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01:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00333 = 0.4962 BTC [-] {3}
01:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00348997 = 0.4188 BTC [+] {2}
01:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0909995 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}
01:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00333 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2}
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00080948 = 28.9389 BTC [-] {2}
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37005 @ 0.00081093 = 30.0085 BTC [+]
01:31 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/
01:31 ozbot An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog
01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00080735 = 45.2923 BTC [-] {4}
01:43 KRS1 .bait
01:43 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/0ca88e524f2463725ceaeac331d25aa9/tumblr_msufbwEiAp1qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg
01:43 KRS1 per-fect
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03:37 dub !ticker mp s.mpoe
03:37 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079084 / 0.0008372 / 0.00087133 (1436246 shares, 1,202.44 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086275 / 0.0008865 (7303643 shares, 6,301.26 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086336 / 0.0008982 (30334850 shares, 26,190.02 BTC)
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04:56 jurov ;;prevdiffchange
04:56 gribble 11.38694
05:01 BingoBoingo .d
05:01 ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1964 blocks | Estimated Change: 29.2943% in 9d 15h 15m 43s
05:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0001509 = 0.1207 BTC [+]
05:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00080065 = 30.5048 BTC [+] {2}
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06:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07 = 2.45 BTC [+]
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00079505 = 23.613 BTC [+] {2}
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06:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00079543 = 11.4303 BTC [+]
06:49 mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way.
06:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:51 mircea_popescu also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire.
06:51 mircea_popescu that's not how it's done.
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07:07 mircea_popescu "2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store."
07:07 mircea_popescu lol.
07:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D
07:15 mircea_popescu "great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up.
07:16 mircea_popescu if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished...
07:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40180 @ 0.00079543 = 31.9604 BTC [+]
07:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3953 @ 0.00079552 = 3.1447 BTC [+] {2}
07:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.039735 = 0.2384 BTC [-] {3}
07:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09199956 = 0.46 BTC [+] {3}
07:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable.
07:37 BingoBoingo Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often
07:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00079551 = 18.8934 BTC [-] {2}
07:51 MisterE_ http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1
07:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ?
07:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.0036 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {6}
08:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0038391 = 0.4952 BTC [+] {6}
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08:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58000015 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}
08:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]
08:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26715 @ 0.0007951 = 21.2411 BTC [-] {3}
08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0185001 = 0.185 BTC [+]
08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00079618 = 18.0335 BTC [+]
08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00079795 = 41.4136 BTC [+] {3}
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08:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00079879 = 7.9879 BTC [+]
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08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0925 = 0.2775 BTC [+]
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7039 @ 0.00079887 = 5.6232 BTC [+]
09:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30346 @ 0.00080071 = 24.2983 BTC [+]
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09:25 VanCleef hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation
09:29 jurov VanCleef: bitcoin, half a year ago?
09:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}
09:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00595 = 0.1071 BTC [-]
09:36 jurov: bitcoin, 3 years ago
09:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00374994 = 0.6112 BTC [+] {4}
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09:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.00379598 = 1.1426 BTC [+] {2}
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00386798 = 0.4332 BTC [+] {3}
09:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0404 = 0.1212 BTC [+]
09:55 bitcoinpete ;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback!
09:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:55 mircea_popescu yee.
09:55 Neil mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet?
09:56 mircea_popescu well, to split your q up in answerable bits,
09:57 mircea_popescu i'm a reputed workaholic (also see http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/#footnote_2_51568 )
09:57 mircea_popescu also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows.
09:58 Neil I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know.
09:58 Neil You robot or sthg?
09:59 mircea_popescu lol
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00387499 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {4}
10:01 Neil In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk.
10:02 ThickAsThieves dont forget coinbr exists
10:02 Neil I've had enough of 3rd parties
10:02 mircea_popescu you can just use a broker.
10:02 mircea_popescu or w/e, be a broker
10:02 ThickAsThieves not all 3rd parties are created equally
10:03 Neil Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess.
10:03 mircea_popescu Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way.
10:03 mircea_popescu bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market.
10:04 mircea_popescu bitcoin is about encouraging people to create.
10:04 Neil Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history
10:04 mircea_popescu which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself.
10:04 mircea_popescu jump to default ?
10:04 Neil Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more
10:05 Neil mp: well done
10:05 mircea_popescu i didn't dop anything lol
10:05 mircea_popescu anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context.
10:05 Neil Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better.
10:06 Neil mp: plz elaborate
10:06 mircea_popescu well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/
10:06 Neil impressed by the speed at random linking
10:07 mircea_popescu but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor,
10:07 mircea_popescu with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988)
10:07 mircea_popescu but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively.
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
10:07 mircea_popescu because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway
10:08 mircea_popescu (which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why)
10:08 mircea_popescu so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything.
10:08 mircea_popescu i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything!
10:08 Neil Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it.
10:08 mircea_popescu imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it
10:09 mircea_popescu could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely.
10:09 mircea_popescu people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything.
10:09 mircea_popescu but that's you.
10:09 mircea_popescu the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all.
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0925 = 0.185 BTC [+]
10:10 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that.
10:10 mircea_popescu this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house.
10:10 blackwhite morning gents
10:10 mircea_popescu the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing.
10:10 Neil It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious?
10:11 mircea_popescu new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer.
10:11 Neil They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else
10:11 mircea_popescu on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders".
10:11 mircea_popescu so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual.
10:11 mircea_popescu all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons
10:12 mircea_popescu then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated :
10:12 nubbins` email?!
10:12 mircea_popescu if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it.
10:12 nubbins` o.
10:12 mircea_popescu if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc.
10:12 mircea_popescu so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners.
10:12 mircea_popescu what happened ?
10:13 Neil the fittest survived? the rest got eaten.
10:13 mircea_popescu ;;google caritas ponzo
10:13 gribble Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme>; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: <http://www.loc.gov/folklife/civilrights/survey/view_collection.php?coll_id=2696>; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: <http://www.concordiadiscors.eu/assets/BR_Turin1.pdf>
10:13 mircea_popescu "Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point."
10:14 mircea_popescu this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure.
10:15 mircea_popescu while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people.
10:15 mircea_popescu moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from.
10:15 mircea_popescu which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort"
10:16 Neil mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc.
10:16 mircea_popescu in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed.
10:16 mircea_popescu a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal.
10:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3138 @ 0.00014701 = 0.4613 BTC [-] {4}
10:17 mircea_popescu Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine.
10:17 Neil OK, so what led you down your path?
10:18 mircea_popescu what led me ?!
10:18 mircea_popescu nothing leads me dood, i lead it.
10:18 Neil cmon my meaning is clear
10:18 mircea_popescu maybe to you.
10:19 Neil What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe
10:19 mircea_popescu uh.
10:19 jurov Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told
10:19 mircea_popescu what, you actually think that's how it works ?
10:19 jurov and just had to find out on my own
10:19 jurov it's not complicated
10:20 Neil mp: don't understand how your qn relates
10:20 mircea_popescu Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences.
10:20 mircea_popescu if it were, education'd be trivial.
10:21 mircea_popescu just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be
10:21 TomServo mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there.
10:22 nubbins` controllable, no
10:22 mircea_popescu TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge.
