#trilema | 2014-03-23

[23:24:41] Ghaleon: mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough this community is doing an awesomejob

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[23:24:57] Ghaleon: your letter to sec was an example of that respectable, legally sound, defiant.. yet friendly

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[23:25:09] mircea_popescu: but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes.

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chetty: thats what I want to know too!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27960 @ 0.00095356 = 26.6615 BTC [+] {3}

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MisterE, the whole email exchange is at:

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http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

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Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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thanks

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.d

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4.250 billion | Next Diff in 348 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6670% in 2d 1h 28m 59s

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[HAVELOCK] [MS] 31 @ 0.00419948 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0009537 = 5.15 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19577 @ 0.00095108 = 18.6193 BTC [-]

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hah, love that exchange

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"Senior SEC Lawyer" put in his place nice work!

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hopefully people will get the idea and stop shaking in their boots when the gubermint comes calling

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00094681 = 2.083 BTC [-]

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what happened?

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just rehashing the sec exchange

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I must have missed that to begin with

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*

Diablo-D3 has been busy the past 3 months

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haha well its still this weeks news

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http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

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Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00623674 = 0.2682 BTC [+] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00094442 = 14.7849 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00628 = 0.1068 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0609995 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0619 = 0.2476 BTC [+]

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02:30

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/index.php looks like a really pro exchange with the latest news from 15th of last month...

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not the same since they moved to panama

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so hard keeping track of these dodgy characters

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should be a site dedicated to vetting and tracking exchange owners

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00094552 = 22.5979 BTC [+]

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MisterE, that would be more than a full time job

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07548966 = 0.3774 BTC [+]

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indeed, if only there were an organization already in place who could take on such a mission...

02:51

too bad BCF is so irrelevant

02:53

for weekend these markets are absolutely flat

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dead calm

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I'm beginning to think crypto has jumped the near-term shark

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LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html?hp&_r=0

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MisterE: I don't think the Chinese care for it, majority of the volume is still on btc-e, I figure coblee kicked this off on his brother's exchange just so he could sell without fees or risk

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 314 @ 0.00546 = 1.7144 BTC [-]

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yep cazalla China dumped on BTC-e

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I sold at 19.5 just before it went live, I told people to buy the hype sell the news but I know a lot of bag holders and people that got burned

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I'm not game to go near it or btc-e now

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I have fiat sitting in BTC-e now and have been increasingly thinking I need to do something about that

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00094552 = 4.8694 BTC [+]

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cazalla: no matter where you trade there is manipulation so might as well trade on the exchange where it mostly happens so you can see it

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this has been my thinking

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Even the simplest of tricks I se often like putting up a big wall and when the market starts moving canceling the order

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I don't anymore, not that what I did before was trading, more gambling

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oh I dont kid myself I know it's "calculated gambling" at best

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so where do I go from here?

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i stuck everything into cold storage

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it's a wonder i made it this far without being fleeced tbh

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I see

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yea there are so many people better at the game than me

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i've had coins in every scam

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not that i knew it at the time

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always seemed to cash out at the right time

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luck follows some of us

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yeah, i'm not game to push it any longer, i buy, put most into cold storage and save a little for some have some fun with it shit bets on bitbet

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I'm good at the craps table because I play a very conservative game, max odds and try to bet the trends, I'm up ~$15k in my lifetime and I was sort of feeling the same way abotu crypto, I'm doing OK but could all go to hell in one game

03:20

works until it doesn't eh

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i'm not big on gambling, only bet on bitbet because most prop bets are bitcoin related and it's a bit of fun

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how's your bitbet roi? :)

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most are pending, i'm 3/3 so far

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i only bet small though so it's nothing to get excited about even if i won every bet

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I wonder how much traffic they are getting

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117k alex rank, my guess would be 2500-5000 uniques a day?

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http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.com

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309k

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wrong site

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http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.us

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ahhh

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

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thats better

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where are you from MisterE? it's usually quiet in here at this time, any chance australia or down this way?

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I'm US but live in Asia for many years

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yea most of my IRC friends are Aussies

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because we're awake at the same time and you seem to be one of the few countries left who can stand us :P

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moot says 95% of the shit posters on 4chan are from australia

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i don't mind yanks but we call you guys seppos when you're here

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Well I dunno about your younger generation, you sound like an adult :D

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yea seppo is the term

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pommies

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kiwis

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Jocks

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although we're becoming more PC

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/22085122/charge-over-nic-nat-slurs/

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can't even call a guy a nigger anymore without being arrested

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tackling cyber bullying is a big thing here nowadays

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Yeah, what is the major malfunction with your cops sheesh? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-snowden-australias-cops-worry-about-people-using-crypto/

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it's fucked but that seems to be occurring in every country now

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Yea but you and the Kiwis and sometimes the Canuks were the rational ones usually

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you've all been poisoned by USA FUD

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liberal SJW fud

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sjw?

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labour is out right?

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you have a conservative government now iirc?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9177 @ 0.0009507 = 8.7246 BTC [+]

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social justice warrior

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liberal in australia means something else to liberal in america

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there is no liberal in the US anymore

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6334998 BTC [+]

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it's shifted so far to the right that conservatives of old would not even have a place in the spectrum anymore

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i thought it was leftist?

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like it is here

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liberal in australia means you marry more than one farm animal

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oh shots fired

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dub: thought that was a scouser thing?

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cazalla: a lot of it is because of our primaries system

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000151 BTC [-]

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not much participation by any but the extremists

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so candidates cater to them

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and the party determines who to back with like 1% of the base voting at primaries

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then after the primary they try to broaden their message to appeal to more people

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i am finding a lot of people my age no longer care, don't even bother voting even though it's compulsory

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but we have to satisfy the whackos because they man the gates to power

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thats really sad to hear about AU

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in US I can understand voter apathy

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your country is hardly as fucked up

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2 party system here, both are the same

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at least it's not first pass the post system

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this is excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14173 @ 0.00094955 = 13.458 BTC [-]

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usaoscoin

.bait

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/d2a27e3ad789b8ad6e744419c0bb0c0d/tumblr_mrwdi7jVwf1qz9pzzo1_500.jpg

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i would vote for snake because at least he is honest about who and what he is

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seriously though, i don't care anymore

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one party wins, they'll rule for 2 periods and then we will swap to the other team for 2 periods and on it goes

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the last election was pretty much won on who would be tougher on boat people

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so we vote for whoever will keep them out yet no politician is game to get up and say he will sink the boats and feed the people to the sharks

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meanwhile, most illegals come by plane anyway

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what do you mean cazalla ?

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if they come by plane they are turned back at immigration?

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or you mean covertly from PNG?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00094914 = 8.9428 BTC [-] {2}

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overstaying visas etc

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oic

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is there no efort to locate people who overstay?

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when the cops stop them for something don't they get caught?

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boat people are coming from Indo?

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i'm sure they try to catch them but it's like finding a needle in a haystack

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oh lots of people work 'off the books' there right?

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not even that many people come by boat

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paid cash

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yeah, they do

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ok I remember now

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you anywhere near Bris?

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other way, Melbourne

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got a couple mates around there

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ok

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most people here don't share my views though

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they're happy to be flooded by immigrants

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howso?

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cheap labor?

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meanwhile, 85% of asylum seekers here don't have a job after 5 years

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because they have white guilt

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welfare system in this country is being bled dry

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ahh interesting

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but not by the aboriginals?

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by aliens?

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abos are a minority really

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00095109 = 20.7338 BTC [+] {2}

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but they too leech the system

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not that I'm particularly happy the welfare system is paying into aboriginals and decimating the culture but... not my country

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they are the only deserving leeches

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they were there first and all

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so you've got middle class tax payer upset that immigrants, asylum seekers, illegals etc etc are flooding the country, draining the welfare system while they pay for it in increased taxes, gov sells off it's assets to pay for people that don't even belong here

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abos have been given more than any other people in this country MisterE

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anyone else so comes from abroad should not be able to get benefits even if they can't show they are there legally or a citizen

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free housing, free land, free everything

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yea those handouts are curses in disguise

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they are

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look at the US indian reservations for examples

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they are totally dependent on the system

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it's a disaster

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alcholism rampant

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alcoholism*

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ofc the reservations are in the shittiest places where there is no work

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which fuels the hate people like me have towards them

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as the middle class see them getting something we're not plus we pay for it

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I think reservations should be ended to be honest

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you have many rights as an american

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if it was an even playing field, i probably wouldn't be so hostile to them like most australian's are

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growing up in an environment that isnt 24/7 drugs, rape, and whatnot is one of them

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its appalling what some americans do to others, and then make them think it was their idea

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Diablo-D3: the australian government removed indigenous children from homes like that, 50 years later, lawsuits everywhere

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Why are you hostile to the people who just want a better life? You should be pissed at your representatives in Sydney who are making policy on how to handle it and I guess believe in handouts for people who can't vote?

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cazalla: they did it here

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lawsuits here as well

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that sounds hard to believe

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but its because they DIDNT go to better homes

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and they were denied the birthright of their own culture

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what Im saying is

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treat native americans like the americans they are

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no free pass just because they're native american

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MisterE: they don't want a better life, they want to live in the bush as they did before the British came here, I am happy for them to do that, government is not and they keep throwing money at them

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MisterE: and I'm hostile (some would say hateful) because I am paying for it as is the rest of the middle class and we're jack of it

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cazalla: yes, and thats because they've been brainwashed by people who dont have their best interests in mind

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its okay to go back to the land, as long as you do responsibly

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I almost do as much

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Diablo-D3: Americans are some of the worst most uncaring people I've ever met and I'm pretty well travelled everywhere except Europe and North Asia / Russia

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MisterE: some are, some arent

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Im American, Ive never been accused of being uncaring

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If Katrina had hit The Hamptons you think people would be drowning in their second story homes?

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they care just not about the poor

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who are constantly shafted

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MisterE: pointless being pissed at the politicians who enable them because my vote makes no difference and they don't care once they are in office anyway

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Diablo-D3: American here too just living abroad

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OK it's impossible to change shit in the US at the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of

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anyway, i think the situation is too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in the rest of the world

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vote the bums out organize

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nobody does it eh?

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wow

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I had no idea there was that uch frustration

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you can't because they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share the culture, don't care for the country but have their hand out for welfare

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MisterE: welfare is a massive problem here

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so vote in politicians who will reign in the welfare?

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something like 1 in 4 Australian's get welfare

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every 2nd person has a back problem or some bullshit for disability

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cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular topic for campaigns in the US

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oh so everyone is in the tit

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in/on*

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MisterE: current politician is "reviewing it"

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lol yea

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but they won't do anything because that many people get welfare now that it's political suicide

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perpetual review

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plus with an aging populace

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we're just so fucked

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start running up a debt like the US and you'll be foreced to

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oh you got a baby boom too?

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boomers are about to retire

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no-one my age is getting married or having kids

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Dimsler

about to?

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Dimsler

they are already retiring

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Dimsler

wtf

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you 20-30?

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31

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man thats fucked

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they've left you a nice mess

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Dimsler: some

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many still in the workforce though

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but they're hanging around for as long as they can because the pension isn't enough to sustain them

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at least it is not as big and bad as the mess US baby boomers are leaving to their grandchildren

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the golden years

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burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of toiling for the corps

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fuck that

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I'd be disallusioned too

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disillusioned*

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plus we have some of the most expensive property in the world

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Enjoy life now when you're young and can, leave a decent looking corpse is basically my retirement plan

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how old are you MisterE

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that property should be held by the members of that homogenous society you mentioned no?

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thats power

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of course but we're our own worst enemy

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Chinese come here and offer big bucks and who's going to refuse that?

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older than you but not enough to be your father

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big problem with that here - locals being pushed out by Chinese who bid 20% over asking price at auction

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oh that should be stopped ASAP you can't have foreign counties buying up your country

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depsite all that, it's a great country :)

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because there's not a ton of livable land

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those chinese dont want to live in the bush

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strict rules on land ownership here because of that

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MisterE, when I was 20, I thought ideas like social justice, equality, peace etc etc were good ideas, now that I'm in my 30s, I find myself hoping for a catalyst that would bring about a nationalist party to power, that's a big change in just a decade

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yea 180

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i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out the leeches

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I used to be a crusader and activist int he US in my 20s

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I gave up in my 30s and got disgusted and ben out for 8 years now

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hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck that)

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I had a consulting company that paid a lot of tax and saw it all going to fight those wars and what not, no thankyou

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it's not right, is it

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i'm jack of it and i suspect there are a growing number of people like me from the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer

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no and I can't find anywhere in the world better

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I'm mobile, single, can work remotely and financially secure

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there's not a place I can think of to live that's not fucked one way or another

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So I'm usually based in Thailand

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well, wasn't it the /national/ government that fscked it all up so bad?

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because at least here its lawlwess

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cant blam the govs only imho people have come to expect too much from gov

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what happened to taking care of your own shit and self responsibility

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well, what do you think happened to it?

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saving used to be good now if your credit cards aren't maxed you're not a patriot

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traded out for short-term gains I guess bounce

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short-sighted*

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you take care of yourself, pay taxes, gov't takes care of those who can't help themselves with "free money". then more and more people want in on the free monies, and so it goes.

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bounce: conservative values were destroyed and here we are, least that is what i see it as, evils of feminism and all that

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feminism backfired in some big ways eh?

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it was shameful to take welfare once upon a time

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now it's like, whatever

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talking in -isms won't help you, seeing how those got us there in the first place

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now it takes 2 incomes to qualify for a home loan lol

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suckered at every turn

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no wonder men prefer to sit in their parents basement playing video games

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yea, given the human condition as I see it it's understandable

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and then there is IRC

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and beet

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beer*

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and

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.bait

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0e860a2b5b8b71036335f5a6c1c50e9/tumblr_mgfvmks0FY1qm2q0lo1_500.jpg

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well, i've been drinking hence the shit spewing out of my mouth

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I think you both are wallowing in the same kind of feeling put upon that got the activists up before and had them change the gov't and such more to their liking

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i usually keep my mouth shut in here while sober

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If there were a real grass roots movement I would go back to the US to be a part of it

04:31

bounce: you're right, i have a whinge, jerk off and go to bed

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that occupy wall street hippy thing was not it

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lol

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fucking life sucks if this is good as it gets

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oh i have a good life

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What we really need is a war to kill off like 10%

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i feel it's being threatened

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harsh but its true

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would you be part of that 10%?

