Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-07-17 | 2014-07-19 → ↓
00:00 BingoBoingo !up chax
00:01 * BingoBoingo marvels over how common aluminum oxides are and yet how coveted particular tained aluminum oxides are
00:04 asciilifeform decimation: knuth was, in fact, wrong. there are inadequacies in a pseudorandom sequence of whatever variety that do not concern cryptography at all. see, for example, this - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674
00:04 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
00:08 dub BingoBoingo: related thinkg floated past my twitter feed http://kidsactivitiesblog.com/9140/mummification-lets-mummify-barbie
00:08 assbot Mummification: Let's Mummify Barbie! - Kids Activities Blog
00:09 * BingoBoingo has mixed feelings. would like to see if pcp give asciilifeform further practical paranoia or takes him over the edge
00:09 * asciilifeform hasn't tried, generally works sober
00:11 * BingoBoingo still believs in "Balmer Coefficient" even if Ballmer hasn't hit it himself in decades.
00:12 BingoBoingo dub: I am horrified at that lapse. You can't rightly mummify things that never lived.
00:16 dub china brings teh science https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsyt5ZrCAAEDBPT.jpg
00:16 dub (official party twitter acct)
00:16 BingoBoingo dub: OMG 7 is te new 4!!!
00:18 dub and if you fold a 20 yuan note in 3 and holt it upside down maos nose looks like a 7
00:21 dub also teh cure for aids was on that flight
00:22 dub and 7 is the gayest number
00:23 BingoBoingo I thought <-8 was the gayest number
00:24 dignork numerlogy - extreme facepalm http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/in-extremis-bodies-with-no-regret-sandro-giordano-9.jpg
00:27 BingoBoingo !up jborkl
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00:46 jborkl Thank you
00:47 BingoBoingo You are welcome jborkl
00:49 jborkl So how is the mpex rebuild progressing?
00:55 BingoBoingo Seems to be going from MP's reports... Just the pain of rebuilding and robusting at the same time is a further necessary pain
00:59 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
00:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 626.89, Best ask: 626.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 626.89, 24 hour volume: 4729.62277386, 24 hour low: 610.0, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 619.870745689
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01:35 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/490006684354355200
01:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/17/beware-the-source-or-the-festering-of-innovation-maybe-even-of-song-of-natures-wrath-but-who-really-knows-so-stfu/
01:40 BingoBoingo So... mircea_popescu offers camgirls 0.1 BTC for tits, I offer lawsky 0.01 for sharpie in the pooper
01:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.17409562 = 11.1421 BTC [-] {16}
01:49 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html on #b-a site is broken because benkay kills blawgs
01:49 assbot 404 Not Found
01:52 BingoBoingo !up bayareacoins
01:52 BingoBoingo !up smidge
01:54 bayareacoins Thanks man
01:54 BingoBoingo You're welcome
01:54 bayareacoins How is your day going? Anything fun and exciting or just another day in the neighborhood?
01:55 BingoBoingo Just drunk as fuck and shat out a new blawg post
01:55 bayareacoins Niceeee whatcha drinking on?
01:56 BingoBoingo bayareacoins: Grain alcohol and distilled water. POE
01:56 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/DoubleEmMartin/status/489934497434308608
01:57 bayareacoins If you ever need a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle or anything similar to that let me know and I can probably beat markets price
01:57 BingoBoingo WFT is Pappy van winkle???
01:58 bayareacoins Small batch bourbon. Best bourbon in the universe good sir.
01:58 BingoBoingo And how does it advance my goal of purity of essence. Simple mix of ETOH and H2O
01:59 BingoBoingo Ruskies just shot down a plane of CIA aids inventors https://twitter.com/DoubleEmMartin/status/489945991949594624 have to start cleansing nao.
01:59 bayareacoins If you have to ask then you probably don't need to know :D Just know if you ever do want a bottle of Pappy hit me up :)
02:00 bayareacoins Now that you heard about it tonight I bet you hear about it at least twice more this week. Generally how it works
02:00 BingoBoingo I actually prefer the standards. Distilled liqour is an area where the scaling up tends to produce more consistent quality.
02:01 bayareacoins lol
02:01 bayareacoins These are $2000 bottles + . They only bottle 3000 23yr's on the years they do bottle.
02:02 BingoBoingo And if I am in a Whiskey mood how does $2000 for moonshine beat General Grant's favorite old corw at the low end or moiety's people at the high end?
02:03 bayareacoins You've seen $2000 moonshine before?
02:03 bayareacoins I'm from the Ozarks and have never seen that :D
02:05 bayareacoins BingoBoingo good sir, you have a wonderful night. I'm off to holler at this chick and then pass out.
02:05 BingoBoingo bayareacoins: That's part of the problem with the price point. I've drank small batch hillbilly made and aged moonshine. Scarcity for its own sake does not guarentee a premium product
02:05 BingoBoingo lol
02:05 bayareacoins You're out of your element Donny :D google Pappy Van Winkle. Gnight :D
02:07 BingoBoingo I have a feeling the natural end to this debate would be similar to Mircea's debate about wines
02:08 BingoBoingo Trying to jsut artificially up the price is an LVHM sort of scam
02:13 dub there is the small matter of aesthetics
02:18 BingoBoingo dub: Aethetics is a large matter
02:19 BingoBoingo Whiskey can only get so good in Kentucky and Wild Turkey and Knobb Creek own that niche. To get better you need Wisky from Scotland.
02:30 dub im not going to argue but I know people who would
02:32 dignork BingoBoingo: why do you assume that killswitch opportunity is over (your link to loper)?
02:33 BingoBoingo dignork: Nash Equilibrium
02:34 dignork at the time of writing balance was different?
02:35 BingoBoingo Well compare pub dates.
02:37 dignork 2 years ago, gox is dead, large holders still exist, potential of dropping price to near zero is still there
02:40 BingoBoingo Dropping to near zero on Stamp et al is still possible, but... Actual drop to near zero isn't possible...
02:40 BingoBoingo Not anymore
02:40 dignork ;;market sell 100000
02:40 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10818261.1549 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 108.1826 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 39.6821 seconds
02:41 BingoBoingo And who other than a govenment would survive doing such a sell on stamp to colelct their fiat after the Bitstamp anal probe?
02:43 dignork tbh, i don't think that short price drop would kill the system, but I still don't see how today is different from 2012
02:44 BingoBoingo Well, how much BTC does Usagi or Dank control atm?
02:44 dignork dunno, 10k?
02:44 BingoBoingo Honestly that change was what made $100/BTC possible
02:45 BingoBoingo Nah, maybe together they control 15
02:46 dignork So them loosing btc, makes killswitch impossible?
02:47 BingoBoingo Well, it makes it harder that dude who can't sell his guitar and dude who can't sell his bike no longer have BTC to sell
02:47 BingoBoingo !up Duffer1
02:48 BingoBoingo dignork: That people who hold BTC now are capable of buying more if it goes down instead of crying makes a big difference.
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03:42 mircea_popescu assbot: Stem cell treatment causes nasal growth in woman's back - health - 08 July 2014 - New Scientist << lmao
03:44 mircea_popescu dignork: i thought about it, kind of partial reversal in case hash input size is smaller than hash output << you have to look into rainbow tables. try something easy and well studied like md5
03:44 mircea_popescu by the time you've got a few tbs of rainbow tables you generally also have a good enough understanding of why exactly whitening doesn't do much.
03:50 mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation you'll have to bear in mind knuth was interested in randomness from the perspective of scientific simulation, not from the perspective of cryptography (a topic he never reasearched or to any degree understood)
03:50 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:50 mircea_popescu benkay http://trilema.com/2010/azi-nu-se-sarbatoreste-nimic/#comment-17112
03:50 assbot Azi nu se sarbatoreste nimic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
03:52 mircea_popescu jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing? << slowly.
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04:36 mircea_popescu !up Madeline
04:42 mircea_popescu !up mrX_
04:42 mrX_ ty
04:45 mircea_popescu yw. so who are you ?
04:45 mrX_ BitBet user
04:45 mircea_popescu cool.
04:47 Madeline how do I get gribble to authorize me?
04:47 mrX_ I wonder if BitBet has anything to say about how they are refusing to resolve this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
04:47 assbot BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago
04:47 mircea_popescu Madeline are you registered ?
04:47 pankkake http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
04:47 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
04:47 mircea_popescu mrX_ waiting for teh usms to come up with the winning bid.
04:47 Madeline I'm going to say no
04:48 mircea_popescu Madeline then folow pankkake's link
04:48 pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c3498 lol I love the anonymous comments of BitBet
04:48 assbot BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago
04:48 mircea_popescu pankkake it's almost like 4chan pre-cancer.
04:48 Madeline awesome, thank you!
04:49 mrX_ trolls will be trolls
04:50 pankkake I hope we eventually know though, refunds are no fun
04:50 fluffypony I don't get why that bet is an issue
04:50 pankkake I'm not sure they realize bitbet takes the fee anyways
04:50 fluffypony the price hasn't been released
04:50 mircea_popescu fluffypony new people.
04:50 pankkake they consider it won't ever be?
04:51 mircea_popescu !up bitcoinhtx
04:51 fluffypony pankkake: as far as I'm aware there have been a bunch of FOIA requests submitted, so it will be made public
04:51 mircea_popescu fluffypony wouldn';t be the first time the usg ignores the us law.
04:51 fluffypony that's true, but then we wait for the FOIA requests to be rejected
04:51 mircea_popescu well ya
04:51 pankkake what are the typical delays for this?
04:51 fluffypony pankkake: around a month
04:52 mircea_popescu pankkake legally required to answer within 30 days.
04:52 pankkake wow, well. it's pretty clear it's best to wait
04:52 mircea_popescu and to think tho, this was going to be such a sweet psych op. they had it all planned and shit. and nao...
04:52 mircea_popescu cowering behind desks, can't even say what the grandiose auction closed for.
04:53 fluffypony maybe they've been asked not to release the price
04:53 fluffypony by the winner
04:53 mircea_popescu a few moar victories like this and teh usg won't need any defeats.
04:55 pankkake what, you think there's an organized conspiracy or something?
04:55 Madeline I came here to draw something on my tits from this post - http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
04:55 assbot I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:55 mircea_popescu pankkake yes. they were going to announce it originally. but then...
04:56 mircea_popescu Madeline link to your prev work ?
