#trilema | 2014-01-31

there's no good solutions to thisproblem.

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Apocalyptic

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https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-439.txt

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Ziff-Davis did some research using some of the bitcoin chain tracking software, tracing four addresses which were used and were determined from multiple CryptoLocker victims who, after paying their money, made public the address that they had sent payment to. The CryptoLocker extortionware acquired a total of 41, just shy of 42,000 bitcoins, 41,928 bitcoins.

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lol is this the nut with the "fix your harddrive spin" nonsense /

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heh yeah. sorry I couldn't find a better reference.

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he has a mildly informative podcast which occasionally has interesting tidbits

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anyway, this seems dubious on the face.

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dudes had to pay what, 2btc each ?

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yea 2 for the first version and then less for v2

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if they get the 42k value by looking at which addresses those 2 btc were spent

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They dropped it to 0.3 btc

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they're 99% certain looking at some exchange hotwallet.

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steve gibson lol

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didnt cryptome shit all over him years ago?

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Certainly whoever wrote that virus wouldn't be dumb enough to use unique addresses?

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who didint ? lol

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decimation i never read it, dunno.

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anyay, this has been enough excitement for one day. take care all!

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byes

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Apocalyptic: do you run the namecoin software?

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http://www.ft.com/intl/world

herbijudlestoids did you read the moldbug essay to which your FOFOA link points?

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bloctoc

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World News - latest world news headlines - FT.com

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bloctoc

sorry about that

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decimation: i did not admittedly.

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is it worthwhile, or poor?

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Perhaps I am deluded, but I thought it clarifed matters w.r.t. currency adoption

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The "Ben Graham" analysis of bitcoin yeilds nonsense

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but the same is true of gold

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yes, thats why i brought up FOFOA, because a few of the things mircea mentioned were very similar to things FOFOA has said about the concept of freegold

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i do not compare gold (or btc) to stocks when evaluating its job as a store of value

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 88 @ 0.00428976 = 0.3775 BTC [+] {2}

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do you have a reference on your freegold idea?

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FOFOA is the reference

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would you like some links? easiest to google fofoa freegold and in the sitemap on google are a bunch specifically on the topic

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http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/freegold-foundations.html is a good place to start

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FOFOA: Freegold Foundations

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4202 @ 0.00090567 = 3.8056 BTC [+]

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thanks

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full disclosure i converse with FOFOA occassionally and some market info and thoughts i have passed onto him have been included in some of his work. i claim no particular insight just provided otherwise proprietary market information

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Moldbug would seem to argue that Bitcoin is harder than gold, by virtue of its finite supply

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yes, FOFOA also

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but FOFOA seems to argue that gold is held in stronger hands

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the argument is much more nuanced than that

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its about roles, what asset plays what role to the aggregate world aka "superorganism"

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right now, USD plays the role of reserve asset (i.e. store of value), medium of exchange and unit of account globally and especially in the case of marginal producers

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EUR was by design (4 decades in the making) to take the role of USD on its eventual failure in those roles, but only in the roles of medium of exchange and unit of account

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store of value for marginal producers/savers to be carried out in gold (see ECB balance sheet)

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FOFOA argument is that bitcoin versus USD is a non competition, real competition is BTC versus "what comes next" i.e. EUR+Gold

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and while BTC might make an elegant medium of exchange it wont be adopted as a reference point like EUR since its hard

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the implicit assumption is that the MoE should be soft, grow/contract along with the economy

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00089625 = 14.4296 BTC [-] {2}

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this all goes back to mises regression theory, that money is whatever people (especially the marginal producer/consumer aka saver/borrower) use for money. ECB, peoples bank of china, oil surplus like Saudis all understand gold in the role of store of value, therefore gold is the store of value

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demand gives the value, so unless ECB and saudis start demanding to save in BTC it will never be store of value

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im not giving my opinion here, just trying to decode the msg

00:29

Okay, but the question is: what will the saudis demand in the future?

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yesterday today and in the future the saudis have always demanded gold

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even in the advent of the petrodollar, under the assumption the dollars could be redeemed on the spot market for physical gold

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http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2010/10/its-flow-stupid.html

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FOFOA: It's the Flow, Stupid

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http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2010/10/flow-addendum.html

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FOFOA: Flow Addendum

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Interesting. I must log now, but I will read through this in the future.

00:46

hullo BingoBoingo :)

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Hello herbijudlestoids

00:52

Why, hello here.

00:53

herbijudlestoids: I am trying to get some play sports book to let a freiend who hasn't cared for long enough's funds

00:55

It seems like a rather futile enterprise to try, but if the Doge'ers are as brazen as they seem to be now.

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herbijudlestoids: Have you ever given thought to the possibility the universe just might hate R and want to make a mockery of it.

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same way tor did

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non existant problem, basically

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BingoBoingo: nope :)

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Before the end of February I imagine my site is going to requite a niggers.txt file

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i luv teh R, whats your beef?

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do you wanna see my new tick distribution from the last 48h? this is per 10 tick returns

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herbijudlestoids: That common LISP or PYthon could be less verbose.

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herbijudlestoids: How do yoy know I don't have better deets

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i can do in R in about 5 lines what takes ~100 lines in python

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or care about moves measured in minutes or days.

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BingoBoingo: you might, i dunno, i just thought you migh tlike to see it, i pulled the data from #bitcoin-assets-trades and processed in R :)

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when i get more data i will do some lower resolution graphs

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not much point doing a daily returns distribution when youv only got 2 days

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herbijudlestoids: I don't speak R to the computer for the same reason I don't speak Attic Greek in conversation

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and? whats the reason? lol

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Ancient lights is the reason

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Attic Greek is old enough skipping to Sabine taming Latin is reasonable. R is old enough skipping to Python is reasonable (though Ruby is never reasonable).

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python cannot do what i can do in R in so few lines.

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https://gist.github.com/sinner-/8727386

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gist:8727386

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thats a simple example BingoBoingo, how do i do line #10 in python like i do it in R?

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(in one line, like that)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00090306 = 15.9842 BTC [+] {2}

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herbijudlestoids: line # 10 from what source?

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the gist i just pasted?

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herbijudlestoids: I mean if you want letter perfect code Common LISP is the language, but in the garbage you pasted I can't say if you are protecting from garbage overloads or some shit.

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the thing is i know, because i used to do all my analysis in python and found R to be much quicker

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still code most everything else in python

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and my day to day job is openstack, all python

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BingoBoingo: you called my code garbage :(

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00089996 = 4.0948 BTC [-]

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herbijudlestoids: I said nothing about your mystery code. I called your language garbage though

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http://www.hyperbutts.com/

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BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS

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wtf

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00090577 = 4.1665 BTC [+] {3}

01:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20471 @ 0.00090742 = 18.5758 BTC [+] {2}

~ 31 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.0009026 = 10.3799 BTC [-] {2}

02:11

Diablo-D3: Just remember I am not Paleo, and I will hunt you down and cover you with flower.

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and I will have you arrested for attempted murder and you will spend your days in prison

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6234 @ 0.00090666 = 5.6521 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 703 @ 0.00083097 = 0.5842 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00446 = 0.446 BTC [+]

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Diablo-D3: When rash ==murder maybe.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00089996 = 2.3399 BTC [-]

~ 24 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16391 @ 0.00090499 = 14.8337 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00090479 = 2.1715 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00090356 = 11.0234 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00090788 = 0.8171 BTC [+]

~ 44 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00090485 = 7.1483 BTC [-] {2}

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.bait

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http://31.media.tumblr.com/ee73effbf6d015f77c47cd03ba550ac7/tumblr_mld8f1pbJ01rp2wfyo1_500.jpg

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HAWT

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Bitch wants me to insure their BTC balances though doesn't want my niggers.txt. Loser?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6488 @ 0.00090242 = 5.8549 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12553 @ 0.00090134 = 11.3145 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00090597 = 21.8339 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00090134 = 6.039 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00090605 = 6.3424 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8588 @ 0.00090722 = 7.7912 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51509 @ 0.00090884 = 46.8134 BTC [+] {5}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4503 @ 0.00090974 = 4.0966 BTC [+]

05:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12197 @ 0.00090202 = 11.0019 BTC [-]

~ 19 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00090495 = 4.8867 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00090685 = 2.2671 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00090491 = 3.5291 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2485 @ 0.00090491 = 2.2487 BTC [-]

05:52

heavy trading in MPOE tonight

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10365 @ 0.00090638 = 9.3946 BTC [+] {2}

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGqZ-VHQVc

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The Curious incident of Big Poppa - The Notorious XX - Wait What - YouTube

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3985 @ 0.00091086 = 3.6298 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00090134 = 9.8246 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5715 @ 0.00090415 = 5.1672 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999994 = 0.25 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9068 @ 0.00090747 = 8.2289 BTC [+] {2}

06:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12862 @ 0.00091238 = 11.735 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2591 @ 0.00091695 = 2.3758 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138 @ 0.00091572 = 0.1264 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04999994 = 0.6 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0056 = 0.1456 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.61531686 = 7.9991 BTC [+] {7}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.645 = 7.74 BTC [+] {6}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11276 @ 0.00091504 = 10.318 BTC [-] {2}

07:30

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.11253783 = 11.2538 BTC [+] {25}

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02860175 = 0.3432 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.04899228 = 2.5476 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0286 = 0.572 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00091311 = 10.1355 BTC [-]

07:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00577253 = 0.4329 BTC [+] {3}

07:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.00288388 = 11.5355 BTC [+] {16}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00091437 = 2.0573 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00091278 = 5.4767 BTC [-]

07:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00579999 = 0.29 BTC [+] {3}

07:47

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04999993 = 0.65 BTC [+] {2}

07:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00091398 = 8.6371 BTC [+]

07:59

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3025 @ 0.0009161 = 2.7712 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 95 @ 0.00429 = 0.4076 BTC [+]

08:13

http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/

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BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia

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lol check out the slovaks having fun

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and we didn't even know the city exists!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16519 @ 0.00091246 = 15.0729 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63749999 = 2.55 BTC [-] {3}

08:19

city?

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hm ?

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64789999 = 1.2958 BTC [+] {2}

08:19

https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/26501000-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays

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0 people found this useful

08:19

Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk

08:20

<mircea_popescu> and we didn't even know the city exists! << which city you mean?

08:20

I personally did not find it useful. There were not pictures of clowns or anything colorful on that pr.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5124 @ 0.00090967 = 4.6611 BTC [-]

08:20

slovakia!

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lol

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KRS1 well that may have something to do with 0 people using mtgox you know.

08:21

They need more clowns.

08:22

truffles whatcha lolling at ? here's a fun fact : Slovakia : 18,933 sq miles (49,036 km²) ; LA : 33,954 sq mi (87,490 km2)

08:22

just because most of their city is undeveloped doesn't mean it's not a city now :D

08:22

ah yes. we have a joke about this

08:23

fico comes to china (he likes to go there) and they ask him: how many slovaks there are?

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"5 million"

08:23

wow omfg this is a romanian joke!

08:23

"And in which hotel do you stay?"

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hahaah

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i laugh with u mp

08:23

ok, check out the romanian variant :

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there's this ethnic group in romania, living in Oltenia (the south west), called olteni. they have a reputation of being sorta hillbilly-ish.

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so, one day these guys (about 2mn total) declare war to china.

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the chinese are kind-of shocked, spend about a week trying to find large enouygh maps so this Oltenia is shiwn on them

08:25

eventualy they discover it's a province of Romania and not even autonomous, so they tell their ambassador at Bucharest to go on a trip to Caracal and see what in the fuck.

08:25

"Hello nice people. Did you send us a declaration of war ?!"

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"Yes we did."

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"But why ?!"

08:25

"None of your business"

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"But do you realise the great nation of Han is over a billion strong ? That the US falls over itself to do whatever we tell them to ? That we can call under arms about a quarter billion people within two weeks ?"

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at which point the local troop is taken aback and they turn around to speak among themselves

08:27

"Hmm... so many chinese... where the fuck do we burry them all ?!"

08:27

so interesting

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heh

08:27

happens to be one of my favourite jokes :D

08:27

tho i guess it's an aquired taste.

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but don't worry, i'll tell it again so it becomes funny.

08:28

here goes :

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:D

08:28

look at u acknowledging differences

08:29

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-30/visa-s-scharf-says-traditional-payment-networks-trump-bitcoin.html?cmpid=yhoo

next ull be understanding what sarcasm is hmmm

08:29

chetty

08:29

Once the 3 quarter billion chinese are armed they should take out their communist government for a shot at some freedom.

08:30

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24588158/argentines-jockey-to-cope-with-economic-turmoil

08:30

"We don't trust anything anymore. Not even the banking institutions," Partcha said. "I had saved in dollars, and when the banks froze deposits in 2001, I got pesos back and lost my money."

08:30

KRS1 they really don't seem to want to.

08:30

they seem more inclined to take out the us socialist government.

08:30

chetty yeah we lolled all about it yest.

08:33

well, slovak (and i think other) policemen have similar problem, too

08:34

one comes home and wife tells him

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honey, i have a good message

08:34

i'm pregnant, we'll have 5th child

08:34

he replies: nooooooooooooo

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every 4th child is chinese!

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*5th

08:35

ahaha

08:35

so i take it slovak policemen go around in pairs because one can read, one can write, too, right ?

08:35

yes

08:36

turns out the slovaks invented all teh romanian jokes :D

08:36

:D

08:36

oh, that one is fav

08:37

it has alternate point

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"Because one never knows."

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lol

08:37

that one doesn't gramatically work in romanian.

08:37

how do you say it in slovak ?

08:37

Jeden nikdy nevie.

08:38

jeden being one ?

08:38

yes

08:38

what's den ?

08:38

den is day but that's unrelated

08:38

how do you say "i drink" ?

08:38

ja pijem

08:38

how do you say "she drinks me" ?

08:39

0.0

08:39

what, it's a transitive verb.

08:39

depends

08:39

ona ma pije

08:39

haha. depends. ok, how do you say "she drinks my drink" ?

08:39

but if you were to say she goes on my nerves, then

08:39

ona mi pije krv

08:40

she is drinking my blood

08:40

ja ma mi, so jenen is in fact "one". romanian doesn't have it. there's cineva = somebody, but there's no "one" as an impersonal Is person.

08:41

it's any impersonal person, not just 1st

08:41

myeah.

08:42

jeden nikdy nevie = nu se stie niciodata. a sti, to know, se stie is roughly the subjonctive. so the function is done by the verb rather than by a pronoun.

08:43

subjonctive: Is that franglais or sthg?

08:43

it's a mood, comes from latin

08:43

Cross between subjonctif and subjunctive. :)

08:43

english has it, very a ok, subjunctive then.

08:43

If I were you etc. not if I was you

08:44

if i was yous

08:44

Much more prevalent in French than English

08:44

yeah. english has it but it's mostly... unknown so to speak.

08:44

instead of learning slovakian, might want to start learning chinese

08:44

or english :D

08:44

i've yet to meet a sexy chinese woman.

08:44

wut

08:45

srs.

08:45

I have one for you, then tell me.

08:45

mircea_popescu: Dude.

08:45

what can i tell you!

08:45

millions of chinese, not one hot hmm

08:45

Mayne she's not 100% chinese, I shall summon her.

08:45

i don't go for the entire "hello my face is a pancake" thing

08:45

HAHA

08:45

KRS1: i agree, though, you can talk russian at suprising number of places

08:45

pancake? I think you have the wrong nationality

08:46

jurov the structure seems pretty russian really.

08:46

ignorance is bliss

08:46

neil compare and contrast : http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02650/xian_2650754b.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z1At_HUDfFI/UAYQ0yqTDuI/AAAAAAAAA2E/eKX426QljfU/s400/Tea_Leoni%2BJune_2005.jpg

08:47

Wow how tf did you pull that up in 10 secs

08:47

i have ppls working for me,

08:47

and i make them do the stupidest shit

08:47

lol

08:47

sweet life

08:48

i think entire retirements will consist of strictly cataloguing the insanity that went on back in this day.