10:22 nubbins` influenced by, sure, if you let it
10:22 mircea_popescu nubbins` well what's that do.
10:22 TomServo You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF
10:23 mircea_popescu sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process.
10:23 TomServo specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United
10:23 TomServo States.”
10:23 mircea_popescu but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first.
10:23 Neil jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right
10:23 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
10:23 Neil context to think about it.
10:23 nubbins` fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive
10:23 nubbins` but being receptive? well, that's your job
10:23 mircea_popescu TomServo yeah. it kinda was.
10:24 TomServo also: And the dynamism
10:24 TomServo embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.
10:24 Neil mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect.
10:24 mircea_popescu Neil money is a transcendent you know.
10:24 mircea_popescu there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important.
10:24 mircea_popescu Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story.
10:25 mircea_popescu TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point.
10:25 mircea_popescu i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care.
10:25 nubbins` scary place
10:26 nubbins` everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through
10:26 mircea_popescu see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk.
10:27 mircea_popescu they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly
10:27 mircea_popescu each a little emperor on his little lump of coal
10:27 mircea_popescu that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse
10:27 Neil So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English).
10:27 mircea_popescu by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life.
10:27 mircea_popescu so the whole thing can go africa quite easily.
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00080012 = 38.1257 BTC [-]
10:28 ughlol Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors!
10:28 mircea_popescu ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so.
10:28 Neil Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think.
10:29 ughlol Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand.
10:29 Apocalyptic "Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true
10:29 jurov ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises?
10:29 Neil Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system.
10:30 ughlol jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me?
10:30 mircea_popescu ughlol see either http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on
10:30 mircea_popescu which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly.
10:30 Neil Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off.
10:31 ughlol thanks mircea_popescu
10:31 mircea_popescu Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism.
10:31 jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too
10:31 ozbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?
10:31 Neil But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper.
10:31 ughlol not a bitcoin business
10:31 mircea_popescu bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power.
10:31 ughlol But a social network. Im looking for investment.
10:31 mircea_popescu i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history.
10:31 jurov ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it *is* one
10:32 ughlol oh, I see.
10:32 ughlol ok
10:32 ughlol WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/
10:33 jurov ;;gettrust ughlol
10:33 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never
10:33 jurov ^ no, this one
10:33 ughlol Oh i see.
10:33 ughlol Im on localbitcoins.com
10:33 ughlol I have quite some good rep there.
10:33 mircea_popescu how the shit was that app facebook bought called ?
10:33 mircea_popescu i can't even remember it ;/
10:33 nubbins` whats app?
10:33 mircea_popescu a ty
10:34 nubbins` i had an app that let you send sms messages via email
10:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00385 = 0.181 BTC [-]
10:34 nubbins` stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;(
10:34 ughlol And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :)
10:34 nubbins` well. "stole" is a bit much
10:34 Neil mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy
10:34 Neil a beer.
10:34 mircea_popescu but... stability.
10:34 nubbins` ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places
10:35 mircea_popescu a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ?
10:35 ughlol Oh, I see.
10:35 mircea_popescu that's something.
10:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386999 = 0.7895 BTC [+] {5}
10:35 ughlol And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing?
10:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.0038704 = 0.2284 BTC [+] {2}
10:36 Neil maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment.
10:36 Neil perhaps I misunderstand
10:37 Neil The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature.
10:37 ughlol wow
10:37 ughlol mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post
10:37 mircea_popescu yw
10:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387 = 0.387 BTC [-]
10:38 mircea_popescu ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot.
10:38 ughlol Im not known here
10:38 ughlol but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit
10:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00387 = 0.1935 BTC [-]
10:41 mircea_popescu yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ?
10:41 mircea_popescu so you'll have to somehow bridge these.
10:41 ughlol I agree.
10:42 ughlol But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to.
10:42 ughlol And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well.
10:42 jurov just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep
10:44 jurov wot is not meant for -otc trading only
10:44 ughlol oh
10:44 ughlol i see
10:44 chetty sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here
10:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5860002 BTC [-]
10:45 ughlol Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :)
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00080012 = 2.9212 BTC [-]
10:46 Neil ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work
10:46 mircea_popescu ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea".
10:47 ughlol of course there is
10:50 ughlol imho
10:50 ughlol nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore
10:51 ughlol and that sucks
10:52 ughlol :(
10:52 ughlol Looks like I'll never get investment for anything
10:52 ughlol Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job.
10:55 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/
10:55 ozbot Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00345783 = 1.3831 BTC [-] {9}
10:55 mircea_popescu ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated.
10:55 ughlol mircea_popescu: is that for me?
10:55 mircea_popescu nah.
10:55 mircea_popescu i jhust finished it.
10:55 ughlol mircea_popescu: constructive approach how?
10:56 mircea_popescu as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well.
10:56 mircea_popescu finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station.
10:56 ughlol I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype.
10:57 mircea_popescu try understanding this part : nobody cares.
10:57 ughlol Yeah
10:57 mircea_popescu the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive.
10:58 ughlol I agree :(
10:58 ughlol and thats just so sad
10:58 mircea_popescu why is it sad ?
10:58 mircea_popescu i happen to think it's great.
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]
10:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199 @ 0.00080012 = 0.1592 BTC [-]
10:58 ughlol Its sad for people that want to do something but cant
10:58 mircea_popescu fuck them ?
10:58 mircea_popescu tell me, do you like girls ?
10:58 ughlol Im one of them! :)
10:58 ughlol Yes, I do
10:59 ughlol lol
10:59 mircea_popescu okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ?
10:59 ughlol I like pretty girls..
10:59 mircea_popescu me too.
10:59 ughlol haha
10:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]
10:59 mircea_popescu so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over.
10:59 mircea_popescu we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked).
10:59 ughlol Omg. You're right.
11:00 mircea_popescu which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls,
11:00 mircea_popescu except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic.
11:00 ughlol Thats true.
11:00 ughlol :O
11:00 ughlol OMG
11:00 mircea_popescu so then there you go. same applies.
11:00 ughlol That makes so much sense.
11:01 mircea_popescu yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it.
11:01 mircea_popescu if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense.
11:02 mircea_popescu which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense
11:02 mircea_popescu which is why there's no such thing as "an idea".
11:02 ughlol Yeah, you're right..
11:02 mircea_popescu (ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance)
11:03 ughlol hmm
11:03 ughlol I wish I was born elsewhere
11:03 ughlol the economy in India sucks so bad
11:03 ughlol and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :(
11:05 ughlol thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu
11:05 ughlol Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me
11:05 ughlol Im sorry about that.
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30884 @ 0.00080038 = 24.7189 BTC [+]
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.586 = 7.032 BTC [-]
11:11 ThickAsThieves <ughlol> But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place
11:12 ughlol yeah :(
11:12 ughlol I have 0 luck
11:12 ughlol and was born into the wrong damn community of misers
11:12 ughlol lol
11:12 ughlol but thats just my problem
11:12 ughlol sorry to disturb you all
11:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
11:14 ThickAsThieves well it's okay
11:15 ughlol :)
11:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0057102 = 0.2284 BTC [-] {2}
11:18 ThickAsThieves mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better
11:18 ThickAsThieves essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns
11:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00369999 = 0.2146 BTC [+] {2}
11:18 ThickAsThieves (SEO penetration)
11:20 ThickAsThieves for reference: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#466597
11:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00080029 = 16.1258 BTC [-]
11:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00571005 = 0.1941 BTC [-] {4}
11:23 ThickAsThieves relevant to yesterday's Top 500 conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/
11:23 ThickAsThieves youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;)
11:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.0037 = 0.518 BTC [+] {2}
11:29 ThickAsThieves well fuck me, Deprived is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5677176#msg5677176
11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+]
11:33 dexX7 haha well, not much explaination
11:33 dexX7 was he in the us?