04:56 pankkake I wasn't aware of any promise to make the price public
04:58 Madeline http://vidble.com/album/dUG1p0JH
04:58 assbot Vidble
04:59 Madeline http://i.imgur.com/yaC1lNR.jpg
04:59 mircea_popescu Madeline got anything where you're a) nude and b) it's not a grainy 320x200 px ?
05:02 mrX_ I would be surprised if they made the price public any time soon
05:02 mircea_popescu mrX_ whyssat ?
05:02 mrX_ Typical government
05:03 mrX_ Only releasing things when forced
05:03 pankkake but that's what the FOIA requests are for right?
05:05 Madeline Well, I just started getting naked on the internet in the last 48 hours, sooooo... not yet! BUUUUT... I'm ready to break out the DSLR and bestow upon you the gifts of my HD nakedness.
05:06 BigBitz Hmm.
05:06 BigBitz when did we become -camwhores, mircea_popescu?
05:07 mircea_popescu !up Madeline
05:07 mircea_popescu Madeline aite, put 6bb91297 on your tits and shoot it then. here's your model : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744684 and mind that if you don't match her you're not getting paid.
05:07 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
05:07 mircea_popescu BigBitz nothin' wrong with a bit o' fresh tit is there.
05:08 BigBitz There is not..... there certainly is not.
05:08 mrX_ I suppose. I'll give government credit if they do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they deny it as privileged financial information.
05:09 mircea_popescu mrX_ as what ?
05:09 pankkake Madeline: related to your previous questions about gribble, registering and completing the task will likely get you a trust rating
05:09 punkman1 did any other girls show their face or just saffron?
05:09 pankkake like that: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=sexy_saffron&sign=ANY&type=RECV
05:09 assbot Rating Details for User 'sexy_saffron'
05:09 mircea_popescu punkman1 working to improve the qualityt of camwhork
05:09 punkman1 bunch of wannabes
05:10 pankkake since it was posted on reddit where many don't, it's not surprising
05:10 pankkake (and don't do that for a living either)
05:10 mircea_popescu buncha wannabes
05:10 mircea_popescu pankkake saffron was off reddit
05:10 punkman1 plenty of pros on reddit I'd say
05:10 mircea_popescu all kinds.
05:10 mircea_popescu mixed bag of all time.
05:11 Madeline i'll definitely register after I complete my picture challenge... this shit is really cool.
05:12 mircea_popescu what do you do other than strippin' ?
05:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]
05:14 Madeline Am I really "stripping?" I feel like that technically requires a linear timelines of clothing removal while dancing... I'm just starting straight from naked.
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05:14 mircea_popescu well w/e you'd call it.
05:17 punkman1 coupla girls saw me reading the pay-for-your-tits post, first question "do I have to show my face or just tits?"
05:17 mircea_popescu yes.
05:17 BigBitz do we have tits yet?
05:17 fluffypony BigBitz: we have bitz
05:17 * fluffypony makes a punny
05:17 BigBitz :)
05:18 Madeline Well, aside from being NAKED, I'm going to level up this cliche with COLLEGE STUDENT! Go team!
05:18 BigBitz hmm we have a smart one then... using words like loinera and understanding them.
05:18 BigBitz err linear.
05:18 mircea_popescu Madeline lmao.
05:18 mircea_popescu studying what ?
05:18 mircea_popescu (social sciences)
05:18 punkman1 I told them "what you wanna be like the 100 other shy reddit girls, forget it"
05:18 BigBitz ( home ec )
05:19 mircea_popescu punkman1 word.
05:19 punkman1 maybe I should recruit next time I'm at the nude beach
05:20 BigBitz bring Tits.
05:20 mircea_popescu punkman1 good idea.
05:24 BigBitz I am still seeing no tits... ping timeout... ffs.
05:25 mircea_popescu !up yuckfou
05:28 mircea_popescu !up madeline
05:28 mircea_popescu madeline http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760554
05:28 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
05:29 madeline sorry, my internet exploded and then put itself back together...
05:30 BigBitz So... Tits then?
05:32 madeline tits are coming... I've been busy answering questions about my LIFE to internet strangers because i missed the school house rock episode about not doing that.
05:32 mircea_popescu oic.
05:32 mircea_popescu we're all internet famous here, so no strangers.
05:34 BigBitz I'm not famous.
05:35 mircea_popescu well except you.
05:35 punkman1 everyone gets a minute of fame on the internets
05:37 punkman1 story time: I was at this remote beach camping with a dozen other people. Family shows up one morning via boat and sets up tents nearby. After a few hours Old Man approaches us and is like "hey guys can you put away all the dongs, we got kids here" while not being able to take his eyes off all the perky titties splashing in the water.
05:37 mircea_popescu lol
05:37 mircea_popescu sooo... "hpow about you park your kids somewhere els then" ?
05:38 punkman1 they had unpacked two boatfuls of crap already, too much work
05:39 BigBitz So the way I read that is you were running around with your dong out and other guys had their dongs out.
05:39 punkman1 sure
05:39 punkman1 are you scared of dongs BigBitz?
05:40 BigBitz No bro.
05:40 mircea_popescu well he's not famous, so...
05:42 pankkake to my French ears, your nick sounds like big ding dong
05:44 punkman1 I just don't get this whole "my kid will be scarred for life if he lays eyes upon some genitals"
05:44 mircea_popescu anyway, worst part of remote camping with a dozen other people
05:45 mircea_popescu is that one of those people will be late
05:45 mircea_popescu and everyone will have forgotten the pee tests
05:45 mircea_popescu and hysteria.
05:45 punkman1 lol
05:45 BigBitz do we have tits yet?
05:45 mircea_popescu dude what's your urgency
05:46 BigBitz Boredom?
05:46 BigBitz Expectance?
05:46 mircea_popescu tits are on bitbet.
05:46 BigBitz Trying to distract myself from my real work.
05:46 punkman1 need tits to take mind off silk road auction bitbet
05:46 mircea_popescu must suck not to be famous and having to work
05:59 mircea_popescu !up madeline
06:01 moiety morning all http://vimeo.com/93400363
06:01 assbot Puzzles for Postmen on Vimeo
06:01 moiety !up RedStallion
06:08 fluffypony moiety! you're alive!
06:09 moiety fluffypony: I am! I have been, i just wasnt very well so i was reading logs more. How are you?
06:09 fluffypony I'm ok
06:09 fluffypony how is the sex weeks flat?
06:10 moiety lovely! I got some plants because they were half dying and they've perked up :D how's the flash drive? do you use the keyring?
06:11 madeline almost done
06:13 moiety i've had a ploshay-esque face recently, had a tooth out and took a reaction. hamster-look was inescapable
06:13 pankkake :D
06:14 fluffypony moiety: I haven't used the key ring, but flash drive is awesome - thank you :)
06:25 moiety yvw fluffypony
06:25 moiety hi Vexual
06:25 Vexual hi
06:25 moiety how's things?
06:26 Vexual not too shabby
06:27 Vexual did you set up shop?
06:31 Vexual !up madeline
06:31 madeline okay i have finished!
06:31 madeline TITS ARE READY
06:32 moiety Vexual: i'm still looking at materials, had too much else on
06:32 moiety yay good stuff madeline :]
06:33 madeline sooo... what do I do next
06:34 madeline is there a countdown... a parade...
06:34 fluffypony you upload it and post the link here
06:34 madeline but i wanted a parade first
06:35 moiety o rest assured we're parading
06:35 cazalla looks like i put mario kart down at the right time
06:35 madeline http://vidble.com/oGYGiuvbKu.jpg
06:36 mircea_popescu lol nuts.
06:36 mircea_popescu madeline your bitcoin address ?
06:37 cazalla ah fuck
06:37 madeline 1GhyE6ec2iWzNbZrLnDCM1UJZcWZwAmMnp
06:37 cazalla my old school teacher was on MH17
06:37 cazalla http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2426898/kanahooka-couple-among-those-lost-on-mh17-flight/?cs=298
06:37 assbot Kanahooka couple among those lost on MH17 flight | Illawarra Mercury
06:37 mircea_popescu enjoy.
06:38 madeline thanks dad
06:38 BigBitz damn, cazalla :(
06:39 cazalla yeah :\ I had him in primary school, like year 4 or 5
06:39 BigBitz Awful news. :(
06:39 moiety sorry to hear cazalla, it's really tragic
06:39 cazalla ah i don't really care
06:39 moiety i didn't know anyone on the flight and i kinda do
06:39 BigBitz why 6bb9 1297 or whatever?
06:40 pankkake BigBitz: this was answered before, but maybe you can guess
06:40 pankkake tip: it might depend on your IRC client settings
06:40 BigBitz Hmm.
06:41 BigBitz No idea, pankkake.
06:43 pankkake it's the random id assigned by webchat, you see it in the join line for example
06:44 madeline can i ask a question, or do I have to leave now that i've given up the goods?
06:44 cazalla stay
06:45 fluffypony you don't have to ask to ask, just ask :)
06:45 chetty make an account, hang around :)
06:45 Vexual hey she asked
06:46 pankkake you're more than welcome to stay - and register
06:49 madeline well, it's more than one question actually... how did you all find each other? do you any of you each other in real life? what is the purpose of this particular chat group? how many people are pantsless, but still wearing socks right now?
06:49 chetty lo, nice questions
06:50 madeline *do any of you know each other in real life?
06:51 pankkake some do
06:51 madeline i ez rel gooodz at zee tiepeen
06:52 pankkake I'm at work and fully clothed, thank god for the air conditioning though
06:53 fluffypony I've gotten semi-sober with xmj at the Depeche Mode bar in Tallinn, Estonia
06:53 dub pants and two pair socks here
06:53 Vexual shit it's hotter there than here pankakke
06:53 dub fucking 3c outside
06:53 pankkake http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/05/02/yo-bitcoin-assets-i-put-contrarianism-in-your-contrarianism/
06:53 assbot Yo #bitcoin-assets, I put contrarianism in your contrarianism | pankkake
06:54 chetty many of the people here have met at various conf.
06:54 madeline pankkake: what area of the planet are in the vicinity of?
06:55 madeline because it's the middle of the night where i am... so i assume you're at least half a planet away
06:55 pankkake I'm in France
06:55 pankkake unrelated: https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001512.html
06:55 assbot Financial Cryptography: Casebook for a disaster: google's BebaPay and why it is wrong, wrong, wrong
06:56 Vexual where are you from madeline?