08:48

Koreans have noticeably "flat" faces but not Chinese. I've met plenty hot Chinese women and I live in Japan. Maybe you should move to Asia :)

08:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8140 @ 0.00091695 = 7.464 BTC [+]

08:48

well sure. i don't propose the chinese are racially ugly.

08:49

i'm just sayin', ive not met the good ones.

08:49

mircea_popescu: I feel the same way you do on that. The bitch in this video is an exception I think.

08:50

Behold, your chinese dream woman.

08:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vldh7oQD-a4

08:50

George Michael - I Want Your Sex (Stereo Version) - YouTube

08:50

3:15 ftw

08:50

good song!

08:51

"This video contains content from VEVO. It is restricted from playback on certain sites."

08:51

Some Chinese gals are really good fun. Don't take life too seriously.

08:51

f'n a truffles.. He killed it in the 80's with that album, and other hits.

08:51

see, vevo ruins my sex prospects.

08:51

yea

08:51

anyway, lunch. love you all.

08:51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3AP26ywQsQ

08:51

George Michael - I Want Your Sex - YouTube

08:51

i dont think that girl is chinese

08:51

<3

08:51

ThickAsThieves, I was wondering..maybe she's a jap. I can never tell the difference with those people.

08:52

well, there's a difference. chinese=ugly, japanese=beautiful

08:52

80% of time Japanese / Chinese difference is clear. The 20% is a bitch.

08:52

koreans in between

08:52

0,0

08:52

pankkake: hmm..interesting. I need to look into this.

08:53

of course I'm trolly with the ugly/beautiful, but there is a certain truth to it :)

08:53

It's obvious 1 second after they start talking :)

08:53

which one is plastic surgery central

08:53

korea

08:53

right

08:54

i couldnt tell if woman was chinese, id lean towards no

08:56

Since when was Antonopoulos pronounced Antonopolis?

08:56

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3382 @ 0.00008885 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2}

09:00

she's Chinese!

09:00

http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/kathy-jeung-pictures.htm

09:01

pity the lemmings couldnt google hot chinese :D

09:01

althought i do find her weird looking

09:01

although*

09:01

elongated face

09:03

hi

09:03

.bait

09:03

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m80ezfEgEb1rbt81ko1_500.jpg

09:04

.bait

09:04

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9aio86YYf1qzqz2xo1_500.jpg

09:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091661 = 10.0827 BTC [-]

09:23

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0043 = 0.1075 BTC [+]

09:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00275146 = 0.1376 BTC [-] {5}

09:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6145005 = 1.229 BTC [-] {2}

09:32

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 56 @ 0.00415133 = 0.2325 BTC [-] {4}

09:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00092029 = 10.1388 BTC [+] {2}

09:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00588415 = 1.1768 BTC [+] {9}

09:55

http://i.imgur.com/AH4tzPc.gif

09:56

bitcointalk.org when MPOE-PR isn't around?

09:56

Mircea_popescu, Romania still frozen over?

09:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61050001 BTC [-]

09:57

jborkl it never was ? got a light coat, mebbe two inches

09:57

Duffer1 lol

09:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6105 BTC [-]

09:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61020507 BTC [-]

09:58

Oh , the news said Romania was in a deep freeze stopping the whole country

09:59

Typical news eh

09:59

i can take a shot out the window if you want, but basically it just snowed enough to be cute

10:00

then again, im in the part of romania where the fig tree grows wild.

10:00

must be reporters from Atlanta

10:00

they probably had some snow around the carpathians bend, but hey.

10:00

they do every year.

10:01

once i fell with my car into the snow, had to have it pulled out my a military truck

10:01

devthedev

Hey mircea_popescu

10:01

ello

10:02

I figured the news was wrong again, just interested to see how wrong :)

10:02

gotta "make it newsworthy" huh. the conspiracy of government and press.

10:04

devthedev

Nice to finally meet you mircea_popescu :P

10:04

haha cool.

10:04

Yeah, Romania had 1 inch of snow doesn't have the same rung

10:04

Ring

10:04

devthedev

I avoid the snow, I live in FL. lol

10:06

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16621 @ 0.0000907 = 1.5075 BTC [+] {7}

10:06

During the Spanish colonization of the Americas, the giant anteater was one of many native fauna taken to Europe for display. At first, Europeans believed all anteaters were female and mated with their noses.

10:06

there is nothing common about common sense.

10:11

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07500001 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}

10:11

ozbot!!

10:11

.bait

10:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00091661 = 1.7416 BTC [-]

10:13

.d

10:13

2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 858 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.6964% in 5d 3h 21m 44s

10:13

;;estimate

10:13

Next difficulty estimate | 2495218979.32 based on data since last change | 2588184152.17 based on data for last three days

10:15

apparently slovakia has a "Ordinary People and Independent Personalities" party.

10:15

that thing would so rock in the us...

10:15

everyone's an ordinary peopl and independent personality there.

10:16

oh, in every elections there's such crazy party

10:16

we had "Alliance of New Citizen"

10:17

"Party of Citizens' mutual understanding"

10:17

Freedom and Solidarity"

10:17

each of these actually got few MPs

10:18

what does it take for a mp seat, like 50k votes ?

10:18

yes, 5% of whatever many people come to vote

10:18

whoa

10:18

so like 12k ?

10:19

maybe

10:19

so start a faucet, become an mp.

10:19

even Fico's party is called "Direction - Social Democracy"

10:19

Azelphur

hahaha mp on bitcoin foundation

10:19

Azelphur

I'd vote for that

10:19

im not even kidding jurov. you absolutely should think seriously about it.

10:20

Slovak Bitcoin Party.

10:20

yes, i did think, easy way to get immunity from law

10:20

that's not even it.

10:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00091216 = 2.554 BTC [-]

10:20

if the time comes...

10:20

easy way to be fucking sensible, to counterbalance all the idiots speaking for bitcoin as if they had a clue

10:20

don't wait for "the time to come".

10:20

you got four years till the next elections and more dough than any other candidate.

10:20

wao-ender: ^^ do you read this?

10:21

you're ideally placed, make your move.

10:21

vot

10:21

the problem is, it's very hard to get activists with half a brain here

10:21

so get activists with a full brain.

10:21

hmm

10:21

what do you do this summer ?

10:21

tour the fucking city, talk to everyone.

10:22

you can bloody well walk all of slovenia in a summer.

10:22

i was involved in support of disabled people .. never again

10:22

forget "being involved". do. as in, for yourself, properly.

10:23

that was for myself, too. the stupidity was the problem

10:23

so, we are going setup party?

10:23

4 yo is plenty of time

10:23

this is definitely the best opportunity for anything like that you'll have

10:23

bitcoin appeals to intelligent, young, educated people.

10:23

^ ^ ^ yes.

10:23

nah, they went out long ago

10:23

hit it before some other fuckwit piggybacks on the name without any credential or a clue.

10:24

but, our market is well timed for that, in Czech, there are people try be supportive for Pirate parties..

10:24

everythin *will* end up on my back

10:24

bitcoin party is just one step ahead

10:24

because by 2018 it will be all "hello I'm Herp McDerp, I have 0.059876 btc in a webwallet, let me tell you all about Bitcoin"

10:24

:D

10:24

wao-ender: you know what crakpots attend progressbar

10:24

jurov: right, we rejected them

10:24

you'd have to deal with them

10:25

even rejection is dealing

10:25

they want used us in their politics program, like setup first PR at our space, tricksters.

10:26

wao-ender just negotiate with people. "o, you want to use us ? fine, but you must be naked while doing it" "o, you don't want to do naked pr ? ok, what else can you offer"

10:26

soon enough people come into line.

10:26

:D

10:26

yeah, that's how I selling bitcoins

10:26

lol

10:26

I just setup high price, when one is in the emergency, it will sell somehow..

10:27

there the situation is clear

10:27

but in politics, someone often comes to help

10:27

and them messes everything beyond repair

10:27

mircea_popescu: but, I will think about it, politics in our countyr will be open for new parties in year or next year after

10:27

so don't give them access to anything that's more dangerous than they're trustworthy.

10:28

mircea_popescu: because that Fico's party (SMER-SD) will loose it's managment when he moves to the president position afaik

10:28

wao-ender nothing comes of those who think about things, in my experience.

10:28

wao-ender: if you do know such trustworthy people, then i'll think about it

10:28

because i don't except for you

10:28

.. when I knew, he is second time premier, I knew best exit from politics is to be just two times president in a row.

10:29

or more properly said : you gotta think from the perspective "i am doing this, let me think how" rather than from the perspective "let me think if i will do this"

10:29

that latter approach never goes anywhere.

10:29

jurov: when this aim will be announced, I think some new comers will reveal from other circles

10:30

yes, that's what i'm talking about

10:30

what do you do with them? you can't give them any responsibility

10:31

you always can give someone responsibility. just tailor it.

10:31

oh, you need treat them like they are special in some way, in positive sense

10:31

make them copy down your party programme by hand for a week.

10:31

fuck i could have been a star of hearing disability HGO, run for MP, etc. I really was in national TV 2 times.

10:31

that's a responsibility.

10:31

*NGO

10:31

and not giving them full permissions, just little of them. They will just show you how they can manage responsibility with that little permissions

10:31

^

10:31

exactly like computers work.

10:32

then i found I dont; really have any support, just backstabbing

10:32

you're too emotional.

10:32

yes i know

10:32

who cares about all teh goats in the world.

10:32

and yes, you need to be cold, w/o any emotions at all.

10:33

often i imagine myself in a public dispute

10:33

only to realize i'd seriously offend most people involved

10:33

so ?

10:34

i like to speak too straight

10:34

oh, diplomatic speech is just all about training and clever words

10:34

*too emotional

10:34

just as long as you have a point, offending idiots is actually a net positive for you.

10:34

offend away.

10:35

but well, I'm marked as master troll in my circles, is that great way to start?

10:35

there are *all* idiots then... usually almost nobody gets my point

10:35

then your point needs working on, or perhaps the expression thereof.

10:36

jurov just consider this : for all you know i could be deaf and mute. i've never bothered to prop up whatever dumbass conferences they do, where various nobodies gather to pat each other's backs. i still dominate the field. how come ?

10:36

apparently this can be done.

10:36

way the fuck easier to do in a small country with a coherent culture, too.

10:36

just identify your target, tailor your message so it may understood and let it rip.

10:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5817 @ 0.00091216 = 5.306 BTC [-]

10:37

it's all about smart moves, not about PR. PR is for me just horizontal voice/notion about person

10:38

ah and yes, that's how social engineering works

10:38

it needs to be something that forces me to overcome my bad experience with leading people/explaining things to them

10:38

in last years, there are also some well paid marketers called "growth hackers" who are doing this fine :)

10:38

jurov who the fuck cares about your bad experiences.

10:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6823 @ 0.00091213 = 6.2235 BTC [-] {2}

10:39

*shrug*

10:39

yeah well see ? you can't become prisoner of your own bad experiences.

10:40

way too easy for others to hack you into inactivity, just by controlling that part.

10:40

you gotta be above it to be an independent agent.

10:40

obviously, easier said than done. but still.

10:41

Oh one thing, to be successful, you just need to be not negative, or passive agressive to someone.. that really sells your person

10:42

I just readed y'day mpoe-pr aproach to that strip bb, and other members was there like barking wolfes on her. I didnt expect that, well

10:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999993 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

10:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5285 @ 0.00091077 = 4.8134 BTC [-] {2}

10:44

all in all, what reward is there in trying to drag this nation into 21st century?

10:44

even fags abhor politicians on top of that

10:44

no, reward is there in you expressing yourself, and expressing this thing you believe in.

10:44

correctly.

10:45

Well, maybe I have propositions to do this at all

10:46

oh, i'm pretty undecided

10:46

wov

10:46

even in romanian wiki is there article about him

10:46

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matia_Corvin

10:46

Matia Corvin - Wikipedia

10:47

ya well, don't let too many opportunities pass you by while you're undecided, or else you'll end up old and bitter.

10:47

He even renamed Bratislava to Istropolis

10:47

wao-ender the guy is romanian you know.

10:47

born same city i was.

10:48

Oh, nice. I like his way, how he made it. When he was at top of kingdom, he turn on economic and culture bloom

10:48

One of my fav from history

10:48

not bad.

10:49

I like Tomas Bata. And he would not be able to do what he did from politics.

10:49

Bata was decades later, yes

10:50

We're kinda famous for him

10:50

like Bata's prices, .99c

10:50

but he was kinda emperor that times

10:50

:D

10:51

heh.. did you know he made an office in the elevator so that his employees would not waste time coimg nd going to him?

10:51

that building still stands in partizanske

10:51

anybody know why some log lines show up blank?

10:51

yeah, and he had office at each floor, afaik

10:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469060

10:51

#bitcoin-assets log

10:51

mike_c because assbot chokes on some special chars and kako does not want to fix it already!

10:51

ah

10:51

just do a ereg replace yo!

10:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21282 @ 0.00090917 = 19.349 BTC [-] {3}

10:51

yes, kako fails unicode

10:52

but back to Corvin, he made something really revolutionary. He brings University into Bratislava

10:52

Istropolitana was one of first in Europe, right?

10:53

btw, our hackerspace is near of Istropolitana :P ( Universitas Istropolitana )

10:53

ahm just first in Slovakia, whatever, :sad:

10:53

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universitas_Istropolitana

10:53

Universitas Istropolitana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:53

you know, the first european universities are in the 1200s

10:54

even the ottomans had one before 1500

10:54

yeah, I reading now about that, fixint my memories

10:56

heh, really huge battlefiedl for that times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_wars_of_Matthias_Corvinus_of_Hungary_(1458-1490).png

10:56

jurov wrong, unicode fails kako

10:56

۞ so, like, this line should be off the record.

10:56

no but srsly, just filter unknown chars out rather than drop the line

10:57

mike_c in 99% cases it's bullshit curly quotes that do it.

10:57

damn, didn't work

10:57

assbot can read chinese

10:57

i dont give a fuck for your phuny chars

10:57

“ off the record? “

10:58

see

10:58

grr

10:58

you cant even broke it

10:58

brake

10:58

brb coffee.

10:58

If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first, Lawsky said at the hearing.

10:58

If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first, Lawsky said at the hearing.

10:59

that statement is fundamentally "we're stupid, ignore us please".

10:59

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 13.00000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 32500 satoshi per share

10:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00090386 = 6.1462 BTC [-]

10:59

dang, i forgot to apply for my innovation permit.

11:00

the second line didnt make it to logs

11:00

mircea is a natural

11:01

no, i just know what to use

11:02

i think it depends on irc client. i don't think my client could even send anything that would break it.

11:02

it takes a retarded ny bureaucrat to generate the real good kludge

11:02

well irc endocings are bullshit

11:02

blarg

11:02

encodings

11:02

lol kakotype.

11:02

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1480 @ 0.00009146 = 0.1354 BTC [+]

11:03

mike_c how do you see or ?

11:03

cutn spell cunt tpye

11:03

bad ms curlyquotes.

11:03

blank and blank

11:03

https://www.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9C&complete=0 for the lolz.

11:03

broke google.

11:04

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00009191 = 0.2757 BTC [+] {4}

11:04

anyway, it's the E2809C/E2809D stuff

11:04

“ copy and paste ftw “

11:04

damn, see, my client converts it

11:04

lol

11:04

well yeah, cause you're running some noob sort of software that thinks it knows what you mean

11:04

yes

11:05

which... great for the retail market, tbh.

11:05

but here and now, we like total control so we can break srtuff.

11:05

stuff

11:05

don't opress my hacking!

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.0029212 = 0.1577 BTC [+]

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.606 = 3.03 BTC [-] {2}

11:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60002001 BTC [-]

11:08

http://i.imgur.com/WJPzZOE.png and yet, it's irssi, just expecting UTF-8. hm, make it's screen's fault

11:08

likewise, i saw just boxes with STS and CCM in them

11:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.602 = 1.806 BTC [+] {2}

11:09

not in the dejavu font, i guess

11:09

irssi, http://i.imgur.com/n2ACa46.png

11:09

can't you just set term to utf-8

11:09

screen has a bug and can't handle utf-8 with too many bytes

11:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00090386 = 6.3722 BTC [-]

11:10

what about tmux?