11:33 imsaguy Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra.
11:34 dexX7 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Phoneutria_nigriventer.jpg rly?
11:36 mircea_popescu ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one.
11:37 dexX7 i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation
11:38 ThickAsThieves well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know
11:39 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check \cashing service
11:39 mircea_popescu only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve
11:39 dexX7 neat http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-03-13-public-demo-trezor-status
11:40 ThickAsThieves all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check
11:40 mircea_popescu imsaguy i knew that, actually.
11:41 nubbins` nothing gets me hard like lethal poison
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07199999 = 2.016 BTC [+] {3}
11:41 nubbins` priapism FTW
11:41 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a
11:42 mircea_popescu whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?!
11:42 ThickAsThieves lol
11:43 mircea_popescu "If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)."
11:43 asciilifeform the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite.
11:43 mircea_popescu interesting approach.
11:43 mircea_popescu i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry.
11:43 mircea_popescu i wonder wtf people be thinking.
11:43 dexX7 i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls.
11:44 mircea_popescu dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc.
11:44 mircea_popescu either one.
11:44 dexX7 ^_^
11:45 ThickAsThieves i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices
11:45 ThickAsThieves technically he did exactly what he said he would
11:45 ThickAsThieves not communicate until he had news
11:46 asciilifeform dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'
11:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00080038 = 10.485 BTC [+]
11:47 ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2014/03/13/j-p-morgan-customers-tweet-complaints-about-anti-money-laundering-policy/
11:47 ozbot J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W
11:49 dexX7 well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious
11:51 nubbins` showed pascale nude-yoga.com
11:52 dexX7 asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress
11:52 nubbins` she was mightily impressed
11:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199999 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.23396500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 73 satoshi per share
12:02 ThickAsThieves well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived...
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00080083 = 37.0784 BTC [+] {2}
12:07 ThickAsThieves this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday
12:08 dexX7 kate already "came back" a few days ago
12:08 ThickAsThieves expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days!
12:08 dexX7 or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore
12:08 ThickAsThieves well now she's actually posting
12:08 ThickAsThieves surprised all it took was threats
12:08 Apocalyptic on litecointalk ?
12:08 ThickAsThieves yeah
12:08 ThickAsThieves and now on btctalk
12:09 dexX7 "we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well
12:10 ThickAsThieves in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me
12:10 dexX7 good job then
12:10 ThickAsThieves i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit
12:10 ThickAsThieves when BTCT closed
12:10 dexX7 how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share?
12:10 ThickAsThieves it
12:10 ThickAsThieves 's based on USD
12:10 ThickAsThieves so not much
12:11 dexX7 or it was 0.34 usd or so, right?
12:11 ThickAsThieves i dont even track it honestly
12:11 ThickAsThieves i'd be happy just to redeem them
12:11 ThickAsThieves never intended to hold them
12:12 dexX7 i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right
12:12 ThickAsThieves i shoulda listened to myself
12:12 ThickAsThieves hehe
12:13 ThickAsThieves just the buying pressure was strong
12:13 ThickAsThieves of course you probly more mean the PT
12:13 ThickAsThieves than the bond
12:13 dexX7 yup
12:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19372696 BTC to 3`708 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4}
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share
12:14 ThickAsThieves the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious
12:15 ThickAsThieves thats why i offered to pay to round it up
12:15 ThickAsThieves probably not even $1 expense to solve
12:16 dexX7 the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd
12:16 ThickAsThieves she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3}
12:16 ThickAsThieves this is nonsense
12:17 ThickAsThieves AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders
12:17 ThickAsThieves and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole
12:17 ThickAsThieves i recall it being far less than 1000 holders
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.08519288 = 2.1298 BTC [-] {5}
12:17 dexX7 yea
12:17 ThickAsThieves but i'd have to look it up
12:19 dexX7 "For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds"
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0404 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.08013076 = 1.0417 BTC [-] {3}
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {2}
12:20 ThickAsThieves and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people
12:20 ThickAsThieves me, Deprived, Kate (surely)
12:21 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks
12:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]
12:22 mircea_popescu Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ?
12:22 asciilifeform http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-finance-worlds-latest-suicide/
12:22 ozbot Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide | New York Post
12:22 ThickAsThieves are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized?
12:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ?
12:22 asciilifeform ?
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.078 = 0.624 BTC [-]
12:22 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates.
12:23 ThickAsThieves i assume, but larger lately?
12:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead
12:23 mircea_popescu one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore"
12:23 asciilifeform aha
12:23 mircea_popescu apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.0748227 = 1.6461 BTC [-] {12}
12:24 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea.
12:24 ThickAsThieves i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back"
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.0404 = 1.7372 BTC [-]
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.07204081 = 3.53 BTC [-] {3}
12:25 ThickAsThieves you'r eback when you tcb
12:25 mircea_popescu well in that case neither are back
12:25 ThickAsThieves now she has 3mos padding
12:25 ThickAsThieves bleh
12:26 mircea_popescu i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown
12:26 mircea_popescu apparently it got overrun a little /
12:26 ThickAsThieves just a lil
12:26 mircea_popescu and speaking of tcb
12:26 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/a63a1a0b736ae648248af1671b51023c/tumblr_muqjsa8HXc1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg
12:27 ThickAsThieves i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week
12:27 ThickAsThieves after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh
12:28 ThickAsThieves dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though
12:28 mircea_popescu the madness shan't be stopped.
12:28 mircea_popescu we just wanna fish bits from the river.
12:30 benkay i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything
12:30 benkay i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular.
12:31 mircea_popescu http://www.siapress.ru/news/society/30512
12:31 mircea_popescu o look, they're moving in
12:31 mircea_popescu benkay what did i do!
12:32 mircea_popescu Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D
12:34 benkay you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism.
12:34 mircea_popescu what, we're gonna win.
12:35 benkay well OBviously
12:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4}
12:36 ThickAsThieves http://www.voice-online.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/455/lead-racist_soap.jpg
12:36 rbones .
12:36 mircea_popescu "Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!"
12:36 mircea_popescu ok which one of you guise is this ?
12:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3}
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00080084 = 38.9208 BTC [+]
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2}
12:38 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department
12:38 mircea_popescu apparently, working more is bad for you.
12:39 benkay what's the counter-thesis?
12:40 mircea_popescu that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated
12:41 asciilifeform u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot.
12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-]
12:41 chetty http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible
12:41 ozbot Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible
12:41 dexX7 cm.b1 backup: http://archive.is/XZ9PC
12:43 mircea_popescu dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ?
12:43 ThickAsThieves word
12:44 ThickAsThieves like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate
12:44 ThickAsThieves so mostly downside on divs
12:44 ThickAsThieves but still positive
12:44 mircea_popescu but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ?