06:57 mircea_popescu madeline http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ start there
06:57 assbot The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
06:57 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/JiAzPyb.gif - how to park
06:59 mircea_popescu lol fluffypony
07:00 madeline california
07:01 Vexual i was guessing hawaii, but i guess im just being pedantic
07:02 chetty !up madeline
07:03 madeline i wish i was in Hawaii
07:07 moiety https://soundcloud.com/ryan-block-10/comcastic-service
07:07 assbot Comcastic service disconnection by ryan.block on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
07:13 madeline so most of you work on bitcoin related endeavors?
07:13 mircea_popescu an' that's all for me. laters.
07:14 pankkake http://moneyandstate.com/reflections-right-privacy-response-nydfs-bitcoin-proposal/
07:14 assbot Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal
07:16 Vexual fucking giuliani
07:17 pankkake madeline: some do, I don't know about most
07:22 madeline that's a great article, or "reflection" rather... thanks for sharing
07:22 kakobrekla while reddit "is this a good thing ??"
07:22 kakobrekla lel
07:26 pankkake both reddit and bitcointalk though regulation will be here to help them
07:27 pankkake thought
07:27 pankkake for months it was all about some "JOBS" act
07:28 pankkake what do they think, that the bitcoin securities exchange would be allowed as is?
07:32 pankkake !up madeline
07:32 dub so don't transact wiht americans?
07:32 Vexual they'll learn
07:32 dub vorhees is tool and what the fuck i swrong with that font?
07:33 Vexual he writes well
07:33 pankkake http://moneyandstate.com/role-bitcoin-money/ this is a good intro to bitcoin actually
07:33 assbot The Role of Bitcoin as Money - Money and State
07:34 dub he writes like an entitled teenager
07:38 dub feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo
07:40 Vexual thats the worst analogy ever; ther is not a single mystery in it
07:42 kakobrekla lol
07:42 chetty <dub> so don't transact wiht americans?//thats about the size of it
07:43 dub im srsly not seeing much downside here
07:43 dub they are increasingly irrelevant and, god willing, wont be around much longer anyway
07:44 chetty but they splash a lot going down
07:47 kakobrekla BingoBoingo link updated ;)
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08:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.00267 = 0.526 BTC [-] {2}
08:16 Vexual hey tat
08:17 Vexual went you once capitalised?
08:17 thickasthieves yeah i decided to see if it was case-sens
08:18 thickasthieves it's not
08:18 thickasthieves hehe /r/buttcoin now has "sponsored by Butterfly Labs" on it
08:19 fluffypony lol
08:21 thickasthieves http://moneyandstate.com/reflections-right-privacy-response-nydfs-bitcoin-proposal/
08:21 assbot Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal
08:22 thickasthieves sry if linked already, havent read yesterday's log yet
08:22 Vexual pankakke linked that not half an hour ago
08:23 thickasthieves fukn florida electricity was all spotty yesterday so i got tired of re-authing over and over
08:23 pankkake I was surprised it wasn't posted earlier though
08:24 thickasthieves i was hoping mp would write something up on the matter
08:26 chetty thickasthieves, its just more muricans digging their own grave
08:27 thickasthieves maybe
08:28 Vexual learning
08:30 thickasthieves processing
08:41 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxuHQPMD7AE
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09:04 thickasthieves http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/07/17/331737485/young-scientists-say-theyre-sexually-abused-in-the-field
09:04 assbot Young Scientists Say They're Sexually Abused In The Field : Shots - Health News : NPR
09:08 Vexual fucking giuliani
09:09 thickasthieves Can Rudy Giuliani Rescue Uber? The ridesharing app’s drivers have variously been accused of rape, kidnapping, and abuse. Now it’s bringing in the former New York City mayor to audit its background check process.
09:09 Vexual shit, the world really is cukoo
09:13 jurov they shoud start to abduct kids, too
09:13 jurov and public indecencies
09:13 pankkake he said kidnapping
09:13 jurov but afaik not children
09:13 jurov yet
09:13 pankkake kid
09:13 pankkake napping
09:13 pankkake no?
09:14 Vexual what about the state licensed taxi drivers?
09:14 pankkake they're Regulated, thus can do no wrong
09:14 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.33142557 BTC. Current weight: 66,299.
09:15 jurov pankkake exactly.
09:15 chetty didn't you guys know, unregulated = evil
09:18 thickasthieves is there any good writing on why money laundering shouldnt be illegal or similar ideas?
09:22 chetty should be a good topic with all the good(bad) examples of what goes wrong with bad law, everything from prohibition to the drug war
09:23 chetty and the gubermint laments about the poor 'unbanked' while banks get harder and harder ...
09:23 thickasthieves harder?
09:24 thickasthieves (unclear what you meant)
09:24 pankkake perhaps they don't like the unbanked because they don't like cash
09:24 chetty well all the kyc and aml rules make it harder for people to get 'banked' (not saying thats a bad thing)
09:26 thickasthieves oic
09:27 thickasthieves it is a bad thing
09:27 thickasthieves money should be more private
09:28 chetty http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/new-underground-economy
09:28 assbot New Underground Economy | Cato Institute
09:28 thickasthieves i'd like to also see some stats on organized crime and terrorism stopped thanks to AML
09:29 thickasthieves Know Your Terroist
09:30 chetty much of the real burden of these compliance costs will fall on those least able to afford it, while those intent on finding their way around it will do so.
09:31 chetty that statement strikes me as the real crux of the issue
09:32 thickasthieves http://www.banktech.com/compliance/aml-and-ofac-compliance-straining-banksand-8217-budgets-study-finds/d/d-id/1296474?
09:32 assbot AML and OFAC Compliance Straining Banks’ Budgets, Study Finds | Bank Systems & Technology
09:32 pankkake it's just about taxes
09:33 chetty taxes and control
09:33 Vexual tru dat
09:33 thickasthieves maybe they should simplify taxes
09:33 thickasthieves just pay a fukn citizenship monthly fee or some shit
09:33 Vexual your everyday highsteeet banj is sgit at tax stuff
09:34 chetty too many people making too much money out of current system
09:36 pankkake if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay
09:36 pankkake I can tell you most Frenchies have no idea they pay >50% a year, yet do
09:37 thickasthieves "Some might argue that developing economies cannot afford to be too selective about the sources of capital they attract. But postponing action is dangerous. The more it is deferred, the more entrenched organised crime can become." This is from a pro-AML article, but it's interesting if you take it out of context to mean any entity (incl government)
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09:38 Vexual i just saw that bhangladesi banker on bloberg today
09:38 thickasthieves http://www.irs.gov/uac/Statistical-Data-Money-Laundering-&-Bank-Secrecy-Act-(BSA)
09:38 assbot Statistical Data - Money Laundering & Bank Secrecy Act (BSA)
09:39 Vexual his stats were impeccible and he accepted 0 bullshit
09:39 thickasthieves So AML gets 800 criminals per year and about 6 years in prison ea
09:39 thickasthieves lol
09:41 Vexual bhangladesh waterfront is buy
09:41 thickasthieves A couple more reports for anyone interested:
09:41 thickasthieves http://www.verisconsulting.com/documents/brochures/the%20global%20cost%20of%20anti-money%20laundering%20compliance.pdf
09:41 thickasthieves https://www.kpmg.com/Global/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/global-anti-money-laundering-survey/Documents/global-anti-money-laundering-survey-v3.pdf
09:42 thickasthieves seems the industry is mostly focusing on automating
09:43 thickasthieves costs rising 50% per year to comply
09:46 thickasthieves "Despite increased investment in transaction monitoring systems, satisfaction has declined. Although transaction monitoring systems continue to represent the greatest area of AML spending, it appears that regulatory requirements are still outpacing system improvements"
09:46 Vexual too long, reasonable steps is all you need
09:47 chetty all that compliance simply drives more and more into underground economy
09:47 thickasthieves "Seventy percent of respondents stated that they had received a regulatory visit which focused on KYC"
09:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 333 @ 0.00267 = 0.8891 BTC [-]
09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00265 = 1.325 BTC [-]
09:56 thickasthieves hmm will NFLX bleed more today, or Monday after earnings report?
09:56 thickasthieves almost time to cover this short
10:04 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM
10:14 pankkake http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/18/071232
10:14 assbot SoylentNews | Fake TSA Screener Infiltrates SFO Checkpoints, Gropes Women
10:17 Vexual i wonder how many pocket knices he stole
10:20 thickasthieves logs were worth it
10:21 Vexual all those brie wheels saved
10:24 thickasthieves Save The Wheels
10:24 jurov http://sw.gurroa.cz/pic/mys-nadro.jpg
10:25 thickasthieves surprise, it's a man boob!
10:37 fluffypony https://www.virusbtn.com/virusbulletin/archive/2014/07/vb201407-Mayhem
10:37 assbot Virus Bulletin : Mayhem a hidden threat for *nix web servers
10:37 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUgOtitc7aU patiently awaiting the bitcoin album
10:38 thickasthieves Vexual, you heard the new Freddie Gibbs?
10:38 Vexual no, link it
10:38 thickasthieves fukn instant cl;assic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj39POBr-OU
10:38 assbot Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Shitsville (Official) - Piata - YouTube
10:39 thickasthieves there're several cool songs on it
10:40 thickasthieves i got the vinyl
10:40 Vexual noice
10:41 pankkake gyeah nigga, shit's real
10:41 Vexual lol
10:41 Vexual bb gonna email snoop now tho
10:43 Vexual wax on drone
10:45 thickasthieves Gais! Storj IPO today!
10:45 thickasthieves watch people lose their bitcoins live: http://storj.io/crowdsale
10:45 assbot Storj - The Crowdsale
10:46 Vexual what is that?
10:46 thickasthieves crowd storage scheme using cryptcoin tech
10:47 Vexual le ponzo?
10:47 thickasthieves basically you buy credits with bitcoin, then in a month the price for credits plummets when people realize how expensive it is in bitcoin
10:47 Vexual or blatant theft?
10:48 Vexual to what sipposed end?
10:48 thickasthieves neither, they are shorting their credit value
10:48 Vexual ghash w/o the mining?
10:48 thickasthieves lol
10:48 thickasthieves sure
10:50 pankkake so it's another maidsafe?