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i was just about to say that

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just like those who call for population control

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the remaining 90 will suddenly remember what is important in life and we'll have another generation or 2 of harmony

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oh, how about you go and get sterilised? oh, they didn't mean themselves, just others

04:33

bounce: depends on the cause

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the cause of making some elitist jerk the new king of the hill, what else?

04:33

i don't think this conversation would fly in here during peak hours

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heh no?

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i sorta feel i'm shitting where i eat heh

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but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of the hill

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I'm never here so I don't know but I thought pretty much politics and intelligent exchange of ideas is OK

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anyway, going to make some dinner

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haha

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MisterE: it is but i only talk when drunk and unlikely to say anything intelligible then

04:35

naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians think and whats really going on there from this chat

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valuable to me

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MisterE: I would only get away talking like this at the pub, not in general public, there are just as many who would disagree with me but they typically want to pile on for the free shit from the government

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00094525 = 18.2433 BTC [-] {2}

04:46

you know the US libertarian ideal?

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that always seemed to be the kind of state you guys had managed to make

04:47

now I hear the welfare has messed it up like the UK, maybe followed that model.

04:48

instead of welfare give free college education or something

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we have that already

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most people take a loan and never pay it back so it is effectively free

04:52

is there actually anywhere in the world left thats not pretty much a welfare state?

04:52

MisterE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/australias-unsustainable-welfare-system-to-be-overhauled-says-minister

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"The overview shows the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with the age pension making up almost half that number at 2,282,592"

04:52

population of Australia is like 22million

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so 1 in 4, 1 in 5 receive welfare

04:53

you can get on disability for shit like depression here

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almost makes you want to say fuck it, get a payment and use it to buy bitcoins

04:54

isnt US welfare actually more than min wage now?

04:55

I would guess Australia welfare pays better than Walmart

04:56

US welfare ain't that great

04:56

it used to be more cushy

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but reagan cut that shit

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was pretty harsh people coming off some things like mental health services took a beating but it's evened out since

04:57

hasn't O pretty much put it back?

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it's still not very great but you have to be trying to work or something and its not endless

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did O change it? I didn't think so

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maybe an injection from "stimulus"?

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but that'd be 1 time

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yeah he cut the looking for work stuff

04:58

oh really?

04:58

I liked that part

05:00

Either way you're screwed in the US, this pretty much sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/PPzfayh.jpg

05:00

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-30/other-america-taxpayers-are-fools-working-stupid

pic worth 1k words and all

05:01

HeySteve2

05:01

The Other America: "Taxpayers Are The Fools... Working Is Stupid" | Zero Hedge

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ugh, and I just finished my tax return

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00094884 = 31.881 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07292002 = 1.823 BTC [-] {4}

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06:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62509 BTC [+]

06:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9447 @ 0.00094923 = 8.9674 BTC [-]

06:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.63499989 = 5.08 BTC [+] {6}

06:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63910534 = 17.8949 BTC [+] {5}

06:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006289 = 0.3145 BTC [+] {2}

06:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00629027 = 0.5032 BTC [+] {5}

06:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.0063 = 0.1071 BTC [+] {2}

06:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.003161 = 0.1991 BTC [+] {2}

06:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.00316 = 0.4045 BTC [-] {2}

06:38

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00082435 = 0.2638 BTC [-] {4}

06:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00094923 = 0.4746 BTC [-]

06:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095174 = 0.4759 BTC [+]

07:05

MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use trilema for that purpose.

07:06

MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term << no, you don't understand. destroying scams IS thinking long term.

07:07

this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now.

07:07

so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends.

07:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13680 @ 0.00095045 = 13.0022 BTC [-] {2}

07:23

Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraines border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATOs top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported.

07:24

or, for that matter, paris.

07:30

;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now.

07:30

The operation succeeded.

07:33

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2487 @ 0.00013 = 0.3233 BTC [-] {4}

07:33

Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time

07:34

;;estimate

07:34

Next difficulty estimate | 4939815404.41 based on data since last change | 5576146819.12 based on data for last three days

07:34

whoa.

07:34

.d

07:34

4.250 billion | Next Diff in 278 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1945% in 1d 14h 41m 28s

07:35

bitcoin network, always surprising.

07:35

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3459 @ 0.00047535 = 1.6442 BTC [-] {5}

07:35

At some stage people are gonna stop throwing money at mining. Amazes me how long it's taking though.

07:36

Just difficulty stabilization is gonna be a minor supply shock in bitcoin land.

07:36

that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess.

07:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05933366 = 0.356 BTC [-] {4}

07:36

but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ?

07:36

mircea_popescu: And prices are down 50%. I'd have expected that to be a damper.

07:36

bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ?

07:36

i don't think anyone cares about the spot

07:37

which explains why we have such a shitty spot

07:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-] {3}

07:37

Miners must do, unless they're spending savings and not selling what they mine

07:37

;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 60 / 6

07:37

31709.7919838

07:37

31k spent per block

07:37

;;calc 31/25

07:37

1.24

07:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-]

07:38

fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense.

07:38

10**11 is what, 100 billion?

07:39

They spend more than that no?

07:39

nope.

07:39

bout there, 100ish.

07:40

Your calc is wrong

07:40

they ususally are

07:40

what'd i do this time ?

07:40

60/6 should be (60/6)

07:40

;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 10

07:40

1141552.51142

07:40

awww

07:40

but right you are!

07:41

;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather

07:41

Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

07:41

;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6

07:41

1902587.51903

07:41

;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25

07:41

76103.500761

07:41

So $76k per coin

07:42

If it gets to $76k I'm long retired on a sunny island

07:42

im not.

07:43

;;calc 60 / 6 / (60/6)

07:43

1

07:43

um...

07:43

so then 60 / 6 = (60 / 6) ?

07:44

whereas!

07:44

;;calc (1/60 / 6) / (1/ (60/6))

07:44

0.0277777777778

07:44

whereas

07:44

But I'll still log on to bitcoin-assets from said sunny island, I promise!

07:44

;;calc 76103.500761 / 1.24

07:44

61373.7909363

07:45

mircea_popescu: Judging from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States and adding 3 yrs of inflation I think we're closer to 10 ** 12.

07:46

i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish

07:46

Call it $500k per BTC.

07:46

and you don't ADD inflation, because you're not in 2009 dollars today.

07:46

you substract inflation from the 2009 figures

07:47

I'm sure they're spending more not less.

07:47

not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess.

07:47

And I mean the "milking the n00bs" coment tongue in cheek

07:47

meant*

07:47

What's been happening with LTC? Still at 0.027-20.028; what's changed?

07:47

15.65 lol

07:47

0.027-0.028

07:47

dead calm

07:48

Neil fuck me you're right http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/

07:48

MisterE im just a hater

07:49

;;calc 495.6 * 10**9 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25

07:49

377168.949772

07:49

that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k.

07:49

Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days.

07:49

yeah.

07:49

They're coming out every 5mins on average.

07:49

the us and the chinese :D

07:49

gotta spend that half trn somehow

07:50

what are you hating on MP?

07:50

tongue in cheek comment!

07:50

see, you can't spot them either!

07:50

*

MisterE here you go: http://imgur.com/gallery/wmHpE

07:50

:p

07:53

;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy...

07:53

The operation succeeded.

07:55

MP link?

07:55

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 328 @ 0.000835 = 0.2739 BTC [-]

07:55

http://cluborlov.blogspot.ro/2011/07/dead-souls.html

07:55

ClubOrlov: Dead Souls

07:55

you've mentioned orlov a few times

07:55

thanks

07:55

some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development.

07:56

oh is he the fuffles guy?

07:56

and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain.

07:56

bezzle / fuffel ? yeah

07:56

i see

07:57

tho both concepts are in general currency ( http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2008/12/16/madoff-galbraith-and-the-bezzle/ )

07:57

and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point

07:59

i suppose properly bezzle should be traced back to gailbrath, cca 1929

07:59

galbraith*

08:02

anyway, turns out this was obviously not a serious piece, so i guess teaches me to protest before finishing an article.

08:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059394 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2}

08:15

Well BTC > $10k bet suddenly became lopsided this week.

08:28

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.00546 = 0.3931 BTC [-]

08:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0061001 = 0.61 BTC [-]

08:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.639001 BTC [-]

08:35

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 287 @ 0.00526144 = 1.51 BTC [-] {9}

08:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00095174 = 10.0075 BTC [+]

08:39

http://imgur.com/gallery/eOeppfc

08:39

Bill Cosby speaking the truf. Bippity Bop - Imgur

08:39

Neil yeah heavy on no nao

08:40

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5854744#msg5854744

08:40

Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide

08:40

owch

08:45

jurov so is fico winning ?

08:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07270326 = 0.1454 BTC [-]

~ 33 minutes ~

09:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.0009527 = 35.4881 BTC [+] {4}

09:25

;;google famous jewish rabies

09:25

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jewish_history/Archive_4>; Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: Israel Is a 'Rabid Dog' | Jewish ... - Algemeiner: <http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/20/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-israel-is-a-%E2%80%98rabid-dog%E2%80%99/>; JCR-UK - Susser Archive - History of the (1 more message)

09:27

http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/

09:27

Here’s a thought : being Bitcoin is more of a something to be than being Jewish ever was or could

09:30

haha and BCF hate at the end love it

09:31

I dont go on bitcointalk forum much such a time sink

09:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.639 = 5.112 BTC [-]

09:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62000005 = 1.24 BTC [-] {2}

~ 19 minutes ~

09:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49574 @ 0.00095281 = 47.2346 BTC [+] {4}

10:07

<Neil> Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff

10:12

nah not asicminer

10:12

they're dying

10:12

ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to?

10:13

i dont think anyone runs one

10:14

pretty sure blue matt was at some point

10:14

lol

10:15

I guess I get to test code in production, as it were.

10:15

hearn did it...

10:15

That doesn't make it a good idea.

10:15

you don't say ?!

10:15

I do say!

10:15

no but srsly, i can't believe they'd have stopped the testnet

10:16

ask in #bitcoin-dev for some testcoins or something

10:16

or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin

10:16

I don't want bitcoin testnet. I want altcoin testnet.

10:16

i'll send you some atc if you can't work it out ah

10:16

oh nm me i completely misread.

10:16

you wont really cause pankkake ripped you

10:16

he did ?

10:16

kakobreklaa sheeeit

10:17

dude ran o0ff with my altcoinz ?!

10:17

I am alive

10:17

o hey there.

10:17

hello

10:17

kakobreklaa see ? slander again.

10:17

i take it back.

10:17

pankkake you ok ?

10:17

I'll be more available in a few days

10:17

cool.

10:17

no emergency, relax.

10:17

its not slander if you miss someone!

10:17

slanderlove

10:18

yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks

10:18

e-mail is sure to reach me

10:18

artifexd, may I ask whatcha working on?

10:19

atcdice.com

10:19

o hey.

10:19

sweet

10:19

all the fun of gambling with none of the bitcoin downside!!11

10:19

artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess!

10:19

lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide

10:20

There's a testnet checkpoint at block 546 (or somewhere thereabouts).

10:20

ouch, it's wrong then

10:20

I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself.

10:20

Difficulty should be low. :)

10:21

lol

10:21

why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget?

10:22

it's worked into the Offense budget

10:22

offensive

10:22

if you make it I'll merge your genesis block/checkpoints

10:22

homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either

10:23

ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb

10:23

there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003

10:23

it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse.

10:24

in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves

10:25

the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there

10:25

look we cut Defense spending by .1%! Ignore that Homeland Security part.

10:26

myeah.

10:26

the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones.

10:26

no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s)

10:26

wait Obama did in his first

10:28

so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories

10:29

pretty much

10:33

too bad that SEC layer didnt come to IRC :)

10:33

lawyer*

10:34

anybods find this useful? - http://www.google.com/finance

10:34

as useful as any google search i guess

10:34

you can look up tickers n stuff

10:34

i just found it a few days ago, made a portfolio, its pretty neat

10:34

just as useful as any free market data service

10:35

msn has one, yahoo has one, bloomberg has one

10:35

and i think there's more.

10:35

MisterE time's not ended yet.

10:36

do you invest irl shares/securties mircea?

10:36

oh I'm pretty sure the SEC's network blocks the applet

10:38

neckbeard chic aka lumberjack couture http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/9407395264500502323

10:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009547 = 4.2962 BTC [+]

10:38

an ad served while viewing zh ^

10:38

god knows what i bought on online to deserve that

10:39

heh

10:39

i've seen frank & oak ads

10:40

really i have nothing against his clothes

10:40

are they like Carhart?

10:40

just how they are being presented as 'style'

10:40

pair of dickies and a plaid shirt

10:40

STYLE

10:41

i guess if it aint nude, it's stylish

10:41

back in the 60s people had style

10:41

sharkskin jackets

10:41

Rat Pack

10:42

i'm sure there are plenty people with style still

10:43

just the ones on tv are mostly just gay-with-clothes-on

10:43

i'm no one to talk though

10:44

i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird

10:44

heh true gay people and many black people have style

10:44

guess I dont get out much

10:45

scrub

10:45

normcore

10:47

do you think its because every black person is secretly gay? (no homo)

10:47

is that why

10:47

they all

10:47

no, its social norms

10:47

got the moves?

10:49

men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably

10:49

(in my experience)

10:49

<ThickAsThieves> lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will.

10:49

i think you guys hang around normals too much

10:50

artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice

10:50

no, black people caring about fashion has nothing to do with homosexuality

10:51

VanCleef sometimes.

10:52

ThickAsThieves the "under $50" part i find the most objectionable.

10:52

ahh cool

10:52

^lol

10:52

hehe

10:53

must have cash left over to buy an axe

10:53

ThickAsThieves what'd you wear every day anyway ? velve ?

10:53

whats a velve?

10:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55744 @ 0.00095182 = 53.0583 BTC [-] {2}

10:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+]

10:53

;;google velve

10:53

VELVE OLED - Technology | Verbatim: <http://www.verbatimlighting.com/article/oled/>; Velve: <http://www.velve.lv/>; ////// VELVE ////// female singer / songwriter //////: <http://www.velve.de/>

10:53

velvet!

10:53

lol no

10:54

don' discriminae me because i got a broken mister

10:54

generally i already do wear the same thing every day already

10:54

o shi i worked ha ime

10:54

just change the colors and patterns

10:54

what labels do you wear tat?

10:54

when you start wearing neutral or black every day, that's when people start to notice

10:55

i'm not even morbid

10:55

i just would wear black every day probly though

10:55

except in the sun

10:55

that's hot

10:55

i dont look at labels much

10:56

if it looks like i might wear it, i buy it

10:56

;;google man in black

10:56

Men in Black (1997) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/>; Men in Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black>; Men in Black (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_(film)>

10:56

i'm overdue for new wardrobe though

10:56

judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes

10:56

not men in black you ebonicsipidia you.

10:56

yeah mp knows how to dress

10:57

i also happen to think Johnny Cash is pretty cool

10:57

me too.

10:57

yeah johnny cash is cool

10:57

minus all the xtian bs.

10:57

but what do you want, bloke lived in teh south and his first wife died when he was what, 17 ?

10:58

robert smith is pretty cool too

10:58

lol

10:58

he made some cool music at least

10:59

he ruled, you kidding me ?

10:59

i'll never forget how he owned those clowny kids

10:59

http://purefilmcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/robert-smith.jpg

10:59

i dont now much about the man

10:59

other than looking ridiculous and making cool music

10:59

compare nine inch nail hurt with cash hurt

10:59

then consider it was supposed to be THEIR signature song.

11:00

nin hurt is a pretty terrible song, wiash cash didn't cover it

11:00

i was referring to smith

11:00

this is the furthers out case of musical and generally artistic ownage i know of

11:00

bar non.

11:00

yes, cash Hurt is way better

11:00

o o

11:00

it was a good cover tho

11:01

why did the cure go to shit btw ?

11:01

what better swan song could the guy have had?

11:01

i forget

11:01

yeah absolutely.

11:01

did they go to shit? lol i think they just got old

11:02

meanwhile, disco : http://25.media.tumblr.com/850ca39c3e1d800cca5a39aae1566e36/tumblr_mlqxxru0KR1rztzruo1_1280.jpg

11:02

i seem to remember some acrimony

11:03

nice pic

11:03

an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it

11:03

heh

11:03

they still wear cargo jeans and band t-shirts

11:03

and are generally depressed

11:03

maybe it was the drugs

11:04

maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality.

11:04

music is really terrible these days

11:04

ie, it IS the drugs, but the other way around.

11:05

hehe i'm wearing a band tshirt and all black right now, i guess i should shut up

11:05

except mine is Kid Dynamite

11:05

i've never wore a band tshirt

11:05

you were never in a band

11:05

i... hm. i produced a few bands / concerts ?

11:05

really?

11:05

yeah

11:06

including a... rave ;/

11:06

hehe

11:06

lol

11:06

in like 96 iirc

11:06

never been to a rave

11:06

that's funny

11:06

i can't even recall wtf it was called.

11:07

Tits or GTFO Dance Party

11:07

anyway, this is all bs weirdo romanian stuff, it shouldn't really count.

11:07

more like comedic relief.

11:07

you produced gwar didn't u?

11:07

i went to see Gwar

11:07

ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds

11:07

was kinda fun

11:07

aha

11:08

wtf is textile residue? clothes caked into the paper?

11:08

unidentified bits of what probably were clothes

11:09

how many rapes?

11:09

none reported.

11:09

it

11:09

it's tropical here so I wear as little as possible and there's no style there heh

11:11

where you at, jamaica ?

11:11

ow shit, i just gave bill cosby a problem huh ?

11:11

but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time.

11:12

people around me end up using it too

11:12

it's catchy namean ?

11:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003274 = 0.6548 BTC [+]

11:14

catchy, ain't it?

11:14

"ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas.

11:14

black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world

11:14

^

11:15

artifexd well this is in reference to an earlier bill cosby imgur

11:15

you cannot keep up if you arent paying attention for even a year

11:15

ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages

11:15

maybe'

11:15

funny to see whitey suburbanite kids co-opt it so quickly now

11:15

but that said, it's certainly productive.

11:15

and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak"

11:16

bih went in, ish goes hard

11:16

dont start no ish

11:16

wont be no ish

11:16

artifexd well maybe. i am no expert :p

11:17

artifexd: I did a stretch in Denton and SA

11:17

SA?

11:17

does that mean you were in prison there ?

11:17

San Anton

11:17

san antonio is like my favourite us city.

11:17

around here the old timers in the local black "ghetto" are nearly incoherent

11:17

it's prety good

11:17

but Bexar county sucks

11:17

Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas.

11:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00094923 = 3.6071 BTC [-]

11:17

around here the old timers in the local white "ghetto" are completely incoherent

11:18

MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p

11:18

overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed

11:18

"aeh eh uhhh ehh fuckin... euhhh..."

11:18

but this is canadians

11:18

yes riverwalk is fantastic

11:18

that's not language, that's gesturing psychopathy

11:18

mircea_popescu that's a direct quote ;(

11:19

imagine canadian forums

11:19

he was looking for the word "roof"

11:19

someone should make a purported canadian forum like that just to mess with people

11:19

megatroll sting operation.

11:19

<mircea_popescu> san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on trilema?

11:19

;;google montreal forum

11:19

Montreal Forum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Forum>; Forum de Montreal: <http://www.forum-montreal.com/>; The Forum Opens its Doors | Historical Website of the Montreal ...: <http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/greatest-moment/The-Forum-Opens-Its-Doors>

11:19

ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery trilema photos

11:19

Culturally Austin has more to offer

11:19

one of a bridge and some buildings

11:20

imho

11:20

;/ link ?

11:20

shit i dunno, i made some guesses at the time in here

11:20

well i lost the pointer

11:20

well not at the time you published, i think it was older

11:20

canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something

11:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.003274 = 0.9462 BTC [+]

11:21

anyway, it was funny, i was wearing a suit, struck up a conversation with a band in a bar,

11:21

then people from the bar were coming to me to ask me to ask the band to play songs

11:21

then the band wanted to sign me up as their manager

11:21

then we had breakfast at dennys

11:21

Moon over My Hammy?

11:21

nah it was some rock and roll ish thing

11:21

thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back

11:22

blond lead vocal guy couldn't quite decide if he wanted to do an elvis impersonation or not

11:22

o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve

11:22

ok back to movie, GF watching Psycho for first time

11:23

I'd forgotten a lot

11:23

you dating 16yos ?

11:23

(and the 1960s vera miles version i hope?)

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]

11:40

http://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html

11:51

3rd time's a charm

11:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30946 @ 0.00094983 = 29.3934 BTC [+] {2}

11:51

heh.

11:51

aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ?

11:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.06184998 = 3.2162 BTC [+] {10}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44457384 BTC to 4`132 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

~ 19 minutes ~

12:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00094923 = 18.1303 BTC [-]

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0619999 = 0.124 BTC [-]

12:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095029 = 15.4897 BTC [+]

12:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.11950724 = 11.9507 BTC [-]

12:27

<mircea_popescu> [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [+]

12:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.0009482 = 37.5961 BTC [-] {3}

12:35

knotwork

Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down

12:38

or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day

12:39

well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards?

12:39

I remember that big miner mining at Eligius praising vircurex and recommending it for trading NMC

12:39

cause "they've been around for quite some time you know"

12:40

derp.

12:40

so has goat. so has gigavps. so has teh bitcoin foundation. around scamming for quite some time now.

12:41

indeed

12:41

gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes

12:41

goat is going to sue garr now

12:42

"your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump."

12:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0603875 = 0.2416 BTC [-] {3}

12:42

is this over their mining thing?

12:42

yea

12:43

but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :)

12:43

the thing went bad over half a year ago

12:43

yeah, he was going to sue pirate, he is going to sue garr,

12:43

or its just me who can smell the shit early

12:43

before that back in 2012 he was going to post pics of his mining farm

12:43

he's a going-to kind of guy.

12:44

ofc he wont, i phrased it wrong

12:44

kako the shit-smeller , dat title

12:44

lol

12:44

fuck what have i brought on myself

12:44

Tic the shit-senser

12:45

*

kakobrekla goes to edit todays log

12:45

lmao

12:45

ooo what is that flash ?!

12:45

hm... what were we talking about ?

12:45

yeah, much better than pdf

12:45

we were talking about sending our btc to kako for a new mining venture.

12:46

does pdf stand for pedophile ?

12:46

use latex at least...

12:46

but what does flash stand for then

12:46

hm

12:48

the question that ended -assets.

12:48

*tumbleweed*

12:48

flash! ah-haa!

12:49

can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be

12:49

if one day it just... ends.

12:49

i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing

12:50

i'm just watching a bunch of mark cuban interviews

12:50

http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

12:50

Assets Assimilated

12:51

last year's trilema :)

12:51

cool thanks Duffer1

12:52

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html

12:52

Shareholder Letters

12:52

read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign

12:52

thank you mircea

12:54

mircea_popescu: you still like Berkshire Hathaway despite Buffet's stance on BTC?

12:55

you still respect* not like*

12:55

the letters are old, and as respectable as they ever were.

12:55

you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on trilema in any way ?

12:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.062 = 1.426 BTC [+]

12:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU8KksjGB8s

12:56

P Diddy's Words Of Wisdom - YouTube

12:57

That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95...

12:57

well it ain't gonna suck itself...

12:58

Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated Turkeys airspace Sunday

13:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63877424 = 2.5551 BTC [+] {3}

13:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64150055 = 1.9245 BTC [+] {3}

13:07

cads

mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters?

13:07

cads

another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it

13:08

so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today

13:08

i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so

13:08

any tips?

13:08

or just go buy a heat gun

13:08

got a lens ?

13:08

i have a magnifying lens for soldering

13:08

so try that on the sun. who knows.

13:09

ThickAsThieves: hair dryer usually works.

13:09

helps if you own an IR thermometer.

13:09

i do

13:09

that also.

13:09

http://i.imgur.com/SN4UYEU.png - from da reddits

13:09

esp if you got a pro one.

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00636479 = 0.1718 BTC [+] {5}

13:09

any temp i should be going for?

13:10

depends on the glue, clearly

13:10

some kinda mobile device surgical glue or someshit

13:10

i guess, til it's loose

13:10

traditional method is to attach a suction cup

13:10

to the screen

13:11

http://i.imgur.com/SgfBapJ.gif

13:11

and suspend it a cm or so above the table, in a clamp, from said cup

13:11

then heat.

13:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.64549969 = 7.746 BTC [+] {2}

13:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00639697 = 0.1215 BTC [+]

13:14

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy

13:14

Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post

13:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639696 = 1.2794 BTC [-] {3}

13:15

so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard

13:15

it's glorious.

13:15

shirt-cocking ?!

13:15

;;ud shirt cocking

13:15

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shirt%20cocking | Men who go about their day with a shirt on, but no pants or underwear. "Cocking" can be used with other terms. Example: Cowl Cocking, when a man we...

13:15

Urban Dictionary: shirt cocking

13:16

cooking bacon too, you see.

13:17

i see

13:20

it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore.

13:20

functionality my ux-perts tell me nobody uses any more.

13:20

"except people who read at a reasonable speed!"

13:21

scrolling *has* to impose additional cognitive load.

13:21

i use it.

13:21

scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page

13:21

Hi guys.

13:21

"but moving eyes from end to begin of line must add cognitive load"

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

13:21

turns out the brain is a pulse not a flux processor.

13:22

it adds nothing.

13:22

really?

13:22

myeah

13:23

re lines that's been a staple for a good millenia or so tho

13:23

we've adapted.

13:23

plenty of "smarter than necessary" folk came up with lines that went 123 654 789 etc

13:23

somehow it didn't catch on.

13:23

mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on the brain is the herz that neurons can fire at before tiring. Given how much processing we do every second, take a guess at what the maximal neuronic herz rate is in the brain :)

13:23

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06199765 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

13:24

maximum*

13:24

and no, it's not that we've adapted to the lines. the lines are adapted to us.

13:24

this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity.

13:25

"Although different neurons fire at different speeds, as a rough estimate it is reasonable to estimate that a neuron can fire about once every 5 milliseconds, or about 200 times a second"

13:25

i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse.

13:25

Our brain operates at a maxmium of 200 herz. That is mind-bogglingly slow.

13:25

(correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown)

13:26

vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either,

13:26

seeing how the more people read the more their fixed costs go up.

13:26

VICE is about reporters without borders!

13:26

now if they only could convince everyone that

13:26

BLERGH

13:26

'maxmium of 200 herz' << this would be interesting if they fired in phase. which they don't.

13:26

is a perfectly fine article...

13:26

hi asciilifeform. it is still very surprising :)

13:27

if someone told me you can do everything a human can do in terms of brain-processing (from vision to motor control to thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING) thorugh a neural net at which the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure."

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+]

13:28

anything you can do in 5 seconds includes no individual neurons firing more than 1,000 times.

13:29

mircea_popescu: you know breaking bad?

13:29

some sitcom thing ?

13:32

hairdryer isnt hot enough :(

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00327699 = 0.8586 BTC [+] {2}

13:35

google is showing not much success repairing the tablet i am attempting

13:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19482 @ 0.00094723 = 18.4539 BTC [-] {3}

13:39

ninjashogun: That is meaningless. The full structure of the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet.

13:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.003277 = 0.3474 BTC [+]

13:44

hi, midnightmagic. Well, yes and no. It is meaningless, you are right. But it's also interesting that it means that a supercomputer running at 4 ghz interconnect speed runs at a native speed of 10,000,000 times faster than neurons' native speeds.

13:46

midnightmagic, the other interesting thing is that the brain weighs just 3 pounds and takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts).

13:46

except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000 things which is much higher than the 4,000,000,000 other things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean there is no "faster".

