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00:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.005999 = 0.4799 BTC [-]
00:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0045 = 0.351 BTC [-] {2}
00:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599177 = 0.1198 BTC [-] {2}
00:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005999 = 0.168 BTC [+]
00:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11749981 = 0.705 BTC [+] {3}
00:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00599998 = 0.402 BTC [+]
00:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00599998 = 0.498 BTC [+]
00:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599791 = 0.1499 BTC [-] {2}
00:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41765 @ 0.00084361 = 35.2334 BTC [-] {3}
00:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00597729 = 0.7711 BTC [+] {2}
00:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4949 BTC [-]
00:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 499 @ 0.00085104 = 0.4247 BTC [+] {2}
00:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
00:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00084526 = 17.4825 BTC [+] {2}
00:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.0008459 = 3.8032 BTC [+] {2}
00:50	Apocalyptic	http://www.scribd.com/doc/209535200/Business-Plan-MtGox-2014-2017
00:50	ozbot	Business Plan MtGox 2014-2017
00:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084086 = 5.7599 BTC [-]
00:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0059 = 0.8968 BTC [-] {2}
00:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.0059 = 1.0856 BTC [-]
01:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599899 = 0.12 BTC [+]
01:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00599997 = 0.876 BTC [+]
01:20	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438891752079249408
01:20	ozbot	Twitter / CharlieShrem: Can I bet on myself? "Charlie ...
01:20	mircea_popescu	shrem encounters a dilemma.
01:20	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ^
01:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084252 = 22.3268 BTC [+]
01:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful,
01:24	mircea_popescu	specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking.
01:24	mircea_popescu	if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't.
01:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2}
01:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly."
01:26	mircea_popescu	and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ?
01:26	mircea_popescu	i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ?
01:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27004 @ 0.00084414 = 22.7952 BTC [+] {2}
01:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6096 @ 0.00084899 = 5.1754 BTC [+]
01:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00595 = 0.244 BTC [-]
01:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00595 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {2}
01:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
01:53	Apocalyptic	http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/
01:53	ozbot	The Two-Bit Idiot
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00599996 = 0.18 BTC [+]
01:55	Apocalyptic	the last entry published minutes ago sums up the events
01:56	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there.
01:57	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part
02:00	Apocalyptic	also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise
02:00	jurov	Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Manager, Business Development Division
02:00	jurov	..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships
02:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00599997 = 0.246 BTC [+]
02:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 18 @ 0.00599996 = 0.108 BTC [-]
02:03	mircea_popescu	"This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu>may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too."
02:03	mircea_popescu	you're still better off reading -assets.
02:03	Apocalyptic	I'm not arguing that :)
02:03	mircea_popescu	hehe
02:04	mircea_popescu	well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing.
02:04	mircea_popescu	guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent.
02:04	Apocalyptic	he said something about consulting his lawyer first on reddit
02:04	mircea_popescu	yeah because that costs money.
02:05	benkay	twobit whatever?
02:05	mircea_popescu	every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ?
02:06	Apocalyptic	gives some self-importance illusion
02:06	mircea_popescu	i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong.
02:06	jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzbhg/bitstamps_bank_refused_to_open_me_a_bank_account/ i'd like to highlight davout's peformance here instead
02:07	mircea_popescu	say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like.
02:07	mircea_popescu	he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives
02:07	mircea_popescu	and he can't even name a band
02:07	mircea_popescu	but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop
02:07	mircea_popescu	baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop
02:07	mircea_popescu	bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers".
02:08	mircea_popescu	the music rich people listen to.
02:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599996 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
02:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
02:09	benkay	har
02:09	benkay	my lawyer has one job: keep my ass outta trouble.
02:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that.
02:10	copumpkin	benkay: the rest of you is fair game?
02:10	benkay	man fuck twitter
02:10	benkay	such import over 140 characters
02:10	*	copumpkin goes to sleep
02:10	benkay	every derp face crafting their derpy 140 char dropping for the internet
02:10	mircea_popescu	benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research"
02:10	benkay	bah
02:11	benkay	and humbug to boot
02:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0229748 = 0.2297 BTC [-] {4}
02:11	mircea_popescu	i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with
02:11	mircea_popescu	"coffeeinneusseur"
02:11	mircea_popescu	"chief colorist at large"
02:11	benkay	mircea_popescu imma ragequit at you
02:11	davout	good morning!
02:11	mircea_popescu	Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist.
02:12	mircea_popescu	davout hai
02:12	mircea_popescu	basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations.
02:13	mircea_popescu	you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ?
02:13	mircea_popescu	and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ?
02:13	mircea_popescu	really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/
02:16	benkay	hey davout tunes?
02:17	benkay	also who's making odds on when mp hires a twittr troll?
02:17	twizt	lol
02:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive.
02:18	benkay	a fuck it has an e these days
02:18	mircea_popescu	the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin,
02:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
02:18	mircea_popescu	coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points.
02:19	mircea_popescu	and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm
02:19	mircea_popescu	cheaper, faster, safer and overal better.
02:19	mircea_popescu	so i have no idea what gives in there.
02:19	B007	benkay: implying he hasn't hired a troll for irc and twitter already
02:19	benkay	pathologies of the welfare state?
02:19	mircea_popescu	benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head.
02:20	benkay	perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated
02:20	mircea_popescu	they don't have ai that good.
02:20	benkay	there are shortcuts
02:20	benkay	given thread, here are 10 replies. select one.
02:20	mircea_popescu	no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it.
02:20	mircea_popescu	i start sifting the data and spot patters
02:21	mircea_popescu	so far not spotting much tho.
02:21	mircea_popescu	basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous.
02:21	mircea_popescu	i can attack both with the same math.
02:22	benkay	enlighten me, oh sage
02:22	mircea_popescu	well but as to which part ?
02:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589999 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
02:22	benkay	okay, i'm an idiot!
02:22	mircea_popescu	yw.
02:22	benkay	like i'm five
02:22	mircea_popescu	o i thought you had got it lol.
02:23	benkay	no no you see i am actually retarded
02:23	benkay	plus these logs are a thing for posterity
02:23	mircea_popescu	ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums.
02:23	mircea_popescu	you write code to do this.
02:23	benkay	or some subset thereof.
02:23	mircea_popescu	an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using.
02:23	mircea_popescu	side channel attack ? win.
02:24	mircea_popescu	at large volumes, all data generation is key generation.
02:24	benkay	so timing's the obvious side-channel, what others have you looked at?
02:25	mircea_popescu	a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce.
02:25	benkay	and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?!
02:25	mircea_popescu	i'd be surprised if i were the only one.
02:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00595347 = 1.6253 BTC [-] {4}
02:27	benkay	timing's obvious, though. what other axes tend to show patterns in these problem spaces?
02:27	mircea_popescu	well obviously i'm not discussing that.
02:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53156 @ 0.00084693 = 45.0194 BTC [-] {3}
02:27	mircea_popescu	if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D
02:27	benkay	i thought you got out of the consulting game!
02:27	benkay	let a kid joust, mp
02:27	benkay	ain't no harm innit
02:28	mircea_popescu	i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again.
02:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+]
02:31	benkay	hey so i did this talk on lisp tonight
02:31	jurov	"consultant for troll activity data mining"
02:31	benkay	and WHAT DO YOU FUCKING KNOW
02:31	benkay	at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot
02:31	benkay	errybody's all "hey benkay benkay what ams a bitcoin eh?"
02:32	benkay	i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke
02:32	mircea_popescu	benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias.
02:32	mircea_popescu	most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs"
02:32	mircea_popescu	every geek worships devs.
02:33	mircea_popescu	cause you know, in geek space the dev is god.
02:33	benkay	ya well there's a reason there's basically no technical literature on the company site
02:33	mircea_popescu	kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare.
02:34	benkay	uh
02:34	benkay	those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines?
02:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543
02:35	mircea_popescu	the soviets also printed their own usd.
02:35	mircea_popescu	nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied.
02:35	mircea_popescu	benkay i meant culturally not economically.
02:35	mircea_popescu	kinda clear how economy works.
02:36	benkay	i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit'
02:36	mircea_popescu	i am 12 and what is sarcasm ?
02:37	benkay	it's pretty sad man
02:37	mircea_popescu	sadgasm.
02:37	benkay	dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money"
02:37	benkay	me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
02:37	benkay	dudes foot the bill for the whole night
02:37	benkay	none of the nerds are willing to step within ten feet of them
02:37	mircea_popescu	lol.
02:38	benkay	i don't fucking get it
02:38	mircea_popescu	didn't i just say that above re twitter ?
02:38	mircea_popescu	:D
02:38	benkay	i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol
02:39	benkay	climbing el capitan with proto-burners, pre-burning man
02:39	benkay	everyone else is going on about something in python lib 3
02:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less.
02:39	benkay	I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER
02:39	mircea_popescu	does 30k buy me three young sluts ?
02:40	mircea_popescu	benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery.
02:40	benkay	i ain't nobody's anything.
02:40	mircea_popescu	careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy.
02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599997 = 0.24 BTC [+]
02:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599998 = 1.2 BTC [+]
02:41	benkay	everyone knows i'm only peripherally interested in technology as a tool to make shitloads of money.
02:42	benkay	expectations is well-managed.
02:42	benkay	hyphens is well-deployed.
02:42	benkay	my shit is TIGHT.
02:42	benkay	if undercapitalized.
02:42	mircea_popescu	what for, to buy a senator ?
02:43	benkay	to prototype subsea mining drones
02:43	mircea_popescu	and robot nucular subs ?
02:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00549899 = 0.2749 BTC [+] {6}
02:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+]
02:43	benkay	pff subs
02:44	mircea_popescu	subs are cool.
02:44	jurov	benkay IPO it on havelock , like DEEPMINING
02:44	benkay	manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make?
02:44	mircea_popescu	you missed the robot part ?
02:45	mircea_popescu	a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available.
02:45	benkay	fine fine
02:45	jurov	until someone hacks it
02:45	mircea_popescu	it never needs to surface
02:45	benkay	(but for the record robotic does not exclude manned)
02:45	mircea_popescu	and it can communicate on mpex protocol.
02:45	jurov	lol
02:45	mircea_popescu	hehe
02:46	davout	benkay: uploading
02:46	mircea_popescu	anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot.
02:46	mircea_popescu	aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes.
02:46	jurov	LAUNCH|caliber|qty|target
02:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.16230094 = 1.1361 BTC [-]
02:46	mircea_popescu	lolz
02:47	mircea_popescu	benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub.
02:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00599998 = 0.528 BTC [+]
02:47	mircea_popescu	it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish
02:47	mircea_popescu	and it just makes more of itself.
02:48	benkay	kombucha armaments
02:48	mircea_popescu	then one day, they emerge
02:48	mircea_popescu	i think we have a decent sf novel premise here.
02:48	benkay	i thought we agreed "no grey goo"!
02:49	mircea_popescu	nono, these never run amok.
02:49	mircea_popescu	they just disciplinedly reorganise the world.
02:49	B007	i know someone who'll write it
02:49	mircea_popescu	i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin
02:49	mircea_popescu	there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit.
02:49	mircea_popescu	meanwhile, in the depths...
02:49	B007	lol
02:50	mircea_popescu	soon enough the uk falls into the see
02:50	mircea_popescu	sea*
02:50	B007	wot
02:50	mircea_popescu	because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it
02:50	mircea_popescu	because pretty crystals.
02:50	benkay	hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes?
02:50	mircea_popescu	various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is.
02:50	mircea_popescu	the subs care, deeply.
02:50	mircea_popescu	benkay notrly ?
02:51	benkay	single stage to orbit with an air-breathing rocket
02:51	mircea_popescu	o o that. yeah heard of it
02:52	benkay	skylon and nautilus
02:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00084193 = 25.6368 BTC [-] {2}
02:52	benkay	2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust
02:52	mircea_popescu	how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ?
02:53	benkay	with an inflated launch tube duh
02:53	benkay	emerging nearly tangent to the surface
02:54	mircea_popescu	butwait.
02:54	mircea_popescu	nonono.
02:54	benkay	*shooop* exit opens 50ms before nose of vehicle breaches *shoop* closes behind vehicle
02:54	mircea_popescu	the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth
02:54	mircea_popescu	ensures it does not emerge to surface.
02:54	benkay	weight one end so as it hangs down super deep
02:55	mircea_popescu	i think you don't take my meaning. consider :
02:55	mircea_popescu	let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure.
02:55	benkay	also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane?
02:55	mircea_popescu	pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall
02:55	mircea_popescu	Stw defines weight of the entire thing
02:56	mircea_popescu	Wtet defines pI - pE
02:56	benkay	pI = pE, tho
02:56	mircea_popescu	then why's it buoy ?
02:56	benkay	it's not
02:56	benkay	why would it be?
02:56	mircea_popescu	then how does it climb 4 miles ?
02:56	jurov	it can be supported by external buoys
02:56	mircea_popescu	cause you're launching it from the ocean floor.
02:56	benkay	it's an inflated tube, yo
02:56	jurov	but really, what would be filled by?
02:56	mircea_popescu	...
02:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1050 @ 0.00018514 = 0.1944 BTC [+] {2}
02:57	mircea_popescu	you want to make a tube 4 miles long ?
02:57	mircea_popescu	in WATER ?
02:57	benkay	no what i want to do is go fuck my girl
02:57	benkay	peace
02:57	mircea_popescu	good idea.
02:57	mircea_popescu	use your inflatable tube.
02:57	jurov	you'd get, like, supercritical (almost liquid) co2 at that pressure
02:59	jurov	just building 4km high tower would be much easier
02:59	jurov	on the land, i mean
03:03	jurov	and he wonders why devs hate him
03:03	jurov	spouts infeasible idea on them
03:03	jurov	and then goes away like "okay imma fuck"
03:04	mircea_popescu	B007 who'll write it ?
03:04	mircea_popescu	jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him.
03:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599998 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
03:08	B007	mircea_popescu: im not here any more, i left long ago
03:09	mircea_popescu	lolk
03:09	mircea_popescu	so where are you ?
03:09	B007	idk
03:09	B007	my sister likes writing novels
03:09	B007	sci fi
03:09	mircea_popescu	well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here.
03:09	B007	lol k
03:11	B007	in your twitter pic...WHAT IN THE BAG?
03:11	mircea_popescu	chocolate, clothes...
03:12	mircea_popescu	we were either coming from or going to the beach
03:12	davout	;;later tell benkay https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbbwomroz8l51p0/Cellissimo.zip
03:12	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:13	mircea_popescu	what are these gypsy muzaks
03:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1063 = 0.5315 BTC [+]
03:14	davout	nah, some cello assortment
03:14	davout	i start hooking them on the soft stuff before moving on the hardcore, expensive stuff
03:15	mircea_popescu	this sounds familiar.
03:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00084766 = 21.7849 BTC [+]
03:15	B007	you made the SEC hang out on irc - lol
03:15	B007	I have to look at the logs..
03:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10679999 BTC [+]
03:18	mircea_popescu	everyone has to look at the logs all the time
03:18	mircea_popescu	it's the only tenet of the assets faith
03:20	davout	should get printed out and sold like a bitcoin almanach
03:21	B007	only 365 revisions per year!
03:22	davout	i'm sure if you print out the previous year for use in N+1 it'd still be useful to some!
03:22	mircea_popescu	nubsy was doing something like that.
03:22	mircea_popescu	of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw.
03:22	davout	fitting it on thshirts :D
03:22	mircea_popescu	;;later tell nubbins` ^
03:22	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:27	jurov	that would be a tech feat, fitting so much data there
03:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00084798 = 17.4167 BTC [+] {2}
03:27	jurov	but i have an idea, put bash quotes on tshirt as qr codes
03:27	jurov	nubbins, imma get 10% of that
03:28	mircea_popescu	o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log.
03:29	mircea_popescu	the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss
03:30	mircea_popescu	this method vastly overstates it.
03:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084851 = 3.0546 BTC [+]
03:34	davout	i'd be really curious to see some verified numbers
03:34	jurov	using that method they could have easily lost more than total btc in circulation
03:34	jurov	at least something to be remembered for
03:34	mircea_popescu	davout it never was audited.
03:34	mircea_popescu	that part is true.
03:35	InfiniteRadio_	Shirts are great...i put "Justin Bieber stole my girlfriend" on 25 shirts and sold em all for $20 on my campus...although my "I don't care about pizza...i only care about parties" didn't do so hot....broke even though with the biebs
03:35	mircea_popescu	jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall
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03:35	mircea_popescu	they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] {2}
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2}
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
03:35	mircea_popescu	about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012.
03:35	davout	yeah, probably not, would still be curious about the results of some sort of forensic financial audit
03:36	mircea_popescu	InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that /
03:36	jurov	everything is possible with enough fractional "reserve"
03:36	davout	the polish exchange was 17k iirc
03:36	InfiniteRadio_	This was @ OCC back in 11
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06167978 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {2}
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10200002 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2}
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2}
03:36	mircea_popescu	davout at the time they were throwing money around
03:37	davout	pretty much
03:37	mircea_popescu	i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection
03:37	mircea_popescu	you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost)
03:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18022 @ 0.00084603 = 15.2472 BTC [-]
03:39	davout	i'm also kinda wondering whether it'll be a 100% haircut on BTC for everyone, or some lower number
03:40	mircea_popescu	"everyone" ?
03:42	jurov	he prolly means all gox users
03:42	davout	yup
03:42	davout	my account there is empty since 2011
03:44	mircea_popescu	everyone takes a 100% loss.
03:44	mircea_popescu	mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators.
03:44	mircea_popescu	the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue
03:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4965989 = 9.932 BTC [+] {5}
03:44	davout	that, i believe, is one of the most plausible scenarii
03:44	mircea_popescu	and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency.
03:45	davout	oh yeah, i forgot about the trademark
03:45	mircea_popescu	which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex
03:45	mircea_popescu	but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out.
03:45	jurov	u sure no one has trademarked "mircea popescu" ?
03:46	jurov	or "mpex"
03:46	mircea_popescu	you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof.
03:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00084863 = 22.9147 BTC [+] {3}
03:46	davout	i'm not sure the bitcoin trademark is worth that much
03:47	davout	i'm pretty sure the "goxxed" term is worth more xD
03:47	davout	imagine all the goxxed goodies you could make
03:47	mircea_popescu	lol
03:47	davout	thinkgeek would be all over it
03:47	jurov	http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4810:ry2ygn.1.1 go there, search for mpex
03:47	jurov	there's something
03:48	davout	"introducing the goxxed dildo, can get in, but with its spikes, IT CAN'T GET OU!!1"
03:48	jurov	coinbr gets no results \o/
03:49	jurov	"For example, the search term *DOG* ..." lmaooooo
03:50	mircea_popescu	jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations.
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00541111 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {3}
03:51	davout	i don't know how it works in other countries, but in france when you trademark sthg, you must also specify the scope in terms of activity the trademark is to be used in
03:51	jurov	yes, it's there, too
03:51	jurov	however, it remains to consideration whether retardation is "pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious disease"
03:52	mircea_popescu	davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc.
03:52	mircea_popescu	for instance
03:52	davout	good to know!
03:53	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/
03:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599998 = 0.3 BTC [+]
03:55	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/432923293687885824 aaahhh
03:55	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Btw fatso @MagicalTux : recall ...
03:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00599998 = 0.978 BTC [+]
03:56	jurov	so, you have yor bases covered... but if you started developing retardation treatment drops, i'd be concerned a bit :D
03:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599998 = 0.198 BTC [+]
03:57	mircea_popescu	jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name
03:57	mircea_popescu	mebbe i call them... Burnside
03:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00085114 = 16.6423 BTC [+]
03:59	dexX7_	mircea_popescu: did you receive any offering for gox?
03:59	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ hm ?
04:01	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for.
04:01	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
04:01	dexX7_	there are those rumors that multiple investors were contacted to bailout/buy gox etc.
04:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00084967 = 16.4394 BTC [-]
04:10	mark0v	whats the latest conspiracy theory on GOX coins??
04:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
04:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599998 = 0.21 BTC [+]
04:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084915 = 12.7373 BTC [-]
04:13	mircea_popescu	yes, they were/
04:14	jurov	mark0v: just check the twobitidiots blog
04:14	mark0v	doesnt really say where the coins are
04:14	mark0v	i.e. lost cold storage, stolen, etc
04:14	mark0v	no news on where the actual coins are yet...
04:14	mark0v	blockchain is publically auditable, we need the withdrawl logs
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
04:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+]
04:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
04:19	mircea_popescu	mark0v http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#534574
04:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]
04:19	mircea_popescu	you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs.
04:19	mircea_popescu	it's a good idea to read the logs.
04:23	mark0v	mircea_popescu: so, they were speculating with depositors coins and making acquisisions with them?
04:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
04:23	mark0v	at $10/coin... which was stupid because as the price rises, they'd never be able to buy back coins to pay investors back
04:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
04:25	dexX7_	the crisis paper also states a miss of 55 mio usd
04:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00599 = 0.2276 BTC [-]
04:27	mark0v	seems like there was a hack early on, and everything since then has been an attempt to make back coins by speculating
04:27	cazalla	i can't help but hope the coins are gone for the benefit of myself
04:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
04:27	mark0v	lost cold wallet would be best (rather then some theives having it)
04:27	cazalla	yup
04:28	cazalla	i don't own enough so the removal of 750k would at least push me up a notch albeit a small nudge
04:30	jurov	http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329
04:30	ozbot	Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog
04:30	jurov	there's also this from krakens ceo
04:30	dexX7_	is there any publickey to pubkeyhash converter online?
04:30	jurov	if you insist
04:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
04:31	cazalla	jurov: he needs to replace that i know that feel image with http://i.imgur.com/Zt2EIOa.jpg
04:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21720 @ 0.00085125 = 18.4892 BTC [+] {3}
04:41	markov	latest rumor is that Karpeles lost the key to the wallet
04:42	mircea_popescu	markov for a long, long time.
04:43	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents
04:43	mircea_popescu	(this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers")
04:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
04:44	mircea_popescu	part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows
04:44	markov	mircea_popescu: how could he be so stupid to lose the keys???!
04:44	mircea_popescu	part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls.
04:44	mircea_popescu	markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said.
04:44	markov	like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this idiot??
04:44	mircea_popescu	they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011.
04:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00599 = 0.5092 BTC [+]
04:44	dexX7_	ah right
04:45	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis.
04:45	dexX7_	"5.5 mio held by dhs, 5 mio held by coinlab"
04:46	mircea_popescu	afaik coinlab is really in the red.
04:46	mircea_popescu	ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox.
04:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00085312 = 16.4072 BTC [+]
04:46	dexX7_	lol
04:47	markov	whats an0 spec?
04:48	markov	why is bitcoinbuilder > 0 ??
04:48	markov	current rate is 20:1
04:48	dexX7_	"high risk, very high reward"
04:49	mircea_popescu	markov http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
04:49	mircea_popescu	and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website
04:49	markov	it should probably be goxASSETS/goxLIABILITIES which is what account holders will receive during the bankruptcy
04:49	mircea_popescu	anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website
04:49	goxxed	I bought >600 goxbtc during the last hours. I'm convinced it will be one of the best investments of 2014
04:49	mircea_popescu	goxxed what did you pay for it ?
04:49	goxxed	avg 0.08
04:50	markov	mircea_popescu: the same could be about MPex though... 'just some website'
04:50	davout	still quite expensive imo
04:50	mircea_popescu	markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else.
04:50	mircea_popescu	thats why we have the wot and on it goes.
04:50	markov	bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything
04:50	mircea_popescu	discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour
04:51	dexX7_	goxxed: do you expect some kind of miracle where thousands of coins appear out of nowhere?
04:51	mircea_popescu	i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that.
04:51	markov	goxxed: say goodbye to your 50 BTC. you cant be serious!
04:51	mircea_popescu	pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket
04:51	davout	four days ago i'd mebbe have paid 20~30 BTC
04:51	goxxed	interview with bitcoinbuilder founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Wg6Adi3z0
04:51	markov	goxxed must be trolling
04:51	dexX7_	much more fun than lottery
04:51	davout	now. a couple at most
04:51	markov	bitcoinbuilder founder interestingly converted all his btc he made from fees into goxcoins
04:52	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way
04:52	markov	"I had no inside knowledge of the situation at mtgox and am truly shocked at the current state of their affairs. I personally have over 8,000 GOXBTC and $400,000 USD locked in their system, and am still converting all "real" BTC trading fees from the site to GOXBTC, and I will never sell any personal GOXBTC via this site. "
04:52	mircea_popescu	course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story.
04:53	mircea_popescu	markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ?
04:53	mircea_popescu	meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families"
04:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
04:54	markov	mircea_popescu: link?
04:54	dexX7_	faq
04:54	dexX7_	afaik
04:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/25/scho-f25.html you'll love the names.
04:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 850 @ 0.0055 = 4.675 BTC
04:55	markov	mircea_popescu: i despise communism. that website is clearly reporting FUD
04:55	mircea_popescu	markov clearly.
04:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3309 @ 0.00085312 = 2.823 BTC [+]
04:56	markov	its quite a shame that i have nearly 300 goxBTC
04:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00599 = 0.7188 BTC [+]
04:57	markov	i guess ill just gamble on just-dice to make them back
04:57	mircea_popescu	> . <
04:57	dexX7_	sounds like a solid plan
04:58	mircea_popescu	solid like pixiedust.
04:58	jurov	markov i'd rather recommend coinroll
04:58	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhd4HUhCMAAxKQy.jpg:large
04:58	markov	i trust dooglus
04:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.005989 = 2.6112 BTC [-]
04:58	mircea_popescu	teh ukraine is going well.
04:59	markov	is that where you're from mp?
04:59	mircea_popescu	nope.
04:59	jurov	no we're just living near borders
04:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2920 @ 0.00599 = 17.4908 BTC [+] {3}
05:00	jurov	in worst case, we can expect millions of refugees
05:00	markov	bulgaria?
05:01	mircea_popescu	markov timisoara, romania
05:01	jurov	and i'm in slovakia
05:01	markov	l33t. you guys must be one of the few intelligent people left in the eastern european countries
05:01	mircea_popescu	jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it
05:01	mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse
05:01	mircea_popescu	least of all the ukrainians themselves
05:02	jurov	dunno, they're making some preparations here
05:03	jurov	maybe someone really thinks putin will pull it
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 401 @ 0.0055 = 2.2055 BTC
05:03	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhclSE7IQAADU3K.jpg:large
05:03	mircea_popescu	oops
05:03	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/SergeiShoigu/status/438975883597348864 < if anyone cares.
05:03	ozbot	Twitter / SergeiShoigu: Welcome to my official Twitter ...
05:04	markov	robert scoble in toronto>?
05:06	jurov	markov: quite many intelligent people returned from the west, living here is okay for them
05:06	markov	eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud
05:06	jurov	how that relates?
05:07	mircea_popescu	markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english
05:07	jurov	at least our banks have solid e-services
05:07	markov	here be dragons?
05:07	mircea_popescu	yeah.
05:08	mircea_popescu	"people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil!
05:08	markov	jurov: good point, they're probably employed the best exploit guys ;)
05:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00599 = 0.9943 BTC [+]
05:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00085292 = 31.7713 BTC [-] {2}
05:18	mircea_popescu	http://82.99.29.187:443/file/wzbdxg?type=shared-window&item=png
05:19	mircea_popescu	meanwhile teh yuan is moving
05:23	markov	so you guys think karpeles lost keys rather then a hack?
05:24	mircea_popescu	ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband
05:24	mircea_popescu	good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs.
05:24	jurov	markov that does not matter
05:26	jurov	i'm certain karpeles did ask them to help, too
05:26	mircea_popescu	sure.
05:27	mircea_popescu	and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us.
05:27	mircea_popescu	basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose.
05:27	mircea_popescu	it's beyond the fucking pale.
05:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37472 @ 0.00085488 = 32.0341 BTC [+] {3}
05:31	twizt	man i just went on youtube
05:31	twizt	and saw a scientology ad
05:31	ArsKisS	poor you
05:31	twizt	i wonder how much it would cost to promote satanism
05:33	mircea_popescu	some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd
05:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.509 BTC [+]
05:33	mircea_popescu	so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ?
05:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00595002 = 0.1309 BTC [-]
05:34	twizt	lol
05:34	twizt	where do they draw the line
05:34	BingoBoingo	Wait, Roger Ver still has some affiliation with Blockchain.info after his $50 blowup? http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77960201159/roger-ver-denies-any-inappropriate-involvement-with-mt
05:37	mircea_popescu	since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs :
05:37	mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1665537/
05:37	ozbot	dpaste: #1665537
05:37	mircea_popescu	feb 2013/aug 2012
05:37	chetty	"inappropriate" now thats a weaselword
05:38	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to
05:38	mircea_popescu	and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now.
05:39	mircea_popescu	anyway, lettuce have some fun.
05:40	BingoBoingo	Oh, post-Gox Bitcoin is more interesting already
05:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00085569 = 39.319 BTC [+] {3}
05:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50979439 = 1.0196 BTC [+] {2}
05:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1318 BTC [+]
05:46	markov	mircea_popescu: apparely roger ver has 250,000 btc
05:46	mircea_popescu	yaya.
05:46	mircea_popescu	apparently mtgox was the cat's tits,
05:46	mircea_popescu	untill suddenly it wasn't anymore
05:46	mircea_popescu	and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot.
05:48	mircea_popescu	lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic.
05:49	markov	..
05:49	markov	whos kat walsh?
05:50	mircea_popescu	a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade
05:51	mircea_popescu	lucky for them, they never got sued.
05:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+]
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599 = 0.2097 BTC [+]
05:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
05:57	ArsKisS	neobee pretty hot
05:57	ArsKisS	now you can remove the walls, folks
05:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00085043 = 20.0276 BTC [-] {2}
06:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]
06:09	bitcoinpete	howdy from bruxelles!
06:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008533 = 2.3892 BTC [+]
06:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00599 = 1.6473 BTC [+]
06:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
06:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [+]
06:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [+]
06:15	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/
06:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.11437691 = 2.9738 BTC [-] {7}
06:15	ozbot	The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete
06:16	bitcoinpete	I'm just going to leave this here. It's about trust, greed, idealism, and Snake.
06:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.10600342 = 2.5441 BTC [-] {5}
06:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979999 BTC [+]
06:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5098 BTC [+]
06:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299964 = 0.184 BTC [-] {2}
06:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.023 = 0.529 BTC [+]
06:29	the20year1	http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329
06:29	ozbot	Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog
06:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502001 = 1.004 BTC [-] {2}
06:33	jurov	the20year1: i usually search in logs before posting
06:34	jurov	it's there
06:34	mircea_popescu	the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it.
06:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979 BTC [+]
06:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [-]
06:43	mircea_popescu	!t h cbtc
06:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00017103 / 0.00018307 / 0.00018550 (9765 shares, 1.78766772 BTC), 7D: 0.00013001 / 0.000165 / 0.00021250 (284213 shares, 46.89600633 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015242 / 0.00025999 (2435501 shares, 371.21588320 BTC)
06:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00485993 = 0.1458 BTC [+] {2}
06:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00485994 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
06:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10600012 = 0.318 BTC [-]
06:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
06:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00599969 = 0.588 BTC [-]
07:02	ThickerThanThiev	just read thru this gox stuff
07:02	ThickerThanThiev	so basically gox gave all the exhcnage leaders head's up to sell
07:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00596 = 1.2337 BTC [-] {2}
07:03	ThickerThanThiev	aawful
07:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00595066 = 0.1785 BTC [-] {3}
07:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.00598871 = 2.12 BTC [+] {6}
07:05	mircea_popescu	will be fun to watch the unwinding of it.
07:05	mircea_popescu	Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of “mean state infringing on people’s rights”. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi
07:05	mircea_popescu	The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they’ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that’s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning “ideas”. It won’t wash.
07:05	mircea_popescu	stuff from 2012ish
07:05	dexX7_	i bet this 10k sell on bitstamp was related to this
07:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00591045 = 0.5024 BTC [-] {3}
07:07	thickasthieves	my thoughts pretty much too
07:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.005901 = 1.3336 BTC [-] {3}
07:07	thickasthieves	the story of where this reached isn't done, and more than gox will go down for acting on it's insolvency
07:07	thickasthieves	its
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0059 = 0.354 BTC [-]
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167998 = 0.185 BTC [+]
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.023 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
07:08	MisterE	Hmm, just about time to get back in
07:08	ThickAsThieves	also, like, even if you did make sure to sell all your coins first, how could you not leak this info to the public sooner?
07:08	MisterE	ride it back up to 600
07:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00476 = 0.2618 BTC [-] {2}
07:09	ThickAsThieves	secondmarket may be the most exposed
07:09	ThickAsThieves	as it seems they were approached
07:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.0059 = 1.062 BTC [-]
07:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10150001 BTC [-]
07:10	MisterE	whats ths?
07:10	MisterE	sounds scandalous
07:11	dexX7_	were they obligated to leak such info? isn't this stuff kinda confidential?
07:11	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
07:11	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.98, vol: 26161.04056450 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.2, vol: 22395.6107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 19715.43458074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.51, vol: 236.24374416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 571.6896, vol: 8316.85200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.774361582
07:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06167978 = 0.5551 BTC [-]
07:12	ThickAsThieves	i dont know the legality
07:12	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao
07:12	ThickAsThieves	no
07:12	mircea_popescu	what do i do here, play ?
07:12	ThickAsThieves	i mean how gox approached people for a bailout
07:12	mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive"
07:13	ThickAsThieves	i'm talking about off-gox markets
07:13	mircea_popescu	you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go
07:13	mircea_popescu	"hey, mtgox is fucked" ?
07:13	mircea_popescu	that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does.
07:13	ThickAsThieves	like Bitstamp selling 25k btc after Mark walks out the room or such
07:14	mircea_popescu	that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell.
07:14	ThickAsThieves	this also has added greed element
07:14	mircea_popescu	recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ?
07:14	ThickAsThieves	insider trading at its finest
07:14	mircea_popescu	insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ?
07:14	ThickAsThieves	right
07:14	mircea_popescu	people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok"
07:15	mircea_popescu	the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox.
07:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1047 = 0.8376 BTC [+] {5}
07:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086155 = 40.4929 BTC [+] {3}
07:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00476 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2}
07:16	Apocalyptic	what's funnier is some people are so in denial up to the point they're even doubting mtgox is missing coins, at this very moment
07:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.106155 = 1.2739 BTC [+] {3}
07:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
07:17	MisterE	how far up your ass does your head have to be to think that
07:17	Apocalyptic	"but it's speculation, at this point we can't be sure" i don't even...
07:17	mircea_popescu	derp.
07:18	mircea_popescu	welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year.
07:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00086481 = 17.0964 BTC [+] {2}
07:19	dexX7_	the stuff was not only leaked to investors/exchanges, but also to the press. or it was leaked to the press from one of them.. i'm not sure right now where i read it, but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014.
07:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23931 @ 0.00086636 = 20.7329 BTC [+]
07:20	mircea_popescu	maybe find it.
07:21	Apocalyptic	" but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014." it's in the business plan
07:21	ThickAsThieves	the business plan had no juicy info really
07:22	ThickAsThieves	unless something was able to be gleaned from the financial page
07:22	wbaw	it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it
07:22	ThickAsThieves	or, the ones that were interested in the plan were the ones who then unearthed the dirtier truth
07:23	ThickAsThieves	obv you dont buy a mtgox without seeing the coins
07:23	wbaw	well, the plan looks pretty illegal to my uninformed opinion
07:23	mircea_popescu	wbaw http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392
07:23	dexX7_	wall street journal. no paywall: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ytb3o/japans_authorities_decline_to_step_in_on_bitcoin/cfnk8nz -- "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees."
07:23	ThickAsThieves	i'm referring to the business plan
07:23	ThickAsThieves	not the crisis one
07:23	Apocalyptic	<wbaw> it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it // sounds reasonable
07:23	dexX7_	this was before the crisis paper went public
07:24	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere.
07:24	dexX7_	yea
07:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 459 @ 0.00054 = 0.2479 BTC [-]
07:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0008665 = 5.7622 BTC [+] {2}
07:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 244 @ 0.00050209 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {3}
07:25	ThickAsThieves	look china wants to mimic bitcoin http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/what-happens-if-china-widens-the-yuans-trading-band/
07:25	ThickAsThieves	this volatily thing, we like!
07:26	ThickAsThieves	"In the past week, the People’s Bank of China has been trying to inject more two-way volatility into yuan trading by guiding the currency lower, an effort Chinese officials and analysts say is aimed at paving the way for widening the yuan’s trading band sometime this year."
07:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11733289 BTC [+]
07:26	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/more-flexible-yuan-is-low-hanging-fruit-of-financial-reforms/
07:30	mircea_popescu	too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway
07:32	MisterE	man that log archive is handy!
07:32	MisterE	fuckload of good info
07:33	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1665861/plain/)
07:33	mircea_popescu	!b 2
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10150001 = 0.5075 BTC [-]
07:33	ThickAsThieves	this BitcoinPete guy, he new? or is he someone we know with a new name?
07:33	MisterE	he came yesterday
07:34	dexX7_	and the log is against the freenode channel guidelines!
07:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.0008635 = 0.6908 BTC [-]
07:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06176249 = 0.247 BTC [+] {2}
07:34	dexX7_	no logging without warning in the channel topic :p
07:34	MisterE	omg get the #freenode police heh
07:35	ThickAsThieves	isnt it linked in the topic?
07:35	MisterE	yea
07:35	ThickAsThieves	;;topic
07:35	gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading
07:35	ThickAsThieves	derp
07:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.062 = 0.744 BTC [+] {2}
07:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0621 = 0.9936 BTC [+]
07:36	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves he's new-ish
07:37	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies.
07:37	mircea_popescu	the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own
07:37	mircea_popescu	not that the chan itself can't be logged.
07:37	dexX7_	ah
07:37	MisterE	fyi I loge everything
07:37	Duffer1	goodmorning B-A
07:37	mircea_popescu	many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev
07:38	dexX7_	i know
07:38	mircea_popescu	most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies.
07:38	dexX7_	i'm fine with anyway
07:38	mircea_popescu	you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore
07:38	MisterE	I fucking hate text mesaging
07:38	mircea_popescu	MisterE tell me about it
07:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1065 BTC [+]
07:38	ThickAsThieves	oh earlier you made a statement about Hearn & Co being destitute, got link?
07:38	dexX7_	hi duffer
07:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599967 = 0.12 BTC [+]
07:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
07:39	mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrxp0/bitcoin_core_development_falling_behind_warns/ iof you must
07:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00599967 = 0.162 BTC [+]
07:40	ThickAsThieves	"Say what you like about Google, but it isn’t an easy place to get hired at. The entrance interviews are notoriously tough, and it is a highly desired employer – which makes Mike Hearn’s departure all the more notable."
07:40	ThickAsThieves	lulz
07:40	mircea_popescu	derp.
07:41	Apocalyptic	derp²
07:41	mircea_popescu	anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp"
07:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00599967 = 0.84 BTC [+]
07:41	ThickAsThieves	there was a time i really wanted to work there, I poured over job listings for a few weeks and never saw one thing I wanted to do
07:41	mircea_popescu	"now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11"
07:41	mircea_popescu	how about you know, sucking an onion.
07:42	ThickAsThieves	pored
07:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5020002 BTC [-]
07:43	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/scirper
07:43	ozbot	Aer Turris (scirper) on Twitter
07:43	mircea_popescu	how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ?
07:45	usaoscoin	turns out twobitidiot is a crypto insurance seller
07:45	usaoscoin	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2s8k/who_is_2_bit_idiot_why_does_he_get_these/cfpzqaf
07:45	mircea_popescu	usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik.
07:45	ThickAsThieves	"Auroracoin is now featured on http://coinmarketcap.com/ It is in 7th place overall, or 5th place if non-mineale coins are excluded."
07:45	usaoscoin	minion, lol
07:45	ThickAsThieves	how is it that bs can get listed but not ATC...