12:44 ThickAsThieves assuming redemption is possible
12:44 mircea_popescu so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd.
12:44 mircea_popescu on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd.
12:45 mircea_popescu how much is my coupon ?
12:45 ThickAsThieves An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week.
12:45 mircea_popescu so i get 0.0038*100 btc * 100usd/200usd ?
12:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-]
12:46 mircea_popescu "After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond.
12:46 ThickAsThieves i believe so
12:46 ThickAsThieves i honest;y never checked the divs
12:46 mircea_popescu ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ?
12:47 ThickAsThieves well, get rapidly dwindling interest
12:47 mircea_popescu reference being 85dollars/btc...
12:47 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:47 ThickAsThieves if btc had gone down it wouldve given more
12:47 ThickAsThieves only reason i paid attention was as a trader
12:47 mircea_popescu yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value.
12:47 mircea_popescu it'd have paid more in what, hormones ?
12:48 ThickAsThieves and i got what i deserved in that regard
12:48 ThickAsThieves btct closed, kate got married
12:48 ThickAsThieves etc
12:48 mircea_popescu it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium
12:49 mircea_popescu what did they trade as ?
12:49 dexX7 the good old btct times
12:49 ThickAsThieves they were going at like 5% premium
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2}
12:49 imsaguy hmm
12:49 imsaguy I need to start fancy paper stuffs
12:49 ThickAsThieves but i suspect Kate as also playing the market
12:49 imsaguy start selling*
12:49 dexX7 yea pretty sure
12:49 ThickAsThieves wait
12:50 ThickAsThieves she openly said so
12:50 ThickAsThieves if i recall
12:50 imsaguy so who did kate marry?
12:50 imsaguy goat?
12:50 mircea_popescu hqahahaa
12:50 ThickAsThieves deprived obv
12:50 mircea_popescu srs ?
12:50 imsaguy I don't follow days of our forum
12:50 mircea_popescu "Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms."
12:50 imsaguy so obv isn't obv
12:50 mircea_popescu that should go over well
12:50 mircea_popescu imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic
12:51 mircea_popescu i... hope he's being sarcastic
12:51 ThickAsThieves mostly
12:51 imsaguy mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly
12:51 ThickAsThieves but they do have very coincidental availability
12:51 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent
12:51 imsaguy probably the same person
12:51 imsaguy deprived probably named his right hand kate
12:51 mircea_popescu so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ?
12:51 benkay here's a surcharge
12:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile deprived of c0k ?
12:52 ThickAsThieves nah
12:52 ThickAsThieves i spoke with deprived once
12:52 imsaguy no mircea_popescu
12:52 benkay stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever
12:52 ThickAsThieves i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny
12:52 imsaguy kata ala rosie palmer
12:52 imsaguy kate*
12:52 ThickAsThieves he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover
12:52 dexX7 kate != deprived
12:53 chetty benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786
12:53 mircea_popescu spoke with ie, you went to a bar ?
12:53 dexX7 large gap between knowledge and style of writing
12:53 ThickAsThieves voice over internet
12:53 ThickAsThieves he was on his way to a bar though
12:53 ThickAsThieves hehe
12:53 mircea_popescu dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is.
12:53 ThickAsThieves i do think they have some sort of connection
12:53 ThickAsThieves family, friend, or something
12:54 mircea_popescu well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman.
12:54 mircea_popescu that's a connection.
12:54 ThickAsThieves it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands
12:54 imsaguy what ever happened to mr. glbse?
12:54 mircea_popescu why not wives ?
12:54 mircea_popescu imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage.
12:54 ThickAsThieves well i'm not lifting those skirts
12:54 ThickAsThieves you do it
12:55 imsaguy lol
12:55 imsaguy 1,2,3 not it
12:55 benkay noes goes
12:55 benkay nose
12:55 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwhwbksHob1qmojqio1_500.jpg
12:56 dexX7 .bait
12:56 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg
12:56 benkay chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately?
12:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}
12:57 benkay anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them.
12:58 ThickAsThieves sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home"
12:58 chetty You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life
12:58 mircea_popescu whats in louisiana
12:58 benkay that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me."
12:59 benkay rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent.
13:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9}
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0766 = 0.8426 BTC [-]
13:06 VanCleef i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you."
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+]
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4}
13:07 benkay i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!"
13:07 mircea_popescu i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!"
13:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3}
13:08 VanCleef /semihard
13:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16251 @ 0.00080029 = 13.0055 BTC [-]
13:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00080135 = 12.6605 BTC [+] {3}
13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.07326315 = 1.392 BTC [-] {3}
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00079918 = 10.4565 BTC [-]
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07689999 = 0.3076 BTC [+] {2}
13:29 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJifZLjipxo
13:29 ozbot Pussy Pussy Marijuana Verse - YouTube
13:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
13:33 benkay .bait
13:33 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/25554fcb3c82a37a564f2379a63d652a/tumblr_mtwi01x1Gd1rfz6a4o1_1280.jpg
13:34 nubbins` bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga
13:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424765 = 0.8495 BTC [+] {2}
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+]
13:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3}
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+]
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+]
13:49 asciilifeform from the circus:
13:49 asciilifeform http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism
13:49 ozbot Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12418 @ 0.00080069 = 9.943 BTC [-]
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.00220032 = 0.143 BTC [-] {8}
13:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6}
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01600797 = 0.2721 BTC [-] {3}
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3}
14:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00079866 = 45.1243 BTC [-] {6}
14:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7}
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7}
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+]
14:06 blackwhite is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc?
14:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3}
14:09 mike_c !t h rent
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC)
14:09 mike_c i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5}
14:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+]
14:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4}
14:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3}
14:14 mjr_ whats up everybody
14:14 mjr_ I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara
14:15 blackwhite mike_c like this http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226
14:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.073 = 1.168 BTC [-]
14:17 mike_c blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT
14:18 blackwhite so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization)
14:19 mike_c mpex here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/
14:19 mike_c and that's it, the link store is closed.
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [-]
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27124 @ 0.00079978 = 21.6932 BTC [+]
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5855 = 4.0985 BTC [-] {3}
14:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07698998 = 0.9239 BTC [+]
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8359 @ 0.00079828 = 6.6728 BTC [-]
14:39 benkay mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights
14:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00080225 = 8.4236 BTC [+]
14:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0769 = 0.1538 BTC [-]
14:48 mike_c i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per?
14:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00379799 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {3}
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00079762 = 17.4192 BTC [-] {3}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
15:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.00638286 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {2}
15:17 thestringpuller ;;ud trapstar
15:17 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...
15:17 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapstar
15:17 thestringpuller ;;ud trapping
15:17 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping”  ...
15:17 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapping
15:17 thestringpuller ;;ud trap star
15:17 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...
15:17 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapstar
15:18 thestringpuller ;;ud trapper
15:18 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper | drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ...
15:18 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapper
15:18 thestringpuller ;;ud trap
15:18 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap | The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ...
15:18 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trap
15:18 benkay thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right?
15:18 ThickAsThieves bet you didn't know it's derived from
15:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0063834 = 0.1277 BTC [+]
15:18 ThickAsThieves ;;crab trap
15:18 gribble Error: "crab" is not a valid command.
