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00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 61 @ 0.00444999 = 0.2714 BTC [+] {2}
00:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00089012 = 19.2711 BTC [+] {3}
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00:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00285 = 0.1197 BTC [+]
01:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00089162 = 29.0668 BTC [+] {2}
01:10	BingoBoingo	I watched the State of the Union so You don't have to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/29/the-worst-state-of-the-union/
01:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0008922 = 19.1823 BTC [+] {2}
01:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16069 @ 0.0008945 = 14.3737 BTC [+] {2}
01:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.434 BTC [+]
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01:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41800003 BTC [-]
02:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.41233332 = 3.711 BTC [-] {6}
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02:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00089087 = 4.8998 BTC [-]
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02:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00082055 = 0.4103 BTC [-]
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03:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00089466 = 12.7936 BTC [+]
03:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.049 = 0.49 BTC [+]
03:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00089125 = 27.6288 BTC [-] {2}
03:43	KRS1	.bait
03:43	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/1415504e8984ededadefffe0151c5c27/tumblr_mmbbbmHd571qfaf1fo1_500.jpg
03:44	KRS1	Vaginacam.
03:44	KRS1	.bait
03:44	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lor140QP0n1qe6ke5o1_1280.jpg
03:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00088974 = 22.2435 BTC [-]
04:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00089105 = 11.45 BTC [+] {2}
04:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088974 = 15.1256 BTC [-]
04:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37336 @ 0.00088931 = 33.2033 BTC [-] {2}
04:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00089113 = 25.1299 BTC [+] {2}
04:27	lolstate	;;seen ThickAsThieves
04:27	gribble	ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> :)
04:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.049 = 0.49 BTC [+]
04:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0008866 = 15.5155 BTC [-] {2}
04:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 343 @ 0.00289899 = 0.9944 BTC [+] {2}
04:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.43 = 3.44 BTC [+]
04:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]
04:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22333 @ 0.00088566 = 19.7794 BTC [-] {2}
05:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088432 = 11.9825 BTC [-] {2}
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05:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]
06:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 64 @ 0.00445 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
06:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02999996 = 0.24 BTC [+]
06:10	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4809695#msg4809695
06:10	ozbot	Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
06:10	mircea_popescu	dude mpoe-pr brings out the best in people.
06:10	mircea_popescu	anyone ever knew the noobs can be that cool ?!
06:14	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prollu because this time she isn't shitting of their favored scams?
06:14	mircea_popescu	now that may be.
06:14	mircea_popescu	shittingb on them > shitting on their fav scam of the time.
06:14	mircea_popescu	at least themselves, they know that sucks.
06:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0008842 = 8.1789 BTC [-]
06:27	punkman	https://medium.com/p/24eb09e026dd
06:28	mircea_popescu	"Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it. Something is clearly seriously wrong with that guy!! It would be nice if someone were to hack him (and all companies industrializing/profiting off the bitcoin with expensive rigs) and donate the bitcoins to charity (bitcoin100 or etc)."
06:28	mircea_popescu	check out the revolutionary minded scum.
06:28	mircea_popescu	this is the reason i do not wish to live in a world without opression, and this is why bullshit like "social justice" is outright immoral.
06:29	mircea_popescu	some people should be oppressed, and currently are not oppressed nearly enough.
06:30	mircea_popescu	punkman obviously, twitter and dns are shady services open to hackers and drug dealing.
06:30	punkman	I like that it still takes a few phone calls to steal whatever
06:31	punkman	nice domain you got there, shame you are not using it
06:31	punkman	I'll just take it
06:31	BingoBoingo	punkman: Amazing how GPG could have prevented that disaster.
06:32	jurov	or at least 2FA. not the backdoored google kind
06:32	punkman	BingoBoingo: well not if they just change your key when you call them
06:32	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo amazing how if you don't offer people any way to change their account they'll be unhappy.
06:32	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
06:32	mircea_popescu	this is the reason why, however.
06:33	BingoBoingo	punkman: No one gets to change keys though unless they can sign the change with a still older key of theirs.
06:34	punkman	BingoBoingo: of course they do, "hey guys dog ate my key, can I change to this new one?" "ok"
06:35	BingoBoingo	punkman: And you revoke it by shear number of keys you exclusively control, or your identity is essentially dead. Not lost. Dead.
06:35	mircea_popescu	punkman people totally misunderstanding what customer service is.
06:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23665 @ 0.00088479 = 20.9386 BTC [+] {2}
06:36	punkman	mircea_popescu: what customer service?
06:36	punkman	they got too many users to give a fuck
06:37	mircea_popescu	well yes, customer service : hire a bunch of veggies to go "yes sir, sure sir, can do sir" to anyone walking in
06:37	mircea_popescu	regardless of anything
06:37	punkman	and they call it "live" support.
06:38	punkman	even if all they do is write an internal support ticket on your behalf
06:38	mircea_popescu	the test cheating mentality : they aren't trying to deliver, they just try to hack into your measures and make it seem like they do.
06:39	punkman	said message being "mr manager, dear customer says problem"
06:39	mircea_popescu	like, you imagine that talking to someone is more likely to resolve anything ? fine, they'll train dogs to talk to you.
06:39	mircea_popescu	hacking is a much larger part of corporate culture than corporations willingly admit, even to themselves.
06:40	mircea_popescu	the same people who indignantly protest to the judge that random guy "hacked into their computers" just spent the entire day trying to hack their customers.
06:40	nubbins`	"can we disable the user's back button?"
06:41	mircea_popescu	yexactly.
06:42	nubbins`	fun fact, i once refused to make a code change on moral grounds
06:42	mircea_popescu	the amusing part, of course, being that cheating ACTUALLY IS being clever, but only IN SOME CONDITIONS.
06:42	nubbins`	^
06:42	mircea_popescu	by completely abandoning a critical review of those conditions, and instead going with formalisms, like
06:42	mircea_popescu	"cheating X way good, cheating Y way bad"
06:42	mircea_popescu	the results are appaling.
06:43	mircea_popescu	this situation exactly mirrors the situation in speech, where people imagine "being nice" or "polite" consists of never using word X, such as nigger or fucktard, rather than, you know, actually being nice/polite/whatever
06:43	mircea_popescu	the results being again appaling.
06:44	nubbins`	being "professional"
06:44	mircea_popescu	myeah.
06:44	nubbins`	"where did this $9t go?" "we currently don't have that information until we finish our review" etc
06:44	mircea_popescu	"professional" is "guy in a suit". pure cargo cultism.
06:45	nubbins`	i was ruminating on this the other day
06:45	nubbins`	HOW CAN HE KNOW BUSINESS
06:45	nubbins`	HE WEARS NOT THE UNIFORM
06:45	nubbins`	strange creatures, humans
06:45	mircea_popescu	the obnoxious part is that i wear suits. always have. i was a highscooler with a three piece suit.
06:46	mircea_popescu	i happen to like them. but wtf is with all these weasels!
06:47	nubbins`	flapping your face = doing business
06:47	punkman	I like this: "being friendly: looking out for your interests. being polite: obeying social decorum."
06:47	mircea_popescu	lol where's that from ?
06:47	punkman	being polite is useless mostly
06:48	nubbins`	^ this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature
06:49	punkman	mircea_popescu: not sure I got it from here, but google says: http://sebastianmarshall.com/friendliness-and-politeness
06:50	nubbins`	being friendly: having a lel. being polite: inviting others to have a lel.
06:51	mircea_popescu	btw, if anyone wants to see me with a fro... http://trilema.com/2011/fototeca-de-haur/ i just dug it up
06:51	nubbins`	sebastian marshall had a lel writing that, and we had a lel reading it
06:51	nubbins`	we are friendly and he is polite!
06:52	punkman	that's a good fro
06:52	mircea_popescu	im not friendly! who is this guy
06:53	nubbins`	you're downright amicable. don't kid yourself
06:54	mircea_popescu	lol
06:54	nubbins`	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/eu-tinar-8.jpg
06:54	nubbins`	"where are his arms? why is a laptop hanging from his belt?"
06:54	nubbins`	<- no coffee yet
06:55	mircea_popescu	lol
06:55	mircea_popescu	laptop utility belt, now that's an idea.
06:55	mircea_popescu	and speaking of ideas, i can't believe nobody invented the spots solarium yet.
06:55	mircea_popescu	you could have the light concentrate in particular places, make the girls look like leopards naturally.
06:55	mircea_popescu	i bet you there's good money in that.
06:56	nubbins`	mottled skin looks diseased
06:56	mircea_popescu	not if the spots are large enough
06:56	mircea_popescu	if they're say 2x2 to 3x5 or so they look... you know, like a leopard
06:57	nubbins`	http://www.truehealthclinic.org/images/vitiligo_c_p_BEFORE.jpg
06:57	nubbins`	yep, majestic hunter
06:57	nubbins`	you'd need to keep tanning the same spots too, so you'd end up with your skin prematurely aged in certain areas
06:57	punkman	you could take a vinyl body suit and cut some holes, wouldn't be very comfortable to tan in
06:58	nubbins`	wrinkle spots by age 30
06:58	mircea_popescu	you just get one burn-in session
06:58	mircea_popescu	then come back next year for a new configuration
06:58	nubbins`	http://radiantskinclinic.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Skin_Lightening_Category.jpg
06:58	mircea_popescu	i guess this is why, gotta keep changing the machines
06:58	nubbins`	look at my beautiful leopard spots ;(
06:59	KRS1	;[
06:59	mircea_popescu	nubbins` pick a younger one.
06:59	nubbins`	time for brekkies
06:59	KRS1	.bait
06:59	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/c0436fd40234a5f84fd9db3b5ad611a7/tumblr_mexoihHqBQ1qzaab4o1_1280.jpg
06:59	KRS1	you are hawt nubbins
07:02	punkman	.bait
07:02	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma13iuiAeD1r6bw5mo1_1280.jpg
07:03	punkman	http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/first-ever-porsche-rediscovered-electric-power-1898-200915772.html
07:03	ozbot	First-Ever Porsche Rediscovered: Electric Power from 1898 - Yahoo Finance Canada
07:03	mircea_popescu	so it looks like argentina will be getting a currency reform
07:03	mircea_popescu	that's the fifth or so peso they ruined, those people.
07:04	Duffer1	andreas antonopolous talked about that a bit recently in an interview with joe rogan
07:05	Duffer1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cexawnOlR8&feature=youtu.be&a
07:05	ozbot	Joe Rogan Experience #446 - Andreas Antonopoulos - YouTube
07:06	Duffer1	it's a good interview if you need to brush up on some good sounding talking points
07:07	mircea_popescu	uh lol
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07:08	mircea_popescu	from cnn right after the O speech last night: I think I’ve said before that I think a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex. The worst there ever was is still excellent, and I thought he gave a very competent performance tonight”
07:08	mircea_popescu	dude, poor brejnev. he never had such fluffers.
07:13	BingoBoingo	The wonders or beauracracy: Fill out the form or devise your own identical form http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/01/little_sisters_contraception_mandate_case_it_s_about_more_than_just_a_form.html
07:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that entire dispute is pretty much a testament to how fundamentally unworkable the system has become
07:17	mircea_popescu	can you explain to me what it's about ?
07:18	mircea_popescu	i mean... i don't get it, i consider myself educated and so forth but i can't come to a conclusion
07:19	truffles	an intellectual but not a genius :D
07:19	mircea_popescu	are they saying "we don't have to sign something we don't want to sign because jesus" ? is it mopre like "we don't want to say anything definite about abortion in writing because we can't grok the consequences" ?
07:19	mircea_popescu	it half reads like "forms make baby jesus cry" tbh.
07:19	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Basically some group had a religious objection to a form (they were nuns) . They pretested the need to complete the form in court. The court said well, you don't need to do that form, but you can fill out this identical form we imagineered or produce your own identical form. (the form relating to some Obamacar Birth Control thing)
07:20	mircea_popescu	no i know the generalities.
07:20	mircea_popescu	but WHY did they protestg, what's being objected to exactly ?
07:21	BingoBoingo	Well, that they have to fill out a form to not cover birth control for their employees.
07:21	BingoBoingo	Basically there being a form at all seems to actually make Baby Jesus cry was their argument.
07:21	BingoBoingo	Not that they had to cover the birth control, but that there was a form.
07:21	mircea_popescu	and how's a court supposed to rule on that ?
07:22	mircea_popescu	they need the fucking rota.
07:22	kakobrekla	they checked for tears
07:22	mircea_popescu	lol
07:22	mircea_popescu	"sorry, no tears were found. case dismissed"
07:22	kakobrekla	yea
07:23	mircea_popescu	btw, i hear you should be hacked.
07:23	mircea_popescu	and the monyz distributed to charity
07:23	kakobrekla	hm?
07:23	mircea_popescu	on robinhoodtalk.org
07:23	Duffer1	sherif mcpopescu
07:23	kakobrekla	first time i hear it
07:23	Duffer1	of nottingham
07:23	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.0
07:23	ozbot	Ripped OFF by bitbet.us
07:24	Duffer1	scrooge mcpopescu - L. Ron Popescu - now Sherif Popescu
07:24	kakobrekla	aha, derps herping about derp
07:24	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla nono. derps HERPING about derp.
07:24	kakobrekla	:p
07:24	mircea_popescu	isn't it sheriff ?
07:25	mircea_popescu	who stole my other f
07:25	Duffer1	how dare you spellcheck me
07:25	mircea_popescu	you buncha commies. you redistributed it did you
07:25	Duffer1	ha
07:25	kakobrekla	lmao
07:25	assbot	Last 18 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1575146/plain/)
07:25	mircea_popescu	!b 18
07:26	truffles	sad display circle jerk
07:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.43 = 8.6 BTC [+]
07:27	BingoBoingo	I am sad to announce that I don't want to bet on this superbowl. When the most interesting player is the fucking underdog's cornerback... I'm out.
07:28	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know, i burned a lot of cycles on the subject of why the fuck sports bets are faring so poorly on bitbet.
07:28	truffles	betting on sports is like watching money leave pocket
07:28	kakobrekla	>Furthermore, notice that a winning bet of .011 returns less than the bet itself (despite its weight), if you even happen to get it.
07:28	mircea_popescu	the obvious explanation, and perhaps the likely one, is that bitbet just isn't particularly central in the betting space.
07:28	kakobrekla	LMAO
07:28	BingoBoingo	truffles: I'm net up on the past year
07:29	kakobrekla	"Hi, im a brick, i have opinions."
07:29	truffles	sample size 1 year
07:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly bitbet isn lagging on sports because it is too good at finance
07:29	mircea_popescu	however, it may also be that SPORTS BETTING isn't central. or in other words : the focus on advertising, scandal and bullshit, as wel las changing social mores and expectations have pretty much killed that model.
07:29	truffles	lemme know in 3 or more
07:29	mircea_popescu	nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues.
07:29	Duffer1	MP or there's not enough sports book being made to attract a betting crowd
07:30	mircea_popescu	so in that theory, they will exist in old venues (like days ago someone mentioned old style phone service that's still continued . to the death of the captive customer)
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00437075 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {5}
07:30	mircea_popescu	but in new venues it ain't happening.
07:30	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 nowhere ?
07:30	BingoBoingo	Well, of course it is inertia. It also pulls the sports bettors to more dangerous venues that offer lines on as many competitions as possible, as opposed to safe ole bitbet that only tries to offer profitable competitions
07:31	BingoBoingo	Basically Bitbet is too responsible to attract sports bettors.
07:31	mircea_popescu	so perhaps a correct model could be, "sports betting consists of people who lived in the 70s, had fun with bets in the 70s, continuing to do what they did then, where they did it then"
07:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.43099999 = 4.31 BTC [+]
07:31	mircea_popescu	if that's the case, a start-up hoping to get that market on a new model would be kinda doomed. the paying customer is too old to move and the young customer does not exist.
07:32	BingoBoingo	Prolly and nao where it interesects with bitcoin includes you kids who wish they were in the 70's so they could sync iPods on their PDP-11
07:32	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but there are plenty of insane bets on bitbet
07:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.43624848 = 8.725 BTC [+] {6}
07:32	ThickAsThieves	[07:25] <mircea_popescu> you buncha commies. you redistributed it did you <<< There is no escape from decentralization, chaos is nature after all!
07:32	mircea_popescu	perhaps not the right kind of insane.
07:32	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Right, but I imagine most sports bettors never had the money to make a dent in the 2B difficulty bet.
07:33	Duffer1	bets not being created doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest in betting with bitcoin, if there was a specific section dedicated to live odds sports book it just might attract more people
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.44649998 = 4.465 BTC [+] {3}
07:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00088522 = 13.8094 BTC [+] {2}
07:33	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 there's at least half a dozen diff sites that tried - and failed - to live on that model.
07:33	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: As far as football this year goes though, the NFL has had one on its most boring years in history.
07:33	Duffer1	i wouldn't know, just a thought ^.^
07:33	mircea_popescu	the problem is this : other than the intrinsic unfairness to the bettors of the line model, it also requires VERY highly skilled people working for the hgouse, and non stop.
07:34	mircea_popescu	you can't afford to pay for these without volume.
07:34	kakobrekla	bah fuck you, now i replied.
07:34	BingoBoingo	Last year Ray Lewis was in the Superbowl for stabbin bitches. This year Richard Sherman is in for yelling.
07:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.4596874 = 7.355 BTC [+] {6}
07:34	mircea_popescu	if you don't pay for them, then you'll get raped.
07:34	herbijudlestoids	you dont think HFT bots can handle the job mircea_popescu?
07:34	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids on whose software ?
07:34	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: They those bots have openings too.
07:35	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> nobody cares anymore about sports, and the bets continue sort-of by inertia, like investment in yahoo continues. <<< maybe it's like the forum sports betting is just a buncha scammers and noobs alt-betting
07:35	mircea_popescu	hft bots aren't a magic amulet, like "bitcoin makes me anon so i can buy drugz"
07:35	herbijudlestoids	i guess ot make a good bot would require similar investment to having good people
07:35	BingoBoingo	HTF bots get owned by Slow penetrating bots
07:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
07:35	mircea_popescu	it's a war race.
