Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-03-23 | 2014-03-25 → ↓
00:00 nubbins` dan deacon is pretty good, have a listen to "bromst"
00:01 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8NOr47onjk&list=PL59184F12AEBBD11E
00:01 ozbot Dan Deacon - Build Voice - (1 of 11) - YouTube
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00094953 = 1.7832 BTC [-]
00:05 Mats_cd03 not bad
00:07 benkay whatcha doing with the new printer, nubbins` ?
00:07 nubbins` we occasionally get requests for color digital prints, and it's a pain having to outsource it
00:08 benkay nice! capture more of that value stream.
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00:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05323 = 0.3194 BTC [-] {2}
00:29 nubbins` yeah
00:30 nubbins` got a CIS kit on the way for it too
00:30 nubbins` http://www.amediadisc.com/images/detailed/0/ciss.jpg
00:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05323 = 0.4258 BTC [-]
00:42 KRS-One Maybe such a position gets a complementary (gratis, free) Trilema credits or membership?
00:43 benkay choo going on about, KRS-One?
00:43 nubbins` which position is this
00:44 KRS-One Trilema support.
00:44 benkay oh
00:44 benkay access to the murderous purplesquirt, i think
00:45 KRS-One Only thing free otherwise is
00:45 KRS-One .bait
00:45 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/cee51a34672b1b88c22de04ca3df30a6/tumblr_mes6ctZd4x1rrqd70o1_1280.jpg
00:45 KRS-One Marginal porn at that. Ie: Playboy.
00:47 nubbins` http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
00:47 ozbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
00:47 nubbins` not much traction, maybe i was too stingy with the terms
00:48 chetty methinks its time, people don't like to make bets so far off
00:51 * benkay joins #eulora
00:52 nubbins` true
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2728 @ 0.00094987 = 2.5912 BTC [+]
00:55 benkay ;;later tell AusBitBank didja know your nick's being squatted? see WoT.
00:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3873 @ 0.00094953 = 3.6775 BTC [-]
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094953 = 0.9495 BTC [-]
01:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00094953 = 4.6527 BTC [-]
01:09 KRS-One .bait
01:09 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2avcaC8fM1r46ny8o1_400.jpg
01:10 benkay .bait
01:10 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsup79vqG71qajljjo1_500.jpg
01:10 benkay i'll take two.
01:10 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu the army only ever answered to nell btw
01:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:11 benkay hey here's a weird thought
01:11 benkay maybe a suggestion
01:12 benkay i haven't had time to investigate this in depth, but don't use the same keys for different altcoins.
01:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00649995 = 0.975 BTC [+] {4}
01:13 benkay 'cause i don't know if there's anything chain-specific to transactions
01:13 * nubbins` ponders this over pale lager
01:13 benkay might end up accidentally opening that address on other chains up to transferring its contents to the address corresponding to your target addr on the other chain
01:15 nubbins` you're saying, for example, someone creates an ATC tx and accidentally executes it on the BTC network instead?
01:16 benkay ah, no not possible
01:16 benkay addresses encode the network.
01:19 benkay 1xxx is bitcoin, Li is litecoin, Dxxxx is doge
01:19 benkay etc etc etc
01:21 benkay although, nubbins`, you might be able to force the issue with pay-to-pubkey-hash
01:21 benkay pay-to-pubkey-hash might still let the
01:21 benkay https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions#Pay-to-PubkeyHash
01:21 ozbot Transactions - Bitcoin
01:22 KRS-One ;;seen vexual
01:22 gribble vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
01:22 nubbins` oh yeah, vexual
01:23 benkay well that's enough research for the night.
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01:43 KRS-One that cunt must be on vacation
01:44 KRS-One ;;google australian cunt
01:44 gribble Cunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt>; Appendix:Australian English terms for people - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_for_people>; Urban Dictionary: Sick Cunt: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sick%20Cunt>
01:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05223851 = 0.209 BTC [-] {3}
02:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.648 BTC [+]
02:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05405859 = 0.2703 BTC [+] {3}
02:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6489999 BTC [+]
02:09 MisterE "A recent study by the Standish Group, a firm in Boston that researches failures, found that only 5 percent of large federal IT projects in the last decade fully succeeded. Of the rest, 41 percent were failures, canceled before they were turned on."
02:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00095085 = 27.8124 BTC [+] {6}
02:11 chetty MisterE, cool more than half worked ...maybe
02:14 VanCleef question
02:14 VanCleef is 10 thousand billion the same as 10 trillion dollars?
02:14 MisterE y
02:14 benkay does anyone have a link to the Kraken "oops we dropped 600 BTC on the flor"?
02:15 benkay "floor*" post?
02:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64986816 = 14.2971 BTC [+] {9}
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.65929293 = 11.208 BTC [+] {4}
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095168 = 6.6618 BTC [+]
02:17 benkay something better than this, plz: and telling customers to get fucked.
02:17 benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218
02:17 ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
02:18 benkay man my kill ring is bolloxed tonight
02:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.66880951 = 14.045 BTC [+] {4}
02:20 benkay ah nm, that's basically as good as it gets.
02:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.68632834 = 21.2762 BTC [+] {9}
02:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.69428363 = 7.6371 BTC [+] {3}
02:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00094953 = 15.2874 BTC [-]
02:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0065 = 0.143 BTC [+] {2}
02:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0065 = 0.325 BTC [+]
02:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0065 = 0.234 BTC [+]
02:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0065 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
02:33 VanCleef why are people buying asicminer? may as well keep sending coins to gox
02:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6808 BTC [-]
02:34 benkay how's the water, VanCleef?
02:35 VanCleef water?
02:36 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753882/plain/)
02:36 benkay !b 4
02:37 VanCleef mmmk
02:38 benkay http://www.charliekingcoaching.com/2013/10/25/hows-the-water-boys/
02:38 ozbot Charlie King Coaching » “How’s the water, boys?”
02:38 benkay disregard everything after the first pp
02:41 VanCleef righ t o
02:44 benkay from -dev
02:44 benkay <phantomcircuit> the better solution is to create a new "key" type that stores
02:44 benkay the raw byte array
02:44 benkay <phantomcircuit> but that sounded like actual work so i didn't do it
02:45 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^
02:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:51 benkay have lamassu shipped any of their ATMs?
02:52 VanCleef yeh
02:52 jurov benkay: yes
02:53 jurov but the owner is complaining since
02:53 jurov and they are out of order often
02:53 benkay complaining about?
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07032393 = 3.1646 BTC [-] {7}
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68867475 = 2.7547 BTC [+] {4}
02:54 jurov he wants the machine to sell euros immediately on the exchange, they are unable to deliver that feature
02:54 jurov then there was a bug where it would eat your money without giving btc
02:55 jurov were very slow to fix, too
02:55 jurov and some other probs the owner did not explain deeper
02:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06917692 = 1.7986 BTC [-] {6}
02:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.694 = 2.082 BTC [+]
02:58 benkay ty jurov
02:58 benkay you are a perpetual wealth of information
02:59 chetty from a friend on a forum: " but just visiting vircurex gets my system hacked, with 100% certainty"
02:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00671398 = 0.3424 BTC [+] {5}
03:10 Mats_cd03 lol
03:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0043003 = 0.1376 BTC [-] {4}
03:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00303215 = 0.6398 BTC [-] {6}
03:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00303004 = 0.1939 BTC [-]
03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.00095168 = 5.1353 BTC [+]
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03:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.0043 = 0.1161 BTC [-]
03:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [-]
03:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.693004 = 3.465 BTC [+] {2}
03:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.69166888 = 12.45 BTC [-] {2}
04:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00095168 = 8.391 BTC [+] {2}
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04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10066 @ 0.0009528 = 9.5909 BTC [+]
04:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134 @ 0.0009528 = 0.1277 BTC [+]
04:40 dexX7 am to teh moon!
04:40 VanCleef yeh for some strange reason
04:40 VanCleef reallyoverpriced
04:42 dexX7 "strange"
04:42 dexX7 "The first wafers were out in March 22th. The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption."
04:42 davout good morning!
04:43 mircea_popescu heya
04:43 dexX7 hi
04:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-]
04:43 mircea_popescu dexX7 what's strange about that ?
04:43 dexX7 nothing - that's the point
04:43 dexX7 ah you missed "<VanCleef> yeh for some strange reason"
04:43 mircea_popescu a a
04:44 VanCleef but even .6 btc really overpriced
04:45 VanCleef will take you 6 years to make back roi
04:46 VanCleef and am is hardly mining anymore they will just be selling chips
04:46 dexX7 ;;calc 400000*0.6
04:46 gribble 240000
04:46 mircea_popescu what do the chips do, i forget. 3gh ?
04:46 dexX7 ;;calc 6*24*365*25
04:46 gribble 1314000
04:47 VanCleef is it worth it dexX7 ?
04:47 dexX7 ;;calc 240000/1314000
04:47 gribble 0.182648401826
04:47 dexX7 18 % network hashrate over one year needed
04:48 VanCleef they wont achieve that because i dont think they are even mining, just selling chips
04:48 mircea_popescu dexX7 mind commenting that calc sowe can follow at home ?
04:49 dexX7 okay.. there are 400k am shares, so to make 0.6 btc per share you'd need 240000 btc in total
04:49 dexX7 over one year there can be 1314000 btc mined
04:50 mircea_popescu oh oh i see
04:50 mircea_popescu i thought you were somehow calcing the chips roi
04:50 mircea_popescu VanCleef the 18% is of the total hashes hashed by the network over your arbitrary interval
04:51 mircea_popescu not necessarily of the hashpower.
04:51 dexX7 about the chips: "Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip" + "Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage" + "0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice."
04:51 mircea_popescu if they average 3% over the next 6 years then they made the 18% in question as it were
04:51 VanCleef yeh
04:51 mircea_popescu ok let's then math this.
04:51 dexX7 yea well, the math is biased and doesn't factor in any expenses
04:51 mircea_popescu ;;gen 12800000
04:51 gribble Error: "gen" is not a valid command.
04:52 mircea_popescu ;;genrate 12800000
04:52 gribble The expected generation output, at 12800000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 4250217919.87, is 1.51455843716 BTC per day and 0.0631066015484 BTC per hour.
04:52 mircea_popescu meh it got moved to mhps huh
04:52 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.51455843716 * 550
04:52 gribble 833.007140438
04:53 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600
04:53 gribble 3024.0
04:53 mircea_popescu o wait per Gh
04:53 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 / 12.8
04:53 gribble 236.25
04:53 mircea_popescu well that's the end of the story.
04:54 mircea_popescu .5 dollars a day (.833 dollars a day in mining revenue, .236 dollars a day in elec costs for chip only)
04:54 mircea_popescu from which you have to repay 6 to 12.8 dollars for the chip + all other setup and fixed costs and make a profit.
04:55 mircea_popescu obviously difficulty is still popping up, add in delivery and lead-in times and you're looking at a very tenuous bottom line
04:56 dexX7 interesting
04:56 VanCleef so what's a fair share price for am atm?
04:56 mircea_popescu maybe .2 - .3 ?
04:56 dexX7 1 btc+ due to the hype
04:56 mircea_popescu or that yeah
04:56 dexX7 oh you said "fair"
04:56 VanCleef yeh .3 makes sense
04:56 mircea_popescu depends what you mean by "Fair"
04:57 mircea_popescu who could have imagined that one day chips able to do 12.8 gh/s were going to not be worth a dollar.
04:58 mircea_popescu http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-impact-us-sanctions-russia-going-be-exactly-zero
04:58 ozbot Why the Impact of U.S. Sanctions on Russia Is Going to Be Exactly Zero | Alternet
04:58 mircea_popescu mostly quoted for the "asia times by pepe escobar"
04:58 VanCleef pepe escobar a name you can trust
04:59 dexX7 let's look at the competition. knc's neptune coming q2: "Minimum 3000GH/s" + "A 30% reduction in watts per GH" (currently about 1.6 w/gh afaik) + "$ 9,995.00"
04:59 mircea_popescu dexX7 you don't see the whole competition
05:00 mircea_popescu there are at least two manufacturers who are delivering but never bothered with the forum, at all.
05:00 VanCleef "After the dotcom bubble and burst, they reinflated it with the real estate credit crisis bubble which also burst, now they've created the bubble of all bubbles its called the bailout bubble - The USA government launched bail outs, stimulus packages and guarantees to the tune of 10 trillion dollars. That's more than the total cost to the USA government for WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the invasion of Iraq and
05:00 VanCleef scary
05:00 dexX7 hehe i'm not really following the mining stuff
05:00 mircea_popescu dexX7 i don't mean you-you. i mean, "the community"
05:02 VanCleef china is playing this really smart
05:02 VanCleef good on them
05:10 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjewMXvIIAAm_Gj.jpg
05:14 VanCleef nice
05:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06836259 = 3.1447 BTC [-] {14}
05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00095654 = 11.4785 BTC [+] {2}
05:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095661 = 1.4827 BTC [+]
05:24 mircea_popescu Jon Gordon @JonGordon11 It's simple. The more you prepare the better you perform. This goes for sports, business, tests, speeches and life.
05:24 mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @JonGordon11 @johnsonwhitney And masturbation ?
05:24 mircea_popescu i tell you, twitter is too damned easy. it's like being back in romania almost.
05:26 dexX7 you are not in romania?
05:27 mircea_popescu well i hadn't been doing business with actual romanian corps (as opposed to foreign run subsidiaries) for a decade. i had not been hiring romanians. for the past year i've not been writing in romanian, either, which means i don't even read the press
05:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00095678 = 19.0399 BTC [+] {3}
05:27 mircea_popescu practically i live on an extrateritorial acre or somesuch.