07:46	ThickAsThieves	i'm no good at this greasing palms thing
07:46	mircea_popescu	well what do you call it ?
07:46	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ?
07:47	ThickAsThieves	well i at least care in that it's representing scams as things with actual value over things that aren't
07:47	ThickAsThieves	look at this shit http://coinmarketcap.com/
07:47	ThickAsThieves	Aururacoin at $45m
07:47	dexX7_	with about 2 mio page views per day x_x
07:47	ThickAsThieves	it's a pre-mined handout coin
07:47	Apocalyptic	lots of kids playing with alts yes
07:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0008635 = 2.5042 BTC [-]
07:47	Duffer1	i'm curious how they're going to hand it out
07:48	Duffer1	mail printed priv keys to everyone in iceland?
07:48	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage.
07:48	mircea_popescu	kids need their rumspringa room.
07:49	dexX7_	Duffer1: as far as i know there is some kind of "claim portal" website
07:49	ThickAsThieves	Duffer1 there is a public list of all Icelanders I believe
07:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00599961 = 0.48 BTC [-]
07:51	ThickAsThieves	maybe this will be the things that teaches them it was a bad idea too
07:51	mircea_popescu	yaright.
07:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-]
07:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599961 = 1.1999 BTC [-]
07:55	dexX7_	http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 ... there was one surprising part: "I have already written to regulators once on the now-closed Silkroad ... That is why more than a handful of countries, and their banking systems, have cautioned against the use of Bitcoin." - if this is true, he seems to have some influence?
07:55	ozbot	SENATOR CALLS FOR BITCOIN BAN - Business Insider
07:56	kakobrekla	oh my
07:56	kakobrekla	http://charlieshrem.com/?p=24
07:56	ozbot	Charlie Shrem | Something’s Not Right On The Mountain of Gox
07:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00549999 = 0.605 BTC [+] {2}
07:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
07:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0059996 = 0.12 BTC [-]
07:58	ThickAsThieves	dexX7_ yeah right
08:03	ThickAsThieves	"There was no evidence that hundreds of thousands of coins were missing when Roger Ver made the so-called “hostage” video six months ago." for reference: http://imgur.com/gHrMX1y
08:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3148 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7298 BTC [+]
08:04	ThickAsThieves	really the dude is in a constant state of nervousness, maybe he did know
08:05	ThickAsThieves	shrem is stupid
08:05	dexX7_	he wanted to buy a lot of goxcoins in the -otc thread
08:05	ThickAsThieves	coins can't be maybe-recoverable
08:05	ThickAsThieves	they are gone
08:05	ThickAsThieves	deal
08:06	kakobrekla	dexX7_ did he? urlpls?
08:06	dexX7_	hmm mom
08:07	mircea_popescu	yeah eyah he was saying so
08:07	mircea_popescu	the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather.
08:07	dexX7_	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5111950#msg5111950
08:07	ozbot	MTGOX <-> BTC BID/ASK
08:08	dexX7_	didn't see the update till now
08:08	dexX7_	but it's telling
08:09	azi`	you guys think there is any chance folks will get their stuff from gox?
08:09	mircea_popescu	no.
08:09	azi`	like some company buing gox and stuff
08:09	mircea_popescu	no.
08:09	kakobrekla	the below reply from reptil guy is golden
08:09	mircea_popescu	o hey reptil stil around ?
08:09	kakobrekla	yes
08:09	kakobrekla	alive a kickin
08:10	kakobrekla	and
08:10	azi`	which one is it
08:10	azi`	sherem?
08:10	mircea_popescu	anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months
08:10	pankkake	why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt?
08:11	dexX7_	azi`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5114894#msg5114894
08:11	azi`	idk, some guys are known for making bad business descisions i suppose
08:11	kakobrekla	i dunno what statement sturles made, but reptil sez he was privileged, sturles says he lost 90%
08:11	mircea_popescu	because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith
08:11	mircea_popescu	and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction.
08:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11241 @ 0.00086715 = 9.7476 BTC [+]
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599958 = 0.198 BTC [-]
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC
08:12	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox"
08:12	dexX7_	but there was already a statement like "japan does not care, because it's btc"
08:12	jurov	btc-e just croaked too?
08:12	mircea_popescu	pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness.
08:12	dexX7_	502
08:12	mircea_popescu	dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much.
08:12	jurov	isee
08:13	Duffer1	what's the extent of Ver's involvement w/ blockchain.info? is it angel investor only or does he have a more active role?
08:13	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request
08:14	mircea_popescu	theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified.
08:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 640 @ 0.000505 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {3}
08:14	Duffer1	interesting
08:14	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0
08:14	ozbot	MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info
08:15	kakobrekla	that one was lulzy
08:15	mircea_popescu	so it was.
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00599958 = 0.342 BTC [-]
08:20	ThickAsThieves	BitcoinPete deleted my comment
08:20	ThickAsThieves	oh well
08:20	mircea_popescu	uh
08:21	mircea_popescu	usure it's not just some approval thingee ?
08:21	ThickAsThieves	i saw it loaded on the page
08:21	ThickAsThieves	but maybe only a local temp thing
08:21	pankkake	wordpress shows it after you post, even if it is waiting for approval
08:21	mircea_popescu	right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears
08:22	pankkake	yes
08:22	ThickAsThieves	word
08:22	pankkake	" Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles will be found dead by the March 20th" lol
08:22	mircea_popescu	da fuck is that
08:22	pankkake	rejected bitbet
08:22	mircea_popescu	scared me for a second
08:22	cazalla	assassination markets here we come
08:23	mircea_popescu	not quite yet.
08:23	pankkake	there's the tor one
08:23	pankkake	doesn't have him yet
08:23	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
08:23	ozbot	BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
08:23	mircea_popescu	this doesn't look so great anymore does it.
08:24	pankkake	mtgox *or* bitstamp
08:24	ThickAsThieves	$10k was a bit high
08:24	mircea_popescu	no i am aware, but even so.
08:24	BingoBoingo	I dunno I think it looks better now
08:24	ThickAsThieves	maybe $3k
08:24	mircea_popescu	btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh.
08:25	dexX7_	30-11-13 20:40 - yes: 57 btc, no: 42 btc ... hehe
08:25	cazalla	wish i got in earlier on http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/
08:26	dexX7_	kinda like "exchangers are faking volume!1"
08:27	ThickAsThieves	hmm the bitbet mod in the comments says any exchange with 1000btc vol will do if others are dead
08:27	ThickAsThieves	seems uncharacteristic of bitbet
08:29	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/
08:29	ThickAsThieves	hehe
08:29	ozbot	WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine
08:30	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:32	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936
08:32	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Yes dears, we know. For a while ...
08:33	ThickAsThieves	forgive me for retweeting every other tweet :)
08:34	mircea_popescu	lol
08:34	ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/438791244345774080
08:34	ozbot	Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @ethereumproject How about DERP?
08:34	mircea_popescu	that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-]
08:34	mircea_popescu	ahaha
08:35	mircea_popescu	meanwhile behind the coca cola courtain, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/kaley_v_united_states_terrible_supreme_court_decision_lets_the_government.html
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599956 = 0.24 BTC [-]
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3575 @ 0.00018499 = 0.6613 BTC [-]
08:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017284 = 1.7284 BTC [-] {9}
08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00086659 = 4.5063 BTC [-] {2}
08:39	mircea_popescu	"why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway."
08:39	ThickAsThieves	“the grand jury is the total captive of the prosecutor who, if he is candid, will concede that he can indict anybody, at any time, for almost anything.”
08:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
08:40	ThickAsThieves	ethereum's slogan: the only limit is your imagination
08:40	ThickAsThieves	lol
08:40	ThickAsThieves	such limitations
08:40	diametric	much freedom
08:41	mircea_popescu	well in their case it is true
08:41	mircea_popescu	of course, this would be the lower bound limit.
08:41	mircea_popescu	the upper bound is about fiddy bux
08:42	ThickAsThieves	i wonder how their raise went
08:42	ThickAsThieves	i cant find it
08:42	dexX7_	didn't happen yet afaik
08:42	ThickAsThieves	they used to have a countdown on the homepage
08:44	mircea_popescu	hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ?
08:44	mircea_popescu	i vaguely recall something around xmas
08:44	mircea_popescu	was it xmas 2015 ?
08:44	dexX7_	yea, but it was removed
08:44	ThickAsThieves	Vitalik said:
08:44	ThickAsThieves	"We are seriously worried that if we offer a small cap then some large investor will simply gobble it up all at once, and then we'll basically have Ripple. Judging by the response we have gotten so far, we realized that it is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that some whale with 200000 BTC sitting around will decide that Ethereum just might be the right coin to throw 10% into, and
08:44	ThickAsThieves	we need to work around such a possibility. If no whales come onboard on such a scale, then we will have a small market cap to start off anyway."
08:44	ThickAsThieves	more delusions
08:44	dexX7_	lol
08:45	mircea_popescu	ahahahaah
08:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'.
08:45	mircea_popescu	you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud.
08:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00590005 = 5.9001 BTC [-] {9}
08:45	jurov	they got delusion mircea might be interested and crapped their pants
08:45	ThickAsThieves	i think he knows
08:46	mircea_popescu	apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain
08:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0008653 = 32.4488 BTC [-]
08:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599894 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00476 = 0.1238 BTC [-]
08:48	ThickAsThieves	btc-e is back btw
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50932853 = 3.5653 BTC [+] {6}
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-]
08:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 266 @ 0.00590015 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {2}
08:52	Duffer1	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/internet-guffaws-at-senators-quixotic-proposal-to-ban-bitcoin/
08:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00483252 = 1.4498 BTC [+] {9}
08:53	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 who signs ?
08:53	Duffer1	?
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00488371 = 2.4419 BTC [+] {4}
08:55	ThickAsThieves	they quote erik and some random
08:55	ThickAsThieves	much funnier retorts were tweeted than thos equoted
08:55	mircea_popescu	if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar
08:55	mircea_popescu	like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos
08:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00591611 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {3}
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00489999 = 0.49 BTC [+] {3}
08:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5099999 = 1.02 BTC [+]
08:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00589999 = 1.062 BTC [-] {2}
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00589999 = 0.4366 BTC [-] {2}
09:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0008653 = 40.1067 BTC [-]
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5099999 = 2.55 BTC [+]
09:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00539122 = 26.9561 BTC [-] {55}
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099999 BTC [+]
09:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+]
09:09	mircea_popescu	so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes.
09:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1002 @ 0.00501789 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {11}
09:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
09:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] {2}
09:11	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.msg5379477#msg5379477 lol
09:11	ozbot	List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses
09:11	pankkake	why even trade those things that are far from tested
09:12	pankkake	why is the first step always to create an altcoin
09:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
09:13	mircea_popescu	ill tell you why
09:13	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-bitcoin-mtgox-japan-idUSBREA1Q0I520140227
09:13	ozbot	Japan says any bitcoin regulation should be international
09:13	mircea_popescu	because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival
09:13	mircea_popescu	because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback
09:14	mircea_popescu	making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact.
09:14	mircea_popescu	this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government
09:14	pankkake	I'm trying to guide my parents out of the distorsion by the way… not working at all :(
09:14	mircea_popescu	of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before.
09:17	pankkake	interestingly, my mother, employed by the government and historically a socialist, is probably less blinded
09:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0047512 = 0.9502 BTC [-]
09:18	chetty	Even the brain dead are starting to notice something is wrong pankkake
09:18	pankkake	it's self delusion, it's a psychological issue mostly
09:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00568196 = 0.2841 BTC [-] {2}
09:22	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, too much cruft in logs to make it worth sorting thru for publishing
09:22	nubbins`	even in bash
09:23	chetty	denial is a stage of grief
09:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11733276 = 0.352 BTC [+]
09:23	nubbins`	jurov, wouldn't you rather your pgp fingerprint printed on a shirt in same-color ink tho? ;D
09:23	mircea_popescu	nubbins` jus messin with ya
09:23	nubbins`	messing with my dreams!
09:24	jurov	nubbins`: that's too dorky even for me
09:24	nubbins`	heh
09:25	jurov	oh, you did the dick surgery tees? i can't find them
09:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00086593 = 13.8895 BTC [+] {2}
09:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC
09:25	nubbins`	yeah, sec
09:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51975 = 1.0395 BTC [+] {2}
09:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00564999 = 0.2203 BTC [-] {2}
09:26	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/mOiUWOS << that's the tester, can't find any pics of actual tees
09:26	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
09:27	jurov	i have urology exam scheduled, but no way that would arrive on time
09:27	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/zRqQ0ls
09:27	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
09:28	nubbins`	urologist would just get real on ya ^
09:28	nubbins`	i think we only have small and medium left anyway
09:29	jurov	wao-ender: you don't want one for gf? :D
09:30	wao-ender	lol
09:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0008635 = 6.5626 BTC [-]
09:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.523 BTC [+]
09:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524699 = 1.5741 BTC [+]
09:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5247 BTC [+]
09:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00493709 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {5}
09:33	davout	such surgery
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167978 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10160001 BTC [-]
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00494731 = 0.4947 BTC [+] {3}
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 618 @ 0.00057075 = 0.3527 BTC [+] {2}
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1016 = 0.2032 BTC [-]
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52479733 = 7.872 BTC [+] {2}
09:35	nubbins`	so cut
09:35	davout	many pain
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00564999 = 0.3164 BTC [+] {2}
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
09:41	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
09:41	gribble	Current Blocks: 288118 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3794274722.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.23937
09:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524999 = 1.575 BTC [+]
09:44	ThickAsThieves	gonna be a another nailbiter http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/
09:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524 = 1.572 BTC [-]
09:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
09:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00581326 = 0.4186 BTC [+] {3}
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00574999 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3}
09:49	chetty	http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-bitcoin-mt-gox-20140227,0,6907789.story#axzz2uWqaE2uJ
09:49	ozbot	Let investors ride out bitcoin's booms and busts - latimes.com
09:49	mircea_popescu	not bad
09:50	kakobrekla	what the shit
09:50	kakobrekla	http://www.auroracoin.org/?
09:50	ozbot	auroracoin
09:51	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it.
09:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11729617 = 1.4076 BTC [-] {4}
09:51	kakobrekla	ah
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00578998 = 0.8106 BTC [+] {3}
09:53	mircea_popescu	http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx530c25bd.jpg << how little do they know
09:54	ThickAsThieves	kako https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/439019328441438208
09:55	kakobrekla	i think you fucked up tat, you should do 100% premine next time.
09:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086684 = 29.5592 BTC [+]
09:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.524999 BTC [+]
09:56	mircea_popescu	can you even do 100% premine ?
09:56	kakobrekla	why not?
09:56	ThickAsThieves	well
09:56	ThickAsThieves	how do you maintain the ledger?
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [-] {3}
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
09:57	kakobrekla	but with network txes ofc
09:57	kakobrekla	you can arbitrarily add those if ya wanna
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00577999 = 0.5086 BTC [-]
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0621 = 0.1242 BTC [+]
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10160001 = 0.2032 BTC [+]
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
09:58	mircea_popescu	still new blocks will have a reward neh ?
09:58	kakobrekla	not if you do a 100% premine
09:58	kakobrekla	:p
09:58	mircea_popescu	but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward
09:58	kakobrekla	until its less than 1 satoshi?
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06246363 = 0.6871 BTC [+] {2}
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-]
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1131 BTC [-]
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
09:59	mircea_popescu	can it even be < 1 satoshi ?
09:59	mircea_popescu	not afaik
09:59	kakobrekla	afaik it goes to 0
09:59	ThickAsThieves	core devs will save us either way
10:00	mircea_popescu	afaik it goes to 1
10:01	pankkake	I think the reward is rounded, and it should end up rounded to zero
10:01	pankkake	not that it will matter
10:01	pankkake	doge will save us anyway
10:01	kakobrekla	atc if not doge
10:01	Jere_Jones	Bitcoin is setup so that the coin generation will go to 0. Rewards will come from transaction fees.
10:01	ThickAsThieves	The Year 3000 Bug
10:01	kakobrekla	and vitalik if not atc
10:01	pankkake	atc goes to zero too
10:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10610101 BTC [-]
10:02	pankkake	but bernankoin doesn't!
10:02	mircea_popescu	i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so
10:03	ThickAsThieves	i s that when core devs learn to read the code?
10:03	jurov	maybe sooner... btc can easily have Y2038 bug
10:03	nubbins`	honestly
10:03	nubbins`	i'm starting a list
10:03	Jere_Jones	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply
10:03	nubbins`	of "graphic designers" who can't be fucked to do their jobs properly
10:04	Jere_Jones	Block 6930000 will have 0 new coins.
10:04	jurov	in 2038 it overflows and starts issuing million btc per block
10:04	jurov	yay
10:04	nubbins`	some guy in a band contacts me to print some CD inserts
10:04	dexX7_	http://live.reuters.com/Event/Janet_Yellens_Congressional_testimony this woman was listed in the letter of the "ban bitcoin senator" ... is this related?
10:04	ozbot	Janet Yellen's Senate Banking Committee Testimony | Reuters.com
10:04	nubbins`	he sends along the whole re:re:re:re:re:re:re: email chain from his designer, where i find out he paid this person $250 to design a couple of shitty inserts
10:04	nubbins`	and they're not even the right size.
10:05	nubbins`	how bad do you have to be at your job to not even bother researching the dimensions of the thing you're making?
10:05	ThickAsThieves	lol nubbins` good luck
10:05	kakobrekla	http://yanukovychleaks.org
10:05	nubbins`	i'm not fixing it, just told him
10:05	ThickAsThieves	gd is the new blue collar derp job
10:05	nubbins`	it really is
10:05	ThickAsThieves	that and "producer"
10:05	nubbins`	he wants to pay a "graphic" "designer" to make something, he can pay them to fix their mistakes
10:06	nubbins`	seriously, the back CD insert is a centimeter and a half too short.
10:06	ThickAsThieves	reflect the adjacent centimeter and send a proof
10:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10610101 = 0.4244 BTC [-] {2}
10:07	ThickAsThieves	or stretch it, even more likely to be approved
10:07	ThickAsThieves	of course your sould will die a little
10:07	ThickAsThieves	soul*
10:07	nubbins`	nah, i'm not being paid to dick with graphics, i'm being paid to print them
10:07	nubbins`	no free lunch
10:07	kakobrekla	lemme slander it for you
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00576 = 0.1728 BTC [-]
10:08	Duffer1	dexX7 not likely
10:10	Duffer1	dexX7 but she is vice chair of the federal reserve so if she mentions bitcoin at all it would likely be interesting
10:10	ThickAsThieves	you'll see yellen's name all over the place she's the new fed chair
10:12	ThickAsThieves	white dove, they call her
10:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00576 = 0.743 BTC [-]
10:12	ThickAsThieves	they also love calling her "dovish"
10:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
10:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00563732 = 0.9809 BTC [-] {10}
10:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? << depends on the exact sense wanted.
10:16	asciilifeform	if the 'seal' is connected to a burglar alarm, and a tripped alarm means a platoon of soldiers showing up in 30 sec., then sure.
10:16	asciilifeform	and even then it's not a sure bet.
10:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52 = 2.08 BTC [-] {2}
10:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00571002 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2}
10:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00553541 = 1.1901 BTC [-] {5}
10:19	mircea_popescu	i don't get it tho
10:19	mircea_popescu	epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything.
10:19	mircea_popescu	either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up.
10:19	mircea_popescu	what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ?
10:19	asciilifeform	the seal is for inspectors. the epoxy is there against the 'owner.'
10:19	mircea_popescu	but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item
10:20	asciilifeform	it is so i need a shoebox full of these phones, rather than 1 or 2, to extract whatever turd may be of interest therein.
10:20	asciilifeform	presumably the whole thing isn't potted
10:20	asciilifeform	there are 'sim' sockets, and antennae
10:20	asciilifeform	and perhaps other connectors
10:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1063 BTC [+]
10:21	mircea_popescu	i guess it'd have to be
10:22	asciilifeform	their open declaration 'this priceless gem must never fall into the hands of the public' is simply begging for it.
10:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11737022 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6988 @ 0.00086592 = 6.051 BTC [-]
10:23	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: potting in epoxy is so very '70s
10:23	asciilifeform	it went out of style, as i understand - because it mostly just annoys people
10:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.516 BTC [-]
10:25	asciilifeform	the Votrax voice synth that unix 'speak' utility was meant for, was, if i recall, potted
10:25	asciilifeform	it was a cheap trick management insisted on, somewhat like modern copyprotection
10:26	asciilifeform	not that it can't be used to some effect - ibm crypto card had potting with a kind of conductive mesh, that when broken would lose SRAM
10:27	asciilifeform	and if i recall, some current anti-personnel mines have the detonator and anti-handling device (gyro) 'potted' in the main charge.
10:28	asciilifeform	main problem is: unless you (owner) personally wrapped the mesh and poured the epoxy, the device is a 'jail not a castle'
10:28	asciilifeform	because you then do not know what is inside.
10:28	asciilifeform	you (on the outside) are in the jail.
10:28	asciilifeform	'are you inside or outside of a klein bottle?'
10:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7749 BTC [+]
10:36	mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does...
10:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26586 @ 0.00086571 = 23.0158 BTC [-] {2}
10:37	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-02-27-Letter-to-Senator-Manchin.pdf
10:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10615005 BTC [-]
10:38	mircea_popescu	(methylene chloride)
10:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'state of the art' is epoxy poured over a widget having bridges made of conductive epoxy, with ordinary epoxy poured over
10:38	asciilifeform	that dissolve together
10:39	mircea_popescu	i guess.
10:39	asciilifeform	this is not a show-stopper, it just means that you need to work at it.
10:39	asciilifeform	(hence shoebox full of identical victims)
10:40	mircea_popescu	if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy...
10:40	mircea_popescu	but anyway.
10:40	asciilifeform	i think their 'hopes' rest with the price tag
10:40	asciilifeform	and controlled supply chain
10:41	mircea_popescu	and for the annals of twitter lolz :
10:41	mircea_popescu	Julian Sanchez @normative · 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
10:41	mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women.
10:41	mircea_popescu	Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate.
10:41	mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean.
10:41	mircea_popescu	Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really.
10:41	mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then.
10:42	mike_c	mircea_popescu: you mind if we crib your screenshots to start a screenshot page on eulorum?
10:43	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/zJ15xMh
10:43	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
10:44	*	nubbins` chuckles
10:46	mircea_popescu	mike_c not rly
10:46	mircea_popescu	course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey...
10:46	mike_c	k. they will be credited to trilema.
10:46	mircea_popescu	apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought
10:46	mike_c	yeah, that is the hope
10:47	mircea_popescu	you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh
10:47	mircea_popescu	i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually.
10:47	mircea_popescu	nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ?
10:47	nubbins`	milkless saqs
10:48	nubbins`	those aren't tits, it's a nutsack with nipples
10:48	mircea_popescu	hm
10:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30711 @ 0.00086563 = 26.5844 BTC [-]
10:49	mircea_popescu	omfg my spam
10:49	mircea_popescu	had special characters
10:49	mircea_popescu	doesn't show in the log
10:49	*	mircea_popescu cries
10:49	nubbins`	noooo
10:50	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how tough it is to compile on linux
10:50	mircea_popescu	not very.
10:51	jurov	depends
10:51	jurov	i gave up
10:51	mircea_popescu	but you all use iphones or w/e
10:51	mircea_popescu	jurov o srsly ? what happened ?
10:51	jurov	segfault and no debug symbols
10:51	jurov	so i embarked on compiling crystalstuff
10:51	jurov	and failed
10:52	nubbins`	which CS?
10:52	nubbins`	i used 2.1 latest snapshot
10:52	jurov	i tried both latest and the revision chetty gave me
10:52	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: TBF most of the trouble i had was related to osx-specific code
10:53	nubbins`	what sort of problems did you run into w/ your compile?
10:53	mircea_popescu	jurov cs failed the compile ?
10:53	jurov	yes. gentoo does have cs 2.0 and it compiles, maybe sometime i'll research by what magic
10:53	nubbins`	i think 2.1 is required
10:53	jurov	i just had enough
10:53	jurov	nubs yes thats the problem
10:53	mircea_popescu	yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface
10:54	mircea_popescu	cause no cs
10:54	jurov	then i noticed cs shipped with eulora 0.0.1 links dorectly to ati proprietary driver
10:54	nubbins`	CS itself requires a bunch of libraries to be installed, but the report produced at the end of ./configure lists what's there and what's not
10:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.54332299 = 6.5199 BTC [+] {6}
10:54	mike_c	i tried a couple different versions of ati drivers but can't stop segfaulting either.
10:55	nubbins`	ah
10:55	nubbins`	this macbook has, i think, nvidia
10:55	jurov	just don't know what to dowith it
10:55	nubbins`	nod
10:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00567999 = 0.284 BTC [-]
10:55	nubbins`	i gave up compiling earlier versions, decided i had a vested interest in getting this to work, buckled down
10:56	chetty	looks like upgrading my development system threw a few curves :(
10:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00498607 = 0.2543 BTC [+] {2}
10:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00559 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3}
10:57	nubbins`	jurov FWIW there's a ton of info out there on random CS compilation issues from older versions, some of it is still relevant
10:58	nubbins`	just a bit of a slog sorting through the error logs etc
10:58	jurov	yes i found some, killed few hours with no avail
10:58	mike_c	we need eulora to run easier to boost ATC prices!
10:58	nubbins`	mike_c: what?!
10:58	*	nubbins` removes osx compilation instructions
10:58	mike_c	haha
10:59	chetty	there is a #crystalspace channel might get some help there
10:59	nubbins`	WAIT FUCK IT'S A WIKI THAT WON'T WORK
10:59	jurov	ok, some other day
10:59	mike_c	luckily i control the database :)
10:59	nubbins`	;D
10:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.00560692 = 1.3008 BTC [-] {6}
10:59	mircea_popescu	so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ?
11:00	nubbins`	pascale runs ubuntu, i might take a stab at it over the weekend
11:00	jurov	just do ldd on the .so, you'll see
11:00	nubbins`	meantime, i need to figure out why my keyboard input doesn't get redirected to the gui
11:01	nubbins`	just shows up in the terminal window from which the gui is launched
11:01	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you on x ?
11:01	nubbins`	yep
11:01	mircea_popescu	this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation
11:01	nubbins`	mouse clicks get picked up
11:01	nubbins`	wait, sorry
11:01	mircea_popescu	any x app can pick the kbd
11:01	nubbins`	i'm not on x
11:01	mircea_popescu	oh
11:01	mircea_popescu	well what are you on ?
11:02	mircea_popescu	o wait you had osx ?
11:02	nubbins`	nod
11:02	mircea_popescu	did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do
11:02	nubbins`	x on osx is called xquartz (gets launched when i run gimp, inkscape, etc)
11:03	nubbins`	but when i run ./psclient from terminal, gui window opens up without the help of xquarts
11:03	nubbins`	*xquartz
11:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.06289989 = 0.7548 BTC [+]
11:03	kakobrekla	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
11:03	ozbot	GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide | World news | theguardian.com
11:04	nubbins`	i know nothing of the internals involved there, tho
11:04	nubbins`	more research needed
11:04	nubbins`	fyi, i'll be buttering you up for more stock warrants if i end up maintaining osx releases ;D
11:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1015 BTC [-]
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00554999 = 0.2109 BTC [-]
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
11:08	bitcoinpete	ahoy
11:08	nubbins`	avast
11:09	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla YES
11:09	mircea_popescu	that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log!
11:10	kakobrekla	lol.
11:10	mircea_popescu	can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ?
11:10	mircea_popescu	rather than whole line failing ?
11:10	mircea_popescu	it's driving me nuts
11:10	kakobrekla	no clue
11:10	kakobrekla	lol
11:10	kakobrekla	ill take a look at some point
11:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5449 = 2.1796 BTC [+]
11:11	bitcoinpete	now I understand why ThickAsThieves was asking about me...
11:11	bitcoinpete	He read my last blog and left a comment because I mentioned Neo
11:11	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/#comments
11:11	ozbot	The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete
11:11	Duffer1	ya saw that hehe
11:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 472 @ 0.00540388 = 2.5506 BTC [-] {10}
11:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00086715 = 25.7544 BTC [+]
11:12	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ?
11:12	kakobrekla	already 4 articles on that blog, not bad
11:12	mircea_popescu	ah i see not.
11:12	kakobrekla	more than i ever produced.
11:13	nubbins`	bitcoinpete lel
11:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00539999 = 0.3726 BTC [-] {2}
11:13	bitcoinpete	Maybe I didn't need to mention Neo… but it's been hyped enough of late. Makes the article seem up with the times.
11:14	mike_c	don't back down!
11:14	mircea_popescu	eh dun sweat it.
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00541017 = 0.2164 BTC [+]
11:15	bitcoinpete	I'm not, I understand the implication I made
11:15	mike_c	that's what comments are for anyway, to debate the post. TaT got his word in.
11:15	mircea_popescu	^
11:15	bitcoinpete	mmhmm
11:18	bitcoinpete	I've got another article in the pipeline about patience
11:18	nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/1616201/quebec-language-police-target-store-owners-facebook-page
11:18	ozbot	Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page - Slashdot
11:19	pankkake	ils sont fous ces québécois
11:20	nubbins`	oui ;(
11:20	nubbins`	j'ai vécu au Québec pour un été
11:21	nubbins`	endroit étrange
11:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1046 BTC [+]
11:21	Apocalyptic	nubbins speak french heh
11:21	Apocalyptic	+s
11:21	nubbins`	i'm canadian
11:21	nubbins`	obv
11:21	nubbins`	you only speak one language?!
11:22	Apocalyptic	I speak 4
11:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00533001 = 0.533 BTC [-] {3}
11:22	nubbins`	and french isn't one of them?
11:22	nubbins`	:0
11:22	Apocalyptic	it is, why ?
11:22	nubbins`	not sure where your "heh" came from :D
11:23	Apocalyptic	was just genuinely surprised
11:23	nubbins`	ah
11:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00533 = 0.8262 BTC [-] {5}
11:23	mike_c	^ bitcoinpete drives down neo stock
11:23	nubbins`	anyway, pankkake might argue that i don't speak "french" at all
11:23	nubbins`	but a bastardized derivation thereof
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.00533 = 1.9188 BTC [-] {4}
11:24	bitcoinpete	mice_c ha! ce n'est pas ma faute!
11:24	mircea_popescu	wait is it french day again ?
11:24	Apocalyptic	seems like it
11:24	nubbins`	non
11:24	bitcoinpete	it is in bruxelles
11:24	nubbins`	ANGLAIS SEULEMENT SVP
11:25	bitcoinpete	my god their french is lovely here
11:25	asciilifeform	re: 'GCHQ intercepted webcam images' << goes great with the well-known fact that most laptop cameras have software-controlled activity lights.
11:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.00533 = 1.8815 BTC [-] {4}
11:25	mircea_popescu	maybe not so well known
11:25	asciilifeform	(this is one of those things that actually costs something, and is in no conceivable case an accident)
11:25	mike_c	http://eyebloc.com/
11:25	ozbot	Eyebloc Webcam Cover - Webcam Blocker as Seen on Shark Tank
11:26	nubbins`	eyebloc prevents your lid from closing
11:26	nubbins`	why not use a sticker?
11:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00533001 = 0.1919 BTC [+] {2}
11:26	asciilifeform	why not open the damn thing up and unplug it
11:26	mike_c	cuz consumerism
11:26	pankkake	so you can remove it, I guess
11:26	nubbins`	open up a macbook? what are you, new? ;(
11:26	asciilifeform	it's virtually always an ordinary usb device with a non-standard plug
11:27	nubbins`	pankkake: piece of tape with a piece of paper in the middle of the sticky side
11:28	nubbins`	AS SEEN ON SHARK TANK
11:28	nubbins`	AS SEEN ON TV
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0053011 = 0.2651 BTC [-] {4}
11:28	nubbins`	do they even have a product? i can't find it amongst all the SHARK TANK logos
11:29	asciilifeform	incidentally, winblows camera trojans are old hat.
11:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00531 = 0.4885 BTC [+]
11:29	mircea_popescu	gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow.
11:30	wao-ender	v0v, that krym politics
11:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 154 @ 0.00531 = 0.8177 BTC [+] {2}
11:30	wao-ender	there will be referendum for autonomy?
11:30	mircea_popescu	ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker,
11:31	mircea_popescu	how much did the author make from rights so far ?
11:31	nubbins`	$20
11:31	mircea_popescu	more
11:31	bitcoinpete	1 million
11:31	mircea_popescu	less
11:31	asciilifeform	1k
11:31	mircea_popescu	more
11:31	nubbins`	50k
11:31	mircea_popescu	right
11:31	nubbins`	cheated ;(
11:31	mircea_popescu	4 questions. smartypants.
11:31	mircea_popescu	awww
11:32	mircea_popescu	fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore
11:32	asciilifeform	i think that's close to the exact sum, in modern usd, that tolkien was paid for his books.
11:32	mike_c	"The cartoon marks a notable moment in the history of the Internet. Once the exclusive domain of government engineers and academics, the Internet was now a subject of discussion in general interest magazines like The New Yorker."
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.0053 = 0.5936 BTC [-]
11:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn
11:32	mike_c	bitcoin is already there i guess
11:33	thestringpuller	why you hatin' on harry potter?
11:33	nubbins`	in bitcoin, nobody knows you're a derp
11:33	thestringpuller	is that really necessary?
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0053 = 0.6625 BTC [-]
11:33	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy.
11:34	benkay	hey thestringpuller i found your new shoes
11:34	benkay	strin
11:34	nubbins`	nothing wrong with pulp
11:34	benkay	http://www.zumiez.com/dc-villain-le-wheat-black-slippers.html
11:34	ozbot	DC Villain LE Wheat & Black Slippers at Zumiez : PDP
11:34	nubbins`	consider that HP inspired a generation of kids to fall in love with books
11:34	nubbins`	that's a net positive
11:34	asciilifeform	i recall reading that H.P. was sort of like mtgox
11:35	asciilifeform	in that it was picked for the 'slot' by media mouthpieces
11:35	mircea_popescu	^
11:35	mircea_popescu	i dunno that it "did" anything
11:35	benkay	hp was great in that it gave pretty 13 year old girls something different to run their mouths about
11:35	mircea_popescu	it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way
11:35	asciilifeform	there is this old custom in the u.s., of 'crowning' some nobody
11:36	mircea_popescu	different than what ?
11:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done
11:36	benkay	lacrosse at our school
11:36	mircea_popescu	rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars.
11:36	benkay	probably mtv elsewhere
11:36	asciilifeform	$1b is never given to a nobody, it is only lent.
11:36	asciilifeform	just like lottery winners
11:36	Apocalyptic	unless it's in bitcoins
11:37	asciilifeform	it eventually comes back to where it must, like water
11:37	benkay	even so, Apocalyptic
11:37	MisterE	http://thingsthatarecheaperthanwhatsapp.tumblr.com/
11:37	ozbot	Things that are cheaper than whatsapp
11:37	bitcoinpete	LHC, whoa
11:38	benkay	i soliloquized on the benefits of the gox coins ending up in the hands of humans who undertsand how coins work instead of gox' or their customers last night
11:38	benkay	went over like a charm
11:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00086839 = 30.3068 BTC [+] {3}
11:38	mike_c	if only gox traded bernankoin those poor souls could be made whole.
11:39	Apocalyptic	benkay, you may have a point
11:39	asciilifeform	MisterE: re: 'things cheaper than' << think about what would happen if the folks with the funny money actually bought 38 million cows or whatnot
11:39	asciilifeform	it's rather like the $MAXINT account on gox
11:40	mike_c	but the cow dealer might not take most of the money in facebook stock like whatsapp did.
11:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0053 = 0.636 BTC [-]
11:40	benkay	Apocalyptic: i'm a bit of a pariah among locals in bitcoin right now due to the glee i exhibited over the past 4 months in their demise. my only consolation is that the derps will turn over, as they do here. it just seems to be slower around here, mostly i think 'cause people lack any sort of hustle in these parts.
11:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation
11:40	kakobrekla	the only thing you can do with that much cow is ipcc extortion
11:40	mircea_popescu	so as to inflate away the property rights acquired
11:41	benkay	Apocalyptic: of course, saying "you don't deserve your coins" yields a quick ticket to the edge of the desert
11:41	asciilifeform	more mundanely, the money would buy perhaps 10,000 cows.
11:41	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8l85yDkWy1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
11:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11334348 = 1.5868 BTC [+]
11:45	benkay	nerds :(
11:45	benkay	"a naked lay-dee!"
11:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0052785 = 1.0557 BTC [-] {2}
11:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00529998 = 0.1855 BTC [+] {3}
11:46	mircea_popescu	mhm.
11:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00086878 = 11.838 BTC [+]
11:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00529998 = 0.265 BTC [+] {2}
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00520686 = 0.755 BTC [-] {3}
11:49	benkay	jurov mircea_popescu you are both right as always about physics stuffs
11:49	benkay	but!
11:49	benkay	actually no buts
11:49	mircea_popescu	lmao
11:49	mircea_popescu	what did i do nao
11:49	benkay	.bait
11:49	ozbot	http://assets.tumblr.com/images/copyright_500.png
11:50	kakobrekla	such asset
11:50	mircea_popescu	what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be
11:50	benkay	"licker of new penises"
11:51	jurov	mircea_popescu: it was the inflatable dick stretching to sea floor
11:51	mircea_popescu	o ic
11:51	mircea_popescu	so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores
11:51	mircea_popescu	ie the camwhores that do voice customer support.
11:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005205 = 0.1562 BTC [-]
11:52	asciilifeform	'phonewalla' (as described in film 'slumdog millionaire')
11:52	Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu I've looked at the code that calculates the max coinbase out and it does indeed calculate a subsidy of 0 for blocks 6930000 and greater. I can explain it line by line if you like.
11:53	mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ?
11:53	Jere_Jones	Yes
11:53	mircea_popescu	well then i give
11:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 938 @ 0.00505339 = 4.7401 BTC [-] {13}
11:53	pankkake	you can already make a block with 0 now
11:54	Jere_Jones	ConnectBlock is the function that verifies a block. It only ensures that the value out of the first transaction is not greater than a calculated value. One would expect 0 to not be greater than.
11:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00495599 = 3.0975 BTC [-] {3}
11:55	jurov	lol mining such blocks would be a good way to rile everyone up
11:55	mircea_popescu	i got nothin'!
11:55	Jere_Jones	That would destroy coins since the fees would disappear.
11:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086493 = 2.9408 BTC [-] {2}
11:57	Jere_Jones	Wow. Extrapolating that to absurd means you could destroy every single bitcoin. The blockchain could have a grand total of 0 satoshis spendable.
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0048884 = 0.831 BTC [-] {7}
11:58	Jere_Jones	I imagine that long before that could happen there would be some code added to ensure the coinbase adds up to the fees in order to prevent that.
11:58	benkay	Jere_Jones: would you link somewhere near this in the source?
11:58	mircea_popescu	it wouldn't be 0,
11:58	mircea_popescu	it'd be current total base
11:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 113 @ 0.00496 = 0.5605 BTC [+] {2}
11:59	Jere_Jones	benkay https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1093
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.49075700 BTC to 3`100 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00518217 = 0.881 BTC [+] {5}
12:00	Jere_Jones	The not greater than check is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1738
12:02	mircea_popescu	>>= is that right bitshift ?
12:02	asciilifeform	yes.
12:02	Jere_Jones	yes. 0 fill bitshift
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.47825643 BTC to 320`663 shares, 461 satoshi per share
12:04	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded.
12:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00517997 = 0.1191 BTC [-] {2}
12:05	jurov	when did it invade eastern europe?
12:06	asciilifeform	jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
12:09	asciilifeform	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mark_in_Arkhangelsk_RU.JPG
12:09	asciilifeform	epic translation fail
12:09	asciilifeform	'English: Mark V female tank in Arkhangelsk'
12:11	benkay	http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/normcore-fashion-trend.html
12:12	mircea_popescu	lol
12:12	pankkake	benkay: burn them all
12:14	mircea_popescu	anyway : janet yellen yields to trilema
12:14	mircea_popescu	"fed has no authority in btc"
12:15	bitcoinpete	boom
12:15	benkay	no but wait she doesn't matter we must consult the forumoracles
12:15	benkay	(buttcoin fumaroles)
12:15	mircea_popescu	yeah right, who is she
12:15	mircea_popescu	hasn't even done an ama or anything.