07:35	herbijudlestoids	good bot+infrastructure
07:35	herbijudlestoids	arms race?
07:35	herbijudlestoids	yea
07:35	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i have no idea what's going on, tbh.
07:35	ThickAsThieves	it's really way simpler an explanation
07:36	ThickAsThieves	you have no exposure to the sports betting audience
07:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.51416231 = 5.6558 BTC [+] {4}
07:36	herbijudlestoids	moral of the story: just like all other businesses, an appropriate level of investment is required to have a successful outcome
07:36	BingoBoingo	I mean the people who claim to bitcoin sportsbet seem to overlap with the BTC poker people
07:36	ThickAsThieves	they dont even own bitcoins
07:36	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this is factual. the question of interest however, is if such an audience even exists, and other such things.
07:37	truffles	betting site but doesnt know market hmmm
07:37	mircea_popescu	truffles nobody knows the market. some people admit to it.
07:37	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: if you offered them a betting model that has a lower house commission, etc they might be very interested
07:37	ThickAsThieves	it's like trying to sell truffles at a Patriots game
07:37	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what's the house comission on line betting normally ? 2-5% ?
07:37	ThickAsThieves	theyll be like eww mushrooms!
07:37	herbijudlestoids	yea about that
07:37	truffles	haha
07:37	mircea_popescu	bitbet does 1%
07:38	herbijudlestoids	but is there good game coverage and high liquidity?
07:38	mircea_popescu	the difference to your risk of ruin between 1 and 4% is HUGE
07:38	herbijudlestoids	yep
07:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00438319 = 0.2542 BTC [+] {4}
07:38	mircea_popescu	it has more liquidity than vegas and no coverage at all
07:38	mircea_popescu	in spite of coverage being self-serve.
07:38	herbijudlestoids	so then i would posit its simply a matter of marketing
07:38	mircea_popescu	bitbet actually PAYS 100 dollars for every bet made, yet people don't make sports bets.
07:38	herbijudlestoids	did anyone allocate $500,000 or $1,000,000 to marketing?
07:38	mircea_popescu	it would seem so, but i have suspicions that it's simply a question of there not being a market.
07:39	herbijudlestoids	hmm
07:39	ThickAsThieves	yeah
07:39	mircea_popescu	which is a question that has to be resolved bfore i throw money at marketing people.
07:39	chetty	The federal agency charged with helping consumers make better financial decisions is facing questions about how it has managed its own money.
07:39	mircea_popescu	i have no doubt they can spend it.
07:39	ThickAsThieves	dont go marketing truffles to football fans
07:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00088532 = 11.9518 BTC [+]
07:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00438354 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {3}
07:39	ThickAsThieves	it makes no sense
07:39	mircea_popescu	ahahaha chetty that's gold
07:39	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves obviously more research is needed here. for one thing, how do we even know they're truffles.
07:39	herbijudlestoids	the other option is ramp the entry costs and target high net worth betters
07:40	mircea_popescu	just cause we think we're pretty cool ?
07:40	herbijudlestoids	offer the 1% rate as a high net worth perk
07:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51677618 = 2.5839 BTC [+]
07:40	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i would love to target high net work bettors, strictly to hear why they think it sucks.
07:40	ThickAsThieves	well what is the most popular form of sports betting, its that intrade shares shit right?
07:40	mircea_popescu	i don't have a book. anyone has/knows someone with a large old style book ?
07:40	herbijudlestoids	many moons ago i used to work as an ops guy for a large cable tv company
07:40	BingoBoingo	You know for someone who uses shady forum advertised sports books quite a bit... I prolly ought to look harder at who runs them.
07:40	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves intrade is ded. not sure if popular tbh, but definitely dead.
07:41	herbijudlestoids	and one of the security guards happened to be extremely well off, but he worked as a guard to keep the tax offic eoff his back
07:41	mircea_popescu	ha.
07:41	herbijudlestoids	he owned a couple of horses and was relatively well known with the sydney horse racing community
07:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14088 @ 0.00088811 = 12.5117 BTC [+] {2}
07:41	herbijudlestoids	owners, hedge fungs etc
07:41	mircea_popescu	so get him on assets.
07:41	herbijudlestoids	s/fungs/funds
07:41	mircea_popescu	funguses
07:41	herbijudlestoids	one of my friends has my old job, ill ask him if the dude still works there
07:42	herbijudlestoids	he *always* used to hassle me about making him an algo to arb the different online markets
07:42	ThickAsThieves	just buy a biz that already has sports penetration
07:42	herbijudlestoids	^
07:42	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yes, but i can't do that while random fuckwits keep smoking pot and getting arrested.
07:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00438754 = 0.4388 BTC [+] {3}
07:42	ThickAsThieves	aww cmon
07:42	mircea_popescu	because i'd have to have a bank do it for me, and i'd have to impose they interface btc, which they don;'t wish to do etc.
07:42	ThickAsThieves	is that really you talking?
07:42	mircea_popescu	well, what ?
07:43	mircea_popescu	you want me to do an acquisition over irc ?
07:43	ThickAsThieves	lol
07:43	mircea_popescu	i'll need a bank, what.
07:43	truffles	fuckwits hmm
07:43	herbijudlestoids	fund some geeks in seattle to make the business
07:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00439999 = 0.2156 BTC [+] {2}
07:43	mircea_popescu	a start-up is not what we're discussing here.
07:43	BingoBoingo	I hear Seattle sports teams are cheap
07:43	mircea_popescu	i should leverage-buyout the horseshoe.
07:43	ThickAsThieves	ok new plan
07:43	mircea_popescu	then i'd have their book, go through the past 20 years, talk to everyone.
07:43	ThickAsThieves	hire the manager
07:44	mircea_popescu	the manager is probably under a contract.
07:44	ThickAsThieves	that runs the successful sports biz
07:44	BingoBoingo	The Mariners might be 10K BTC this year and 1 K BTC next year
07:44	ThickAsThieves	lawyers
07:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00445469 = 0.8776 BTC [+] {7}
07:44	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves and anyway, who ?
07:44	mircea_popescu	kinda why i'm talking about it. who knows someone ?
07:44	ThickAsThieves	you know the imaginary hotshot pro i made up in my head
07:44	mircea_popescu	a ok.
07:45	mircea_popescu	we making a movie here or what.
07:45	herbijudlestoids	hmm lemme ask someone something
07:45	mircea_popescu	ask everyone everything.
07:45	ThickAsThieves	#1 google return I get is http://www.bovada.lv/
07:45	ThickAsThieves	fwiw
07:45	truffles	oh look who doest know everything
07:46	herbijudlestoids	damn nvm
07:46	BingoBoingo	truffles: The things are these are things no one knows
07:46	herbijudlestoids	i thought i knew someone in online sports advertising but it was music and the business has been sold to VICE anyway
07:46	ThickAsThieves	sports bettings seems like such a chore, gawd
07:46	mircea_popescu	it is a fucking chore.
07:46	mircea_popescu	buncha old farts who think themselves cutting edge because they sorta-can read the email their granddaughter sends
07:46	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Betting is a chore. I could not imagin the pain of running a venture.
07:47	mircea_popescu	except they miss about half the pics, like say the drunken shots of her getting shagged in front of the courthouse.
07:47	ThickAsThieves	nah sports is a whole other level of pain
07:47	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: what about if instead of a bank
07:47	herbijudlestoids	you contacted one of the hedge funds that deals in bitcoins
07:47	herbijudlestoids	and asked them to do the accq?
07:47	mircea_popescu	the ones that failed to get listed on mpex and imagine they're into bitcoin ?
07:47	mircea_popescu	yeah, this sounds promising. and i'll have to do what, explain to them what they're doing wrong ?
07:48	herbijudlestoids	yeah, what do you care, you just need a funnel right?
07:48	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: In BTC businesses with funnels die.
07:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468746 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {5}
07:48	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Namecheap/status/428158030015107072 << people always know better.
07:48	ozbot	Twitter / Namecheap: @Mircea_Popescu LOL, they're ...
07:48	herbijudlestoids	i saw on linkedin there was at least one HF looking to hire BTC trader, so someone must be looking to build their book
07:48	herbijudlestoids	just a suggestion
07:48	ThickAsThieves	maybe you are barking up the wrongs tree
07:49	mircea_popescu	maybe so.
07:49	ThickAsThieves	why try to be something youre not
07:49	ThickAsThieves	exploit something you can destroy at instead
07:50	mircea_popescu	because i don't wish to destroy, i wish to exist. bitcoin is essential to this, and so here i am doing things i don't particularly wish to do on their own,
07:50	mircea_popescu	so that this thing may ruin the faces and lives of people i don't like.
07:50	herbijudlestoids	truly a nobler cause could not be undertaken
07:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00479789 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2}
07:50	ThickAsThieves	maybe bitbet can get into some kind of futures offerings
07:50	mircea_popescu	i guess. anyway.
07:50	mircea_popescu	somewhere there's an old greaseball who knows all the angles of line betting.
07:51	Duffer1	TaT like MPEx? hehe
07:51	mircea_popescu	there, de niro's character in casino. that guy.
07:51	mircea_popescu	i want that guy!
07:51	Duffer1	you'll need a joe peschi though too
07:51	ThickAsThieves	but mpex is not bitbet
07:51	mircea_popescu	no, that's the beauty of it. i won't need a joe pesci.
07:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.51728865 = 10.3458 BTC [+] {4}
07:51	mircea_popescu	the entire rest of bloodsuckers is going away. i just need the one guy.
07:52	mircea_popescu	that's exactly the engine of this entire thing.
07:52	mircea_popescu	firing all those people.
07:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.526675 = 2.1067 BTC [+] {2}
07:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 387 @ 0.00484029 = 1.8732 BTC [+] {13}
07:53	ThickAsThieves	lol, the forum whined so hard they got Friedcat to finally comment
07:53	ThickAsThieves	poor form
07:53	herbijudlestoids	link
07:53	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4816778#msg4816778
07:53	ozbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
07:54	ThickAsThieves	i've begun to hate that title
07:54	mircea_popescu	in fairness the fallout is a lot less than i imagined this summer.
07:54	ThickAsThieves	"inventing" starting to feel kike "making it up"
07:54	ThickAsThieves	like*
07:54	BingoBoingo	As far as cover every even sports betting people go https://bitbook.biz/ has been reliable, but I have no idea if they are running fractional reserve off of some dude who deposited a few hundred BTC last spring and then went into a coma. I just don't trust line sites much after http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/05/a-descent-into-scam-bitcoinsports-eu/
07:54	mircea_popescu	am shares shed a degree of magnitude, nobody's particularly fazed.
07:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00499945 = 1.6498 BTC [+] {10}
07:54	mircea_popescu	maybe people are better at pricing the future than given credit for.
07:55	ThickAsThieves	"mass delivery date is still March"
07:55	BingoBoingo	Oh, Halep plays in 2 hours
07:55	ThickAsThieves	March is a date?
07:55	mircea_popescu	anyway, anyone here with a salesman's slick and within distance of vegas ?
07:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00499995 = 0.63 BTC [+] {3}
07:55	ThickAsThieves	salesman in vegas? that's another breed
07:56	mircea_popescu	1-200 miles, whatever one drives comfortably.
07:56	herbijudlestoids	what are you after? someone who can lay bets off into the casinos?
07:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7213 @ 0.00089423 = 6.4501 BTC [+] {2}
07:56	herbijudlestoids	or bookies or whatever
07:57	mircea_popescu	no, someone who can go to each bookie, take their main line man out to lunch, hussle him to talk to me.
07:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.00089478 = 5.0439 BTC [+]
07:57	mircea_popescu	people are more a resource than cash, yet people steal cash way more often than people.
07:58	mircea_popescu	start stealing people.
07:58	truffles	make them an offer they cant refuse?
07:58	ThickAsThieves	sounds kinda fun, if I were 24 and single
07:58	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves indeed. bitcoin is first and foremost fun.
07:58	mircea_popescu	truffles no, make them an effort they certainly can't refuse, but won't.
07:58	mircea_popescu	certainly can*
07:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00499999 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2}
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Specification
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Process node: 40nm
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
07:58	ThickAsThieves	I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
07:58	ThickAsThieves	Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
07:59	ThickAsThieves	Price range
07:59	ThickAsThieves	0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
07:59	truffles	if they knew who u were would they want to work for u :D
07:59	mircea_popescu	4watt chips ?
07:59	truffles	i certainly wouldnt
07:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1495 @ 0.00082053 = 1.2267 BTC [-] {2}
07:59	mircea_popescu	lol. do you even work ?
07:59	truffles	irrelevant
07:59	BingoBoingo	I'm about 10x the recommended distance.
08:00	jcpham	does it mine the litecoins though
08:00	mircea_popescu	hahaha. seriously, do you have any employment truffles ?
08:00	ThickAsThieves	truffles is on disability
08:00	truffles	:(
08:00	mircea_popescu	so he wouldn't work for me because whatever, nor for anyone else for entirely different reasons.
08:00	ThickAsThieves	(guessing)
08:00	BingoBoingo	I lack the salesman slick though
08:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10870 @ 0.00088529 = 9.6231 BTC [-]
08:00	mircea_popescu	that settls that i guess.
08:01	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so practice.
08:01	mircea_popescu	get a friend, make pitches each day, send me one a week, i'll tell you when you're good for vegas.
08:01	ThickAsThieves	if youre american, youve been in training for sales your whole life
08:01	BingoBoingo	I guess I'll start practicing this weekend.
08:01	mircea_popescu	even if you never get good enough for vegas, it'll help your love life.
08:02	mircea_popescu	also ThickAsThieves has a point.
08:02	kakobrekla	BingoBoingo, that comment from happy wheels is a spam, you do know that rite?
08:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00499999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
08:03	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Was it? I just thought they had bad taste in links
08:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.56376336 = 16.9129 BTC [+] {7}
08:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [+]
08:04	ThickAsThieves	the gem crowd is engorged right now
08:04	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I guess I'll practice this salesmanship thing. Shame I couldn't be practicing it at this new work circus. I mean seriously public speaking and reading shit verbatim?
08:04	ThickAsThieves	they love them some friedcat posts
08:04	kakobrekla	;;google "You really make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something which I think I would never understand."
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08:04	kakobrekla	meh, well, you get the point.
08:05	kakobrekla	here http://www.google.com/search?&q="You+really+make+it+seem+so+easy+with+your+presentation+but+I+find+this+matter+to+be+actually+something+which+I+think+I+would+never+understand."
08:05	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/29/5356498/eve-online-battle-sees-200000-dollars-worth-of-spaceships-destroyed
08:05	ozbot	Spaceships worth more than $200,000 destroyed in biggest virtual space battle ever | The Verge
08:05	ThickAsThieves	did you supply the guns mp?
08:06	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: If I still was active on Eve the best I could have supplied for that would have been a gnat like thing full of viscious, still more gnat like things.
08:06	herbijudlestoids	im a professional spruiker but i already got a job i like and also much further away from vegas :P
08:07	kakobrekla	is this how eulora is going to go down? "a village ripped in Eulora, 2000 BTC btc carriages destroyed and horses burned"
08:07	Duffer1	that would be amazing
08:07	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
08:07	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: i read about that on slashdot, some interesting comments, some people put the value at half or less, a lot of people mentioned how reading about EVE battles is better than the battles :P
08:08	herbijudlestoids	i gotta admit the description of the battle was quite interesting for someone who has never played the game
08:08	Duffer1	i "watched" a live stream of the battle on twitch.tv
08:09	BingoBoingo	I'm starting to get kind of interesting in this idea of poaching talent from places that aren't East St Louis.
08:09	herbijudlestoids	actually thats an idea i had while reading aboutthe battle, game servers people can rent in BTC
08:09	Duffer1	it looked like a space themed desktop background rather than a game
08:10	herbijudlestoids	lol
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60490001 = 2.4196 BTC [+] {3}
08:13	herbijudlestoids	does anyone know who runs freebitco.in?
08:13	herbijudlestoids	seems unlike other bitcoin faucets in that it really just is a faucet
08:13	herbijudlestoids	all the others you need to click an ad or watch a video or whatever
08:13	herbijudlestoids	also i like the simple website
08:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 624 @ 0.00502002 = 3.1325 BTC [+] {6}
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.6315351 = 25.8929 BTC [+] {12}
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 900 @ 0.00046001 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3}
08:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00519874 = 0.4159 BTC [+] {4}
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 217 @ 0.00545822 = 1.1844 BTC [+] {12}
08:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00568028 = 0.1874 BTC [+] {8}
08:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.04484043 = 2.7801 BTC [-] {11}
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00589 = 0.913 BTC [+] {2}
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6498 = 2.5992 BTC [+] {2}
08:18	herbijudlestoids	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29
08:18	ozbot	fortune (Unix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08:18	herbijudlestoids	interesting errata
08:18	jimmyjazz	yo
08:18	kakobrekla	hi
08:18	jimmyjazz	was up
08:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63980002 BTC [-]
08:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088948 = 10.0956 BTC [+]
08:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899998 = 0.196 BTC [+]
08:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63980002 = 4.4786 BTC [-]
08:22	kakobrekla	>As you saw I sent an email to all FIMB holders regarding repayment. I plan on repaying 50% now and the rest as my personal mining income comes in.
08:22	kakobrekla	haha
08:25	mircea_popescu	what's fimb even
08:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6575 = 3.945 BTC [+] {2}
08:25	kakobrekla	garrets second or third scam
08:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i mostly supply the fuel the stations run on
08:26	mircea_popescu	for one of the species (the one everyone plays)
08:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.66710002 = 6.671 BTC [+] {2}
08:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.00588852 = 1.3544 BTC [-] {3}
08:26	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids it's insanely boring, really.
08:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04899999 = 0.735 BTC [+]
08:27	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: what is, sorry?
08:28	mircea_popescu	eve
08:28	herbijudlestoids	ah right
08:28	mircea_popescu	i mean if you're into trading then ok, you got a penny stock market.