05:32 cazalla i know of 2 romanian people - both put out daily content - the other being kripparrian
05:32 dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.new#new
05:32 ozbot [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips
05:32 mircea_popescu kripparian sounds armenian
05:33 cazalla well, i believe he lives in canada
05:33 mircea_popescu lolk
05:37 dexX7 https://www.kraken.com/security/audit "cryptographically-verified audit"
05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00095715 = 15.0722 BTC [+] {2}
05:38 mircea_popescu i dunno about that
05:38 mircea_popescu after their appaling performance (showing the same deposit addresses to multiple users, losing hundreds of btc in the process)
05:39 mircea_popescu and their appaling response to mpoe-pr (failing to fire the appaling pr, mt-gox-esque cover-up and denial)
05:39 mircea_popescu i can't take anything of the sort other than more cover-up and more lying.
05:39 mircea_popescu add more l's in there.
05:39 dexX7 hehe
05:40 dexX7 according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 kraken holds about 0.5 % more coins than required
05:41 mircea_popescu well, each his own determination. i do not trust them, at all.
05:41 mircea_popescu i had originally hoped maybe they actually come to something, but i was disabused of these notions.
05:44 dexX7 did they screw up in the past or did they screw up and tried to cover that?
05:44 mircea_popescu the latter.
05:44 mircea_popescu it's in their thread, look for mpoe-pr's posts
05:46 dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 this one?
05:46 ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
05:47 mircea_popescu yea
05:48 mircea_popescu tis how dargo's btc career ended one day.
05:48 mircea_popescu (hint : just because your "employer" tells you to do something, it doesn't follow it's a good idea to do - either for them or for you)
05:50 dexX7 true
05:51 mircea_popescu people just gotta use teh noggin a lot more, everywhere
06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24543 @ 0.00095768 = 23.5043 BTC [+] {2}
06:15 jurov http://www.tvp.info/14506221/duma-do-polskiego-msz-podzielmy-ukraine Zhirinovsky.Of course.
06:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68999 = 2.76 BTC [-]
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06:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3616 @ 0.00095483 = 3.4527 BTC [-]
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07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009545 = 6.8724 BTC [-]
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8823 @ 0.00095294 = 8.4078 BTC [-]
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07:26 jurov kakobrekla, bitcoin-assets.com throws 503, subdomains work
07:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003017 = 3.017 BTC [-] {12}
07:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0009528 = 4.9546 BTC [-]
07:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0030121 = 0.3615 BTC [-]
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08:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.006511 = 0.2149 BTC [-] {2}
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00095188 = 8.8525 BTC [-] {2}
08:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00317699 = 0.6354 BTC [+] {3}
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08:40 ThickAsThieves So Rockxie is IPOing?
08:40 ThickAsThieves hrm
08:40 ThickAsThieves seems suspect
08:40 ThickAsThieves he's been a board member and primary reseller for a long time
08:41 ThickAsThieves seems like a hedge at best
08:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6711 = 1.3422 BTC [-]
08:52 MisterE is PPC going to supernova tonight?
08:55 MisterE I got 99 problems but holding alts ain't one
08:57 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432
08:57 ozbot [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit
08:59 ThickAsThieves "Claim 1: Kraken controls a certain amount of Bitcoins."
08:59 ThickAsThieves ...
09:01 chetty controls is an interesting choice of words
09:02 VanCleef i'm ready to learn about the power of love
09:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1031 @ 0.00292881 = 3.0196 BTC [-] {11}
09:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0029 = 0.2465 BTC [-]
09:05 ThickAsThieves love is like greed, it'll motivate you to get fucked
09:06 nubbins` showing how many btc you hold is vulgar, anyway ;p
09:07 ThickAsThieves are numbers vulgar in an audit?
09:07 Diablo-D3 who in here was looking for a cheap dedi server?
09:07 ThickAsThieves i guess it doesnt matter
09:08 VanCleef good quote tat
09:08 ThickAsThieves i made it myself
09:08 Diablo-D3 https://www.exelion.net/ use coupon hn50
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09:08 VanCleef :)
09:08 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: exceptions to every rule :D
09:10 nubbins` my roommate is supposed to be heading to las vegas today
09:10 nubbins` http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?nl21#905cwhx
09:10 ozbot Alerts for: St. John's and vicinity - Environment Canada
09:10 nubbins` but i don't know if he will!
09:10 VanCleef isit a guy or a girl?
09:18 ThickAsThieves the eternal question
09:21 VanCleef hows your music going tat, still making some beats?
09:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00280365 = 5.6073 BTC [-] {18}
09:25 nubbins` VanCleef: guy
09:25 nubbins` GWAR frontman Dave Brockie dead at 50
09:26 ThickAsThieves VanCleef, I helped with a local compilation of beats by local producers
09:26 VanCleef what today?
09:26 VanCleef nubbins
09:26 ThickAsThieves it'll be released this week with some listening session events and such
09:27 VanCleef yeh nice tat
09:27 nubbins` http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gwar-frontman-dave-brockie-a-k-a-oderus-urungus-reportedly-dead-at-50/
09:28 novusordo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464
09:28 ozbot [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips
09:28 ThickAsThieves "GWAR's latest album, "Battle Maximus", sold around 3,500 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 109 on The Billboard 200 chart. "
09:29 ThickAsThieves wow music industry really is in the shitter
09:29 VanCleef yep
09:29 ThickAsThieves so they maybe sell 10-15,000 each release
09:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00272 = 0.4978 BTC [-]
09:30 VanCleef is there some bad news about neobee lately?
09:31 ThickAsThieves well they said they'd release financial info last week and they didnt
09:31 VanCleef ahh i see, thanks
09:31 ThickAsThieves not sure if it was sposed to be a real update or just financial projections
09:32 VanCleef do you have shares in anything atm?
09:33 ThickAsThieves if i did i wouldnt necessarily say
09:33 novusordo berkshire hathaway
09:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00272 = 0.1822 BTC [-]
09:34 VanCleef lol cmon man i need something, tired of sitting ont he sidelines
09:34 Neil .d
09:34 ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 80 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.1362% in 0d 11h 4m 47s
09:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00273 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
09:35 nubbins` VanCleef http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
09:35 novusordo dat difficulty doe
09:35 novusordo so what do you fellows think about the kraken audit process?
09:35 nubbins` 5.5btc up for grabs there, potentially
09:35 VanCleef i cant wait that long
09:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00273 = 0.9009 BTC [+] {2}
09:35 VanCleef my daughter needs surgery next month
09:36 ThickAsThieves stop with the surgery line, it's presumptious at best
09:36 nubbins` your daughter needs surgery next month so you're looking for a BTC fund to invest in?!
09:37 * nubbins` calls social services
09:37 VanCleef yeh because i dont have enough coins for it
09:37 novusordo seems legit
09:37 nubbins` ^
09:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 615 @ 0.00272878 = 1.6782 BTC [+] {3}
09:38 VanCleef rockxie ipo might be a decent buy
09:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670011 = 1.34 BTC [-]
09:38 ThickAsThieves as a gem, maybe
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00095128 = 8.6566 BTC [-] {2}
09:45 VanCleef havelock down again?
09:45 VanCleef how come fb never gets ddos?
09:46 ThickAsThieves cuz their model is pretty much to invite ddos
09:46 ThickAsThieves so theyve spent years accommodating
09:49 nubbins` might as well try to ddos amazon
09:50 VanCleef SSL handshake failed
09:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00273 = 0.546 BTC [+]
09:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00095119 = 6.7734 BTC [-]
09:58 dexX7 "For me as outsider it looks like jimmothy is a paid shill/troll from an competing Bitcoin investment plattform.
09:58 dexX7 " ahahaha so i'm not the only one :D
09:58 dexX7 no wait
09:58 dexX7 invert the message
09:59 dexX7 this guy has the right feeling, but not the understanding of pure troll marketing
10:03 novusordo let's ddos cloudfare
10:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6775 @ 0.00095053 = 6.4398 BTC [-] {2}
10:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.675 BTC [+]
10:07 VanCleef lets ddos netscape
10:14 ThickAsThieves http://tradeblock.com/research/new-name-new-tools-new-team-member-welcome-tradeblock/
10:14 ozbot New Name, New Tools, New Team Member - Welcome to TradeBlock | TradeBlock
10:14 ThickAsThieves We decided we needed some non-news, an uglier website, and a more generic name
10:16 kakobrekla jurov yes that is intentional
10:18 ThickAsThieves you used to have content, there no?
10:18 ThickAsThieves what is the intention?
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00275 = 0.55 BTC [+]
10:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00270525 = 8.1158 BTC [-] {6}
10:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00095204 = 13.519 BTC [+]
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0027 = 0.81 BTC [-]
10:27 kakobrekla ThickAsThieves there was a breach yesterday, i decided to kill the container until uncompromisable version is up - you dont want to be running code that you dont know what it does.
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10:27 kakobrekla well it wasnt yesterday, it was noticed then.
10:28 kakobrekla offtopic:
10:28 kakobrekla >Am I correct that I will be losing btc on these bets even though I am winning the bet? If I am wrong then please do not cancel and refund, however if I am correct please cancel and refund.
10:29 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:29 jurov ;;bc,stats
10:29 gribble Current Blocks: 292252 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 67 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4999212861.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.62251
10:29 ThickAsThieves i hear ya kako, wordpress is a bitch
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6874995 = 1.375 BTC [+] {2}
10:30 kakobrekla jurov address ?
10:30 jurov what?
10:30 kakobrekla your bitcoin address
10:30 kakobrekla give it to me
10:30 jurov you really want to refund? i was joking
10:30 kakobrekla sure why not
10:31 ThickAsThieves uh oh
10:31 ThickAsThieves bad precedent
10:31 jurov if you want, just send 0.1 to true donations addy for me
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0543 = 0.3258 BTC [-] {2}
10:31 kakobrekla fine then.
10:31 kakobrekla thanks
10:31 kakobrekla :>
10:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05523333 = 0.3314 BTC [+] {5}
10:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0558 = 0.279 BTC [+] {3}
10:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05625714 = 0.3938 BTC [+] {4}
10:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
10:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05767448 = 0.4614 BTC [+] {2}
10:39 ThickAsThieves "And MP if you think you are the most significant innovator in this space, get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. You will soon be reminded that this space is fundamentally driven by technologists/technology, not Romanian Wallstreet wannabees."
10:40 jurov who said that? some of power rangers?
10:40 nubbins` this space is fundamentally driven by coddled children
10:40 Apocalyptic would like to know the source as well TAT
10:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0654006 = 0.327 BTC [-] {4}
10:41 ThickAsThieves the forum of course
10:41 ThickAsThieves AnonyMint
10:41 jurov ThickAsThieves I found this funny: http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/#comment-98643
10:41 jurov in light of NEO/BEE PR
10:41 nubbins` Get prepared to unexpectedly kneel.
10:41 nubbins` that doesn't make any fucking sense
10:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
10:42 ThickAsThieves unfortunately i have no say in Neo's PR, etc
10:42 ThickAsThieves nubbins, you are right that line is funnier than i first realized
10:45 KRS-1 Bandwidth wasn't higher because cached content wasn't downloaded from the Web server again, only new content and new visitors was the delta.
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06725 = 0.1345 BTC [+] {2}
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0574 = 0.1148 BTC [-]
10:46 nubbins` heh: http://i.imgur.com/jORElZr.jpg
10:47 nubbins` "oh, shit, it's over there"
10:48 kakobrekla lol
10:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7463 @ 0.00095021 = 7.0914 BTC [-]
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06989713 = 0.4893 BTC [-] {2}
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00428298 = 0.3855 BTC [-] {6}
10:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06989999 = 0.3495 BTC [-]
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00095014 = 9.5489 BTC [-] {2}
11:00 ThickAsThieves 'In a statement, Huawei spokesman Bill Plummer criticized the spying measures. “If it is true, the irony is that exactly what they (NSA, US) are doing to us is what they have always charged that the Chinese are doing through us,” he said. “If such espionage has been truly conducted, then it is known that the company is independent and has no unusual ties to any government and that
11:00 ThickAsThieves knowledge should be relayed publicly to put an end to an era of mis- and disinformation.”'
11:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07099999 = 1.065 BTC [+] {2}
11:02 nubbins` mis and dis
11:03 VanCleef huawei lost around of business around of world because of usa's trolling
11:03 VanCleef alot
11:03 VanCleef i demand a public apology from obama
11:05 nubbins` http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
11:05 ozbot Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything
11:05 ThickAsThieves i debated corrected him...
11:06 ThickAsThieves correcting
11:06 ThickAsThieves lol
11:06 ThickAsThieves maybe one day alot will be a word
11:07 nubbins` three-day storm coming; seasonal snowclearing staff laid off this past friday. down to 50 operators from 180
11:07 nubbins` FUN
11:07 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: it happened with alright, so who knows
11:08 ThickAsThieves maybe all the all combos started that way
11:08 ThickAsThieves always
11:08 ThickAsThieves but all is not a
11:09 ThickAsThieves although(<--- !) all is a lot
11:10 ThickAsThieves anyone ever search for plane tickets and notice that after 10 minutes or so, options disappear and prices go up?
11:10 ThickAsThieves then you check a few hours later and they revert
11:10 nubbins` that shit is heavy voodoo
11:10 Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, yeah
11:10 nubbins` for extra lels, look up prices with a few different web browsers.