13:48

midnightmagic, this is very true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were to model these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units), then the same CPU units could be reused 20 million times (4 ghz / 200 herz) to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how to think about it.)

13:48

example, from one's tool drawer. i recently happened to buy an oscilloscope. it can sample signals at 1GHz, despite having no component therein operating above 100MHz.

13:48

asciilifeform, that is a very good and interesting example. Do you think that the brain relies on these sampling effects?

13:48

this is done by having a number of ADCs operating at 100MHz each, but out of phase.

13:49

asciilifeform, I understand. Do you think that timing is used by the brain in this way?

13:49

asciilifeform, I would think that the brain doesn't depend on sensitive timing information like that, but rather on the pathways that are activated (irrespective of timing).

13:49

depends on what one means by 'used'. it is known that the neurons aren't synced (in phase) - why would they be.

13:49

ninjashogun: Nope. There is not enough understanding to model even small parts of the human brain. The structures we know about are unknown. There are likely other structures we don't yet know about.

13:50

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.11950724 = 1.4341 BTC [-]

13:50

asciilifeform, exactly, they're not in sync because why would they be. But is that out of phase effect used to do calculation or the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not.

13:50

for the foreseeable future, there is no computer even contemplated that could model the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive.

13:51

machine intelligence will take another form.

13:51

midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have the code.

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 486 @ 0.00314518 = 1.5286 BTC [-] {11}

13:52

midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what to run - it's not that we can't run it, but we don't have the software written.

13:54

Based on the simple calculation that the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely that there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code that we could run that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have the code, even though it probably \exists

13:54

Hardware-wise, if we had the code than a simple cluster of a few tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it.

13:56

Also don't forget that we know for a fact that the architecture in the brain is encoded in no more than 700 MB totally uncompressed. That is how much the human genome takes to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) encoded as two bits each). With some compression that's even less.

13:57

Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling the development of a brain by "running" the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully.

13:57

but we have a theoretical proof that the architecture of the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under that, as that encodes the full human body.)

13:59

http://kottke.org/14/03/the-first-national-bank-of-gamestop

13:59

The First National Bank of GameStop

14:01

consumer banking is so commoditized that apparently one can accidentally operate a bank.

14:02

benkay, ha!

14:02

benkay, that is a hilarious observation

14:02

a friend was curious about http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'"

14:03

"i mean yeah - it's a US bank. they likely won't do a runner with your cash. they're also just like every other bank in the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older than yourself and myself put together."

14:05

they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand the spaniards want to leverage the stack that Simple built out for themselves across a load of different networks.

14:06

"here's a team that's actually built a thing that makes money. let's buy the thing and leverage the team's proven track record of shipping high-quality software to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal tooling."

14:07

no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but the mgmt team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of the PDX clojure group will be taking rather nice vacations this year if the workload ever slows down.

14:12

No, whoever came up with that $1b estimate is someone being silly and probably looking for grant money.

14:13

There is also no "theoretical proof" that the architecture of the brain is "under 700MB". That's utter nonsense.

14:14

let it go, midnightmagic.

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]

14:16

the data for creating the brain may be that small, but the code that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge.

14:16

.bait

14:16

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jyphXDYQ1qg1ag3o1_500.jpg

14:16

plus that too

14:16

swear to god i know that girl.

14:16

bah

14:17

tits are too big tho.

14:20

mircea_popescu: fico only won first round and with only 4% gain. second (final) round is scheduled to march 29

14:22

i hope he'll lose

14:23

yes

14:24

mp is asking that second or third time already, you could have explained him that when i'm not around...

14:24

https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html

14:24

jurov, I didn't see him asking that

14:24

ninjashogun, already been posted hours ago

14:27

someone should set up an FDI btc - Federal Deposit Insurance of Bitcoins

14:27

every week you hear of an exchange closing down freezing funds etc due to hacking.

14:28

ninjashogun: that proposal isn't even funny

14:29

it's wholesale stupid

14:31

mandatory proof of infosec competence for whoever asks bitcoins deposits/loans/investments would be tad better

14:31

jurov - lol @ "mandatory"

14:31

jurov - that's not how bitcoin works. nothing is mandatory.

14:31

yes. but i can at least chuckle over that

14:31

jurov - fair enough

14:32

jurov - I suppose the main reason an insurance scheme is stupid is because it doesn't work if every exchange gets hacked and has to pay out....

14:32

If.

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1247 @ 0.00307995 = 3.8407 BTC [-] {9}

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 8379 @ 0.00299664 = 25.1088 BTC [-] {45}

14:34

jurov - what percentage of BTC exchanges have lost btc due to theft? (to the point of shutting down)

14:35

jurov - I've heard of 3-5 such cases (I think) but I don't know what percentage that represents.

14:35

ninjashogun, you mean realt theft or self-theft a la zhou tong ?

14:36

even if i somehow knew that % it would be utter meaningless number

14:37

Apocalyptic, there's no way to know is there :)

14:37

"reported theft"

14:37

exactly

14:37

what is the percentage of exchnages that have had "reported theft" (whether real or invented)

14:38

ninjashogun one can't insure subprime mortgages (incidentally, from very similar reasons).. but some doods did that anyway

14:38

er... tried to

14:39

jurov - well, you can insure sub-prime mortgages but the premium might be on par with the monthly payment.

14:39

because they were thinking in % like you do

14:39

jurov - I wonder how much it would reduce exchnage usage if there were a 20% insurance fee on all deposits. (Which is insane.) Would some people still use it to buy fiat with BTC they accept elsewhere?

14:39

(insane as in insanely high.)

14:40

well, do try it

14:40

dumber ideas had their moment of btc glory

14:41

we know that the percentage of exchnages that would pretend a theft occurred would go up. (It's called 'moral hazard' in insurance.)

14:41

it would be difficult for that to go up.

14:41

mike_c - well I know a couple that have not reported thefts so far. (For example moolah's)

14:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6210055 = 2.484 BTC [-] {3}

14:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07123173 = 1.852 BTC [-] {7}

14:48

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5857173#msg5857173

14:48

Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

14:48

Goat's on a warpath

14:50

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {2}

14:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34110 @ 0.00095029 = 32.4144 BTC [+]

14:58

wow going through his post history, that all seems to be getting pretty ugly

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]

15:13

Duffer1 - whose posting history are you referring to? If it's Garr, I know someone who knows him. (many exchanges).

15:13

sorry if it's Goat. Not sure if that means Garr.

15:14

My comment is about "His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat"

15:14

i was referring to Goat's post history

15:15

ok

15:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.06039287 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}

15:20

kakobrekla: on bitcoin-assets.com the donation addr is 14uG... but link goes to 1B6N...

15:21

hax !

15:21

ith a conthpirathy

15:21

thats odd

15:23

the plot thickens.

15:23

ninja so you know someone that knows garr are you involved with Cog?

15:24

i'm just curious to find out what's going on

15:24

did you make that tx to 14u jurov?

15:24

yes. and now i wanted to check and only then realized the prob

15:25

do you not control that address Kako?

15:26

i dunno, i got a bunch of wallets but at first look no

15:28

Duffer1, No I'm not involved with Cog. I just know that as far as this person is concerned Goat is very trustworthy.

15:29

what is the Cog story?

15:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.062 = 0.806 BTC [+] {2}

15:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094663 = 11.2649 BTC [-] {2}

15:29

exactly

15:29

?

15:29

" Goat is very trustworthy." I lol'd

15:29

i'm not exactly sure, it'swhy i was asking

15:30

i just see a lot of accusations of fraud and mismanagement dunno what's going on though

15:32

I didn't say it's my opinion. I don't know Goat personally at all.

15:32

This person could easily have been mislead, etc.

15:32

All frauds have ardent followers.

15:32

oh i mean accusations of fraud by Goat against Garr

15:32

I was NOT referring to Garr only Goat.

15:32

I don't know anything about Garr at all.

15:33

ah

15:33

and about Goat, I know just that one person trusts him and has been in touch for over a year.

15:33

Duffer1: do you know, if it's possible to withdrawal ltc from ct?

15:34

i tried to withdrawal .4 but it wouldn't let me

15:35

it kept ignoring the . and trying to withdraw the 4

15:35

<_<"

15:35

what's ct ?

15:35

VD

15:35

i mean CipherTrade

15:35

did you try "," instead of "."?

15:36

bah you damned euros lol no i didn't try a ,

15:36

hahaha

15:36

let me check

15:36

yup

15:37

not the only shop that had that problem. add a 0 in front of that . and all should be well again.

15:38

Ghaleon_

anyone here install 0.9.0 on unbent from source ?

15:38

if it works indeed with ",", it's funny, because the balance is shown as "x.y"

15:39

nope, it won't even let me enter a , or a .

15:39

i'm using firefox

15:39

have you tried what bounce suggested ?

15:40

ah thanks bounce i missed that, that does indeed work

15:40

what did you enter exactly? 00.4?

15:41

he tried 0.o

15:41

x_x

15:41

to answer your initial question dexX7 it is possible to withdraw LTC from CT. The transaction showed up almost immediately

15:41

i entered 0.4

15:41

thanks

15:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439 @ 0.00094503 = 0.4149 BTC [-]

15:42

although.. my balance still shows the original even after refresh

15:43

nm gone now

15:43

yup, worked

15:46

and in lighter news today - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP

15:52

i see today's topic of discussion was neuroscience

15:52

are we going to continue discussing genetics and biology as though theres an expert in here

15:53

https://www.predictious.com/economics/bitcoin-vs-berkshire-hathaway-march-2015/300-bitcoins-worth-more

15:53

300 Bitcoins to be worth more than a share of Class A Berkshire Hathaway Stock on March 31st 2015 -

15:53

let's start by considering the question

15:54

whether above is parasitism or symbiosis

15:55

i can easily foresee the price end up between 300 and 315 and then predictious going down in flames

15:56

arbitrage opportunity at least

15:57

i think they already resell bitbet

15:57

and i propose a second bitbet - predictious shuttering by the same date

15:57

oh

15:59

lol

15:59

Mats_cd03: ninjashogun's an expert in all the fields. how dare you!

16:02

benkay, nice to see you have nothing better to do on a Sunday than trolling.

16:03

I'm no expert on neuroscience but I have sought out their opinions. Funny, the same as I've done here for financial info. The difference is that they didn't troll for it.

16:05

just having some fun at your expense

16:05

jurov it seems you supported haxors.

16:06

and they didn't change the link? interesting decision.

16:06

Mats_cd03, :)

16:07

you're cool Mats_cd03 . Actually you're all pretty cool but I may have to burn this nick and come back in two months if I want to hang out here. I've done that elsewhere. It's funny how the same people can be cool and total trolls.

16:07

its odd, but its wp, so not much surprise there.

16:08

i nearly set a stack of newspapers on fire today with a soldering iron

16:08

Mats_cd03, you weren't kidding about hardware :)

16:08

my proudest moment

16:08

is the guy from blockr.io here?

16:09

you can talk to me

16:09

I DEMAND REFUND

16:09

jurov :D

16:09

do you use blockchain.info as source?

16:09

i have the problem of a confirmed transformation that is shown as unconfirmed on bc.i and doesn't exist on blockr

16:09

i dunno source for what they should be but no

16:10

7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c

16:10

wait, this one is shown on blockr

16:10

9e575ffc126b339c81f5bcf511d23f5ae24ce1a7f961aeade1e2afe54ef30808

16:10

nvm

16:10

also there

16:11

took a second for the tx to propagate across nodes?

16:11

yea probably

16:11

the propagation sometimes sucks bad

16:11

but blockchain.info is still broken

16:12

yes i see it occassially too

16:12

https://blockchain.info/tx/7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c is unconfirmed vs. 2 conf in reality

16:12

Bitcoin Transaction 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c

16:12

so blockr pwnz?

16:12

or they are on a fork

16:12

re: mainframes

16:13

or you are on a fork

16:13

i like blockr

16:13

im on a chair

16:13

at my last job, all our customer databases were built in the 80s

16:13

most didn't bother with primary keys

16:13

lol

16:13

excel dbs for auth?

16:14

nah all AS/400

16:14

plaintext passwords tho D:

16:15

bc info is 4 block behind

16:15

jurov: maybe, but ... "real" block height: 292106, bc.i: 292102

16:15

yup

16:15

i consulted for a place once where all the user, admin passwords were plaintext and shared the same excel file as the auth for the hvac systems and scif

16:15

(i submitted the tx as raw on bci, that's why they are at least there)

16:16

i reported it after i left and two execs got fired months afterwards

16:16

#preventingthenextsnowden

16:16

:D

16:16

i reported plaintext passwords and the response was "yeah, we know"

16:16

#preventingnothing

16:17

worst place i ever worked

16:18

dealing with policies and procedures and bureaucratic garbage rather than doing my job

16:18

no ipods cause manning fucked that up for everybody

16:18

but yeah... opsec...

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0580001 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}

16:20

https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x its too quiet in here

16:20

I outted Karpeles a long time ago

16:21

http://varimja.tumblr.com/post/69360209766/bitcoin-a-concise-history

16:21

Mats_cd03, asciilifeform and mirceau-p's Cardano - a physical device that escrows private keys and signs documents passed to it over USB - stored passwords as plaintext on the theory that a loss or theft should be considered catastrophic anyway. So storing in plaintext means people will practice better opsec

16:21

*

jayk spit darts karpeles

16:21

stores*

16:21

wat

16:21

radan, so did MP

16:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06001436 = 0.12 BTC [-]

16:22

Mats_cd03, http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm

16:22

I don't doubt it

16:22

my analysis began and ended with "he's a jew"

16:22

I think that tells you everything about him, more or less

16:22

there was more than one egregious security offense in that event

16:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.06000641 = 0.6601 BTC [-] {7}

16:23

the man's basically a walking stereotype

16:23

mp is involved with cryptome?

16:23

nvm

16:23

they eschewed any preventive administrative controls

16:23

least privilege, separation of duties, leaving the damn thing on a shared network folder

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 711 @ 0.00301 = 2.1401 BTC [-] {5}

16:24

i understand what youre trying to say, pidgin and an infinite number of developers agree with that idea

16:24

that doesnt mean you stop layering security

16:24

speaking of security. in 8 days is the worldwide backup day :)

16:24

you know how spy tradecraft works?

16:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11222 @ 0.00094348 = 10.5877 BTC [-] {2}

16:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00298105 = 0.1043 BTC [-]

16:25

its not the techniques per se, its the obscurity in practice that evades detection

16:25

good track Mats_cd03

16:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00298102 = 0.2653 BTC [-]

16:26

must be nice knowing all those fancy crypto

16:26

things

16:26

you can probably store data very securely

16:26

lol

16:26

> This man is an Ashkenazi of French background living in Japan.

16:27

this reminded me of drake, the rapper

16:27

asciilifeform took great pains to explain not even host PC shouldn't be able to recognize it's cardano

16:27

a canadian jew in the rap game... luls

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}

16:29

if you're jewish, the world's your stage

16:30

there's friendly people in positions of power in every industry wanting to see you succeed

16:30

do you feel disenfranchised

16:31

very

16:31

they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it

16:31

this clearly helped karpales. look how great he's doing!

16:32

he's not in jail yet and he's got a lot of money.

16:32

I'd say he's doing well for himself

16:33

if only you had different genes, you could be rich too.

16:33

if only you weren't you.

16:33

Judaism isn't genetic

16:33

i'm talking about you.

16:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28635 @ 0.00094692 = 27.1151 BTC [+] {2}

16:34

I'm jewish by jewish law because my grandmother was a jew

16:34

race envy is terribly out of fashion

16:35

what a good argument against anything

16:35

"do you realize how unfashionable you're being"

16:35

<radan> they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it // some do

16:35

try this. do you realize you sound like a whiny child?

16:35

"the jews" have less power now than they have ever had at any time in history

16:36

lol karpeles is satoshi

16:36

i like this one

16:37

a single Jewish family controls 40% of sweden's enterprise

16:38

radan you're a muslim?

16:38

...

16:38

Mats_cd03: MOAR TRAXX

16:38

where did that come from

16:39

all the allah wankery on your blog

16:39

that's me making fun of muslims

16:39

get with the times, old man

16:40

hehe benkay, the track is indeed fine. i usually use di.fm for music :)

16:40

irony's the new hip thing

16:40

ah

16:40

if anyone is curious, it was akismet that ships default with wp.

16:40

needs more context, radan.

16:40

jews making fun of muslims lel

16:40

benkay: do you like happy by pharrell?

16:41

kako, the flawed plugin you mean ?

16:41

benkay: http://www.yourmusicradar.com/pharrell-happy-feat-the-notorious-b-i-g-dj-rob-dinero-remix/

16:41

Mats_cd03: kinda anemic.

16:41

anyway, I'm in the oil industry

16:41

possibly the industry where jewish connections can least help me

16:42

filthy capital intensive operations

16:42

and some kanye for the young bloods in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FtrbhfhWg

16:42

;;seen Vexual

16:42

Vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat

16:43

<radan> anyway, I'm in the oil industry << burn in hell, kafir

16:43

jk lol

16:43

Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/eatdatcake/caked-up-drop-that-original

16:44

ah kanye

16:44

that guy.

16:46

how's your son?

16:46

he make the team this year?

16:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299999 = 0.219 BTC [+]

16:46

Aw th-, they said he wasn't tall enough?

16:47

benkay: you've outed yourself, i can tell you do shitloads of drugs

16:47

not as many as i once did

16:47

shit to do these days.

16:48

cake up to wake up, sip that shit pass out or play playstation

16:48

i think im betraying my age... afk

16:49

you're coked to the gills in here regularly, Mats_cd03.

16:49

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/9371/20140323/germans-seize-cocaine-sent-to-vatican.htm

16:49

leastaways seems that way hurr hurr hurr

16:49

relevant yet unrelated photo of lines

16:49

youre only seeing the highlight reels

16:51

subject of the Vin Mariani the smart kids have introduced me to their new favorite habit of dissolving high-grade cocaine in high-test alcohol and eyedroppering it into their drinks

16:52

"smart".

16:52

and it was just one of them.

16:52

1880s state of the art!

16:52

everything old is new again.

16:54

i wonder if it reflects something about culture. leaving the boom/bust of pushing crystals through a delicate membrane for a more even dosage level over a longer period of time.

16:56

kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5862210#msg5862210 what happened here?

16:57

benkay: https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/down-the-road

16:57

oh lol

16:57

never mind.. it's a scam imposter site the guy mentioned

16:59

http://www.onr.navy.mil/~/media/Files/Fact-Sheets/35/Free-Electron-Laser-2012C.ashx

16:59

turns out putting nuclear reactors on ships is a great idea

17:00

(old news)

17:02

urgh

17:03

bci is catching up

17:03

jurov it happend 13 days ago. by the timing im guessing you hacked it, sent the money to yourself and now want a refund!

17:04

interesting. any evidence?

17:04

yes examining now

17:04

https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks << did they drop?

17:05

is there an alternative?

17:05

User__

do you guys trust https://blockchain.info ?

17:06

not anymore

17:06

it's buggy

17:06

User__

dexX7 how do you know? from the UI

17:06

until a few minutes ago blockchain.info was more than 6 blocks behind

17:06

and i confirm this with two nodes i run myself

17:06

and www.blockr.io :)

17:07

but i have no idea, how you could see that something is wrong, if you only look at blockchain.info itself

17:08

User__

what about as an online wallet?

17:09

at the very moment everything seems to be fine

17:09

well, worst case is probably that you are "behind". coins should never be at risk, especially because blockchain.info is not the holder of coins

17:10

you may export the privat keys from your online wallet, just in case

17:10

you should not be using online wallets at all

17:11

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/447467794729156608 why hold a meetup at all?

17:12

and if you do, you may look at: https://www.bitgo.com + https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://greenaddress.it/

17:14

fyi: checked the last 100+ blocks. blockchain.info is in sync

17:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00299 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {3}

17:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05799999 = 0.116 BTC [+]

17:17

cause bitcoiners wanna be famous and network too

17:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [+]

17:22

yes but would you go to an @aantonop meet up with no women?

17:23

jurov oh i see

17:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05700005 = 0.114 BTC [-]

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.057 = 0.912 BTC [-] {3}

17:28

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ippc-to-deliver-darkest-draft-yet/story-e6frg6so-1226862631968 via slashdot

17:28

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

17:28

lol

17:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-]

17:39

hi mircea_popescu, heard what's new on bitcoin-assets.com ?

17:39

jurov notrly ?

17:39

a donation addy

17:39

one kako did not knew about

17:40

he claims the wp was hacked

17:40

19 btc donated?

17:40

https://blockchain.info/address/1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb

17:40

Bitcoin Address 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb

17:41

no that's the right one afaik

17:41

that's the one linked at the bottom of the website

17:41

i had donated to 14uG7Qcu7riB9rthmmqjVVNn7gtGkZPFGC instead

17:41

kako fixed it

17:41

ah

17:42

fortunately only 0.1

17:42

i would worry more about a potential hack than 0.1 btc

17:42

BITCOIN-ASSETS LOGS STOLEN

17:43

OMG

17:43

wait what ?!

17:43

all teh gossip and slander available for the public!?

17:43

so how did the false addy end up there ?

17:44

last words were "still under investigation"

17:44

i did not know this.

17:46

dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised

17:47

so whichever of you guise did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu i still think wikipedia sucks.

17:47

the logs were not edited ( except for the shit-smeller part)

17:47

Apocalyptic: good point

17:49

it says there is no article of that name

17:50

any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept?

17:50

Do you think the bitcoin phenomenon counts as one?

17:53

i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable

17:54

mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented.

17:55

it is not repeatable, testable, or falsifiable

17:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00299 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}

17:55

it doesnt pass a test of any rigor known by science

17:55

kako said it was the akismet plugin for wordpress that allowed the hack.

17:56

hum, http://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&filter_page=1&filter_description=akismet&filter_exploit_text=&filter_author=&filter_platform=0&filter_type=0&filter_lang_id=0&filter_port=&filter_osvdb=&filter_cve=

17:56

only one known exploit for this, and it's from 2007...

17:58

I need money to start a business.

17:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0557 = 1.671 BTC [-]

17:58

i need business to start a money

17:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23843 @ 0.00095123 = 22.6802 BTC [+] {2}

17:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06299797 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}

17:59

I've got free money for invetipreneurities

18:01

CheckDavid, what kind of business ?

18:01

it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier

18:01

*

bounce puts down a high hat and fiddles a tune of big plans and obvious competence

18:01

Web business Apocalyptic . a different kind of job board

18:02

good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a

18:02

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#535777

18:02

#bitcoin-assets log

18:04

the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much

18:04

well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> trilema -> reddit -> mass media

18:05

good one, Mats_cd03. that's what i'm doing.

18:05

hi - I am attempting to make an introduction to someone who has LTC for sale (person I would introduce wants to buy ltc). (mid five figures in us fiat). Might someone here be interested?

18:05

JorgePasada does have a point, he does read a little bitter.

18:05

benkay: asscoins?

18:06

<Mats_cd03> i need business to start a money << hahaha epic.

18:06

you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros

18:07

Mats_cd03: derpy web apps

18:07

dexX7 not so sure reddit beats that all too often

18:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]

18:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 81 @ 0.05475965 = 4.4355 BTC [-] {8}

18:07

i guess it depends on degrees of separation from cat

18:08

is bitcoin an end or a means to an end

18:08

mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through

18:09

radan http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/

18:09

hahaha

18:09

I read it

18:09

JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense :

18:09

it makes sense logically, but judaism isn't a logical entity

18:09

we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality.

18:09

it involves ties of emotions, genetics, history, and shared experience

18:10

meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling"

18:10

none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate

18:10

people born before the 80s utterly suck at that

18:10

"how could he say i fuck donkeys in my spare time!111"

18:11

so in a sense, it's a quid pro quo, and taleb is captive of his generation.

18:11

I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing

18:12

especially that younger generations are much better at dealing with it

18:12

it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me

18:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.065999 = 0.66 BTC [+]

18:12

from the pr stuff. otherwise they end up moping and all indignant

18:12

"but how can they say that! THAT IS SO STUPID!!!"

18:14

Trying to tie something into this and make a salient point...

18:14

something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical

18:14

i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc.

18:15

do you pay workers in btc?

18:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095095 = 25.4855 BTC [-]

18:15

mostly yeah

18:16

do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so

18:17

i don't think anyone actually depends on it.

18:17

srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary

18:17

multiple divorces

18:17

lol

18:17

multiple children

18:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00299 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2}

18:18

hehe i guess so

18:19

and it's not only on this angle, either

18:19

old people are for some reason really really concerned with libel

18:19

to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1

18:19

as if, you know. everybody loves raymond or some shit.

18:20

but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do.

18:20

it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing.

18:20

one of the weird dichotomies coming out of the internet and the whole 'trolling' thing

18:21

Mats_cd03: u r a genius

18:21

Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives

18:21

whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v

18:21

that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves

18:21

the flip side of that is

18:21

it seems like it breaks a lot of kids

18:21

some of my younger cousins are throughly fucked up

18:21

the bill cosby problem

18:21

wearting their clothes backwards :D

18:21

myeah.

18:23

This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff

18:24

weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff

18:24

im not so sure about that.

18:24

take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks.

18:24

apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter.

18:24

I'd agree to that

18:24

in matters of style

18:25

or culture

18:25

nudity is style ?!

18:25

god I hope so

18:25

"all she got about her is the way that she walks...

18:25

cause she can't dance... she can't sing...

18:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2}

18:26

I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics

18:26

kind of more of a spectrum I guess

18:26

myeah

18:26

But I mean... hmm

18:26

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753362/plain/)

18:26

!b 1

18:26

that'll be like the -assets motto

18:27

I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone

18:27

I might, I dunno

18:27

interesting thing to think about

18:27

Mats_cd03 who knows, may even happen this year.

18:27

ideally it never happens

18:27

I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but...

18:27

yeah, ideally that

18:27

that being said, still glad I know how to shoot well

18:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065999 = 0.264 BTC [+]

18:31

are you allowed to carry concealed in your jurisdiction, JorgePasada?

18:32

mats_cd03: Yep, with a permit, which I have.

18:32

A bunch of restrictions on it though

18:32

murca!

18:33

murica: land of the free and guns

18:35

friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along

18:37

if you live in an unsafe area and are in need of home defense, find yourself an antique handgun or firearm: legal to own and unnecessary to declare to local LE in many jurisdictions

18:37

downsides: expensive, typically slow to reload, usually involves a grand jury investigation

18:38

whatever happened to hiring muscle?

18:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00297961 = 0.7628 BTC [-] {4}

18:38

!t h rent

18:38

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00541687 / 0.00556000 (1177 shares, 6.37565958 BTC), 7D: 0.00511800 / 0.00542967 / 0.00568690 (2166 shares, 11.76065904 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555978 / 0.00900001 (50129 shares, 278.70606449 BTC)

18:38

upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE

18:39

i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help

18:39

way better

18:40

definitely cheaper, certainly more enjoyable.

18:40

wow, RENT has been dipping below ipo already? and btc hasn't even gone up yet.

18:40

mhm

18:40

id be worried about my place of business being razed by 50 calibre rounds

18:40

Mats_cd03 just add steel plating in the walls.

18:40

dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams?

18:40

so ?

18:40

go for a hundred rounds/week average.

18:41

well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too

18:41

collect all the spent cartridges and have the local chicks make art

18:41

i saw an MRAP from afghanistan in a parade for st patricks day

18:41

benkay in a sane country, maybe. in the us, he's not worth the time.

18:42

it had been retrofitted for use by LE... i pooped myself

18:42

https://twitter.com/AltcoinInvest check it out ThickAsThieves

18:42

Altcoin Investments (AltcoinInvest) on Twitter

18:42

single tear.

18:42

i have seen those things get blasted by a buried 120mm shell and witnessed the driver walking away from the explosion

18:43

hey mircea_popescu wouldja invite @anjiecast to join us?