11:10

tmux doesn't have that issue, nor do latest screen git

11:10

re how do you see http://shrani.si/f/1f/Ky/3jgnsftR/howdoyousee.png

11:11

what's that font?

11:11

dunno

11:11

Font 1

11:11

"/set font 1

11:11

damn

11:11

settings sez Consolas 12

11:12

nice, thx, i'm gonna try it for a bit.

11:12

oooooh, curvy, sexy letters

11:13

:)

11:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999994 = 0.3 BTC [+]

11:14

lmao he's using irc in comic ms

11:14

http://31.media.tumblr.com/54175bb847860b25d6424eb31fc34cf2/tumblr_mfnhriiDvE1r600xqo1_500.jpg

11:15

who?

11:15

you.

11:15

sure

11:15

nubbins is on my and i havent banned him.

11:15

my = nac

11:15

mac

11:15

fuck.

11:16

what about Microsoft Chat?

11:16

doesnt have that font.

11:16

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/MsComicChat.png

11:18

hm?

11:18

it there some nigger joke in there?

11:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00596699 = 6.5637 BTC [-]

11:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0009019 = 5.682 BTC [-]

11:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 813 @ 0.0009019 = 0.7332 BTC [-]

11:22

I see it like this

11:22

(11:03:11 AM) mircea_popescu: mike_c how do you see ? or ? ?

11:22

yes, ? marks

11:24

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5225 @ 0.00009199 = 0.4806 BTC [+]

11:25

so on the good news front, eulora has all the skill / levelling / training stuff working and i'm quite happy with the system we use.

11:25

in fact, i'd say it kicks all ass.

11:25

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3007 @ 0.000092 = 0.2766 BTC [+] {2}

11:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00089922 = 8.093 BTC [-] {3}

11:25

hopefully sometime next week a crafting v0.4 is out.

11:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00596699 = 0.3103 BTC [-]

11:26

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13500 @ 0.00009299 = 1.2554 BTC [+]

11:28

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC

11:29

asciilifeform: i'd like to read your proof that the us hedge funds are all little madoffs

11:29

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3761 @ 0.0000949 = 0.3569 BTC [+]

11:29

!l m s.mg

11:29

Last trade for S.MG on MPEX was at 0.000138 BTC [+]

11:29

!l m s.nsa

11:29

Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00017 BTC [+]

11:30

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4700 @ 0.000095 = 0.4465 BTC [+]

11:31

any plans on updating git?

11:32

mike_c yeah.

11:32

someone else wanted to do a platform compile, or actually i think multiple people.

11:33

yeah, cross-compiling early is usually a good idea. especially when you get other people to do it.

11:33

indeed.

11:34

so it's git? in my mind it was svn

11:35

im clueless so i just use these to mean the same thing.

11:35

in my mind he just asked me if compilable code is to be published

11:36

they are on github

11:37

https://github.com/Chettie/Eulora-client

11:37

https://sharedcoin.com/

11:37

Shared Coin - Free Trustless Bitcoin Mixing

11:37

seems piuk made a something.

11:39

course as described the model's got nothing on bitbet, but hey.

11:40

bitbet as mixer

11:40

wow

11:41

d'oh ?

11:42

things are never apparent to me mp

11:42

words of one syllable etc

11:43

since you can by design make zero-delta bets, and since the fee is 1%... bitbet is partly the reason why mixer services sort-of died last year, i'd guess.

11:45

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000951 = 0.4755 BTC [+]

11:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00089897 = 16.7658 BTC [-] {2}

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.58347561 = 23.339 BTC [-] {8}

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13149997 BTC [+]

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.24310363 = 24.3104 BTC

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61499997 = 2.46 BTC [+]

11:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61499999 BTC [+]

11:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8205 @ 0.00090213 = 7.402 BTC [+] {2}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 62 @ 0.04790151 = 2.9699 BTC [+] {8}

12:00

;;tslb

12:00

Time since last block: 5 minutes and 26 seconds

12:00

.d

12:00

2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 847 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.6058% in 5d 1h 51m 59s

12:00

i'm excited. my robot is coming soon.

12:00

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/583/808/54cf94358caafe380451e77f05694191_large.JPG?1391181969

12:00

what's it do ?

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999997 = 0.25 BTC [+]

12:01

whatever i tell it to! raspberry pi driven. has camera, distance sensor.

12:01

aha

12:01

and what, carry stuff up to 2 oz ?

12:02

carrying stuff will not be its forte.

12:02

push buttons ?

12:03

hm. vimeo is choking. i think this the link:

12:03

http://vimeo.com/85309981

12:05

RAPIRO: The cool robot you always wanted as a kid on Vimeo

12:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQynsVZx5Pk

12:06

RAPIRO: The cool robot you always wanted as a kid - YouTube

12:06

i just want a robot that follows me to the grocery store and back

12:06

4 wheels would be sufficient, but 1 would be more impressive

12:06

how about a realdoll robot with nice legs

12:07

who can run 60 mph and still romance you with a delicious dinner

12:08

and at your command go fuck up a group of thugs who insulted yo mama

12:08

so some kid in sierra leone hacks into it and it dropkicks you to oblivion ?

12:08

uhhhh..heh.

12:09

this looks so clean http://31.media.tumblr.com/862967f8c3629b6d53aaa1c77ffd2ea7/tumblr_mf5d8rpJeP1rkz0rco1_1280.jpg

12:09

hey I know her

12:12

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sexy-girls-in-short-shorts-4.jpg?w=500&h=750

12:18

wao-ender http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Matia_din_Cluj btw.

12:20

23.2. will have his bday

12:21

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02751006 = 0.4402 BTC [-] {3}

12:21

but well, I think you have lot of interesting things there to know

12:21

I have on my plan that way to stop at Nikola Teslas museum as well

12:22

there's one in Romania?

12:22

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 122 @ 0.02712507 = 3.3093 BTC [-] {10}

12:22

i was in the Belgrade one

12:23

i was in the belgrade one too

12:23

wasn't really all that much... more the name than anything

12:24

yes, only a small house

12:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0027658 = 1.3829 BTC [-] {14}

12:25

they ran a film document, one tesla coil with live demonstration and few artifacts

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62499899 = 1.875 BTC [+] {2}

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00292525 = 0.468 BTC [+] {7}

12:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC

12:43

b.mine

12:44

valentines day scams

12:46

idea: mobile ASIC mine that leeches on Tesla charging stations

12:47

ahahahaa

12:47

you could have a modified tesla.

12:47

lol we had similar idea to hook them to trolleybuses here

12:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15390 @ 0.00091192 = 14.0344 BTC [+] {2}

12:47

hash'n'crash

12:48

it could even hash while you drive to the next one

12:48

have to pause it to get up hills tho

12:48

free heating too

12:49

pity tesla doesn't do RVs

12:49

yeah

12:49

Im curious to see about this new car of theirs

12:49

tesla does log energy usage, they'd discover any major leeching

12:49

you could solve the retirement problem. just give everyone a tesla rv with hashing gear.

12:49

on the other hand, old trams.trolleybuses do not

12:49

jurov yeah they do. at the feed station.

12:50

that's basically how they know if a line is down

12:50

yes, but's much less detailed

12:51

if tesla car consistently reports 20% shorter battery life, that's fishy

12:52

im curious who's the first person to have an exploded tesla battery/chemical fire

12:52

and sue them.

12:53

coinbase has not sent out my bitcoins after 3 hours...

12:53

guess they need to wait for price to fall a bit more

12:54

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.00438 = 0.1489 BTC [-] {2}

12:55

$depth X.eur

12:55

mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945']

12:55

mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1200 @ 0.00168772', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975']

12:55

has it been dropping ?

12:56

no, getting sideways

12:56

less than 1% since i initiated

12:56

but still, it's bitcoin, why do i have to wait

12:56

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912.html

12:56

TSA Agent Confession - POLITICO Magazine

12:57

"Dear America, I Saw You Naked

12:57

And yes, we were laughing. Confessions of an ex-TSA agent."

12:57

http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=X.EUR , switch to month

12:57

aha

12:57

abstract arts.

12:58

but nice narrowing

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.24986506 BTC to 218 shares, 114617 satoshi per share

13:00

"I was even required to confiscate nail clippers from airline pilots—the implied logic being that pilots could use the nail clippers to hijack the very planes they were flying."

13:01

"In private, most TSA officers I talked to told me they felt the agency’s day-to-day operations represented an abuse of public trust and funds."

13:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00091812 = 31.262 BTC [+] {3}

13:03

this is unlike any bureaucrat ever working for any bureaucy in any government in any country ever ?

13:03

ask anyone, from the post office to whatever you wish.

13:04

"At the conclusion of our crash course, one of the officers in our class asked him to tell us, off the record, what he really thought about the machines. 'They’re shit,' he said"

13:04

"It was just a temporary thing, I told myselfside income for a year or two as I worked toward a degree in creative writing. It wasnt like a recession would come along and lock me into the job or anything." i wonder how many losers currently are hiding this from themselves with the pretense to "creative writing" aspirations.

13:04

(Rapiscan)

13:05

"I.O. room duty quickly devolved into an unofficial break. It was the one place in the airport free of surveillance cameras"

13:07

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.027 = 0.405 BTC [-]

13:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]

13:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17271 @ 0.00091861 = 15.8653 BTC [+]

13:08

"Officers who were dating often conspired to get assigned to the I.O. room at the same time, where they analyzed the nude images with one eye apiece, at best."

13:08

"All the old, crass stereotypes about race and genitalia size thrived on our secure government radio channels."

13:08

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429315308973588481

13:08

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Jas0nHarringt0n You're not ...

13:08

hopefully he takes the gist of it and offs himself.

13:09

they asked for dosimeters and were denied too

13:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

13:10

you know what ? it came out at nurnberg that most of the nazis working for the jew extermination agencies were trying to do a good job.

13:10

plenty of them were aspiring writers, too. just... you know, needed the dough.

13:10

god forbid they go hungry.

13:10

important people, these.

13:18

the guy ended up getting a scholarship

13:18

and quitting

13:19

quitting the TSA*

13:21

TSA - come for the security theater, stay because we can't end the program during an employment crisis

13:24

re: telsa fire. this video caused a stir stateside a few months ago:

13:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kjI08n4fg

13:24

Tesla car on fire - YouTube

13:25

apparently the batteries don't do well when pierced from the bottom by road debris

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC

13:29

you guys

13:30

i got a pump up video

13:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZthKY5P_9Rk

13:30

[DOGE] xX_D0G3C0IN_Xx - YouTube

13:30

you can all watch this and pace back and fourth in your basements

13:31

or we can ignore anything with doge in it

13:33

mike_c obviously. a ton and a half lithium battery is a fucking hazard of the 1st degree

13:34

not that they won't get good at it with practice, just... i dun wanna be the practice.

13:35

mircea_popescu's waiting for the power-seat in the back china tesla edition

13:36

ThickAsThieves yeah, and if satan gives him a scholarship next he's gonna spend a year or two warming tar.

13:36

and then try to leech some more money off of it by writing a book about what an asshole he was for THAT stretch of his life.

13:36

http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/08/08/tesla-model-s-will-have-an-executive-back-seat-in-china/

13:37

Tesla Model S will have an “executive back seat” in China | CarNewsChina.com - China Auto News

13:37

when did "executive" become "luxury" i wish to know.

13:40

we're all ceo's nao

13:42

ceo of pleb.com

13:43

o thats actually a site

13:43

nvm

13:43

about a third of people I require to sign messages with their wallet for ID, don't send the message, only the sig

13:44

at least they know what a bitcoin address is.

13:45

what's worse is friedcat pretty much never requires signed transfers anymore

13:46

i dont know whether open requests are scammers or people Friedcat just ignored

13:46

scammers just never follow up I guess

13:46

><

13:46

so basically the brilliance of asicminer has by now ensured the entire thing is an utter mess

13:47

only took 9 months, too.

13:47

ain't working with responsible, competent people a fucking blessing.

13:47

lol

13:53

surprisingly, there are no cases of "Friedcat stole my shares!" tho

13:54

not until the scammors start figuring out the hole.

13:55

i take extra measures to make sure i cant be impersonated

13:55

lol good one, i needed a dbl tacke

13:55

sorry pankkake

13:55

of course this assumes friedcat cares...

13:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8873 @ 0.00091604 = 8.128 BTC [-]

13:55

srsly ? ThickAssThieves, ThickAsThievs, everything all taken ?

13:56

for one, i dont use forums for biz at all anymore

13:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15814 @ 0.00091708 = 14.5027 BTC [+] {2}

13:58

so you figure this does anything ?

13:58

think about it : to the average tard, whether you're one of the 500 scammers named after you or not makes no diff.

13:58

he still deals with you on the forum, whether you know of this or not.

13:58

well its not all i do

13:58

one fine day they'll hold a vote about whether you should pay for it anyway

13:59

(yea i understand, just making a point)

14:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0057001 = 0.3591 BTC [-] {5}

14:04

lol

14:04

bitcoin is all scammers

14:05

angry greedy nerds

14:07

the nouveau riche arent known for their poise

14:08

lol

14:08

exactly

14:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00091334 = 16.9425 BTC [-] {3}

14:20

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 193 @ 0.00084999 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2}

14:21

midnightmagic

ThickAsThieves: +1

14:25

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02650833 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2}

14:25

2 years ago I had to work, now people are working hard very hard for me :)

14:26

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 159 @ 0.00420804 = 0.6691 BTC [-] {4}

14:26

thats how the cookie crumbles

14:26

thats how the bitcoin crumbles

14:26

:D

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 70 @ 0.00390028 = 0.273 BTC [-] {2}

14:27

wait werent you running something on glbse

14:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00091174 = 11.1688 BTC [-] {3}

14:29

ok ok

14:30

hoho, this one is nice and easy

14:30

>I guess I will answer the best I can. It is really about being in the right place at the right time. I have done really well and also lost my ass in the past. I have pretty much been involved in just about anything BTC related that was not an obvious scam, and some that where.

14:30

guess who

14:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]

14:30

goat?

14:30

bingo

14:31

lol

14:31

goat's been trying real hard to come out as if he's trustworthy, past all forgotten etc.

14:32

omg haha its gets better.

14:32

>That Lambo is not really a significant part of my investment portfolio. I did it when I did cuz of Greenspan saying he could not see any "intrinsic value" in BTC. So I was like fuck it, people don't care about intrinsic value, they care about shit like Lambos. Did it for the PR.

14:33

derp.

14:33

he should hook me up with a couple btc

14:33

for the pr

14:34

i also accept lambo

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]

14:34

i think one of the reasons he change his forum name like 5 times is to help to cut the ties to scams

14:35

yes kakobrekla I was running something on glbse

14:35

and later I was running some new assets on Bitfunder

14:35

aha aha, classic.

14:35

any plans for ciphertrade?

14:36

no cryptostock either?

14:36

no cryptostocks or havelock

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02603447 = 0.755 BTC [-] {5}

14:38

well, if you picked your exchanges at random, theres a good chance one of them would still be online, makes you think if you went for the shittiest deliberately

14:39

<kakobrekla> i think one of the reasons he change his forum name like 5 times is to help to cut the ties to scams << you tihnk ?!

14:39

or split personality, what do i know

14:39

and yes,

14:39

i think,

14:39

and it hurts.

14:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8771 @ 0.00090864 = 7.9697 BTC [-]

14:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

14:41

think with the other head alternatively

14:41

lower load, cooler cpu...

14:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [-]

14:44

benkay: where did you get this from? Writing options and providing the required collateral puts those options into the pool from which a counterparty is randomly selected during an exercise event.

14:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

14:45

you really think mpex throws dice every time someone exercises an option?

14:45

would be fun, tho :D

14:47

mpex + JD = more excitement

14:49

yeah until you can't get your money out

14:50

i don't get it. which of those do you have trouble getting money out of?

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20618 @ 0.000097 = 1.9999 BTC [+]

14:58

this is a point, no large dice site crashed and burned so far.

14:59

http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/Options-and-MPOE maybe i'll try to improve it, but it's basically done

14:59

props for a good model.

14:59

MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions

15:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00091609 = 14.3212 BTC [+] {2}

15:01

all models are wrong

15:01

but some are useful, they say.