11:11 Apocalyptic they're doing it on purpose, psychologic pressure and all
11:11 nubbins` prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it
11:11 ThickAsThieves i like how all the "competing" price sites advertise each other
11:11 Apocalyptic <nubbins`> prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it // heh, really ?
11:11 nubbins` yep
11:12 Apocalyptic like OS X browser users wil be charged more than the rest ?
11:12 nubbins` idea being that people who use, for example, IE6/7 are fucking idiots and won't shop around
11:12 ThickAsThieves surely Apocalyptic
11:12 nubbins` this has been known to happen in insurance circles too
11:12 ThickAsThieves iOS is a tax on your internet life probly
11:12 nubbins` anyway, http://www.lastminutetravel.com/
11:14 nubbins` what's the other one?
11:14 nubbins` kayak
11:14 nubbins` http://www.kayak.com
11:14 VanCleef Malaysia Airlines sends condolences to families via text message......and you thought breaking up with someone via txt messaging was rude
11:14 nubbins` ^ double-plus good
11:14 ThickAsThieves i cant trust kayak
11:14 nubbins` no?
11:14 ThickAsThieves nah, Priceline pop-ups
11:14 ThickAsThieves fuck that
11:14 ThickAsThieves ads for competitors
11:15 ThickAsThieves etc
11:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0009531 = 11.1989 BTC [+] {3}
11:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00292933 = 0.5068 BTC [+] {4}
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0009545 = 12.838 BTC [+]
11:17 nubbins` ah
11:17 nubbins` i've used them in the past with success
11:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-]
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06612499 = 0.2645 BTC [-] {4}
11:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2}
11:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07099999 = 0.142 BTC [+]
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029 = 0.5684 BTC [+]
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0579 = 0.1158 BTC [+]
11:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] {2}
11:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071 = 0.284 BTC [+]
11:38 benkay o/
11:39 benkay lulz aplenty: http://bdaccelerate.com/#mentors-investors
11:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00668989 = 0.1672 BTC [-]
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095015 = 1.8053 BTC [-]
11:45 ThickAsThieves "One of North America’s Best Word of Mouth Marketers"
11:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
11:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
11:48 benkay "Internet Personality"
11:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [-]
11:51 jurov Kirk will teach a maverick entrepreneur how to think like an executive
11:54 asciilifeform and now for something completely different:
11:55 nubbins` a word of mouth marketer
11:55 nubbins` my sides
11:55 asciilifeform 'Russians! I'm speaking to all Russians, those of you who live in Ukraine and Belarus are also called Russians here in the Balkans. Look at us and remember - the very same thing will be done to you, should you break up and show weakness. The West - is a chained, rabid dog, that shall tear out your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not allow the same to be done to you! Russians, why do you
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11:55 asciilifeform need Europe? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than yourselves. It is Europe who has need of you, but you need it not. You are so many - a whole three countries - but where is your unity! You have everything your own: much land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had our Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt ourselves to be a great strength, able to shift mountains. But n
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11:55 asciilifeform ow, because of our folly, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other - Yugoslavia is no more, and we - are now pimples on the political map of Europe, new markets for their overpriced garbage and for American democracy.' (- from the last interview given by Slobodan Milosevic, not long after he was 'accidentally' given the wrong heart meds. Translation mine.)
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11:56 nubbins` schlomo dan
11:59 asciilifeform *not long before
11:59 asciilifeform damn
12:00 * asciilifeform goes to coffee
12:00 * asciilifeform does not in fact translate interviews from corpses
12:03 jurov fine, now only if russians managed not to mess up everything they touch
12:04 nubbins` like pussy riot
12:04 VanCleef stay strong russia we support your movement
12:04 nubbins` ;p
12:04 jurov lol @everyones pussy riot fixation
12:06 VanCleef talk shit about putin what do you expect?
12:07 benkay talk shit about pudenda
12:09 jurov i'd say it was russian govt-sposored stunt to get west away from talking about everything else
12:09 nubbins` jurov: i like it because it's not often you get to see stuffy newscasters having to say things like "pussy riot" :D
12:09 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/eastern-newfoundland-struck-by-wintry-blast-1.2583839
12:09 ozbot Eastern Newfoundland struck by wintry blast - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
12:09 nubbins` ^ that picture was taken a stone's throw from my house
12:10 nubbins` very, very steep hill (60deg incline) just out of frame to the left
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-]
12:11 benkay nubbins`: another gorgeous (!) day down south.
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [-]
12:12 nubbins` heh.
12:15 ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/24/new-derivative-guards-against-bitcoins-price-swings/?mod=MarketsMain
12:15 ozbot New Derivative Guards Against Bitcoin’s Price Swings - MoneyBeat - WSJ
12:16 ThickAsThieves "Under the swap–known as a “non-deliverable” forward because the contract is settled in cash without the need to deliver bitcoin–the parties agreed to pay each other in the future a certain amount based on the values of the two currencies. "
12:16 nubbins` i wonder how much money Mike Caldwell has made from licensing pictures of his coins
12:16 ThickAsThieves it's the anti-mpex option! balance must be restored!
12:17 nubbins` i still want one of those 0.1 silvers, but they're not easy to come by
12:18 mike_c_d "The parties to the swap agreed to use an average price taken from multiple bitcoin exchanges" << good luck.
12:18 ninjashogun does anyone know why recruiters (headhunters) don't share their bonus with their successfully placed recruit, as a cash payment (/incentive)? Especially where they make a large commission?
12:18 ninjashogun It seems this would incentivize employees to use that headhunter to get to the same job - but it's not done. Any ideas why?
12:19 benkay headhunters place the clueless. the clueless can't negotiate.
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0579 = 0.1737 BTC [+]
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.66528967 = 5.9876 BTC [-] {8}
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5627 @ 0.00095209 = 5.3574 BTC [+]
12:24 chetty about all those dead bankers?
12:24 chetty http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/03/document-jpmorgan-chase-bets-10-4-billion-on-the-early-death-of-workers/
12:24 ozbot Document: JPMorgan Chase Bets .4 Billion on the Early Death of Workers
12:26 benkay nailguns.
12:27 ninjashogun is that true though? Don't Gogle, Amazon, etc use headhunters for placing senior hires?
12:28 novusordo i would
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.0062084 = 0.8754 BTC [-] {5}
12:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
12:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.0066299 = 0.4972 BTC [+] {5}
12:36 ThickAsThieves i suppose a good headhunter would also make sure you got the best salary and benefits
12:37 ThickAsThieves but, like real estate agents, there is more incentive in qty of deals over quality
12:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.660001 = 1.32 BTC [-]
12:42 mike_c_d you altcoin miners are slow. 1.5 hours since last block? hash faster!
12:43 Apocalyptic ^
12:49 benkay mike_c_d: i'm fighting to get my block erupter up on a macintosh during late-night sleepy hours
12:50 mike_c_d every 300 mhs helps.
12:50 mike_c_d ;;atc,stats
12:50 gribble Error: "atc,stats" is not a valid command.
12:50 mike_c_d silly gribble
12:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00612978 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4}
12:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06401 = 0.3201 BTC [+]
12:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0699999 = 0.14 BTC [-]
12:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
12:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.64934186 = 16.2335 BTC [-] {15}
12:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06401 = 0.256 BTC [+]
12:58 benkay here's some madness
12:58 benkay https://medium.com/p/1d068ac5a205
12:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.53035874 BTC to 4`277 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
12:59 novusordo "Using Paypal-" nope
13:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095015 = 3.8006 BTC [-]
13:01 thestringpuller ;;ticker
13:01 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 562.41, Best ask: 564.43, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 562.4, 24 hour volume: 8486.64251253, 24 hour low: 547.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 559.420947826
13:03 novusordo i want to believe that they're just trolling
13:03 novusordo sounds like a radical liberal wet dream
13:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00094977 = 11.269 BTC [-] {2}
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]
13:10 nubbins` http://imgur.com/H16RKHb
13:10 ozbot Angry Hitler Goldfish - Imgur
13:10 jurov this looks like over the top... but one has to accept many people are useless somehow
13:11 jurov you either feed them or fight them, there's no other option
13:12 asciilifeform author of that turd 'knows' that he won't be personally sold, and it shows. (not by itself damning - authors of designs for meat processing plants don't expect to ever become chickens, either. but in this case it spoils the flavour in a rather obvious way.)
13:14 nubbins` i admit i stopped reading and started skimming when i read "$1 per hour"
13:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0029103 = 0.5588 BTC [-] {2}
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+]
13:22 steven-__ benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html has a broken link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/2014/03/05_those-coins-theyll-be-happy-with-their-new-master.html
13:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
13:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.641 = 3.846 BTC [-]
13:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 160 @ 0.00612 = 0.9792 BTC [-] {2}
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
13:29 kakobrekla http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432.0
13:29 ozbot [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
13:34 jurov two cans and a tentacle
13:35 jurov did they manage coherent response to davout's challenge yet?
13:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00299922 = 0.5699 BTC [+] {4}
13:36 blackwhite hola peeps
13:37 benkay thanks steven-__
13:38 novusordo it's certainly nice to see some exchanges actually trying now
13:38 novusordo don't know if kraken's audit process will be enough, but I guess we'll see.
13:43 kakobrekla jurov what was the challenge?
13:43 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0571 = 0.1713 BTC [-] {2}
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06323466 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2}
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {2}
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0572776 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {2}
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2189 BTC [-] {2}
13:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0566702 = 0.1133 BTC [-]
13:54 diametric it doesn't really matter if they comply with US law or not.
13:54 diametric the US doesn't let little things like following regulations get in the way of them taking your lunch money.
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00094937 = 5.6013 BTC [-] {2}
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2279 BTC [-]
14:00 davout diametric: the us is irrelevant, they operate in europe
14:00 davout jurov kakobrekla not rly, his answer boiled down to "because i say so"
14:00 diametric davout: but they have accounts and accept USD within the US.
14:01 diametric Well, Bitstamp still does. I think kraken discontinued support for USD if I'm not mistaken
14:01 davout yeah, maybe but that's not what the conversation was about
14:01 davout bitstamp operates in europe with an european bank, the currency in which their accounts are held is anecdotal
14:01 radan http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDpxjvYoLEJs&ei=8nIwU_rUD8bo2AWIw4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEWzcjjuwoixYRx-M0TpYKZ-0LmkA&sig2=GeMYRlUAagLOdqbEUHTsuQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.b2I
14:01 radan uh, sorry
14:01 radan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxjvYoLEJs
14:02 davout they're probably held in eur too despite balances being shown in usd
14:02 diametric hmm for some reason I swore Bitstamp held a bank account in the US but I'm probably mistaken then.
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.057 = 0.285 BTC [+]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.063202 = 0.316 BTC [-]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
14:06 radan is it possible to make money on bitbet
14:07 davout diametric: they're at unicredit in slovenia
14:07 benkay radan: if you bet correctly, sure.
14:07 Mats_cd03 jesse from kraken is hilarious
14:08 Apocalyptic he's oblivious rather
14:08 Mats_cd03 its slowly dawning on him what a multinatl company has to deal with on a daily basis in order to engage in commerce
14:08 davout quite funny about how reddit is all over their "audit"
14:08 Apocalyptic ^
14:08 radan what if you don't know which thing will happen
14:08 radan I mean
14:08 radan I can ask people in my industry about shit like
14:08 Apocalyptic not sure why kako posted that link to begin with
14:09 radan http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/
14:09 ozbot BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
14:09 radan but the rest of it doesn't mean anything to me
14:09 davout radan: probably safer to not bet on it then
14:09 radan how am I supposed to know "if Havelock Investments continues its operation from the bet's starting date through November 20th, 2014"
14:09 mike_c_d so you're question is "how do i make money on shit i know nothing about"?
14:09 mike_c_d *your
14:10 radan yes
14:11 mike_c_d davout told you. you don't.
14:11 davout mike_c_d: told me what?
14:11 Apocalyptic <davout> radan: probably safer to not bet on it then
14:11 * davout facepalms
14:12 davout i need to not stop at the end of the first sentence
14:13 Mats_cd03 what a stupid question
14:13 radan well
14:13 radan people have done it before
14:15 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/iknowbitfunk/1nce-again-bit-funk-remix
14:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64067363 = 1.2813 BTC [-] {2}
14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00095245 = 8.1911 BTC [+] {2}
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2669 BTC [-]
14:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 69 @ 0.00557909 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0056328 = 0.1971 BTC [+]
14:25 MykelSIlver http://bitcoin-assets.com/ : 503 Service Unavailable .... at this moment
14:26 mike_c_d known issue. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014#578447
14:26 MykelSIlver thx okay
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0164003 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
14:29 MykelSIlver hope http://bitbet.us/ is safe
14:29 mike_c yes, it was a wordpress plugin that opened a small hole.
14:30 MykelSIlver okay
14:30 mike_c hopefully bitbet is not running on wordpress :)
14:30 Apocalyptic maybe bitbet is based on wordpress too
14:30 MykelSIlver oops.. you are not sure of that ?
14:30 Apocalyptic damn mike_c
14:30 mike_c MykelSIlver: i'm not involved with BB. but i highly doubt it.
14:31 MykelSIlver lets hope for the best (bets)
14:31 mike_c kakobrekla can confirm
14:31 MykelSIlver kk
14:31 kakobrekla it is not :)
14:31 MykelSIlver alright. now i can sleep again.
