform and ms isn't a company in the sense of, say, coca cola (or even the original 'standard oil') - it's a crown monopoly
22:31 nubbins` (and 7, 8, 9)
22:32 asciilifeform if no consumer ever bought a winblows pc in a retail shop again, it would survive in something close to its current size, simply from the government largesse
22:32 herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: interesting thought, i hear yesterday the UK endorsed ODF for all documents in the future
22:33 nubbins` "we can't open this, can you send it in .doc?"
22:33 Apocalyptic better send it as niggers.txt
22:33 asciilifeform the real one?
22:33 asciilifeform or the ms 'embrace and extend'ed turd
22:33 nubbins` odf 3.11
22:33 herbijudlestoids they just spec ODF
22:34 herbijudlestoids so i guess real one
22:36 KRS1 .bait
22:36 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/f9beca3d51fae9d5dc21e04e6af4d781/tumblr_movloedp6C1ssfdiao1_1280.jpg
22:36 KRS1 rawr
22:36 decimation I guess when peasants buy computers, peasant computing is what we get
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090039 = 7.4732 BTC [-] {2}
22:51 Apocalyptic <mircea_popescu> [03:33:34] in practice, it's gone. // is it ?
22:53 mircea_popescu for people who were curious : http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/ the discussion
22:53 mircea_popescu TomServo ^
22:54 herbijudlestoids haha i got a little lost in the post where you offered 10BTC to the guy to put a sharpie in his butt
22:54 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you found your way to where i used that same sharpie to rape something awful ?
22:55 herbijudlestoids newp, reading the "I can't even" now lol
22:55 herbijudlestoids this sentence "Right that, right there, even if she spent the entire interval nude, made soap out of her own sebum and ate food stampsvi you would not be able to cover cost." ...i feel like....i love this sentence
22:56 mircea_popescu yw.
22:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00090024 = 2.0706 BTC [-]
23:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00089963 = 6.5673 BTC [-] {2}
23:05 decimation I like the shout-out to "ham radio"
23:05 asciilifeform re: the btcapocalypse: still seems to me like it would be wise to invent the parachute before, rather than after, being pushed out of the plane.
23:06 herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: pls explain for retards
23:07 asciilifeform would help to get the 'ham radio' / mesh network / btc-over-pigeon system now, rather than when it becomes the only possible means of running the network.
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23:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17574 @ 0.00090052 = 15.8257 BTC [+]
23:07 decimation indeed, that sounds quite fun
23:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one critique i have to this is that should it be invented afore, it'll then necessarily be known afore. this is perhaps unideal. bitcoin was invented before or after ? does it work because it was invented after ? would it have, were it invented before ?
23:08 herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: i agree with the idea of building the infrastructure so that it doesnt necessarily need the internet
23:08 mircea_popescu admitting you agree the parachute moment was at the latest nixon
23:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 326 @ 0.00090194 = 0.294 BTC [+]
23:09 asciilifeform my argument isn't even that 'the great anti-btc firewall of earth' is coming, but that modern telecom is an extremely fragile beast
23:09 mircea_popescu restructured like that i have nothing.
23:11 asciilifeform mesh net is surprisingly easy, but largely non-existent because there is very little commercial incentive
23:11 asciilifeform (actually, strong incentive in the other direction)
23:11 herbijudlestoids there is a couple of interesting mesh options happening
23:11 herbijudlestoids the obvious ones everyone knows about
23:11 herbijudlestoids but also gnunet has some support for the concept, including the ability to inject packets directly onto a WLAN device without need any existing network
23:12 asciilifeform even ignoring various 'license-free' radio bands, you can easily send bits to everyone on your side of your mains power step-down transformer
23:12 decimation http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/egypt-isp-shutdown/
23:12 ozbot Egypt Shut Down Its Net With a Series of Phone Calls | Threat Level | Wired.com
23:12 decimation ?There are a handful of big providers you would need to coordinate with and they are all licensees of the state telecom, so they are all beholden to the Telecommunication Regulatory Authority, so your license is dependent on following the rules,? Labovitz said.
23:13 asciilifeform anyone interested in the subject would do well to understand the basic principles of 'spread spectrum'
23:13 herbijudlestoids i would bet on this for mesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet
23:13 herbijudlestoids new version out recently for 30c3
23:13 asciilifeform where, in principle, one can radiate sufficiently little at any given point of spectrum to make classical triangulation virtually impossible
23:14 herbijudlestoids mesh adoption is sort of like bitcoin adoptoin tho
23:14 herbijudlestoids how do you convince everyone to run a client, and in the end most "consumers" run it from the cloud anyway
23:14 asciilifeform since this would have to be a piece of physical hardware, the only solution afaik is to manufacture a tremendous number of widgets and give them away.