12:16	benkay	yeah gosh doesn't she know bitcoin is a people power movement?
12:16	benkay	never going to get anywhere with this elitest fiat attitude...
12:16	nubbins`	people power
12:16	bitcoinpete	speaking of the fed, mircea_popescu, I've been looking for that line in the logs about the world having its Zimbabwe moment from 2010-2014 and not even knowing it. That's classic. Do you remember when it was or have a link?
12:16	nubbins`	PPLP
12:17	asciilifeform	in other news, 'flir' camera for the proles. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454119,00.asp
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54489999 = 1.0898 BTC [-]
12:17	nubbins`	ppl(W/T)
12:18	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962
12:18	bitcoinpete	gratzi
12:18	benkay	asciilifeform: my limited intel sez flir's having a hard time
12:18	benkay	ergo consumer devices?
12:19	asciilifeform	$1k longwave IR viewers are old hat
12:19	asciilifeform	plenty of electronics hobbyists own them
12:20	asciilifeform	usually 10x10 pixels or so, but that's enough to find thermal faults
12:20	nubbins`	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/
12:20	nubbins`	lel
12:20	ozbot	WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine
12:20	nubbins`	i think she meant to say "that purports to be from our staff", but w/e
12:21	nubbins`	also, -1 for tip address at bottom of article
12:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936
12:21	nubbins`	haha
12:21	mircea_popescu	the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold.
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00500239 = 0.2101 BTC [-] {2}
12:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00490005 = 0.1666 BTC [-] {2}
12:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5449 = 1.0898 BTC [+]
12:24	Korbman	anybody from the US get a call from the SEC today / recently?
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12:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]
12:26	kakobrekla	arent you from HL?
12:26	Korbman	on HL, yes, but it wasn't about me they wanted to talk about
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00476002 = 0.476 BTC [-]
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135022 = 0.1227 BTC [-]
12:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086792 = 4.7736 BTC [+] {2}
12:27	Duffer1	ukyo/burnside?
12:28	Korbman	SatoshiDice and MPEx
12:28	Duffer1	fascinating
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5478 BTC [+]
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135021 = 0.1227 BTC [-] {2}
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 164 @ 0.00476003 = 0.7806 BTC [+]
12:28	nubbins`	huh. interesting!
12:28	Korbman	indeed, and surprising
12:28	Apocalyptic	huh indeed
12:28	Duffer1	vorhees and popescu then
12:29	Apocalyptic	next thing we know they're coming to Timisoara
12:29	nubbins`	twist: they're hosting the conference
12:29	mike_c	what did they want to know?
12:29	Apocalyptic	haha nubbins`
12:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06135 = 0.3681 BTC [-]
12:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+]
12:29	Duffer1	probably if they had US customers/investors
12:29	*	nubbins` pops corn
12:30	Korbman	they were wondering if I held any shares of Dice on MPEx, who any PT operators were, and if I received payments (dividends)
12:30	Korbman	Duffer1: my thoughts exactly
12:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+]
12:31	Duffer1	they're in for an unpleasant time if they thing their cock size will impress Mircea lol
12:31	Duffer1	think*
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06055006 = 0.1817 BTC [-] {2}
12:31	mike_c	did they seem to be aware that dice is no longer listed?
12:32	Duffer1	did they ask you not to mention anything Korbman?
12:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.548333 = 1.645 BTC [+] {2}
12:33	nubbins`	Duffer1, SEC lurks here, so i hope not
12:33	Korbman	mike_c: seemed that way, but they didn't divulge much on what's going on
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06005444 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {4}
12:33	Korbman	Duffer1: there wasn't any explicit indication that it was to be private
12:33	Duffer1	i see
12:34	Korbman	or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P
12:34	Apocalyptic	good answer
12:34	*	nubbins` divests
12:35	Duffer1	welcome SEC, say hello
12:35	nubbins`	Duffer1: cock size, maybe not. extradition order, maybe so.
12:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00086831 = 23.2707 BTC [+] {2}
12:35	deadweasel	lol, how do you think romania would respond to such?
12:35	nubbins`	http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/three-members-of-international-cyber-fraud-ring-extradited-from-romania-to-the-united-states
12:35	ozbot	FBI — Three Members of International Cyber Fraud Ring Extradited from Romania to the United States
12:35	nubbins`	^ that's how
12:35	deadweasel	well shit
12:36	Apocalyptic	one mircea is among them
12:36	nubbins`	last name
12:36	BingoBoingo	Eh, There's always Somalia
12:36	Apocalyptic	true
12:36	mircea_popescu	nubbins` derp.
12:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499 BTC [+]
12:36	nubbins`	hey, all i do is opine and link
12:37	nubbins`	"The Bucharest Appeals Court ordered the extraditions of Mircea, Pieptea, and Simion on February 2, 2013. The defendants were subsequently transported to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned on March 27, 2013."
12:37	mircea_popescu	aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ?
12:37	nubbins`	seems so
12:37	mircea_popescu	ya they were
12:37	mircea_popescu	As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th
12:37	mircea_popescu	e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships.
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05844999 = 1.169 BTC [-] {8}
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5499775 = 4.3998 BTC [+] {2}
12:39	nubbins`	anyway, point is that if the usa wants to extradite someone from a foreign country and provides even a tenuous reason for doing so, there's no reason to think said country won't comply
12:39	asciilifeform	so much for sovereignty?
12:39	nubbins`	hm, would the verb be "intradite" in that sense? is that even a word?
12:39	nubbins`	asciilifeform, what are you, new?
12:39	nubbins`	;(
12:39	mircea_popescu	it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory.
12:39	asciilifeform	although it is possible that Ro gave them up voluntarily
12:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol
12:40	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: they extradited a canadian national a couple of years ago who mailed marijuana seeds from canada to the usa
12:40	Duffer1	what circumstances would allow for an extradition
12:40	nubbins`	that's hardly even a crime here. previous record for harshest punishment was a $200 fine.
12:40	KRS-One	o7 sturles teh goxcoin billionaire
12:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` that may be canada's problem
12:41	mircea_popescu	fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really
12:41	benkay	aight davout you got another?
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00500997 = 0.501 BTC [-] {4}
12:41	nubbins`	may be your problem soon enough
12:41	nubbins`	but like i said, all i do is opine and link :)
12:41	mircea_popescu	sure, why not.
12:41	mircea_popescu	i'
12:42	mircea_popescu	ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it.
12:42	nubbins`	gives you an excuse to wear a suit
12:42	nubbins`	;D
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.53915 = 3.2349 BTC [-] {2}
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00493101 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {6}
12:42	mircea_popescu	and publicly humiliate people.
12:42	mircea_popescu	supposedly i'm good at that.
12:43	nubbins`	"your honor, the prosecution cannot bear the continued humiliation, and therefore withdraws all charges"
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54998 = 1.6499 BTC [+]
12:44	mircea_popescu	now that'd suck.
12:44	mircea_popescu	you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise.
12:44	nubbins`	well yeah, nothing would get resolved!
12:44	mircea_popescu	"your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree"
12:44	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/RtCUqDy
12:44	ozbot	Woman in Scotland fills out the wrong form on TripAdvisor. Is now ranked 87 o
12:45	chatquack	Is https://bitbook.biz/ dead? :(
12:45	Duffer1	never heard of it
12:45	chatquack	...sports betting site...
12:45	chatquack	Was, anyway...
12:45	BingoBoingo	chatquack: Maybe, official story is prolongued DDoS, wouldn't be their first
12:46	chatquack	Ahhh ok!
12:46	mircea_popescu	anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it.
12:46	chatquack	I wanted to see how that tennis match turned out.
12:46	mircea_popescu	not a negotiable thing.
12:46	BingoBoingo	chatquack: Not very confident in them going forward.
12:47	chatquack	That makes me a sad panda.
12:47	mircea_popescu	got a lot there ?
12:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00526587 = 0.3317 BTC [+] {6}
12:47	chatquack	Naw... Just a few cents
12:47	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPnBs5TwD4
12:47	ozbot	Performance By Chesty La Rue and Chow Mein From Harlettes Monster Mash 7 - YouTube
12:47	mircea_popescu	amateurz/noobz/lulz
12:48	mircea_popescu	o and boobz.
12:48	chatquack	Ha! Monster mash
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.0050076 = 0.4206 BTC [-] {3}
12:48	chatquack	Is she drinking gin?
12:49	mircea_popescu	water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember.
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54998 BTC [+]
12:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38507 @ 0.00086347 = 33.2496 BTC [-] {2}
12:49	chatquack	mmmmmm ta ta's
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00515335 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {6}
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.54999861 = 4.95 BTC [+] {4}
12:50	chatquack	oh, looks like a jager bottle
12:53	Duffer1	i look forward to the SEC comedy hour, have they set a date/time MP?
12:53	ThickAsThieves	so SEC probly pursuing Erik
12:53	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 next week sometime.
12:54	mircea_popescu	and i set the dates.
12:54	Duffer1	^.^ i hope i'm awake for it
12:54	kakobrekla	tat or MP, but we will see that if and when SEC joins the chan
12:54	Duffer1	why Erik though s.dice was sold
12:54	Apocalyptic	would definitely be popcorn time
12:54	nubbins`	ugh, someone was chewing bubble gum the other day and it reminded me of Jager bombs
12:54	nubbins`	almost threw up
12:55	chatquack	ugh
12:55	ThickAsThieves	maybe because/how/whether SDICE was sold
12:56	mircea_popescu	myeah.
12:56	kakobrekla	but the proceeds ended up on gox, so there.
12:56	Duffer1	did blockchain buy it or is that a partnership?
12:56	mircea_popescu	lol
12:56	Duffer1	ver has shilled for gox before..
12:56	mircea_popescu	poor sec people tbh.
12:57	mircea_popescu	i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning,
12:57	asciilifeform	incidentally, now might be a good time to learn that russian passport can (if certain laws currently under consideration pass) be had for about 300K usd.
12:57	mircea_popescu	before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't,
12:58	mircea_popescu	now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems
12:58	mircea_popescu	being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in.
12:58	dexX7	now is the time to tell. were you the unknown buyer of sd? ;)
12:58	mircea_popescu	nah.
12:59	mircea_popescu	what, that was actually a thing ?
12:59	dexX7	"nah i won't tell" or "nah, i was not"?
12:59	mircea_popescu	i'd have announced it if i was.
12:59	mircea_popescu	nah i was not.
12:59	Duffer1	that's part of my question yesterday, can there physically exist a bureaucracy capable of "regulating" bitcoin?
12:59	dexX7	well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly
12:59	mircea_popescu	someone srsly thought i was ?
12:59	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine
12:59	Duffer1	i can't imagine the amount of resources it would take
12:59	mircea_popescu	by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on.
13:00	Duffer1	but even then if the miners disagree with that group...
13:00	mircea_popescu	that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on"
13:00	mircea_popescu	miners can;t disagree with that.
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00528657 = 0.1163 BTC [+] {5}
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00519014 = 0.3166 BTC [+] {2}
13:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61537 @ 0.00086294 = 53.1027 BTC [-] {3}
13:01	ThickAsThieves	<dexX7> well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly /// was a guess between me and Occam
13:01	ThickAsThieves	although Occam forgot to tell me an even more likely buyer was Erik
13:01	Duffer1	so are they going to offer you a job then MP?
13:02	mircea_popescu	how are they in the position to offer me a job ?!
13:02	diametric	haha some idiot bought USD$5,000 worth of Goxbtc yesterday morning
13:02	mircea_popescu	what do i get paid in, usg stock ?
13:02	ThickAsThieves	King of US
13:02	dexX7	as self proclaimed regulator of teh bitcoins
13:02	Duffer1	from their perspective they might believe they are i mean
13:02	mircea_popescu	but i dun wanna be king of us.
13:02	ThickAsThieves	Kinf of the Werld?
13:02	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working
13:02	ThickAsThieves	g
13:03	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem.
13:03	ThickAsThieves	well you want somnthing
13:03	mircea_popescu	that's the catch lol
13:03	mircea_popescu	i don't.
13:03	ThickAsThieves	when'd your funeral?
13:03	mircea_popescu	hm ?
13:03	ThickAsThieves	lame joke, ignore
13:04	mircea_popescu	ya but what does it mean
13:04	ThickAsThieves	nothing to live for
13:04	ThickAsThieves	kill urself
13:04	ThickAsThieves	when is funeral
13:04	ThickAsThieves	you already beat the game
13:04	ThickAsThieves	now do hard mode
13:04	mircea_popescu	lol
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00529 = 0.291 BTC [+]
13:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086849 = 13.4616 BTC [+] {2}
13:05	mircea_popescu	what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl
13:05	mircea_popescu	just a lot moar zen.
13:05	mircea_popescu	but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ?
13:06	mircea_popescu	cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see
13:06	mircea_popescu	"your honor, may i just say derp"
13:06	ThickAsThieves	no fun hunting dudes out of the spotlight
13:06	ThickAsThieves	they are headhunting bitcoin jesuses first
13:07	mircea_popescu	oic.
13:08	ThickAsThieves	maybe a bitbet "Bitcoin Apostles Sacrificed" At least 12 Bitcoin Talking Heads Get Charged in 2014
13:08	Duffer1	SEC if you're here there's a guy named Ken Slaughter operating somewhere in the U.S. midwest in desperate need of your attentions
13:08	asciilifeform	wake me up for the televised impalements.
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [-]
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02056011 = 0.2056 BTC [-] {7}
13:09	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do
13:09	Duffer1	indeed
13:10	mircea_popescu	not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e
13:10	mircea_popescu	and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline
13:11	asciilifeform	lol
13:11	mircea_popescu	so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit.
13:13	Duffer1	I wonder if they need a consultant, I accept bitcoin
13:13	Duffer1	and lambos
13:13	ThickAsThieves	theyll have lambos to unload after they get through all the exchanges i guess
13:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00086904 = 47.0585 BTC [+] {3}
13:15	Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.0
13:15	ozbot	Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others
13:15	nubbins`	i guess he wrote that in a text editor and then pasted it, hey?
13:17	diametric	more of this guy
13:17	diametric	we should try to convince him we're all popescu
13:18	diametric	this channel is nothing but popescu, all day, errday.
13:18	mircea_popescu	it isn't ?
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00492006 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
13:18	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.msg5409053#msg5409053
13:18	mircea_popescu	lmao
13:18	ozbot	Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others
13:18	mircea_popescu	for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011
13:19	mircea_popescu	also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow
13:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00492005 = 0.492 BTC [-] {6}
13:19	mircea_popescu	ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck
13:19	mircea_popescu	but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff
13:19	mircea_popescu	am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ?
13:20	Duffer1	sorry i've only been around since july ish
13:21	mircea_popescu	this is 2010-2011 stuffd
13:21	mircea_popescu	so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus.
13:21	mircea_popescu	he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio
13:21	mircea_popescu	studio as in, apartment.
13:21	mircea_popescu	together with his mentally retarded boyfriend
13:21	mircea_popescu	mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode
13:22	mircea_popescu	just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards.
13:22	mircea_popescu	that show was called the bitcoin show.
13:22	mircea_popescu	and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin
13:22	mircea_popescu	which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something.
13:22	mircea_popescu	http://buttcoin.org/the-fucked-up-people-of-bitcoin-and-bruce-wagners-predictable-thoughts-on-rape
13:22	ozbot	The fucked up people of bitcoin and Bruce Wagner's (predictable) thoughts on rape. - Buttcoin - The
13:23	mircea_popescu	butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama.
13:23	asciilifeform	so, where's that coin now?
13:23	mircea_popescu	well... possibly in thailand.
13:23	asciilifeform	if unspent, sort of speaks against the 'no such thing as taint' hypothesis
13:23	kakobrekla	it ended up on gox
13:23	mircea_popescu	the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand
13:23	mircea_popescu	because child prostitutes are cheap there
13:24	mircea_popescu	it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot.
13:24	mircea_popescu	obviously nobody went, but still.
13:24	kakobrekla	yes that show was as terrible as it gets, sponsored by mtgox.
13:24	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it
13:24	kakobrekla	yes
13:24	mircea_popescu	yeah it's now coming back to me
13:25	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I << sample.
13:25	ozbot	The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube
13:26	mircea_popescu	anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york
13:26	mircea_popescu	the shop went under.
13:26	mircea_popescu	it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that
13:27	kakobrekla	aha tradehill also sponsored them
13:27	kakobrekla	at least the linked ep.
13:28	kakobrekla	i guess gox gave up by ep 12
13:28	asciilifeform	reminds me of an incident, many years ago, when i snarfed what what supposed to be a warez copy of a text on the programming language 'ruby'. turned out to be renamed 'ruby.avi', a cheap porn, entitled 'Ruby Breaks her Sybian.'
13:28	mircea_popescu	carpevm ahahaha
13:29	mircea_popescu	jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic
13:29	mircea_popescu	mezegrill that was it yea
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086263 = 26.9141 BTC [-] {2}
13:30	kakobrekla	o fuck me
13:30	mircea_popescu	noty
13:30	kakobrekla	i checked ep 1, no gox, ep 31, gox is sponsor
13:31	mircea_popescu	lol true professionals, tradehill.
13:31	kakobrekla	they sponsored him after they saw how shitty it is.
13:31	mircea_popescu	ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing
13:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1035 = 0.414 BTC [-]
13:31	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit
13:31	kakobrekla	:D
13:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086262 = 15.7428 BTC [-]
13:34	benkay	retail shops only start taking bitcoin when they're already circling the drain.
13:35	benkay	same story with the local 'bitcoin meetup' and its location.
13:35	nubbins`	KofC?
13:35	benkay	nubbins`: wat
13:36	mircea_popescu	benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure
13:36	nubbins`	knights of columbus
13:36	mircea_popescu	2,111 views check that shit out.
13:36	nubbins`	like the legion, but different somehow
13:37	mircea_popescu	anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be
13:40	mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?"
13:40	mircea_popescu	ahaha
13:40	mircea_popescu	i kinda miss the old days
13:41	mircea_popescu	yayaya!
13:41	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/
13:42	mircea_popescu	their last show is the shtylman show!
13:42	kakobrekla	o roman
13:42	ThickAsThieves	REMINDER: AM1, AM100, and the SMG passthrough will all be controlled by Havelock by March 1st, 2014. The underlying ASICMINER shares are already in the process of being transferred to 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd --- AMFund@havelockinvestments.com --- All AM1,AM100, and SMG(PT) transfer requests and related support requests should be sent to the Havelock from now on.
13:42	mircea_popescu	(for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster)
13:42	mircea_popescu	worth a read.
13:42	nubbins`	so a friend of mine works at a pharmacy
13:42	nubbins`	there's a big shortage of ritalin in canada right now
13:43	nubbins`	friend says work is "interesting" these days
13:43	mircea_popescu	aha ?
13:44	nubbins`	lots of strung-out freaks causing trouble
13:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00504999 = 0.1313 BTC [+]
13:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00018494 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {4}
13:44	nubbins`	apparently certain brands are better than others for snorting
13:44	mircea_popescu	people use ritalin as cocaine />
13:45	nubbins`	yyyyyyyup.
13:45	mircea_popescu	but... why
13:45	mircea_popescu	"Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long."
13:45	mircea_popescu	ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ?
13:46	mircea_popescu	is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ?
13:46	nubbins`	guy definitely thinks monsters lurk in the shadows
13:46	nubbins`	regarding the "why" of snorting rits, it's because they're cheap as fuck
13:46	mircea_popescu	but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested
13:46	mircea_popescu	or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long
13:46	ThickAsThieves	he thinks youre thermos too
13:46	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos.
13:46	nubbins`	ritalin is one of the most abused prescription drugs in north america
13:47	mircea_popescu	nubbins` but it doesn't do anything
13:47	nubbins`	...?
13:47	mircea_popescu	what the fuck does it do ?
13:47	nubbins`	it lights you up like a fucking christmas tree.