14:32 mike_c Apocalyptic: gotta be quick with the quips around here
14:32 Apocalyptic heh I figured that much
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0631858 = 0.6319 BTC [-] {5}
14:35 kakobrekla bitcoin-assets will have a designated admin/maintainer from now on
14:36 kakobrekla the wp part, to be specific.
14:39 jurov and a designated secure server
14:40 jurov btw i'm curious, what there needs CMS?
14:40 kakobrekla i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file
14:40 kakobrekla and thats that
14:41 kakobrekla but the girl is eager. :)
14:41 benkay tell her to come hang out here too
14:41 benkay whole family!
14:41 kakobrekla o she is here
14:41 benkay hi girl
14:41 jurov ;;bc,stats
14:41 gribble Current Blocks: 292288 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 31 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5019360553.23 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.09655
14:42 lampelina hi benkay
14:43 benkay o/ lampelina
14:44 benkay thx for handling b-a.com
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 458 @ 0.00610115 = 2.7943 BTC [-] {9}
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00602971 = 0.5547 BTC [-] {3}
14:49 benkay today's adventures in unfucking someone else's crypto
14:50 benkay constant secret, constant iv, vary salt -> different encrypted strings
14:50 benkay sounds great
14:50 benkay constant secret, constant iv, different salts of the same length -> valid decryption
14:50 benkay WTF
14:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.05779541 = 3.1787 BTC [+] {5}
14:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06315 = 0.1895 BTC [-]
14:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]
14:53 benkay vary salt *length on encryption cycle
14:53 benkay protip: don't delegate crypto to outsourced ios developers across the ocean.
14:54 mike_c my frustration today: it doesn't matter that python is slow as dirt, until it does.
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15:10 Mats_cd03 what are you doing
15:10 Mats_cd03 with python
15:12 mike_c well, the slow part (i think) is a have a big 2-dimensional array that i'm doing a lot of lookups into
15:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00095362 = 17.1652 BTC [+]
15:14 Mats_cd03 pypy would solve your problem
15:14 Mats_cd03 python is doing a lot of background noise between iterations
15:15 mike_c indeed it would.. i'm always a little worried about incompatabilities
15:15 Mats_cd03 a jit would fix that
15:15 Apocalyptic <Mats_cd03> pypy would solve your problem // depends
15:15 Apocalyptic but if you think you can get close to a native C prog speed you're mistaken
15:15 Mats_cd03 for your problem ctypes might be easier if you are worried about compatibility
15:16 mike_c i just hate switching to c modules because you have to cross-compile. pita.
15:16 Mats_cd03 then create a generator so you can fill element by element?
15:17 mike_c i'll take another look at pypy, that's a good idea. i haven't poked around at it in a while.
15:17 mike_c thx
15:18 Mats_cd03 gl
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00095445 = 7.6356 BTC [+] {2}
15:20 asciilifeform benkay: malware?
15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+]
15:25 mike_c sheesh. 21 seconds on cpython, 3.3 secs on pypy
15:27 blackwhite so digital voting. Government send me a "coin" for voting. I send it back to vote. Everyone can see it, cheating much less possible? Thoughts?
15:31 thestringpuller blackwhite: mircea_popescu talks about that on trilema
15:31 blackwhite trilema?
15:32 blackwhite got it
15:32 blackwhite his website
15:32 blackwhite thnx
15:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
15:33 thestringpuller i can't find the specific article but do a bit of googling and you'll find it
15:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+]
15:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-]
15:35 thestringpuller blackwhite: if you find it PM me the link
15:35 blackwhite http://trilema.com/
15:35 ozbot Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:35 blackwhite oh you mean the article :)
15:35 blackwhite hehe
15:35 blackwhite sorry
15:35 benkay yup that's trilema
15:35 thestringpuller lol
15:35 thestringpuller the article I can't find it
15:35 punkman blackwhite: here's the article http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
15:36 blackwhite haha sorry
15:36 blackwhite thanks punkman
15:36 thestringpuller thx punkman
15:38 punkman or this, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
15:38 asciilifeform ;;google cryptographic voting
15:38 gribble End-to-end auditable voting systems - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_auditable_voting_systems>; Cryptography - Electronic Voting - Stanford Crypto Group: <http://crypto.stanford.edu/pbc/notes/crypto/voting.xhtml>; Cryptographic Voting Protocols: A Systems Perspective - Usenix: (1 more message)
15:39 asciilifeform not the least bit young field.
15:39 punkman asciilifeform: indeed
15:39 benkay asciilifeform: only in the sense that iOS software is all malware.
15:40 thestringpuller there we go punkman that's the one
15:40 punkman thestringpuller: either way not what blackwhite was hoping for
15:43 thestringpuller the latter is
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16:12 only ;;msg nickserv info only
16:12 gribble Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
16:12 only nvm, sorry
16:13 blackwhite the latter actually is interesting and kind of what I was thinking
16:14 blackwhite the main thing is how do you keep the actual vote secret, where as you want the actual vote event public
16:15 blackwhite how many of you are using some sort of dashboard tool to follow bit coins? And is there room for someone making a better dashboard dealing perhaps not only with bitcoin but also other currencies?
16:16 benkay http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto
16:16 ozbot California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints | World news | The Guardian
16:19 benkay blackwhite: blockr.io's kinda the standard right now
16:19 benkay http://blockr.io
16:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}
16:21 blackwhite benkay thanks
16:21 benkay "state of the art"
16:22 blackwhite you think there would be room for competition? I mean after all the field is still very new
16:23 blackwhite design is my speciality but I do enough to code this stuff too
16:25 benkay you can always put up another website. the question i think you'll want to ask is if it's worth your time.
16:25 mike_c there is a lot of competition already if you are talking about stuff like https://bitcoinwisdom.com/
16:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0584 = 0.1168 BTC [-]
16:36 thestringpuller blackwhite: do you have a portfolio?
16:38 radan why isn't bitcoin run like a democracy
16:39 blackwhite thestringpuller yeah
16:39 blackwhite it's old though
16:39 blackwhite but here is a few things
16:40 blackwhite http://000fff.org/uploads/Nasdaq_Design_Final_new.png
16:40 blackwhite http://grab.by/vptq
16:40 ozbot TinyGrab - Simple. Screenshot. Sharing.
16:41 mike_c don't you know graphs are supposed to go up and to the right!?
16:41 benkay backoff thestringpuller blackwhite's mien
16:41 benkay mine*
16:41 blackwhite :)
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00095079 = 4.3736 BTC [-]
16:43 thestringpuller lololol
16:43 thestringpuller POACHERS
16:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600062 = 0.6001 BTC [-] {5}
16:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0009485 = 12.1882 BTC [-]
16:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+]
16:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+]
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-]
16:56 benkay !l m s.mpoe
16:56 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0009485 BTC [-]
16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00095043 = 4.8947 BTC [+]
16:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-]
16:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
17:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07099 = 1.4198 BTC [+]
17:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0571005 = 0.1142 BTC [+] {2}
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2}
17:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009485 = 12.7099 BTC [-]
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00094999 = 2.565 BTC [+] {2}
17:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64004 BTC [-]
17:33 blackwhite https://derivabit.com/
17:33 ozbot Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc.
17:35 Apocalyptic https://derivabit.com/about
17:35 ozbot Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc.
17:35 Apocalyptic looks like they're a bunch of winners
17:36 deadweasel mircea_popescu: "This then resolves the problem statistically, which is to say on average and generally speaking, people are unlikely to engage in morally hazardous behaviour. It also resolves the problem quite cheaply, as it requires absolutely no human intervention, the entire thing works quite mechanically."
17:36 deadweasel i love these two lines from http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
17:37 deadweasel that line is RE: 'betting late on bitbets no refund bitches'
17:38 deadweasel it's this cheap way to solve currently expensive problems. entire industries could be minimized or abandoned altogether (finance for one
17:39 deadweasel this nigga needs another bitcoin
17:39 deadweasel ;;lasers
17:39 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
17:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [-]
17:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-]
17:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00095096 = 3.8989 BTC [+] {2}
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00293368 = 0.3227 BTC [-] {6}
17:48 blackwhite SaxoBank used to my one of my clients
17:48 blackwhite http://www.coindesk.com/danish-investment-bank-owner-bitcoin-exploration/
17:53 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/new-system-tracks-and-zaps-flies-with-lasers-to-change-behaviors/
17:53 ozbot New system tracks and zaps flies with lasers to change behaviors | Ars Technica
17:54 peterl anybody here from bitbet?
17:55 mike_c lurking around, yeah. you can just ask if you have a question.
17:58 peterl did the terms for calculating winnings change recently? I seem to remember it used to weigh the whole amount bet, now you get what you put in back plus your weight of the losing side?
17:59 ThickAsThieves maybe give a specific example
17:59 jurov afaik nothing changed
18:00 ThickAsThieves and note the number you expect to get, in contrast with the number you are getting
18:00 deadweasel user can specify how much it's weighted
18:00 peterl well, I seem to remember people complaining that late bets would lose money?
18:00 deadweasel or starting weight
18:00 ThickAsThieves still the case
18:00 ThickAsThieves significant weight disparity can result in loss
18:00 ThickAsThieves even on a winning bet
18:01 deadweasel in fact: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
18:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
18:01 peterl yeah, but you can only go down to 99%
18:01 mike_c http://bitbet.us/faq/#140 explains how you can lose money on a bet.
18:01 ozbot FAQ BitBet
18:01 deadweasel ozbot should spam the channel with that at least once a day. boom, no more support.
18:01 peterl maybe I was just confused before?
18:01 deadweasel or mpexbot or assbot or a fuckingbot
18:02 ThickAsThieves peterl, you still havent clarified whether there are ever was a problem or misunderstanding
18:02 peterl yeah, that link is what I was looking at. I seem to remember it being worded differently in the past. Probly I was just confused before.
18:03 ThickAsThieves -are
18:03 ThickAsThieves maximum amount of loss on a winning bet is 100%
18:03 ThickAsThieves if you send late ;)
18:04 peterl well, yeah, but that is a whole different issue entirely
18:05 deadweasel bitbet, a neverending source of infotainment
18:05 jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ peterl here you can see it
18:05 ozbot BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%
18:06 jurov the weight 59/100000 is less than 1% bitbet fee , hence No loses
18:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299999 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2}
18:13 benkay ;;later tell blackwhite so tell me sir what was your best source of dealflow?
18:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00095198 = 20.0392 BTC [+] {2}
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18:31 radan what are some good beds to bid on
18:31 deadweasel tempurpedic
18:31 benkay i prefer bunks
18:31 cazalla beat me :\
18:31 benkay surely you meant to say "bed me", cazalla.
18:31 * deadweasel beats cazalla
18:31 cazalla ha
18:32 benkay cazalla's still looking for dat buttsecks
18:32 * deadweasel beds cazalla
18:32 deadweasel which means you got beaten twice
18:32 radan cazalla, are you a girl
18:32 cazalla no, what would make you think that
18:32 jurov i bed your pardon?
18:33 nubbins` http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
18:33 ozbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
18:33 cazalla (i was going to say yes)
18:33 radan I knew a girl named caz
18:33 deadweasel yo, i heard you like beds in yo bids on yo bitbet!
18:33 radan so I was wondering
18:33 deadweasel cas? cassie?
18:33 cazalla it's from a book
18:34 deadweasel wat book
18:35 cazalla a pirate book, forget the name
18:36 radan http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
18:36 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
18:36 deadweasel ass-pirates 12, the plundering?
18:36 mike_c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Latitudes
18:36 ozbot Pirate Latitudes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
18:36 radan there's a lot of people voting yes
18:36 radan hmmm
18:36 cazalla that's it
18:36 radan I don't get what it's saying
18:37 cazalla not the best book but i enjoy stuff like that, hornblower etc
18:37 mike_c hm, hornblower has got to be better than a book crichton wrote after he died
18:37 mike_c i liked hornblower
18:38 cazalla yeah, i wish they would make more, shame the books are a bit difficult to read - at least for me
18:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.05619641 = 0.7867 BTC [-] {9}
18:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.06545798 = 0.7855 BTC [+] {10}
18:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
18:55 benkay mircea_popescu: derivabit.com
18:58 benkay jurov: ^^
18:58 benkay thestringpuller: ^^ kakobrekla ^^
18:59 Neil .d
18:59 ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 6 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.6985% in 0d 0h 36m 43s
18:59 jurov yes i have seen. "Derivabit uses Coinbase’s spot rate."
18:59 mike_c they aren't even worth laughing at. a couple of front-end engineers built an options exchange.
19:00 jurov how do they want to protect from manipuation?
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00095345 = 7.1985 BTC [+]
19:00 mike_c i like their faq. question: "How can you have USD strike prices but option prices in BTC?" answer: "Orders can be canceled by their user at any time if they have not yet been matched"
19:00 benkay let's test 'em.
19:00 benkay i know, right mike_c?
19:00 benkay tee hee hee question unanswered
19:06 benkay http://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/33526
19:11 r3wt bcauth; r3wt
19:11 r3wt ;bcauth
19:11 r3wt help
19:12 r3wt ;;bcauth
19:12 gribble (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
19:12 r3wt ;;bcauth r3wt
19:12 gribble Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:84e544f76d7e0ac25e4d93a7ba6f807ce615c86e7cc8a1f727bcb5a8
19:12 benkay wd r3wt
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19:30 Neil So the next diff is just over 5 billion
19:34 novusordo doesn't that mean free hookers and beer?