23:14 herbijudlestoids oooo
23:14 herbijudlestoids thats an interesting idea.
23:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00090194 = 5.9077 BTC [+]
23:15 asciilifeform bonus points if you can engineer the net to make operating a node a profitable affair, like btc mining
23:16 herbijudlestoids theres one like that, tornet
23:16 herbijudlestoids i mentioned it to those bitcloud cunts but they didnt care
23:16 herbijudlestoids too busy hyping
23:16 asciilifeform in fact, now that i think of it, btc is the missing puzzle piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping a global radio mesh.
23:16 herbijudlestoids admittedly i dunno how mature the code is or what. https://github.com/bytemaster/tornet
23:17 Duffer1 S.NSA's next project ascii? :P
23:17 asciilifeform no, just idle wankery
23:17 herbijudlestoids .bait
23:17 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/fea5bcb598057af6a03fea1481a8ade8/tumblr_modk7pS59M1r71nhmo1_500.jpg
23:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> in fact, now that i think of it, btc is the missing puzzle piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping a global radio mesh. << /me grins
23:22 mircea_popescu btc is in fact the missing piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping everything of this sort.
23:24 jayk ;o
23:24 kakobrekla even the parachute.
23:25 mircea_popescu fun fact : parasuta is, in romanian, yet another word for whore.
23:26 herbijudlestoids do romanians have lots of words for whore?
23:26 mircea_popescu possibly the most.
23:27 herbijudlestoids wow they do.
23:27 herbijudlestoids but your one isnt on there
23:27 herbijudlestoids http://translate.google.com/#auto/ro/whore
23:27 mircea_popescu petarda (ie, firecracker) ; zdreanta (used scrap of cloth) ; there's prolly 100+
23:27 herbijudlestoids ah right you include colloquialisms
23:27 mircea_popescu all romanian is one huge colloquialism
23:28 mircea_popescu lele actually wouldn't be recognised as such. it's a disused word and most speakers would only take it as an antiquated form for older sister/girlfriend
23:28 mircea_popescu dama either, it roughly covers the us "dame"
23:28 herbijudlestoids yeah you can see the little bar next to it shows google isnt as sure as for the other words
23:28 mircea_popescu jesus google is shitty, there's a conjunctive verbal form there, definitely can't work as a noun nor does it mean whore.
23:29 mircea_popescu a yeah.
23:29 mircea_popescu wait, drab means whore in english ?!
23:30 herbijudlestoids probly the entire thing is done by machine learning and no validation ;)
23:30 herbijudlestoids so to the machine, somehow drab is somewhere on the synonym chain for whore
23:30 mircea_popescu no, it does. won\der of wonders.
23:30 mircea_popescu hey kakobrekla : it's not just slovenly, it's also slatternly!
23:31 mircea_popescu does slatterna exist somewhere around /
23:31 herbijudlestoids haha slatterna is a place in sweden
23:31 herbijudlestoids ho ho ho i wonder
23:32 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema poftiti la muie
23:32 gribble No matches found.
23:32 mircea_popescu eh come on.
23:34 mircea_popescu btw herbijudlestoids do yourself a favour get in the wot today.
23:34 herbijudlestoids im in it, do you mean identify myself?
23:34 mircea_popescu o you are ? ok then.
23:35 mircea_popescu noobs usually don't figure it out/need prodding.
23:35 herbijudlestoids vexual and bingoboingo told me to go on i tthe other day
23:35 herbijudlestoids i signed up because i do what im told!
23:35 mircea_popescu good for you
23:35 herbijudlestoids but nobody will rate me, so i cant rate bingoboingo as a 10 based on his sexual attractiveness
23:35 mircea_popescu o you know those two drunks ?!
23:36 herbijudlestoids i do not know them specifically except in their capacity as people i also briefly spoke to on this chan :P vex at least lives in same country and likes similar music
23:36 Duffer1 i suspect at least one of his buttcoins is actually him...
23:36 mircea_popescu well... at least i presume vexual drinks. tho it could be any number of things :D
23:37 herbijudlestoids whats the point of being on the WoT? dont i need to transact to get rating? i dont plan on transacting :P
23:37 herbijudlestoids well not soon anyway
23:38 Duffer1 even if you don't transact you're still learning the right habits
23:38 mircea_popescu the point is that if anyone needs to figure out wtf you're up to they know who to ask
23:38 Duffer1 gpg is useful knowledge
23:38 mircea_popescu ie, the people they know that rated you
23:38 herbijudlestoids yeah i knew gpg and stopped using it when they invented OTR
23:38 mircea_popescu otr is a diff usecase.