08:28	herbijudlestoids	im too busy thinking of ideas and then not implementing them because theyre not perfect
08:28	mircea_popescu	otherwise it's more like... yea, what Duffer1
08:28	mircea_popescu	said
08:28	herbijudlestoids	nah, i trade on the regular markets :)
08:29	herbijudlestoids	i have a whole farm of algos, waiting for vols to die down on bitcoin before i try them out there
08:29	herbijudlestoids	penny stocks not my bag
08:30	herbijudlestoids	send me the EOD data for MPOE and i will backtest it against one of the simpler ones
08:31	herbijudlestoids	you sould send a couple of BTC to the guy who writes quantmod for R to add feed support for MPEX :D
08:31	kakobrekla	lol, the ideas.
08:32	mircea_popescu	there's pympex, why should i support the proprietary pastures of the obsolete world ?
08:32	mircea_popescu	let them move over.
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67389999 = 6.739 BTC [+] {3}
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 492 @ 0.00588943 = 2.8976 BTC [+] {3}
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.049 = 2.891 BTC [+]
08:33	herbijudlestoids	hmm ok so this is for trading? im talking about data feed for quantitative analysis...timeseries of the price of the contracts/assets
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.67475 = 5.398 BTC [+] {2}
08:34	herbijudlestoids	quantmod has a function getSymbols() so i can pull say, 2000 bars of EOD data for an ETF and run various analysis against it
08:34	herbijudlestoids	supports yahoo finance, mysql backend, etc...im just suggesting fund the dev to add support so that it can pull the price feed off mpex with getSymbols too
08:34	mircea_popescu	afaik there's some people offering the full history, including kako
08:35	mircea_popescu	otherwise you can just query mpex and form your own history.
08:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00289899 = 0.2899 BTC [+] {2}
08:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088529 = 15.0499 BTC [-]
08:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00596764 = 0.4237 BTC [+] {5}
08:36	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: can haz data pls?
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00613504 = 0.6135 BTC [+] {7}
08:36	kakobrekla	http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/
08:36	ozbot	MPEX Socket | #bitcoin-assets
08:37	herbijudlestoids	anyone doing analysis on this timeseries already?
08:37	mircea_popescu	what was mike's blog
08:37	herbijudlestoids	so but i need a MPex login for this?
08:38	mircea_popescu	http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/
08:38	ozbot	When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha
08:39	nubbins`	"Of further note, if vegas paid out the way this Matic "Tic, hence bloodsucker" guy pays out, they'd be entirely shutdown in less than 24 hours."
08:39	nubbins`	Matic Pitiscu
08:39	kakobrekla	tic, sounds like tits but means dick.
08:39	mircea_popescu	course matic is not read like mah tick but like mytits
08:40	kakobrekla	yea
08:40	kakobrekla	mahtitis
08:40	mircea_popescu	cause he's such a boob :D
08:40	kakobrekla	eh mahtits
08:40	herbijudlestoids	i guess no response means im a retard
08:40	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you don't need a mpex acct to read the feed im sure.
08:41	mircea_popescu	and a few people are doing more or less something with the data, but there's always room for more
08:41	mircea_popescu	an' merrier.
08:42	mircea_popescu	global warming hits florida : schools closed down because of the carbon footprint everywhere.
08:42	mircea_popescu	personally, i blame dub.
08:42	herbijudlestoids	ah it says contact kakobrekla for username
08:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00008142 = 0.2036 BTC [-] {13}
08:42	herbijudlestoids	can haz?
08:42	kakobrekla	yes, this reading thing, very powerful stuff
08:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 232 @ 0.00615889 = 1.4289 BTC [+] {2}
08:43	kakobrekla	its 1 btc per year iirc
08:44	nubbins`	why, that's only pennies per hour!
08:44	kakobrekla	indeed
08:44	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1*infinity / 365*24*3600
08:44	gribble	Error: 'infinity' is not a defined function.
08:44	mircea_popescu	shit.
08:44	kakobrekla	lol
08:45	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1*(all the monyz in the world) / 365*24*3600
08:45	gribble	Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
08:45	mircea_popescu	gribble is not so smart.
08:46	herbijudlestoids	i dont want a subscription to the feed, i can append to it manually as necessary but i just wanted a one off dump of the existing EOD data
08:46	kakobrekla	i want icecream and b lowjob
08:46	herbijudlestoids	if its too hard, nw, just a thought that popped in my head then my plan was always to use the algos on BTCUSD in the future :)
08:46	truffles	some ppl want free help but they dont want to give free help
08:47	herbijudlestoids	for now they are hard at work on regular markets
08:47	mircea_popescu	no rush, rly.
08:48	herbijudlestoids	truffles: i happen to think free data is useful and democratising, allowing people like me to do today what was only in the purview of hedge funds and instos just 10y ago
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.66675 = 2.667 BTC [-] {2}
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1600 @ 0.00615889 = 9.8542 BTC [+]
08:48	AleksG	Hello, Mr. Mircea Popescu. I wrote to you about cryptography. I wrote to you about cryptography. Here you can download a video presentation of the world's absolute cryptographic protection http://rmxcrypt.com/
08:48	mircea_popescu	finance and democracy don't mix.
08:48	herbijudlestoids	but whatevs, i go where the data and liquidity is, plenty of it around
08:48	mircea_popescu	hello AleksG. got a transcript ?
08:49	truffles	greed and democracy wont mix
08:50	mircea_popescu	"greed" is a meaningless symbol only defined in your own system. it's about as important as flogiston, generally.
08:50	truffles	lol
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+]
08:51	AleksG	Other information I can send you by email
08:52	mircea_popescu	as presented your statement readily reduces to "that which people do which isn't reducible to our own idiocy and our own idiocy don't mix", which further reduces to nonA is disjunct from A. which it is. whoop.
08:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285 = 0.285 BTC [-]
08:52	truffles	guess u want pat on the back for missing the point
08:53	mircea_popescu	no, i mostly use you as a cockpuppet to illustrate the concepts involved for the general readership.
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
08:53	truffles	sure take 1 or 2 examples to make a point that is unsupported then call it fact right
08:54	mircea_popescu	i took an example ?! which /
08:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
08:55	herbijudlestoids	shit guys
08:55	herbijudlestoids	dont worry about it
08:55	truffles	this is an ongoing argument
08:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.655 BTC [+]
08:55	herbijudlestoids	asking for free data, bad idea, continue with the discussion about vegas or eve or whatever
08:56	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i think we long forgot about that lol
08:56	truffles	this is about arguing with a wall
08:56	mircea_popescu	but srsly, the data is free, query mpex, get the jsons, store them, in a week or w/e you have your sample.
08:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00088758 = 22.1007 BTC [+]
08:56	mircea_popescu	if you can't wait a week or w/e it takes pay someone who already did it, if you don't like paying wait, whatevs.
08:57	herbijudlestoids	ok, i will add it to my TODO, 1am here, almost bed
08:57	herbijudlestoids	nah i can wait setup a VM in the dc to wait for me
08:57	mircea_popescu	exactly.
08:59	kakobrekla	you can also grep logs or chan
08:59	herbijudlestoids	this is trueee
08:59	kakobrekla	the data on the socket is from late 2012, thats the point.
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09:00	truffles	herbijudlestoids do ulive in america?
09:00	herbijudlestoids	no aus
09:00	truffles	ok
09:00	truffles	u said that yesterday !
09:00	truffles	or days ago ..
09:01	herbijudlestoids	it was true yesterday?
09:01	truffles	nah my unscientific poll that i will randomly keep
09:02	herbijudlestoids	vexual is from aus, he lives near a friend of mine and asked me if that friend accepted bitcoin for his jewellery so i convinced him to get a bitpay acct and he did
09:02	herbijudlestoids	if anyone sees vexual tell him so pls :P
09:02	mircea_popescu	vexual buying joolry now ?
09:02	herbijudlestoids	http://www.larridinya.com/
09:02	ozbot	Larridinya Carvings Jade and Bone
09:02	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, try ;;later tell vexual hey bru i have something to tell you
09:02	truffles	u can do the command
09:02	truffles	slow pony
09:02	mircea_popescu	is she hawt ?
09:02	herbijudlestoids	its a he
09:03	mircea_popescu	is he hawt ?
09:03	herbijudlestoids	;;later vexual yo my mates store is accepting BTC now
09:03	gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "vexual" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
09:03	herbijudlestoids	;;later tell vexual yo my mates store is accepting BTC now
09:03	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:03	truffles	forget the tell
09:03	herbijudlestoids	i am a spammy cunt, sorry
09:03	mircea_popescu	actually these aren't awful. http://www.larridinya.com/wp-content/uploads/lilly-flower-carving2-e1374372458397-700x525.jpg
09:03	herbijudlestoids	yes, i know
09:03	herbijudlestoids	he is hawt i guess, very smart guy, chemist and biologist who lives in the paradiseyiest bit of aus
09:04	truffles	sounds hot
09:04	herbijudlestoids	equatorial
09:04	nubbins`	i liked australia more when i knew less about it
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09:04	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: irukandji
09:04	mircea_popescu	the best thing about postmodernism is just how nicely varied people are these days.
09:04	truffles	jewelry i might actually wear :D
09:05	BingoBoingo	The best thing Australia probably produced was this dud http://www.27bslash6.com
09:05	herbijudlestoids	i told him to get a bitpay account and bitcoin cunts would support him just for accepting bitcoin
09:05	BingoBoingo	*dude
09:05	herbijudlestoids	dont let me down, bitcoin cunts
09:05	mircea_popescu	he's not australian, he's a brit neh ?
09:05	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pretty sure he talks about being an Aussie
09:05	mircea_popescu	hm
09:06	herbijudlestoids	hes aus
09:06	truffles	the one on bottom right reminds me of body part hmm
09:06	herbijudlestoids	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Thorne_%28writer%29
09:06	ozbot	David Thorne (writer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
09:06	BingoBoingo	http://www.27bslash6.com/halogen.html
09:06	ozbot	"I cant help it if some of the light goes across the road. Put something up in your window."
09:06	truffles	i dont like the shapes though...
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00615888 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
09:07	ThickAsThieves	i like some of them, but he's only actually selling two
09:07	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: the other night you and vexual convinced me to get a WoT account which i dutifully did. i think you were a little drunk. why did i do that?
09:07	AleksG	Mircea Popescu, I gotta go, I'm waiting for a letter from you on agclear.energy@gmail.com
09:07	AleksG	Keep in mind that this system will make electronic currency Bitcoin absolutely secure
09:07	ThickAsThieves	keep that in mind mircea
09:07	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I was indeed very drunk. A little drunk is what I am nao that I am contemplating bedtime.
09:07	herbijudlestoids	secure BTC!
09:08	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: As to why you got the WoT account. Read moar?
09:08	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i stayed on for ages trying to rate you 10, but it kept telling me i needed rating first :(
09:08	truffles	ofc mp likes the lilly flower
09:08	herbijudlestoids	i was just on there, hoping waiting that you would rate me
09:08	mircea_popescu	so weird.
09:08	truffles	that looks like a body part
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63000001 = 4.41 BTC [-]
09:08	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Why was I rating you?
09:09	Duffer1	why do i get the feeling that guy took a fat shit in your inbox ..
09:09	herbijudlestoids	no, you werent!
09:09	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust herbijudlestoids
09:09	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: never
09:09	mircea_popescu	they did that so in case i go this it may one day not show zeroes
09:09	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: he mentioned to me that he is putting a bunch up soon
09:09	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I mean what would my reason for rating you have been. DId you sharpie in the pooper or something?
09:09	herbijudlestoids	HAHA
09:09	herbijudlestoids	no i told you, they dont have sharpies here
09:10	BingoBoingo	Some other brand of laundry marker?
09:10	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 nah, something off twitter.
09:10	herbijudlestoids	you said sharpie
09:10	mircea_popescu	bluntie
09:10	Duffer1	ah
09:10	mircea_popescu	http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html this shit should be mandatory reading for forum ceoppets.
09:10	ozbot	"Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do th
09:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.634 = 1.902 BTC [+]
09:12	herbijudlestoids	mueslicoin
09:12	herbijudlestoids	hmm, nope
09:13	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: where u at? if youre considering bed either must be close by to me or strange sleep patterns
09:14	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The later.
09:14	truffles	ayahuasca vine looks nice
09:14	truffles	http://www.larridinya.com/#ayahuasca-vine
09:14	ozbot	Larridinya Carvings Jade and Bone
09:14	mircea_popescu	he only sleeps when he runs out of hootch
09:14	BingoBoingo	!b1
09:14	herbijudlestoids	ethanolcoin
09:14	herbijudlestoids	hmmm...nope
09:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
09:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02800039 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}
09:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 85 @ 0.02800005 = 2.38 BTC [-] {6}
09:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615888 = 0.6467 BTC [+] {3}
09:16	jurov	in re: user support, one has to talk to aws user support to reveal their VAT reg. number
09:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3806 @ 0.00089143 = 3.3928 BTC [+]
09:17	jurov	instead of them writing it on invoices (as obliged by law, by the way)
09:17	herbijudlestoids	a serious alcoholic should own a still ;)
09:17	ThickAsThieves	"it just needs to be more branded. If you add more brand without changing the design"
09:17	ThickAsThieves	it hurts, mommy
09:17	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids he does.
09:18	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it gets way better. "They're not hidden, they're on a shelf. Obviously you're going to say my design isn't very good so you can justify charging to redesign it. Everyone who has seen the current brochure has said it is amazing. Ive got a degree in fine arts and I've done an advanced course in Adobe. I probably know more indesign than you do. Art is subjective. I branded it to appeal to our customers, the
09:18	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
09:18	mircea_popescu	y don't want modern looking things."
09:18	mircea_popescu	truly.
09:19	ThickAsThieves	this is why i quit the biz
09:19	ThickAsThieves	it's like that, well, every day
09:19	herbijudlestoids	and also because the economic profit of designing websites went down significantly?
09:19	mircea_popescu	everyone copes in his own way. apparently there's a huge premium the internet puts on coping by insulting and publicly humiliating the stupid
09:19	ThickAsThieves	you can make plenty designing websites
09:19	ThickAsThieves	if you are a masochist
09:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00615889 = 1.0039 BTC [+]
09:20	ThickAsThieves	but i did more overall branding work
09:20	herbijudlestoids	needs moar brand yo
09:20	ThickAsThieves	the need to educate your customers is such a burden
09:21	mircea_popescu	for some odd reason in romania "brand" denotes the thick of one's arm
09:21	herbijudlestoids	thats essentially the technology premium toh
09:21	ThickAsThieves	particularly in that you are teaching them something they REALLY dont want to believe
09:21	herbijudlestoids	s/toh/tho
09:21	mircea_popescu	so that whole discussion is extra funny to me
09:21	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: No need to own a still. Time spent operating a hypothical or alleged still could be better spent on other ventures.
09:21	herbijudlestoids	i work in large scale IaaS and its the same, you gotta educate everyone
09:21	ThickAsThieves	it gets extra fucked up too,
09:22	ThickAsThieves	in that they are soo persistent
09:22	ThickAsThieves	you start to wonder if they are right
09:22	ThickAsThieves	and whether the whole thing is a joke
09:22	ThickAsThieves	(it kinda is)
09:22	herbijudlestoids	justuwait, the next gen kiddies will know all our secrets by the time theyre 12 and work for minimum wage to do the same thing
09:22	mircea_popescu	this is starting to sound a little too much like popular bitcoin finance.
09:23	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what rattles me is this : how can you sit there and propose democracy as anything but a horror, with this experience ?
09:23	ThickAsThieves	i also began to feel guilty manipulating customers to not shoot themselves
09:23	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i think there is a lot to be said for systems with high friction
09:23	BingoBoingo	Didn't even have to read Plato
09:23	mircea_popescu	why would you want more democracy at all, or any democracy whatsoever in anything you care about at all ?
09:23	ThickAsThieves	you dont
09:23	mircea_popescu	well i don't.
09:24	ThickAsThieves	thats the big joke in entering the graphic design field
09:24	ThickAsThieves	kids get into it to express their talent
09:24	mircea_popescu	god forbid they start making democracy steak.
09:24	herbijudlestoids	complex systems "complicate away" friction and make the system less robust
09:24	herbijudlestoids	depart from equilibrium
09:24	ThickAsThieves	but that job is all about doing what everyone else ssays
09:24	herbijudlestoids	simple systems are robust and do not depart from equilibrium
09:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this is a good point actualy.
09:24	herbijudlestoids	easiest way to ensure robustness is friction
09:24	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so make them simple rather than open.
09:25	ThickAsThieves	then,
09:25	ThickAsThieves	even if you make it, to be, say, a Creative Director
09:25	ThickAsThieves	you learn that all your designers hate you
09:25	ThickAsThieves	for trying to finaly get your way
09:25	lippoper	.bait to save the day
09:25	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2l566VzXH1r21xm5o1_500.jpg
09:25	mircea_popescu	this is why you make your designers work nude and spank them occasionally.
09:25	mircea_popescu	then they still hate you but a) you're having fun and b) they also love you.
09:26	ThickAsThieves	well
09:26	ThickAsThieves	even when you do get one
09:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
09:26	ThickAsThieves	properly obedient
09:26	mircea_popescu	that was the lousiest bait ever.
09:26	mircea_popescu	ozbot you're fired.
09:26	ThickAsThieves	they leave after a year or two
09:26	mircea_popescu	why would they leave ?!
09:26	ThickAsThieves	grass is greener
09:27	ThickAsThieves	careers
09:27	ThickAsThieves	etc
09:27	mircea_popescu	how could grass be greener ?
09:27	herbijudlestoids	because as it turns out, not *all* jobs are about doing what everyone else says and if youve got talent you can command those jobs
09:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
09:27	mircea_popescu	if you don't have the greenest grass wtf are you doing
09:27	ThickAsThieves	i had one girl that left to go work with all girls
09:27	lippoper	agreed.
09:27	ThickAsThieves	i offered to pat more
09:27	ThickAsThieves	pay*
09:27	lippoper	ozbot give us better
09:27	lippoper	.bait
09:27	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m089dn2sjd1qelzeao1_500.jpg
09:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you should have hired the whole stable.