15:18 ThickAsThieves ;;ud crab trap
15:18 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily.
15:18 ozbot Urban Dictionary: crab trap
15:19 ThickAsThieves no not that
15:19 ThickAsThieves hehe
15:19 ThickAsThieves they used to call it a crab trap
15:19 ThickAsThieves which became trapping
15:19 ThickAsThieves cuz they all stuck in the pot
15:19 ThickAsThieves and got a crab mentality
15:19 ThickAsThieves etc
15:20 mike_c hm, what is a crab mentality?
15:21 benkay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
15:21 ozbot Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15:21 benkay related to:
15:21 benkay
15:21 benkay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
15:21 ozbot Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15:21 ThickAsThieves well to think like a base animal
15:21 ThickAsThieves like the trap is the whole world
15:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46721 @ 0.00079947 = 37.352 BTC [+] {3}
15:21 ThickAsThieves fighting for the food
15:22 ThickAsThieves tearing eachother up
15:22 ThickAsThieves stuck
15:23 ThickAsThieves wiki says it better
15:23 ThickAsThieves of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment
15:24 mike_c sounds like bitcointalk
15:25 mike_c or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight.
15:25 ThickAsThieves yeha not really similar
15:26 ThickAsThieves the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though
15:26 mike_c and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot.
15:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0008004 = 31.4557 BTC [+] {3}
15:27 benkay btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!"
15:27 benkay it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!"
15:27 mike_c lol. special fairy.
15:27 ThickAsThieves i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close
15:27 benkay group delusions of competence
15:28 ThickAsThieves trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat
15:28 ThickAsThieves ignorant
15:28 ThickAsThieves it's like being tough or real
15:28 ThickAsThieves fuckit i ignant
15:29 ThickAsThieves acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose
15:29 ThickAsThieves and be hood
15:29 ThickAsThieves so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood
15:29 ThickAsThieves in
15:30 benkay you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838
15:31 dexX7 http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community"
15:31 benkay notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses"
15:31 benkay who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials.
15:31 ThickAsThieves black people always can find pride in what they arew
15:31 nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/YG9fT
15:31 ozbot 56 Bitcoin Icons - Imgur
15:32 ThickAsThieves i know that's a generalization
15:32 nubbins` nice
15:32 ThickAsThieves but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white
15:33 nubbins` wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter?
15:33 nubbins` ;(
15:34 ThickAsThieves she's so stupid...
15:34 dexX7 in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again
15:34 dexX7 but i don't believe she'll stop ;)
15:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00079546 = 60.6141 BTC [-] {4}
15:35 dexX7 http://i.imgur.com/h3y9VSe.jpg hehe
15:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.044475 = 0.3558 BTC [+] {2}
15:37 ThickAsThieves she'll stop because she's a husk now
15:37 ThickAsThieves no one wants her
15:37 ThickAsThieves she'll need to go solo
15:37 ThickAsThieves and be a sensationalist blogger
15:38 benkay is she married?
15:38 ThickAsThieves i'd bet no
15:38 dexX7 ^
15:38 ThickAsThieves her staying with a gf and all
15:39 ThickAsThieves she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else
15:39 Apocalyptic ^
15:39 ThickAsThieves i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls
15:39 benkay it's never to late to snag one, i guess.
15:39 ThickAsThieves hopelessly lost in self importance
15:40 ThickAsThieves i guarantee she can't cook either
15:40 benkay f that
15:40 benkay while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table.
15:40 thestringpuller You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck.
15:41 thestringpuller "I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.:
15:41 Apocalyptic not only American thestringpuller
15:41 thestringpuller It's like fuck off and die already.
15:41 dexX7 sounds like you're 60+
15:41 dexX7 jk :)
15:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+]
15:42 thestringpuller I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60
15:43 thestringpuller fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit
15:43 thestringpuller 15 year olds are better at hustling
15:43 thestringpuller 15 year olds from the hood*
15:43 asciilifeform thestringpuller: what were they hired to do?
15:43 dexX7 what kind of business do you run? :D
15:43 dexX7 tree farms?
15:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04446666 = 0.2668 BTC [-] {2}
15:45 thestringpuller asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go.
15:45 thestringpuller hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was
15:46 thestringpuller literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up
15:46 thestringpuller college grad with CS degree and all
15:46 asciilifeform graduate of Spam U ?
15:47 thestringpuller Essentially. Cept not the online kind.
15:47 thestringpuller Local community Spam U
15:50 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/2kg29Ts
15:50 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
15:50 asciilifeform usg steals a few irc botnets.
15:50 asciilifeform laugh/cry
15:51 benkay what is this "quantum" referencing?
15:51 asciilifeform name for a particular malware-production group at nsa
15:52 asciilifeform no actual quanta harmed.
15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3238 @ 0.00080013 = 2.5908 BTC [+]
15:56 dub was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too?
15:56 dub s/f/ph
15:57 dub ie, the delivery
15:58 HowardF lol
15:58 dub helps to click links I guess
15:59 Apocalyptic thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess
15:59 thestringpuller Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job
16:00 Apocalyptic sounds fair
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 197 @ 0.0008546 = 0.1684 BTC [-]
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 281 @ 0.0008546 = 0.2401 BTC [-]
16:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2730 @ 0.00015195 = 0.4148 BTC [+] {4}
16:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04300066 = 0.129 BTC [-] {3}
16:14 asciilifeform https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor
16:14 ozbot Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working
16:19 dexX7 i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor
16:19 nubbins` https://blockchain.info/wallet/how-to-get-bitcoins
16:19 ozbot How to Get Bitcoins - 3 Step Guide
16:19 nubbins` "alternative methods"
16:19 nubbins` i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from
16:19 nubbins` and if they ever stacked blocks as a child
16:20 dexX7 :D
16:20 asciilifeform photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude.
16:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04458762 = 1.4714 BTC [+] {5}
16:20 nubbins` heh
16:21 nubbins` those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something
16:21 dexX7 the context is "offline"
16:21 nubbins` seriously, look at the stack on the right
16:21 nubbins` i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that.
16:22 asciilifeform imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses
16:22 nubbins` hahah
16:22 ughlol mircea_popescu: mind if I pm?
16:22 nubbins` that would be great
16:24 ughlol lol
16:25 ThickAsThieves i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page
16:25 ThickAsThieves nor coinbase
16:25 ThickAsThieves such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho
16:25 ThickAsThieves how to buy*
16:27 benkay how to butt
16:27 benkay bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either
16:27 ThickAsThieves indeed
16:29 dexX7 ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg
16:29 dexX7 at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet
16:29 ThickAsThieves i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits?
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16:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00080246 = 25.5985 BTC [+]
16:43 ughlol Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India
16:43 ughlol and looking for investment for the same
16:43 ughlol anybody interested?
16:44 ThickAsThieves a social media rape service?
16:44 ThickAsThieves sounds fishy
16:44 ughlol rape intervention
16:44 ughlol social network with such a feature
16:44 ughlol but rape prevention/intervention is the USP
16:44 Azelphur how would that work? O.o
16:44 HowardF how would such a thing make profit?
16:45 benkay nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity?
16:45 ughlol Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family.
16:45 ughlol HowardF: Ads, etc..