23:38 herbijudlestoids literally had to create a new key cos i forgot my password
23:39 herbijudlestoids well, it wasnt for me obviously ;)
23:39 mircea_popescu lol
23:39 herbijudlestoids i think i have not signed or encrypted anything with a GPG key in years
23:39 mircea_popescu otr ensures you that your messages can only be read at one point on the network, and that once the conversation is ended anyone could have written it.
23:39 mircea_popescu gpg keeps the content of the conversation secret.
23:40 herbijudlestoids let me explain: i used to conduct various communications using GPG over email. now i use a combination of tails, i2p and pidgin+OTR or i2pmessenger+OTR
23:41 herbijudlestoids thats why i stopped using GPG
23:42 mircea_popescu was i2p strong ? i don't even remember
23:42 herbijudlestoids strong enough for my purposes
23:42 herbijudlestoids i was a user back when it was just iip over irc so i guess iv got a softspot for it
23:43 mircea_popescu o look, they got .i2p
23:43 mircea_popescu hey, did namecoin end up stealing THEIR code ?
23:43 herbijudlestoids what do you mean? afaik .i2p is not a globally resolvable namespace
23:43 herbijudlestoids its just like a hostsfile except called addressbook
23:44 mircea_popescu you know there's a coin that basically does dns
23:44 mircea_popescu sort-of
23:44 herbijudlestoids are you talking of namecoin?
23:44 herbijudlestoids personally i prefer implementations like the GNUnet Name System (GNS)
23:44 mircea_popescu yeah.
23:45 herbijudlestoids but dont have much requirement for globally resolvable namespace in darknets anyway
23:45 herbijudlestoids (personally)
23:45 herbijudlestoids i thought there was some flaw discovered in namecoin that killed adoption
23:45 mircea_popescu not afaik
23:45 kakobrekla you cant kill something that isnt there
23:46 herbijudlestoids http://www.coindesk.com/namecoin-flaw-patch-needed/
23:47 herbijudlestoids is that article incorrect?
23:48 mircea_popescu a, no. it's just more recent than i've been paying attention.
23:48 Apocalyptic it's been resolved since
23:48 mircea_popescu i have more like a 6 months span on stuff that far on the periphery
23:48 herbijudlestoids Apocalyptic: o so patched and all good again?
23:48 Apocalyptic yup
23:48 herbijudlestoids maybe i should convert my 0.02BTC into NMC and buy mpex.bit
23:48 herbijudlestoids just to piss off mircea_popescu
23:49 herbijudlestoids :D
23:49 mircea_popescu lol save it for when you run into teh trilema paywal
23:49 Apocalyptic then sell it for 100btc
23:50 mircea_popescu lol there's going to be the piss-mp-off gem on the fgorum, people buying it from each other on the grounds that any day now it'll piss me off
23:50 Apocalyptic lol, someone registered impex.bit, but mpex.bit is still free
23:51 Duffer1 mpex.bit the latest fuffle
23:52 Apocalyptic get it while it's hot
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00090315 = 13.997 BTC [+] {3}
23:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04998999 = 0.2499 BTC [+]
23:54 herbijudlestoids seems cheap for domains
23:55 herbijudlestoids 0.01NMC, you could register every word in the english dictionary for not much NMC
23:55 herbijudlestoids compared to how much itd cost to get the equivalent .coms
23:55 Duffer1 seems like an interesting way to attack the coin
23:55 Duffer1 buy the dictionary
23:55 mircea_popescu wasn't there some sort of limit in place ?
23:56 Duffer1 oh no idea
23:56 Apocalyptic not afaik mircea_popescu
23:56 Apocalyptic and how would you enforce such a limit ?
23:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999813 = 0.55 BTC [+] {2}
23:57 mircea_popescu Since domains are extremely cheap to obtain with Namecoin, and registered domains cannot be seized (they can only be transferred by their owner), Namecoin has had problems with cybersquatters buying up domains, hoping to resell them later for a profi
23:58 mircea_popescu seems the dictionary's already bought, pretty much.
23:59 Duffer1 that's unfortunate
23:59 Duffer1 i can't imagine how they'd solve that issue
23:59 Duffer1 other than by making domains unrealistically expensive
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