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00095292 = 11.0062 BTC [-] {2}
19:39 nubbins` only for some
19:39 nubbins` also, dat mpoe
19:39 Mats_cd03 free dongs and used condoms
19:39 nubbins` !t m s.mg
19:39 assbot [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010748 / 0.000154 (7000 shares, 0.75 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00012597 / 0.000154 (12232 shares, 1.54 BTC)
19:40 Mats_cd03 !t m s.mpoe
19:40 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009485 / 0.00095208 / 0.00095791 (522419 shares, 497.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00079699 / 0.00087508 / 0.00096 (6292661 shares, 5,506.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085663 / 0.00096 (30411002 shares, 26,051.09 BTC)
19:40 Mats_cd03 how do i bot
19:40 nubbins` just like that
19:41 nubbins` i'm honestly bewildered by mpoe's volume
19:44 Mats_cd03 oh
19:44 Mats_cd03 ive had assbot on ignore this whole time
19:45 Duffer1 :D
19:46 Mats_cd03 wuts bewildering? 2600btc/30d?
19:47 Mats_cd03 well, with an additional 0
19:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00297601 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
19:51 jurov ;;prevdiffchange
19:52 gribble 17.80244
19:53 deadweasel holy shit 94!
19:54 deadweasel noice
19:59 ninjashogun is the public ledger going to contain every record from forever?
20:00 ninjashogun If bitcoin is used for 100 years, will anyone who participates have to download every single transactoin, ever, down to today?
20:01 deadweasel ask again in 100 yrs
20:01 deadweasel notice the timestampes
20:01 ninjashogun if the blockchain is already 20 GB, then in a year or two will it be like 100 GB - just to be part of the network?
20:02 deadweasel the future is undetermined
20:03 deadweasel you may not survive the year, nor me nor anybody elese
20:03 deadweasel else*
20:03 jurov ninjashogun: it will be pruned to store only most recent outputs and all the rest will be archived
20:03 deadweasel you can trust him, he traveleth the time.
20:04 jurov and even if not, 100GB of SSD isn't unaffordable, I hope
20:04 deadweasel especially in 2yrs
20:05 deadweasel ninjashogun: how old are you again?
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
20:05 jurov btw, I'm running btc and ltc and atc nodes off one 320gb spinning rust. seems to work fine
20:05 ninjashogun deadweasel, 28-32
20:06 ninjashogun I'm talking with a collaborator about crypto currencies and varoius exchanges, etc.
20:06 ninjashogun Does anyone here know about mastercoin?
20:06 ninjashogun Are mastercoin in here (a nick) for example? etc.
20:06 ninjashogun here or -otc or #bitcoin
20:06 Mats_cd03 huh
20:07 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, mastercoin. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=mastercoin
20:08 ninjashogun http://www.mastercoin.org/ - http://www.mastercoinfoundation.org/
20:08 ozbot Master Protocol & Mastercoin
20:08 CheckDavid :)
20:08 Mats_cd03 20:06 <ninjashogun> Are mastercoin in here (a nick) for example? etc. <<< huh
20:09 Mats_cd03 anyways people in here generally dont care about altchains
20:09 deadweasel ^
20:09 Mats_cd03 oh whoops i must have misunderstood the idea
20:09 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, I meant is a nick from one of the contributors in here. I should have asked in #bitcoin
20:09 Mats_cd03 ok
20:09 ninjashogun sorry about that
20:10 CheckDavid Mats_cd03: is master coin an alt chain @
20:10 CheckDavid It uses the btc block chain
20:11 Mats_cd03 i'm confused by the website, "Mastercoin To Create New Altcoins In Bitcoin’s Block Chain" is the title of a press release
20:11 Mats_cd03 so: idk
20:11 ninjashogun (by the way CheckDavid and I are on skype now, and we may be collaborating on the jobs thing. I talked with him for a couple of hours total, don't know him personally yet but we're on skype.)
20:11 ninjashogun (I have a good impression so far.)
20:12 ninjashogun This is just in the interest of full disclosure.
20:12 Mats_cd03 cute
20:12 CheckDavid Haha
20:12 benkay jurov: some days don't you feel like "fuck hardware"?
20:13 CheckDavid We are cybering
20:13 benkay aws has all this damn storage and compute
20:13 Mats_cd03 ;;ud docking
20:13 benkay i know crypto on cloud is anathema but OOOOH THE TEMPTATION
20:13 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | docking. The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis. David and Patrick enjoyed docking immensely because of Patty's ...
20:13 ozbot Urban Dictionary: docking
20:13 blackwhite evening gents
20:13 Mats_cd03 ^ CheckDavid + ninjashogun
20:13 CheckDavid <3
20:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00095527 = 18.1501 BTC [+] {3}
20:14 benkay ;;first CheckDavid
20:14 gribble Error: "first" is not a valid command.
20:14 Mats_cd03 mixing smegma is the most intimate moment one can share with another man
20:14 benkay gribble needs a ;;first to complement ;;seen
20:14 Duffer1 :(
20:15 Mats_cd03 alright i need a drink
20:16 Mats_cd03 https://github.com/shaih/HElib
20:17 CheckDavid Mats_cd03: but I think master coin doesn't have any alt chain
20:17 Mats_cd03 (useful for e-voting as per prev. discussion, and maybe even useful for reducing the size of the blockchain in the future)
20:18 benkay how so reduce size of blockchain?
20:18 CheckDavid If I interpreted what you meant by that properly
20:19 Mats_cd03 CheckDavid: i speak from a place of ignorance re: mastercoin so dont mind me
20:19 CheckDavid Oh OK
20:19 CheckDavid But yeah. I am not talking about just some random alt
20:20 CheckDavid It's supposedly a protocol that adds a lot of value to btc
20:20 benkay supposedly.
20:20 CheckDavid It's definitely a protocol
20:20 benkay and i guess bitcoin is just a protocol and so this thing is additively good
20:20 CheckDavid And it's definitely using the btc block chain
20:21 CheckDavid Now of its valuable , that's subjective as all value is
20:21 CheckDavid *if
20:21 nubbins` name a good movie
20:21 benkay glengarry glen ross
20:21 CheckDavid Pink panther
20:22 ninjashogun ha, pink panther
20:22 ninjashogun I was just watching that
20:23 cazalla can you trade bitcoons on the massahcoin network?
20:24 CheckDavid Lolol
20:25 Mats_cd03 benkay: pulled it out of my ass.
20:26 Mats_cd03 (wouldnt ever work, occurred to me without evidence)
20:28 nubbins` !t h hif
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00047505 / 0.00048074 / 0.00050498 (131 shares, 0.06297634 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.00047559 / 0.00051299 (9474 shares, 4.50576619 BTC), 30D: 0.00038802 / 0.0005072 / 0.00057500 (66406 shares, 33.68111884 BTC)
20:29 KRS-One nubbins?
20:29 nubbins` from what i can tell, they're about an order of magnitude off their trading volume predictions
20:29 nubbins` hi
20:30 kakobrekla /cap req -identify-msg
20:30 kakobrekla bleh
20:30 nubbins` hmm 3.4MB/s
20:30 nubbins` i gotta say, i'm happy with my internet service
20:30 nubbins` it's not often i straight-up download large files
20:31 nubbins` so i don't always appreciate it
20:31 nubbins` 4.2!
20:31 nubbins` but this is great :D
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32333 @ 0.00095571 = 30.901 BTC [+] {2}
20:33 ninjashogun http://i.minus.com/itOALVKyDoZDB.gif
20:34 copumpkin man, MPOE is hot again
20:37 blackwhite what do you think is the best wallet design you have seen, visually?
20:38 ninjashogun blackwhite - you mean physical (like leather) wallets?
20:38 deadweasel wallet.dat
20:38 ninjashogun Does anyone here know aobut https://cryptostocks.com/ (in specific)?
20:38 ninjashogun and what they're doing, whether trustworthy, etc
20:38 blackwhite i saw http://www.hivewallet.com which is interesting
20:38 Apocalyptic ninjashogun, they're full of scams
20:38 Duffer1 ninja you can trust them to list every scam in the space
20:40 Duffer1 they probably make so much money off it that they haven't yet decided to just run with the money
20:40 ninjashogun let's flip it around. Would a serious company that had traditoinal real-world financing rounds (convertible note, or equity offering with shareholder's agreement with a real VC) ever list on there?
20:40 Duffer1 nope
20:40 ninjashogun I meant to write the word "options" instead of the word "rounds"
20:40 ninjashogun okay
20:46 TestingUnoDosTre So apparently I've been living under a bush for a while, but the creator of Candy Crush was apparently successful at generating cash flow?
20:50 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: Cryptostocks/Vircurex just did clawbacks in yet another operator enacted scam
20:51 ninjashogun BingoBoingo, could you explain?
20:51 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html
20:51 BingoBoingo Run by the same operator as cryptostocks
20:51 ninjashogun yes I saw that
20:51 ninjashogun Oh that is VERY good information!!!
20:52 ninjashogun However, I will say one thing. At a macro level there is no FDIC, nor bailout.
20:52 BingoBoingo Well, can any platform that does such a thing be taken seriously?
20:52 ninjashogun I'll explain.
20:52 ninjashogun The reason is that actions are judged on the basis of their consequences.
20:52 ninjashogun Now it should have been practicing PROPER opsec.
20:52 ninjashogun It should NOT have had coins stolen.
20:52 ninjashogun But let's say it did.
20:52 ninjashogun What should it do now?
20:53 Apocalyptic ninjashogun, you're not making any sense
20:53 ninjashogun It could have done something even stronger: "We will now be fractional-reserve, the way all banks in the United States have operated for 100 years. We will not hold as many bitcoins physically as are in our accounts - nor make up the deficit."
20:53 ninjashogun (as are in YOUR accounts, I mean)
20:53 ninjashogun But it didn't say that:
20:53 Apocalyptic but they can't even satisfy withdrawals now
20:53 Apocalyptic that's why they are locking the balances, they've been operating fractional for years
20:53 Apocalyptic ninjashogun, are you not reading the statement ?
20:54 ninjashogun It said "We will get back to 100% reserve bank, owning as many bitcoins physically as people have on account. To get back up to that level we will take the profit from our operations and use it to build up the fractional level."
20:54 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: They never had a profit
20:54 ninjashogun Apocalyptic, according to that statement, ALL people will be paid back eventually.
20:54 ninjashogun I understand this.
20:54 Apocalyptic yeah yeah...
20:54 BingoBoingo In spite of raising 3000 some BTC in an "IPO"
20:54 ninjashogun I know.
20:54 Apocalyptic if you trust the statement
20:55 ninjashogun how many btc are they reporting stolen
20:55 benkay lol "all people will be paid back"
20:55 Apocalyptic you believe it too benkay don't you ?
20:55 ninjashogun wait, we can judge whether this has any chance of being true
20:55 benkay man if i had a btc for every time i've read that
20:55 benkay i judge stochastically these days ninjashogun
20:55 BingoBoingo ninja they have been a known shit heap since roughly February 2012
20:55 ninjashogun they raised 3000 btc in an IPO. That means that is free cash for them - they sold equity?
20:55 benkay 99% likelihood nobody gets paid back.
20:55 ninjashogun I understand that.
20:55 ninjashogun But if they shut down, that 99% becomes 100%.
20:56 benkay ...
20:56 benkay yes.
20:56 benkay that is very true.
20:56 BingoBoingo They got hacked, "IPO'd", got hacked again, started paying interest on deposits, and now this.
20:56 ninjashogun Let me make an analogy. (I might have the facts totally wrong). IN the seventies or eighties (no real idea on the decade, I'm guessing) the U.S. found that some third-world country had either stolen some of the mint's machinery, or gotten their hands on perfect reproductions. It could make undetectable counterfeit dollar bills.
20:56 ninjashogun What did they do - did they shut down all of the then-current series?
20:57 benkay eyo mo
20:57 ninjashogun No. They just let the counterfeiters print at the limiting capacity of those presses, taking the hit on the total money supply.
20:57 ninjashogun That is probably a better outcome than if they had "abandoned the dollar" due to its dilution by fake dollars.
20:57 moiety mew :)
20:57 Mats_cd03 lol
20:58 benkay what do you think mo: is a scam a scam?
20:58 ninjashogun Likewise, if a currency does get hacked, it is probably better to become fractional-reserve, or freeze accounts, or play other shenanigans, than just say, "Well we're gone now, bye, and thanks"
20:58 moiety benkay: not if its called a ponzi
20:58 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: This isn't a currency getting hacked.
20:58 benkay ba-dum-tsh
20:58 ninjashogun CheckDavid says (we're on skype) he doesn't get my point
20:59 BingoBoingo This is a business admitting its business model is incompatible with reality and failing to take the last necessary action.
20:59 ninjashogun My point is just that from among the alternatives, shutting down the exchange is guaranteed to have the worst possible outcome for lenders/creditors. (people who put thehir bitcoins or usd in.)
20:59 Mats_cd03 sure if you are the operator and you are honest then yes that is how it proceeds
20:59 moiety do you think kakobrekla can make an ignore that works on the logs too?
20:59 ninjashogun BingoBoingo, do you mean because vircurex is making it up?
20:59 ninjashogun BingoBoingo, and it's not a genuine thing that happened? That https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html is about a lie?
20:59 Mats_cd03 what incentive does a new customer have to become a part of a known weak exchange?
20:59 benkay moiety! stop trolling!
21:00 moiety >.>
21:00 moiety <.<
21:00 Mats_cd03 do you expect depositors to behave like their risk profile didnt just go up?