09:28	ThickAsThieves	she said "my boyfriend told me not to accepts"
09:28	ThickAsThieves	accept*
09:28	lippoper	ok you're truly fired
09:28	mircea_popescu	hahahaha
09:28	lippoper	that's not even sexy
09:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00615821 = 0.6466 BTC [-] {2}
09:28	lippoper	.bait me
09:28	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/8ff0f1e4337870000147b8513470b626/tumblr_mvabis3yck1racc9so1_400.jpg
09:28	mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/0311a40c4d0829aa39b18a441eba33c5/tumblr_mj4kfn3AuB1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
09:28	mircea_popescu	that's a good safety measure anywya.
09:29	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you should have paid her to dump her bf.
09:29	davout	let's test it
09:29	davout	.bait
09:29	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/495804dd3b9f8cc816518e0564b0aa6b/tumblr_mu3jh5GjSD1r600xqo1_500.png
09:29	ThickAsThieves	well remember, she probably harbored hate for me by then
09:29	davout	yay, assets became SFW again
09:29	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: maybe democracy isnt what i mean. i want more information to be freely available so those who are interested in it can use it to make informed decisions. to "level the playing field"
09:29	ThickAsThieves	all my programmers seemed to have insecurity issues
09:30	ThickAsThieves	or drinking problems
09:30	herbijudlestoids	for example, i have capital
09:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6345 = 2.538 BTC [+]
09:30	ThickAsThieves	good help is hard to find i guess
09:30	herbijudlestoids	but if i cant efficiently allocate it then i wont allocate it to anything but cash and gold since im risk averse
09:30	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids there's a subtle point involved here : back when information cost money you had a bunch of ignoramuses clearly labeled as such and lots of educated people.
09:30	mircea_popescu	in the wake of wikipedia you have strictly ignoramuses with delusions of education
09:30	herbijudlestoids	really?
09:30	mircea_popescu	and a few old people left over. once they die that's it.
09:30	asciilifeform	anybody catch this:
09:30	asciilifeform	http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/27/predator-drone-sends-north-dakota-man-to-jail/
09:30	ozbot	Predator Drone Sends North Dakota Man to Jail - Forbes
09:30	herbijudlestoids	so economists used to be better at predicting the economy and now they suck?
09:31	herbijudlestoids	or economists have always sucked at predicting the economy and now we know it
09:31	ThickAsThieves	predicting, lol
09:31	herbijudlestoids	excuse my colloquialism
09:31	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids if you take the whole predictive discourse of economy in 1913 and compare to 2013
09:31	herbijudlestoids	forecast
09:31	mircea_popescu	you will find a marked decline in the average quality.
09:31	davout	wouldn't "forecasting" be a better match?
09:31	mircea_popescu	this is BECAUSE a democratic view to specialist fields is harmful for everyone involved :
09:32	mircea_popescu	the idiots, the professionals, society at large.
09:32	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: as someone who actually sits on SSRN in his free time reading research old and new i kind of disagree
09:32	mircea_popescu	well perhaps my view is wrong.
09:32	mircea_popescu	maybe someone takes the time to settle this.
09:32	herbijudlestoids	i dunno about your view but i am just saying predictive discourse was worse in 1913 than now
09:32	mircea_popescu	tho it's a huge task, you can't even read all the deluge of today
09:32	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Maybe subscribe to some more interesting stuff than SSRN
09:33	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids worse, in what measure ?
09:33	ThickAsThieves	is it really a prediction if it was the plan all along?
09:33	herbijudlestoids	in resolution, accuracy, understanding, etc
09:33	mircea_popescu	i strictly mean, average quality went down, in the sense the understanding displayed dwindled. not in the sense better predictions were done
09:34	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: plenty of interesting stuff from hedge funds and instos goes up there as working papers daily ;)
09:34	mircea_popescu	(the reason you'll never have better predictions is modelled in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/
09:34	mircea_popescu	the part dealing with why technology can't help the police)
09:35	ThickAsThieves	"OK guys, everyone processed these stellar news? Let's be optimistic that the driest patch is over, esp. communications-wise. Keep in mind though, the dividends won't rise until April and there still may be weeks of silence where friedcat fixes the last problems"
09:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00580002 = 0.5684 BTC [-] {2}
09:36	ThickAsThieves	meanwhile http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
09:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda not the first, not the last neh ?
09:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: IANAL, but this tidbit seems to signal the final, complete death of the 19th century u.s. law known as 'posse comitatus act'
09:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00088935 = 5.7808 BTC [-]
09:38	mircea_popescu	that it may be.
09:39	mircea_popescu	the notion that the imperial household is in any way limited wasn't doing too well over there anyway.
09:41	herbijudlestoids	any chance of having assbot broadcasting in another chan with mode +q set so the logger i setup only stores the orders?
09:41	mircea_popescu	was it #bitcoin-assets-trades ?
09:41	nubbins`	yes
09:41	nubbins`	had to check
09:41	herbijudlestoids	sweet
09:41	herbijudlestoids	thx
09:42	herbijudlestoids	i /whois'd assbot before asking but it didnt show up
09:42	nubbins`	probably +s
09:42	mircea_popescu	prolly.
09:42	herbijudlestoids	ok i will setup a logger before bed i think
09:43	mircea_popescu	so 9bn on march is 8:1
09:43	mircea_popescu	steep.
09:43	mircea_popescu	what good are 3Gh/W chips at 3 dollars each in that context ?
09:43	nubbins`	a guy really does lsd in that wall street movie and writes an exam and passes it?
09:44	mircea_popescu	nubbins` crack.
09:44	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/polynominal-time-pkc-attack.pdf
09:44	nubbins`	oh well jeez sure
09:44	nubbins`	it
09:44	nubbins`	's wall street
09:44	mircea_popescu	these people and their pdfs ;/
09:44	ThickAsThieves	"If I was inclined to have a boyfriend, I would select one my height and weight to save having to readjust the driver's seat position. I am not interested in doubling my wardrobe as I wear the same outfit everyday to facilitate speedy identification should I ever be in a boating accident."
09:44	mircea_popescu	nubbins` dude you ever seen a series 7 ?
09:44	ThickAsThieves	I like this David Thorne guy
09:44	asciilifeform	RIP McEliece.
09:45	nubbins`	not being american nor a stock broker, can't say that i have
09:45	asciilifeform	(or perhaps not. seems to rely on bit-errors.)
09:45	nubbins`	six hours! oh my
09:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is it basically http://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/paper.php?pubkey=3559 ?
09:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63499 = 1.27 BTC [+]
09:45	nubbins`	you'd crash and burn pretty close to the start
09:45	nubbins`	unless you actually did take lsd
09:45	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's like the SAT, except to even show on the scale in s7 you need about 98% on the sat.
09:45	nubbins`	in which case the crash and burn would be more like a smouldering fire
09:46	mircea_popescu	besides, it costs plenty to even take.
09:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002825 = 0.226 BTC [-]
09:46	mircea_popescu	enough so that most people rely on their comp to pay for it.
09:46	mircea_popescu	sort-of like the rhel exams except ^2
09:46	nubbins`	heh
09:47	nubbins`	actuarial exams are a paid-for thing usually, as well
09:47	nubbins`	looked into this some years ago when deciding whether to do statistics or not
09:47	mircea_popescu	so are drugs. now, would you take a 20 dollar hit the day of a 20k exam ?
09:47	nubbins`	depends, am i a fuck-up?
09:48	mircea_popescu	right=o.
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00615889 = 0.2217 BTC [+]
09:48	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nope, this one's new.
09:48	mircea_popescu	you're not getting a pass. which is you know... wtf, this guy PASSED ?!
09:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63499 BTC [+]
09:49	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4809695#msg4809695
09:49	ozbot	Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
09:50	nubbins`	if you can pay to remove bans, posts like that should entitle you to a get-out-of-jail-free card
09:50	nubbins`	"OP made me feel quite ashamed of how a lot of the listed qualities that i find so disgusting in of the mindsets of some the crypto following, so succinctly described my own actions which i never looked closely, instead just looking at others in contempt."
09:50	mircea_popescu	how is she ever getting banned
09:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63499 = 4.4449 BTC [+] {2}
09:50	mircea_popescu	o you mean the noob. mayhap.
09:50	nubbins`	not OP, but that reply
09:50	nubbins`	heh
09:50	ThickAsThieves	"I don't want the next big job creating discovery, the research and technology, to be in Germany, or China, or Japan," the president said
09:50	ThickAsThieves	uhhh
09:51	mircea_popescu	lol a little late for that.
09:51	nubbins`	HEH
09:51	herbijudlestoids	k loggin
09:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]
09:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00615889 = 0.1293 BTC [+]
09:51	herbijudlestoids	i maek u pretty graf
09:52	herbijudlestoids	even setup logrotate on the fucker
09:52	mircea_popescu	so i was going to go, speaking of imperatOr, here's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465492 and then highlight asciilifeform
09:52	mircea_popescu	except assbot STOLE the gist of my message.
09:52	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435263.msg4802685#msg4802685
09:52	ozbot	Personal responsibility and inept Bitcoin jesusing
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63749999 = 2.55 BTC [+] {3}
09:52	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you gotta fix this censorsheep!
09:52	nubbins`	"seemed to be" ;(
09:53	mircea_popescu	!t h am1
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.40600000 / 0.54752483 / 0.67500000 (304 shares, 166.44754973 BTC), 7D: 0.34000000 / 0.47735293 / 0.70890000 (1936 shares, 924.15527485 BTC), 30D: 0.28090000 / 0.47903449 / 0.74500000 (5435 shares, 2603.55244873 BTC)
09:53	nubbins`	<zantafio> i have hundred btc on just dice.. very nvervous right now
09:54	nubbins`	i'd be nervous with 100btc on a DICE SITE even if it wasn't down
09:54	mircea_popescu	apparently teh ppl liked teh forum post.
09:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i guess it depends whose.
09:54	nubbins`	that's like almost half a house!
09:55	nubbins`	"sez here you lost an incredible amount of money to some website. do you know who runs it?" "some guy named doug, i think"
09:56	herbijudlestoids	in aus the house price to avg salary ratio is double the US, so 100BTC is like, 20% at best for the value of a house here :P
09:57	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465989
09:57	mircea_popescu	this would imply aussies avgt salary is 2.5x us
09:57	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: GDP/capits is 70k PP USD in AUS and about 49k PPUSD in AUS
09:57	herbijudlestoids	s/capits/capita
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00615889 = 0.5789 BTC [+]
09:57	mircea_popescu	wait wut ?
09:57	herbijudlestoids	wut wut
09:57	mircea_popescu	which is it, 70k or 49k ?
09:58	mircea_popescu	schroedingaustralia ?
09:58	herbijudlestoids	err sorry lol 49k in US
09:58	mircea_popescu	gdp/capita is a poor measure of salaries, anyway.
09:58	herbijudlestoids	but in both cases very close to the avg salary
09:58	nubbins`	well, what's in an average
09:58	mircea_popescu	ro gdp/capita is like 8k. average salary is like 500, minimum wage is a whopping 150 dollars.
09:59	nubbins`	know the average income of the city bill gates lives?
09:59	herbijudlestoids	some form of aggregate understanding?
09:59	nubbins`	s/understanding/data
09:59	mircea_popescu	like 2/3 of the population makes that minimum wage.
10:02	herbijudlestoids	just checked to confirm US avg salary is $52k USD and AUS avg salary is $73k AUD, evens out to be about 50/70 on a PP basis
10:03	mircea_popescu	point remains, there is a LOT of variance in both housing prices and salaries in the us.
10:03	mircea_popescu	the "half a house" comment probably references older discussions re the housing market in central ohio
10:03	nubbins`	nah just going on my own house
10:04	nubbins`	only one person who regulars this chan cares about central ohio ;p
10:04	ThickAsThieves	it's like $2800 for 1000sqft in San Francisco and $800/mo for a 1700sqft house in north Florida
10:04	nubbins`	so many people from around here own houses in florida now
10:05	nubbins`	imagine, the descendants of fishmongers from what is historically canada's poorest province, scooping up florida real estate like monopoly properties
10:06	nubbins`	not sure if it says more about here or there
10:07	mircea_popescu	The “True Love Tester” bra can’t be masterfully unhooked by some skeevy player who hit on the wearer at a club. No, this bra only comes undone when sensors embedded inside it that are connected wirelessly to a smartphone app detect a particular heart rate
10:07	mircea_popescu	basically... it's the rape bra.
10:07	nubbins`	facelamp
10:07	nubbins`	guess it's not for the gym either
10:08	nubbins`	actually the reverse would be great for the gym
10:08	herbijudlestoids	ok its not double
10:08	mircea_popescu	get on the stairmaster, tits go out
10:08	nubbins`	keep your heart rate up OR ELSE
10:08	herbijudlestoids	the house price to income in aus is about 4 atm and about 3 in the US
10:08	mircea_popescu	dude that's a gread idea
10:08	nubbins`	it's like the pay toilets in korea, you stop feeding coins and the door pops open
10:08	mircea_popescu	perhaps make some cockrings with electricity too.
10:09	mircea_popescu	sorta like the dog collars.
10:09	nubbins`	"sorta like"... they make shock collars for small dogs too :P
10:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]
10:10	herbijudlestoids	ah shiet 2am
10:10	mircea_popescu	yes but what dog is that small
10:10	herbijudlestoids	bredtime
10:10	mircea_popescu	did he say it's time to get bred ?!
10:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00287999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
10:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00089478 = 27.3355 BTC [+]
10:12	ThickAsThieves	anyone present like hip hop?
10:13	nubbins`	some, not all
10:13	nubbins`	not most, even
10:14	ThickAsThieves	i wanna share a song i just finished, but have no one to share with
10:14	mircea_popescu	o.o
10:15	nubbins`	put it on soundcloud and let the world hear
10:15	ThickAsThieves	i cant yet
10:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 45 @ 0.028 = 1.26 BTC [-] {4}
10:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00287999 = 0.2736 BTC [+]
10:17	ThickAsThieves	https://db.tt/Rm6UjcFC is the mp3, if anyone is interested
10:17	ThickAsThieves	i did the music/mix/production
10:17	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: regarding s.mg forums/wikis/etc, the deal is one cannot simultaneously use game assets and accept payment?
10:17	ThickAsThieves	a local does the raps
10:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yea
10:19	nubbins`	does that extend to likenesses of assets or just the originals?
10:19	nubbins`	say, a rendition of creature x
10:20	mircea_popescu	uh
10:20	mircea_popescu	what are you trying to do, let's start at that end
10:20	nubbins`	haha.
10:21	nubbins`	make a forum
10:21	nubbins`	specifically, one with some sort of in-game beastie incorporated into the logo
10:21	mircea_popescu	so enjoy.
10:22	nubbins`	lovely
10:22	nubbins`	not a lot to discuss yet, but figured it'd be nice to have something in place for when there is
10:22	mircea_popescu	just don't start with any thermos bs.
10:22	nubbins`	well i was thinking about banning everyone by default
10:23	mircea_popescu	lol
10:23	nubbins`	(srsly)
10:24	nubbins`	hence the original question ;D
10:24	mircea_popescu	well then if you ban everyone what do i care ? i'll never know.
10:24	nubbins`	you'd probably get an honorary membership
10:24	nubbins`	i mean, uh, un-baning
10:24	nubbins`	*banning
10:25	mircea_popescu	so what exactly aren;t you saying ?
10:25	nubbins`	it's a pay forum
10:25	mircea_popescu	well no, you can't do that.
10:25	nubbins`	aha
10:26	mircea_popescu	why do you want to make a pay forum anyway
10:26	nubbins`	(a) to cover costs and (b) to get paid
10:26	nubbins`	justifiable if the content is there
10:26	nubbins`	for instance, gigposters.com forums costs $20/year for "premium" membership
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 162 @ 0.00615889 = 0.9977 BTC [+]
10:27	nubbins`	not required, but you're mercilessly browbeaten if you leech too much good advice without buying one.
10:27	nubbins`	and the real nice stuff, like plans for equipment, is hidden inside the premium members subforum
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
10:28	mircea_popescu	but listen, if what you want is to get paid, you should do something else than a forum
10:28	mircea_popescu	forums are god awful for this purpose. do something that pays.
10:28	azi`	so weird.. if you want to withdraw funds from mtgox and send them to another BTC you are faced with "invalid BTC address" error multiple times and it only works after a random amount of "submit clicks..
10:29	azi`	i am wondering if they use this to stall funds on the site...
10:29	nubbins`	tbf, if i wanted to get paid well, i'd not have retired from IT
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]
10:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8455 @ 0.00089467 = 7.5644 BTC [-]
10:29	mircea_popescu	azi` indeed.
10:29	azi`	am I just paranoid?
10:29	nubbins`	but that aside, i can't see myself running a free-for-all forum
10:29	nubbins`	not worth the effort
10:29	KRS1	they've done other things like disabled onclick actions when you try to submit a form
10:29	nubbins`	even with advertising
10:30	azi`	KRS1: hm? what does thatmean
10:30	KRS1	they disabled submit buttons in the past
10:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` well that's kinda it, as a general principle. if you want to get paid do something that pays
10:31	mircea_popescu	rather than try to finagle a fundamentally unpaying model into paying you
10:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62916666 = 3.775 BTC [-] {2}
10:31	azi`	KRS1: so they are a bit shady..
10:31	mircea_popescu	azi` they are beyond shady.
10:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 700 @ 0.00086552 = 0.6059 BTC [+] {4}
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00614 = 0.5772 BTC [+] {2}
10:34	nubbins`	so shady they don't wear sunblock on hot days
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006157 = 1.2314 BTC [+]
10:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.006157 = 0.9297 BTC [+] {2}
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00086666 = 0.208 BTC [+]
10:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15699 @ 0.00089511 = 14.0523 BTC [+] {2}
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00615699 = 0.862 BTC [+]
10:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999998 BTC [+]
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.028 = 0.364 BTC [-]
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]
10:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
10:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00615195 = 0.1415 BTC [-] {3}
11:03	jurov	nubbins try to approach some existing forums with your congenial idea
11:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00550122 = 0.165 BTC [+]
11:03	jurov	such as http://bitcoinforum.com/ (the one i'm trying to use for coinbr support)
11:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00287999 = 0.167 BTC [+]
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63 = 1.89 BTC [+]
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1610 @ 0.00009101 = 0.1465 BTC [+]
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00606959 = 0.1396 BTC [-] {2}
11:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00089267 = 11.2923 BTC [-] {4}
11:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6349999 = 5.08 BTC [+]
11:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+]
11:12	the20year	Take a look at these charts and tell me if they make sense to you all (Pre-collapse RS price charts) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/BF%20chart%20%28Medium%29.jpg
11:12	the20year	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/RelativePricing.jpg
11:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
11:20	ThickAsThieves	your first problem is thinking a bitcoin stock chart is going to make sense
11:24	lippoper	.bait
11:24	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/c1ea084cf12c63c8658c1eeb356a691c/tumblr_mxddl5mzxA1soc88vo1_500.jpg
11:24	lippoper	.bait
11:24	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/12a740d250c034c204bf1e5a412a8a8f/tumblr_mor7stoMnX1qc4rfao1_1280.jpg
11:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31923 @ 0.00088774 = 28.3393 BTC [-] {3}
11:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62 = 3.1 BTC [-]
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1609 @ 0.00610504 = 9.823 BTC [+] {14}
11:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63256631 = 18.977 BTC [+] {7}
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 900 @ 0.00634031 = 5.7063 BTC [+] {6}
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0062003 = 0.3038 BTC [-]
11:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.6604054 = 11.2269 BTC [+] {5}
11:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.66777777 = 4.0067 BTC [+] {2}
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0063499 = 0.273 BTC [+]
11:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09016667 = 0.2705 BTC [-] {2}
11:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00638866 = 7.0275 BTC [+] {7}
11:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 206 @ 0.00636114 = 1.3104 BTC [-] {3}
11:45	b0n1	hey there! I just read an interesting article about the sefnit botnet (http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2014/01/09/tackling-the-sefnit-botnet-tor-hazard.aspx) And I was wondering in what way this correlates with the litecoin mining difficulty
11:45	b0n1	what do you think? The drop at january is much later than the cleaning update, right? Did they clean directly when the cleaner was included in the microsoft update, or did they install the cleaner and trigger them simultaneously at a given time in the middle of january?
11:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11614 @ 0.00088298 = 10.2549 BTC [-]
11:47	TomServo	b0n1: You're wondering about the drop in LTC hashrate? Around the 19th?
11:48	b0n1	yeah
11:48	b0n1	TomServo its sefnit, isnt it?
11:48	punkman	doge
11:48	TomServo	I thought it was doge
11:48	b0n1	why so fast and abrupt?
11:49	TomServo	check this out: http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-ltc-doge.html
11:49	TomServo	switch to 3months
11:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00287912 = 0.144 BTC [-]
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00638997 = 0.6326 BTC [+] {2}
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.669 = 2.007 BTC [+]
11:51	b0n1	well doge was much longer more profitable than ltc, right? why do people switch so rapidly?
11:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66999999 = 4.69 BTC [+]
11:51	TomServo	Because the price shot up around the same time
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.67 = 2.68 BTC [+]
11:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 210 @ 0.00083012 = 0.1743 BTC [-] {3}
11:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00287912 = 0.1123 BTC [-]
11:57	KRS1	http://i.imgur.com/2plqA3I.jpg
11:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
12:03	pankkake	why do people switch so rapidly => because it's often automated
12:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088526 = 2.1689 BTC [+]
12:11	mod6	;;bc,stats
12:11	gribble	Current Blocks: 283068 | Current Difficulty: 2.193847870174279E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 284255 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2455257168.03 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.91556
12:13	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty estimates 18.44%
12:13	ozbot	Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
12:14	mod6	hmm, yeah
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
12:16	mod6	so what happened to LTC difficulty? fell off a table ~1/20/14
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66 = 1.32 BTC [-]
12:24	mod6	i like btcwisdom for its fibonacci fans&retracement tools
12:25	ThickAsThieves	maybe it was Shrem Mine
12:27	TomServo	mod6: http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-ltc-doge.html seems it went to doge
12:29	mod6	nice chart, thx TomServo
12:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66902 BTC [+]
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0063 = 0.1386 BTC [-]
12:33	mod6	much trollcoin
		~ 18 minutes ~
12:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45853 @ 0.00088859 = 40.7445 BTC [+] {2}
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63002023 BTC [-]
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08213333 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {3}
12:59	mircea_popescu	b0n1 fwiw, it's more likely doge than whatever botnet.
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08105001 = 0.3242 BTC [-] {3}
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0063 = 0.4599 BTC [+]
13:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0063 = 0.567 BTC [+]
13:02	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/28888a6464f3ab2b5df77fa3ec90bb61/tumblr_mj0qmbQ77O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
13:02	TomServo	zoinks scoob
13:03	TomServo	check out the funbags on that hosehound'
13:03	mircea_popescu	lol
13:04	mircea_popescu	don't tell me you're a fan of the cartoon dorkage of the 80s
13:04	TomServo	well, in the 80s!
13:04	mircea_popescu	i hated that hanna barbera shit. scooby doo, the jetsons, roadrunner, the works.
13:04	mircea_popescu	i was an emo preteen!
13:04	TomServo	haha
13:05	TomServo	I preferred, M.A.S.K, COPS and transformers
13:05	ThickAsThieves	i can tell from the fro pics
13:05	ThickAsThieves	you arent smiling til puberty
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00609911 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {5}
13:05	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/1504bd7f076ab4a2d5469a58bd5d0a18/tumblr_mj0qnpcCxr1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << dating in 2020.
13:05	TomServo	That fro though; That's impressive.
13:07	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves tho this may be more a function of photographic technology. sometime around my puberty they figured out how to take your picture without blinding you with twelve billion watts.
13:07	ThickAsThieves	hehe
13:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4647 @ 0.0008869 = 4.1214 BTC [-]
13:07	ThickAsThieves	your peers seemed to manage
13:08	mircea_popescu	eh girls, whadda they know.
13:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 71 @ 0.00323947 = 0.23 BTC [+] {8}
13:10	TomServo	Road Runner was a Loony Toon btw
13:11	mircea_popescu	i guess it was.
13:15	mod6	i kinda liked the Road Runner.
13:17	mod6	Wile E. Coyote running off cliff without realizing that there is no ground beneath his feet reminds me of U.S. econ.
13:17	mircea_popescu	but why ? the coyote tries shit, the roadrunner does not. yet it always comes ahead.
13:17	mod6	hhaha, i dunno. guess he's just too fast.
13:17	mircea_popescu	i get it, the socialist mind wants this to be the case. yet... shiut doesn't work that way.
13:18	mircea_popescu	irl the coyote eventually fucks up the roadrunner. badly.
13:18	mod6	I supposed after enough chance encounters, sooner or later the otherside wins one.
13:19	mod6	*suppose
13:19	mircea_popescu	kinda what got me, you know ? it never fucking won. gets boring to watch it if you know the result aforehand
13:20	mod6	true enough. the main attraction is to find out what devious scheme the coyote will attempt and ultimately fail with.
13:21	mircea_popescu	suppose no matter what you did, the computer just blinked the screen once. that's it.
13:21	nubbins`	well, wimpy kids watching cartoons don't want the mean guy to win, y'know?
13:21	mircea_popescu	wouldn't make anyone too interested in programming would it
13:22	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how is the coyote the bad guy ?
13:22	mircea_popescu	fucking roadrunner is the bad guy
13:22	nubbins`	on account of him wanting to have lunch
13:22	nubbins`	obv
13:22	nubbins`	veg agenda
13:22	mircea_popescu	what is this, guilttrippin for preteens ?
13:22	nubbins`	mel blanc? vegan
13:22	mircea_popescu	haha srsly ?!
13:22	nubbins`	no idea ;(
13:22	TomServo	lol
13:23	nubbins`	doubt it
13:23	mircea_popescu	this never occured to me. seems too simple to work :D
13:23	nubbins`	recall the sheep skits
13:23	nubbins`	same thing
13:23	mircea_popescu	you mean with the titty chick whatever her name was ?
13:23	nubbins`	nah sheepdog vs wolf
13:23	mircea_popescu	i dun think i ever saw that
13:23	TomServo	I'm with mod6, the draw was seeing what nonsense was Macgyver'd up by the coyote. (Much like MacGyver incidentally)
13:24	nubbins`	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Sam_and_Ralph_choke.png
13:24	mircea_popescu	but mcgyver GETS IT
13:24	mircea_popescu	kinda why i never got into that, either : he always succeeds
13:24	mircea_popescu	wtf is up with that
13:25	TomServo	More of a Knight Rider guy?
13:25	mod6	yah, McGyver always seems to figure it out, always works out for him. never ends up with his balls in a vice.
13:25	mircea_popescu	i never watched that one either.
13:25	ThickAsThieves	CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to Revolutionize News Gathering
13:25	mircea_popescu	of the newer stuff i watched dexter and cow&chicken, which both imo are brilliant.
13:25	mircea_popescu	esp the latter
13:26	ThickAsThieves	gather all the news!
13:26	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves " CNN Announces Partnership with Twitter to stop paying reporters altogether"
13:26	TomServo	You finished Dexter?
13:26	mod6	CNN, such irrelevance.
13:26	nubbins`	meat grinder announces partnership with iphone to revolutionize music
13:26	mircea_popescu	TomServo they only did like 20-30 episodes iirc.
13:26	nubbins`	there's like 8 seasons of dexter
13:26	mircea_popescu	the renaisance was coming to an end
13:26	ThickAsThieves	hide your news, hide your blogs, CNN is coming for you
13:27	mod6	"Tonight on CNN, we're gonna read the top trending tweets!"
13:27	mircea_popescu	nubbins` dexter, boy genius. and his sister dee dee
13:27	mod6	*snooze*
13:27	mircea_popescu	mod6 ayup.
13:27	nubbins`	oh, HAHA. that show ruled
13:27	TomServo	Oh, Dexter cartoon.
13:27	nubbins`	laborrahtories etc
13:27	mircea_popescu	old media is becoming a sort of "internet aids for old and disabled people"
13:27	ThickAsThieves	AOL
13:27	mod6	exactly mp
13:27	mircea_popescu	not that there's anything wrong with it, nice public service
13:27	mircea_popescu	but there's not going to be any money in it.
13:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35376 @ 0.00089607 = 31.6994 BTC [+] {3}
13:28	mircea_popescu	i never heard of a multi billion dollar "reading books for the blind" venture.
13:28	ThickAsThieves	CNN Announces Terminal AOL Affliction
13:28	TomServo	But I hear glasses and hearing aids are really expensive.
13:28	mircea_popescu	pretty much. "CNN Gives Up"
13:28	mircea_popescu	TomServo good ones. with emphasis on good.
13:29	ThickAsThieves	Currently on their gravestone: 10 winter health myths busted, Motley Crue signs 'death pact', Ancient blueprint for Noah's Ark found?
13:29	mircea_popescu	da fuck.
13:29	mircea_popescu	is cnn like a sort of tv daily mail ?!
13:29	nubbins`	haha
13:29	TomServo	Or worse.
13:29	mircea_popescu	wtf is going on over there
13:30	ThickAsThieves	She was killed for photobomb, cops say
13:30	nubbins`	motley crue, noah's ark
13:30	ThickAsThieves	Surprising celebrity friendships
13:30	mircea_popescu	dude this is like the depths of stalin's winter, proletcultism it was called.
13:30	mircea_popescu	;;google proletcultism
13:30	ThickAsThieves	Super rich, stop your ranting!
13:30	gribble	Poezia română după proletcultism by Constantin Abăluţă ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17371377-poezia-rom-n-dup-proletcultism>; Sebastian Reichmann (Contributor of Poezia română după ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3339608.Sebastian_Reichmann>; Proletkult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletkult>
13:30	mircea_popescu	apparently this concept doth not exist in english
13:30	mircea_popescu	o nm, proletkult
13:30	mod6	OOoo. I want to spend 20 minutes of my life on "Suprising celebrity friendships"
13:30	ThickAsThieves	lol, i skipped the main headline:
13:30	ThickAsThieves	IT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN
13:31	ThickAsThieves	Snow turns Atlanta into 'zombie movie'
13:31	FabianB	;;premium mtgox btce
13:31	mircea_popescu	yeah, that. it sucked.
13:31	gribble	Premium of MtGox over BTC-E is currently 17.8118295455 %.
13:31	ThickAsThieves	all their journalists are Twitterers and SEO Specialists now
13:32	ThickAsThieves	I blame Google
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13:32	ThickAsThieves	I had this idea to make the anti-google search engine
13:32	ThickAsThieves	but i know nothing of running search engines
13:33	FabianB	duckduckgo?
13:33	ThickAsThieves	thats just anonymous
13:33	ThickAsThieves	not anti enough
13:33	mod6	how about a simple page that when you hit SUBMIT on the form just returns, "GO FUCK YOURSELF"?
13:34	mod6	fuuuuckyougle.com
13:34	ThickAsThieves	sorta like a simpler lmgtfy
13:34	ThickAsThieves	hehe
13:35	pankkake	duckduckgo has some anti-google features like "no bubble" http://dontbubble.us/
13:35	ThickAsThieves	lol: POLITICIAN EXPLODES, THEN APOLOGIZES
13:36	ThickAsThieves	Witnesses complain of bloody mess but appreciate posthumous apology
13:36	mod6	must have been a mess.
13:38	mircea_popescu	it's not really possible to make a google without ai.
13:38	ThickAsThieves	thats actually the anti part
13:38	ThickAsThieves	all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable
13:39	ThickAsThieves	then the engine averages all template weights for a default one
13:39	ThickAsThieves	or curates it some
13:39	ThickAsThieves	but if yoy make an account
13:39	ThickAsThieves	you can de-weight twitter mentions, or such
13:39	ThickAsThieves	save custom search templates
13:39	ThickAsThieves	like weight blogs and twitter only, if you are a journalist
13:40	ThickAsThieves	all SEO methods are posted
13:40	ThickAsThieves	no mystery
13:40	ThickAsThieves	it is law instead
13:41	ThickAsThieves	lotsa algo work
13:41	ThickAsThieves	but methodical
13:42	ThickAsThieves	this would cause search results to be more organic with time and trends
13:42	ThickAsThieves	rather than the reverse
13:42	ThickAsThieves	IPO coming soon
13:44	ThickAsThieves	codename: Search Party
13:44	mod6	bluehorseshoe <3's anacott steel
13:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00276753 = 0.6642 BTC [-] {3}
13:46	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/democracy-and-finance-dont-mix-the-math-involved/
13:46	ozbot	Democracy and finance don’t mix - the math involved pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:47	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> all search weight factors would be transparent and customizable << now this is a great idea.
13:47	mircea_popescu	really great idea.
13:47	mircea_popescu	especially if you allow people to add factors.
13:47	mircea_popescu	basically self-fighting antispam engine
13:47	gecko_x2	mp hi, i need ur help
13:47	mircea_popescu	shoot
13:47	ThickAsThieves	thats the first time i told the idea and the listeners eyes didnt cross
13:48	gecko_x2	a guy want to buy litecoin for btc of me for alittle higher rate than btc-e
13:48	gecko_x2	this is his proposal for escrow:
13:48	gecko_x2	I create and give you a btc wallet and password on blockchain with 5.7 BTC 2. You can login , check BTC, change password and attach and verify to your email this wallet 3. You send me the ltc 4. i release you the transfer keys so you can send BTC to your personal wallet that way block chain role is as escrow
13:48	mircea_popescu	it's weak.
13:48	gecko_x2	what do you think?
13:48	gecko_x2	why?
13:48	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:48	ThickAsThieves	cuz he can change pass again
13:48	mircea_popescu	because he yeah
13:48	ThickAsThieves	with other factors
13:48	mircea_popescu	use someone as an escrow.
13:49	ThickAsThieves	yeah
13:49	ThickAsThieves	i'll so crypto escrow for ya for .2 btc if no one else will
13:49	ThickAsThieves	do*
13:49	mircea_popescu	that;s a little rich innit ?
13:49	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust gecko_x2
13:49	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gecko_x2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gecko_x2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gecko_x2 | Rated since: never
13:49	punkman	ThickAsThieves: http://www.searchenginecaffe.com/2010/11/blekko-launches-brings-transparency-to.html
13:49	ThickAsThieves	call me Steve Jobs
13:50	punkman	two years later: "Blekko Betrays Trust Blocks SEO Data And Shreds Transparency Policy"
13:50	mircea_popescu	punkman srsly ?!
13:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves clearly there's money in it.
13:51	punkman	well if anyone wants to experiment, this is very handy: http://commoncrawl.org/
13:51	ThickAsThieves	maybe we can fund this blekko guy
13:51	punkman	you can have a personal search engine, it's gonna cost though
13:51	mircea_popescu	back in the days i still had time, i used to run romania's digg/reddit/sm aggregator thing
13:51	mircea_popescu	it did some pretty wicked search things, but then again it was kind of small
13:51	mircea_popescu	not THAT much romanian internet out there.
13:52	ThickAsThieves	the real answer is to patent the search idea after fully documenting it, then sell it to Yahoo
13:52	mircea_popescu	do you want to do something or just make money ?
13:52	ThickAsThieves	in this case, money
13:53	ThickAsThieves	i have no desire to be CEO of TAToogle
13:53	mircea_popescu	so then it's not for you.
13:53	gecko_x2	well
13:53	gecko_x2	he is offering me 5.7 btc for 200 ltc
13:53	gecko_x2	current value on btc-e 5.3 btc
13:53	mircea_popescu	this is not a consideration gecko_x2
13:54	gecko_x2	i'd love to take 0.4 btc
13:54	gecko_x2	how to make this work?
13:54	mircea_popescu	use some person as an escrow.
13:54	mircea_popescu	someone with a wot rating
13:54	ThickAsThieves	you dont even need to find a person
13:54	mircea_popescu	then he can rate you both and you can rate each other etc.
13:54	ThickAsThieves	just tell him you will
13:54	ThickAsThieves	and he'll go away
13:55	mircea_popescu	lol or that
13:55	pankkake	haha, true
13:55	gecko_x2	;;gettrust mircea_popescu
13:55	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gecko_x2 to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gecko_x2&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
13:55	mircea_popescu	cynical bastards, the lot of ye.