15:02

jurov : "This process is not visible to the collateral holder in the course of the month."

15:02

this changed meanwhile.

15:02

heh.. so the collateral in stat output changes as exercises are done?

15:02

yep

15:02

thanks for link jurov. good post, i will be bookmarking for the six times a week i forget how to calculate the profit on those.

15:03

lol

15:03

jurov it all started with mike_c being a little bitch.

15:03

hehe

15:03

but it really went downhill once he actually had a point

15:03

it took mysterious other parties to convince him there was a point.

15:05

well i don't listen to noobs.

15:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC

15:06

four more months i think until my 1 year bitcoin-assets birthday.

15:07

i'd like to see the arguments :D

15:07

o hey. throwing a party ?

15:07

kako won't come to the us

15:08

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02699999 = 0.162 BTC [+]

15:08

jurov you know, about once a meeting the idea surfaces that "we shouild just film this. itcould be a movie"

15:08

cause he still has a fart worth of sanity left.

15:08

kako doesn't want his tics felt up ?

15:09

The Sanitary Fartworth, an Illustrated Book of Sayings.

15:09

;;later tell nubbins` ^

15:09

The operation succeeded.

15:09

jurov: from mircea_popescu himself

15:09

that should go over well

15:09

the, the customs will be like "dude, i won the bet but you paid less than i sent, come with me for a sec"

15:09

lmao

15:09

dunno how would one film this. people sitting in front of monitor, grinning?

15:09

with short cut from bildercoin meeting

15:10

jurov it's usually irl.

15:10

gotta be able to brandish things at people or else what sort of an argument is it.

15:11

ah well there is a mistake in there isn't it - the way i understand the selection to work is that an exercise hits everyone who underwrote proportionately to the fraction of outstanding contracts that they wrote

15:11

oh yes then.i'd really like to see the cherry truck selection meeting

15:11

we were drunk.

15:11

you guys

15:11

more info aon gash.io?

15:11

legit or not?

15:11

but jurov it is true that just writing an option puts it into the pool that can be exercised against

15:12

Dimsler_ seems legit.

15:12

big ass bait: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8jcvoJgKU1qkwo4to1_1280.jpg

15:12

and also mike_c jurov commissioned the m3 from me

15:12

so if i buy 100g/hash

15:12

from them

15:12

it pays me every 25blocks

15:12

?

15:12

brb

15:12

you mean gHash.io or gash.io ?

15:12

never heard of gash.

15:13

https://www.cex.io/#GHS-BTC

15:13

these guys

15:13

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439399.msg4861912#msg4861912

15:13

well

15:13

[SOLB-SOL] Sollar Bond World's First Crypto-Bond [PRE-SALE THREAD]

15:13

its not a scam, as scuh.

15:13

them fightin words

15:13

such

15:13

cex.io peopl have been bitching about but i've not heard something subsytantive.

15:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1267 @ 0.000918 = 1.1631 BTC [+]

15:17

it's pre-sale, much trouble

15:17

they probably don't even have the mining gear yet

15:18

mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/you-can-raise-it-but-you-cant-spend-it/ myep.

15:18

a review of the complete count of all bitcoin companies to date, and their spending patters may reveal that this is like ... the only 2 out of about 300 to do this.

15:19

yes. the20year is going to be on the wrong side of that unfortunately.

15:19

actually, benkay, you still looking for fun shit to do ?

15:19

how about you make the complete list of all bitcoin companies ever.

15:19

all of them.

15:19

i have been saying same since 2012

15:19

oh god

15:19

heh

15:19

but ppl are like "DIVERSIFY YOU IDIOT"

15:19

kakobrekla i'm stealing it.

15:20

benkay no, srlsly, it's a great thing to do, if it's complete.

15:20

mircea_popescu: will you commission that?

15:20

wow. big bait. much ass.

15:20

how much comission do you want /

15:20

http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html << lol he ran off with it.

15:21

Mix your coins for 1% - Bitbet as Mixer

15:21

suppose i just don't charge you for teh info ? :D

15:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6248 = 3.124 BTC [-] {2}

15:21

i dont think its even possible to do complete list

15:21

you have a list?

15:21

sort-of.

15:22

benkay suppose i give you the half-bitcoin i have leftover from the painting thing ? but srsly, do it thoroughly, don't leave anything out.

15:22

mighty nebulous criteria sir

15:22

whyssat ?

15:23

benkay: Here is a great list to get started: http://www.bitcoin-tools.de/links.html

15:23

nono

15:23

i mean strictly public comps

15:23

things that ever took investment from the public.

15:23

so basically trawl bitcointalk/investments back to 2010 or w/e

15:23

2009.

15:24

yeah

15:24

curl grep ipo

15:24

this is a good idea yeah.

15:24

mhm

15:24

im sure people with history will volunteer names to fill gaps

15:24

what, is this a list or a review of each individual scam!?

15:24

and just, name, what it supposedly did, when it opened, who run it, when it closed, other notes etc.

15:25

well obviously a pankkake-style list isn't too helpful

15:25

you need glbse

15:25

and everything that went aside exchanges

15:25

no glbse archive?

15:26

some twerps (goat, etc) deleted their posts, obviously.

15:26

usagi ran like... 6 things ?

15:26

anyway, it seems like an ungodly amount of work

15:26

it does.

15:26

but it'd also yield a reference point.

15:26

ok i have this crazy and mostly useless thing one sec

15:27

plus, doesn't have to be complete to publish. start with recent ones and work backwards.

15:27

start with old ones and work forwards. much better.

15:27

i'd rather work forwards

15:27

harder though

15:27

with recent ones all the scum will have an incentive to argue about shit.

15:27

with old stuff... they won't even notice.

15:28

;;calc .5/300

15:28

0.00166666666667

15:28

perhaps do it somewhere others can contribute

15:28

history is written ad urbe condita not last superbowl backwardsia.

15:28

this practically is a complete list of current:

15:28

http://bitcoinscammers.com/

15:28

Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)

15:28

you can contribute by emailing me, pankkake ;)

15:29

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/tickers.txt

15:29

this adds a procrastination layer

15:29

mike_c: too bad it's not listified

15:29

kakobrekla dafuck is that ?

15:31

mircea_popescu: so the IPO/bitcoin investment model is similar to the trading style where you want to increase your bitcoin instead of fiat (in hopes to buy back lower)?

15:31

that hash is md5($exchange.$asset)

15:31

the numbers is the last price at which the asset traded

15:31

In other words, the companies seeking investment would have to purchase their goods/services in bitcoin in order to do this.

15:31

can you unhash it ?

15:31

no

15:31

:D

15:31

lol

15:32

was not ment to beunhashed

15:32

halpful.

15:32

hashful

15:32

KRS1 hm ?

15:32

well you can guess

15:32

benkay: its paginated. bitcoinscammers.com/page/3/ bitcoinscammers.com/page/4/, etc

15:32

yes dude, and if we don't recall a fucking name we just sit here hashing letters like idjits

15:32

MPEX.S.MPOE or something

15:32

shouldn't be hard to brute force actually, not many chars

15:32

well

15:32

you can see how many you are missing

15:32

this is a point

15:33

you know i said it was crazy and useless

15:33

so fuck off

15:33

so you did eh.

15:33

i thought you were being sarcastic

15:33

no no.

15:33

go ask fluffles to teach you sarcasm.

15:34

should be fairly quick to bruteforce this

15:34

mircea_popescu: given the "ungodly" amount of work involved i think perhaps 2 btc

15:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

15:34

#bitcoin-assets : your daily source of insane ways to spend all your free time for great justice.

15:34

heh

15:34

benkay im not rly hiring you to do it tho, think of it as mostly volunteer work.

15:34

not too far off

15:35

s/volunteer/slave/

15:35

lol

15:35

and dont forget to put it in niggers.txt on the end.

15:35

lol

15:35

In reference to "You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It". Whats wrong with a company sticking to their business plan, soliciting for $X amount of funds, receiving it in bitcoin, converting it to fiat? Then the proper execution of the business plan can take place with the investment model of using bitcoins for funding. If the value of bitcoins goes up or down, it does not matter. The

15:35

company seeking investment isn't buying their goods/services in bitcoin and they've properly funded their venture. If they cannot meet their goals using the solicited funds thats another problem entirely.

15:36

KRS1 the entire thing revolves around the empirical observation that companies which did not spend their ipo funds outperformed companies that did spend them, without exception.

15:36

the problem is that the company is then competing with the BTC/fiat ROI

15:36

this is ultimately a problem of btc, of course, but still. financial analysis is what it is.

15:36

And if the market price tanked without rebounding?

15:37

well then that'd be exactly the reverse

15:37

hence "empirical" in my line.

15:37

if you want to short BTC there are better ways than investing in one of these companies.

15:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC

15:37

if you invest in a bitcoin company, somehow you're also thinking bitcoin will do well, right?

15:37

pankkake depends if the company is btc or not.

15:37

good point pankkake

15:38

mircea_popescu: recommended donation for public service: 0.006 btc/security unearthed

15:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC

15:39

also an interesting note: the oldest posts on the securities forum on bitcointalk are from like march. was there a db restore in which btctalk dropped all date information or something?

15:39

what ?!

15:39

maybe the section did not exist

15:39

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8167.0

15:39

SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company

15:39

one of the first.

15:39

and it was on a more generic one

15:39

yeah, just Marketplace

15:39

there's also something run by uhhh... what was his name, the weirdo indian guy

15:40

and some shitty thing run by i forget who. those were the first three.

15:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5033 @ 0.0009111 = 4.5856 BTC [-]

15:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5417 @ 0.00091747 = 4.9699 BTC [+]

15:42

If I'm an investor in a company using bitcoin and the day after my investment, bitcoin market price shoots upward and remains high, it kind of sucks I'm still investor X having invested only btc $Y.

15:43

btw benkay re mixing, there is no g uarantee you will not get your own coins back

15:43

However dividends paid out would make it equal i suppose.

15:43

Unless dividends paid are always in fiat based on btc investd.

15:43

kakobrekla there is however a guarantee a third party can't establish they're your coins.

15:44

KRS1 you have 1 btc. you invest it. company trades it for 100 dollars, buys a hooker. the hooker makes 10 dollars a week.

15:44

your share yields .1 BTC a week, and thus is worth w/e .1 * riskfreerate comes to.

15:45

tomorrow btc goes to 10k. now your share yields .01 BTC a week, thus is worth 1/10 what it was.

15:45

do we give out certificates or guarantees?

15:45

one can see it as a weird bet

15:45

kakobrekla but suppose you go bet, and put in an address.

15:46

now, you know that that's your address, but someone looking in doesn't.

15:46

maybe you put obama's address in as a prank.

15:46

obama will have trouble.

15:46

well so then.

15:47

it gives clues and if futher investigation happens you can be out of luck

15:47

so the guarantee isnt there

15:47

in this sense, the clue given is no different from the clue of "we don't like your face very much"

15:47

it's not a clue, it's purely arbitrary.

15:48

arbitrary clue.

15:48

police uses shrinks

15:48

why wouldnt they bitbet.

15:48

i'm saying they wouldn't ?!

15:48

ok chief of the universe.

15:49

lol how did i get mixed into this

15:49

I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING

15:49

"Further more there is no company behind Sollar Bonds. As stated it is an Open-Sourced Dac with a Social Contract attached to each bond. Google social contract. Sollar Bonds is not a company it is a DAC-DAO."

15:49

awww, so close to it being a herp-derp!

15:50

what is dac dao

15:50

;;google DAC-DAO

15:50

Dac Dao Tran | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/dacdao.tran>; Ho Dac Dao: <http://hodacdao.com/>; ky niem lop k16- Phan vien Mien Nam - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYRIFg5A5Y>

15:50

decentralized autonomous corporation and the other I don't know

15:50

i got a Dấu hiệu của người sắp đắc đạo - Thực Dưỡng

15:51

pankkake "o i know, we'll rename mpex shit and pretend like we matter". gotta love the kids.

15:51

no, it's worse

15:51

obviously.

15:51

"we'll copy [what we understand]"

15:52

"Sollars is private, its distributed, and its privately distributed with no central points of failure BUT a central point of value and accountability (our company & community)"

15:52

it's worser

15:52

lol

15:53

this promises to be better than dmc.

15:54

just curious, do preorder schemes apply for that list?

15:54

they should i tihnk.

15:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.624999 BTC [+]

15:54

;;later tell RBRubicon dude seriously, fix that connection.

15:54

The operation succeeded.

15:56

"This creation of a new city, piled on top of the massive tribute owed to the Persians, as well as the necessary donative to the army to secure its acceptance of his accession, meant Philip was desperately short of money. To pay for it, he ruthlessly increased levels of taxation, while at the same time he ceased paying subsidies to the tribes north of the Danube that were vital for keeping the peace on the frontiers."

15:56

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.027 = 1.08 BTC [+] {2}

15:57

you know... it occurs to me the us is so utterly out of moneyz, it's actually running short on stuff to pay its allies.

15:57

luckily our tribes to the north are vital for only maple syrup

15:57

>US pays allies

15:58

lol.

15:58

yeah, but the tribes in the midwest...

15:59

afghanistan gdp is nominally 18bn, of which ~3bn direct us deposits.

16:00

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2503.0

16:00

Bitcoin in China

16:01

Nefario: "I'm in China, English teacher, slow/poorish Ruby webdev programmer."

16:01

anyway, usaid economic support went 8-7-5bn 2009-2011

16:02

lol benkay i thought you were joking.

16:05

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Philipnote.jpg << anyone guess how old this thing is ?

16:05

mircea_popescu re asset list, grep the old assets logs to compile one, you should be able to get full glbse there

16:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

16:05

most of the rest is still obtainable

16:06

kakobrekla interesting idea, lessee.

16:06

one'll have to check the benkay's list thoroughly, if he does it.

16:06

i just found he divided MPEx into 10 billion shares instead of 1b

16:06

zing.

16:06

>.<

16:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]

16:07

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012

16:07

this looks promising.

16:08

irc logs?

16:08

yea

16:08

like 2 days after chan was created

16:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00090891 = 7.7712 BTC [-] {3}

16:09

he so slow.

16:09

lol

16:09

the week otc died

16:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

16:10

(mind if he would be a month late, it would be the month that otc died)

16:11

^

16:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0029 = 0.1392 BTC [-]

16:16

That sucks. I'd rather invest fiat in a company for non variable returns.

16:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-]

16:16

or btc I suppose

16:16

ponzi has non variable returns

16:16

you mean you want a bitcoin CD?

16:17

I'd rather not receive dividends in btc I suppose..Value is subject to market price.

16:17

well if you want a fiat CD i'm pretty sure those are available..

16:17

Oh so the real sex here is that the btc can be worth many timees what it is..I suppose it can go the other way too.

16:19

http://dpaste.com/1579433/

16:19

dpaste: #1579433

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00596698 = 0.2685 BTC [+] {2}

16:19

295

16:19

kako & mp saves the day.

16:20

[SATOSHISDAEMON.HORSE] must have been a winner

16:20

nah, it was a filly never ran

16:20

she just didn't like running, the owners said.

16:20

the stakes were high, err, i mean tasty.

16:20

anyway, plenty of old assets never traded

16:20

like the aforementioned skepsi

16:21

cmon i thought that was pretty funny

16:21

:p

16:21

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JnxM_vuAsuY/Tzbk6hagwbI/AAAAAAAAAho/5p5kBwiWw54/s1600/sd.jpg

16:21

shit, this only goes to march 2013

16:21

i wonder if that horse ever saw a stable

16:21

or was it just down

16:22

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 26 @ 0.00446998 = 0.1162 BTC [+]

16:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999994 = 0.75 BTC [+]

16:22

it ran twice

16:22

hehe, first race it placed last

16:23

and last race, he places first,

16:23

two lasts iirc so it went off to be a trail^Wglue horse

16:23

in stakehouse.

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 74 @ 0.00446998 = 0.3308 BTC [+]

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.624999 = 1.25 BTC [+]

16:23

I had a peice of that

16:23

actually not a bad model

16:24

horses ?

16:24

selling crappy racehorses?