21:00 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: I mean the thing they need to do is stop, and the time for them to have done so was last winter
21:00 benkay i want an ignore that works on anyone who's unrated by people i've rated
21:00 Mats_cd03 write a script for your client
21:00 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, no, but I think that you will find in looking at Fiat that the fact that the money supply is unilaterally increased by letting banks put more into circulation than existed - and that the rate of this is a total unknown - does not deter people from using and holding USD.
21:00 moiety but that would mean me too for now
21:01 ninjashogun (More specificlaly, it does deter people from holding USD, but not entirely.)
21:01 benkay ah, rats.
21:01 moiety i will change this though
21:01 benkay yes plz do
21:01 benkay maybe nag nano to let you auth with doge or something ;)
21:01 benkay that's the really silly thing about not getting in the wot
21:01 benkay it only takes a btc addy
21:01 Mats_cd03 nobody cares about the size of the bitcoin money supply
21:02 Mats_cd03 what are you trying to say
21:02 moiety i would quite like my wot untainted :P
21:02 moiety we did make bitcoinmagazine in other news
21:02 benkay untainted by what?!
21:02 moiety doge lol
21:02 gribble such auth, very doge
21:03 moiety gribble!!!
21:03 benkay ;;gribble
21:03 gribble yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
21:03 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, well what is the PRIMARY issue with putting your bitcoin in a site that is currently freezing someone else's bitcoins? Look at that and you will see, some people may still put some of their bitocins in.
21:03 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, would anyone ever put their bitcoins onto a site that is currently freezing somebody else's bitcoins - and they know this?
21:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.64797672 = 4.5358 BTC [+] {3}
21:04 moiety Did Izzy ever re-appear? sorry i wasn't around
21:04 benkay ;;seen Izzy_
21:04 gribble Izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Izzy_> ok
21:04 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, we know for a fact that with real currencies the answer is "yes". We know because people used paypal when paypal froze merchant's accounts and ruined their businesses. We know because people use US Banks when US Banks freeze people's accounts while they're under investigatoin. etc.
21:05 benkay difference there being 0.01% get fucked vs. 100% get fucked in this situation.
21:05 benkay .bait
21:05 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/6c8140cdfacc9094758b3b455fded46a/tumblr_mgk585YVJc1rgmx4co1_500.jpg
21:05 Duffer1 ninjashogun cryptostocks continued operation is a gross violation of common sense, morality, and probably most jurisdiction's laws
21:05 benkay cute.
21:06 moiety i like this one
21:06 benkay cryptostocks continued operation is a gross violation of thermodynamics.
21:06 benkay vircurex too.
21:06 Apocalyptic ^
21:06 Mats_cd03 thighs
21:07 BingoBoingo benkay: I don't think it is proper to separate the shenanigans of the two
21:07 Mats_cd03 nobody cares about the continued operation per se; its the continued damage to the reputation of legitimate operators within the ecosystem
21:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00630873 = 0.4416 BTC [-] {2}
21:08 Duffer1 that and the certain damage to future unwary participants in the exchange
21:08 Mats_cd03 besides which, there is no incentive for new customers in lieu of a new risk profile
21:09 benkay fuck 'em all, let everyone drown.
21:09 benkay it's a rotten ship and they're all rats.
21:09 Mats_cd03 paypal and usg having a number of such incentives that enable them to operate like thugs
21:09 benkay Mats_cd03: tack another three order of magnitude on for thuggery.
21:13 Mats_cd03 also, something about conflating deposits in a exchange with actual currency...
21:13 Mats_cd03 reconsidering whether or not im being trolled tbqh
21:16 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/thomasjackmusic/benjamin-francis-leftwich
21:16 ninjashogun Mats_cd03, you're not being trolled
21:17 ninjashogun It's interesting though that the exchanges are behaving as the early unregulated banks did. Complete with bank runs :) (According to the quoted Vircurex text - "https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html")
21:17 ninjashogun "We had enough coin balances in our cold wallet to upkeep our platform and the positive cashflow enabled us to gradually refill the wallets.
21:17 ninjashogun Unfortunately we had large fund withdrawals in the last weeks which have lead to a complete depletion of our cold wallet balance and we are now facing the option of either closing the site with significant unrecoverable losses for all or to work out a solution that allows the exchange to continue to operate and gradually pay back the losses. "
21:17 ninjashogun I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime :) :) :)
21:19 moiety what the absolute fuck
21:19 ninjashogun moiety, you know the history of banks in the United States (and elswhere) right
21:20 moiety ninjashogun: why yes, only yesterday i learned the voice of siri was the voice for the very first atm (tillie the teller i believe) << such history
21:21 blackwhite someone would make a killing setting up a 24/7 security company watching over those online wallets
21:22 moiety sigh* why do you ask ninjashogun
21:22 blackwhite how the fuck can their security be so bad? Or is it just the hackers who are that good?
21:22 moiety or hidden answer c. scamming fucks
21:22 TestingUnoDosTre never knew that about tillie the teller, thanks moiety
21:23 BingoBoingo blackwhite: Vircurex was hacked way back during Winter 2012-Spring 2013
21:23 blackwhite yeah
21:23 TestingUnoDosTre quick poll here: How long does it take for all of you to type "We were hacked for XX,XXX BTC."
21:24 moiety TestingUnoDosTre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6boqUfzUD8 here she is explaining
21:24 BingoBoingo blackwhite: In their case the culprit seemed to be Ruby on Rails
21:26 cazalla people actually use siri?
21:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.055035 = 0.5504 BTC [-] {3}
21:27 TestingUnoDosTre People are ridiculous, no?
21:29 kakobrekla <blackwhite> someone would make a killing setting up a 24/7 security company watching over those online wallets < - is this opening asciis parachute after you have hit the ground?
21:29 blackwhite ?
21:30 blackwhite sorry not sure I understand?
21:30 blackwhite humor and irony is lost on me
21:30 Apocalyptic kako : sounds like it
21:30 Apocalyptic blackwhite, when you notice the theft it's already too late
21:31 blackwhite yeah sure. But I am pretty sure one of the problems is that they are not looking and monitoring all the time
21:32 blackwhite so I am saying setup a company who look for suspicius deals or have a whitelist of larger transactions. (i.e. tell this company when you are going to make larger transactions)
21:32 radan can I wager money on mpoe
21:32 radan or mpex
21:33 Apocalyptic "have a whitelist of larger transactions." what ?
21:33 Apocalyptic i'm not sure you get how it works
21:34 Apocalyptic and what prevents the theif from withdrawing a lot in small amounts ,
21:36 Mats_cd03 radan: http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/
21:36 mircea_popescu soo
21:36 radan what does "trades above 0.001 BTC " mean
21:36 mircea_popescu what's new
21:36 Mats_cd03 per share
21:37 radan so like
21:37 radan btc instead of dollars
21:37 ninjashogun radan ye
21:37 ninjashogun btc is a currency
21:37 ninjashogun like the way ice cream can cost $0.75 for example, it could cost a certain amount of BTC 0.001 or whatever
21:38 radan right
21:38 radan so mpoe's had an ipo
21:38 radan and people are buying stock in it
21:38 ninjashogun yes
21:38 ninjashogun exactly
21:39 radan wow
21:39 TestingUnoDosTre ;;whoami
21:39 gribble I don't recognize you.
21:39 mircea_popescu that was in... 2012 ?
21:39 radan the future is now
21:40 TestingUnoDosTre no, the future was 2012
21:40 blackwhite Apocalyptic i get how it works and nothing prevents them from removing a lot of small amount other than that kind of consitution the same as a large amount. If they have to do it over a month then I would most probably know.
21:41 blackwhite constituting even
21:41 radan why don't banks do this
21:41 TestingUnoDosTre ;;whois radan
21:41 gribble Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:41 blackwhite anyway just thinking out loud here.
21:41 radan besides that they probably have tons of cash to play around with in usd
21:42 TestingUnoDosTre do the mods at bitbet work certain hours of the day, or are they more like round clock rotation type
21:42 mircea_popescu sorta round the clock.
21:43 radan wow
21:43 radan someone bet 600,000 that bitcoin will beat berkshire hathaway
21:43 radan maybe they know something we don't
21:43 TestingUnoDosTre someone
21:43 TestingUnoDosTre lol
21:44 TestingUnoDosTre it's called bitcoin
21:44 MisterE http://newsbtc.com/2014/03/24/tera-group-forms-legal-framework-bitcoin-swaps/
21:44 copumpkin radan: the someone was the last message before you said that
21:44 MisterE Finally someone is making a derivatives market!
21:44 MisterE I hope this is the stability we've been looking for
21:44 radan oh, cool
21:44 moiety i sent someone to bitbet today. i linked them and they still searched google and tried .com. conclusion: some people can't be helped.
21:45 radan maybe I should bet .1 btc on that bet
21:45 mircea_popescu moiety you ever hook up with that izzy chick ?
21:45 radan if I win, then I get 2.8 bitcoin
21:45 MisterE my first time to bitbet I hit .com too
21:45 moiety doesn't look like she has everre-appeared
21:45 mircea_popescu ah
21:45 moiety i did think on emailing her, but .. life.
21:46 radan but my whole life savings is in btc
21:46 radan if I lose .1 btc I'd be down 60 actual dollars
21:46 radan hmm
21:46 mircea_popescu MisterE you know we had a derivatives market for about two years, and yes it did bring plenty of stability heh
21:46 * mircea_popescu contemplates being butthurt
21:46 radan I guess it's a better investment than keeping in my wallet doing nothing
21:47 radan alright, I'll do it
21:47 mircea_popescu bets aren't really investments, they're gambling
21:47 moiety ;; later tell Izzy_ Do you still need help?
21:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:47 ninjashogun mircea_popescu did you ever trade debt?
21:47 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, or even default swaps for example?
21:47 radan how do I bet on bitbet
21:48 radan wait nvm
21:48 radan there's a faq
21:48 moiety mircea_popescu: http://s18.photobucket.com/user/bobbarker31/media/3280983403_b0e0503945_o.jpg.html
21:48 MisterE please retype the internet into IRC for me :p
21:48 MisterE what do you mean mircea_popescu ?
21:48 mircea_popescu lol
21:49 TestingUnoDosTre I wish you could trade default swaps on bitcoin companies... like virtuex
21:49 Apocalyptic lol
21:49 mircea_popescu MisterE http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ like that.
21:49 Apocalyptic that would be nice indeed
21:49 CheckDavid mircea_popescu: do you know about Master coin ?
21:49 mircea_popescu yeah.
21:49 ninjashogun so here's a genuine question.
21:49 duduqa Have you ever considered creating an alt-channel #bitcoin-assets-stupid for beginners, people with learning disabilities etc like myself?
21:50 mircea_popescu this is it.
21:50 CheckDavid Any short comments on it mircea_popescu ?
21:50 CheckDavid Loool
21:50 ninjashogun given that there's no due dilligence that can be done. no contracts that can be enforced. no sec. no proof you're not getting scammed. and every listing on crypto stocks is a scam. and the OPERATOR is a scammer. ......... how is anyone investing? How is the market 'clearing' (bid meets ask)
21:50 mircea_popescu CheckDavid it doesn't do much.
21:50 CheckDavid Oh I see
21:50 ninjashogun duduqa, come to #bitcoin-assets-stupid
21:51 ninjashogun I am OP I will give you voice.
21:51 mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre yeah, because the counterparties would be solvent, in that paralel universe where idiots have infinite bitcoins
21:51 mircea_popescu to go with their infinite hitpoints
21:51 CheckDavid You mean doesn't do much yet. Or it won't do much of anything in the near future?
21:51 mircea_popescu CheckDavid what do you expect it to do ?
21:51 CheckDavid Issue stocks for example
21:51 mircea_popescu nubbins` maybe he meant unexpectedly keel over.
21:52 CheckDavid Distribute dividends
21:52 TestingUnoDosTre you could sell them in neat little batches with different risk profiles... it would be a paradise
21:52 ninjashogun CheckDavid, come to #bitcoins-assets-stupid with me and duduqa
21:52 CheckDavid Exchange currencies without risk of scam at the trade level
21:52 CheckDavid ninjashogun: go sleep
21:52 radan is multibit secure?
21:52 ninjashogun lol ok
21:52 CheckDavid Haha
21:53 mircea_popescu radan more or less
21:53 ninjashogun wait I do want an answer to my question above on why anyone would invest in crypto stocks - don't people with money to invest have standards?
21:53 ninjashogun given that there's no due dilligence that can be done. no contracts that can be enforced. no sec. no proof you're not getting scammed. and every listing on crypto stocks is a scam. and the OPERATOR is a scammer. ......... how is anyone investing?
21:53 radan awesome
21:53 mircea_popescu no major issues so far afaik
21:54 moiety you just listed reasons why you haven't found investment yourself there ninjashogun
21:55 BingoBoingo radan: I prefer 0.5.11 to newer multibit releases
21:55 kakobrekla they are not all scam, just most.
21:55 mircea_popescu bitcoin decentral accelerate ? srsly ?
21:55 mircea_popescu "the world's first" of course.
21:55 mircea_popescu who the fuck thought someone wants a mentor they've never met.
21:56 mircea_popescu jesus im too old for online
21:56 ninjashogun moiety- I have not listed on any crypto stock site.
21:56 moiety thats not what i meant
21:56 ninjashogun moeity - I was kind of invited by someone - not sure if he's a scammer. (that means he probably is.)
21:56 ninjashogun fyrstikken was the person
21:56 ninjashogun Do you guys know what he's doing?