16:46 Azelphur so this is a hardware device?
16:46 ughlol no
16:46 ughlol a software
16:46 benkay apps!
16:46 benkay apps for everyone and everything!
16:46 ughlol Android app that takes advantage of location services
16:46 ughlol benkay: precisely
16:46 Azelphur I see
16:46 ughlol "A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done."
16:46 Azelphur and yea, where's the profit?
16:46 ughlol I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India)
16:47 ughlol and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists)
16:47 ughlol Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc.
16:47 ughlol This would be the USP for my app
16:47 HowardF i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere...
16:47 ughlol USP == Unique Selling Proposition
16:47 Azelphur ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this
16:48 ughlol Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app.
16:48 HowardF agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms..
16:48 ughlol Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads.
16:49 ughlol FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads
16:49 Azelphur heh
16:49 TomServo How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted?
16:49 ughlol I think a social network can make similar amounts
16:49 Azelphur ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use
16:49 HowardF ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think )
16:49 ughlol TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify.
16:49 ughlol these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies
16:49 TomServo Right.. but the location?
16:49 ughlol HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken.
16:50 punkman ughlol, you need DRONES
16:50 ughlol TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc.
16:50 HowardF i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.
16:50 ughlol punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server.
16:50 ughlol lol
16:50 ughlol HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot.
16:50 Azelphur yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says)
16:51 Azelphur but, there's no profit in i
16:51 Azelphur t
16:51 ThickAsThieves ughlol
16:51 ThickAsThieves your idea is horrible
16:51 ThickAsThieves scrap it
16:51 ughlol India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi..
16:51 ThickAsThieves try again
16:51 ughlol Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways.
16:51 HowardF looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead
16:51 ughlol ThickAsThieves: really? You think so?
16:51 ThickAsThieves also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention
16:51 Azelphur HowardF++
16:52 ThickAsThieves it has the opposite reaction
16:52 ughlol HowardF: I agree.
16:52 ThickAsThieves yes
16:52 ughlol ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention?
16:52 ThickAsThieves you dont advertise to possible rape victims
16:52 benkay ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event.
16:52 ThickAsThieves and an app is not social media
16:52 ughlol ThickAsThieves: http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Fighting-Rape/EPISODE-1watchvideo.aspx?uid=E1-EV-V1&lang=hindi
16:52 benkay all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning.
16:53 ughlol Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins.
16:53 ThickAsThieves firstly
16:53 ThickAsThieves you said scam
16:53 ThickAsThieves not me
16:53 ughlol benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city.
16:53 ughlol ThickAsThieves: think what you may.
16:53 benkay ughlol: you fail to make a point.
16:53 ThickAsThieves second, nevermin
16:53 ThickAsThieves d
16:53 ThickAsThieves this deserves no more attention
16:54 Azelphur ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting
16:54 HowardF in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously.
16:54 ughlol benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event?
16:54 ughlol There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market.
16:54 Azelphur HowardF: agree with you :)
16:54 Azelphur ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then?
16:54 ughlol Yes, you're right HowardF
16:54 benkay no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol.
16:54 ughlol oh
16:54 ughlol i see
16:54 ughlol sorry
16:54 benkay it's not going to prevent rapes.
16:55 Azelphur yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD
16:55 benkay rapist smacks phone out of girls hand.
16:55 benkay continues to rape.
16:55 benkay your app has failed.
16:55 benkay NEXT.
16:55 HowardF benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful
16:55 Azelphur yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you
16:55 ughlol Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS.
16:55 Azelphur an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example
16:55 benkay or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india
16:55 benkay this is a human problem, not a technological one.
16:56 ughlol benkay: it may fail. but it will help many.
16:56 ughlol even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds.
16:56 benkay and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here.
16:56 ughlol technology is moving towards changing peoples lives.
16:56 benkay ads are out.
16:56 Azelphur benkay: I think we already established that it won't
16:56 ughlol HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money?
16:57 ughlol Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even?
16:57 HowardF difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting.
16:57 Azelphur HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol
16:57 ughlol Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free..
16:57 joecool <benkay> or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place
16:57 joecool could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world
16:57 HowardF donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option
16:57 ughlol and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney.
16:58 ughlol Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.
16:58 ughlol HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this?
16:59 Azelphur ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested.
16:59 HowardF trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads.
16:59 ughlol oh
16:59 Azelphur I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation
16:59 ughlol ok
16:59 ughlol ah, i see Azelphur
16:59 Azelphur and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work
17:00 HowardF i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start
17:00 Azelphur tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned
17:00 HowardF some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant.
17:00 Azelphur 1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success
17:00 ughlol Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere.
17:01 ughlol This isn't America.
17:01 ughlol Nobody wants to be the hero.
17:01 Azelphur ah, that's shitty
17:01 HowardF also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press
17:01 ughlol This is India.
17:01 Azelphur but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work
17:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00080108 = 34.847 BTC [-] {2}
17:01 ughlol Why so?
17:01 ughlol I think GPS should do the trick.
17:01 ughlol It should give a very accurate location.
17:01 Azelphur best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner
17:01 Azelphur by then the attacker is probably done and gone
17:01 benkay .bait
17:02 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ft157Ui61r600xqo1_1280.jpg
17:02 benkay mm wow
17:02 benkay .bait
17:02 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h4x0MKBB1qag73to1_1280.jpg
17:02 HowardF based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming
17:02 ughlol ^
17:02 ughlol true
17:02 benkay what if they're on a train?
17:02 Azelphur ^ that too
17:02 benkay fat load of use this thing will be.
17:02 jcpham train rape
17:02 ughlol benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit..
17:02 benkay fat load of use this thing will be anyways.
17:02 ughlol yeah
17:02 HowardF and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help
17:02 ughlol its better than doing nothing
17:03 ughlol and just bitching about every idea that exists
17:03 Azelphur HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care
17:03 ughlol thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims
17:03 Azelphur but that's about all it'd be good for
17:03 benkay nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place.
17:03 ughlol To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success.
17:03 benkay to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help
17:03 ughlol i want to make it.
17:03 Azelphur ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all
17:03 ughlol Not just talk about it.
17:04 benkay so go make it and quit bullshitting.
17:04 Azelphur then go make it, you don't need money
17:04 benkay prove me wrong.
17:04 benkay you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?
17:04 ughlol benkay: do you have a twitter profile?
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00080252 = 24.9182 BTC [+] {2}
17:04 ughlol I'll prove you wrong.
17:04 ughlol benkay: you're wrong.
17:04 benkay less talk, more do.
17:04 benkay go.
17:04 ughlol resources count as well. not just passion and drive.
17:04 HowardF also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think...
17:05 joecool wat
17:05 benkay what about a fucking whistle?
17:05 ughlol Thank you HowardF.
17:05 benkay what about martial arts training?
17:05 benkay those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome
17:05 HowardF your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits
17:06 benkay no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything.
17:06 Azelphur ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit
17:06 Azelphur I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip
17:06 Azelphur so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)
17:07 ughlol I doubt Azelphur.
17:07 Azelphur really?
17:07 ughlol Yes, really.
17:07 Azelphur ...ok then
17:07 ughlol I myself am a developer and security consultant.