13:55	gecko_x2	so mp will u be my escrow?
13:55	gecko_x2	or TaT?
13:55	pankkake	why would someone want to pay more than on btc-e? makes no sense
13:55	gecko_x2	<gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?
13:56	punkman	free ltc of course
13:56	mircea_popescu	i don't actually have a ltc wallet o.o
13:56	gecko_x2	i don't use any exch
13:56	gecko_x2	5 mounts
13:56	gecko_x2	i lose much money,also someone hack my account
13:56	gecko_x2	and that is rison ''WHY
13:56	ThickAsThieves	he's wasting your time
13:56	mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/fafc587c5a3b9709dd750ca3bd8f5be1/tumblr_miind4dYZI1s1m2veo1_400.gif << "check this shit out, are these the flappiest, looses tits ever or what ? what do you people think ?"
13:56	ThickAsThieves	and now ours
13:57	pankkake	can't spell = scammer. no exceptions
13:57	mircea_popescu	i wonder what that says of all the dorks hating on mpoe-pr
13:57	mircea_popescu	they rarely manage to speal.
13:57	gecko_x2	c'monm peeps help me make some dough :)
13:58	gecko_x2	ThickAsThieves?
13:58	pankkake	I can do the escrow but I doubt it will come to that
13:58	ThickAsThieves	i already offered to do it for .2btc
13:58	ThickAsThieves	maybe pankkake will for less
13:58	gecko_x2	.1
13:58	ThickAsThieves	or some forumite
13:58	gecko_x2	:D
13:58	punkman	google found the video for the gif: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq7twm_audrey-bastien-nude-scene_redband
13:59	gecko_x2	https://blockchain.info/wallet/0ad7110b-eb0a-47e6-8281-ad425b966a6d
13:59	ozbot	My Wallet - Be Your Own Bank - Blockchain.info
13:59	pankkake	I have no litecoins now so might not be able to pay the tx fee actually :/
13:59	mircea_popescu	punkman is it good ?
14:01	KRS1	oh wow mircea_popescu..very nice, I would fap to those boobies. Plus she looks older than that girl. Hmmm.
14:01	KRS1	She looks a bit jealous.
14:02	gecko_x2	i'm logged in
14:02	gecko_x2	should be ok you think?
14:02	gecko_x2	he gave me the pass
14:02	gecko_x2	5.83 btc
14:03	gecko_x2	oh what the hell.. i'm game
14:03	ThickAsThieves	send the btc to another wallet then
14:03	punkman	gecko_x2, why aren't you doing this in small increments?
14:04	mircea_popescu	this is so cute.
14:05	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ << imagine if mtgox goes bye bye
14:05	ozbot	BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.6300158 = 7.5602 BTC [-] {5}
14:08	ThickAsThieves	then youll get snackman's ghosts
14:09	gecko_x2	hmm email verification code incorrect
14:09	mircea_popescu	is that like, a good thing ?
14:09	ThickAsThieves	lol
14:10	ThickAsThieves	how to lose $5000 with an audience
14:10	mircea_popescu	something tells me this is going to become a pretty epic example of "ask mp, ignore what he says"
14:10	ThickAsThieves	start counting your bash lines!
14:12	lippoper	what are you saying about dogecoin?
14:13	lippoper	that the ema lines have crossed once again? Maybe it's a good time to buy in and ride the wave?
14:13	mircea_popescu	i have no idea
14:14	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/hi-this-is-not-office/
14:14	ozbot	Hi this is not office. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:14	lippoper	doge lol
14:15	lippoper	http://www.coindesk.com/vault-of-satoshi-new-altcoin-support/
14:16	lippoper	https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com/orderbook
14:16	ozbot	Vault of Satoshi
14:16	lippoper	dogecoin -> usd
14:16	ThickAsThieves	ick
14:16	lippoper	as well as primecoin, feathercoin, quarkcoin,
14:16	lippoper	litecoin, namecoin, peercoin
14:17	lippoper	wow
14:17	ThickAsThieves	dogecoin is like a feedback loop of you slapping yourself in a mirror
14:17	ThickAsThieves	cant watch, not funny, embarassing, etc
14:18	ThickAsThieves	get off my lawn
14:18	mircea_popescu	dude you didn't see the artful clipart of the challenger with a D on it while sepparating from its boosters
14:18	mircea_popescu	how can you be so ignorant
14:19	lippoper	lolz
14:19	ThickAsThieves	i saw it
14:19	ThickAsThieves	and cringed
14:19	ThickAsThieves	when i see some things so hideous, i physically react
14:19	ThickAsThieves	like some of these reality shows
14:19	mircea_popescu	it is mildly concerning that the current crop of kids are so visually driven and cognitively impaired
14:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.049 = 2.009 BTC [+]
14:20	mircea_popescu	it's almost as if living in a world of doges.
14:20	ThickAsThieves	there's this new celebrity gameshow
14:20	ThickAsThieves	and they all sit on couches
14:20	ThickAsThieves	and pretend to be on drugs
14:20	mircea_popescu	srsly, what's with the drugs over there ?
14:21	ThickAsThieves	but mostly just display their new forms of surgical primping
14:21	ThickAsThieves	it's so painful to watch
14:21	ThickAsThieves	they all pretend to be funny
14:21	mod6	this is a game show?
14:22	ThickAsThieves	like it's a total charicature of reality
14:22	mircea_popescu	more like a lame show
14:22	mod6	srsly
14:22	mod6	it would be funnier if they were ACTUALLY on drugs.
14:22	ThickAsThieves	http://www.nbc.com/hollywood-game-night/
14:22	ozbot	Hollywood Game Night | Everyday People Play With Celebrities | NBC
14:22	mircea_popescu	anyway, ima be off to do some shit. if anyone seeks my advice just link them to the above.
14:22	mircea_popescu	do them about the same good.
14:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00089633 = 23.4838 BTC [+] {2}
14:26	lippoper	(つ◕_◕)つ [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]
14:26	ThickAsThieves	it's a trap!
14:27	lippoper	http://i.imgur.com/Z9gvzc3.gif <-- We're not crashing... We're just practicing for the Olympics!
14:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00089637 = 9.0982 BTC [+]
14:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00089473 = 15.792 BTC [-] {2}
14:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00089637 = 14.2523 BTC [+] {2}
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+] {2}
14:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.668 = 1.336 BTC [+]
14:42	gecko_x2	omg
14:43	gecko_x2	i just got conned :(
14:44	pankkake	how much? :/
14:45	assbot	Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1575635/plain/)
14:45	ThickAsThieves	!b 50
14:45	Animazing	Let me guess 200LTC
14:47	gecko_x2	yes?
14:47	gecko_x2	did i loose it?
14:47	ThickAsThieves	did you?
14:47	gecko_x2	hold
14:52	Animazing	If you sent it; you lost it
14:52	Animazing	it's as simple as that
14:52	gecko_x2	how
14:53	gecko_x2	i have the second pass to blockchain
14:53	gecko_x2	wtf
14:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00089307 = 5.6263 BTC [-]
14:54	kakobrekla	start using normal chars mircea_popescu
14:54	ThickAsThieves	this panelist!
14:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23285 @ 0.00088913 = 20.7034 BTC [-]
14:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.66957442 = 4.687 BTC [+] {4}
15:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.66993293 = 20.098 BTC [+] {4}
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.677 = 6.77 BTC [+] {2}
15:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00088913 = 5.437 BTC [-]
15:05	the20year	new shorts on difficulty on havelock?
15:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]
15:09	gecko_x2	fucking shit
15:09	gecko_x2	[17:43:31] * Maximilian was kicked by iwilcox (scammer)
15:09	gecko_x2	:(
15:09	kakobrekla	dafuq u doin
15:10	gecko_x2	:(
15:10	gecko_x2	:8
15:10	gecko_x2	:(
15:11	gecko_x2	motherf..
15:11	kakobrekla	what happend ?
15:11	gecko_x2	i got scammed it seems!
15:11	kakobrekla	yea, we got that....
15:12	kakobrekla	detals?
15:12	kakobrekla	details?
15:12	gecko_x2	well we used blockchain.info as escrow
15:12	gecko_x2	i have second password
15:14	gecko_x2	Volvo39 is 4faf593e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.175.89.62 * 79.175.89.62 - http://webchat.freenode.net
15:14	gecko_x2	Volvo39 on #bitcoin #litecoin
15:14	gecko_x2	Volvo39 using herbert.freenode.net DE
15:14	gecko_x2	Volvo39 End of /WHOIS list.
15:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]
15:15	Animazing	still not details
15:15	Animazing	no*
15:15	Animazing	A whois is not details on a scam
15:15	gecko_x2	hold on
15:15	gecko_x2	i have all logs
15:15	gecko_x2	:(
15:15	gecko_x2	this can't be happening..
15:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.690122 = 1.3802 BTC [+]
15:16	gecko_x2	my gawd
15:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 137 @ 0.00629758 = 0.8628 BTC [+] {6}
15:17	gecko_x2	MOTHERFUCK
15:17	Animazing	Just learn from the experience and move on
15:17	Animazing	When something sounds to good to be true it usually is
15:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00629999 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}
15:19	ThickAsThieves	dude, yknow blockchain.info even has an escrow multi-sig feature thing
15:19	punkman	gecko_x2: I see you ignored my suggestion
15:19	ThickAsThieves	we told you
15:19	ThickAsThieves	like 4 of us
15:19	pankkake	http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?Volvo39 http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*81.24.241*
15:19	ozbot	OTC Volvo39
15:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
15:20	gecko_x2	FUCK
15:20	pankkake	I think it's the same annoying guy
15:20	punkman	gecko_x2, just don't waste too much time trying to get it back
15:21	gecko_x2	:(
15:21	gecko_x2	how is it possible
15:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.690122 = 2.0704 BTC [+]
15:22	gecko_x2	jesus fuck 5.6 btc
15:22	gecko_x2	is there anything i can do?
15:22	punkman	because trading passwords over IM is not an acceptable substitute for the actual blockchain
15:22	gecko_x2	but i made a second pass to blockchain
15:23	gecko_x2	omg
15:23	ThickAsThieves	why didnt you send the coins to another wallet?
15:23	ThickAsThieves	that was your second chance
15:23	gecko_x2	i neede the private key
15:24	ThickAsThieves	lol
15:24	gecko_x2	:(
15:24	gecko_x2	funny?
15:24	ThickAsThieves	almost perfectly
15:24	ThickAsThieves	you trollin?
15:25	gecko_x2	NO
15:25	gecko_x2	god damnit
15:26	deadweasel	are you sure?
15:26	pankkake	take it as a learning experience, albeit expensive
15:26	deadweasel	could be a decent troll. or you might have lyme disease. is your brain swollen?
15:26	gecko_x2	what
15:27	gecko_x2	i can't login to the blockchain account anymore
15:27	gecko_x2	i made a second pass
15:27	gecko_x2	how is this possible?
15:27	deadweasel	did you use multi-sig?
15:27	gecko_x2	i was logged in
15:27	deadweasel	so no.
15:27	gecko_x2	reated a second password
15:27	gecko_x2	created*
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.690122 BTC [+]
15:28	gecko_x2	so how can he access the btc?
15:28	deadweasel	depends on how stupidly you set up the transaction.
15:28	pankkake	what is this second password thing?
15:28	deadweasel	the eagle flies at midnight
15:28	ThickAsThieves	until the bitcoins are in your own private wallet, you dont have them
15:28	pankkake	blochchain.info derives the private key from the password IIRC
15:29	ThickAsThieves	that's a constant
15:30	gecko_x2	hold he's back
15:33	pankkake	he's there every other day
15:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.00089638 = 3.7863 BTC [+]
15:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8501 @ 0.00089727 = 7.6277 BTC [+] {2}
15:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00007321 = 1.4642 BTC [-] {31}
15:42	gecko_x2	pankkake so he's a scammer?
15:43	gecko_x2	you sure?
15:43	pankkake	yes… serial scammer
15:43	gecko_x2	omg :(
15:44	gecko_x2	why the hell did i do this?
15:45	gecko_x2	my last btc
15:45	ThickAsThieves	you are lucky
15:46	ThickAsThieves	assuming youve learned your lesson
15:46	gecko_x2	what?
15:46	ThickAsThieves	most of us have surely fooled away more than 5btc
15:47	TomServo	gecko_x2: Why would you ask for advice and not follow it?
15:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 220 @ 0.0063 = 1.386 BTC [+]
15:49	deadweasel	impulsivity + greed = fail
15:50	gecko_x2	do you think i need this shit right now?
15:50	deadweasel	yes
15:50	TomServo	Yes.
15:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00271438 = 5.4288 BTC [-] {18}
15:50	TomServo	Well, actually you needed it earlier. AND GOT IT.
15:50	deadweasel	you know you like it, TomServo
15:51	deadweasel	keep boggling, i'm not there yet
15:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7179 @ 0.00007 = 0.5025 BTC [-] {3}
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35035 @ 0.00089572 = 31.3816 BTC [-]
15:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1075 @ 0.00270213 = 2.9048 BTC [-] {5}
15:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0027 = 0.162 BTC [-]
15:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 420 @ 0.00045007 = 0.189 BTC [-] {3}
15:59	lippoper	so from last time I said might be good time to invest in doges, they have gone from 170 to 180 satoshis
15:59	Korbman	Soooo...I've been catching up in this channel since I hadn't looked in a number of hours
15:59	Korbman	did I literally just read a scam unfold
16:00	Korbman	*unfolded because someone can't trade properly?
16:00	deadweasel	they tried, seems to have ignored the advice
16:00	deadweasel	learning is painful
16:00	deadweasel	and expensive
16:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00089768 = 9.4256 BTC [+] {2}
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 279 @ 0.00043001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
16:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.03182103 = 0.9546 BTC [-] {6}
16:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639999 = 0.64 BTC [+] {2}
16:08	ThickAsThieves	preach on sister!
16:10	Korbman	whelp, that's unfortunate
16:10	the20year	Anyone have a basic premise? I'm confused about the scam
16:10	jurov	!t m s.mpoe
16:10	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00088298 / 0.00088988 / 0.00089795 (1141890 shares, 1,016.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00087792 / 0.0009462 / 0.00101414 (6193303 shares, 5,860.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00082205 / 0.00089781 / 0.00101414 (28987275 shares, 26,025.11 BTC)
16:11	jurov	!t m s.bbet
16:11	assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00072 / 0.00072064 / 0.00075 (511 shares, 0.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00063054 / 0.0009 (18832 shares, 11.87 BTC)
16:11	Korbman	geck0_x2 - be thankful that's all you lost. Most of us have lost waaayyyyy more
16:11	Korbman	it's a very painful learning experience, but you'll be better off in the end
16:23	azi`	what kind of scam happened?
16:25	KRS1	Can you please describe the scam, sir.
16:26	jurov	did it involve sauna?
16:27	KRS1	Gecko_x2, Volvo39 stole 200 ltc from you?
16:28	gecko_x2	YES
16:28	gecko_x2	http://pastebin.com/rXNhe8V2
16:28	ozbot	[20:33:00] <Maximilian> hey [20:33:11] <gecko_x2> hi [20:33:24] <Maximilian> 2 - Pastebin.com
16:29	KRS1	sorry to hear that
16:29	twizt	gecko_x2:
16:29	twizt	you are so retarded
16:29	twizt	hes gave you instructions
16:30	twizt	and u followed them like a noob
16:30	azi`	was this guy verifed on otc?
16:30	twizt	lol
16:30	twizt	prolly didnt question anything
16:31	pankkake	he isn't registered, and he gets upset if you ask him to register
16:32	gecko_x2	http://pastebin.com/ze3Pm2mR
16:32	ozbot	[21:43:05] <Volvo39> hi - Volvo39 is 4faf593e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.175.8 - Pastebin.com
16:33	pankkake	also gets upset if you ask why he changes his nick all the time
16:33	Apocalyptic	it's the serbian dude right
16:34	Bunnyh	you asked "<gecko_x2> may i ask why you would want to do this instead of just buying the ltc on an exchange?" and then just accepted the bullshit answer
16:34	azi`	its easy to be smart now
16:36	TomServo	azi`: eh?
16:36	Bunnyh	i just don't understand why anyone would have to do btc/ltc trades outside of an exchange, and looks like gecko_x2 didn't either, but still accepted
16:37	gecko_x2	:(
16:38	azi`	yeah, too bad
		~ 17 minutes ~
16:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.07501835 = 0.4501 BTC [-] {4}
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0489999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
17:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00639998 = 0.2304 BTC [+]
17:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.00639999 = 2.0352 BTC [+]
17:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00649588 = 0.4742 BTC [+] {5}
17:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639998 = 1.28 BTC [-]
17:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00639998 = 0.64 BTC [-]
17:29	kakobrekla	ah well, part of learning process, mistakes that is.
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.62223306 = 5.6001 BTC [-] {6}
17:30	kakobrekla	with bitcoin, the sooner you go through it, the better.
17:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.6001 = 4.8008 BTC [-]
		~ 19 minutes ~
17:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58455 @ 0.00089508 = 52.3219 BTC [-] {4}
17:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02999905 = 0.12 BTC [+]
18:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.60342698 = 23.5337 BTC [+] {8}
18:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6 = 6 BTC [-]
18:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.54818464 = 18.0901 BTC [-] {11}
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.501 = 3.507 BTC [-]
18:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49785714 = 6.97 BTC [-] {3}
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00639998 = 0.7424 BTC [-] {2}
18:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22427 @ 0.00089682 = 20.113 BTC [+]
18:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0060001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {4}
18:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12790 @ 0.00089423 = 11.4372 BTC [-]
18:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.54899 = 8.7838 BTC [+]
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0057 = 0.1596 BTC [-] {3}
18:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54799999 = 1.096 BTC [-] {2}
18:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4488 @ 0.00089423 = 4.0133 BTC [-]
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [-]
18:34	herbijudlestoids	hmmm forgot to put a datestamp on my logger
18:34	herbijudlestoids	otherwise some interesting datapoints coming through already
18:36	kakobrekla	OMG ITS GOING TO CRASH
18:37	kakobrekla	anyway, i thought you went to the liquid markets?