21:57 moiety lovely for you ninjashogun, invited where? make sure he sees you home like a gentleman
21:57 MisterE MP: I see that monthly statement, bummer month, but anyways what am I missing about a derivatives connection? the bonds market?
21:57 radan this feels pretty momentous
21:57 radan http://s28.postimg.org/54j7713vx/bitcoins.png
21:57 mircea_popescu options are derivatives in my book
21:57 mircea_popescu not in yours ?
21:57 copumpkin o.O
21:57 ninjashogun invited to list on his site
21:57 ninjashogun forget the link - it has fyrstikken in it
21:58 ninjashogun I mean, I forget the name of the link, but it has the term "fyrstikken" in it.
21:58 ninjashogun it's a crypto stock link.
21:59 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, everyone's trying to pass off bucket shop bullshit for "derivatives"
21:59 mircea_popescu non deliverable = scam. period.
21:59 radan wait a second
21:59 radan is bitbet legal
21:59 MisterE yea they are but a robust derivatives market is more than options
22:00 mircea_popescu MisterE well x.eur is a future. x.idiff are futures
22:00 ninjashogun I found the link in my logs. It's http://www.fyrstikken.tv/3993A732-057F-426B-A046-7B44B7ED03D6/Fyrstikken.TV.html
22:00 ninjashogun and I was introduced to him explicitly by someone.
22:00 MisterE I dont think I'm understanding everything I'm reading there
22:00 asciilifeform today's lulz:
22:00 asciilifeform http://nsa.gov1.info/dni/2014/nsa-china-military.jpg
22:00 MisterE ok
22:00 ninjashogun Do any of you know that site?
22:00 ThickAsThieves undeliverable isnt the same as non-deliverable
22:00 mircea_popescu the various stocks either don't have enough volume or, for the non-mpex crowd, arten't actually stocks, don't even publish statements etc
22:00 ninjashogun hi, asciilifeform
22:00 mircea_popescu cfds are a long way away
22:00 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what difference do yo uhave in mind there ?
22:01 ThickAsThieves referring to diff futures etc not being the same as USD btc options
22:01 mircea_popescu diff futures are a pain in the butt
22:01 mircea_popescu but from what i've seen these people were trying to sell icbit-style "futures" on the usd
22:01 ThickAsThieves but one of the futures i know
22:02 ThickAsThieves best*
22:02 mircea_popescu was the wsj story about diff futures ?
22:02 ThickAsThieves love me some diff bets
22:02 ThickAsThieves no
22:02 ThickAsThieves i dont think so at least
22:02 ThickAsThieves there were a few today i didnt read em all
22:02 radan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_casino#United_States
22:02 ozbot Online casino - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:02 ThickAsThieves i assumed it was all the same news
22:02 radan it's alright
22:02 TestingUnoDosTre asciilifeform that is some top secret shit right there 1!!
22:03 radan unless you live in nevada you can probably use it, I gather
22:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd really love to see the chinese files on nato
22:04 MisterE ThickAsThieves: you're talking abotu Tera?
22:04 ThickAsThieves "The first way is as follows, since 80% of the Icelandic population is on Facebook, Icelandic citizens will be able to claim their coins simply by logging into Facebook through a gateway."
22:04 ThickAsThieves MisterE i dunno
22:04 ThickAsThieves i mostly forgot about it after i read it
22:05 ThickAsThieves i cant respect a btc derivative that doesnt touch btc
22:05 ThickAsThieves too dirty
22:05 mircea_popescu ;;later tell MykelSIlver it makes relatively little difference what software bitbet.us runs, as webserver doesn't really hold coins anywya
22:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:06 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file << notrly such a bad idea.
22:06 ThickAsThieves it makes a difference if the site can be compromised and depsot addressed get mitm'd
22:06 ThickAsThieves deposit*
22:06 mircea_popescu well it doesn't run wordpress afaik, but that's no absolute guarantee.
22:06 ThickAsThieves wordpress loving to be compromised n all
22:06 mircea_popescu concerned parties are advised to send some dust first, that'll verify the address and lock it down
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00095224 = 18.4735 BTC [-] {2}
22:07 ThickAsThieves "The second way for an Icelandic citizen to receive their auroracoins will be through SMS. The person’s cell phone number will then be matched with their National ID number and once verified the user will receive their auroracoins."
22:07 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/judge-joe-brown-arrested-and-jailed-for-contempt-of-cou-1550813313
22:07 ozbot Judge Joe Brown Arrested and Jailed for Contempt of Court
22:07 mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay that salt stuff sounds like unintended malleability.
22:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:07 MisterE pretty much everyone I know gets hacked for the first time using WordPress
22:07 ThickAsThieves is there a year-long auroracoin bet yet?
22:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cou, being, of course, ass. in french. so contempt of cou...
22:08 radan damn, iceland's pretty smart
22:08 ThickAsThieves ...
22:08 MisterE this is the news I'm talking about ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-24/bitcoin-swaps-near-reality-as-tera-group-forms-legal-framework.html
22:08 radan this is like giving every man a farm so he can work productively
22:08 ThickAsThieves iceland has no part in it radan
22:08 MisterE yea I wanted to move to Iceland for long time now
22:09 ThickAsThieves it's just some guy sending coins to people
22:09 ThickAsThieves an idea of a thing
22:09 mircea_popescu ~worthless~ coins to peoplke.
22:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, of all of the things to have drawn contempt from, asses might not be that bad
22:09 radan I don't think you can, MisterE
22:10 radan Iceland's pretty tight on immigration unless you're rich or a refugee
22:10 MisterE yea not unless you're Scandanavian resident already
22:10 MisterE thats what I found
22:10 radan I presume you want to go there because they have a stable society
22:10 moiety i like to top comment re judge judy BingoBoingo
22:11 ThickAsThieves go to switzerland
22:11 ThickAsThieves or canada
22:11 ThickAsThieves pretty stable places
22:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00299999 = 0.105 BTC [+]
22:11 radan but consider that the reason for this is that everyone shares significant ethnic and cultural bonds you are not privy to
22:11 MisterE canada is lost
22:11 MisterE and Iceland is on the same track so in retrospect I'm glad I stayed put
22:11 asciilifeform mark twain's theorem. 'don't join the club that would let you in.'
22:11 mircea_popescu whos judge brown anyway
22:11 TestingUnoDosTre If anyone finds a version of that bitcoin swaps article that contains comments about the winklevoss brothers, please send it to me. I read it earlier today and broke out laughing, but I can't find it now :(
22:11 bones` My hometown shining star of Reality TV, mircea_popescu
22:12 ThickAsThieves a tv judge?
22:12 ThickAsThieves yeah
22:12 ThickAsThieves like Montel meets Judge Judy
22:12 bones` He just gets loud and says catchphrases
22:12 ThickAsThieves he looks way cooler with that handlebar stache
22:13 bones` He looks like 5 miles of bad road if you ask me
22:13 radan alright
22:13 radan I did it
22:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He was one of those daytime shows that keep those with nothing to do during the day sated in between ration tickets.
22:13 TestingUnoDosTre apparently, he was an actual criminal judge for a county back in the day
22:13 bones` Ya my county. :(
22:13 mircea_popescu deadweasel finance couldn't be abandoned, i dont think. merely reduced to it's bare bones.
22:14 TestingUnoDosTre I would rather my county have a pompous tv personality judge than a real hard ass judge
22:14 radan hopefully I won't need to eat those 60 bucks anytime soon
22:14 mircea_popescu currently there's one valuable person per bank office : the credits officer. he's the guy that makes the call if lending is a good idea.
22:14 mircea_popescu everyone else just pushes paper, does forms and bs. that could be done away with
22:14 BingoBoingo Joe Brown is one of those cases of if you stare too deep into the ghetto, you eventually become ghetto
22:14 mircea_popescu cut 99.5% of the workforce woreking in a bank, increase salaries for the remainder 10 to 100x
22:14 mircea_popescu more inequality, better service.
22:15 ThickAsThieves no one goes to banks anymore anyway
22:15 mircea_popescu i do actually.
22:15 radan consider that the purpose of a business (from a societal, not individual viewpoint) is to keep as many people as busy as possible
22:15 ThickAsThieves well me too
22:15 ThickAsThieves but
22:15 ThickAsThieves i read an article today that says like 30% down or something
22:15 radan that's one of the metrics the government likes to use
22:15 mircea_popescu well prolly.
22:15 ThickAsThieves http://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/more-than-30-of-americans-havent-visited-a-bank-in-last-six
22:15 ozbot More Than 30% Of Americans Haven't Visited A Bank In The Last Six Months
22:16 mircea_popescu radan government can stand on its head. businessmen decide what business is.
22:16 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that may be because they're broke.
22:16 radan in a perfect world, yea
22:16 mircea_popescu ;;later peterl it's not changed since last year.
22:16 gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
22:16 asciilifeform can't speak for others in the land of the sad, but i haven't been inside a bank in ages.
22:17 mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl it's not changed since last year.
22:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:17 radan but governments tend to monopolize force
22:17 asciilifeform most banks let you deposit cheques by photocopy now
22:17 ThickAsThieves also cuz everyone uses credit cards
22:17 MisterE lending officers rarely are located in branches anymore
22:17 radan and use it like a club to beat on anyone who's not following their "recommendations"
22:17 MisterE they mostly rely on computer algorithms and usually give the go ahead from some corporate HQ
22:18 moiety i'm only ever in my bank when i need to shout at them for fucking something up
22:18 MisterE ^
22:19 mircea_popescu i wonder how long before that berkshire bet collects 1k on no side
22:19 ThickAsThieves i'm quite happy the Yes bets are so little
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20889 @ 0.00095455 = 19.9396 BTC [+] {2}
22:20 radan waaaait
22:20 mircea_popescu so little ? it's huge
22:20 ThickAsThieves since yours
22:20 radan I thought betting yes would return 28x
22:20 radan it only returns 1x and some change?
22:20 ThickAsThieves so few, i shouldve said
22:21 mircea_popescu radan you were probably looking at no
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9088 @ 0.00095652 = 8.6929 BTC [+] {3}
22:21 radan :/
22:22 radan trolled by my own reading comprehension
22:22 ThickAsThieves yeah i read a bet like 4 or 5 times before sending
22:22 ThickAsThieves it's amazing how twist a yes or no bet can be
22:22 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:22 ThickAsThieves twisty*
22:22 mircea_popescu a good policy is perhaps to never bet the day you discover a bet
22:23 ThickAsThieves I have a celendar reminder to review bitbet every 3 days
22:23 radan maybe I'll invest the same amount in the other direction to cancel it out
22:23 duduqa have you guys seen this: http://www.semana.com/aplicaciones/articulo/peligro-ni-se-le-ocurra-intentar-ganar-plata-con-bitcoin/381503-3
22:23 mircea_popescu you don't need the same ammt, read the article about how to cancel
22:23 duduqa Colombia to "ban" bitcoin
22:24 mircea_popescu duduqa i had no idea colombia actually can ban things. didn't they fail with cocaine ?
22:24 MisterE radan: you're the kind of man they give free trips to Vegas to :p
22:24 duduqa mircea_popescu: I said "ban" exactly because of that
22:24 MisterE betting both sides, the house loves you :)
22:25 mircea_popescu :p
22:25 mircea_popescu MisterE no actually, betting both sides is the way to play.
22:25 mircea_popescu this is mutual not bs.
22:25 ThickAsThieves i bet both sides of the berkshire bet
22:25 ThickAsThieves how could you not
22:25 MisterE what?
22:25 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
22:25 MisterE you have a fee so you're always out then
22:25 ozbot BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty?
22:25 mircea_popescu this is actually not so far off
22:26 mircea_popescu MisterE you don't understand the weight
22:26 MisterE oh there's odds?
22:26 mircea_popescu there's weight and implicit odds
22:26 MisterE thats understandable then
22:26 mircea_popescu you can shave plenty just by watching the bets.
22:26 MisterE hmmm
22:26 mircea_popescu perfectly legit way to make cash. liquidity providing, as it were.
22:26 MisterE I'm afraid to look into it another time sink!
22:27 mircea_popescu yeah this isn't for amateurs. raw power, so it requires solid understanding of what's going on.
22:27 MisterE the more I hear you guys chatter about it the more likely will though heh
22:27 benkay i still don't actually understand how to actually play parimutuel odds
22:28 MisterE I do remember briefly reading the site and what exactly a yes or no could mean was very difficult to determine sometimes
22:28 MisterE even with the outcome explaination
22:28 MisterE explanation*
22:28 radan okay
22:28 radan .1 on yes
22:28 moiety way more fun to learn than say fucking javascript
22:28 radan .05 on no
22:29 MisterE benkay: I understand that as the first few people who are in share the winnings
22:29 radan then I win either way
22:30 radan god, this is awesome
22:30 radan it's like a license to print money
22:30 benkay moiety it can't be that hard to learn to say fucking javascript
22:30 benkay pretty sure that's the first thing i learned when i started working with javascript as a matter of fact.
22:30 benkay "fucking javascript"
22:30 MisterE hah
22:31 moiety not hard, just tedious benkay . i think i have the fucking javascript up part totally down
22:32 benkay javascript and python feel like guns that just want to point at my feet
22:32 benkay i'm out here trying to kill some bison to feed my people and my damn gun just won't stop pointing at my foot
22:32 mircea_popescu radan lol enjoy.