13:47	mircea_popescu	isn't it a depressant /
13:47	nubbins`	no, it's a stimulant
13:47	mircea_popescu	wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?!
13:48	nubbins`	calms kids down because it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them sit still
13:48	ThickAsThieves	it's how they do
13:48	ThickAsThieves	give hyper kids cocaine
13:48	nubbins`	when you snort it, tho, it makes lasers shoot out your eyes
13:48	mircea_popescu	uh
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00500104 = 0.3101 BTC [-] {3}
13:48	nubbins`	well. i should say, it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them pay attention
13:49	mircea_popescu	o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine
13:49	nubbins`	nod
13:49	asciilifeform	https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=crtvw&reqid=1775455900212504529
13:49	ozbot	CID 4158 Conformer
13:49	asciilifeform	vs
13:49	asciilifeform	https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=status&reqid=92713312008789119
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500104 = 0.2 BTC [-]
13:50	mircea_popescu	so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument.
13:50	asciilifeform	just about any fast-acting dopamine reuptake inhibitor can substitute for cocaine
13:50	mircea_popescu	i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go.
13:51	mircea_popescu	basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first.
13:51	ThickAsThieves	oh snap!
13:51	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/
13:51	ozbot	Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-]
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.005001 = 6.5013 BTC [-]
13:51	mircea_popescu	"Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. "
13:51	mircea_popescu	perfect.
13:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D
13:52	ThickAsThieves	oh sorry
13:52	nubbins`	certain brands of ritalin are apparently better for snorting than others; the tell-tale sign of abuse is when a customer at the pharmacy asks what brand of ritalin they carry
13:52	ThickAsThieves	htought there's be more hype
13:52	nubbins`	occasionally, but not often, it's accompanied by a story about how such-and-such a brand gives them a rash, etc
13:52	asciilifeform	somebody teach these folks to dissolve & recrystallize.
13:52	ThickAsThieves	fuck is wrong with my brain
13:52	ThickAsThieves	i type like i have wires crossed
13:52	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves try ritalin
13:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.51493367 = 23.172 BTC [-] {14}
13:52	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform too much like work.
13:52	mircea_popescu	wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security."
13:53	nubbins`	^ lel
13:53	nubbins`	ikr?
13:53	ThickAsThieves	it wasnt me!
13:53	mircea_popescu	lmao
13:53	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone.
13:53	asciilifeform	phun phact: in the late '80s-early '90s, ussr had a meth problem - but most of the users brewed their own
13:53	nubbins`	smear campaign from topace
13:53	asciilifeform	because people had actual education
13:53	nubbins`	;p
13:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 176 @ 0.00057298 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
13:53	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem
13:53	ThickAsThieves	how do you put a shareholder in a security anyway?
13:53	mircea_popescu	because they don't.
13:53	nubbins`	mp, +1
13:54	nubbins`	what this boils down to is that a well-educated populace is a populace that abuses high quality drugs
13:54	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt)
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13:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-]
13:55	asciilifeform	'Lowest Pilotage' (pun on russian expression 'highest pilotage', meaning a trick performed by a true master of some craft)
13:55	mircea_popescu	i think i was at some performance of this thing
13:56	asciilifeform	performance?!
13:56	mircea_popescu	yaya.
13:56	mircea_popescu	this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003
13:56	mircea_popescu	in romania
13:56	mircea_popescu	you know how middle class bitches get
13:56	mircea_popescu	all cultural and whatnot.
13:57	asciilifeform	cultural!?
13:57	asciilifeform	woah
13:57	mircea_popescu	totally.
13:57	BingoBoingo	http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html
13:57	ozbot	The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Purpocylpse
13:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086663 = 17.3326 BTC [+]
13:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
13:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00500103 = 1.2353 BTC [+] {2}
14:00	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there.
14:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00086866 = 24.6699 BTC [+]
14:01	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Indeed. However now will the ratchets get their crunk on.
14:01	ThickAsThieves	who's fawn in here moiety?
14:02	Duffer1	he talks like mircea
14:03	mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_1.html
14:03	ozbot	The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income
14:03	mircea_popescu	probably worth a read since we're on it
14:04	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ?
14:04	ThickAsThieves	i could swear i saw her handle switch from Fawn once
14:04	ThickAsThieves	but my brain is glitchy
14:05	Duffer1	"This is why you can't have nice things. Ever." maybe PR? lol
14:05	ThickAsThieves	fawn is someone posting lately in threads relevent to us
14:05	mircea_popescu	what is this sorcery
14:06	ThickAsThieves	thats what i'm trying to suss
14:06	Duffer1	the person you linked with the Rarities ref
14:06	BingoBoingo	http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2013/10/somabots-transform.html
14:06	ozbot	The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM
14:06	mircea_popescu	Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They aren’t meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because you’ll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough.
14:07	mircea_popescu	loller
14:07	ThickAsThieves	dick
14:08	mircea_popescu	it is what it is, innit ?
14:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.005 = 1.605 BTC [-]
14:10	nubbins`	it's true, cough syrups should taste like goat anus
14:10	ThickAsThieves	i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again
14:11	nubbins`	phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better
14:11	mircea_popescu	"One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? "
14:11	mircea_popescu	actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s
14:11	mircea_popescu	it actually cured her.
14:13	thestringpuller	lol bitcoin-assets on sizzurp
14:13	thestringpuller	benkay got dat drink in his cup
14:17	ThickAsThieves	anyone can help me with syntax for pympex to transfer shares?
14:18	mircea_popescu	PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100
14:18	ThickAsThieves	thx
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 371 @ 0.005 = 1.855 BTC [-] {2}
14:20	ThickAsThieves	nope
14:21	ThickAsThieves	unknown coman 'oush'
14:21	ThickAsThieves	push
14:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-]
14:23	ThickAsThieves	hmm i see a 'plain' command for sending strings as is
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500102 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
14:25	nubbins`	better test it first ;D
14:25	ThickAsThieves	didnt work
14:25	ThickAsThieves	i'll get my friend to help i guess
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00501 = 2.004 BTC [+]
14:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00501 = 0.1002 BTC [+]
14:29	jurov	ThickAsThieves: it should be uppercase
14:29	ThickAsThieves	nope
14:29	ThickAsThieves	mpex PUSH
14:30	ThickAsThieves	uknown command
14:30	jurov	can you show whole commandline (with redacted data if needed)
14:30	jurov	?
14:33	ThickAsThieves	normally the syntax is such
14:33	ThickAsThieves	mpex stat
14:33	ThickAsThieves	mpex withdraw addy amount
14:33	ThickAsThieves	etc
14:33	ThickAsThieves	just spaces between parameters
14:33	jurov	NOPE
14:33	ThickAsThieves	maybe i'm not using pympex?
14:34	ThickAsThieves	it's a linux console
14:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00086179 = 34.9154 BTC [-] {3}
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
14:34	ThickAsThieves	my partner set up for me
14:34	ThickAsThieves	"To change default settings edit ~/.mpex/config.yaml"
14:34	jurov	ah that isn't pympex
14:35	ThickAsThieves	someone here made it
14:35	jurov	did you try passing 'PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100' as parameter ?
14:35	ThickAsThieves	i forget who
14:35	ThickAsThieves	i did
14:35	jurov	note the quotes, wont work without
14:35	mircea_popescu	this has been quite customer-support-y so far.
14:35	mircea_popescu	have you tried turning it off and on again ?
14:35	ThickAsThieves	hehe
14:35	ThickAsThieves	the commands i normally use work fine
14:36	ThickAsThieves	just never did a xfer before
14:36	mircea_popescu	maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ?
14:36	ThickAsThieves	looks that way
14:36	jurov	maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed
14:36	mircea_popescu	i could see a case for disabling push
14:36	mircea_popescu	for a specialist implementation
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00501 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
14:38	cads	I wish I had access to shapeways' production statistics
14:38	cads	I can't imagine this part will have sold much: https://www.shapeways.com/model/1496035/doge.html?li=productGroup&materialId=26
14:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.005 = 0.7 BTC [-]
14:39	ThickAsThieves	http://www.shapeways.com/model/1567569/banana-doge.html?li=related-items-ext&materialId=26
14:39	ozbot	Banana Doge by kspaho on Shapeways
14:39	ThickAsThieves	dildoge
14:39	Duffer1	http://www.businessinsider.com/yellen-on-bitcoin-2014-2
14:39	ozbot	Yellen On Bitcoin - Business Insider
14:40	Duffer1	dexX7 ^
14:40	ThickAsThieves	yer even later than me
14:40	mircea_popescu	lol the later festival.
14:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005 = 0.22 BTC [-]
14:43	dexX7	well done @ yellen hearing
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]
14:43	dexX7	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7VDnU99fg oh wow ... lol
14:43	ozbot	Banana Doge 3D-Print - YouTube
14:55	greenspan_fan	hey are we talking about command line programming
14:56	greenspan_fan	here's a great way to solve version control problems
14:56	greenspan_fan	git add -A;git commit -m "YOLO"; git push origin master --force
14:58	mircea_popescu	this is all proprietary finance shit
14:58	mircea_popescu	it never saw the inside of a git
14:58	greenspan_fan	you don't use version control?
14:58	greenspan_fan	also I'm kidding, the above kinda defeats the purpose of git
14:59	mircea_popescu	not me, it's his thing
15:00	greenspan_fan	looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one
15:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 692 @ 0.0005149 = 0.3563 BTC [-] {9}
15:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.005 = 0.51 BTC [-]
15:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6235 @ 0.00086051 = 5.3653 BTC [-]
15:01	mircea_popescu	i thought we just established it ain't.
15:01	mircea_popescu	I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it
15:01	mircea_popescu	works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that.
15:01	mircea_popescu	The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th
15:01	mircea_popescu	e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid.
15:02	mircea_popescu	ok i love this article/author.
15:02	asciilifeform	last psych?
15:02	asciilifeform	this one's a classic
15:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00529 = 0.3544 BTC [+]
15:03	mircea_popescu	indeed.
15:03	greenspan_fan	kinda disturbed to find out all of you read TLP as well...
15:03	mircea_popescu	i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with t\he tool
15:03	mircea_popescu	course with or without that the system's movin' that way
15:03	asciilifeform	incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was
15:04	mircea_popescu	this is true, but unindicative.
15:04	mircea_popescu	the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too.
15:04	greenspan_fan	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html
15:04	ozbot	The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98%
15:04	greenspan_fan	my favourite one
15:04	mircea_popescu	soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff.
15:04	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ?
15:04	mircea_popescu	early bbs.
15:05	mircea_popescu	people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's
15:05	mircea_popescu	and also heard of chtulhu
15:05	mircea_popescu	fancy that!
15:05	greenspan_fan	that's garbage stuff though
15:05	mircea_popescu	culture is garbage.
15:05	greenspan_fan	no one reads anymore, and yet here you all are
15:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10459 BTC [+]
15:06	greenspan_fan	like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world
15:06	mircea_popescu	dun dun dun
15:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1046 = 0.4184 BTC [+]
15:07	greenspan_fan	it's blowing my mind, bro
15:07	mircea_popescu	"The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. "
15:07	greenspan_fan	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/my_name_is_michael_bay_and_i_j.html
15:07	ozbot	The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend
15:07	greenspan_fan	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/08/district_9.html
15:07	ozbot	The Last Psychiatrist: District 9
15:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00529 = 0.3227 BTC [+]
15:08	greenspan_fan	on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones
15:08	greenspan_fan	"So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks"
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15:19	mircea_popescu	"Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
15:19	mircea_popescu	ejhehe
15:19	mircea_popescu	You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave.
15:20	mircea_popescu	see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight.
15:20	greenspan_fan	"you are the 98%, and you are too slow"
15:20	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman.
15:21	greenspan_fan	you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think
15:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.005 = 0.745 BTC [-]
15:23	greenspan_fan	what's interesting (and Taleb hits on this as well) is that people are generally really poor at evaluating power-law types of extremes
15:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it may be the case.
15:24	mircea_popescu	any basis offered ?
15:24	asciilifeform	wish i could remember
15:24	greenspan_fan	so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other
15:25	greenspan_fan	but it's irrelevant because most of the money isn't in the hands of those people
15:25	asciilifeform	personally i suspect that TLP is a bourbaki.
15:25	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone.
15:25	greenspan_fan	the writing style's too consistent
15:26	mircea_popescu	that's not necessarily an argument.
15:26	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98%
15:26	asciilifeform	for all i care, tlp is a martian.
15:26	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan what ?
15:28	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something
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15:28	greenspan_fan	c.f. alinsky's rules for radicals
15:28	mircea_popescu	the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ?
15:29	mircea_popescu	do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ?
15:29	mircea_popescu	or do you mean in terms of agency ?
15:30	Duffer1	be both - soylent green
15:31	greenspan_fan	yeah, in terms of resources, not in terms of agency
15:32	greenspan_fan	because you wouldn't be part of that mass if you had real agency
15:32	mircea_popescu	well in terms of resources who te fuck cares.
15:32	greenspan_fan	"Everyone who gives himself a master was born to have one"
15:32	mircea_popescu	if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there
15:32	mircea_popescu	that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal.
15:33	mircea_popescu	the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine.
15:33	greenspan_fan	yeah but I mean, people are more effective than that
15:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55899999 = 1.118 BTC [+] {2}
15:33	greenspan_fan	they can be put to different efforts
15:33	mircea_popescu	are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ?
15:33	asciilifeform	if coal knew how to talk!
15:33	greenspan_fan	nope
15:33	mircea_popescu	what's this, trojan arguing ?
15:33	mircea_popescu	if no agency, then no efficiency.
15:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.559 BTC [+]
15:34	greenspan_fan	just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them
15:34	mircea_popescu	yeah, it totally worked for mtgox
15:34	mircea_popescu	and for bitfloor
15:34	mircea_popescu	and for glbse
15:34	mircea_popescu	and etc
15:35	greenspan_fan	well I mean agency in the "standing athwart the bow of history" levels of agency
15:35	greenspan_fan	the problem with those places is they were run by idiots
15:35	mircea_popescu	"agency" is a term of art.
15:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
15:35	mircea_popescu	well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them.
15:35	greenspan_fan	like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right?
15:36	mircea_popescu	i don't employ idiots.
15:36	greenspan_fan	still
15:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56 = 2.24 BTC [+]
15:36	mircea_popescu	no still. i really don't.
15:36	greenspan_fan	so you're saying that everyone who works for you is universally equally good at everything
15:37	mircea_popescu	no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements.
15:37	greenspan_fan	yeah, I'm not saying everyone should be an automaton
15:37	mircea_popescu	you are, yes.
15:38	mircea_popescu	"if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county "
15:38	mircea_popescu	this isnt starcraft.
15:38	greenspan_fan	look at the history of the world
15:38	mircea_popescu	ok.
15:38	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79o09GAwT1qci6pfo1_500.jpg
15:38	greenspan_fan	how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else?
15:38	mircea_popescu	none.
15:39	greenspan_fan	that seems like an insane position to take
15:39	mircea_popescu	but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe.
15:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00086624 = 2.4255 BTC [+]
15:39	greenspan_fan	it's true, I've only read books on history in english
15:39	mircea_popescu	just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics.
15:39	mircea_popescu	in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit.
15:40	greenspan_fan	weren't you arguing the other day that they're still there regardless?
15:40	mircea_popescu	who they
15:40	greenspan_fan	the matrices, as a form of description
15:40	mircea_popescu	sure, but a different "there"
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15:41	greenspan_fan	so what I'm saying is that having 1000 people who listened to leaders was a necessary (but not sufficient) condition to launch some revolutions
15:41	mircea_popescu	the entire view is broken.
15:41	greenspan_fan	how so?
15:41	mircea_popescu	pretty much every which way.
15:42	greenspan_fan	tell me, and I'll strive to correct it, insofar as such is possible
15:42	mircea_popescu	for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going,
15:42	mircea_popescu	and i don't particularly care.
15:42	mircea_popescu	wherever it ends up youl
15:42	mircea_popescu	l expost facto call it "a revolution"
15:42	mircea_popescu	and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed.
15:42	greenspan_fan	maybe it was an overdramatic example
15:42	mircea_popescu	maybe.
15:43	greenspan_fan	(to make an analogy w/ physics once again) leadership is like a drift velocity for particles undergoing brownian motion
15:43	mircea_popescu	no, it's not
15:44	mircea_popescu	because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people.
15:44	greenspan_fan	it's an analogy
15:44	mircea_popescu	well it's a degeneratology at best.
15:44	greenspan_fan	obviously people have their own directions and goals etc.
15:44	mircea_popescu	well so then ?!
15:45	mircea_popescu	"suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless.
15:45	mircea_popescu	see how the brick sinks ?"
15:45	greenspan_fan	but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc.
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730497 BTC [+]
15:45	mircea_popescu	so you like to think.
15:45	mircea_popescu	inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so.
15:45	greenspan_fan	so I have observed
15:46	mircea_popescu	right.
15:47	greenspan_fan	to bring it back to my understanding of TLP's point, it's that society's "power" (in some loosely defined sense) is distributed according to a power law
15:47	greenspan_fan	and in fact, it's a decent enough model
15:47	mircea_popescu	statistically.
15:47	mircea_popescu	once you try to particularize it it breaks down
15:48	greenspan_fan	the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people
15:48	greenspan_fan	to a first approximation, more or less
15:48	mircea_popescu	i see no value in this approximation.
15:48	mircea_popescu	it's about as good as holy water.
15:49	greenspan_fan	yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does
15:49	mircea_popescu	max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's.
15:50	mircea_popescu	philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did.
15:50	Duffer1	define success - he successfully scammed a lot of people, TaT didn't
15:50	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind.
15:51	greenspan_fan	And wasn't it barras who was jockeying for position w/ napoleon?
15:51	Duffer1	bagholders have been cryin about it for days on mcxnow
15:51	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy.
15:51	wbaw	and didn't napoleon lose?
15:51	greenspan_fan	But of course Napoleon won because he was an extremely effective leader of a particularly important part of society
15:51	mircea_popescu	which he did.
15:51	greenspan_fan	not til 1815
15:52	greenspan_fan	that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there
15:52	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ?
15:52	wbaw	there have been longer lived empires
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00086963 = 35.1765 BTC [+] {4}
15:52	greenspan_fan	wbaw but he was one corsican nobody! that's what was spectacular about it
15:53	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu one's a prediction, one's a post-hoc explanation?
15:53	mircea_popescu	right.
15:53	mircea_popescu	she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason.
15:53	mircea_popescu	but these are reasons.
15:53	mircea_popescu	she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation.
15:53	greenspan_fan	stipulated
15:54	mircea_popescu	but causes and reasons never met and never will meet.
15:54	greenspan_fan	"I can calculate the movements of the stars and planets, but not the madness of men"
15:55	mircea_popescu	right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method
15:55	mircea_popescu	is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect.
15:55	mircea_popescu	there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations.
15:55	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact?
15:55	mircea_popescu	no.
15:55	mircea_popescu	humanity doesn't enter into it.
15:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00496599 = 0.4122 BTC [-] {2}
15:56	greenspan_fan	But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it?
15:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00490003 = 0.2205 BTC [-] {2}
15:56	mircea_popescu	so what of it ?
15:57	greenspan_fan	then causes and reasons can meet?
15:57	mircea_popescu	in your confidence ?
15:57	mircea_popescu	any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much.
15:57	greenspan_fan	but I can model it using math
15:57	mircea_popescu	you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little.
15:57	mircea_popescu	surely.
15:57	mircea_popescu	math can be used to any purpose
15:58	mircea_popescu	that's what makes it so useful.
15:58	greenspan_fan	this just seems like you're recapitulating bishop berkeley
15:58	mircea_popescu	uh.
15:59	greenspan_fan	that reality only exists in the minds of the observers
15:59	mircea_popescu	i never said that.
15:59	mircea_popescu	apparently you came up with it trying to cope ?
15:59	greenspan_fan	no, I am trying to understand
15:59	mircea_popescu	im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does.
16:00	greenspan_fan	if you get me to change my mind, I learn something new. Only upside here for me. I'm just trying to understand what your contentions are.
16:00	mircea_popescu	all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself.