10:51 pankkake it is :/
10:52 Vexual selling somet you can;t probide is theft where im from
10:53 thickasthieves i'm not sure they wont provide, but they obv have their priorities set to getting dat bitcoin now
10:54 thickasthieves oh btw, did i mention developers are keeping half the credits for themselves too?
10:55 thickasthieves "Just three days after opening for business, Seattle's only weed retailer, Cannabis City, announced that its entire inventory had sold out."
10:55 thickasthieves "In a legal market, retail producers and sellers should possess an advantage over the black market," Paul Armentano, deputy director of NORML, said in an email. "They should not be placed at a disadvantage because of the need to comply with unnecessary regulations or egregious taxation."
10:56 FabianB $status
10:56 empyex FabianB: Proxies: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/ MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
10:56 assbot 401 Authorization Required
11:00 thickasthieves RIP MPEx, we hardly knew ye
11:00 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VQye6P8k0
11:01 pankkake but but http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
11:01 assbot BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (56%) on Yes, 6.04 B (44%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 weeks | weight: 33`064 (100`000 to 1)
11:02 thickasthieves should say MPEx instead
11:05 FabianB so should i move over to havelock? ;)
11:10 thickasthieves http://www.pfhub.com/new-virtual-currency-inncoin-is-backed-by-gold-and-ready-to-take-down-bitcoin-950/
11:10 assbot New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin
11:10 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS732zyYfU
11:11 Vexual bitcoin is backed by computers
11:12 chetty Mpex will be back ...
11:12 thickasthieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/18/new-czech-virtual-currency-launched/?mod=MarketsMain
11:12 assbot Czech Republic Gets Its Own Virtual Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ
11:12 thickasthieves auroracoin 2.0
11:12 thickasthieves why WSJ gives these scams attention, no idea
11:12 chetty desperate for news?
11:13 pankkake there have been many auroracoins
11:13 Vexual bitcoin prolly had huge volume today and noone knows
11:13 thickasthieves 'The central bank said the name of the virtual currency resembles the English translation of Česká koruna, the official Czech currency, and therefore was “unfortunate and misleading.”'
11:13 thickasthieves Czech Central Bank sounds quite timid
11:13 thickasthieves oh you are tricking people by creating a deceptive currency? that's unfortunate
11:14 Vexual were you tricked into atrting altcoin?
11:14 Vexual *starting
11:15 thickasthieves i was incited at least
11:16 Vexual tricking is different
11:19 thickasthieves i wrote to the WSJ author to explain that he is shilling
11:23 Vexual at least he's not spammin the chan with hewtube
11:27 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33M7F2H.txt )
11:27 pankkake !b 2
11:27 Vexual good bash sir
11:29 mircea_popescu ok so re mpex : the best news, really. the whole shebang is deployed and actually works, as best as anyone can determine. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases which i expect to pass 100%. bar some improbable unforeseenness, mpex should be back this weekend.
11:30 pankkake so you said twice it would take a week, instead of saying it would take two weeks. smart
11:30 pankkake (actually not really how it happened, but I tried)
11:31 mircea_popescu i k r ?
11:32 mircea_popescu anyway, the gpg blob from the engineer in charge was so long this morning i thought at first he's gonna kill himself and is sending me his life story.
11:33 FabianB $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend."
11:34 empyex FabianB: Temporarily saved.
11:34 empyex FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
11:37 thickasthieves is it weird to have no website at all when exchange is down?
11:38 mircea_popescu thickasthieves like trilema ?
11:38 mircea_popescu FabianB o hey nice
11:38 thickasthieves mpex.co hasnt loaded for a while now
11:38 mircea_popescu $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool."
11:38 empyex mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.
11:38 empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
11:39 mircea_popescu thickasthieves it wasn't really ever intended to do much as "the website"
11:39 thickasthieves but there's other info there that is useful
11:40 Vexual perhaps mpes is getting alibaba
11:40 thickasthieves FAQ, last price, contact, pricing, etc
11:41 thickasthieves http://web.archive.org/web/20140708024022/http://mpex.co/
11:41 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
11:41 Vexual smpoe auddenlt buys 10 everything
11:42 mircea_popescu Vexual including urmom ?
11:42 mircea_popescu thickasthieves well yeah.
11:42 Vexual alibaba is some billions
11:44 thickasthieves i guess i'm just saying it's maybe a lil ghetto to have no website for days
11:45 Vexual ghettos the formulae
11:45 mircea_popescu dub: he writes like an entitled teenager. feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo << yeah well. it's hard dood.
11:45 thickasthieves but i also used to sell brochures and websites for a living, sooooo....
11:46 mircea_popescu i'm not sure ghetto is the word.
11:46 mircea_popescu anticonsumer fo sho.
11:46 thickasthieves unprofessional
11:46 Vexual yeah thats kinda oppositely
11:46 mircea_popescu only if your profession is seo expert.
11:48 thickasthieves google delisted you
11:48 Vexual fee going up?
11:48 thickasthieves ;;google mpex
11:48 gribble Midwest Photo Exchange Home page: <http://mpex.com/>; Midwest Photo Exchange MPEX Learning Studio: <http://mpex.com/learn>; MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
11:48 mircea_popescu thickasthieves yeah dude, google is like, important. everywhere.
11:49 thickasthieves well...
11:49 mircea_popescu i'm sitting here building a system that exists to beat into submission the us congress and it all depends on whether google delists me or not.
11:49 mircea_popescu twitter is a major blow. that sorta thing.
11:49 mircea_popescu this make any fucking sense to you ?
11:49 thickasthieves hey you can take it to extremes to bat it away if you like
11:49 thickasthieves just syain
11:50 mircea_popescu point is, if mpex isn';t fine outside of everything that currently exists on the web, mpex isn't fine
11:50 mircea_popescu because google is going a-fucking-way.
11:50 mircea_popescu itcant be a dependency
11:51 thickasthieves maybe you should block google spiders
11:51 thickasthieves let's all do it
11:51 thickasthieves this wil help the cause
11:52 Vexual ;;google 0-0
11:52 gribble Dividing by Zero - Math is Fun: <http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/dividing-by-zero.html>; Math Forum: Ask Dr. Math FAQ: Zero to Zero Power: <http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html>; Zero to the Zero Power -- Math Fun Facts: <https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/10005.3-5.shtml>
11:53 Vexual google dont know shit
11:53 mircea_popescu maybe just not care you know ?
11:53 Vexual ;;google regex
11:53 gribble Regular expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression>; Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>; RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx: <http://www.regexr.com/>
11:54 mircea_popescu is it ghetto and unprofessional to not care what the feminists have to say ?
11:55 mircea_popescu because i suspect maybe this conceptual harness works more like a control tool directed towards the user
11:55 mircea_popescu than what language is fucking intended to be (a control tool directed towards the environment)
11:56 thickasthieves well i agree with you in that too much weight is being attributed to this concern
11:56 thickasthieves i just disagree that it's all or nothing
11:56 thickasthieves shit man, it's ok to have your website up when your exchange is down
11:56 thickasthieves all i'm sayin
11:56 mircea_popescu lol
11:56 thickasthieves people may even prfer it
11:57 mircea_popescu trilema should be good enuf
11:57 thickasthieves well everything should be the way that disrupts mp the least
11:58 mircea_popescu ^
11:59 mircea_popescu pankkake: if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay << this lol.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78950352 BTC to 12`338 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
12:00 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760791 << the funny thing there, of course, is that "organised crime" simply means "any power structure that's not us".
12:00 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
12:00 mircea_popescu seems quite... organised crime-y to me.
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 25.29973600 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2200 satoshi per share
12:02 thickasthieves hypocrisy as an indicator for a dying system
12:02 mircea_popescu assbot: New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin <<< one a fucking week by now ?
12:02 Vexual prta ghash luck?
12:02 mthreat "organized crime" isn't usually very organized
12:03 thickasthieves just like how fiat arguments against bitcoin taste hypocrtical on examination
12:03 mircea_popescu mthreat actually organised crime isn't usually very well documented.
12:03 mircea_popescu chetty: desperate for news? << no, desperate for "alternatives". and they'd better fucking find some, because I will fuck up with their careers.
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 5.84550366 BTC to 29`438 shares, 19857 satoshi per share
12:05 thickasthieves http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/18/breaking-dell-now-accepts-bitcoin/
12:05 assbot Breaking: Dell Now Accepts Bitcoin - Coin Fire
12:06 chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1l4r0IcAArmGj.jpg
12:06 thickasthieves this coinfire guy is getting teh scoppz
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12:06 thickasthieves scoopz
12:06 mircea_popescu ask him over ?
12:09 thickasthieves https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/490166181157154816
12:09 mircea_popescu nice.
12:09 mircea_popescu mebbe webirc link too ?
12:09 thickasthieves it sounds official cuz i said official
12:09 mircea_popescu you know how to work the ropes!
12:11 thickasthieves k i left link in his blog
12:12 thickasthieves love how all the dying internet boom businesses are embracing bitcoin
12:12 mircea_popescu sweet.
12:12 thickasthieves who the fuck buys dell
12:13 mircea_popescu actually i dont think i ever bought a diff rackable server.
12:13 thickasthieves ah so that's their niche?
12:13 mircea_popescu pretty much yes
12:16 pankkake google is very fast to update websites, it will also come back fast
12:16 pankkake quick*
12:16 pankkake I really can't write lately
12:20 mthreat not sure i'd call it a niche
12:20 Vexual ptoly tagged experimental
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 310 @ 0.00272 = 0.8432 BTC [-] {2}
12:23 pankkake wow, maybe I'll buy a Dell U3011 after all :)
12:23 pankkake unless it's US only
12:23 Vexual dropbox
12:24 Vexual yjeure cheaap
12:24 Vexual *theey're cheap
12:29 pankkake http://www.movetoaustin.io/
12:29 assbot MovetoAustin
12:29 pankkake #13 pic of only girls. eheh
12:31 BigBitz Austin or NYC. That's not a hard toss up.
12:34 thickasthieves dell also offering alienware discounts for btc
12:34 * asciilifeform waits for shortwave-mpex
12:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sadly it seems mpex is one of those things still requiring a fortress.
12:36 thickasthieves lol the WSJ writer wrote back to me "thanks for your thoughts"
12:36 thickasthieves that's irt
12:36 thickasthieves it
12:36 asciilifeform let's fortress with antennae?