16:24

yeah if you hav someone competent.

16:24

I've got a buddy who owns racehorses actually.. hmm

16:24

is he a btc buff ?

16:24

learning

16:24

you know, bitcoin means "to be a horse" in slovene

16:25

hahaha

16:25

are the glbse assets on that list?

16:25

yes, but hang a second, it's incomplete yet.

16:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]

16:27

it's funny cuz it's true :) "biti konj" ?

16:27

http://dpaste.com/1579444/ <

16:27

dpaste: #1579444

16:28

470, but a whole bunch of mpex options etc.

16:28

mhm

16:28

[OBSI.HRPT] << look at that lol

16:28

possibly the cleanest scammer to date.

16:29

that's not a canonical list though, right? there are other 'security' trading operations not reporting trades in -assets-trades, correct?

16:29

benkay everything that ever actually traded since april 2012 till today is in that list, except bitfunder stuff cause Ukyo never got with the program.

16:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00596696 = 0.1492 BTC [-]

16:30

so you'd need to add bitfunder, pre-2012 crap (since may 2011, on the forum) and that'd be about it

16:30

oof

16:30

much work

16:30

such doge!

16:31

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3370.msg54804#msg54804

16:31

Looking for co-investor(s) for credit rating and bail bond system

16:31

glbception

16:32

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.000848 = 0.2968 BTC [-]

16:32

mhm

16:33

anyway, the true value one receives from completing this monstrous task is attaining a knowledge equal only to the gods themselves.

16:33

no shit.

16:34

tbh making this list, by hand, would be the qualification for being a bitcoin financial analyst. this is the certificate, like in the old days of the guilds,

16:34

"go build a boat"

16:34

let us rejoice we still live in a time when it's humanly possible, and it doesn't even take a full year

16:34

as opposed to the burdened world of fiat, where useless substitutes take four years+ and deliver no actual value.

16:34

yes mike_c , biti konj

16:35

but you say it bit koin

16:35

dont ask.

16:35

(which you say donti askj)

16:35

lol

16:35

hehe

16:36

http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html << benkay you don't even need to do all that. just make odds-neutral bets on already existing propositions.

16:36

Mix your coins for 1% - Bitbet as Mixer

16:36

or make a rejected proposition and fund that

16:37

eh shuddup

16:37

that's basically what he proposed since pi=4 would be rejected

16:37

why shutup is true

16:37

:(

16:38

"You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It" is goddamn perplexing.

16:38

how so?

16:39

mike_c no fees on prop. refunds

16:39

Because like the article states, "At what point over the last two years would [actually using the money] have been a good idea?"

16:39

oh yeah, 0% mixer. nice.

16:39

yeah, until people start doing this, after which there will be a 5% fucking fee.

16:39

hehe

16:40

KRS1: yeah, that's the point. don't invest in a company that is going to use the funds for R&D or have fiat-based returns.

16:40

dont give me that look, i just dont like misinformation

16:41

yeah.

16:41

hang on, why would π=4 get rejected?

16:41

cuz it's a bad bet.

16:42

how is that a bad bet?

16:42

um, because nobody would bet on yes?

16:42

not the criteria.

16:42

if its not accepted you cant put it on both sides also

16:42

well, "bad bet" per bitbet faq at least.

16:43

btw benkay your footnotes scheme is god damn awful

16:43

my everything is awful

16:43

said the pot to the kettle

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00596696 = 0.3401 BTC [-]

16:43

yeah your footnotes suck too

16:43

"Also, bets which are not really bets but moreover advertising, advocacy, rambling nonsense and such are unacceptable on BitBet."

16:43

pi=4 falls under rambling nonsense

16:44

how do my footnotes suck ?!

16:44

Thats a great article and really "hit home" with me.

16:44

mouseover text is always broken

16:44

has always been broken

16:44

what! ?

16:44

1) not html-encoded properly

16:44

you hating on the #8217 ?

16:44

2) you can't fking read them because they are long and they disappear before you can read the whole thing

16:44

that ^^

16:45

so click on the thing wtf am i to do

16:45

want me to hide your back button too ?

16:45

clicking on them disrupts the reading flow too much

16:45

also iirc your footnotes fuck up your linespacing

16:45

but i cant contropl how long your browser keeps tooltips up

16:45

mine keeps them forever.

16:45

well you could. moar JS.

16:45

anyway, YOURS suck more because of the pagination you use which is ugly!

16:46

well someday when i'm endowed with a reasonable amount of capital i'll pay someone to fix it

16:46

in the meantime

16:46

there are words, aren't there?

16:46

http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/31/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-7-Bonds-and-MPOE-stock

16:46

^ his

16:46

MPEx: The Missing Manual 7 - Bonds and S.MPOE stock - serialized delusions

16:46

only futures and i'm done

16:46

one day when i;m rich ima fix my footnotes

16:46

jurov you're never done.

16:47

lol at least for today

16:47

mike_c: wrong side of what?

16:47

er..in fact i'm not. today is opex

16:47

lol

16:47

just your luck.

16:47

the20year: you are turning bitcoin into $, which i think is a bad idea.

16:48

he is turning them into brick and mortar

16:48

or at least plywood

16:48

Yeah, i read

16:48

or dry board?

16:48

That's the unfortunate thing with any bitcoin investments, if bitcoin continues to rapidly appreciate

16:48

well, not any

16:48

But that goes with every single investment in the world that isn't specifically buying bitcoins and holding them

16:48

untrue

16:49

bitbet, for example, will not crash if BTC appreciates

16:49

good luck getting btc-denominated rent, the20year

16:49

its revenue would decline

16:49

or it would not decline :)

16:50

I'm not

16:50

there are plenty short term investments that could outpace bitcoin

16:50

name one ?

16:50

longterm ones, much harder

16:50

no one would agree to it, additionally no companies would be willing to pay their employees entirely denominated in bitcoin without caveats that would essentially link it to fiat

16:50

we just went through this with herbi yest.

16:50

bitbet fee revenue was higher in Q4 2013 than Q3 2013 despite massive BTC appreciation

16:51

anything that appreciates in value 10% while bitcoin only moves 2%

16:51

i guess we managed to conserve purchasing power parity or what was the line ?

16:51

And that would be one of very few examples where it would work ,as long as they can keep their coding fees low

16:51

kako works for peanuts

16:51

<mike_c> bitbet fee revenue was higher in Q4 2013 than Q3 2013 despite massive BTC appreciation <<< it's not that simple

16:52

ThickAsThieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468891

16:52

many bets were made in months ago

16:52

The only hope that I have looking forward, the reason investors back us is because our company can arbitage low interest rates in fiat to then repay them in a manner that *hopefully* will outpace bitcoin

16:52

new bets will be smaller

16:52

like the february difficulty bet?

16:52

i read that conv mp

16:52

i said short term

16:52

a ok. so... not that easy to outpace it.

16:53

not on full timescale

16:53

well... he was saying short term too.

16:53

just a slice in time

16:53

what's short term here, two weels ?

16:53

you can't run corps on a two week horizon. just getting a sale throguh is longer than that.

16:53

1-90 days at best ;)

16:53

think about it. you wanna buy a house. you do dd. that's a week if you're mercury himself.

16:54

then engotiate a price. that's a month or two

16:54

then you do the paperwork etc.

16:54

there's your 90 days

16:54

or, I buy TSLA at 165 and sell at 185

16:55

yeah but see, the convenience of financial speculation is built on some people actually doing operations at some point.

16:55

kinda their problems we're discussing

16:55

indeed, TSLA did not actually become $20 more valuable in a few days

16:56

moreover, you can arguably have ops w/o speculation, dubious and sickly as that may be

16:56

you defo can't have speculation without any ops.

16:56

what about you backing options?

16:56

whats that?

16:57

charity?

16:59

kinda.

16:59

it's a loss leader

16:59

nah.

16:59

it's actually the backstop function of government.

17:01

"Vitalik understands growth hacking, and got himself a landing page. It's got that modern, professional, single-pagey look the kids all love, and takes in emails. There's even a countdown to the Revolution beginning, although it's entirely opaque as to what precisely is Revolving other than Satoshi in his grave."

17:01

anyway re tooltip, it will even do you a newline http://shrani.si/f/2x/cK/1RC6vAo6/tooltip.png

17:02

lol benkay sounds like he's read a lot of -assets

17:02

so much leet.

17:02

kakobrekla that's the good tooltip

17:02

:)

17:03

"Humans inevitably want to be a part of a thing. Mostly they want to be led into glorious battle by strong men, but since men no longer lead and battle is not a thing, humans now coalesce into writhing, headless balls of worms in the traditional socialist style of leaderless leadership."

17:03

if/when you fid the unicode problem, ask wao-ender for the text

17:03

*fix

17:03

gime the text and ill look at it

17:03

lol kako's victory dance was shortlived.

17:03

what about it, mircea_popescu?

17:03

i like it. saves me a lot of typing.

17:04

go forth and preach it, sister.

17:04

's not like i came up with it myself

17:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.126 = 0.252 BTC [+]

17:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

17:05

you ripped it ? where from ?

17:05

and wtf has exante actually done ?

17:05

kakobrekla looks like it came from there: http://shrani.si/f/2x/cK/1RC6vAo6/tooltip.png

17:05

http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/52622/10/all_15_candidates_now_officially_in_presidential_race.html

17:05

All 15 candidates now officially in presidential race - The Slovak Spectator

17:05

kakobrekla: http://hastebin.com/feyuboheti.vhdl

17:05

vhdl?

17:05

yes

17:05

vhdl ?!

17:05

shit space makes me slow

17:05

It's trick!

17:06

ok ill take a look at some point

17:06

vov, ten bets, nice

17:06

mircea_popescu many many -assets conversations

17:07

yea well, you still got the words together naked.

17:07

bitcoin magazine isnt done with the derps

17:07

"NXT – Proof of Stake and the New Alternative Altcoin"

17:07

new alt alt

17:08

Yo dawg you like altcoins so much, I ...

17:09

proof of stake is kind-of the retarded concept of that original scamcoin, what was it

17:09

solidcoin

17:09

the guy with the "unspendable" millions that he spent

17:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC

17:11

i'm gonna call an altcoin Altcoin

17:11

then newbs will be like what are these altcoins i keep hearing about!?

17:12

hahaha

17:12

this is a good idea actually.

17:13

"The Ethereum wiki runs Mediawiki, a tool that seemingly lacks any sort of page indexing, leaving me no choice but to look at all recent changes to all pages for the past thirty days to even get an idea of the scope of writing that's been put into the project." << benkay does this, then complains about forum.

17:13

TAT so meta

17:14

incidentally that is one of my ideas for a blog title "So Meta"

17:14

haha

17:14

would read

17:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9622 @ 0.00091718 = 8.8251 BTC [+] {2}

17:15

whaddaya mean complain about forum?

17:15

i dont write nearly enough to hope I'd be good at it, but maybe I read so much it's possible

17:15

i just complain about everything

17:16

wait, isnt that why we're here?

17:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9428 @ 0.0009176 = 8.6511 BTC [+] {2}

17:16

benkay is lurker

17:16

these pretzels are making me thristy.

17:16

TAT id like to see your writing style, ure prob funny

17:17

maybe one day i'll twitch it for you

17:17

:)

17:19

http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/12_crs-on-btc-notes-and-jokes.html << o look, even the deconstructivist approach on quotes.

17:19

CRS on BTC: Notes and Jokes

17:19

benkay learns a lot by watching does he.

17:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00570353 = 0.4734 BTC [-] {6}

17:20

also, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/metal-band-skinny-puppy-send-us-government-invoice-after-finding-out-their-music-was-used-as-torture-device-in-guantanamo-bay-9100005.html

17:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00091837 = 5.0051 BTC [+]

17:21

i like how the research office simply restates the MP stand on the matter back in 2012,

17:21

ya well what is research after all

17:21

yet the "community" and it's "press" fails to print in two inch letters "Hey! We have a guy here that's two years smarter than the best of the USG. That's why you're fucked."

17:22

lettuce instead focus on what pothead got busted last.

17:23

> metal band skinny puppy

17:23

> torture

17:23

I guess I'm USG-proof

17:24

lol

17:24

maybe the torture is confusing music genres

17:24

you they probably torture with arab koran chanting, or with nun music

17:25

kinda funny, if you think about it, how "torture" = enforced enlarging, in this case. god forbid you listen to some music you don't normally.

17:25

I would probably like it… I dislike happy music though

17:25

what else, they make some modest woman go about naked. torture of all hells. yet other women love being nude.

17:25

basically the one thing people most hate is being exposed to other things.

17:26

pankkake why's that

17:26

to the degree it's "torture"

17:26

truffles: happy music makes me sad, while sad/dark music calms me

17:26

weird

17:27

sad music makes me even sadder

17:27

and happy music just sad?

17:27

cheery

17:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jpJ662vgvk

17:27

KYLIE MINOISE - AVANT-GORE NUDIST ASYLUM - YouTube

17:27

gotta turn on the sad music to go with sad mood amirite

17:28

"altcoin" is in the works

17:28

make it sha

17:28

i did

17:28

metaltcoin?

17:29

omg pankkake no seizure warning

17:31

btw if someone wants to do it, primecoin fork with a finite coinbase should do better than most of alts outthere imho

17:32

subprimecoin

17:32

with a coin cap?

17:32

maybe so, but it will happen eventually

17:32

certainly slower without asics

17:33

(block reward decreases with difficulty increasing)

17:34

no, Altcoin will be the clear winner because it actually serves a purpose: to clean up the ridiculous altcoin market so everyone can relax, focus on one, and become rich just like early bitcoin adopters!

17:34

i'll do to altcoins what i did to mining binds

17:34

oh it's an altcoin named altcoin

17:34

bonds*

17:34

gut it

17:34

let's hope so!

17:35

whens the release

17:35

waiting for coingen and the seat of my pants

17:36

I'll mine it unless it's scrypt

17:36

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00084999 = 0.255 BTC [+] {2}

17:36

sha

17:36

maybe i'll have post in forums and put in my sig

17:36

maybe that block erupter will make me rich after all

17:36

lol

17:37

Much of the noise in the liberal American internet revolves around making people feel good by talking about things they think are bad and raising the consciousness in a futile quest to change the world by talking. There are hugely diminishing returns to raising consciousness (even assuming the ideas you're promulgating aren't of the rankest communist origin). << this.

17:37

fucking "raise awareness".

17:37

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.00084999 = 0.153 BTC [+]

17:37

it only works for boobs.

17:37

you gotta stop this mp

17:38

gonna make me think my opinions aren't useless blather

17:38

it's a good point

17:38

writing your opinions make you stronger

17:38

writing makes your thinking stronger.

17:38

yes, that

17:39

no actually it's been quite a pleasant read, and you have good points well stated.

17:39

it's of value.

17:39

staaahp

17:39

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC

17:39

ty :)

17:39

lol

17:40

s;thematter, noone ever said anything nice to you ?

17:40

problem rather that constructive criticism is so damn hard to come by

17:40

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441523.0

17:40

i wiil give cryptsy a sugestion since withdrawal delay so much

17:40

this guy rocks

17:40

praise is cheap, i'm an american child

17:41

yes, but even us folk occasionally do things well.

17:41

it can happen.

17:41

that guy could probably help mtgox too

17:41

lol

17:41

satoshidaemon to the rescue :)

17:41

it be dead.

17:41

lol

17:42

Apocalyptic around?

17:42

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4843540#msg4843540

17:42

Ripped OFF by bitbet.us

17:42

i expect what i do to be pretty good, and for people to say 'wow that's awesome' if they're easily impressed (or paste into -assets or w/e). what i vastly prefer is "listen kid, stop blathering here here and there"

17:42

ALL OF YOU HATERS can go back and get your commissions from "TIC" now and STFU and stay off my honest and legit. post.

17:43

you payin' kako ?

17:43

ok guys im outta here bye

17:43

benkay samples?

17:43

mircea_popescu thats the dude from the customs btw.

17:43

the guy is a law student according to his other posts

17:44

epic shit.

17:44

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354851.msg4743345#msg4743345 I just want to slap him

17:44

COINBASE - Serious Issue - Reversing Bank Deposits, erroneous withdrawals, etc..