16:00	mircea_popescu	sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct
16:00	greenspan_fan	yes, stipulated
16:00	mircea_popescu	you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law
16:00	mircea_popescu	this is a little rich.
16:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5616 @ 0.00087028 = 4.8875 BTC [+]
16:00	greenspan_fan	again, I agree
16:01	greenspan_fan	but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act
16:01	mircea_popescu	so don't act.
16:01	mircea_popescu	what, am i askin you to act /
16:01	mircea_popescu	you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is.
16:01	mircea_popescu	so ?
16:02	greenspan_fan	I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you
16:02	mircea_popescu	this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ?
16:03	greenspan_fan	if your understanding is imperfect (which it generally is), you still need to interact with your environment to test/improve it
16:03	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
16:04	greenspan_fan	and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events
16:04	mircea_popescu	so you say.
16:04	greenspan_fan	yeah, but assume that I'm not just some internet troll who'll say anything to win an argument
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16:05	mircea_popescu	kind-of besides the point.
16:05	mircea_popescu	you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should.
16:05	greenspan_fan	not in an "ought to" sense, no
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16:05	mircea_popescu	well what is a prediction ?
16:06	mircea_popescu	"if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now"
16:06	greenspan_fan	nothing so formal as that
16:06	mircea_popescu	informality doesn't rescue much here.
16:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086632 = 27.0292 BTC [-] {2}
16:07	mircea_popescu	sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak.
16:07	greenspan_fan	of course
16:07	mircea_popescu	some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history
16:07	mircea_popescu	and retrospectively, the "correct prediction"
16:07	greenspan_fan	yeah, history is flawed that way
16:07	mircea_popescu	this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams
16:08	mircea_popescu	as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky
16:08	mircea_popescu	or in fact, i don't even exist.
16:08	greenspan_fan	no, you didn't
16:08	mircea_popescu	@twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit
16:08	greenspan_fan	you made a prediction that incompetence will lead to failure
16:08	mircea_popescu	which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless.
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16:08	mircea_popescu	you can't really go from one to the other.
16:09	greenspan_fan	wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though?
16:09	mike_c	he didn't predict it, he announced it :)
16:09	mircea_popescu	we don't know, i never disclosed any basis,
16:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1012 @ 0.00499999 = 5.06 BTC [-] {8}
16:10	mircea_popescu	and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete,
16:10	mircea_popescu	and so on.
16:10	mircea_popescu	but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach
16:10	mircea_popescu	"Any actual evidence that they have this magic “unlimited selftrading account”? I’m sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.."
16:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.005 = 4 BTC [+]
16:11	mircea_popescu	"I’m sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?"
16:11	mircea_popescu	"What of it? People who don’t know MtGox won’t buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, that’s what of it."
16:11	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083
16:11	mircea_popescu	that was... the 14th
16:11	thestringpuller	you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back...
16:11	mircea_popescu	sure.
16:12	thestringpuller	and the self trading account
16:12	greenspan_fan	so, assuming that wasn't all insider information
16:12	mircea_popescu	well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas.
16:12	mircea_popescu	this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience :
16:12	mircea_popescu	you can't in fact establish what it was.
16:13	thestringpuller	i think it's more of how a doctor operates
16:13	greenspan_fan	then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes
16:13	mircea_popescu	and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else.
16:13	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis
16:13	greenspan_fan	exactly
16:13	mircea_popescu	sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma.
16:13	thestringpuller	you mean trilema :)
16:14	greenspan_fan	which dilemma?
16:14	greenspan_fan	haha
16:14	mircea_popescu	well it's pluriform.
16:15	greenspan_fan	for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented
16:15	mircea_popescu	so what if it does ?
16:15	thestringpuller	ugh
16:15	mircea_popescu	succeed, i mean.
16:15	thestringpuller	signal vs noise
16:15	greenspan_fan	nothing, that's just my prediction
16:15	mircea_popescu	right.
16:15	mircea_popescu	you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ?
16:15	greenspan_fan	insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact
16:16	thestringpuller	you don't need to if you operate on valid information
16:16	greenspan_fan	I don't know whether my reasoning was correct or if other factors decided things
16:16	thestringpuller	if you operate on noise you're just a lemming
16:16	mircea_popescu	so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination.
16:16	thestringpuller	^- yup
16:16	mircea_popescu	which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense.
16:17	thestringpuller	"self enforcing" lol
16:17	mircea_popescu	and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity.
16:17	greenspan_fan	but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested
16:17	mircea_popescu	so ?
16:17	mircea_popescu	suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock.
16:17	greenspan_fan	haha
16:17	mircea_popescu	suppose each day it increases x%
16:17	mircea_popescu	you verify this theory until you're bored.
16:17	mircea_popescu	now what ?
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 686 @ 0.00483133 = 3.3143 BTC [-] {10}
16:18	greenspan_fan	if I have reasons to believe it will increase day over day by a certain percent
16:18	greenspan_fan	and I am confident in my reasoning
16:18	greenspan_fan	then I should buy it
16:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00481433 = 1.6898 BTC [-] {7}
16:19	mircea_popescu	so you should buy it.
16:19	asciilifeform	consult S.CRYING futures, they tell... the future.
16:19	mircea_popescu	do you actually buy it just because you should ?
16:19	greenspan_fan	yes
16:19	mircea_popescu	yeah well... i don't.
16:19	greenspan_fan	why not?
16:20	mircea_popescu	cause i have to also feel like it.
16:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00473674 = 0.8005 BTC [-] {9}
16:20	thestringpuller	lol
16:20	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock
16:20	greenspan_fan	why wouldn't you feel like it?
16:20	mircea_popescu	how would i know ?
16:20	thestringpuller	it has to give him a few blowjobs, tell him he's pretty
16:20	mircea_popescu	and for that matter, how would you.
16:20	greenspan_fan	take him out to dinner before hand...
16:21	mircea_popescu	but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise.
16:21	mircea_popescu	pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over.
16:21	mircea_popescu	for all i care.
16:21	greenspan_fan	yes, certainly
16:21	mircea_popescu	well lol.
16:21	mircea_popescu	Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?
16:22	mircea_popescu	Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character.
16:22	mircea_popescu	Untermyer: Before money or property?
16:22	mircea_popescu	Morgan: Before money or anything else.
16:22	greenspan_fan	I fit that into my reasoning, though
16:22	thestringpuller	greenspan_fan do you know who Nate Silver is?
16:22	mircea_popescu	so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t.
16:23	greenspan_fan	thestringpuller yep, reading his book at the moment
16:23	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect
16:23	mircea_popescu	right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing.
16:23	greenspan_fan	which might be the "feeling" you're talking about?
16:24	mircea_popescu	you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you,
16:24	mircea_popescu	should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class
16:24	mircea_popescu	and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language.
16:25	mircea_popescu	your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense.
16:25	greenspan_fan	yeah I wasn't arguing based on that
16:25	mircea_popescu	you slide in and out of it.
16:25	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with... doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language << might as well put him alone on a nuke sub with overheating reactor
16:26	mircea_popescu	but why be mean.
16:26	greenspan_fan	just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not
16:26	thestringpuller	lol
16:26	greenspan_fan	even if my understanding is flawed
16:26	asciilifeform	(there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations)
16:27	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ?
16:27	greenspan_fan	asciilifeform added to my reading list, thanks
16:27	greenspan_fan	no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here
16:28	mircea_popescu	you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ?
16:28	greenspan_fan	well, for instance, I don't know my mom haha
16:28	mircea_popescu	lol
16:28	mircea_popescu	what, you're a romanian orphan too ?!
16:28	greenspan_fan	but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust
16:29	mircea_popescu	you can't trust anything, get real.
16:29	greenspan_fan	not a fan of descartes?
16:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00086629 = 11.435 BTC [-]
16:29	mircea_popescu	it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think.
16:29	mircea_popescu	i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him.
16:30	greenspan_fan	consciousness is an illusion is a possibility
16:30	mircea_popescu	the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said.
16:30	mircea_popescu	these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip
16:30	greenspan_fan	the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist
16:30	mircea_popescu	right.
16:31	mircea_popescu	but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable"
16:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 239 @ 0.04377352 = 10.4619 BTC [-] {20}
16:32	greenspan_fan	sure. my contention is that alternative possibilities, like "I am not able to control my own actions" are in some sense unhelpful
16:32	mircea_popescu	but this is wildly different from what we were discussing
16:33	greenspan_fan	We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is
16:33	mircea_popescu	unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles"
16:33	greenspan_fan	no that's not what I was saying initially
16:33	mircea_popescu	well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects
16:33	greenspan_fan	yes
16:33	mircea_popescu	or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all.
16:33	mircea_popescu	this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet.
16:34	greenspan_fan	in the sense of reinterpretting the past
16:34	greenspan_fan	plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out
16:34	mircea_popescu	sorry.
16:34	mircea_popescu	it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego.
16:35	greenspan_fan	yeah, it's difficult to avoid that semantic blurring
16:35	mircea_popescu	anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality.
16:36	mircea_popescu	either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it
16:36	greenspan_fan	I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" **
16:36	mircea_popescu	or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence
16:36	mircea_popescu	in practical terms.
16:36	greenspan_fan	but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING
16:37	greenspan_fan	if I have reasons to believe it will continue to increase, I should invest in it
16:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00484998 = 0.2182 BTC [+] {2}
16:37	mircea_popescu	sure, you should.
16:37	greenspan_fan	this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct
16:38	mircea_popescu	you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier
16:38	mircea_popescu	and quit smoking.
16:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27928 @ 0.00086459 = 24.1463 BTC [-] {2}
16:38	greenspan_fan	I do those things to the degree that it's the rational choice
16:39	mircea_popescu	or so you say
16:39	mircea_popescu	ie, so you represent it to yourself.
16:39	mircea_popescu	what's so rational about it ?
16:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00086217 = 11.4238 BTC [-] {2}
16:40	greenspan_fan	insofar as "attempting to act rationally" has benefits associated with it, and insofar as I understand how to do so
16:40	greenspan_fan	I'm not perfect, but I try to improve
16:40	mircea_popescu	so you should stop dieing then.
16:40	mircea_popescu	why dont you ?
16:41	greenspan_fan	glibly; I've succeeded so far, haven't I?
16:41	mircea_popescu	surely.
16:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00498471 = 0.3589 BTC [-] {5}
16:41	greenspan_fan	and I am doing my best to postpone it
16:41	mircea_popescu	obviously, you're trying to improve on this too.
16:41	mircea_popescu	indeed.
16:41	mircea_popescu	alternatively, i couldn't care less.
16:41	greenspan_fan	you don't care if you live or die?
16:41	mircea_popescu	not really.
16:42	greenspan_fan	why not?
16:42	mircea_popescu	uh. what, i got the burden of the negative now ?!
16:42	greenspan_fan	I am just curious
16:42	mircea_popescu	i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off
16:43	mircea_popescu	not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle"
16:43	mircea_popescu	but other than that... what difference does it make ?
16:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 274 @ 0.0055 = 1.507 BTC
16:43	greenspan_fan	but being alive is clearly awesome
16:43	mircea_popescu	uh.
16:44	mircea_popescu	i never heard the dead complain.
16:44	mircea_popescu	you ever been on these new social media things they have ?
16:44	greenspan_fan	is there one for the afterlife now, too?
16:44	mircea_popescu	lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package
16:44	greenspan_fan	I heard facebook was trying to get into that space vis. dead friends still posting links to ads...
16:44	mircea_popescu	just add vc-water.
16:45	greenspan_fan	man that's another great y-combinator startup right there
16:45	mircea_popescu	so how much are you paying me not to kill you ?
16:46	mircea_popescu	seeing how it's clearly awesome and whatnot, stands to reason it should be worth something to you.
16:46	greenspan_fan	I'm from the NSA man, you can't touch me
16:46	mircea_popescu	how much can i get off you for your own life ?
16:46	greenspan_fan	it's worth more than everything in the world, yet by symmetry any transaction's balanced out by whatever you're paying me not to kill you
16:47	mircea_popescu	mebbe you presume a little there :)
16:47	mircea_popescu	i ain't payin' squat.
16:47	mircea_popescu	so now what ?
16:47	Diablo-D3	http://i.imgur.com/B1Ajc8j.jpg
16:47	greenspan_fan	then this reduces to some sort of weird pascal's wager like scenario
16:48	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma.
16:52	greenspan_fan	yeah, I am just wondering what your alternative to rationality is?
16:53	cypherc	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/
16:53	ozbot	Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ
16:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00499995 = 0.2 BTC [-]
16:54	nubbins`	Diablo-D3, lel
17:01	mircea_popescu	cypherc you know you're like the 5th with that link
17:02	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan you know, being a man.
17:03	greenspan_fan	http://imgur.com/XpryV8k
17:03	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
17:03	greenspan_fan	sorry I was making that
17:03	*	nubbins` facepalms
17:03	greenspan_fan	but "being a man" is totally begging the question
17:03	nubbins`	you know that's not a japanese starbucks, yes?
17:03	mircea_popescu	of course.
17:03	greenspan_fan	yes
17:03	mircea_popescu	wtf is untap
17:03	greenspan_fan	but it was the only one I could find
17:03	greenspan_fan	unfortunately it's korean
17:03	nubbins`	some M:TG shit
17:03	nubbins`	greenspan_fan: i've actually been in that starbucks
17:04	mircea_popescu	lol you're the guy with the beard ?
17:04	ThickAsThieves	you tap a card to attack or use its tap ability
17:04	nubbins`	it's one of, if not the only, starbucks in the world that doesn't have "STARBUCKS COFFEE" written on the outside
17:04	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan you know how mothers tend to end coversations with "because i say so, that's why!" ?
17:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086735 = 12.2296 BTC [+] {2}
17:04	nubbins`	mp, not anymore ;(
17:04	mircea_popescu	well... that'd be them being a man.
17:05	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu no I don't, see above
17:05	mircea_popescu	i know ;/
17:05	mircea_popescu	what the fuck am i going to do here.
17:05	greenspan_fan	ass haha
17:05	cypherc	sorry havent seen it before
17:05	mircea_popescu	cypherc log's your friend :)
17:05	nubbins`	it does, however, say SU-TA-BUK-SU KEO-PI
17:05	nubbins`	which is admittedly pretty close.
17:05	mircea_popescu	keopi ? srsly ?
17:06	nubbins`	there's no F or V in korean
17:06	greenspan_fan	it seems to me that you're implicitly truncating the process of trying to evaluate the world
17:06	mircea_popescu	i am.
17:06	greenspan_fan	ok, that I can agree with
17:06	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how to they fuck without vaginas ?
17:06	mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan agree with alexander, he invented it.
17:06	greenspan_fan	I think they're slanted? that's what my dad said
17:06	BingoBoingo	http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/2017249/yes-you-too-can-be-an-evil-network-overlord-with-openbsd
17:06	ozbot	Yes, You Too Can Be an Evil Network Overlord With OpenBSD - Slashdot
17:06	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, by calling it a buigina
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0050005 = 0.24 BTC [-] {2}
17:06	mircea_popescu	o jesus
17:07	mircea_popescu	"she's got bulgarians in her buigina"
17:07	dexX7	http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/ this one is interesting. especially the "hints" like the "9gag"
17:07	nubbins`	DVD = dee buee dee
17:07	greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu but I'm cutting the knot knowing that it's not the complete solution, but at some point you just have to do things
17:07	mircea_popescu	right.
17:07	greenspan_fan	so we're in agreement?
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0053 = 0.1007 BTC [+] {2}
17:08	mircea_popescu	mebbe so.
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+]
17:10	greenspan_fan	in gratitude for this interesting discussion, I've decided to spread your fame to the r/bitcoin subreddit
17:10	greenspan_fan	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z4hie/mt_gox_legendary_land/
17:10	ozbot	Mt. Gox, Legendary Land : Bitcoin
17:10	greenspan_fan	check the username
17:11	mircea_popescu	pankkake'll be proud
17:11	greenspan_fan	haha
17:11	mircea_popescu	anyway, enough excitement for one day. catch you all tomorrow!
17:11	dexX7	cya
17:13	kakobrekla	hey but the clock amount is still low!
17:14	nubbins`	heh
17:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00509995 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
17:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00086678 = 16.6855 BTC [-]
17:24	kakobrekla	>>You may want to inform your server guy to BLOCK all traffic coming from referrer getgoxed.com
17:24	kakobrekla	( someone did a redirect to kraken.com )
17:24	kakobrekla	--
17:24	kakobrekla	lel
17:24	kakobrekla	the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves
17:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00086134 = 8.8287 BTC [-]
17:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0051 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {2}
17:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.005278 = 0.1214 BTC [+]
17:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55996666 = 1.6799 BTC [-] {2}
17:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00086083 = 21.0043 BTC [-] {2}
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.56166666 = 1.685 BTC [+] {2}
17:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005334 = 0.112 BTC [+]
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730696 BTC [+]
		~ 20 minutes ~
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.565 = 1.695 BTC [+]
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.566 = 1.132 BTC [+]
18:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 996 @ 0.00504809 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {10}
18:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.10461764 = 1.7785 BTC [+] {2}
18:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00524996 = 0.4882 BTC [+] {2}
18:05	benkay	;;calc 21.0043 + 8.8287
18:05	gribble	29.833
18:07	benkay	;;calc .1326 + .1214 + 1.6799 + 1.685 + 0.112 + 0.11730696 + 1.695 + 1.132 + 5.0279 + 1.7785 + 0.4882 + 29.833
18:07	gribble	43.80280696
18:07	benkay	;;calc 29.833 / 43.80280699
18:07	gribble	0.681075073723
18:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085997 = 11.8676 BTC [-]
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.56616665 = 5.0955 BTC [+] {2}
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
18:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00527113 = 0.1107 BTC [+] {3}
18:15	benkay	;;calc (29.833 + 11.876) / (43.80280699 + 11.876 + 5.0955 + 0.57 + 0.1107)
18:15	gribble	0.678691648457
18:15	benkay	dat mpoe
18:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00527776 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {2}
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00527797 = 0.4856 BTC [+] {6}
18:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00527797 = 0.6334 BTC [+] {5}
18:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00507026 = 0.2028 BTC [-]
18:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00507026 = 0.4614 BTC [-]
18:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00086488 = 12.8867 BTC [+] {2}
18:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.57412999 = 8.6119 BTC [+] {6}
18:28	ThickAsThieves	why is TF's btc addy making weekly payments to people? https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF
18:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7786 @ 0.00017139 = 1.3344 BTC [-] {24}
18:30	BingoBoingo	That is a very good question ThickAsThieves
18:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
18:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57637499 = 11.5275 BTC [+] {7}
18:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+]
18:33	benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu the multiwallets are coming out of the woodwork... https://github.com/coinpunk/kongbucks
18:33	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:34	ThickAsThieves	was looking for connections to Deprived / TF
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00018497 = 0.2405 BTC [+] {4}
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00525999 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {3}
18:36	asciilifeform	benkay: browser-based wallet. because spammers need to eat, too.
18:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00086304 = 7.2064 BTC [-]
18:36	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: They might exist? I dunno of any communications from TF this year. Maybe moiety would have some information?
18:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00537997 = 0.8124 BTC [+] {2}
18:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0053399 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
18:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00537996 = 0.4842 BTC [-] {2}
18:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00537997 = 0.4412 BTC [+]
18:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 293 @ 0.00537996 = 1.5763 BTC [-] {2}
18:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00537997 = 0.6779 BTC [+] {3}
18:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00534 = 0.4112 BTC [+]
18:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 354 @ 0.0053684 = 1.9004 BTC [+] {4}
18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.57999998 = 4.64 BTC [-] {3}
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00537997 = 1.0007 BTC [-] {4}
18:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00537997 = 0.1829 BTC [-]
18:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086204 = 16.4219 BTC [-]
18:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.5790909 = 12.74 BTC [-] {4}
18:57	BingoBoingo	So... Jed McCaleb apparently still owns 12% of Gox? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/02/leaked-just-before-bitcoin-catastrophe-mtgox-dreamed-of-riches/
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00547113 = 1.6413 BTC [+] {4}
18:59	precrime3	hi, i was invited to come here, topic can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491115.0;topicseen
19:00	asciilifeform	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/north-korean-defector-fights-pyongyang-with-thumbdrive-laden-balloons/
19:00	ozbot	North Korean defector fights Pyongyang with thumbdrive-laden balloons | Ars Technica
19:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [-]
19:01	kakobrekla	hm
19:01	kakobrekla	precrime didnt last long
19:02	kakobrekla	i guess he just went to plain crime
19:02	twizt	precrime3
19:02	twizt	rofl
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11730918 = 0.5865 BTC [+]
19:04	Chris_Sabian	I have a transcation that I sent out almost 5 hours ago and it is still unconfirmed. broadcast through 99 nodes. miners fee of 0.0005 sent. any idea of why it is taking so long?