12:36 thickasthieves lowercase n all
12:37 fluffypony thickasthieves: it's because you changed your nick to all lower-case
12:37 fluffypony poetic justice.
12:37 pankkake mpex need a trade fortress?
12:37 thickasthieves you are what you eat
12:38 fluffypony hah hah
12:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 188 @ 0.00272998 = 0.5132 BTC [-]
12:41 mircea_popescu thickasthieves he's being pro.
12:42 thickasthieves Coinfire accepted invite
12:42 thickasthieves "I'm in."
12:42 fluffypony !up CoinFire
12:42 thickasthieves g'day Coinfire
12:42 CoinFire Thanks fluffypony Was working on the WoT stuff but likely going to have to finish it a bit later ;)
12:42 CoinFire Howdy thickasthieves
12:43 thickasthieves you seem to be on top of things, been reading since the SR auction
12:43 CoinFire Fighting with my MBP at the moment which is refusing to charge LOL.
12:43 pankkake replace the battery! oh, wait :p
12:43 CoinFire Thanks! Certainly trying to be on top of everything at all times, lots of Google alerts, etc etc
12:44 CoinFire LOL Exactly pankkake - Thankfully it is under warranty for a little while longer.
12:44 thickasthieves i liked the coinjelly stuff, i noticed they wanted to talk privately, did anything come of that?
12:45 thickasthieves (i still think your blog needs a new body font btw)
12:45 CoinFire They've sent me some stuff and I've been waiting further confirmation from the insurance company. We will see how it plays out and if I learn more I will most certainly be updating things and posting a new entry for everyone :)
12:45 thickasthieves cool
12:46 CoinFire I'll agree thickasthieves on the font statement. I am likely going to try and get that changed this week. Another thing on the list of things lol. I find it hard to read on my iPad so it has to change :)
12:46 CoinFire Any fonts you would rather see?
12:46 fluffypony Comic Sans
12:46 thickasthieves yeah it's just too thin, well for google fonts, i recall Cabin being a good one
12:47 CoinFire LOL fluffypony the doge community would enjoy that.
12:47 thickasthieves eh maybe not
12:47 thickasthieves Cabin maybe a lil better for print
12:47 fluffypony Papyrus, then?
12:47 pankkake "Raleway"? I don't have it, so that's why the website looks nice to me
12:47 thickasthieves kina warbly on screen
12:47 thickasthieves raleway is one of those graphic designer trendy fonts from a couple years ago
12:48 CoinFire Do people still even use Papyrus? That was something I asked myself recently then I saw a hair salon had it as a giant window sticker and was just like UGH
12:48 fluffypony hah hah
12:48 fluffypony the only font worse than Comic Sans and Papyrus is...Curlz
12:48 CoinFire Then literally two days later, a church. I just head to shake my head.
12:48 fluffypony that font needs to be stabbed in the face
12:48 * CoinFire agrees
12:48 mircea_popescu hey there CoinFire
12:48 pankkake actually I'm wrong, I have it through google fonts I guess. and yeah, disabling it it's much better, it's too thin
12:49 chetty whatever happened to just over ride the site css with your own font?
12:49 pankkake I'm a fan of just using the default browser font (just use "sans-serif"). assuming most platforms have one that is not ugly.
12:49 thickasthieves Papyrus is Comic Sans for Yoga and Health places
12:49 fluffypony chetty: Google Web Fonts, I'm a big fan
12:49 CoinFire Howdy mircea_popescu
12:50 mircea_popescu people saying you're like on top of the scoops.
12:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760974 like.
12:50 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
12:51 CoinFire LOL That is awesome. Certainly trying to be all over them. Granted that involves virtually no sleeping ever.
12:52 fluffypony you should hire a leggy blonde assistant
12:52 thickasthieves CoinFire we have a blog feed at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ if you wanna learn more about us, more resources are at bitcoin-assets.com, including logs, bash, wiki
12:52 assbot Assets Assimilated
12:52 CoinFire Checking it out thickasthieves!
12:52 CoinFire I totally should fluffypony ;)
12:52 thickasthieves it's a lot to read, but we generally take pride in not being reddites and slaying derpitude
12:53 CoinFire I'll take it!!
12:54 CoinFire I will be sure to get my keys and everything worked out this week as well :) Been working on a lot of stuff. It seems it never ends.
12:55 chetty if it ends we will all be bored
12:55 thickasthieves cool cool
12:56 CoinFire HAHAHAHA So true chetty. So very true.
12:59 kakobrekla at some point ill +m the chan so we can all take a break.
13:00 fluffypony it is +m already...?
13:00 kakobrekla sahtup you are ruining the joke.
13:00 mircea_popescu no vitramins in your cereal huh
13:00 fluffypony lol
13:00 mircea_popescu !up just_mike
13:00 mircea_popescu o look, mike_c bought the just dice brand and merged.
13:00 kakobrekla provably fail microphone?
13:01 kakobrekla eh
13:01 kakobrekla fair
13:01 mircea_popescu /nick just_in_bieber
13:01 kakobrekla justin_time and justin_case
13:01 mircea_popescu sir Case the Just
13:02 thickasthieves cumin_side
13:02 kakobrekla i guess if i make my surname justin, then i can have case and time for kids.
13:02 mircea_popescu indian cooking pronz. "oya baby, put it on the cumin side."
13:02 asciilifeform 'just_mice' << hypothetical future electric rodent shop
13:03 thickasthieves just_ice
13:03 mircea_popescu s/pronz/prawns
13:03 kakobrekla and we are back to reddit lvl.
13:03 fluffypony mircea_popescu: you can't do that unless you're also begging for a flight
13:03 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no we're not. reddit doesn't do wordplay.
13:04 mircea_popescu it does wordcancer.
13:04 kakobrekla heh
13:05 thickasthieves reminds me of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2013#322499
13:05 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
13:05 thickasthieves i wonder if any of our fake name businesses became real ones since
13:05 thickasthieves yep
13:07 asciilifeform '“Just name a disease,” he says, “and we have a cure ready for it.” ... The pills for AIDS look just like the pills for cancer look just like the pills for diabetes. I ask, So these things really aren’t invented? ... “Of course they’re real,” he says and plucks the first two bottles out of my hands. “They’re copyrighted. We have an inventory of almost fifteen thousand copyrighted names for pr
13:07 asciilifeform oducts that are still in development,” he says. “And that includes you.” ... “We’re a total concept marketing slash public relations organization,” he says. “Our job is to create the concept. You patent a drug. You copyright the name. As soon as someone else develops the product they come to us, sometimes by choice, sometimes not.”'
13:08 thickasthieves cointroduction really is a good for a dating site
13:08 asciilifeform 'I ask him, Why sometimes not? “The way this works is we copyright every conceivable combination of words, Greek words, Latin, English, what-have-you. We get the legal rights to every conceivable word a pharmaceutical company might use to name a new product. For diabetes alone, we have an inventory of one hundred forty names,” he says. He hands me stapled-together pages from out of his briefcase in his lap.
13:08 asciilifeform GlucoCure, I read. InsulinEase. PancreAid. Hemazine. Glucodan. Growdenase.'
13:08 asciilifeform (palahniuk's 'survivor'. http://www.altbook.ru/index.php/site/en_survivor_full/681)
13:08 assbot - Survivor - Chuck Palahniuk. Read, download books - alternative book.
13:09 thickasthieves ive read a few of Chuck's
13:09 thickasthieves i liked Haunted most i think
13:11 mircea_popescu thickasthieves no wai. cointroduction ?!
13:11 mircea_popescu do they offer on-site cointraception ?
13:11 thickasthieves well i didnt know it was actually a word
13:11 thickasthieves and the word works
13:11 CoinFire LOL
13:11 thickasthieves ;;ud cointroduction
13:11 gribble Google found nothing.
13:11 mircea_popescu it's horrible srsly.
13:12 thickasthieves "simultaneous introduction of two or more agents or species"
13:12 mircea_popescu about on par with toyota naming their prius replacement Toyota Pizda.
13:12 mthreat cuntroduction
13:12 thickasthieves !up Coinfire
13:13 mircea_popescu mthreat cunt reduction ?
13:13 mthreat it's a thing!
13:13 mircea_popescu site sells alum powder
13:13 mircea_popescu for you know... down there.
13:13 asciilifeform now the interesting part. as i recall, the company in palahniuk's comedy actually exists...
13:14 CoinFire Thanks ;)
13:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda poorly researched tho you know ? the 5mn domain names that were finally abandoned recently were a failed exercise in exactly this
13:14 mircea_popescu 140 won't cut it. they need like 8bn names for diabethes.
13:15 mircea_popescu "The sporting press is awash in liberal themes these days: the "underrepresentation" of African-American head coaches in professional football (nobody seems to object to the astounding overrepresentation of African-American players); the terrible injustice of private golf clubs refusing to accept women as members (funny, it's not a problem if Lady Victory Fitness Centers exclude men); and of course the whole business o
13:15 mircea_popescu f women's sports, the greatest affirmative action program in existence (a woman can win a gold medal at the Olympics despite a performance that might not even qualify her for the men's event---but despite her inferior performance she wins the same medal as the men's winner)."
13:15 asciilifeform if i remember, these folks don't go the pure squatter route, but actually make contact with megacorps and their lead marketing monkeys
13:15 mircea_popescu what is this guy, nuts ? who and why would want to see mixed gender sprint.
13:16 thickasthieves itd be cool if it were competitive
13:17 mircea_popescu there are very few fields where women / men competition doesn't look like a squirrel trying to fight a raccoon.
13:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mocsny wasn't pushing for mixed footraces, so much as torturing some bozo who was obsessed with the 'injustice of exclusion'
13:17 mircea_popescu those usually look like a raccoon trying to fight a truck.
13:18 asciilifeform lol
13:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, he did have some issues this guy. http://pastebin.com/X7WtwLXV
13:18 assbot Women from all races want to bang rich, successful guys. I find it merely curiou - Pastebin.com
13:18 mircea_popescu consider, "sex robots so poor guys can have the same shit as rich guys" ?!
13:18 mircea_popescu wtf is this, derplandia ?
13:18 chetty munchcins vs the harlem globe trotters basketball anyone?
13:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understand, he was discussing why the robots are inevitable from a market standpoint (there are quite a few paupers, and they all want wheels. so we get trambourghini.)