18:43

ya srsly

18:44

"Feminism is not a gulag–it’s not like there are guards that'll shoot you if you try to escape." http://time.com/30397/duke-porn-star-is-right-kink-can-be-a-feminist-choice/ … idk still skeptical

18:44

what's to be skeptical about ?

18:45

feminist slavegirls ftw.

18:45

fuck if i can figure out how to link to a specific tweet

18:45

well its twitter. i imagine she has to stake out some controversial stance.

18:46

american feminism is totally down with lifestyle bdsm man

18:46

right.

18:46

but on the internet, say anything off party line and get burnt.

18:47

far easier to have this conversation with the lady in question present.

18:48

wao-ende1

whats happening with vircurex?

18:48

well maybe she joins

18:48

so far i've noticed people tend to join when invited.

18:49

"Orphancoin has potential for real world adoption."

18:49

hehe

18:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00095095 = 23.2983 BTC [-]

18:49

is this a coin where every block's an orphan or is this a coin that will be "airdropped" on orphans

18:50

it'll be airdropped on mommies and daddies that love each other very much

18:51

umm

18:51

wait, it's a "trade children currency" ?

18:51

bejesus.

18:52

slavecoin!

18:53

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

↖

18:53

Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm

18:53

myeah.

18:53

isnt katecraig's name "Wood"?

18:53

scam!

18:54

"we seek to create a list of gullible idiots"

18:56

lol no, it's an actual law firm from like missouri iirc

18:56

modern day ambulance chasers, they mostly work injury and consumer claims

18:58

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/215mbl/psa_dont_losebreak_your_phone_if_youre_doing_2fa/

18:58

how's this for a PSA: back up your fuckin phone

18:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00094938 = 26.2978 BTC [-] {2}

18:59

not as though 2fa really helps if your counterparties are incompetent

18:59

;;google cascadian hacker 2fa

18:59

No matches found.

18:59

wat

19:00

not that it's the best solution, but doesn't the Authy app store 2fa in their "cloud"

19:00

http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html

19:00

Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain.info complicit in 2FA compromise

19:03

princessnell as opposed to eskimo nell ?

19:04

fun fact, "eskimo" is a derogatory term in canada

19:05

eh everything's a derogatory term somewhere

19:05

nod

19:05

but eskimo nell's a thing.

19:05

;;google "eskimo nell"

19:05

The Ballad of Eskimo Nell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Eskimo_Nell>; Eskimo Nell - Rugby Songs Home: <http://www.rugbysongs.net/028%20Eskimo%20Nell.htm>; The Ballad of Eskimo Nell: <http://www.low.net.au/eskimo.html>

19:05

afaik the literal translation of eskimo is "eater of raw meat"

19:06

and this caused some consternation from the inhabitants of canada's north

19:06

well... they look like they eat the meat raw...

19:06

it's totally a thing

19:06

:D

19:06

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/governor-general-applauded-denounced-for-eating-raw-seal/article4292531/

19:06

Governor-General applauded, denounced for eating raw seal - The Globe and Mail

19:07

i wonder how long before southpark starts idling in here to crib material for furhter episodes.

19:07

nubbins` actually you know what ? fuck! you don't need to make a quarterly \book or w/e

19:07

you need to make a shitty cartoon

19:07

like sorta-parodic mockery of assets

19:08

imagine, a haitian woman becomes the queen's representative in canada, and flies up north to eat raw meat with people who take offense at being called eaters of raw meat

19:08

anyway, some noob exploited aksimet default shipping plugin, changed the address and left everything behind. this happened 13 days ago. everything else checks out.

19:08

that's a storyline right there

19:08

HHFT of bitcoin

19:08

kakobrekla sheeeit

19:09

0.1 btc a dignity is lost.

19:09

do you even php

19:09

do you even pcp

19:09

i sometimes pgp...

19:09

since today on i have a dedicated wp secretary

19:09

things will improve!

19:10

said garr

19:10

cut your cock off and get implants!

19:10

btw, speaking of butterfly abs :

19:10

http://25.media.tumblr.com/61464935f76488c88a645bb814fe9938/tumblr_mg8i4jh6AC1s0ece5o1_1280.jpg

19:12

jurov your addy?

19:12

https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ?

19:12

Andrea Castillo (anjiecast) on Twitter

19:13

butterfly labes

19:13

butterfly lobes

19:13

fuck mircea_popescu it's rattling around somewhere in my brain...

19:14

phf

dali and man ray

19:14

"your head's very small and the brain's rattling around"

19:14

yesssssss

19:14

oi.

19:14

lol

19:14

phf ty :)

19:14

princessnell: are you the just-linked anjiecast?

19:15

more usefully : hey princessnell, to talk you write in the bar to the bottom of the screen and press enter.

19:15

i always forget that

19:16

by the way : here's dali saying romania is the best there is

19:16

http://trilema.com/2011/radu-varia/

19:16

Radu Varia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:17

well the pit is prepared for his afternoon training. i'm off to make him a better dog.

19:17

i had a prof for vector calculus named oana radu

19:17

what's the online wallet with the best reputation?

19:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BvtmDcv_U

19:17

Oana Radu & Dr Mako feat. Eli - Tu - YouTube

19:17

that chick ?

19:18

ninjashogun: web wallets are anathema.

19:18

(oana is top 20 frequency name for a girl, radu is top 50 or so frequency for a boy. gypsyes in the south keep calling themselves firstname-firstname)

19:18

nope

19:18

holy #$@ mirceau you sure know how to pick them. But I would never go for a woman with such an intellectually provocative public profile. Only the ones who keep that to themselves (as I do). makes everything easier :) :)

19:19

http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-2643/videos/

19:19

Death - Live at Amoeba Music

19:19

^

19:19

also, anyone who lists "psychology" as an interest is dead to me. They are beyond crazy, and without exception. I don't know a single marker as predictive of mental instability as interest in psychology.

19:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05261133 = 0.1578 BTC [-] {2}

19:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526 = 0.1052 BTC [-] {2}

19:24

;;seen moiety

19:24

moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <moiety> i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!

19:24

;;seen izzy_

19:24

izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 9 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Izzy_> ok

19:24

long weekend in pennsylvania ?

19:27

<mircea_popescu> https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? /// Dali

19:27

as per the log :p

19:27

oh

19:27

i was mostly messing with benkay

19:28

and successfully i might add :D

19:28

mp you look pretty hardcore with that shaved head and beard now

19:29

why ty

19:29

first time shaved?

19:29

is it itchy?

19:29

SO CONFUS

19:30

i often shave in teh summer

19:30

but atm i look more like the old pic than this new one

19:31

as long as you maintain a hint of rabbi, i'm cool with it

19:31

:)

19:31

lol

19:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526059 = 0.1052 BTC [+]

19:35

"In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession."

19:35

heh

19:35

In the 15th and 16th Centuries, apprentice riots in London became more common, with the mob targeting foreigners including the Flemish and Lombards. On May Day in 1517, the call to riot was shouted out - "Prentices and clubs!" - and a night of looting and violence followed that shocked Tudor England.

19:35

By this time, the city was swelling with apprentices, and the adult population was finding them more difficult to control, says Barbara Hanawalt. As early death from infectious disease became rarer the apprentices faced a long wait to take over from their masters. "You've got quite a number of young men who are in apprenticeships who have got no hope of getting a workshop and a business of their own," says Jeremy Goldb

19:35

erg. "You've got numbers of somewhat disillusioned and disenfranchised young men, who may be predisposed to challenging authority, because they have nothing invested in it."

19:36

such progres. much wow.

19:36

(hint : the english crown did not survive)

19:38

mircea_popescu: 'the answers lie in the sewers'

19:38

quite

19:38

benkay dude you didn't scare the woman off in private did you ?

19:40

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424552.msg5864381#msg5864381

19:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526079 = 0.1052 BTC [-]

19:40

Is betsofbitcoin.in dead?

19:40

easy to compare oneself with dead horse

19:41

kakobrekla amusingly... that's actually the shit mpoe-pr references.

19:41

they got pushed by zero hedge and made like... half a btc or somesuch

19:43

dunno whats the bigger problem, the service or the audience

19:43

"Definitely no one on this forum gets any credit whatsoever. You're all idiots."

19:43

so either way really.

19:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065999 = 0.198 BTC [+]

19:51

.d

19:51

4.250 billion | Next Diff in 183 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8880% in 1d 0h 59m 38s

19:57

see i said 16% was too low!

19:57

(for the bet)

19:58

unverified unknown just xpasting http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c2qWB3nU

19:59

(by your favorite gossip supplier)

20:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002999 = 0.3299 BTC [+]

20:10

kakobrekla who is this ?

20:10

i dunno some bullshit

20:10

someone from reddit i think

20:10

^

20:11

heh

20:11

[20:32:13] <groun0> i have 13000 bitcoin for sale

20:12

just another day for -otc

20:13

jborkl

So vicurex pulled a Gox now

20:13

on another note, 300: Rise of an Empire is shit-terrible and not even worth pirating

20:14

tfluk

20:28

mircea_popescu: must be off my feed or out of practice or something

20:28

or getting trolled hard. who can ever tell.

20:28

stby

20:30

every day.

20:31

AusBitBank

mircea_popescu, love your work on those SEC responses. Please keep us updated

20:32

aite.

20:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6444137 = 4.5109 BTC [+] {5}

20:36

do any of y'all work out

20:37

only in bed lately

20:38

i used to ride my bike now i cant find it and mp sez its bad anyway

20:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00646272 = 0.4847 BTC [+] {8}

20:38

i used to work out a lot more, not I'm mainly into yoga an rock climbing

20:39

now*

20:39

rock climbing is nothing compared to bowling

20:40

uhhhh I love bowling

20:40

it's a rush

20:40

I wouldn't go that far, but I joined a bowling league a couple years ago and had quite a great time

20:41

scores were all handicapped so it's mainly just how your team does vs. their average

20:42

yeah, i'm definitely down for some rock climbing

20:42

bawling

20:42

bicycling is bad for the pudendal nerve

20:43

I wouldn't touch a bicycle except I have to go from class to class within ten minutes

20:43

which is impossible without biking

20:44

you said it man

20:46

I've heard you just have to get up off the seat every 30 seconds vs 2 minutes of riding on the seat

20:46

mircea_popescu kakobrekla radan: http://www.bycycleinc.com/

20:47

> TX police bike patrol ride the BiSaddle

20:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00094985 = 1.5198 BTC [+]

20:47

does it shoot cannons?

20:47

That's awesome

20:48

morning

20:48

$250.00/350.00 plus shipping

20:49

guess I'll have to settle for impotence

20:49

lol

20:49

small price to prevent DAMMIT

20:49

you know what it is?

20:49

i only had one cup of coffee today.

20:49

shoulda chain smoked like 20 cigarettes to make up for it

20:50

Mats_cd03: I knew it, too bad

20:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00094953 = 6.3619 BTC [-]

20:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00094953 = 10.3499 BTC [-]

20:56

Every time bitcoin starts dropping I want to buy more...

20:56

;;market

20:56

Error: "market" is not a valid command.

20:56

what the fuck was it

20:56

;;price

20:56

Error: "price" is not a valid command.

20:56

;;ticker

20:56

;;derp

20:56

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.93, Best ask: 560.24, Bid-ask spread: 2.31000, Last trade: 560.25, 24 hour volume: 6430.26159447, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 562.954568291

20:56

Error: "derp" is not a valid command.

20:56

a ty

20:56

derp is not a command!!!

20:56

wowee five fiddy

20:56

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/

20:56

Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post

20:57

seriously I've been buying more and more bitcoins this week

20:57

wast it closer to 500 ?

20:57

TestingUnoDosTre: wait until it tests 500

20:57

no mircea_popescu it's had support at 550

20:57

aok

20:57

?The reports [from the contractor] just asserted that they had written X lines of code. .?.?. For an executive, that?s just invisible; you don?t know what it means,? said Curtis Smith, who oversaw retirement processing from 1989 to 1994. He was a longtime federal employee with a PhD in English literature, supervising a massive technology project. ?I had no idea [if] they were making progress from month to month. And I just sort of took it on

20:57

faith that they could make it work,? Smith said. ?And they never did.?

20:57

;;@-#

20:57

Error: "@-#" is not a valid command.

20:57

Ahhhh I had bought some the other week at like 450, but I was just so squeemish

20:57

decimation it's been here b4 you know

20:58

lol sorry, ascii posted yet yesterday

20:59

fricken Western Union wouldn't let me wire funds to bitstamp... not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing

21:00

TestingUnoDosTre: why don't you do it over -otc?

21:00

make your initial btc buy the right way, then put those btc on bitstamp for trading.

21:00

I'm new to this

21:00

oh i thought you'd been around for a few months.

21:01

I've been watching btc, hanging around the forum for a couple years, but only started purchasing recently

21:01

so all the methods, other than a deal for cash, are new to me

21:01

the best way to fund a bitstamp account is with btc :D

21:01

-otc: "over the counter".

21:02

I understand the definition...

21:02

;;herp

21:02

Error: "herp" is not a valid command.

21:02

but is it like cash wire, or in person, or what

21:02

hey BingoBoingo

21:02

heya

21:02

go ask in -otc, TestingUnoDosTre. have cash ready on the spot, or else they won't want to bother with you.

21:02

typically western union, perfect money.

21:03

but how is it scamproof?

21:03

well, that's the web of trust

21:03

;;gettrust mircea_popescu

21:03

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

21:03

scuse me for a sec

21:03

.bait

21:03

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8nixdbFYl1qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg

21:03

yuck

21:03

benkay: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/montell-jordan-this-is-how

21:04

see, mircea_popescu and i have rated each other. you can also look at my profile and see with whom i've traded btc.

21:04

ahhh I've got to go do some reading

21:04

Mats_cd03: good remix

21:04

i can't believe that I don't have an -otc essay

21:05

i like it better than the original tbh

21:05

Alright, but here is what I don't understand. Didn't pirateeat40 or whatever his sn was have a good WoT rating?

21:05

sure.

21:05

different risk profiles, though.

21:05

whats difficult to understand

21:06

one scenario, someone's promising 7% a month or something crazy.