17:07 benkay famous in india, we hear!
17:07 ughlol not exactly, but kinda
17:07 ughlol lol
17:07 HowardF i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up
17:08 benkay so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work
17:08 benkay ;;calc 10*80*8
17:08 gribble 6400
17:08 ughlol I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype.
17:08 benkay shouldn't cost you more than seven grand.
17:08 Azelphur https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/Photos/From%20Google/DCFN0033.JPG observe, shit from a skip :)
17:08 HowardF if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time
17:08 Azelphur note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons.
17:08 Azelphur those were the days folks, those were the days.
17:09 ughlol Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary.
17:09 ughlol benkay: ^
17:09 ughlol Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :)
17:09 Azelphur ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument.
17:10 Azelphur here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :)
17:11 ughlol $20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc.
17:11 ughlol (assuming i coded the app on my own)
17:11 ughlol these things require some amount of investment
17:11 Azelphur ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did.
17:11 ughlol but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea.
17:12 Azelphur I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)
17:12 Azelphur I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha
17:12 ThickAsThieves does india not have a polic emergency line?
17:12 ughlol You can get a VPS for 4months for $20?
17:12 ughlol ThickAsThieves: no
17:13 Azelphur ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago
17:13 Azelphur now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome
17:13 ThickAsThieves so what happens when rapee uses your app
17:13 ughlol police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda
17:13 ThickAsThieves who comes running?
17:13 ughlol or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case
17:13 ughlol ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers'
17:14 ThickAsThieves so it's like a digital rape whistle
17:14 Azelphur ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example
17:14 ughlol Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..?
17:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line.
17:14 ughlol ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho)
17:14 Azelphur there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head
17:14 HowardF actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims
17:14 Azelphur actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year
17:14 ThickAsThieves the app would be so easy to replicate
17:14 ThickAsThieves i dont see how it can make money
17:15 Azelphur HowardF: now that's a good idea
17:15 ughlol Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate.
17:15 Azelphur although again, it's all unprofitable
17:15 ughlol There are so many services like whatsapp.
17:15 ThickAsThieves whatsapp had value cuz user data
17:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does
17:15 ThickAsThieves surely you dont intend to sell user data
17:15 Azelphur ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;)
17:15 Azelphur just gotta be smart.
17:15 Azelphur heck, you could startup on $0
17:16 ughlol HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted*
17:16 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:16 HowardF profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't
17:16 ThickAsThieves yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it
17:16 HowardF i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project
17:16 Azelphur I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things
17:16 Azelphur but I'm crazy. xD
17:17 ughlol How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims?
17:17 ughlol Would that also be insulting?
17:17 ThickAsThieves well the problem is that's how he started
17:17 ThickAsThieves who has money for me?!
17:17 ughlol Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even.
17:17 ThickAsThieves social media!
17:17 Azelphur ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit
17:17 HowardF not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while.
17:17 ughlol ah
17:17 ughlol ah well
17:18 ughlol some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc..
17:18 ThickAsThieves you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions
17:18 ughlol sorry to waste all your time guys
17:18 Azelphur ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now
17:18 ughlol Yes, thats true..
17:18 ThickAsThieves you may even make a living of it yourself
17:18 ThickAsThieves but it's not an investment opportunity
17:19 Azelphur hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help
17:19 ThickAsThieves off*
17:19 Azelphur at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think
17:19 ughlol haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims.
17:19 ughlol Azelphur: definitely
17:19 ughlol I will do that..
17:19 HowardF indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea.
17:19 Azelphur ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem
17:19 HowardF focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits
17:20 ughlol Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions.
17:21 ughlol I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding).
17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30736 @ 0.00080103 = 24.6205 BTC [-] {3}
17:24 asciilifeform http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/31-year-old-son-jon-corzine-reported-dead
17:24 ozbot 31 Year Old Son Of Jon Corzine Reported Dead | Zero Hedge
17:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33725 @ 0.00080309 = 27.0842 BTC [+] {2}
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21451 @ 0.00080142 = 17.1913 BTC [-]
17:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04535987 = 0.4536 BTC [+] {7}
17:56 benkay did we rid -assets of the rapist?
17:57 benkay BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line?
17:57 benkay hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is
17:58 BingoBoingo benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market
17:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]
18:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 42 @ 0.073 = 3.066 BTC [-] {3}
18:00 mike_c bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn't that big yet..
18:00 ThickAsThieves 'When it comes to currencies, “community is everything,”'
18:01 ThickAsThieves 'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo'
18:01 ThickAsThieves (WSJ)
18:03 BingoBoingo mike_c: It seems more likely that BTC denominated sports betting is shrinking in terms of BTC bet
18:04 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5660990#msg5660990
18:04 ozbot BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted
18:04 benkay such trust!
18:05 benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5661115#msg5661115
18:05 ozbot BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080315 = 14.0551 BTC [+]
18:05 benkay "Its very bad news why are you going to do this I am very upset need to rethink about this"
18:06 BingoBoingo So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.
18:07 benkay best way to not lose btc is to not do anything with 'em
18:07 BingoBoingo Pretty much.
18:08 ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-13/benchmark-backs-bitcoin-storage-provider-xapo.html
18:08 ozbot Benchmark Backs Bitcoin Secure Storage Provider Xapo - Bloomberg
18:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
18:11 benkay yeah that's interesting
18:11 punkman "When you want to safely store your bitcoin savings, use Xapo's Vault. We use layer after layer of proprietary security protocol, including man, machine, and even a mountain"
18:11 benkay one of the funds that got hammered is behind that
18:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080229 = 5.5358 BTC [-]
18:17 twizt pankkake: someone pretending to be you PMing me
18:17 twizt pankkakee
18:17 twizt lol
18:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00080315 = 4.4976 BTC [+]
18:19 benkay what's the scam, twizt?
18:20 twizt trying to trade ltc for btc
18:20 twizt i told him i only trade penis coin for vagina coin LOL
18:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
18:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55722 @ 0.00080058 = 44.6099 BTC [-] {2}
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00080315 = 2.256 BTC [+]
18:26 Neil This MH370 thing is like a real-time slapstick farce.
18:28 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#558654
18:28 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
18:28 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper
18:28 nubbins` upon which the sticker is laid
18:29 nubbins` http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/20130803_135932.jpg
18:29 benkay gimme the lulz, Neil
18:30 benkay it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite
18:30 benkay unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation
18:34 asciilifeform benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control.
18:34 asciilifeform this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared.
18:34 ThickAsThieves nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers?
18:36 asciilifeform has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin?
18:36 asciilifeform i'm reasonably certain that it is possible to do so, but have no wish to steal from anyone.
18:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
18:38 ThickAsThieves it's been done at hacker conferences and/or in a blog post I believe
18:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00080331 = 8.3946 BTC [+] {2}
18:39 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: link?
18:40 asciilifeform if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram
18:42 ThickAsThieves http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/
18:42 ozbot Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog
18:42 nubbins` old news ;D
18:42 nubbins` apparently they left evidence of tampering
18:43 asciilifeform not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat)
18:43 ThickAsThieves i recall you talking on the topic before
18:43 ThickAsThieves i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage
18:43 ThickAsThieves more a way for family member to store some
18:44 asciilifeform i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security.