13:23 CoinFire BBL Going to work on a few different things, I'll try and drop in often :)
13:23 CoinFire Thanks for the invite! :)
13:23 thickasthieves thanks for coming by
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't see that as an argument at all. just... you know, drool.
13:26 asciilifeform drool, unfortunately, is the correct explanation for a number of things.
13:26 mircea_popescu if sex robots were widely available today, i'd prolly still not use them. (for that matter, indiancandy is a sex robot, not terribly expensive - a good server costs more than what she would)
13:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're not in the market for a trambourghini, either, as i understand.
13:27 mircea_popescu for very similar reasons.
13:27 mircea_popescu in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.
13:27 mircea_popescu his idea of how to get there is similarly borkted.
13:28 asciilifeform and yet trambos happen.
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 247 @ 0.00273992 = 0.6768 BTC [+]
13:28 mircea_popescu "By the first time I had "sex" (depending on how you define it, since I took things in stages) I had already endured years of frustration and humiliation of an intensity that I don't think I can properly put into words." a ok.
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13:28 asciilifeform the poor man's idea of 'rich', combined with industry, is how we get trambo.
13:28 chetty http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-potential-upend-legacy-payments-system-2014-7
13:28 assbot Bitcoin Potential Upend Legacy Payments System - Business Insider
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 548 @ 0.00273994 = 1.5015 BTC [+] {2}
13:29 chetty <mircea_popescu> in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.//a lot of rich dont seem to have much of a clue either
13:29 mircea_popescu chetty kinda what makes it so difficult.
13:30 mircea_popescu "I don't think an average man can pursue women effectively if he is primarily thinking about how good sex will feel when he gets it. That just isn't the right mindset when a man has to chat up dozens of women before he finds one with whom sex is a reasonable possibility." holy shit, with what woman is sex not a reasonable possibility ?!
13:30 mircea_popescu ok enough of this guy, dear lord.
13:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00273996 = 0.548 BTC [+] {2}
13:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'a chicken also wants to live'
13:31 mircea_popescu this ain't living.
13:31 thickasthieves "when a man has to chat up dozens of women"
13:31 thickasthieves gj
13:31 mircea_popescu ikr?!
13:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00273997 = 0.822 BTC [+] {2}
13:32 mircea_popescu there's nothing more pernicious to the mind than its ability to construct self coherent if spectacularly wrong representations.
13:32 asciilifeform let them eat cake?
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i tell ye, if i perceived i HAD TO chat up women i'd be a fucking homicidal maniac, notwithstanding amazing success rates. even if i never left my own harem and so my success rate was forever 100%.
13:33 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
13:33 mircea_popescu why not just relax and enjoy the fact that you CAN chat up women.
13:33 mircea_popescu or for that matter, trees.
13:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's almost like you read a guide to survival in the arctic, and said 'wtf is this nonsense, just take compass and march south'
13:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 342 @ 0.00273998 = 0.9371 BTC [+] {3}
13:36 asciilifeform the notion that every male of the species can turn into mircea_popescu by effort of will is, at the very least, misguided. i catch quite a bit of crap for insisting that virtually everyone can, e.g., learn mathematics - so i sympathize. but it's still mistake.
13:41 chetty asciilifeform, +1
13:46 thickasthieves http://www.dell.com/bitcoin
13:46 assbot Dell now accepts bitcoin | Dell
13:46 thickasthieves "What is Coinbase? Coinbase is the world's largest platform for buying and selling bitcoins for US dollars at the current market rate."
13:46 thickasthieves it's like the only biz that fits that description, no?
13:47 los_pantalones what is the current market rate?
13:47 thickasthieves whatever they it is
13:47 thickasthieves say
13:47 los_pantalones so there are many
13:47 los_pantalones that match that description
13:47 thickasthieves platforms?
13:47 los_pantalones yes
13:48 thickasthieves word
13:48 thickasthieves i thought the rest were real exchanges
13:48 asciilifeform 'Do you also lecture people with Down's Syndrome on how they could learn to write 10,000 line Perl scripts if they just take it one step at a time? For some things there seems to be some minimum takeoff velocity.'
13:48 asciilifeform (https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=soc.men/UnmiJcstddY/lQGxvNGTKBkJ)
13:48 thickasthieves how is coinbase claiming they are largest then?
13:48 los_pantalones thickasthieves we have a private one to our customers
13:49 los_pantalones i suspect we are far from alone
13:49 los_pantalones that is just their claim
13:49 los_pantalones you are also thinking of the word "platform" too narrowly
13:49 los_pantalones #bitcoin-otc would count
13:50 los_pantalones lots of transactions take place OTC on skype
13:50 los_pantalones these count
13:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 215 @ 0.0027493 = 0.5911 BTC [+] {3}
13:52 mike_c anybody can write a 10,000 line perl script. it's making it a 100 line script that's hard.
13:53 chetty http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-07-17/fedex-indicted-for-distributing-controlled-drugs-online
13:53 assbot FedEx Indicted for Shipping Drugs for Online Pharmacies - Businessweek
13:53 asciilifeform mike_c: i vaguely recall some joker who wrote a complete 386 pc emulator in about 1k of perl. that's the kind of thing being spoken of, i think.
13:54 asciilifeform chetty: RIP 'common carrier doctrine'
13:54 asciilifeform it was a nice 100 years.
13:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think there's a space between arguing that nobody should bang head against wall and arguing everyone should be god.
13:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, you're trying to say to a fellow in padded cell, 'stop banging head.' generally good advice - except that sex drive doesn't ship with an 'off' switch.
13:55 mircea_popescu los_pantalones there's this derpitude tradition where noobs claim firstbiggest first to be one day biggest.
13:56 mircea_popescu it's roughly the equivalent of "callin it"
13:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it also doesn't ship with any particular rule as to how it is to be employed or manifested.
13:58 mircea_popescu which is really where the problem starts. overactive sex drive makes kids misrepresent the facts of the matter : it's true that women make for convenient release, but it's not true that's what women ARE.
13:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 209 @ 0.00275172 = 0.5751 BTC [+] {3}
13:58 mircea_popescu as the weirdo ages and frustration builds, this distinction becomes less readily accessible. nevertheless...
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: women also aren't food - but the proverbial airplane crash castaway might beg to differ.
13:59 mircea_popescu i know a few women i'm kinda tempted to eat with some regularity.
13:59 asciilifeform lol
13:59 mircea_popescu no actual cannibalism so far tho
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 957 @ 0.00280116 = 2.6807 BTC [+] {5}
14:00 mircea_popescu but yes, i daresay that i'd still chat up women in the andes. wtf do i care about survival anyway.
14:00 mircea_popescu a life unpleasant is not worth surviving.
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1465 @ 0.00281744 = 4.1275 BTC [+] {4}
14:01 asciilifeform chetty: if fedex could leave usa to the mice and roaches, now would probably be the time. but don't hold your breath waiting for this.
14:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 229 @ 0.00282971 = 0.648 BTC [+] {6}
14:03 chetty asciilifeform, there is something in the usa other than mice and roaches?
14:03 * asciilifeform pops an antenna, chitters inquisitively
14:16 thickasthieves http://www.pfhub.com/russia-makes-32-billion-dollars-of-cubas-outstanding-debt-disappear-953/
14:16 assbot Russia makes $32 billion dollars of Cubas outstanding debt disappear
14:17 chetty http://banksworstfear.com/bitcoin-remittances-effect-now/
14:17 assbot Bitcoin Remittances are In Effect Now | Banks Worst Fear
14:21 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/dell-com-accepting-bitcoin-offering-10-discount-alienware/
14:25 thickasthieves i should do $500/seat L2Bitcoin seminars for the local mexicans and guatemalans
14:25 thickasthieves (re chetty's link)
14:29 danielpbarron "If you would like to purchase XCP for Bitcoins, we advise that you use a centralized exchange for the time being. We are in the process of developing features that will make the purchase of XCP on Counterwallet very simple, and expect these to be working soon. Thanks for your patience." via http://counterwallet.co/ #AmazingCompany
14:29 assbot Counterwallet
14:37 bitcoinpete ;;nethash
14:37 gribble 139988399.294
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15:04 asciilifeform http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1202453/human-random-number-generation << this topic will never really die, will it.
15:04 assbot Human random number generation | Ludology | BoardGameGeek
15:09 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: hey everyone that is awake : please put in a list of five words that you'd estimate are the key terms for [your interest of] b-a << history, finance, philosophy, digital security, bitcoin
15:17 mircea_popescu thickasthieves not entirely a bad idea.
15:21 fluffypony five words: general management, cryptography, finance, cryptocurrencies, risk management
15:21 fluffypony two of those are phrases, meh
15:26 asciilifeform mathematics, systemantics, chumpatronics, polemology, psychoceramics.
15:30 mthreat teledildonics
15:33 kakobrekla i just like the pics.
15:33 kakobrekla 5 words.
15:34 mthreat how about a haiku for #b-a
15:35 princessnell http://www.cnbc.com/id/101849169
15:35 assbot Time for digital currencies to grow upbitcoinommentary
15:35 princessnell "As the creator of a digital currency, I..."
15:37 asciilifeform mthreat: haiku << 'If only we might fall / Like cherry blossoms in the spring / So pure and radiant !'
15:37 * asciilifeform associates haiku solely with kamikaze send-off ceremony
15:37 fluffypony oh no princessnell
15:37 fluffypony that guy
15:37 fluffypony is such an utter fucktard
15:37 fluffypony with his NautilusCoin bullshit
15:38 asciilifeform 'Since my body is a shell / I am going to take it off / and put on a glory that will never wear out.' (one mr. kenzo ishijima)
15:39 * asciilifeform invites anyone who knows some other kind of haiku to substitute that.
15:39 fluffypony and don't get me started on Dirac
15:39 fluffypony http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/nautiluscoin-future-of-cryptocurrency/
15:39 assbot How NautilusCoin could change the digital currency marketforever
15:39 fluffypony that's David Seaman doing the pump
15:40 fluffypony then the market is like "lol wtf is this shit"
15:40 fluffypony https://medium.com/@d_seaman/nautiluscoin-and-dirac-misunderstood-df353a9b6296
15:40 assbot NautilusCoin and Dirac, misunderstood Medium
15:40 fluffypony this is my favourite quote:
15:40 fluffypony "I think money is exactly the same. I don’t think consumers will care much for the community their coin has; they will care about the algorithm. Or, more accurately, they will care about how the coin performs (mining cost, speed, security) because of that algorithm."