17:44

he could be the Consumer meets Bitcoin mascot.

17:45

lol

17:45

I hate to bring this up again.. that article "You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It" still doesn't make sense to me.

17:46

KRS1 but you gotta form a question/challenge of som sort

17:46

else ppl will just go "well that's nice".

17:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00091709 = 4.7689 BTC [-]

17:46

haha

17:47

"Yahoo Voices is where your expertise and perspectives take center stage! Here you will find millions of articles, videos, and slideshows on every topic published by Yahoo users, just like you."

17:47

i would like it make sense. what is unclear?

17:47

god help me. you mean yahoo is seriously going to do the whole bs usg thing in 2014 ?! after it died ?

17:47

mhm

17:48

Companies typically launch an IPO to raise funds, along with a business plan, to bring a particular product or service to market with the intent on making a profit. Why shouldn't a company raise funds for X amount of BTC, cash it in for fiat? According to the business plan, the investment should request $X dollars for Y project. As long as the funds are matched, and everything falls

17:48

into place, the rest is trivial. IPO's are not meant to capitalize and profit directly from investment money.

17:48

IPO's are not meant to capitalize and profit directly from investment money. << ?! what ?!

17:49

in bitcoinlandia, there are 2 types of ipos

17:49

That money is to be used for the particular product or service mentioned in the business plan, right? Or do companies reinvest the money raised from the IPO and make that grow?

17:49

in general a share placement capitalises the corp. that capital is then deployed.

17:49

this system whereby corps announce what they intend to use the money for is rare irl.

17:50

more common in croudfunding shit

17:50

The capital is deployed is key here.

17:50

which is what btc ipos are

17:50

only they are croudscamming

17:50

well, so is most fiat crowdfunding too

17:50

The IPO funds should not be reinvested and grown further, they should be used to fund the project mentioned in the business plan right?

17:50

KRS1 yes. the company, once capitalised, has a fiduciary duty to deploy capital efficiently.

17:51

So a bitcoin IPO is very different than fiat IPO?

17:51

efficiently means it will see positive returns above the risk free rate

17:51

Right, and thats what I'm having a problem with.

17:51

Why can't the company cash in the BTC to fund the project?

17:51

aha ?

17:51

www.coindesk.com/new-hong-kong-bitcoin-exchange-welcomes-mainland-customers/

17:51

because it's likely that this will result in negative returns

17:51

they can

17:51

which is contrary to wat the company is supposed to be doing

17:52

the point is way simpler than all this

17:52

when you invets your bitcoins, you are selling them and buying that thing

17:52

so dont expect to get more bitcoins than you put it

17:52

in

17:52

what mp is saying

17:52

ThickAsThieves this isn't really the thing discussed tho

17:53

i didn't see that statement on the neobee prospectus :)

17:53

<ThickAsThieves> so dont expect to get more bitcoins than you put it < wait what??

17:53

"HKCex will also allow customers to use deposit and withdraw funds to credit cards using a PayPal gateway" interesting. no dogecoins though

17:53

is that he feels that is a major consideration

17:53

for the company

17:53

when to spend bitcoin

17:53

why would ANYONE invest in ANYTHING then

17:53

Once you reach yor capitalisation goal, why can't yo ujust move on and mature the IPO as discussed in the business plan? The idea is not to make money off the initial investment, its to make money according to the business plan.

17:54

but that company cant outpace bitcoin appreciation in whatever currency it plays in

17:54

pankkake kakobrekla curious how long that lasts.

17:55

KRS1 ok, forget bitcoin for a moment, cause this is perhaps throwing you.

17:55

suppose you are running the Fuckville power plant.

17:55

Who cares how much you could have made off of the initial BTC investment. As long as you've reached your investment goals, deploy the capital and fund the project.

17:55

this plant runs on coal.

17:55

you have some money to buy coal.

17:55

coal today costs 100 a ton.

17:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00091709 = 11.3719 BTC [-]

17:55

you might even say that investing in a specifically bitcoin-industry business exacerbates this problem

17:55

they just open a new coal mine. this coal mine is larger than any one on earth, and close to your plant.

17:56

you figure at this juncture coal prices will likely go down, if nothing because of transport, and so forego buying coal yet.

17:56

next week, the coal mine installs steam power

17:56

you figure, this will take coal even lower. and forego again.

17:56

next week, they bring in mega tip top drilling tools. you again....

17:56

now. you nominally are in the business of buying coal,

17:56

nevertheless your correct decision has so far been to not buy any coal.

17:56

what's the problem ?

17:57

youre in the wrong business

17:57

yup

17:57

no, you're not.

17:57

Go back to your directors and tell them to rewrite the business plan

17:57

and IPO

17:57

uh.

17:58

lol

17:58

you're in the wrong business because your business just got better ?

17:58

we're going back! to the future!

17:58

this doesn't make sense at all.

17:58

You are god damned right it doesnt =/

17:58

nothing got better

17:58

it just didnt get worse

17:58

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]

17:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.126 = 0.63 BTC [+]

17:58

and since time passed, it did get worse

17:58

it got better, your expenses keep dropping

17:58

which means your margins keep improving.

17:59

And investors keep wondering why they invested so much.

17:59

as opposed to the investors in the company that DID keep buying coal and lost a shitload of money

17:59

right.

17:59

At the club house they are getting laughed at by their colleagues.

17:59

lmao

17:59

is this cartoon network?

17:59

it seems so

18:00

why arent more startups proclaiming to be 100% bitcoin?

18:00

Their wives are ready to leave them and even the security guard at their estate is giving them better investment tips.

18:00

i'll start a record label

18:00

ThickAsThieves because the club house is mostly populated by retards.

18:00

krs1, wait a year. the clubhouse will have an enitrely different population.

18:00

and i wont deal with anyone unless its bitcoin

18:00

wanna be a vendor? whats your wallet addy?

18:00

etc

18:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

18:00

ThickAsThieves sounds like s.mg for sound.

18:01

if people were actually willing to pay for music this may be a brilliant idea.

18:01

So if we all invest in a company that needs $100 dollars, using bitcoin, as long as the $100 dollar investment goal has been reached, what is wrong with executing the rest of the business operations?

18:01

before i found bitcoin that was the plan a label called Thick As Thieves

18:01

maybe i mix em

18:01

Its perfectly fine to cash in btc for fiat at the time because $X dollar investment has been reached to launch business operations.

18:01

KRS1 that you don't want to buy a house on fire at the list price.

18:02

let them either put the fire out or else let the fire run out and see what it's worth

18:02

You have to purchase at some point though..time is money.

18:02

around we go. what is wrong with it is that in a year that company will be worth $200 and the bitcoins it raised will be worth $2,000

18:03

jurov http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/31/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-7-Bonds-and-MPOE-stock << pretty good shit. nice and thorough.

18:03

mice_c: Investment funds are requested using an IPO based on a business plan. If you never execute it and expecting your capital to fund the business, thats a big problem.

18:03

that'd be because i wrote it, mircea_popescu

18:03

benkay wait, wut ?

18:03

maybe this could be the first charge of the Bitcoin Republik, we make a 100% Pure Bitcoin badge

18:03

;)

18:04

benkay, maybe you wrote it and you will get paid

18:04

any person or entity that only deals in bitcoins

18:04

but it was wildly inaccurate at places

18:04

yes, it's not that companies using their bitcoins are doing something "wrong", just stupid.

18:04

lotta bitcoiners straddling the fence, makes me doubt their faith

18:04

lol jurov is such a capitalist :D

18:04

btw, part 8 futures is there too

18:04

there were mistakes in the pricing examples.

18:04

mind you all, i failed at it first.

18:04

scuse me - i made mistakes in the pricing examples.

18:05

If the market crumbles on bitcoin and you never executed your business plan and angry investors everywhere want your head then what?

18:05

hide

18:05

This is why I think that article is bunk.

18:05

change usernames

18:05

well it was part of the plan right?

18:05

Well written, but has no logical basis.

18:05

KRS1 but looky, what officers do is make calls.

18:06

some of them make good calls, some of them make bad calls.

18:06

just state in your plan your bitcoin strat

18:06

this is the substance of the ipo

18:06

not some "business plan", that's not how ipos work

18:06

that's how board meetings work, where the board selects ceos

18:06

Its an intriguing problem, but if the IPO is never launched and the business keeps investing the initial investment funds, which is risky, then this is idiotic imo.

18:07

i guess in retrospect this is yet another one of those places where naive "financiers" of the glbse troop confused discting things cause well, what did they know

18:07

KRS1 if you dont want bitcoin exposure, GET THE FUCK OUT OF BITCOIN

18:07

so mp, he has a point you should elaborate on

18:07

KRS1 well sure. but in principle, yeah, if you don't trust a unit of account it's saner for you not to hold it at all

18:07

kakobrekla I think you are missing what I'm saying..sorry if I wasn't clear..

18:07

than to invest in corps that use it but have foreign assets.

18:07

what specifically IS your recommendation on how a bitcoin-funded op spends

18:08

for instance : if you think the dollar is going to shit, you're better off buying euro, than buying Ford shares on the thinking that ford does business in yurp

18:08

at least grosso modo speaking

18:08

hey mircea_popescu Ubitex looks like it beat Skepsidyne to listing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6838.0

18:08

ThickAsThieves: My recommendation is simple...if the IPO requests $X amount of dollars to fund project Y, convert BTC to fiat and execute the business plan accordingly to yeield project Y. Simple. Don't reinvest investment dollars. Thats stupid.

18:08

o hey yes. benkay. "Shares are not securities." lolzy

18:09

they are indeed insecurities, mostly.

18:09

ThickAsThieves: a btc-funded op should spend its money to make more bitcoin. like to bankroll just-dice.

18:09

like if S.MG has a fiat expense, what, youre gonna rob shareholders?

18:09

KRS1 "if the IPO requests $X amount of dollars to fund project Y" contradicts " convert BTC to fiat"

18:10

we're kinda saying all spending of bitcoin is bad business, right?

18:10

yes

18:11

we're saying that the quick increase in the btc rate puts responsible, competent ceos in the position where they forego fiat deployments

18:11

this is a major problem for bitcoin atm.

18:11

But you have to spend it to make anything happen.

18:11

atm, or forever?

18:11

no argument. which is why it's a problem.

18:11

ThickAsThieves hopefully it settles down.

18:11

seems like s.nsa built cardano with 2% of their ipo funds

18:12

such a waste!

18:12

mike_c well, there's only prototyping for one board reported yet, and moreover most of the cost is engineering time, which obviously doesn't show

18:12

You aren't launching an IPO in hopes to do business to reinvest investment funds. You are launching an IPO to do business according to the business plan of whatever business you are going into. BTC is irrelevant.

18:12

yes, it doesn't show. but that's the point. you don't necessarily have to spend a lot to make progress.

18:12

seems a misrepresentation of what an ipo is.

18:12

I don't know many businesses that end up doing what was planned at first

18:13

KRS1 a bunch of companies have a bunch of people dealing nothing but with FX risks

18:13

I mean, not exactly

18:13

which are way smaller there than here.

18:13

think about that.

18:13

I must be out of my mind for thinking logically here and believing an IPO and a business plan should work together to do exactly what they fucking say they are going to do.

18:13

you are, yes.

18:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-]

18:14

you're basically proceeding into some sort of glbse/kickfunder extrapolation as if it were a thing

18:14

they're marginal.

18:14

krs1, that is simply incorrect.

18:14

da fuck was tha tthing called anyway, fundkicker, gofuckme, what.

18:14

no investor in an early-stage company expects them to "follow the business plan"

18:14

kickstarter?

18:14

that

18:16

kickstarter is a lot like btc bizness. 99:1 bullshit but there are some gems.

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]

18:16

right, but that's more like a "daddy, gimme some dough to buy beer" sort of venue

18:16

in which case i suppose if you take the beermoney and buy pot daddy has the recourse of wtf, i gave you that twenny for beer not for pot.

18:17

an ipo is more like, i am a carpenter, give me money to carpent. the investor has no recourse as to whether the carpenter buys a hammer or a saw,

18:17

and when exactly.

18:17

in short, being an actual ceo of an actual corp which does an actual ipo, you are a professional.

18:18

being a pseudo-ceo of a pseudo-corp which does a kickstarter thing, you are a whatever, etsy service representative.

18:19

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8733.0;all

18:19

luke-jr is a scammer - he renegged on a bitcoin futures contract

18:20

in a more wtf line of inquiry, check out this bet that just closed :

18:20

http://bitbet.us/bet/246/chinas-gdp-growth-to-exceed-8-any-quarter/

18:20

BitBet - China's GDP growth to exceed 8% any quarter in 2013

18:20

the datasource (china's stat bureau) has pretty much given up on publishing data

18:20

last is q1 2013.

18:20

kakobrekla any idea on wtf we do ?

18:21

benkay see, your mind's enriching already.

18:22

but not my pocket

18:22

generally your pocket starts enriching once impotence starts showing up

18:22

at least that's what i find

18:23

HURRY UP AND WILT, BONER

18:23

lol

18:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00570329 = 0.4392 BTC [-] {3}

18:25

"Anyone who likes Bitcoin really shouldnt want any new currencies to be created."

18:25

need moar coins. anyone have any bonerbgone?

18:25

derp. anyone knows this daniel fellow from the mises circle website ?

18:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

18:27

i kinda take the opposite line on that one - anyone who likes bitcoin should be pleased at the cambrian derpsplosion of altchains

18:28

indeed.

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4845 @ 0.00009649 = 0.4675 BTC [+] {2}

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 20000 @ 0.005 = 100 BTC

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

18:32

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00084999 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

18:32

holy shit one had to run GLBSE in a VM?! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12001.0

18:33

um

18:33

i don't think you realise how rare deidcated servers were in 2011.

18:33

uh

18:34

that shit started to really change in 2009

18:34

i'm just a little astonished that one booted a vm to trade these securities

18:34

bah nothin wrong with that imo

18:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13499919 BTC [-]

18:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+]

18:36

https://coinbase.com/checkouts/c16886a2ff866480977fde7c18ce0edf

18:36

Pay With Bitcoin

18:36

o look, coinbase is trying to steal bitpay's lunch

18:36

mircea_popescu: back to that- good analogy btw heh

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

18:36

worthless businesses built on worthless models with no defensibility whatsoever by worthless ycombinated minds.

18:37

coinbase been pushing that hard. offering $1m in free transactions to business that sign up with them.

18:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11510 @ 0.0009157 = 10.5397 BTC [-]

18:37

i noticed they take no fees

18:37

bye bye bitpay revenue for q1.

18:37

what did they make, 300k q4 ?

18:38

287.84 of which out of businesses that did less than $1m historically.

18:38

KRS1 there's a more subtle problem than the spending bitcoin thing.

18:39

all i have to do all day is sit here and admire how people fail. i don't even have to do anything at all. just sit pat.

18:39

now that's an outrage.

18:39

isn't coinbase usa only?

18:39

i don't think that will last. surely competant competition will emerge at some point.

18:39

that bitcoin not spent is better than bitcoin spent we could perhaps live with.

18:40

mike_c before or after btc stabilizes ?

18:40

hm

18:40

obviously eventually time fixes all problems.

18:40

but you see what i mean.

18:40

yeah, you've got time :)

18:40

pankkake even if it is, for what good reason would it stay that way ?

18:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00570214 = 0.2167 BTC [-]

18:41

mircea_popescu feeless refund

18:41

shit. AND i finished the cognac

18:42

fucking friday night. nao what ;/

18:42

kakobrekla i think so yeah.

18:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.19995 = 0.3999 BTC [+] {2}

18:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00091334 = 9.4987 BTC [-] {2}

18:42

can't hold the btc hostage till china. that may be 55 years.

18:42

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14434.0

18:43

lol

18:43

ftr, she was active for like two weeks

18:43

because even then the forum was so derptarded...

18:43

i imagine she had a business to run!

18:44

http://mistresskang.com/ <<

18:44

Mistress Kang

18:44

i see she's doing the nikki minaj routine

18:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+]

18:45

heh

18:45

http://fortressnyc.com/images/uploads/279/008.jpg

18:45

the problem with vaudeville is that you're stuck mimicking mainstream

18:45

anyway. never cared for her boobjob.