21:06

another scenario, someone's committing to sending you btc for your moneypak or whatever.

21:06

yes, but couldn't someone just build up a WoT with small transactions and then run off with a medium transaction

21:06

if their reputation is solid enough, they don't really benefit from ripping you off for 1k.

21:06

sure

21:07

so ask around.

21:07

get to know the humans.

21:07

do your due dilligence.

21:07

What about cash trade in a metro?

21:07

it'll take time

21:07

this isn't an internet thing where there's a great big easy buy button.

21:07

THIS IS BITCOIN

21:07

so corny

21:07

how was elysium, Mats_cd03?

21:08

TestingUnoDosTre: f2f is far safer.

21:08

like halo but with mark damon and rail guns

21:08

er,

21:08

whatever his name is

21:08

merp derpin

21:08

TestingUnoDosTre you gotta read the girl's write-up on the wot

21:08

elysium ( the movie) was suprisingly mediocre

21:08

f2f?

21:08

i thought it was unsurprisingly mediocre

21:08

Mats_cd03: you might enjoy a book /Leviathan Wakes/

21:09

TestingUnoDosTre: face to face

21:09

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871

21:09

there

21:09

Reputation system?

21:09

ill add it to my list of things to read

21:09

gribble has a wiki

21:09

;;google aws wordpress ami

21:09

WordPress powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007IP8BKQ>; Tutorial: Hosting a WordPress Blog with Amazon EC2 - Documentation: <http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/hosting-wordpress.html>; WordPress Multisite powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007OXRX74>

21:09

pizza porn: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/31/worlds-largest-pizzas/

21:09

yah I would feel much more confident in a face to face situation

21:10

always

21:10

https://soundcloud.com/flume/disclosure-you-me-flume-remix

21:10

this is what classifies as corny, for the record https://soundcloud.com/alunageorge/this-is-how-we-do-it

21:10

TestingUnoDosTre: check out how long they've had a ns registration

21:10

thats telling

21:11

I'm 10+ years not going anywhere

21:11

fucking lol TestingUnoDosTre

21:11

okay this will probably illustrate how niave I am, but what's with gnupg keys asking for real names and email addresses?

21:11

'balls'

21:11

what of it ?

21:11

real names and email addresses are not personal information

21:12

or particularly sensitive

21:12

gotcha

21:12

TestingUnoDosTre: It's just questions that it asks, because it can put that information in the public key if you want it there.

21:13

TestingUnoDosTre: Works just find if you leave the information out as well

21:13

I was thinking that I would much rather have a higher WoT rating with a key that did not contain my name and email

21:13

why ?

21:13

(honest q)

21:13

It also makes no claim to the authenticity of the information. You can make the key for Doc McStuffins if you wanted.

21:13

Because I don't want my name following around my transactions or what not

21:13

TestingUnoDosTre: If you want to get really fancy you can embed a photo in your public key too.

21:13

eh, you can't afford true anonymity, TestingUnoDosTre.

21:14

TestingUnoDosTre this is roughly the equivalent of someone not pushing a button because it has "buttsex" written on it.

21:14

consider how you might leverage a strong WoT identity that you explictly control.

21:14

If I go and buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, then buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, I would much rather have no name associated with the transactions

21:14

the buttsex and the button are nowhere connected

21:14

I would however pay handsomely for a buttsex button that worked as advertised.

21:14

craigslist ?

21:14

diametric wants to be buttsecksd

21:15

on demand

21:15

haha

21:15

can't be that hard

21:15

what about craigslist?

21:15

anyway, the point being that whether your name is or is not associated with a list of txn is not contingent on you typing the name in the gpg key gen process

21:15

with craigslist, I can tell someone that my name is Joe schmoe, I'll be wearing this or that, and meet me at the coffee shop

21:15

's where the buttsecks be, TestingUnoDosTre.

21:15

you could make a key and baptise it mircea popescu right nao

21:16

I understand that

21:16

so I already created one with my real name and real email

21:16

you could probably buy btc off the craig too

21:16

I'm wondering if I should generate another pair that doesn't have that info

21:16

more keys can't hurt anything

21:16

dilutes the attention paid to any given pair.

21:17

your future wot 'value' is a function of who's rated you, what #, and how long ago.

21:17

Alright I'm good on that for the time being

21:17

Ive got another question reguarding signing up for a VPN

21:18

I feel like I'm in a chicken or the egg scenario. I want to sign up for a vpn, paying with bitcoin, and linking it to an anonymous email address

21:19

do I have to go create the email address first, then sign up for the vpn?

21:19

hit any of them with your real IP once and it's over why bother?

21:19

yes

21:19

jborkl

You can watch Italian youtube

21:19

so a VPN is only good when I'm not using my home ISP?

21:20

I know that you should ALWAYS use a vpn

21:20

its not at all clear what are you trying to accomplish.

21:20

well it depends why you are using a vpn

21:20

I'm simply trying to browse the web anonymously

21:20

without knowing what you want to do hard to advise

21:20

use tor

21:21

VPN through TOR

21:21

that's what I'm trying to do

21:21

ok

21:21

jborkl

Tor is so slow

21:21

but if I sign up for a vpn with my normal email address

21:21

that just ruins the whole thing

21:21

use Tor to sign up

21:21

benkay: https://soundcloud.com/saintmotel/my-type-1

21:21

and get an anon email address also with Tor

21:21

anonymous in what sense ? so the sites can't serve you "tailored" adsense ?

21:21

download tor, sign up for anonymous email address, then pay for vpn?

21:22

let's just say I don't even want anyone to know I just went into a search engine and searched for bitcoin

21:22

not quite sure if that's a good example

21:22

they are in fact out to get you.

21:22

sigh

21:23

I block that crap with a good HOSTS file, my trackign blocking browser extensions have like nothing to do... http://hosts-file.net/

21:23

I'm not afraid of anyone out to get me

21:23

"no one"

21:23

I'm more into understanding how to actually browse anonymously

21:23

*

MisterE is with benkay on this one

21:23

tor doesn't actually work, in general.

21:23

eh?

21:23

tor works it's 99.9% a PEBCAC issue

21:24

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/216zuo/what_mtgox_and_vircurex_has_taught_us/

got to use it right

21:24

BCB

21:24

nothing?

21:24

lol

21:24

so true

21:25

haha :)

21:25

anyone considering using tor for whatsoever purpose should... measure not 7, but 47 times, and cut - preferably not even once

21:25

unless you have read the source (at least, the protocol spec) and understand the limitations

21:25

that people are greedy and do stupid stuff.

21:26

yea you mess up once and all the work you've done to be anon is over

21:26

case in point sabu

21:27

sabu?

21:27

heh sabu, damn rat

21:27

logged into a channel just like this one by accident from home once

21:27

he's the one who cooperated witht he feds

21:27

rather than his vpn

21:27

yep all it takes is 1 mistake

21:27

hit that email once from home oops

21:27

and rather suddenly a rude man in a shit suit shows up for an interview unannounced

21:27

'the sapper errs once.'

21:27

are you a sapper asciilifeform

21:28

unlike DPR

21:28

lol

21:28

who was like walking around SF carrying a sign that read BUST ME in neon letters

21:28

Mats_cd03: nope. but every russian kid knows that proverb

21:28

lol

21:28

I'm a yank, tell me

21:28

err seppo

21:29

i see

21:29

MisterE: :)

21:29

there's a variation on the proverb where 'the sapper errs twice. once - when choosing profession'

21:29

Gevork Vartanian?

21:30

http://img15.nnm.ru/a/4/3/8/1/3061a891b67df7c0d028010c4a6_prev.jpg

21:32

ahh a sapper is a mine clearer

21:32

a sapper is a combat engineer

21:32

http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb0b50c4486e1cb47437440c08420753/tumblr_mnatxiXCMX1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

21:32

Like sappers, underground agents err only once” --Gevork Vartanian

21:32

there is rarely anyone whose only duty is to clear mines

21:33

right one of their jobs is clearing mines

21:33

(with the possible exception of certain prisoners)

21:33

heh

21:33

<Mats_cd03> a sapper is a combat engineer << that's what google told me too

21:34

a soldier responsible for tasks such as building and repairing roads and bridges, laying and clearing mines, etc.

21:34

American Heritage dic

21:34

sounds like one hell of a job

21:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05339 = 0.1602 BTC [-]

21:36

For many it's either that or selling crack on the corner

21:36

where I come from

21:36

pretty easy job as i understand it

21:37

;;google trilema drug dealer

21:37

What the drug trade is, how the drug trade works and why ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/>; Forbes, now with a little extra ESL and a whole lot of extra ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/forbes-now-with-a-little-extra-esl-and-a-whole-lot-of-extra-stupid>; Law enforcement never fails to (1 more message)

21:37

step 1) sit in a hot vehicle moving at 5kph waiting for a bomb to explode

21:37

until its not heh. I'd rather be a cook in the military

21:37

they get all the perks

21:37

step 2) go to 1

21:40

was that first page written before the transfer to english?

21:41

well as you can see it's written in english

21:42

hmmm, must have clicked on the wrong one

21:42

if your client broke the url, you'll get a random page.

21:43

wait how did i get roped into doing trilema support

21:43

:D

21:43

benkay victorian ai / army ?

21:44

til mircea_popescu is actually a composite personality of a bunch of humans educated by some well engineered weak ai

21:44

also chtulhy

21:49

Who recommended Leviathon awakes?

21:49

o/

21:49

it's simply "Wakes"

21:49

*

21:51

...

21:51

Just wondering what you thought of 2001: a space odessy

21:52

feeling kinda dated at this point, but i haven't read it in at least a decade and you might not want to take a dependency on my notions of things at that age.

21:53

haha aright. I just got through it and thought it was absolutely spectacular

21:53

you may get a kick out of LW then. moderately more populated solar system; better understanding of biology etc.

21:53

one of the antagonists is a corrupt operating system... can't get much better than that

21:53

oooh

21:54

there were several books in the Space Odessy series worth reading too.

21:54

I had no clue it was a series

21:55

authors have this dirty habit of milking their creative work for decades.

21:55

it's even enjoyable for the reader sometimes. other times..."read recycled books! they're easy to write, and read good!"

21:56

it's mostly the publishers

21:56

If it ain't broke, don't quit it

21:59

Mats_cd03: Saint Motel passes the babe test.

21:59

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EEDD1138E633A25751C1A96E9C946496D6CF

21:59

BIG YACHT NOW JUNK AFTER 6 WEEKS' USE - Sea Call's Monel Metal-Steel Hull Ruined by Electrolysis, B

21:59

Mats_cd03: this means i must ban it from the house.

22:00

whats the babe test

22:00

Aluminum hull?

22:01

that song is on a playlist entitled, 'dongs'

22:01

monel.

22:01

oh no steel wow, mig mistake

22:01

US had a terrible time with it and their new Aluminum hulled boats

22:02

still a problem as of a year or so ago

22:02

Electrolysis

22:02

"It was said that the boat could have been made as good as new by putting on a new steel bottom, but that apparently Mr. Cochran preferred not to do that."

22:02

you don't say.

22:03

www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates/

22:03

babe test. babe likes it. only hemisarcastic.

22:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]

22:06

nope, still not following

22:07

there is a babe in my house.

22:07

you savvy?

22:07

ok got it

22:07

this babe likes some musics.

22:07

savvy?

22:08

i hear you loud and clear captain jack

22:08

this is the babe test of previous mention.

22:08

this music you linked passes the babe test, ergo i must burn it with fire and expunge from my area.

22:09

implying some small difference in tastes that i only noticed when the babe came by to apply her test.

22:10

https://soundcloud.com/hozier/angel-of-small-death-the

22:11

i like to think my taste in music is accessible

22:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05230534 = 0.3138 BTC [-] {2}

22:12

benkay: stop being weird

22:13

I have a playlist I tell each one I made just for them

22:13

hahahaha

22:14

thought this one was a nice remake with chance the rapper https://soundcloud.com/mapei/dont-wait-remix-mapei-chance

22:15

i like what -assets has become

22:15

mostly its me, i love me

22:15

yea I come to like this group

22:15

self love is healthy

22:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00094953 = 10.7306 BTC [-]

22:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06687499 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {4}

22:19

https://soundcloud.com/two-door-cinema-club/two-door-cinema-club-next-year-rac

22:20

sorry for the caps, but RAC IS THE BEST

22:20

wow i hate bitcoin.. and linux. so i invested quite some time to figure out how to dump a leveldb database over a shitty putty console only to realize that the result wasn't what i was looking for <_<"

22:21

rephrased: i hate myself for being such a newb

22:21

Mats_cd03: can you hit me with something non-lyrics-y to which i can read source and documentation?

22:21

dexX7: scp not a choice for some reason?

22:21

anyone here make a run at any of the matasano crypto challenges?

22:21

scp?

22:21

secure copy

22:21

man scp

22:22

benkay: i dunno... instrumentals or electronic? i like to listen to trance while coding

22:22

trance is good

22:22

well, acceptable.

22:22

:D

22:22

dexX7: i'm assuming all sorts of shit like you're running *nix etc

22:22

this one is my favorite rac track, his wife singing over the radiohead cover https://soundcloud.com/rac

22:22

https://soundcloud.com/rac/rac-climbing-up-the-walls-ft-liz-anjos *

22:23

i'm not. that's probably the root problem :)

22:23

ick yea good luck cuz.

22:24

benkay: https://soundcloud.com/jimipaul/james-holden-balance-disc-one theres a few samples with lyrics in that but i think theyre short

22:25

thanks, yo

22:25

Pretty lights also has a lot of stuff where the lyrics are kind of morphed so you don't pay attention to them quite as much, but some if it's a little dubsteppy / up tempo

22:25

mostly i just listen to tchaikovsky and paul hindensmith

22:25

hindesmith rather

22:27

Paul Kalkbrenner is also a champ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFs3OXR9mQ

22:27

Mats_cd03: hindemith?

22:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00095072 = 32.5146 BTC [+] {5}

22:29

german composer

22:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHGntqx5Yw

22:29

Paul Hindemith: Mathis der Maler Symphony (1933-1934) - YouTube

22:29

man the high hats on that shit make my earballs wince

22:29

rather famous

22:29

are you wearing headphones?