18:44 ThickAsThieves i trust my mom could keep a coin safe, a bitcoin however
18:44 benkay safe + drives + paper backups
18:45 ThickAsThieves + solvent ink vinyl backups
18:45 benkay bwaat?
18:46 nubbins` like business signs
18:46 nubbins` i'm not sure if blanks come with paper
18:46 nubbins` err sorry
18:46 nubbins` they do come with stickers
18:46 ThickAsThieves drives can corrupt, aqueous ink can dissolve, paper can disintegrate
18:47 ThickAsThieves solvent ink can only be removed with solvent
18:47 ThickAsThieves vinyl has different weaknesses than paper
18:47 nubbins` aluminum strips and embossing tape
18:47 benkay sometime this year i hope to have an etching process up
18:47 nubbins` http://www.qsupplies.com/productcart/pc/catalog/EX113288.jpg
18:48 ThickAsThieves not bad nubbins
18:48 asciilifeform consider clay tablet.
18:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00080355 = 19.6307 BTC [+]
18:48 nubbins` ooh that too
18:48 ThickAsThieves does aluminum surive house fire?
18:48 nubbins` doubt it
18:48 nubbins` you can probably melt that tape with a bic
18:48 benkay fast conduction tho
18:49 KRS1 alum melts easily
18:49 benkay maybe instead of etching, i'll buy a small mill
18:49 nubbins` <asciilifeform> has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward
18:49 nubbins` since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value
18:50 ThickAsThieves not sure who would fund such
18:50 asciilifeform could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin.
18:50 asciilifeform likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin.
18:51 nubbins` you can get brass coins for a premium of ~0.2btc
18:51 ThickAsThieves loaded?
18:51 nubbins` yeah
18:52 nubbins` 2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc
18:53 nubbins` i've seen some sellers offer 2013 0.5btc brass for 0.69
18:53 nubbins` but i wouldn't sell mine for that low
18:54 nubbins` the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43394 @ 0.00080395 = 34.8866 BTC [+] {2}
19:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04594999 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {3}
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59763332 = 1.7929 BTC [+] {3}
19:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603895 = 1.2078 BTC [+] {2}
19:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.604 = 1.812 BTC [+]
19:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
19:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00080203 = 27.5802 BTC [-] {3}
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00354847 = 1.7742 BTC [-] {14}
19:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605 = 2.42 BTC [+]
19:40 dexX7_ http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php wow
19:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]
19:43 dexX7_ gox trades and balances partly deanonymized with the help of the 2011 leak
19:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6899 @ 0.00014601 = 1.0073 BTC [-] {10}
19:48 ThickAsThieves http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php?page=worst_traders
20:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079891 = 3.1956 BTC [-]
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
20:09 BingoBoingo http://betabeat.com/2014/03/newsweek-reporter-bashes-fanatical-bitcoiners-on-facebook/
20:09 ozbot Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook | Betabeat
20:14 Duffer1 in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine
20:14 Duffer1 MNKY*
20:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0063834 = 0.3383 BTC [-]
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.006037 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {3}
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9}
20:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5}
20:18 turbo_ac100 The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.
20:24 dub wat
20:27 dub oh mp discovered that google suck?
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1929 @ 0.00015196 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {5}
20:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13078 @ 0.00079891 = 10.4481 BTC [-]
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00079882 = 26.5208 BTC [-] {2}
20:55 nubbins` ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list!
20:55 nubbins` ;;rated toffoo
20:55 gribble You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.
20:55 nubbins` ooh lightbox too
20:59 Duffer1 oh snap Deprived is back
21:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7940 @ 0.000152 = 1.2069 BTC [+]
21:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.073 = 0.511 BTC [-]
21:22 BingoBoingo_ ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC trading statement has been mailed.
21:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-]
21:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0037 = 0.1073 BTC [-]
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00079961 = 5.1975 BTC [+]
21:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00591839 = 0.7102 BTC [+] {2}
21:47 decimation asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?
21:54 asciilifeform decimation: which one?
21:55 decimation http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.pdf
21:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.0059186 = 3.1369 BTC [+]
21:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [+]
21:55 decimation I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise
21:55 decimation except you just have to trust apple
21:57 decimation of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter
21:57 francis_wolke http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/
21:57 ozbot Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - Americ
21:57 asciilifeform i see nothing remarkable in this document.
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
21:59 decimation I wish they would release the firmware code
22:05 decimation http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-solar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html
22:05 ozbot New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning
22:06 decimation The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.
22:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-]
22:10 asciilifeform http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-judge-dismisses-charges-in-Devyani-Khobragade-case/articleshow/31913140.cms
22:11 BingoBoingo Slow news day, but for the bored: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/invertebrates-inject-a-bit-of-romance-during-sexby-stabbing-each-other/
22:11 benkay` "discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school"
22:11 benkay` i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.
22:12 asciilifeform note the role of the famous preet bharara - the roland freisler of our day.
22:13 decimation no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure
22:15 decimation why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?
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22:32 MisterE http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1
22:47 benkay` http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/03/in-turkey-renewed-anti-government-protests/100698/
22:47 ozbot In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic
22:47 benkay` ignore those neo-nazis in crimea
22:48 benkay` who's paying for all of these banners? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/turkey031314/s_t07_78148535.jpg
22:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00014989 = 0.1363 BTC [+] {3}
22:50 decimation Communists?
22:51 benkay` is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?
22:53 MisterE Koch
22:56 BingoBoingo Gambling and the regulation thereof http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/13/3107196/no-dice-amended-gambling-bill.html
22:57 benkay` "concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"
22:57 benkay` that being the government's business, of course.
22:59 BingoBoingo Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint
22:59 MisterE and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government
22:59 MisterE hahah
22:59 MisterE I bet those jobs are monimum wage too
22:59 MisterE minimum*
22:59 BingoBoingo Oh, it is an "employee owned casino"
22:59 MisterE while the execs and shareholders clean up
22:59 MisterE oh
23:00 BingoBoingo Whatever that can mean
23:00 MisterE yea
23:00 BingoBoingo I imagine it is like a reverse Berkshire
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-]
23:01 MisterE man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME
23:01 MisterE I should get over there
23:02 benkay` what kinds of mischief would you get up to?
23:06 MisterE Hmm maybe protest porn?
23:08 benkay` naked ladies at the protest?
23:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07181 = 0.2872 BTC [-]
23:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04608125 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4}
23:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32553 @ 0.00079929 = 26.0193 BTC [+] {2}
23:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2}
23:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0036 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
23:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+]
23:37 chetty http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/chinese-authorities-halt-virtual-credit-card-payments-tencent-yahoo-crashing
23:37 ozbot Chinese Authorities Halt Virtual Credit Card Payments; Tencent, Yahoo Crashing | Zero Hedge
23:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+]
23:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+]
23:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+]
23:50 Duffer1 http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
23:50 ozbot Twitch
23:51 Duffer1 heroes of the storm
23:54 MisterE who Duffer1 ?
23:55 Duffer1 new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing
23:57 BingoBoingo Kinda related to my writeup on basketball
23:57 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/theres-no-basketball-crowd-like-one-close-to-free-big-1543241447
23:57 ozbot There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-]
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