18:37	herbijudlestoids	i do, like i said last night, just an idea that came to me then
18:40	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/CkJ5kA8 <-- here is a distribution of the overnight tick returns
18:40	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
18:40	herbijudlestoids	quite an interesting looking formation
18:43	kakobrekla	whats the x axis
18:43	herbijudlestoids	i log normalise the return between ticks
18:44	herbijudlestoids	x axis is the value of those returns
18:44	kakobrekla	return between ticks?
18:44	kakobrekla	you mean price difference?
18:44	herbijudlestoids	its the % return if you had invested in the asset at the tick
18:44	herbijudlestoids	(log normalised)
18:45	kakobrekla	hm
18:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0489999 = 0.196 BTC [+]
18:45	herbijudlestoids	its a pretty normal way to break the timeseries down in quantitative analysis, but usually at a lower resloution than per tick
18:46	herbijudlestoids	once i build up some data and refine my timestamping etc i will start to record 10 sec data from the ticks and then build all the lower resolutions from that high res feed
18:47	herbijudlestoids	so you can see, the distribution of daily returns or, the 10-tick volatility, etc
18:47	herbijudlestoids	also would like to figure out if there is a diurnal pattern in the assets
18:48	herbijudlestoids	i cant show you some of the other stuff iv grabbed because i didnt timestamp properly and R wont plot it nicely
18:49	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/29/5358664/us-government-blocks-students-in-iran-cuba-and-sudan-from-taking-free-online-classes-coursera
18:49	ozbot	US government blocks students in Iran, Cuba, and Sudan from taking free online classes | The Verge
18:50	herbijudlestoids	:/
18:58	herbijudlestoids	i need to write a script that will take the irc log output and automagic it into appropriately named, quantmod compatible mysql tables
18:58	herbijudlestoids	but after that i can think of all kinds of interesting things to look at
18:59	herbijudlestoids	futures curve, vols, trend, fundamentals, benchmark indices, etc
18:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.82985793 BTC to 19`249 shares, 61457 satoshi per share
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.87767096 BTC to 321`519 shares, 584 satoshi per share
19:05	herbijudlestoids	if i had say a year worth of EOD data could scatterplot daily returns against short term vols to see the relationship etc
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
19:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54699993 BTC [+]
19:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19322 @ 0.00089744 = 17.3403 BTC [+] {3}
19:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54699994 BTC [+]
19:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0056931 = 0.148 BTC [-] {3}
19:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 422 @ 0.00552412 = 2.3312 BTC [-] {15}
19:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0054 = 0.4212 BTC [-] {2}
19:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
19:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5448441 = 1.0897 BTC [+]
19:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.005338 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2}
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54484284 BTC [-]
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.54484311 = 2.1794 BTC [+] {4}
		~ 20 minutes ~
20:19	mircea_popescu	wait, so the guy got scammed ?!
20:25	Apocalyptic	by the almighty serbian scammer
20:25	asciilifeform	it takes two to 'scamgo.'
20:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.545 = 2.725 BTC [+]
20:26	mircea_popescu	iiiincredible.
20:27	mircea_popescu	so some dude just made more in half an hour than his room mate makes in a year.
20:27	mircea_popescu	thank you bitcoin community, you are really helping to make the world a better place.
20:30	KRS1	does a great job by helping the scum float to the top.
20:31	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg
20:31	mircea_popescu	"thanks for the gf, cya"
20:32	KRS1	Wonder where they just came home from.
20:32	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i made a quick graph from the data i logged last night, distribution of tick returns
20:32	herbijudlestoids	dunno if you saw it or not http://i.imgur.com/CkJ5kA8.png
20:32	mircea_popescu	i hadn't
20:32	herbijudlestoids	interesting skew formation
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.5469104 = 36.643 BTC [+] {2}
20:33	herbijudlestoids	not exactly a large sample size
20:33	herbijudlestoids	thats for MPOE
20:33	mircea_popescu	yeah kinda... not much there yet
20:34	herbijudlestoids	i refined some stuff this morning on examining the data and will write some scriptage tonight probly, all thanks to access to free data ;)
20:34	mircea_popescu	:)
20:34	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4827362#msg4827362 who is this guy anyway, is he here ?
20:34	ozbot	Ripped OFF by bitbet.us
20:34	mircea_popescu	kayser soze anyone ?
20:35	Apocalyptic	again some "bitbet scammed me" thread ?
20:35	kakobrekla	not scam as such.
20:36	mircea_popescu	"bitbet scammed me by sending my winnings to the address i paid from as i told it to"
20:36	mike_c	i figured that was one of your sock puppets. those scam threads are good for business :)
20:36	mircea_popescu	i never had sock puppets
20:36	mircea_popescu	i guess by now this is improbable, perhaps i'm the last one, but anyway, mpoe-pr is actually my only forum thing
20:37	mike_c	yeah. i was kidding. except about the good for business part.
20:37	mircea_popescu	i guess the original one was, but i doubt further roflcopter does anything really.
20:38	mircea_popescu	who knows.
20:40	mircea_popescu	sucks this can't really be a/b'd
20:47	herbijudlestoids	lunchtiem
20:47	herbijudlestoids	banh mih for $3.50 :)
20:48	mircea_popescu	i just did the math. the bitbet scammed me dude actually bet... about a dollar,
20:48	mircea_popescu	and lost about 0.7 cents to the low weight.
20:48	mircea_popescu	i wonder if the shills/socks are actually paid less than this to start threads/make posts.
20:49	mircea_popescu	he
20:49	mircea_popescu	s got like > 100 words in there.
20:49	mircea_popescu	the entire fucking forum is worth like fiddy bitcoin at these rates. all 500k threads of it.
20:50	herbijudlestoids	doesnt it say the bet was 0.011BTC? i.e. 0.011 * ~1000 ~= 11USD? or was this when the price was lower, he says it was when th eprice was higher lol
20:50	mircea_popescu	a wait you're right, i had a degree of magnitude off.
20:50	herbijudlestoids	bro u scamd me out of 11USD
20:50	mircea_popescu	he lost 7 cents to the low weight. i guess tis legitimate.
20:52	herbijudlestoids	most people are shit at betting and will lose their money anyway regardless of scams
20:52	mircea_popescu	some people make out alright
20:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15828 @ 0.00089436 = 14.1559 BTC [-]
21:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.028 = 0.168 BTC [-]
21:18	kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/1576267/plain/
21:20	kakobrekla	there is a lesson somewhere in there
21:20	kakobrekla	and yes, i am reading the fidonet email gateway faq
21:21	mircea_popescu	i regularly throw out bits of software or hardware whose function i don't understand.
21:21	mircea_popescu	not doing so is immoral in my view, so there.
21:28	Duffer1	I'm gonna make Hodor coin
21:28	Duffer1	brb
21:32	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/gallery/tpjF8Lj
21:32	ozbot	Swift kicks to the face at the Grammys - Imgur
21:34	Duffer1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4luHEVjqKA
21:34	ozbot	Taylor Swift Attacked at Grammys - YouTube
21:36	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm curious about the hardware
21:39	mircea_popescu	of all the various items around me right now, none carry labels, for instance.
21:41	asciilifeform	why would they be labeled?
21:41	pankkake	brands?
21:42	mircea_popescu	i have no idea.
21:42	mircea_popescu	but somehow it became fashionable of late.
21:43	asciilifeform	'intel inside' and 'designed for winblows' stickers look great on toilet tanks
21:43	asciilifeform	assuming you meant those
21:43	mircea_popescu	i mean everything, really.
21:44	asciilifeform	what's your answer to silkscreened print? 'dremel' ? or belt sander
21:45	mircea_popescu	i don't recall buying silkscreened shit any time recently.
21:45	asciilifeform	e.g. logo on mice, keyboards
21:46	Duffer1	"In your progress report of November 30th 2013 you stated "We have this last week shipped our first products to customers." - What product was shipped?"
21:46	Duffer1	Kslaughter: We shipped some accessories products to India.
21:46	kakobrekla	eh who cares for that shit
21:46	pankkake	lol
21:46	kakobrekla	as long as its not hugo boss
21:47	kakobrekla	im talking labels
21:47	mircea_popescu	my kbd came w/o a logo. so did the mouse.
21:47	kakobrekla	my brain ignores it
21:47	kakobrekla	just like i do not see assbot quotes any more
21:47	kakobrekla	they are there, i just dont see them
21:47	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I find sugar cubes work well removing silkscreen from hard plastics.
21:48	pankkake	keyboard has no logo but I want to replace the win keys by penguins or something. the mouse has a discreet logo… but I've seen the new version, the brand is illuminated :/ https://secure-b.vimeocdn.com/ts/132/730/132730099_640.jpg
21:49	mircea_popescu	i don't have a win key either.
21:49	kakobrekla	for example, i still have stickers on my lappy, yes they are ugly and yes couldnt care less
21:50	asciilifeform	i know of no decent keyboard with a winblows key
21:50	mircea_popescu	a laptop is another good example, all sorts of shit to excise in there.
21:50	pankkake	hm, you made me realize, I have environmentalist propaganda on my monitor
21:50	kakobrekla	you people are such girls.
21:50	pankkake	asciilifeform: http://webwit.nl/kbc60/1.jpg
21:50	mircea_popescu	nou
21:50	asciilifeform	a laptop remains 'satanic' regardless of what one might do to it
21:51	kakobrekla	girls i say.
21:51	Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4830999#msg4830999
21:51	ozbot	[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
21:51	herbijudlestoids	http://www.cogmed.com/working-memory-they-found-your-brain%E2%80%99s-spam-filter
21:51	Duffer1	^ ken's pretty much coming clean
21:51	asciilifeform	pankkake: 'happy hacking kbd' ?
21:51	asciilifeform	has no arrows or f keys either
21:51	asciilifeform	why anyone voluntarily uses those is beyond me
21:51	mircea_popescu	lmao the slaughter lol is still a thing ?!
21:51	pankkake	cheap chinese clone :)
21:51	herbijudlestoids	"Importantly, McNab and Klingberg found that the jump in activity levels in these areas was largest for high capacity individuals and smallest for low capacity individuals. That is, when told that they needed to filter, the high-capacity individuals ramped up activity in these brain regions to keep out irrelevant items. By contrast, the low-capacity individuals showed little additional activity in these areas when
21:52	Duffer1	it's lulzier than ever MP
21:52	pankkake	the fact that it's still a thing, and that the shareholder let it happen is sad :(
21:52	mircea_popescu	pankkake you need to re-read the log earlier.
21:52	Duffer1	poor gecko :(
21:53	mircea_popescu	" In September with bitcoins @ 140, with competition with 400 GH/s and 500 GH/s chips our machines would not ROI, so a decision was made that we would have to refund all of our pre-orders, so we did not commit a lot of our funds to building boards, we was also trying to get enough pre-orders to make our minimum lot with eASIC."
21:53	mircea_popescu	the september decision retrospectively made in january.
21:53	mircea_popescu	how did that go, "can't spell = scammer" ?
21:53	pankkake	asciilifeform: I don't like to move my hands, I'd rather use Fn+something. and vim hotkeys make arrow keys redundant
21:53	kakobrekla	hey i cant spell and im not .. a... nvm.
21:53	Duffer1	i like this bit: Ken mentioned additional hashrate came online in November, what machines were those?
21:53	Duffer1	CEX.IO
21:53	pankkake	kslaugther makes spelling error and weird Capitalizations
21:54	pankkake	errors
21:54	pankkake	in his sockpuppets also
21:54	mircea_popescu	well since scammers never die / "investors" are fucktarded, is inaba still a thing too ?
21:55	pankkake	Duffer1: wow at the cex.io stuff. that's… wow
21:55	kakobrekla	wait im not following all this
21:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0489999 = 0.392 BTC [+]
21:55	kakobrekla	its too complicated
21:55	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla speal bettur.
21:55	Duffer1	oh i'm sure inaba is still making the rounds at bitcoin conferences
21:55	kakobrekla	i cunt.
21:56	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a2c3801273c7e205aaa3fce2415bcc76/tumblr_miripmvKLR1ru15g3o1_500.jpg speaking of.
21:57	kakobrekla	pankkake why is cex shocking
21:57	kakobrekla	where is the wow
21:57	pankkake	the guy isn't supposed to trade company funds on that kind of stuff
21:57	pankkake	he's supposed to make miners
21:58	kakobrekla	a, that little part.
21:58	pankkake	it made billions of posts speculating on sample chips and the guy said nothing for months
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00086 = 0.258 BTC [+]
21:58	Duffer1	looks like he did what labcoin did, spent ipo money on retail gear to fake progress on their own proprietary stuff, then lied about it, a lot
21:58	asciilifeform	pankkake: no pg-up/down keys either. do you also wear a barrel instead of clothing?
21:58	mircea_popescu	d'oh.
21:58	kakobrekla	so fury got the money on the end.
21:58	kakobrekla	well done
21:59	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he's french. they evolved past clothing, they just wear their hair.
21:59	Duffer1	lol
21:59	pankkake	page up/down is a bit frustrating, though for vim and firefox I use other keys
22:00	pankkake	well I am hairy, pretty much a caveman
22:01	asciilifeform	pankkake: you can carry the happyhacking thing to its logical conclusion:
22:01	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html
22:01	ozbot	MwEmu
22:01	asciilifeform	6 keys.
22:01	pankkake	I've been wanting to try similar things
22:01	pankkake	there's also a sort of glove where each finger can move in a direction
22:01	asciilifeform	you can try it right there
22:02	mircea_popescu	should be on left hand
22:02	mircea_popescu	so he can still jack off
22:03	pankkake	I am left handed
22:03	mircea_popescu	a nm then
22:03	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: doug engelbart's original chorder was left-hand.
22:03	asciilifeform	or rather, symmetrical, but intended for left hand.
22:03	asciilifeform	right hand held his (original!) mouse
22:03	asciilifeform	and a kbd in the middle, for times when it couldn't be avoided.
22:04	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/mw/motd_ui.jpg
22:05	asciilifeform	full turd here:
22:05	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861
22:05	ozbot	Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin
22:05	Duffer1	the forums are on fire tonight https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439399.0
22:05	kakobrekla	look, no branding.
22:05	kakobrekla	great for girls.
22:06	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: if i recall, he machined those
22:06	asciilifeform	perhaps true masters ought to make their own i/o devices.
22:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 508 @ 0.00083145 = 0.4224 BTC [-] {2}
22:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00089432 = 17.0815 BTC [-] {2}
22:07	asciilifeform	i would have built my own keyboard long ago, if i had any way to produce the key caps.
22:07	asciilifeform	other components (buckling springs, controller, chassis) can be sourced or laser cut
22:08	asciilifeform	but key caps, afaik, must be injection-molded to be of any usable quality.
22:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00089423 = 0.9837 BTC [-]
22:08	asciilifeform	likewise the shafts in which they move
22:08	kakobrekla	cant you scavage them?
22:08	asciilifeform	(tolerance ~0.1mm, like a rifle chamber)
22:09	asciilifeform	if you scavenge, you're stuck with the original key labels
22:09	asciilifeform	and yes, who doesn't own a fat sack full of 'model M' key caps
22:09	kakobrekla	you dont need a fat sack for yourself do you
22:10	mircea_popescu	so hire a secretary, make her type random strings for half a year
22:10	asciilifeform	sure ya do. when one's in the wash.
22:10	mircea_popescu	cheap chinese caps, the paint wears off
22:10	asciilifeform	injection-molded. 1982, still going strong.
22:10	asciilifeform	the black is the inner plastic.
22:10	mircea_popescu	o those
22:10	mircea_popescu	weird fucking plastic, the white shit too. bachelite or something
22:11	asciilifeform	re: secretary: why would you do that to your springs.
22:11	asciilifeform	if i ever do make a keyboard, i'll probably machine the mechanicals from aluminum.
22:11	kakobrekla	well so you need 2
22:12	kakobrekla	still not a fat sack
22:12	asciilifeform	if doing something, might as well do it right
22:12	pankkake	http://web.archive.org/web/20070114050531/http://tim.griffins.ca/gallery/keyboard/DataHand.html found it!
22:12	ozbot	Alternative Keyboard Gallery: DataHand Keyboard
22:12	mircea_popescu	well then machine them from rhenium
22:12	kakobrekla	good for startrek remake
22:12	mircea_popescu	glow in the dark!
22:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you can machine pyrophorics in your kitchen, i'll pass.
22:13	mircea_popescu	:D
22:14	asciilifeform	no room in 'garconierre' for argon tanks.
22:15	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/gallery/uyiRuTZ
22:15	ozbot	The White house slogan - Imgur
22:15	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229438.msg4819875#msg4819875
22:15	ozbot	[OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
22:15	mircea_popescu	split ?
22:17	mircea_popescu	also, check it out : usagi teh hero. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg4830292#msg4830292
22:17	pankkake	yeah… :|
22:17	pankkake	but still, Deprived disappeared
22:19	kakobrekla	he took with off wit the monies?
22:19	kakobrekla	im so out of the loop.
22:19	Apocalyptic	i'm too
22:19	mircea_popescu	a while back.
22:19	kakobrekla	how much?
22:19	Apocalyptic	I considered him as one of the more legit guys out there
22:19	Duffer1	he hasn't been since late november
22:20	kakobrekla	i mean
22:20	kakobrekla	how much did he get away with
22:20	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic so did i, until i offered him i don't remember what and he got all shady and shy.
22:20	mircea_popescu	at which point i stopped.
22:21	Apocalyptic	hum
22:21	ThickAsThieves	i voice-chatted with him once
22:21	ThickAsThieves	cheerful brit
22:22	ThickAsThieves	he had plans for more products
22:22	kakobrekla	somali using britafy app
22:22	mircea_popescu	part of the problem is that all the irresponsible gecko shit going around puts a lot of stress on otherwise honest people, i wager.
22:22	ThickAsThieves	odd he took off
22:22	pankkake	unless he got hit by a bus
22:22	ThickAsThieves	technically,
22:22	Duffer1	ya i don't think anyone saw that one coming
22:22	kakobrekla	that bus or?