22:29

nah

22:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00094953 = 8.7357 BTC [-]

22:31

i liked the radiohead cover

22:32

Used to smoke after work and listen to the original, the RAC mix, and this Easystar version as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axs8-9u5qbY

22:32

Mats_cd03: what kind of work do you do?

22:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64497 = 1.9349 BTC [+] {2}

22:36

benkay: reading -assets and reversing firmware

22:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.64499861 = 18.705 BTC [+] {3}

22:37

i was clean shaven and employable as an IT consultant/pen tester once, now im self employed

22:37

you?

22:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.64682663 = 3.881 BTC [+] {3}

22:38

derpy web apps dot butts

22:38

high end technical consulting to old farts with companies who'd rather lean on me and my boys than run their own shit

22:39

http://eudyptula-challenge.org/

22:39

good, i hope youre doubling the rate every hour

22:39

benkay, tell me what you think of this kalkbrenner track without lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnj9qgkXOJc

22:40

thestringpuller: awesome

22:41

thestringpuller: neat find

22:41

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0052525 = 1.0505 BTC [-] {4}

22:41

TestingUnoDosTre: meh

22:41

no good?

22:41

Mats_cd03: yeah. up to 115 from 80 fall.

22:41

last* fall.

22:42

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00012342 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {10}

22:43

company's only been around for 8 months or so, so i consider that good progress.

22:44

thestringpuller, I was thinking of doing this edx course intro to linux, do you think that challenge you posted would be more timeworthy?

22:45

there's about a light year between hacking on the kernel and using linux, TestingUnoDosTre.

22:45

hmmph

22:45

it depends what it is you want to learn

22:46

Learn C

22:46

do you want to know how to move around in the filesystem? edx

22:46

I'm wondering whether I need to throw time at something more introductory before jumping in

22:46

I've done some programming with C in an assembly course and some embedded C in a robotics course, but I am mechanical engr by background

22:47

's also a question of what you want to *do* with computers.

22:48

that challenge is for the 0.001% of programmers that want to use asm on a daily basis and probably possess masochistic tendencies

22:48

what's the consensus on dog and light coins

22:48

consensus?

22:49

masochistic is a bit too strong

22:49

I'm mostly interested in playing around with controllers a la beagleboard

22:49

I once wrote a crackme entirely in ASM, was fun

22:49

like

22:49

what do y'all think about it

22:50

doge has infinite deflation

22:50

but I also play around with android phones via xda, and I'm not content with just downloading someone else's kernel or firmware and not really understanding the different between a stock android

22:50

is that good or bad

22:51

lite is notoriously suspect to manipulation

22:51

sry infinite inflation

22:51

gosh radan why is bitcoin so awesome?

22:51

ummm

22:51

heh

22:51

cause I put money into it

22:51

looks like you kinda miss the point

22:51

and if it doesn't succeed I'm fucked

22:51

I mean

22:51

you can go all "free markets" and "crypto" "things"

22:52

what about the cap in bitcoins produced...

22:52

that's one of the greatest things

22:53

sorry, I just didn't want to wait for him to say it :/

22:53

okay, so there's a cap

22:53

what does that mean

22:53

you broke socrates, TestingUnoDosTre

22:53

besides the obvious

22:53

It mean's the rate of inflation is defined

22:53

whereas with doge, not so

22:53

what happens when you have 20 dollars, and there are 1b dollars today, and 1.01b dollars tomorrow?

22:54

they're worth less, assuming everything else stays constant

22:54

mhm.

22:54

In engineering they never had to say that, it was just implied

22:55

so dogecoin will infinitely inflate

22:55

because its not capped

22:55

is that right?

22:55

what do you think?

22:55

I don't know if infinite is quite the best word for it, but it's pretty much like the USD

22:55

there's more always being tossed in the pool

22:56

the USD is pegged by a shadowy consortium of unelected figures

22:56

I don't think dogecoin has a regulatory body

22:56

what does mean "pegged"?

22:56

not what I was getting at

22:56

;;ud pegging

22:56

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt.

22:56

Urban Dictionary: pegging

22:56

simply talking about the supply increasing

22:56

hahahahahah

22:56

;;ud eiffel tower

22:56

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20eiffel%20tower | ... two men join hands above the woman to form what looks the Eiffel Tower. " Sweet dude, Let's give Linda The Eiffel Tower tonight!" by Boobtube April 24, 2006.

22:56

Urban Dictionary: the eiffel tower

22:56

the fed decides what USD will cost on a given day, as I understand it

22:57

I don't know what cost means in that context

22:57

in that sense, the dollar could be said to be pegged by the shadowy group of people in #bitcoin-assets

22:57

hahahahaha

22:57

is the USD the man in that situation?

22:57

or one of our wimmins, if we're sticking to the literal interpretation.

22:58

so why does ltc get manipulated

22:58

but btc doesn't

22:58

more of a scale thing than a boolean thing, radan.

22:58

I dunno

22:58

doesn't satoshi hold like 1/4 of all the btc

22:59

has he spent any?

22:59

he problie just drunkenly tossed his keys

22:59

your guess is as good as mine

22:59

no guessing allowed. you have a blockchain and can answer this question for yourself now.

22:59

better, in fact

22:59

well

22:59

we don't know how many addresses he used

22:59

we do though

23:00

I've got a question though benkay

23:00

assuming you met satoshi in person and trusted him

23:00

could he not just sell you a usb drive with the keys on it, and let you hold onto them

23:00

radan: req'd reading: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009

23:01

?

23:01

TestingUnoDosTre: ^^

23:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05321 = 0.2661 BTC [+]

23:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

23:04

ok

23:04

I read it

23:05

and some more

23:05

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/

23:05

Satoshi’s Machine: One Mystery is solved and another one opens | bitslog

23:06

everything about bitcoin on bitslog is worth at least a perusal.

23:06

sooo

23:06

karpeles, szabo, circle k, and nakamoto are all one person with theoretically infinite wealth

23:06

am I reading it right

23:07

who knows is the point

23:07

well

23:07

all I know is I bought 1.75 btc with my life savings last november

23:07

and I hope they continue to increase in price

23:07

maybe it'll even reach 10K per

23:08

2k?

23:08

3k?

23:08

buddy you gotta get back to work lol

23:08

bitcoin ain't gonna make you rich

23:08

I'm a college kid

23:08

until I graduate, pocket money is all I've got to play with

23:08

cold wallet. forget about it. learn to earn.

23:09

I'll earn when I graduate

23:09

ideally, stop accruing debt - that'll make you more than 2BTC ever will.

23:09

maybe. not likely.

23:09

I don't have any debt

23:09

I went to a public uni

23:09

with scholarships

23:09

and shit

23:09

and what valuable skills are you developing?

23:09

petroleum engineers are forecast to be making hella money once we graduate

23:09

hah yeah

23:09

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/petroleum-engineers.htm

23:09

rough life man.

23:10

it's rough until then ;__;

23:10

but, more to the point, I do think this btc thing has potential

23:10

else I wouldn't have invested in it

23:10

lol cool

23:10

back when I first heard about bitcoin

23:10

back in 2011 or 12

23:11

I read that first loper-os article and I don't think it answers my question.

23:11

TestingUnoDosTre: don't know that i understood your question.

23:11

radan if i might offer a slightly different perspective, you didn't invest in Bitcoin - you bought some bitcoins.

23:12

So satoshi has a whole boat load of 50 BTC addresses. Couldn't he just sell a flash drive with the private key of one address without crashing bitcoin

23:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05329999 = 0.1066 BTC [+]

23:12

I knew a guy in Romania who ran a computer cafe

23:12

they are all being tracked and it would be instant news

23:12

he mined btc on the side

23:13

I do understand that

23:13

wonder how rich he is today

23:13

but let's say you trust someone you're selling to

23:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00094953 = 1.0701 BTC [-]

23:13

at this juncture id expect the price to fall if it was to happen

23:13

TestingUnoDosTre: every day i don't move those coins elsewhere is a day of risking not having them.

23:13

you sell them a 50 BTC flash drive, maybe at a discount price, and tell them they cant use it for 3 years or something

23:14

totally out of the scope of normal behavior.

23:14

as soon as i crack that drive i know satoshi.

23:14

plus sharing keys is anathema.

23:14

if you buy something you think that the value of what you bought is greater than that of what you paid

23:15

that's investing

23:15

I'm saying that the buyer knows and trusts satoshi

23:15

neat to be told what investing is from a petro-engineer in training lol

23:15

but hey all jabs aside

23:15

how unfriendly

23:16

just think about what i said for a bit. it's just a different perspective.

23:16

I didn't quite understand the "every day I don't move ..."

23:16

alright

23:17

TestingUnoDosTre: satoshi still has the private key for the addr in question, no?

23:17

yes, but I'm talking about a trusted transaction

23:17

this is the thing about trust

23:17

like I'm not worried about being scammed of 1000 bTC when I just bought it from someone who has a million btc in holdings

23:17

just because i trust you to not fuck me does not mean that you won't.

23:18

that's your risk analysis.

23:18

why don't people just use bitcoin to smuggle money across borders

23:18

i'm suggesting that others may run the analysis differently.

23:18

avoiding exchange rats

23:18

happens all the time radan

23:19

argentina has a very very wealthy group of bitcoiners

23:19

ok, but satoshi would be probably sacrificing more trust by simply selling 1000 btc

23:19

probably accelerating the collapse down there...

23:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00318194 = 0.4168 BTC [+] {10}

23:19

you've not really modeled this, have you TestingUnoDosTre?

23:20

why do you say so?

23:20

got the new Epson set up today

23:20

am i the only one who knows who satoshi is?

23:20

an opportunity to buy delicious beef with magic money

23:20

the problem with hypotheticals and models is that they are hypothetical

23:20

you could have 100 factors you haven't even modeled

23:20

some of them work quite well...

23:20

http://imgur.com/0Agj5Ja

23:20

imgur: the simple image sharer

23:20

if so, then he doesn't care about other people trusting him

23:21

if other people know who he is, then we're in an entirely different universe and i can't really plan for that right now.

23:21

but let's bring this back to reality shall we?

23:21

well I'm sure some people know satoshi

23:21

unless he was a testtube baby from mars

23:21

we care about 3 things

23:21

0

23:21

1

23:21

infinity

23:21

what if dr. popescu is satoshi

23:21

what if dr. mario is a doctor

23:22

its sunday night and time to party

23:22

hm you're right

23:22

*

nubbins` cracks a beer

23:22

in 'real world' scenarios, you cannot ever trust your counterparty to not spend coins from a private address.

23:22

end of story

23:22

beers gone, my partying is done

23:22

you totally could

23:22

if you knew the person well enough

23:22

its not like 100%

23:22

supposed to get 15-25cm of snow tomorrow

23:22

i understand that

23:23

then a storm wednesday night lasting thru friday

23:23

look TestingUnoDosTre there are coins you own and coins you don't own.

23:23

that's it.

23:23

glad i didn't burn off the kerosene heater yet :D

23:23

nubbins`: is that typical for this time of year?!

23:23

no :(

23:23

"sheilagh's brush" is what old folks call this, shit weather in late march

23:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9641 @ 0.00095054 = 9.1642 BTC [+] {3}

23:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0032 = 3.2 BTC [+]

23:23

we're having this crazy balmy spring down south

23:24

normally it's just rain from December to July 4th straight through

23:24

just keep telling yourself it's not man-made climate change and you'll be okay

23:24

:D

23:24

hahahaha

23:24

it's al gore made climate change

23:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9OJk9i4Kg

23:24

Lykke Li - No Rest For The Wicked (Official Audio) - YouTube

23:25

jesus Mats_cd03 you like lady music :D

23:25

i find women beautiful

23:25

TestingUnoDosTre: does the "coins you own, coins you don't" thing make sense?

23:26

apart from being completely rudimentary?

23:26

the story of every swinging dick in the universe

23:26

if you stray from that you'll get burned in some way.

23:27

web wallets, bitcoin banks...

23:27

for instance, if I go an wire 100$ to mark karp, and I trick myself into thinking I purchased some BTC, I don't really own any

23:27

right

23:27

you might have bought them, but you don't own them until they show up in your wallet.

23:28

alright but if I go make a cold wallet on a flash drive, sell the flash drive to my brother, and tell him that he can't use the coins for 2 years, who owns them?

23:28

whoever sends them to keys under their exclusive control first.

23:28

i saw lykke li in 2009

23:29

nice little lykke li remake http://hypem.com/track/nsj8/Lykke+Li+-+Little+Bit+(Gigamesh+Remix)

23:29

https://soundcloud.com/beatsantique/get-lucky-feat-charles-butler solid reproduction of get lucky with the banjo

23:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.0032 = 1.3312 BTC [+]

23:30

nubbins`: how was it

23:30

oooo I think I'm gonna love this

23:30

all i remember is that the backdrop was cool and she kept talking about this guy "miike snow"

23:30

for some reason your music taste irritates my ear

23:31

miike snow is awesome

23:31

miike snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKQSAt4c4c

23:31

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]

23:33

my dear... come again... your voice is fading out and in...

23:33

yeah, i saw him too but i can't remember anything about it

23:33

TBH the only performance i really remember from the whole festival is dan deacon

23:33

the mdma cooked your brain after the opener huh

23:33

just booze and pot

23:33

thatll do it

23:33

and heat, i guess

23:34

i have no idea who dan deacon is, but he reminded me of ron jenkees when i saw his photo on my screen

23:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.0704652 = 1.8321 BTC [-] {5}

23:35

an almost inaudible, "hello, internets!" sounded off in the back of my mind

23:35

(i'm sorry if nobody else knows what i'm talking about)

23:36

Have you seen this movie, it's pretty unique with a good sound track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKW8kKXi6g

23:36

his most popular song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2aH4XLbto

23:37

no

23:39

the movie is something like "I believe I can fly (Flight of the Frenchies)". It's only like 75 minutes and it's about high linining (aka tight rope walking)

23:39

I really enjoy horns and reggae music though, but that's just me

23:43

is ok

23:43

somehow soundcloud thinks i'll like this

23:43