19:05	BingoBoingo	Chris_Sabian: Piss off any people who run pools?
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800082 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
19:05	Diablo-D3	fee too low?
19:06	Chris_Sabian	fee should be ok
19:09	BingoBoingo	Oh, the LoLs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.msg5385970#msg5385970
19:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00554955 = 0.3385 BTC [+] {2}
19:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00537995 = 0.5111 BTC [+] {2}
19:17	ninjashogun	anyone interested in startups here?
19:17	asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/instruction_set.html
19:17	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:19	MagicalTrux	https://github.com/Ferus/WhergBot2.0/blob/master/Plugins/Matix/Spams/NIGGERS.txt
19:20	MagicalTrux	http://captainchang.com/cs-songbook/baby_got_scheme.html
19:20	ozbot	Baby got Scheme
19:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32308 @ 0.00086534 = 27.9574 BTC [+]
19:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16915 @ 0.00086346 = 14.6054 BTC [-] {2}
19:24	nubbins`	hi
19:25	BingoBoingo	Hello nubbins`
19:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58100019 = 5.81 BTC [+] {2}
19:32	Chris_Sabian	i found a solution to the stcuk transcation in bitcoinqt : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483564.msg5328360#msg5328360
19:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00555 = 0.9324 BTC [+] {3}
19:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00561025 = 0.2188 BTC [+] {2}
19:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005645 = 0.5645 BTC [+]
19:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05801 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
19:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00537995 = 0.4788 BTC [+]
19:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00520099 = 1.8203 BTC [-] {4}
19:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0057 = 0.1653 BTC [+]
19:51	BingoBoingo	I think I found something much more fun to spend BTC on than a Lambo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/the-exosuit-a-wearable-submarine-for-visiting-deep-water/
19:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0056925 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2}
19:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100019 BTC [+]
19:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 44 @ 0.58590347 = 25.7798 BTC [+] {8}
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.591 = 1.773 BTC [+] {2}
19:57	cazalla	you really want a lambo?
19:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00086186 = 30.0358 BTC [-] {2}
19:58	cazalla	i was going to buy a toyota 86 but decided to keep driving my shit box until it goes no more
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.592625 = 4.741 BTC [+] {2}
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005601 = 0.14 BTC [-]
20:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.59499998 = 10.115 BTC [+] {4}
20:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [+]
20:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
20:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [-]
20:03	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Nah, I prefer my Saturn. I just thing the diving suit would be fun.
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00534999 = 0.1979 BTC [+]
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
20:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057 = 0.285 BTC [+]
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59675833 = 3.5805 BTC [+] {2}
20:07	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
20:07	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.94, vol: 15642.56806355 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.894, vol: 14217.12556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.25, vol: 11373.50354135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.9, vol: 53.79227123 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 578.43415, vol: 6348.48000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 579.619232199
20:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
20:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59884564 = 13.7734 BTC [+] {3}
20:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [+]
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00576032 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4}
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00506117 = 2.5306 BTC [-] {7}
20:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.59995554 = 16.1988 BTC [+] {6}
20:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6020002 = 4.214 BTC [+] {3}
20:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
20:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.618666 = 1.856 BTC [+] {2}
20:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61999887 = 6.2 BTC [+]
20:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00086184 = 6.6362 BTC [-]
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.005799 = 0.3711 BTC [+]
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6104 = 3.052 BTC [-] {2}
20:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61 = 3.66 BTC [-] {2}
20:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-]
20:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00086184 = 17.1075 BTC [-] {2}
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.6257061 = 19.3969 BTC [+] {10}
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63854286 = 17.8792 BTC [+] {10}
20:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.005799 = 0.5915 BTC [+]
20:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61001666 = 3.6601 BTC [-] {2}
20:37	nubbins`	!t m s.mg
20:37	assbot	[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.000149 / 0.000149 (160 shares, 0.02 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013949 / 0.000149 (1180 shares, 0.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011616 / 0.000149 (5030 shares, 0.58 BTC)
20:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500341 = 2.5017 BTC [-] {9}
20:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00519999 = 0.182 BTC [+]
20:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.643975 = 2.5759 BTC [+] {3}
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00086184 = 3.6197 BTC [-]
20:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005798 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
20:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61001 = 1.22 BTC [-]
20:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.005799 = 0.2494 BTC [+]
20:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6469 BTC [+]
20:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0058 = 0.464 BTC [+]
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058 = 0.116 BTC [+]
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.0050008 = 0.7251 BTC [-] {3}
20:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6469 = 2.5876 BTC [+]
20:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0008618 = 3.7057 BTC [-] {2}
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00581503 = 0.2908 BTC [+]
20:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086257 = 8.3669 BTC [+]
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.0050008 = 0.3701 BTC [-]
20:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
20:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1066 = 0.2132 BTC [+] {2}
20:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
20:54	BingoBoingo	Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo has been submitted to BitBet
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00590674 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {8}
20:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.057375 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {3}
20:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1066 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
20:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
20:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
20:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61275025 = 2.451 BTC [-] {4}
20:58	BingoBoingo	Yalta actually seems like a really nice place to have a summer house
21:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64483333 = 1.9345 BTC [+] {3}
21:07	asciilifeform	educational:
21:07	asciilifeform	http://sneakygcr.net/why-you-shouldnt-trust-your-vps-provider.html
21:07	ozbot	Why you shouldn't trust your VPS provider | gcr's journal
21:07	asciilifeform	(the 'what' is obvious to an alert reader. the 'how' is the subject of the linked piece.)
21:09	BingoBoingo	That is an interesting and surprisingly easy how to
21:10	asciilifeform	if the rabbit is in the hat, you can pull it out of the hat.
21:10	asciilifeform	and you needn't be a magician.
21:11	BingoBoingo	Well cold as it is this time of year, generally you can dig rabbit, minimal pulling required
21:11	BingoBoingo	So ##mtgox-statement is a lulzy channel of the moment
21:12	diametric	I've been lulzing at ##mtgox-chat for weeks
21:12	diametric	especially the guy that dropped like $5k on goxbtc through bb
21:12	asciilifeform	diametric: is there a public log?
21:13	diametric	not that i'm aware of
21:13	diametric	the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order
21:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not in ##mtgox-statement either
21:13	asciilifeform	oh well
21:13	diametric	and that he tried to slip that message in the IRC interview by posting a 9gag image and specifically mentioning 9gag when he linked the url
21:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Join, log, have lulz to dump later
21:13	diametric	I'm waiting for Mark is actually a reptilian alien
21:14	asciilifeform	'9gag' ? sounds like the kind of delaying tactic the man is famous for.
21:14	diametric	well, it was laughable
21:14	diametric	and then Circle.com got one too
21:14	BingoBoingo	This is the internet, everything is messy
21:15	asciilifeform	what the hell is circle.com
21:15	asciilifeform	the site itself isn't very informative...
21:15	diametric	no idea
21:15	BingoBoingo	circle is a vaporware
21:16	BingoBoingo	In true siliconvalley tradition
21:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52425 @ 0.00086453 = 45.323 BTC [+] {4}
21:20	BingoBoingo	Where's pankkake when you need him?
21:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00490001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
21:21	the20year	isn't mircea here ?
21:21	BingoBoingo	the20year: It is his bedtime for the week
21:21	the20year	aw
21:21	BingoBoingo	He only does this maybe twice a week, let him rest.
21:21	the20year	I know it doesn't make a difference to any of you, but I managed to come up with a mobile lighting solution for doing video inside the dumps we're buying
21:22	BingoBoingo	the20year: That actually sounds more interesting than the part where you buy dumps
21:23	BingoBoingo	Anyone in this channel remember the user midnightmagic ???
21:26	BingoBoingo	Seriously ##mtgox-statement is quite a lulzmine
21:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086576 = 4.5885 BTC [+]
21:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.60013749 = 4.8011 BTC [-] {5}
21:39	BingoBoingo	Oh, so many lulz
21:41	MisterE	http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/11187
21:41	ozbot	Putin #11187 by kockluvr - PutinGayDressup.com
21:41	BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/1668338/
21:41	ozbot	dpaste: #1668338
21:41	MisterE	the font page is down but internal links still work
21:41	BingoBoingo	Seriously lulzy channel for people needing circuses
21:42	decimation	ascii what kind of fool would believe they have any security when someone else controls the hardware?
21:42	decimation	although that's a neat how-to manual
21:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629 BTC [+]
21:44	BingoBoingo	Anyone here have favorite chapter's of Handel's Messiah?
21:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999999 BTC [+]
21:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [+] {2}
21:46	decimation	Part 2 has the Hallelujah chorus right?
21:48	decimation	Bingo surely the winklevii didn't keep their coins on Gox right?
21:49	BingoBoingo	decimation: Th winkelviie and Secondmarket may have Gox losses
21:50	BingoBoingo	decimation: The Messiah has 53 pieces, #44 is the Hallelujah chorus
21:51	asciilifeform	decimation: what kind of fool would believe... << quite a few people. ask them, not me.
21:51	asciilifeform	the fact that the bits on a disk belong to the fellow with the keys to the room is somehow lost on them.
21:53	BingoBoingo	I totally shouldn't have drank before writing this upcoming blog post.
21:54	BingoBoingo	I can't try to read a part in this god damned score without singing it to proofread my alterations.
21:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00555001 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}
21:55	BingoBoingo	Fuck it, I'm just adapting No. 44 to blog
21:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
22:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05456666 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {5}
22:01	BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/27/no-44-chorus/
22:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05073333 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {5}
22:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086499 = 15.2238 BTC [-] {2}
22:01	ozbot	No. 44 Chorus | Bingo Blog
22:05	decimation	Lol Bingo. Except Gox isn't gone, it's horde resides in stronger hands?
22:05	BingoBoingo	decimation: As far as I can tell its horde is lost to Derp and Herp
22:06	BingoBoingo	http://imgur.com/wJ6hpuJ
22:06	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
22:06	decimation	so you buy the 'lost key' story
22:06	asciilifeform	1) open bank 2) 'lose' deposit boxes full of gold 'in the sea' 3) ??? 4) profit
22:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0059349 = 0.4036 BTC [+]
22:07	asciilifeform	why would anyone believe the 'lost key' yarn
22:08	BingoBoingo	I've seen Ghostbusters, the Keymaster always does alright. Even if herp and derp don't
22:10	BingoBoingo	Herp and Derp have to lose their coin somehow.
22:11	decimation	well, do we believe the 'we forgot to check if the transactions were actually valid' yarn?
22:11	decimation	I'm not sure which one is more fantastic
22:12	asciilifeform	imho, MP's version is the most plausible one so far.
22:12	BingoBoingo	decimation: For a couple of weeks that was allowable, but only as a "most charitable reading which would still leave them insolvent"
22:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00086314 = 16.0544 BTC [-]
22:17	BingoBoingo	They see /me trollin' THey hatin'
22:19	the20year	which version?
22:20	BingoBoingo	the20year: April 2013
22:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0059565 = 2.0848 BTC [+] {17}
22:24	decimation	So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. It's sad that the early history of bitcoin occulted by such villainy.
22:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.005 = 0.245 BTC [+]
22:25	BingoBoingo	decimation: He probably isn't wrong. People need to see the retard spewing from ##mtgox-statement
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.606 = 1.818 BTC [-] {3}
22:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00086563 = 7.6608 BTC [+]
22:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 464 @ 0.00497455 = 2.3082 BTC [-] {3}
22:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [+]
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1071 = 0.6426 BTC [+]
22:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00086314 = 24.9016 BTC [-]
22:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18078 @ 0.00086291 = 15.5997 BTC [-] {2}
23:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1173 = 0.5865 BTC [-]
23:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1173 BTC [-]
23:10	benkay	http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040
23:10	ozbot	The $12 Gongkai Phone « bunnie's blog
23:10	asciilifeform	benkay: famous
23:11	asciilifeform	benkay: also it 'cheats' by being 'by chinese, for chinese' - none of that paying royalties for 'arm' nonsense, etc.
23:12	benkay	how much does that run?
23:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 102 @ 0.00316001 = 0.3223 BTC [-]
23:12	asciilifeform	i haven't the exact figures, but the actual (physical) unit cost for most ICs is very small.
23:13	asciilifeform	as in, what it'd cost to produce it given that you're china or ussr and piss on copyrights/patents
23:14	asciilifeform	now, the very educational question of why you cannot easily buy this phone in u.s.
23:15	asciilifeform	it isn't so much that it uses 'too many' pirated bits, but the price point per se
23:16	asciilifeform	if you try to bring a crate of these to u.s., germany, etc. it will be confiscated at customs.
23:16	asciilifeform	just as soviet pdp-11s would've been, if anyone had wanted them.
23:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086248 = 6.0374 BTC [-]
23:19	benkay	isn't it rather the fear of being found at customs rather than the actual searches?
23:19	asciilifeform	sure
23:19	dignork	asciilifeform what would be the excuse for confiscation? lack of certifications?
23:19	benkay	i actually have no idae
23:20	asciilifeform	dignork: patent/copyright.
23:20	asciilifeform	not immediately, understand
23:20	asciilifeform	but as soon as the western rights holders complain
23:21	asciilifeform	a photo will be added to the handy binder customs officials keep
23:21	asciilifeform	this is how it typically works
23:21	asciilifeform	one can try to play 'whack-a-mole' (playing as the mole) with the customs, and some people do.
23:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00086248 = 8.8835 BTC [-]
23:24	dignork	makes sense really, free market (assuming it's free) still requires compatible systems of laws
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.004915 = 0.1966 BTC [-] {2}
23:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00499997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
23:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.00086278 = 4.0965 BTC [+]
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00499997 = 0.23 BTC [+]
23:29	asciilifeform	i never understood why virtually every pocket widget used ARM, which is licensed by a monopoly, vs. MIPS, which is quite similar in purpose, and 100% free.
23:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I imagine most arm licensees practically throw away the ARM cores they paid for licenses to fab
23:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00086283 = 5.6093 BTC [+] {2}
23:31	BingoBoingo	What I want to know is now that MOPS based OpenRISC is very mature why can't I get a 4 ghz laptop with one of those.
23:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8699 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5024 BTC [-]
23:32	BingoBoingo	It is far from an ideal architecture, but...
23:32	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: check out 'longsoon' co.
23:33	BingoBoingo	longsoon looses my interest with its sponsorship.
23:33	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ?
23:33	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it being chinese?
23:33	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I see no reason why chinese government should be more trustworthy than usg
23:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
23:34	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: so, which country are we to buy cpus in
23:34	asciilifeform	supply of soviet z80 clones is a non-renewable resource after all.
23:37	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I imagine don't buy CPUs, but buy understood FPGAs and force them into an acceptable image
23:38	Mats_cd03	meow
23:39	BingoBoingo	Imma be disappointed if MP can't make a dungeo session bout this http://dpaste.com/1668650/
23:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0049 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {2}
23:39	asciilifeform	incidentally, our old familiar friend, prosecutor Preet Bharara: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/love/usa-v-love.htm
23:39	BingoBoingo	Seriously how many "BTC Olds" were in the gox fold
23:40	BingoBoingo	I want to get a bird and name it Preet
23:40	Apocalyptic	dat Luke
23:41	Apocalyptic	doesn't surprise me tbh
23:41	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: In his case of course not.
23:41	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: Of late your exchange hasn't exactly been reliable either
23:42	Apocalyptic	how so ?
23:42	asciilifeform	Bharara - because every century needs its Roland Freisler.
23:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
23:43	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: Every now and then t reverts to displaying stats from days earlier. Hard to describe
23:43	Apocalyptic	by "it" you mean the API ?
23:44	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: No, web interface
23:44	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind.
23:44	Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, huh, doesn't seem likely to me
23:44	asciilifeform	so, for instance, chinese cpu waits for the phrase 'tiananmen satoshi goatfuck' and shorts power rail to ground if this appears in the cache.
23:45	asciilifeform	it is quite true that you cannot put this kind of trap in an fpga without making the whole thing look quite ridiculous even under an optical microscope.
23:45	Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, I haven't heard similar complaints so far
23:46	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: Do other people try to daytrade on web though.
23:46	asciilifeform	(fpga has no idea where the 'cache' will be on the fabric, or even that it will be configured as cpu rather than, say, decompressor)
23:46	asciilifeform	on the other hand, the 'listens for magic packet on radio, using power rail as antenna, and shorts power rail to ground when received' can be fit into any ic
23:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I mean SPARC T1 cores are open source. Unless lisp machine I see little reason to not them.
23:47	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: just describing some of the very different varieties of trap that can be set for a chip buyer
23:47	Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, I think mike_c does
23:48	asciilifeform	i had the T1 running on a board around here somewhere. it works.
23:48	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course. Tis why national govt chips are worth skipping when alternatives exist.
23:48	asciilifeform	my point was that you end up trusting a big fat american duopoly when using modern fpga.
23:48	asciilifeform	and that, while certain interesting classes of attack are impossible on an fpga,
23:48	BingoBoingo	K, that might be relevant
23:49	asciilifeform	it does not follow that nothing interesting can be done to the unsuspecting buyer
23:49	BingoBoingo	OMG Luke-Jr endorsed the MPEx model "<Luke-Jr> the last 2-3 years have demonstrated that people get scammed far more often on decentralised exchanges"
23:50	asciilifeform	incidentally, xilinx might as well be run out of ft. meade
23:50	asciilifeform	it does not automatically follow that one should not buy xilinx
23:50	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: As far as I can tell Khosala lives in Ft Meade
23:50	asciilifeform	just that you should understand the implications.
23:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00086472 = 10.2037 BTC [+]
23:52	asciilifeform	'voodoo' fear of 'ritually tainted' hardware is counterproductive.
23:52	BingoBoingo	Prolly
23:52	asciilifeform	semiconductor is not magic, isn't cursed, one can form reasonable hypothesis about enemy action.
23:52	BingoBoingo	I kinda want an Apple II GS, i bet that can entropy without frying.
23:53	asciilifeform	whereas if you operate on 'voodoo', you will happily buy treacherous hw from 'clean' people
23:53	asciilifeform	and feel 'clean'
23:53	asciilifeform	afaik none of the '80s micros included a reasonably useful entropy source, with the possible exception of the 'commodore-64'
23:54	asciilifeform	where the sound chip had a noise diode built in
23:54	Apocalyptic	interesting
23:54	BingoBoingo	The way to appear clean though is to cage the important machines and subcribe to Cable's sports package and have a lot of CRT TV's
23:55	BingoBoingo	Drownd useful SIGINT
23:55	BingoBoingo	With 'Murican football and baseball
23:55	asciilifeform	spectrum is a big place
23:55	asciilifeform	your cpu can be heard through the neighbourhood tvs just fine.
23:56	BingoBoingo	Of course, It's why you file antennas
23:56	asciilifeform	*through the noise of
23:56	dignork	asciilifeform: there was another approach at working with unsecure hardware, maybe it was mentioned here before: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EncryptedComputationEdited
23:56	BingoBoingo	Introducing noise as a reciever isn't too new
23:57	asciilifeform	dignork: homomorphic crypto came up here many times
23:57	dignork	:)
23:57	asciilifeform	it is worth your while to read about who is interested in it, and why
23:57	asciilifeform	i doubt that you will like the answer.
23:57	BingoBoingo	So like, Luke-Jr Got really fucked by Gox, point and laugh???
23:57	copumpkin	why would you do that?
23:58	BitcoinKike	copumpkin: Why would I oppose the wrong kinds of fascism?
23:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11019668 = 5.5098 BTC [-] {11}

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