22:32 moiety python can just go slither away until i have a dev chained to a raditor somewhere
22:32 duduqa gotta go, folks, have a goof day/night
22:32 moiety radiator*
22:32 duduqa good
22:33 radan wait
22:33 radan let's say the payout for yes on a given bet is 1.5
22:33 radan and no's is, say, 20
22:34 radan what stops you from betting 1 on yes
22:34 radan and .5 on 20
22:34 radan then you either make back what you made or win 10 btc
22:34 radan *what you spent
22:34 MisterE heh http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/
22:35 benkay radan: you've discovered hedging.
22:36 mircea_popescu so now i'm getting spam from mastercoin.org
22:36 mircea_popescu i guess that's what killfiles are for, but srsly...
22:37 moiety did anjiecast ever come in?
22:37 mircea_popescu sure.
22:38 moiety what name? how did i miss that :/
22:38 mircea_popescu princessnell
22:38 radan actually, that's not possible on any of the bets up right now
22:38 radan nvm
22:38 benkay i scared her off, moiety
22:39 moiety ah, lol i did see that :P
22:39 radan unless the bet payouts increase in either direction
22:39 radan that can't happen tho
22:39 Mats_cd03 you don't have to type every thought that comes into your head
22:40 moiety it is a big channel, it was perhaps just all the eyes
22:40 radan if some newbie reads the log and thinks he can print money based on what I said 10 mins ago, I'd like to help him out by telling him it's impossible
22:41 mircea_popescu o, some noobie ?
22:41 Mats_cd03 lol
22:42 moiety i can serve cosmopolitans and offer to burn bras at the door if required
22:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35116 @ 0.00095236 = 33.4431 BTC [-] {5}
22:43 TestingUnoDosTre radan, the statement below the calculator is quite important to read "after fees, at current weight and assuming no one else bets"
22:43 kakobrekla thats why its grayed out
22:43 mircea_popescu lol
22:43 TestingUnoDosTre hahahaha
22:44 TestingUnoDosTre can you get your honkeys on http://bitbet.us/bet/792/btc-difficulty-increases-to-remain-under-16/
22:44 mike_c everybody is going to get in on that proposed NBA finals bet as soon as it's approved.
22:45 mike_c new ATH bitbet
22:46 MisterE so you have to shore up your bets as it comes close to closing time for them
22:47 TestingUnoDosTre like drop some more BTC on your same bet? what do you mean by shore up
22:48 radan what stops people from arming militants or buying drugs with btc
22:48 radan besides the low daily convertible volume
22:49 Mats_cd03 why should anything stop people from those things
22:49 TestingUnoDosTre because the phrase BTC was injected, duh
22:49 radan so either they do happen
22:49 moiety who says it is stopped radan?
22:50 radan or the kind of people who do that kind of stuff don't know about bitcoin
22:50 radan hmm
22:50 moiety fed bought abrin off a teenager with btc
22:50 TestingUnoDosTre abrin?
22:50 moiety a toxin like ricin
22:50 TestingUnoDosTre oh nevermind, read that article
22:50 TestingUnoDosTre some kids are just... stupid
22:51 moiety point is they can be stupid using fiat or btc, it's not the issue
22:51 the20year How goes it?
22:51 MisterE substitue "cash" for BTC
22:51 MisterE same saem
22:51 MisterE people buy drugs not BTC
22:54 moiety drug related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odEiLWJYBL4&feature=youtu.be also bonus bears
22:54 radan bitcoin should start accepting bitcoin
22:54 radan *al qaeda
22:54 radan or maybe they already do
22:54 radan but only the saudis know what address they use :/
22:55 TestingUnoDosTre corrupt us politicians should start accepting bitcoin, or maybe they already do
22:55 radan oooh
22:55 TestingUnoDosTre would love to see a superPAC funded by a BTC donation...
22:56 TomServo .d
22:56 ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1987 blocks | Estimated Change: 49.6388% in 6d 22h 30m 43s
22:56 moiety that video is actually circulating with fake subs re Fred Pherlps death
22:56 radan the potential of all this is only just now dawning on me
22:56 moiety Phelps*
22:57 benkay lol radan
22:57 TestingUnoDosTre radan, have you not pondered much on the real world before?
22:58 benkay give it a year, the mindfucks slow down eventually but don't stop.
22:58 moiety lol
22:58 benkay you don't even have to wrap your head around the monster that was mpoe.
22:58 mircea_popescu le minfuques
22:58 benkay that's not french!
22:59 mircea_popescu then why do you think i have this outrageous accent
22:59 mircea_popescu you silly beenquey
22:59 benkay you're simply outrageous, mircea_popescu
22:59 mircea_popescu no
22:59 mircea_popescu no i am no
22:59 benkay murcha popaskew
22:59 mircea_popescu no no no i am
22:59 mircea_popescu yes i am.
23:00 mircea_popescu ;;google are you the simply outrageous brain specialist
23:00 gribble You'll have to answer these outrageous interview ... - GeekWire: <http://www.geekwire.com/2014/top-interview-questions-2014/>; Husband: Pregnant, brain-dead wife wouldn't want to be on life ...: <http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/justice/pregnant-life-support-texas/>; Why does modern medicine throw out our brains? - Outrageous ...: <http://www.outrageousfortune.net/2012/03/does- (1 more message)
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33217 @ 0.00094812 = 31.4937 BTC [-] {4}
23:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00094794 = 17.8687 BTC [-]
23:06 mike_c the20year: how's business? any new houses?
23:07 moiety has anyone here used Subversion?
23:07 mike_c probably lots (including me)
23:07 Apocalyptic you should rather use git
23:09 moiety its specifically for giving remote ssh access to one domain only rather than the whole hosting account. i can use git for that?
23:10 moiety oh ofc nvm
23:10 moiety whats wrong with subversion?
23:10 mike_c nothing. just centralized vs. decentralized git/mercurial.
23:11 Apocalyptic mike_c, also the fact that svn handles branches awfully
23:11 mike_c well, mercurial can't do shallow clones.
23:11 mike_c so there! :)
23:13 MisterE git > svn
23:13 Apocalyptic ^
23:13 the20year mike_c: i'm not sure where hte last update was here. We have 6 total properties either purchased or in contract. closed on #4 today, supposed to close on #5 any day now. #6 closes the 7th of next month
23:13 mike_c planning on more purchases?
23:13 moiety i thought i always wanted decentralized on everything?
23:14 mike_c i think you can build source control into an altcoin.
23:14 the20year Yeah, definately. really would like to do a flip here soon but i don't have a any good candidates for that right now. Got a few duplexes I'm looking at, one is $27k the other is $39.9k
23:14 mike_c the20year: and congrats on 6. the ipo was helpful then?
23:15 mike_c wow, duplex for 27.
23:15 Apocalyptic the20year, where are you buying these flats ?
23:16 the20year Central Ohio
23:16 the20year Yes, very helpful , we've got a few great announcements coming up. Still have 100ish BTC left in reserves for another property
23:16 the20year One of the candidates we barely miss was just re-listed. They bought it for $52k, I imagine put $10k or less in it and have it on the market for $119k
23:17 mike_c i'll take the duplex for 27.
23:18 the20year I have to take a look at it, we might be able to get it for $20k or so. they bought it in 2006 and managed it quite poorly. tenant burnt down a garage and they gave it up
23:18 the20year Well , gave up on being a landlord
23:18 KRS-One why
23:18 mike_c having your garage burnt down could do that :)
23:18 the20year I'm gonna bet they didn't carry insurance
23:19 the20year We on the otherhand carry half a million dollars on each property, and then are applying for a $2m-$3m blanket for the company itself
23:19 benkay !t h rent
23:19 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00557689 / 0.00563480 (119 shares, 0.66365036 BTC), 7D: 0.00520000 / 0.00543286 / 0.00568460 (2290 shares, 12.44126039 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555894 / 0.00900001 (50160 shares, 278.83621664 BTC)
23:20 the20year Well , it's half a mill per occupant, then premises of no less than 80%. best thing on earth would be for a house to be burnt to the ground without anyone hurt :D it's amazing to me how much they insure our properties for
23:20 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:20 the20year The property we just bought for $70k has a rebuild value of something like $275k
23:21 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves check it out, this dood would like to make a bet provided mpoe-pr doesn't pay for it in bitcoin and she agrees that no bet can be made.
23:21 mircea_popescu these people.
23:21 benkay interesting how RENT performs as it converts its BTC-denominated assets to USD-denominated assets.
23:26 the20year and thankfully over all this volatility we've cashed out at higher BTC:USD values
23:27 rithm bets on tops of bets!?!?!
23:28 nubbins` just finished watching Contact
23:28 benkay mircea_popescu: link?
23:28 nubbins` not bad
23:28 mircea_popescu bets of bets of beets
23:28 benkay beetcoin
23:28 rithm beets stain my teeth
23:28 mircea_popescu benkay same ol, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5873896#msg5873896
23:28 benkay it's purple!
23:29 mircea_popescu but on the heels of the jimmothy O I BET YOU !!11 10 bitcents!11
23:29 mircea_popescu kinda lulzy
23:29 mircea_popescu o yeah, and he wanted odds.
23:30 chetty http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists
23:30 ozbot Poland Is Quietly Mobilizing Its Army Reservists | Zero Hedge
23:30 mircea_popescu roughly the equivalent of mpoe-pr going tyre kicking around berkshire with stuff like "o this is a good investment you bigmouth ?!?! what sort of odds do you give bitcoi nbeats you ? 100:1 ? "
23:32 MisterE_ good movie nubbins`
23:32 MisterE_ sugar beets are good for all kinds of stuff
23:33 the20year i thought they began mobilization last week
23:33 MisterE what will Romania do if fighting breaks out in the Ukraine with Crimea?
23:33 mircea_popescu probably nothing
23:33 MisterE I guess nobody will do nothing without EU / nato
23:33 mircea_popescu romania doesn't give a shit, as a general policy
23:34 Apocalyptic inb4 Russian army in timisoara
23:34 the20year invade moldova?
23:34 mircea_popescu nah
23:34 the20year poland has 500k+ in reserve, mobilizing 7k for practice doesn't seem too huge to me
23:34 mircea_popescu there's a us base in constanta, which i guess the us will have to defend
23:35 mircea_popescu and the russians probably don't want to get aywya
23:35 mircea_popescu and i very much doubt romania cxan be bothered ot invade either moldova or cernauti
23:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 966 @ 0.00299999 = 2.898 BTC [+] {2}
23:38 chetty this may be the war where everyone stayed home
23:39 mircea_popescu they should prolly make a russian and us eve team
23:39 mircea_popescu and have at it.
23:40 mircea_popescu ;;prevdiffchange
23:40 gribble 17.80244
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20138 @ 0.00094797 = 19.0902 BTC [+]
23:40 the20year what movie was that the basis of?
23:40 the20year 1 on 1 robot wars to settle boundary disputes?
23:42 mircea_popescu i think a bunch of different ones
23:42 mircea_popescu .d
23:42 ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1984 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.0849% in 9d 11h 40m 22s
23:42 benkay robo combat's a bit of a trope at this point, the20year
23:43 the20year Robot jox
23:44 MisterE Pacific Rim was forgettable
23:44 MisterE which is too bad
23:46 nubbins` heard it's a piece of shit
23:47 nubbins` trying to choose between wall street, glengarry glen ross, episode 1 of new cosmos, or bed
23:48 mike_c always glengarry glen ross
23:48 ThickAsThieves cosmos will put you to bed fo sho
23:49 the20year where is the new cosmos
23:49 Apocalyptic <nubbins`> heard it's a piece of shit << it's way worse actually
23:49 ThickAsThieves pacific rim was more entertaining than cosmos ep1
23:50 ThickAsThieves i watched gravity last night, that was actually pretty good
23:50 joecool i should cop that
23:50 ThickAsThieves it is what you think it is, but somehow it doesnt suck
23:51 MisterE glengarry glen ross++
23:51 ThickAsThieves if you have netflix, watch pontypool
23:51 ThickAsThieves that's a cool one
23:51 nubbins` saw it
23:51 nubbins` that's the audio virus whatsit?
23:51 ThickAsThieves yeah
23:51 * nubbins` nods
23:51 nubbins` cool idea
23:51 nubbins` reminded me of snowcrash
23:52 nubbins` but without the statutory rape
23:52 MisterE uhh this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1226681/
23:53 ThickAsThieves Safety Not Guaranteed wasnt bad
23:54 ThickAsThieves Teeth is fun
23:54 ThickAsThieves vagina dentata!
23:54 nubbins` MisterE yep
23:54 nubbins` canadiana
23:54 MisterE ok wow
23:55 MisterE horror / thriller is not usually a genre I consider
23:55 ThickAsThieves if you havent seen Primer already, thats good
23:55 ThickAsThieves Frozen (not the animated one)
23:56 ThickAsThieves oh, The Signal
23:56 ThickAsThieves The Corridor
23:56 ThickAsThieves (i'm viewing my netflix rated section)
23:57 ThickAsThieves i happen to like the Cube movies
23:57 ThickAsThieves Shiver
23:58 ThickAsThieves if you want scary japanese shit, 3 Extremes
23:58 cazalla the scene in Frozen with the wolves, zomg
23:58 cazalla oh wait, that is something else
23:59 MisterE http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2910814/ this The Signal or 2007?
23:59 ozbot The Signal (2014) - IMDb
23:59 ThickAsThieves cazalla thats the one
23:59 ThickAsThieves so good
23:59 cazalla oh, there is a 2012 movie with the same name
23:59 ThickAsThieves Pi
23:59 ThickAsThieves Skew
23:59 cazalla and yes, Safety Not Guaranteed was great imo
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