22:22	ThickAsThieves	he said he wouldnt post til he had something to post
22:22	ThickAsThieves	and nothing has changed yet
22:23	ThickAsThieves	ciphertrade is not open yet, which is where he intended to do biz
22:23	mircea_popescu	what, THAT still a thing ?
22:23	ThickAsThieves	yep
22:23	kakobrekla	but whoresandstuff.com is open
22:23	Duffer1	he's also on CT board and probably an investor in it
22:23	kakobrekla	he can list there
22:23	mircea_popescu	dude, are these muppets investing in bcst or w/e still ?
22:23	ThickAsThieves	they are in "open beta"
22:25	Duffer1	ciphertrade, for better or worse (much worse), is the next batter to step up to the plate
22:25	kakobrekla	link?
22:25	ThickAsThieves	batter, like the kind you put on chicken
22:25	mircea_popescu	lol pancakes!
22:27	Duffer1	kako https://beta.ciphertrade.com/
22:27	Duffer1	and the discussion thread https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=7176.0
22:28	kakobrekla	and the ops are in merrica rite?
22:28	Duffer1	london mainly
22:28	Duffer1	or there abouts
22:28	kakobrekla	at least that.
22:28	Apocalyptic	hum, they seem to be doing LTC/BTC and XPM/BTC too
22:29	Dimsler_	lol
22:29	Duffer1	i believe they plan assets + currency exchange
22:29	Dimsler_	all these exchanges popping
22:29	kakobrekla	pooping?
22:29	Apocalyptic	^
22:29	Dimsler_	oh yeah those look totally legit
22:29	Dimsler_	let me send 100btc
22:29	kakobrekla	SEE I CAN SPELL AFTER ALL
22:30	Apocalyptic	you can turn off caps lock too
22:30	mircea_popescu	* kakobrekla casts a slanderous spell upon the happy investoland
22:30	Dimsler_	these guys are retards
22:30	Dimsler_	not using any exchanges based in an OECD country
22:30	Apocalyptic	that's kinda extremist
22:31	Duffer1	i'm just the messenger, please don't shoot
22:31	Diablo-D3	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7148723
22:31	kakobrekla	it only works if you belive it mp
22:31	Diablo-D3	everyone upvote this
22:31	Dimsler_	yeah talk to some mtgox guys
22:31	Dimsler_	then
22:31	ThickAsThieves	the deprived mining copycat thing on Havelock appears to be almost open for trading
22:31	Dimsler_	if you think its extremist
22:31	mircea_popescu	so basically this leaves... romania ?
22:31	kakobrekla	slovenia
22:31	mircea_popescu	japan is in the oecd
22:31	mircea_popescu	slovenia doesn't exist.
22:31	Dimsler_	lol slovenia is a spit on the map
22:32	Dimsler_	bunch of clowns who can't get along
22:32	kakobrekla	yeah and kayman islands are twice the size of merrica
22:32	mircea_popescu	see ? kant spell cayman
22:32	Diablo-D3	its a tool to detect if your vps company is lying to you
22:32	kakobrekla	we
22:32	Dimsler_	well the carribean is all false as well
22:32	Dimsler_	if you want real security you need something like hongkong
22:32	mircea_popescu	also cant spell vhatewer
22:32	Dimsler_	where if the US authorities call they hang up the phone
22:33	mircea_popescu	and chinese ?
22:33	Dimsler_	actually best plac eis probably russia
22:33	Dimsler_	no extradition treaty
22:33	Dimsler_	low income tax on high gains
22:33	kakobrekla	no russia, slovenia.
22:34	Dimsler_	man i'm not going anywhere near yugoslavia
22:34	Dimsler_	those people are fucked in the head
22:34	kakobrekla	....
22:34	mircea_popescu	was slovenia in the old yugoslavia ?!
22:34	Dimsler_	croatia is nice for a coast line vacation
22:34	kakobrekla	was it not!?
22:34	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: things, my company is making them https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439618.new :)
22:34	asciilifeform	detecting VM is very, very easy.
22:34	Dimsler_	mircea_popescu, you might be confused with slovakia
22:35	mircea_popescu	they're different ?!
22:35	Dimsler_	lol quit trolling
22:35	kakobrekla	fuck all of you.
22:35	Dimsler_	slovakia has nice driving roads
22:35	mircea_popescu	Azelphur what exactly are you doing there ?
22:36	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aww you know we love you
22:36	Apocalyptic	slovakia ftw
22:36	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: title is technical director, basically I do web dev / anything tech I can do, while being a big-ass cash cow.
22:36	Dimsler_	bitex is a cash cow?
22:36	Dimsler_	lol
22:36	mircea_popescu	so basicallyh you're being the sucker in this deal.
22:36	Azelphur	no, I am xD
22:36	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hopefully not ;)
22:36	mircea_popescu	who told that aldur derp that december 2012 qualifies as "long term" ?
22:37	Dimsler_	listen guys
22:37	Dimsler_	we nee da new MLM
22:37	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I've known him way longer
22:37	Dimsler_	now that everyone forgot about pirate
22:37	Azelphur	we've been friends (irl) for years
22:37	asciilifeform	https://github.com/kaniini/slabbed-or-not sucks, easily defeated.
22:37	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129961.msg1394808#msg1394808
22:37	mircea_popescu	stupidest first post in history of stupid first posts.
22:37	mircea_popescu	but anyway, gl etc.
22:38	Dimsler_	lol the bitcoin foundation is dangerous
22:38	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: haha, he's finance not technology :)
22:38	Dimsler_	i'm worried about the doing something stupid like blacklisting address'
22:38	Azelphur	so he thinks in terms of the financial industry :)
22:38	Dimsler_	dangerous group of people
22:38	mircea_popescu	Azelphur he's clueless. https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2Ft1%2F264557_227871904003610_1955021226_n.jpg&t=536&c=G_exZJuL6gxbpQ << srsly ?!
22:38	asciilifeform	Dimsler_: the sooner the phoundation 'shoots itself' in the head, rather than in the foot as usual, the better.
22:39	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: perhaps, but our FPGA engineer isn't (I picked the engineer myself)
22:39	Dimsler_	well in the end i don't really give a shit what happens in america
22:39	Dimsler_	since its a small and insignificant place
22:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, no, its current zombie/laughingstock state is useful. much like the power rangers.
22:39	mircea_popescu	they absorb shocks
22:39	Dimsler_	lol
22:39	Dimsler_	well they dragged shrem away
22:39	Dimsler_	for loundering
22:39	Dimsler_	er laundering
22:39	Dimsler_	which the charges themselves are hilarious
22:39	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: can't get much more skilled than this, no? http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/glendon-klassen/87/5b4/30 ;)
22:39	mircea_popescu	Azelphur alright, just bear it foremost in your mind that a bunch of people ended up swindled to lend their credence to idiotic nonprojects by random wanna-be "experts" to date.
22:40	mircea_popescu	so don't become another.
22:40	Dimsler_	oh you guys
22:40	Dimsler_	i love this new idiot
22:40	Dimsler_	vitalik
22:40	Dimsler_	or whatever
22:40	Dimsler_	the bitcoin magazine clown
22:40	mircea_popescu	he's by no means new.
22:40	Dimsler_	well in 2012 he was buying btc off my exchange
22:40	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yea, I realise that, and it's something I worry about, but I am heavily involved, and I have sunk a lot of time and money into it
22:40	ThickAsThieves	he's not an idiot, he's a "hacker"
22:40	Dimsler_	lol hes new to me
22:40	mircea_popescu	Azelphur these are not considerations.
22:40	Dimsler_	vitalik is a moron
22:40	Azelphur	so hopefully all will go well :)
22:40	Dimsler_	that has no idea about economics or cryptography
22:41	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: oh, you know we already have functional hardware right? :P
22:41	Dimsler_	Azelphur, take your fucking scam else where
22:41	mircea_popescu	that's fine, but the amount of time/effort sunk into anything has no bearing. you drop a hand of cards when you know they can't win, not when you're comfortable with how much you threw into the pot.
22:41	kakobrekla	that dude has "webdev" on his linkedin. -10 internet points.
22:41	mircea_popescu	Dimsler_ what's with you anyway
22:41	Apocalyptic	Dimsler_, http://ethereum.org/
22:41	Apocalyptic	his new project
22:41	Dimsler_	lol sorry
22:41	Dimsler_	i'm hating today
22:42	kakobrekla	Dimsler_ serbia is hating back
22:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.004072 = 0.1018 BTC [-] {3}
22:42	ThickAsThieves	there'll never be a bitcoin 2.0 because all the cries of wolf
22:42	Dimsler_	i saw the ethereum project, its got more holes then the block of swiss cheese in my fridge
22:42	Azelphur	Dimsler_: haha, with my otc rep, it'd have to be one hell of a long con
22:42	mircea_popescu	o so i get it now, slovenia is not slovakia because it is in fact the other name for serbia ?
22:42	Apocalyptic	^
22:42	Dimsler_	i could use a vacation in croatia
22:43	kakobrekla	is this how is going to end? country trolling?
22:43	mircea_popescu	Azelphur that's not the point, the point is that you wouldn't be the first guy used for his rep.
22:43	Dimsler_	the french riveria got expensive lately
22:43	Dimsler_	cause the euro got raped
22:43	Dimsler_	er
22:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15833 @ 0.00089401 = 14.1549 BTC [-] {2}
22:43	Dimsler_	usd to euro rape
22:43	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yea, I agree, it's a risk.
22:43	mircea_popescu	anyway.
22:43	asciilifeform	altera cyclone V GX
22:43	Dimsler_	Azelphur, list on mpex so we can pump and dump it?
22:43	asciilifeform	max ALUs - 113,560
22:43	Azelphur	Dimsler_: haha :)
22:44	asciilifeform	max clock: 550MHz
22:44	asciilifeform	http://www.altera.com/literature/hb/cyclone-v/cv_51001.pdf
22:44	asciilifeform	tell us again about 10GH/sec SHA256.
22:44	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I reckon we'll do fine though, at the end of the day we have the thing and it's hashing right now, so we've already won really
22:44	Azelphur	even if 0 preorders and nobody buys, we'll just mine on it and laugh.
22:45	Dimsler_	why don't you just mine on it now
22:45	mircea_popescu	so if you already have the thing and it hashes why is your "finance industry" pal posting stuff david thorpe designed ?
22:45	Azelphur	Dimsler_: we are
22:45	mircea_popescu	thorne*
22:45	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: posting pictures of an altera dev kit is hardly amazing/interesting
22:45	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:46	kakobrekla	^^
22:46	kakobrekla	assbot has it
22:46	asciilifeform	speaking of which,
22:46	asciilifeform	http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=167&No=830
22:46	mircea_popescu	according to who, the finance industry ? cmon.
22:46	Azelphur	but you do have a point, I could get our FPGA guy to post some stuff
22:46	Azelphur	yea, I'll bug him about it :P
22:46	asciilifeform	$180.
22:46	mircea_popescu	anything is better than a 640px wide picture of six green lines
22:46	asciilifeform	for anyone who has these same fit-ten-pounds-of-shit-in-a-five-pound-bag skillz.
22:47	mircea_popescu	Azelphur so your product you've won with is a fpga ?!
22:47	asciilifeform	'those who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense.'
22:47	kakobrekla	100 btc aint gonna make asics
22:47	kakobrekla	not yet at least.
22:47	Dimsler_	lol
22:47	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: seems so, ain't many decent FPGAs out there for altcoins
22:47	Azelphur	seemed like a good niche
22:48	mircea_popescu	aha.
22:48	Dimsler_	alt coins suck
22:48	Dimsler_	theres no prize for second place ok
22:48	Dimsler_	charles lee knows this first hand
22:48	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: and hopefully won't get me thrown in jail, haha
22:48	mircea_popescu	Dimsler_ actually miners may make a buck out of all the retarded kids who think a bigger number of coins is better.
22:48	Dimsler_	mmm 81 million litecoins
22:49	Dimsler_	must have cryptocurrncy with billions of coins
22:49	mircea_popescu	then they can get scammed out of fiddy billion coins at a time instead of .5
22:50	Duffer1	azelphur so your target is sha256 altcoin miners?
22:50	Azelphur	Duffer1: hell no, the sha256 is mostly for shits and giggles
22:50	Azelphur	the main targets are scrypt and prime
22:50	Duffer1	BitEx M2 coin?
22:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.59993737 = 4.7995 BTC [+] {4}
22:51	kakobrekla	<Duffer1> azelphur so your target is sha256 altcoin miners?
22:51	kakobrekla	all sha alts can be mined on asic afaik
22:51	Dimsler_	alt currencies = modern day boiler room
22:51	Dimsler_	like i get satoshi premining himself the 1mil in coins
22:52	Dimsler_	because he deserved something for the smart scheme
22:52	Duffer1	ya kako lol that's what i was trying to point out :P
22:52	Dimsler_	but charles lee is just a fag that offers nothing
22:52	Dimsler_	same applies to the rest of the crypto alt clowns premining themselves coins
22:52	mircea_popescu	Dimsler_ he didn't even premine it.
22:52	Dimsler_	yeah i know
22:52	Dimsler_	lol
22:52	Azelphur	Duffer1: our number theory guy really wanted to try his hand at a new alt :)
22:52	Azelphur	and baring in mind he's pretty much perfectly qualified (number theory / fpga) it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with
22:53	Duffer1	tell him to be honest with himself and just name it Hodor Coin
22:53	Azelphur	:P
22:53	Dimsler_	lol new alt
22:53	Azelphur	I can probably drag him in here, if ya'll are interested.
22:53	Dimsler_	no
22:53	Duffer1	that would be fascinating
22:53	Dimsler_	no it would not quit trolling the guy
22:54	Azelphur	lol
22:55	Duffer1	what's the six month plan for bitex?
22:55	Dimsler_	its the i'll take all your money and in six months i'll be gone plan
22:56	asciilifeform	recipe for those disinclined to be chumped: 1) read published (3 yrs +) verilog src for sha256. 2) build. 3) see minimum gate count for unrolled hasher 4) laugh
22:56	Apocalyptic	seriously Dimsler_ wtf
22:56	asciilifeform	and this is the ideal figure - does not include memory controller, scrypt crap...
22:58	Azelphur	Duffer1: get the FPGAs out, work on new cores, we're also thinking of doing some bitcoin commerce
22:58	Azelphur	Dimsler_: would be hard considering there's no way to give us your money yet ;)
22:58	kakobrekla	its like all in one shaman stop
22:59	Duffer1	bitcoin commerce?
22:59	Dimsler_	kakobrekla, lol
23:00	Azelphur	Duffer1: yea, ie setting up a reasonably well stocked computer store
23:00	Azelphur	there doesn't seem to be anyone doing that in UK
23:00	Dimsler_	now a computer store?
23:00	Dimsler_	honestly great buisness plan
23:01	Apocalyptic	"this will be our temporary home while we setup our IRC server", Azelphur why would you setup your own IRC server for 1 channel ?
23:01	Azelphur	that's one of my things I'd like to work on in the future, he asked for the 6 month plan, which goes beyond the FPGA ;)
23:01	Azelphur	Apocalyptic: that'd be Oliver not listening to me again when I told him no IRC server
23:01	Azelphur	he fails at listening sometimes :(
23:01	Apocalyptic	sounds like a waste of time to setup and manage it
23:01	Azelphur	yup
23:02	Azelphur	and an annoyance to the users
23:02	Azelphur	it won't happen, it'll stay on freenode :P
23:02	Duffer1	freenode4life
23:02	Azelphur	^
23:02	Apocalyptic	*4lyfe
23:02	Dimsler_	lol
23:02	Dimsler_	goo efnet
23:04	Dimsler_	Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
23:04	Dimsler_	- Mark Twain
23:04	Duffer1	dimsler_ what's your exchange?
23:05	Dimsler_	i run a locablbitcoins one
23:06	Duffer1	ah
23:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7612 @ 0.00089445 = 6.8086 BTC [+]
23:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3261 @ 0.00089601 = 2.9219 BTC [+]
23:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
23:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
23:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
23:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [+]
23:27	Apocalyptic	<Ken`> Vitalik Buterin?
23:27	Apocalyptic	<jcorgan> yes
23:27	Apocalyptic	<Ken`> yep.. he seems smart
23:27	Apocalyptic	derp
23:28	Dimsler_	LOL
23:28	Dimsler_	let me eat there lunches for them
23:31	kakobrekla	;;later tell mircea_popescu you got a point, I remove the logo from bitbet completely, agreed?
23:31	gribble	The operation succeeded.
23:34	ThickAsThieves	remove the "got milk" at least
23:34	Diablo-D3	>vitalik buterin
23:34	Diablo-D3	why does he sound like a russian dietary supplement
23:34	ThickAsThieves	a man with a dreams
23:35	kakobrekla	but milk is not a scammer
23:35	Dimsler_	lol hes like amir taaki
23:35	Dimsler_	sold all his btc for a pizza
23:35	Dimsler_	aren't thye both now squating in some slum in spain?
23:35	Dimsler_	pretending that dark wallet is going to come out of alpha?
23:36	kakobrekla	amir sold btc for pizza?
23:36	Dimsler_	no it was a joke
23:36	herbijudlestoids	http://boingboing.net/2014/01/29/key-3d-printing-patent-expired.html
23:36	Dimsler_	but he got out early
23:36	ozbot	Key 3D printing patent expired yesterday - Boing Boing
23:36	Dimsler_	at like $5
23:36	Dimsler_	so did vitalik
23:36	kakobrekla	really?
23:36	Dimsler_	i believe vitalik admitted to buying tshirts
23:36	Dimsler_	yes
23:36	Dimsler_	both of those clowns are broke
23:37	Dimsler_	both junkies too
23:37	Dimsler_	watch there hilarious youtube vids man, amir taaki has the shakes
23:37	kakobrekla	i know his vids.
23:37	kakobrekla	too much.
23:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00089667 = 8.2494 BTC [+]
23:48	diametric	herbijudlestoids: I wouldn't really call that a key patent.
23:48	diametric	that article is poorly written too.
23:48	diametric	The SLS process has nothing to do with the cost of nylon (or any) powders..
23:48	diametric	Thats like saying the patent on Ford engines has increased the cost of gasoline.

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