18:46

was going to say

18:46

oh they had kiko wu! *pornstalgia*

18:49

mircea_popescu: goes back to something I've noticed as I get older, most fuckwits in business or whatever it is they do, barely do it right. They're usually off putting their efforts in farting or dancing or whatever it is they do other than their jobs.

18:50

true.

18:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00090902 = 11.0446 BTC [-]

18:51

i can't believe todd actually went to work for mastercoin.

18:52

they have lot of monies

18:52

with bounties like "10 btc for css"

18:53

wat

18:53

even so.

18:53

i can get some css done for 10 btc

18:54

they're not litteraly offering that, don't get your hopes up :)

18:54

benkay pm

18:55

jurov my irc is apparently broken

18:55

oh you can't pm?

18:55

apparently not

18:55

i just need your btc addy

18:55

nope.

18:56

do you mind holding payment for a day?

18:56

and reminding me if i didn't pay you the first installment

18:56

not mind :)

18:56

k thanks

18:56

;;raed benkay

18:56

Error: "raed" is not a valid command.

18:56

;;rated benkay

18:56

You have not yet rated user benkay

18:56

i'm balls deep in btctalk shit atm

18:57

i see

18:57

i want half, cause of the grep logs idea

18:57

^

18:58

this is not for 'securities' review, boys

18:58

jurov how much do you owe ? we'll take .75 btc for all teh great ideaz

18:58

payment for mpex missing manual

18:58

i still want half

18:58

working on some text for Altcoin:

18:58

http://dpaste.com/1579602/

18:58

123!

18:58

dpaste: #1579602: The Real Altcoin, by tat.investments@gmail.com

18:58

123!

18:58

lol

18:58

lol

18:58

you are buying my debt from benaky or what?

18:59

no, im buying your debt to benkay from you

18:59

like teh usd does it

18:59

usg*

18:59

wat

18:59

oh, bailout? no problem

18:59

just out of curiosity why?

19:00

Altcoin slogan should be "the 15th standard"

19:00

http://24.media.tumblr.com/24f461e64b04c9442581a3d3e56deb2e/tumblr_mhpyyfytnT1s01fwto1_500.jpg

19:00

the community is unimpressed.

19:00

benkay just messin' with ya

19:00

thought you saved that for the girls

19:01

the research into pre-april 2012 securities is killllllling me

19:01

just because i love you guys so much, you get first dibs on the Altcoin package! http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd.zip

19:02

wow coingen works this fast ?

19:02

6 confs

19:02

and then maybe another hour

19:02

blah now i got to bring my asics back online or what

19:03

To show my dedication to the cause, I promise to NEVER mine Altcoin

19:03

you know i like bluematt more and more as time goes by

19:03

i mined ltc before it was cool

19:03

i don't remember a shitty thing the man did.

19:03

*runs*

19:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

19:04

i actually vaguely recall zinging jurov for bothering with the silly alts a coupla years ago

19:05

yes, i was kinda psyched about the reaper (first gpu miner for scrypt)

19:05

"snoochyboochy" lol

19:05

guise think snoochyboochycoin will ever take off ?

19:05

midlifecrisiscoin

19:05

fraudcoin

19:06

atheistcoin

19:06

cascadiacoin

19:06

beliebercoin unusablecoin starvingartistcoin biebercoin wethepeoplecoin jasoncoin

19:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1505 = 0.301 BTC [-] {2}

19:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}

19:06

and im fucking exhausted. not even 5% of the list covered

19:07

difficult to monitor, but i would like a bitbet on bitcoincharts uptime

19:08

then i could go long, and at least make money when they are down

19:08

ok, i got some bitchings from coinbr about the opex from coinbr

19:08

gotta fix

19:09

someone had 10 O.USD.C155T there? such bull

19:10

o that was myself :(

19:10

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866300#msg4866300

19:10

[NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast

19:12

lolwut ?

19:12

just in a meta mood today i guess

19:15

did anyone save any of the glbse asset descriptions? i know they changed regularly...

19:16

lol altcoin comes with no source code?

19:17

i posted what coingen spit out :/

19:18

I'm new to this revolutionizing finance thing, sorry

19:18

I don't know how coingen works, so I'm not sure how it is supposed to get seed nodes either

19:20

the idea is too powerful, someone will figure it out

19:20

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4866422#msg4866422

19:20

lol

19:21

[NEW] The REAL Altcoin - Act fast

19:31

YES! I mined block 1

19:31

and then 4 blocks

19:31

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899911 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}

19:31

nice!

19:31

youre gonna be fukn rich

19:32

at least I finally figured out how to solo mine

19:32

can be useful on testnet I guess

19:32

azi`

i smell PONZI

19:32

i'll buy some from you this weekend or something

19:33

hey man Life is a Ponzi

19:33

you only yolo once

19:33

at least someone else is mining!

19:33

meanwhile the public demands a better logo

19:34

perhaps a combination of A and $

19:34

maybe a slogan too?

19:34

like

19:34

Quit Wasting Your Time

19:34

YOLO = You Only Need One

19:34

YONO*

19:38

i added your node pankkake

19:38

blocks raining.

19:38

theres 80 of them now

19:38

at least on my branch

19:39

I'm probably only half

19:39

i just hooked up my gpu, too lazy to bring out asic out of the closet

19:40

but yeah

19:40

no source no fun

19:41

now mining on 1PonZioHc2gKHhSx3mbXD2tfahJh2vefSi

19:41

lol

19:41

maybe mattblue can get source to us somehow?

19:41

btw there seems to be some malware attached or something

19:41

just fyi

19:41

for real?

19:42

http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/

19:42

MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:42

i dunno someone posted a link to a scan

19:42

antiviruses get mad at any bitcoin thing

19:42

because it's in so many botnets

19:42

aha

19:42

anyway, source code is an option on coingen, maybe you can ask for it later

19:42

azi`

1k profits for mpex?

19:43

not that it's hard to create it yourself from another source anyway ;)

19:43

what they charge for source, fiddy bux ?

19:43

buy bluematt a cuppa coffe, he deserves it.

19:44

$avg

19:44

jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

19:44

still?

19:44

kako avg fail

19:45

;;ticker btcavg

19:45

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message)

19:45

;;ticker --svg

19:45

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message)

19:45

;;ticker --avg

19:45

943.70991

19:46

"Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned." wow!

19:47

jurov ??

19:47

i dont run mpexbot

19:47

but yeah, if its bad, stick it to kakos ass

19:48

pankkake lol tryin to make moneyz ?

19:49

I wanted to give The Altcoin to the community!

19:50

my first idea of bernankoin giveaway was to award them by number of user posts

19:50

but there were too many beks and not enough big posters

19:51

lol

19:51

wait, bernakoin actually exists ?

19:52

of course it does

19:52

haha

19:52

its a success

19:52

http://bek.gpool.net/blocks

19:52

~500 workers still :o

19:53

kakobrekla: sorry

19:53

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375010.0 a nice French guy also provided a better logo

19:53

[ANN] Bernankoin the Coin Not Evil according to Paul Krugman DL WINQT v1.3 NOW

19:53

assbot knows vwap?

19:53

no clue

19:54

" Statistically speaking, MPOE-PR and by extension MP, is far more trustworthy than myself"

19:54

escrow going wtf.

19:54

$vwap x.eur

19:54

mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00166253 high: 0.00166253 low: 0.00166253 volume: 200 btc: 0.332506 7 day: average: 0.00167696 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3800 btc: 6.372431 30 day: average: 0.00180241 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 19539 btc: 35.21732337

19:54

still, its an use of ;;gettrust over ;;getrating, not insane

19:54

it appears that mpex used 848,37 $ as vwap

19:55

jurov it just has an issue talking to bitcoincharts for some reason

19:55

so what's the bernakoin to altcoin exchange rate ?

19:55

0, there's still no exchange, no real otc trading as far as I know

19:56

so at least something is working properly in this world

19:56

okay Altcoin has a new logo!

19:56

http://i.imgur.com/OqeWed4.jpg

19:56

make it merge mined

19:56

i want bernankoin <-> doge liquidity!!!

19:56

wow, so pro

19:56

very money

19:56

lol

19:56

wow 33 pages of bernakoin. you're like a celeb

19:57

hey kako, you have some altcoin alcoins atm ?

19:57

yeah i got altcoins

19:57

how many you have ?

19:58

do a giveaway!

19:58

hehe

19:58

pankkake how much beks you got ?

19:58

30k , half immature

19:58

about 1 million

19:58

+-

19:58

I don't mine it, as it means mining less primecoin (which pays for my server bills!)

19:59

ok, kako, you sell to me 30k alts for 30 btc. pankake you sell to tako 300k beks for 30 btc. then i sell you 30k alts for 30 btc.

19:59

this way you got market cap yo!

19:59

"moneysupply" : 7939613962.72999954

19:59

lol

20:00

was dat, for bek?

20:00

it was 3 way linking!

20:00

yes, total bek supply

20:01

i got a pm asking how to mine ATC

20:01

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/25/bernankoin-to-save-us-all-from-the-evils-of-bitcoin/

20:01

A is better than B right?

20:01

you're going to get a lot of PMs :|

20:01

"this coin should be sold on https://www.poloniex.com/ or a Chinese exchange if anyone know how to get it on Chinese that would be our best bet"

20:02

ThickAsThieves world's #1 letter !

20:02

http://cynic.me/2013/12/19/bernankoin-the-coin-to-save-our-economy-quantitative-easing/ that was the first external coverage, I was so happy to read it

20:02

Bernankoin – The Coin to Save Our Economy – QUANTITATIVE EASING | Cynic.me

20:02

and one of the few to notice the funny commits

20:03

who';s cynic.me ?

20:03

random blogger

20:03

http://www.thebitcoinmaster.com/bernankoin/ and another guy made a faucet!

20:03

Bernankoin Printer

20:03

http://cynic.me/2014/01/17/why-you-need-to-take-dogecoin-seriously/

20:03

Why You Need to Take Dogecoin Seriously… | Cynic.me

20:03

lmao

20:04

22% is a big deal! 11 peopl voted on tardstalk!

20:04

"The market demand for Dogecoin is there. People love it. Its fun. Its exciting. Its different. Its loyal. Its furry. Its happy. Its glad to see you. Its right there licking your face telling you that it loves you."

20:04

lul

20:04

Ink level: 27870.5800065

20:04

Ink reserves: 550000

20:04

"You dont need to love Dogecoin. But you do need to see what is happening with it right now. We have a social phenomenon going on, and even if it fails, we will learn a lesson or two from it"

20:04

it's true, actually

20:05

i dont have answers for these people, how do you mine it? who knows?!

20:05

probably the first altcoin to have a genuine community

20:05

OK I'm going to do a howto mine I guess

20:05

sweet

20:05

odd message from 'cynic.me'

20:06

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+]

20:07

historic goat!

20:07

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49648.0

20:07

(ANN) I will form a mining company to be traded on (GLBSE) if there is interest

20:07

pankkake i doubt this, but perhaps it's on the grounds of being uninformed.

20:07

wtf community ?

20:07

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [+]

20:08

I think it brought people that did not use Bitcoin before

20:08

so ?

20:08

whereas altcoins are bitcoiners looking for profit

20:08

in that sense, it is "genuine"

20:08

ok, so it has some suction power

20:08

all the people watching tv are not a community

20:08

I'm not saying it's The Future obviously

20:08

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02899999 = 0.522 BTC [+] {6}

20:09

no but what i mean, a community is different from a crowd.

20:09

http://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-jamaican-bobsled-team-olympics-2014-1

20:09

Dogecoin Jamaican Bobsled Team Olympics - Business Insider

20:09

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02969994 = 0.1782 BTC [+]

20:10

pankkake you realise there's a few people pushing it, and manipulating social media to give the impression of traction

20:10

or do you ?

20:11

I don't know. if it had success without organized people behind it, it's a miracle

20:12

it's quite visibly (and quite respectably) being organisedly pushed.

20:12

i have no idea specifically who's doing it, but i can tell teh pro hand.

20:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10562 @ 0.00091464 = 9.6604 BTC [+]

20:15

I wonder if those guys were prepared before launch, or they just saw a thing and decided to do it

20:15

that i can't discern.

20:16

but you can trivially notice there's two groups if you take all the sm profiles and do scoring on them. you don't end up with either a powerlaw or any sort of gauss curve

20:16

sm?

20:16

you end up with two. there's distinguishably group A and group B, and group A is further traceable to convergence

20:16

social media

20:16

well ThickAsThieves you gonna put a site up displaying thhe logo in all its glory or what

20:16

things like reddit have been gamed for a long time

20:17

or digg before that

20:17

right.

20:17

it's been widely documented, outed, etc.

20:17

So dogge coin is worth throwing a few bucks at actually?

20:17

im not saying there's anything wrong with it, for that matter. the people doing it are providing data to all observers, not just to themselves.

20:17

i'd venture a guess that they're about 60-70% or so in the red so far, however.

20:18

hm

20:18

pankkake you split the chain?

20:18

lol

20:18

shit

20:18

(in the sense that total resources spent, including time / total market value - as an integral from current price to zero = ~.6x)

20:18

my last block is orphaned

20:18

hmm

20:18

lol now you broke it

20:19

my last 50 are dead

20:19

well it's still working it seems, I got a 50 ATC donation!

20:19

still moare comming

20:19

ok wtf

20:19

someone plugges some serial power

20:19

~1 block per sec

20:19

LOL

20:19

friedcat's mining

20:19

its getting ripped

20:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]

20:20

whoa lol

20:22

im finding blocks all fucked though

20:22

lol wut

20:22

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1woxdt/potential_class_action_suit_against_coinbase/

20:22

Potential Class Action suit against Coinbase being reviewed by attorney group against : Bitcoin

20:22

yesssss

20:22

I'd give reddit gold to the first comment

20:22

rpcuser=lol

20:22

rpcpassword=cat

20:22

bwahaha

20:23

good old asstomouthparty

20:24

"Big Vern told me he is adding this to Cryptsy tomorrow."

20:24

Hotuglywife goes ass to mouth.

20:24

watch this shit blowing up and each and every one of you vilified for being fucking illuminati.

20:24

"just bought 500k on coindup. get on my lvl!" lol

20:29

altcoin reached 1k blocks

20:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

20:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

20:31

.d altcoin

20:31

1.00000000

20:32

ty robokakke

20:33

I suppose diff will be changed after 2016 blocks

20:33

so in about 1000 seconds

20:33

"Wow! I just solo mined 17 blocks with my CPU"

20:33

VERY CURRENCY

20:33

lucky cpu

20:33

easy mining was the success of bernankoin

20:33

especially since I enabled cpu mining by default on new versions

20:34

(it's primecoin so cpu is good)

20:34

bernake uses primecoin algo??

20:34

yes

20:34

zomg.

20:34

didnt know

20:35

well gosh if -assets doesn't have its own derpcoin now

20:35

as if it didn't before...

20:37

it now has it's own legion of derpcoins

20:37

the menagerie is necessary.

20:37

also whoever dm'd me; dm's aren't working for me today

20:38

as conversations online progress, the odds of mp comissioning hitler paintings and the odds of each participant to the convo running their own altchain both increase towards 1

20:42

you guys you guys you guys

20:42

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg790166#msg790166

20:42

[FREE BITCOINS] MPOE Stress testing.

20:42

historyyyyyyy

20:44

o look, im in it

20:45

har and the miss in question not in full rage mode: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.msg792157#msg792157

20:45

rare sight these days

20:45

mircea_popescu: do you ever worry about taking years off that poor girl's life?

20:45

strike poor /strike

20:45

not at the rate she's pulling AMIRITE BOYYYYYS

20:46

lolwut ?!