15:42 bitcoinpete fluffypony: or "I’m not “hyping” these coins. These are advancements in cryptocurrency that not many people have noticed yet."
15:43 fluffypony heh heh
15:44 thickasthieves <+princessnell> "As the creator of a digital currency, I..." /// wtf is this, major media shilling alts day?
15:44 fluffypony thickasthieves: Brian Kelly is a fucktard
15:44 fluffypony he's a CNBC "contributor" (read: blogger)
15:45 fluffypony and he "created" NautilusCoin (read: someone else did the work)
15:45 thickasthieves <+fluffypony> "I think money is exactly ... lulz abound
15:45 fluffypony and it has a fat premine for a "stabilisation fund"
15:46 princessnell o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females.
15:48 thickasthieves princessnell system dump, reboot
15:48 thickasthieves hehe
15:48 princessnell thickasthieves and so it goes
15:51 thickasthieves and goes and goes http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-bitcoin-professional-womens-network/
15:51 assbot SecondMarket Hosts Bitcoin Talk for Professional Women's Network
15:53 pankkake a fiat currency will disappear in 27 years on average. So, if you live outside the US […] the currency you use in your daily life will likely go away in 27 years
15:53 pankkake lol, statistics
15:54 mike_c median, mean, whatever.
15:54 thickasthieves ;;estimate
15:54 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 18802851546.1 based on data since last change | 19651756602.8 based on data for last three days
15:54 asciilifeform pankkake: 'the average number of cocks is one half'
15:59 princessnell thickasthieves v heavy on the propagandaspeak
16:11 mircea_popescu princessnell: As the creator of a digital currency, I..." << derp's never ending quest for relevancy.
16:12 mircea_popescu one'd hope teh us propaganda drive to support their braindamage will collect better heads than the twinkletoss twins and nautilus coin guy.
16:13 mircea_popescu i get more for .1 a tit for crying out loud. wasn't the usg supposed to be like rich and powerful and whatnot ?
16:14 mircea_popescu "But what made Google successful as the world’s preferred search engine was not great “community” or shibe memes or aggressive marketing on Twitter." << orly.
16:14 mircea_popescu "as a creator of a google, I know what made google successful!"
16:14 princessnell the pipers only have to be as good as the mice they're leading
16:15 mircea_popescu princessnell: o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females. <<< precisely.
16:15 mircea_popescu you sound like you went to school for this or something.
16:15 princessnell nah, i just read a lot
16:15 mircea_popescu and no re the pipers.
16:15 princessnell well, i'm going to school for econ, which has applicable tools
16:15 mircea_popescu in general you can evaluate who's going to win a battle just by looking at piperquality.
16:16 mircea_popescu they who have the rubens and van dykes win.
16:16 princessnell i think that's right
16:16 mircea_popescu black victory was predictable just looking at greenwich village cca 1960.
16:17 mircea_popescu nautilus coin guy needs to learn to play an instrument.
16:17 princessnell ya well, in the us instruments are relative, maaan
16:18 princessnell too many people have been getting by on bs for so long that few know anything else
16:19 princessnell they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI
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16:19 assbot Joshua Bell playing violin in DC Metro Station. Please Stop and Hear the Music!!! - YouTube
16:24 mircea_popescu amusingly, that's on trilema.
16:24 mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com joshua bell
16:24 gribble No matches found.
16:24 mircea_popescu meh,
16:25 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-philosophy-freedom-of-scientific-information/
16:25 assbot In re “Philosophy : Freedom of scientific information” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:25 mircea_popescu there
16:26 chetty http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18/holding-company-portugals-2nd-largest-bank-just-filed-bankruptcy-protection
16:29 princessnell that's a good one
16:31 mircea_popescu !s portugal
16:31 assbot 9 results for 'portugal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=portugal
16:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756255 yest :D
16:32 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
16:32 mircea_popescu ;;ident mike_c
16:32 gribble Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user 'mike_c', with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None
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16:48 chetty http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/07/intellectual-and-practical-foolishness-the-precautionary-principle/
16:48 assbot Intellectual and Practical Foolishness: The Precautionary Principle « Roy Spencer, PhD
16:50 asciilifeform chetty: http://yarchive.net/risks/risks_of_risks.html
16:50 assbot Risks of RISKS (John McCarthy)
16:54 chetty Date: 07 Sep 85, now thats cool asciilifeform tyvm
16:55 asciilifeform chetty: 'yarchive' is a gold mine.
16:56 asciilifeform (before anyone asks - no, i have not the faintest idea whether norman yarvin is a relative of curtis)
17:01 asciilifeform relevant in light of recent nyoos: http://yarchive.net/risks/iranian_airbus.html
17:01 assbot Iranian Airbus shootdown (Henry Spencer)
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17:20 asciilifeform more on the subject: http://yarchive.net/risks/vincennes_shootdown.html
17:20 assbot Vincennes shootdown (Rob Horn)
17:31 BingoBoingo http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/07/18/2115220/tesla-model-s-hacking-prize-claimed
17:31 assbot Tesla Model S Hacking Prize Claimed - Slashdot
17:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: still pales in comparison to the mp3 CAN bus hack: http://www.itworld.com/security/139794/with-hacking-music-can-take-control-your-car
17:35 assbot With hacking, music can take control of your car | ITworld
17:41 BingoBoingo Ah yeah, Why the connected car shouldn't be
17:45 BingoBoingo !up RagnarDanneskjol
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18:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/xd1s53Bc
18:00 assbot ought to be SOP, but is it? - Pastebin.com
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18:22 fluffypony ;;seen naphex
18:22 gribble naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Naphex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ttq9oOvks
18:22 fluffypony O.o
18:22 Pierre_Rochard http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-07-16/global-poll.html#bubbles
18:22 assbot Global Poll 2014-07-16 - Bloomberg
18:23 Pierre_Rochard 55% of the ‘financial elite’ believe Bitcoin is “Already a bubble”
18:23 Pierre_Rochard 19% hold that view for U.S. Treasuries
18:34 asciilifeform http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/dev_random.html#update_5 << linus on rng, for anyone who hasn't already read.
18:34 assbot /dev/random (H. Peter Anvin; Theodore Y. Ts'o)
18:39 thickasthieves believed
18:39 thickasthieves the poll is from January
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19:49 benkay salud de canada
20:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 395 @ 0.0027094 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {20}
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 667 @ 0.00266083 = 1.7748 BTC [-] {8}
20:12 benkay so what'd i miss last two days?
20:14 mike_c china declared bitcoin illegal
20:21 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard i wouldn't hold anything bloomberg says against the "financial elite".
20:21 mircea_popescu anymore than i'd hold anything jezebel publishes against "hot college sluts"
20:22 Pierre_Rochard Agreed, I suspect the people who respond to bloomberg surveys are a few layers below “financial elite”
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20:45 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
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21:28 dub !ticker h am
21:28 assbot It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
21:28 dub !ticker h am1
21:28 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.16000000 / 0.17427496 / 0.17810011 (67 shares, 11.67642261 BTC), 7D: 0.16000000 / 0.18260023 / 0.20000000 (421 shares, 76.87469724 BTC), 30D: 0.16000000 / 0.19476211 / 0.23100000 (2179 shares, 424.38663775 BTC)
21:29 benkay !t h rent
21:29 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00368000 / 0.00442061 / 0.00540000 (3154 shares, 13.94260472 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.00400794 / 0.00540000 (9159 shares, 36.70867789 BTC)
21:29 benkay ;;ticker
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21:31 decimation asciilifeform: re: linux on /dev/random "To me it sounds from your description that you may well be on the edge of "too anal". Real life _has_ to be taken into account, and not accepting entropy because of theoretical issues is _not_ a good idea"
21:32 decimation "we have to accept that we can't give real entropy to those that need it, so shut up and get on the bus
21:40 kakobrekla you mean the wagen.
21:41 decimation no, the wagen is for those who refuse the bus :)
21:47 decimation At the end of "the first circle", the prisoners are being removed from Mavrino in a vehicle disguised as a meat truck:
21:48 decimation "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words: MYACO. VIANDE. FLEISCH. MEAT.
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21:48 decimation He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
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21:48 decimation That's what Solzhenitsyn thought about the West back then
21:50 decimation "useful idiots"
21:57 * kakobrekla thinks the bus leads to railway station.
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22:28 thickasthieves "The Chamber of Digital Commerce announced itself on Saturday at the North American Bitcoin Conference in Chicago. The group is registered as a 501(c)(6) nonprofit, which allows it to act as a lobbyist, and is being led by Perianne Boring, a former journalist and Congressional staffer. It has early backing from RRE Ventures and Tally Capital, which are leading a seed-round of fund
22:28 thickasthieves raising."
22:29 thickasthieves is it really called a "seed-round" if it's a non-profit?
22:29 thickasthieves and is seed-round really in need of a hyphen?
22:29 thickasthieves (WSJ)
22:36 mircea_popescu lol chamber of digital commerce.
22:37 mircea_popescu what is this thing with youths where they want to pretend like they're doing shit.
22:39 Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: apprenticeship system broke down due to minimum wage at the low end, and college at the “high end”
22:40 Pierre_Rochard so now we pretend to do shit and hope it sticks.
22:41 mircea_popescu very expensive process.
22:42 mircea_popescu she's a pretty girl, she's ambitious, she's for some reason chosen to fuck herself over the mocsny way.
22:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#761157
22:42 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:42 mircea_popescu just replace "sex" with "business success"
22:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mocsny had other interesting quirks. he was, for instance, ideologically opposed to driving car (pollution!)
22:44 Pierre_Rochard Yes, well it doesn’t seem to be business success that she’s after. Naturally, she’s interested in social validation from her in-group of fellow bitcoiners
22:45 thickasthieves !s perianne
22:45 assbot 6 results for 'perianne' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=perianne
22:46 thickasthieves http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/ she looks like an actress for a cheesy cop show
22:46 assbot Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes
22:46 thickasthieves a dame
22:46 Pierre_Rochard https://twitter.com/PerianneDC/status/462716981356294144
22:47 Pierre_Rochard WHCD stands for White House Correspondents Dinner, where journalists go to pretend like they’re doing shit
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22:47 thickasthieves first comment is good
22:50 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard that's business success.
22:50 mircea_popescu if you're validated for your peers for what you do, that's business success.
22:51 mircea_popescu and whcd is just a little pork, take all these famished kids and serve them a proper meal once a year is the idea.
22:51 mircea_popescu course from what i hear they've been skimping on the catering.
22:52 mircea_popescu !s bitcoingirl
22:52 assbot 203 results for 'bitcoingirl' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoingirl
22:52 mircea_popescu thickasthieves ^
22:52 Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu I think that widens the definition of “business” a bit much. being the accountant that I am, I always look at that net income line. perhaps to my detriment
22:52 thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> course from what i hear they've been skimping on the catering. // what, dollars grow on trees?
22:52 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard but business is doing things, no other definition really works.
22:53 mircea_popescu you can also know things, and you can also fuck really well. that just about covers human experience.
22:53 thickasthieves dont forget hugs and cat love
22:54 Pierre_Rochard I wouldn’t describe the wealthy heiress who is very busy organizing charity galas to be a “business success” - however much she’s “doing things”. Her business is structurally running a loss
22:55 thickasthieves hmm
22:55 thickasthieves you are stretching
22:56 thickasthieves charity galas cant be success now?
22:56 thickasthieves they are a loss?
22:56 thickasthieves what if they raise the money?
22:56 Pierre_Rochard they consume capital, I’ve always thought of “business success” as creating capital
22:56 Pierre_Rochard the more money they raise, the more capital they consume
22:57 Pierre_Rochard semantics
22:58 thickasthieves well they are called nonprofits for a reason
22:58 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard running a loss of what ?
22:59 mircea_popescu all economy is pouring fluid from one vessel to the next.
22:59 mircea_popescu if she's spending her own money to buy something, who are you to know better ? as long as she can keep doing it she's a businessman just like you.
22:59 Pierre_Rochard a loss of capital. I disagree, capital does accumulate
23:00 mircea_popescu or in romanian, "cistigi, pagubesti, negustor te numesti"
23:00 thickasthieves mp i agree strongly with this sentiment
23:00 mircea_popescu so if i spend capital to buy advertising im a bad businessman ?
23:00 mircea_popescu what's this, mercantilism 2.0 ?
23:00 thickasthieves a system persisting is success
23:00 thickasthieves that's all
23:00 mircea_popescu thickasthieves obv.
23:00 Pierre_Rochard we are disagreeing on semantics then, because to me spending:investing::consumption:business
23:01 mircea_popescu maybe we're disagreeing on the point where you cut the space of externalities ideologically and pretend like it ain't so.
23:01 mircea_popescu the mining mogul uses up coal to make money.
23:01 mircea_popescu the socialite uses up money to make whatever the fuck you'd call it.
23:01 Pierre_Rochard no, because you are buying an intangible “capital” good called goodwill / brand awareness / customer education. This capital depreciates over time
23:01 mircea_popescu "pr"
23:01 mircea_popescu everything depreciates over time.
23:02 mircea_popescu the only measure of success is, "is this species still extant or meanwhile extinguished"
23:02 mircea_popescu that's how nature does it.
23:03 Pierre_Rochard well yes, the socialite buys social capital, I would call them a successful socialite, I wouldn’t normally call them a successful businessperson. they would find it offensive to compare their activities to commercial ones
23:03 mircea_popescu what a socialite finds offensive is entirely her problem
23:03 mircea_popescu she'll still take it in the ass.
23:03 thickasthieves wife met with a state senator today asking her to be on the board of a nonprofit that gives public school teachers funds for stuff the school won't pay for
23:03 thickasthieves that outta twist things nicely for ya
23:03 thickasthieves charity to the failings of the gov
23:04 Pierre_Rochard fair enough, so the conclusion is that boring is a successful businessperson?
23:04 mircea_popescu the us is too meta.
23:04 thickasthieves oughta
23:04 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard no. she positions herself as she were, she pretends to be.
23:04 mircea_popescu otherwise, she's a ridiculous teenager, putting online a forum about "how to score chix"
23:04 mircea_popescu while acnee, basement, virgin.
23:04 asciilifeform Pierre_Rochard: start an org that will give funds to pay for stuff the nonprofit won't pay for. do this until stack overflows.
23:04 mircea_popescu but "who's gonna know" right ?
23:06 thickasthieves ascii they are called trusts right?
23:06 asciilifeform 'trust,' afaik, is somewhat generic
23:06 thickasthieves i think it's where the wife wants to end up, deciding which nonprofits get pools of money
23:06 asciilifeform thickasthieves << 'shift' key wore out?
23:07 thickasthieves just spicing things up
23:07 asciilifeform lol
23:08 Pierre_Rochard at what point would you say she is a thing? If she is able to do enough work to raise money for her new organization, is that not a successful business?
23:08 asciilifeform unrelated - is kakobrekla awake? i wish to buy his gadget.
23:08 thickasthieves kako sells gadgets?
23:08 asciilifeform thickasthieves: one in particular
23:09 asciilifeform thickasthieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2014#758843
23:09 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
23:11 thickasthieves ah i see
23:11 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard the objection here isn't on the lines of business. she looks like she could raise a million dollars on the vegas strip np
23:11 mircea_popescu the objection here is that she's working hard, not smart.
23:11 mircea_popescu which is why the link to the mocsny guy.
23:12 mircea_popescu let me tell you a story, it'll perfectly well illustrate what i mean.
23:12 Pierre_Rochard Ok, I’m all ears
23:13 mircea_popescu so, when i went to hs, they made this special "suprareal" class. (in romanian, "real" means you do math, otherwise it's a chick hs doing languages, or a prole hs doing "skills"). they made the entrance so fucking hard tho that only about 18 kids out of the entire region made it. the remainder "fell through" to 3 normal "real" classes at this elite hs.
23:14 mircea_popescu then the ministry decided it won't ok a 18 student class. so they took a dozen the kids that had fallen through 3 normal classes, and had not found an alternative hs in the dozen or so top highschools around. and put them in.
23:15 mircea_popescu now among this dozen, there was a mentally retarded girl. she wasn't badly touched, maybe 80 or so. definitely enough to take care of herself. definitely not enough for high level math. her parents however were i dun recall what academic country gentry, and so they insisted she go.
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23:15 mircea_popescu she came. for four years, that poor unfortunate soul sat there, dreading the moment anyone asked anything. because she knew she couldn't cope. just smart enough to smart.
23:15 asciilifeform lol i remember this story
23:16 mircea_popescu nobody flunked her, because you don't flunk well behaved girls. and so... she made it through. parents beamingly proud.
23:16 mircea_popescu all the kids that were any good left, generally the country. just about now, an elderly lady with a full professorship was looking for an assistant.
23:16 mircea_popescu if possible, a polite and introverted girl.
23:16 mircea_popescu so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
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23:17 mircea_popescu there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
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23:17 mircea_popescu now... is she a thing ?
23:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
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23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they could have thrown her out, np. just...
23:19 Pierre_Rochard Ah, I see what you mean now
23:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i spoke to other people from that time, and they remember her. from other lectures.
23:19 mircea_popescu so, yeah. she can be a thing if she wants. she doesn't, even if she may be too stupid to realise this.
23:20 Pierre_Rochard Reminds me of this diagram (excuse the wp): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Challenge_vs_skill.svg
23:20 assbot File:Challenge vs skill.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:20 asciilifeform 'but dr. x!! i just don't -get- euler's totient! pleeeease explain it again!'
23:25 Pierre_Rochard would it be fair to say “pretending” = taking on a challenge that you don’t have the skills for, and “a thing” = taking on a challenge you have the skills for?
23:26 mircea_popescu i think so.
23:26 mircea_popescu skills broadly speaking.
23:28 Pierre_Rochard Right. Hmm. Going to sleep on this one now. I like the heuristic. I’ll be doing log reading this weekend with that in mind
23:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not sure how similar to your girl, but all i could think of in that lecture was 'why no one humanely shoots this broken horse?'
23:31 mircea_popescu why put her in the spot is more the q
23:34 asciilifeform and$t0, $t0, 0xffbfffff
23:34 asciilifeform lol wrong window
23:34 decimation there's also the dunning-kruger effect, the unskilled strongly tend to think that they are skilled
23:35 mircea_popescu decimation now imagine what happens to a society that takes all the natural victims of this phenomenon, kids aged 15-20, and a) preaches to the girls they should be more like the boys, ie, stupid in this particular manner and b)
23:35 asciilifeform decimation: only goes so far. i really can't imagine this particular specimen thought it was skilled.
23:35 mircea_popescu spends all the time it should spend training them so they stop sucking training them to believe they are just fine and this is what one does and should do.
23:36 decimation yeah the problem is more the marginal boy that mircea points out
23:36 decimation at my university I found these types "lecturing" freshman psychology, hoping to "earn" a phd in social science
23:38 decimation I admire the german system for this reason; take a test around middle school to really determine if you are capable of the university path
23:38 decimation if not, learn a trade
23:39 decimation this functions as a natural safety value which relieves people from pretending they are something that they are not
23:39 asciilifeform decimation: except when it doesn't. consider japanese 'cram schools'
23:40 asciilifeform decimation: the marginal kids get herded by their family into a kind of boot camp where they get trained, like animals, to jump through the burning ring
23:40 decimation it's true that no filter is going to be perfect
23:41 decimation but it's better than shoving every kid into college
23:41 asciilifeform even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on the subject)
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23:45 decimation interesting, thanks for the tip
23:46 decimation here's a question: why will bitcoin succeed when gold was beaten so badly by fiat?
23:47 decimation one answer I came up with: banning bitcoin is banning information transfer, which seems to be beyond the power of the state
23:48 decimation whereas banning physical gold transaction is possible, at least within the "officially recognized" banking and exchange entities
23:49 mircea_popescu <decimation> here's a question: why will bitcoin succeed when gold was beaten so badly by fiat? << well, why has gold been "Beaten so badly by fiat" ?
23:57 mircea_popescu <decimation> this functions as a natural safety value which relieves people from pretending they are something that they are not << whole fucking contemporary us is built upon people pretending they are everyithing they're not.
23:57 mircea_popescu it starts with the us itself pretending to be part of the western world, while leading africa in rapes, teenage pregnancy, incarceration, functional illiteracy and the like
23:57 mircea_popescu religious obscurantism, you name it, they got it.
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