20:46

all the cortisol coursing through her system all the time's gotta be bad for wear and tear on the nervous system

20:49

http://trilema.com/2014/why-do-gentlemen-prefer-blondes/

20:49

Why do gentlemen prefer blondes ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00594999 = 0.1844 BTC [+]

20:51

as a result, redheads are undervalued in the sexual marketplace

20:52

and for no good reason

20:52

they're generally much more entertaining, due to having to compete with all the blondes all the time

20:52

at least in my limited experience

20:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2617 @ 0.00009304 = 0.2435 BTC [-] {6}

20:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]

20:53

it's like how overly pretty girls seem to be missing something between the ears and in the sheets

20:53

having never developed any skills in the arena due to self-overvaluation...

20:54

oh god i have to trawl economy>marketplace>services too

20:54

always seemed obvious to me

20:54

being a pretty girl isn't such a gift after all

20:55

best would be to be an ugly child and then beautiful adult

20:55

haven't met many particularly good looking women over the age of 30

20:55

of course, they have other assets at that age

20:56

you mean good looking naked or dressed ?

20:57

i actually take it back totally

20:57

lol

20:57

'cause what is physical beauty without as prince calls it "pussy control"

21:04

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4234 @ 0.00009117 = 0.386 BTC [-] {6}

21:06

mod6

what a month for s.mpoe!

21:06

huge.

21:09

"difficulty" : 4.00000000

21:09

I guess it's capped to 4×

21:10

it is.

21:12

> To make use of tweens, you must construct a “tween factory”

21:14

;;calc 1830/30

21:14

61

21:14

huh.

21:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16254 @ 0.00091181 = 14.8206 BTC [-] {2}

21:17

mod6

At least that piece of shit has the excuse that itt's made by nobody starring Fuckfleck and wht's his name. << lol Fuckfleck

21:17

lol

21:19

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02868325 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2}

21:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

21:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]

21:25

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 388 @ 0.00043 = 0.1668 BTC [-]

21:25

what ultimately happened to F.PURE.SYNTH?

21:27

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00448 = 0.2464 BTC [-]

21:28

it got bought out iirc.

21:28

;;google list of discontinued assets on mpex

21:28

NEXT: 16-12-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2013>; Prosoniq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosoniq>; Filing - NASDAQ.com: <http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/filing.ashx?filingid=9246250>

21:28

jezzz google.

21:28

lol pmb

21:28

scampex

21:28

makes it sound so innocuous

21:28

'you scamp!'

21:29

http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-rezultate-august-2012/

21:29

MPOE, rezultate August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:29

ty, mp.

21:29

"III. F.PURE.SYNTH is withdrawn due to lack of interest shown by investors. All outstanding shares were rebought, the current float being 0."

21:30

pankkake you know... things today are the way they are and not worse in part because pirate got humiliated on mpex, etc.

21:30

lol: with the caveat that the correct valuation thereof has proven in practice to be more difficult than it seemed in theory.

21:30

there's a certain amt of interaction one's stuck with.

21:30

how did pirate get humiliated on mpex?

21:30

when they were running out of liquidity a bunch of assholes (goat chief among them, the "bankers" like kludge, jarnett etc,

21:31

started a campaign to list it and sucker the average holder.

21:31

rosenfeld made a fake "short'

21:31

asset. i made the real short assets.

21:31

we've been good friends ever since.

21:31

course they mostly got lost, but anyway.

21:32

rosenfeld's fake short didn't pay out?

21:33

it was so structured so it didn't short anything.

21:33

read up on it, i imagine it's still on the forum.

21:33

i can't open any more bitcointalk.org tabs

21:34

my combudder will impludder under the derp

21:34

anyway, it never got any volume, which was the point of the exercise

21:34

"let me build a strawman show you nobody REALLY wants to short pirate"

21:34

that argument led directly into the 10k bet, and so on.

21:34

history is an interlocking chain.

21:35

and so dense in cryptlandia

21:35

http://www.coindesk.com/bank-stops-working-bitcoin-exchange-campbx-regulatory-uncertainty/

21:35

excellent

21:36

i'm vaguely aware of this 10k bet but lack the full story. highlights?

21:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

21:36

wasn't doing much volume was it ?

21:37

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Vandroiy&sign=ANY&type=RECV and pirate made a bet re pirate's survival. nanotube escrowed it.

21:37

Rating Details for User 'Vandroiy'

21:41

so i got a pm on the forums from goat

21:41

same.

21:41

to the effect of?

21:41

new forum, come check it out

21:41

"At my new forum cryptocrypt.org free-speech will be restricted a bit to enforce rules on being polite and respecting other members. We will have a very low tolerance for insulting others and more or less being a nuisance. Scamming and the like will not be tolerated at all. I hope this will be more civil place to talk about crypto and economics. "

21:42

can't in2 network effects

21:42

also TEH IRONY

21:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00570003 = 0.3192 BTC [-] {3}

21:42

heh

21:42

man i gotta write something up about goat's role in the madhouse

21:42

Revenue from new accounts : 1`830 BTC << wut?!

21:42

sometimes i don't want to be polite ;(

21:42

jimmothy is going to explode

21:42

totally.

21:43

nubbins`: but you're canadian. that's your nature

21:43

;;calc 1830/30

21:43

61

21:43

basically the guy's decided to somehow still matter in btc.

21:43

srsly?

21:43

pretty unclear how that'd work

21:43

but his general sniffing is correct, bitcointalk is spiraling into the toilet.

21:43

nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471636

21:43

still that's a lot of users, I hardly believe it

21:44

kako, heh

21:44

stop doing same shit as i do

21:44

then again... people like the toilet.

21:44

that's a lot of people with 30btc

21:44

mircea_popescu's self-trading nubbins` donchaknow

21:44

it's even more with 20 btc.

21:44

right, that thing

21:44

then again... 50-100 accounts... whatevs.

21:44

well good for you!

21:45

maybe they're refering themselves endlessly?

21:45

free money

21:45

pankkake, money machine

21:45

some days i wonder if mircea_popescu didn't look at Pirate and say to himself "oh so you want to see an elegant scam, do yer?"

21:45

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/21/0215214/amc-theaters-allegedly-calls-fbi-to-interrogate-a-google-glass-wearer << somehow going through your privatge porn is ok,

21:45

AMC Theaters Allegedly Calls FBI to Interrogate a Google Glass Wearer - Slashdot

21:45

but you copying their shitty movie is not.

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old news

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is old

21:46

recording in a theatre is a crime here in canada as of a few years ago as well

21:46

they will srsly call the police and charge you :0

21:46

benkay we're even then, that wondering is even older than pirate :D

21:46

think about the madness of that for a moment

21:47

"if you point a machine at our large smooth wall, the police will put you in jail"

21:49

mircea_popescu how did you construct the pirate short that worked?

21:51

it basically mirrored exactly all the specific performance points teh "bankers" made on their announcement.

21:51

like, so and so shares issued by so and so date doing etc.

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[23:07:39] <gribble> Sent 6 hours and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> ^

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SUPER HELPFUL ;(

21:52

well grep the logs, breh

21:52

nubbins` :D

21:52

tbh i like the title

21:53

portraits of bitcoin's infamous, accompanied by quotes

21:53

a lovely inking of yifu with "this isn't good for my chi", etc

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:D

21:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999994 = 1 BTC [+]

21:53

http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/

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The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad

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Arbitration & escrow are being provided by Nanotube

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http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1pko9y/the_bet_bmr_and_sheep_to_die_in_a_year/

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The Bet: BMR and Sheep to die in a year : SilkRoad

21:59

if only these experts had heard of bitbet.

21:59

well, fix it

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sokay.

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you cant fix reddit

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you cant fix cognitive

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you cant fix shit.

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better give up then ;)

22:02

im not trying to fix

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just trying to spare times.

22:03

fundamentally speaking, time spent trying to improve the lives of idiots is a waste.

22:03

especially if their lives end up improved as a result.

22:04

"I begin implementing code changes to freeze funds and dump them to myself. I was unable to cope with the stress and constant demand, so I panicked. I am sorry for my actions, but with the funds I gathered from the site, I will be able to keep myself from being homeless for the next several months. I will always remember those that made this possible."

22:05

lol apparently nefario v2.0 was running a silkroad clone

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or wait, was this intersangro v2.0

22:06

hmm where is that from?

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321917.0

22:08

Black market owner shuts down, takes BTC with him

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bitbet would be a great tool as insurance against black market closure

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provided bitbet wants too though

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-o

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hello

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hai.

22:16

asciilifeform

looking forward to the mega-scams involving 0.001btc total, a few yrs. from now

22:17

getting there yeah

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amazing

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AMAZING COMPANY!

22:27

taht story

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}

22:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10200001 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59858299 = 4.1901 BTC [-] {6}

22:37

what's altcoin diff yet ?

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will chaneg in a few secs

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00090993 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {4}

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"difficulty" : 16.00000000

22:39

o hey. two in a row.

22:40

still 1+ block per sec, I suspect a lot are lost to stale and orphans

22:40

coingen really makes terrible coins :))

22:41

lol i wonder why exactly that is

22:41

why what? the starting difficulty is too low for todays's hardware

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no, why terrible.

22:44

bad settings of starting difficulty and its adjustments; no seed nodes; same genesis block for all coins and I think same RPC port

22:44

ic.

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i emailed him about getting the source

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so we'll see

22:45

cool

22:46

going to sleep, hopefully will be rich tomorrow

22:46

"connections" : 26 that part is underwhelming

22:46

i quit mining.

22:47

most gets orphaned

22:47

pankkake coin?

22:47

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 10000 @ 0.005 = 50 BTC

22:47

yeah :/

22:47

Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0

22:49

someone do AltGrCoin

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4868391#msg4868391

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[NEW] The REAL Altcoin

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your shenanigans have been called.

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i replied

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All altcoins are altcoins, but only one altcoin is Altcoin.

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duh

22:50

get a domain and put up the logo

22:50

i'm tellin yall, Hodor Coin is the next Bitcoin

22:51

I like Hodor Coin

22:52

what about Buttcoins, pegged to 1 buttcoin value

22:52

that would be centralized!

22:52

unless we have colored buttcoins?

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rude

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you put lipstick on a number of cocks, all different colors

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and then you mine.

22:52

'colored'

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rude was your daddy when he put it in your momma

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hahah mp

22:56

talk about growth hacking. 20 btc into 1800.

22:57

that's some good marketing stats.

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fwiw, i don't believe they are in fact marketing stats.

22:59

what are they?

22:59

what i mean is : wall street "experts" love to take a fee if the fund does well.

22:59

statistically, the fund will do well sometime.

22:59

they have nothing to do with it.

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similarly here : if you throw money around at some point good things may happen. just because marketeers imagine they have a monopoly on money beng thrown around

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doesn't give them license to imagine good things happening are a marketing event

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so you're saying you weren't sure it would work, so you shouldn't get full credit.

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just as well i could believe it's a sign from god and go into the church.

23:01

but still, a nice move!

23:01

believe it or not, i'm saying the entire marketing consideration didn't even enter into it.

23:02

you don't know how to take credit for good luck do you? what kind of ceo are you?

23:02

i'm an owner-ceo.

23:02

incredible, huh ?

23:02

website will be up in a bit

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why is it down! scam!

23:04

omg this namecheap interface...

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lol I PREDICTED

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management interface looks the same

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it's like 2000s ugly admin surrounded by trendy 2010s css

23:05

i dunno how the fuck it would, i had to use mine with nocss.

23:06

how the hell do i get ftp access or something

23:06

i can find so many features

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just none i need

23:07

ahaha madpax ftw.

23:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00091307 = 10.6829 BTC [+] {2}

23:11

this Hosting Dashboard has no hosting

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yo dog.

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we know you don't like hosting so we took your hosting out of the hosting dashboard.

23:23

http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1whket/cantina_market_mega_thread_up_vote_for_visibility/

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Cantina Market Mega Thread (Up vote for visibility, this is a self post I receive no karma) : DarkNe

23:23

more lulzy

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it's incredible how stupid these people are individually. the aggregate boggles.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999994 = 0.15 BTC [+]

23:25

wonder whatever happened to that kid that came in here trying to start his own silk road at his college

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hopefully he got lazy and is now trying to shag this blonde teen.

23:26

anyway, this debacle really reminds me of the bitdaytrade thing

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http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1wh8ey/cantina_marketplace_was_not_hacked/ << typical

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Cantina Marketplace Was NOT Hacked : DarkNetMarkets

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"It would be neat if a (formerly) decent darknet market were to release their source code under an open source license. Some platform to build your darknet market on would be nice, rather than starting from scratch."

23:28

because code = business. at least if you're a redditard.

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"INSERT INTO users(username,password,PIN,account_type,UID,RegDate,BTC,Purse,btc_timestamp, About_me) VALUES ('" . $_POST["username"] . ", " . $_POST["password"] (...)"

↖ ↖

23:30

check that shit out.

23:31

this is php syntax isn't it ? or does ruby use that $_post construct ?

23:31

its php

23:32

"They chose "password1" as their admin password."

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http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/29/cantina-marketplace-pwnd-admin-password-was-password1/

23:33

Cantina Marketplace PWND: Admin Password was: “Password1″ ? | Deep Dot Web

23:36

okay it's up http://therealaltcoin.org

23:36

Hello,

23:36

I am the owner of RoadSilk and I would like to ask if its possible to change the status of our website on the marketplace list.

23:36

We are legit and we do everything to make it the most secure & safe marketplace ever.

23:36

I know, we are not looking very legit but if we get some help with popular sites like yours, then everyone will notice how legit we are.

23:36

Currently we advertise on pages like TORSEARCH.

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URL: kbhpodhnfxl3clb4.onion

23:36

We offer high security and 100% NO-bitcoin lose.

23:37

ThickAsThieves do you even mine it /

23:38

No I have vowed not to mine it

23:38

But I will buy it

23:39

i dont premine, ythink i'm some kinda scammer?

23:39

a ok.

23:39

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC

23:39

actually it's probably better to buy it than o mine it.

23:39

seeing how buying costs the same, but also pumps it through the trade.

23:40

another pm "May I ask what are your plans with this coin, are you gonna take it seriously ?"

23:40

what does that even mean?

23:41

What would my difference in behavior be if I were serious vs. not serious?

23:42

the coin wouldn't exist vs the coin does exist

23:42

it does matter.

23:42

in fact, from a game theory perspective, the total dollar value of your comittment sets his maximum comitment in turn

23:43

the discount rate of commitment is a market variable, roughly analoguous to the risk free rate in an economy

23:43

and jesus fuck i've spelled commitment each possible way

23:44

So what if I post that I'll buy 10BTC worth when it lists on Cryptsy

23:45

i dunno, i'm guessing he may risk his 0.05 btc

23:45

if there's 200 of them it stabilizes

23:45

if there's 20k of them it explodes

23:45

etc.

23:45

im curious if you beat doge's estimated returns or not.

23:46

ie, whether you ever make 6 btc back, or if you make more.

23:48

i'll need to pay someone to update the logo in the wallet once i get the source

23:48

people didnt like the ugly blue one

23:48

goes to show, spending 10 minutes on a logo is better than spending 4 minutes

23:48

pankkake is your man, you can pay him in bernankecoin

23:49

lol

23:49

will Namecheap fuck me if i host the package?

23:49

this thing is obv going viral

23:49

:)

23:50

lol

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just get a vm somewhere, dns webhosting sucks in principle.

23:55

You think a Cryptsy.com Lists Altcoin bet would pass the Halls of Judgement?

23:56

you zeroconfing the no ?

23:56

bet x on yes, pay vern x -10, profit

23:56

srsly. i mean cryptsy exists to list everything neh ?

23:56

"I have no idea man. The fucking admin has disappeared. All people thinking us fucking mods in on it and we had no idea. We have no access to anything at all. All we can do is ban users and delete forum posts. We also lost everything. Invested so fucking much. No job, no security, now in fucking huge debt all because of honest promise of pay. I stil have some kind of hope, but its running out fast. I really re

23:56

ally fucking hope this is just life problems for the admin team, but I have no idea. Thanks man for your support. This is a total fucking disaster though by the looks of it.

23:56

Im so fucking sorry for everything Ive said in the past. I got scammed just like every other fucking person. Scared for my fucking life now people trying to fucking dox us because they think were in on it. Fucked up man fucked up."

23:57

so.. bitdaytrade

23:58

Apocalyptic

not enough fucking

23:58

Duffer1 this is a diff one.

23:58

yea

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