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00:01 * BingoBoingo today did pick up one pair of shoes without steel toes, so can board aircraft
00:03 lobbes what, tsa banning shoe classifications now?
00:04 BingoBoingo Of all the chances to not take with an indeterminate machine, that seems like an easy one to avoid
00:06 * BingoBoingo plans to pick up real shoes in Montevideo once real shoes are earned
00:06 mircea_popescu gotta earn teh realshoes.
00:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: could even pick up in buenos aires, at that place mircea_popescu mentioned in old thread
00:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta earn boat ride to Buenos Aires.
00:13 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:14 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7904.0, vol: 11573.74144165 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7925.0, vol: 59779.65877938 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7933.0, vol: 3832.45561154 | Volume-weighted last average: 7922.17514786
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00:44 ben_vulpes in other abusive workplaces: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html
00:48 mircea_popescu dude should be given a shotgun, free buckshot and free airplane fares.
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01:13 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740657 <<< hory shet
01:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 13:55 mircea_popescu: scroll down to where it says CTO : mike_c
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01:31 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/biodiversidad-y-technodiversidad-no-mom/ << Trilema - Biodiversidad y technodiversidad. No mom.
01:34 mod6 ya, dafaq
01:37 ben_vulpes why is this so surprising? he hasn't been involved in republican affairs since some time after wol wound down
01:38 ben_vulpes the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can
01:46 ben_vulpes also look at these fools smokin the cockchain: http://cloudmo.de/
01:55 * BingoBoingo now needs to earn a winch stair
02:06 ben_vulpes https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
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02:07 ben_vulpes these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
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02:08 ben_vulpes whole thing devolves into 'i r wrote software and then the bad thing happened because of bad people!'
02:10 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: look when there's actual even halfway sorta (((cryptocurrency))) involved, no responsible disclosure will ever happen
02:11 ben_vulpes hilarious indictment of value of us citizen "information", "servers"
02:12 ben_vulpes bullshit made up deliberately hamstrung cryptocurrencies it turns out are way better than anything dear usg has to offer
02:13 ben_vulpes this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
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02:20 BingoBoingo Still, if buying into the IRA/401k dream, gotta go to Roth
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02:42 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can << Hynenas of empires, slugs of ownbrain, particuly adorable yet hungry excretions from girl you've become fond of. Many hazards to republic
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03:48 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <-- danke! will try it out later today.
03:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
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07:00 mircea_popescu lol ben_vulpes . "the title of hyena of the empire and a cash prize of 500 botswanan pula is hereby bestowed upon joe schmoe."
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07:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n".
07:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741575 << https://archive.is/fhtuw teh cloudflare or teh bad gateway ?
07:47 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 07:06 ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
07:49 mircea_popescu "Tether issuances have not been affected by this attack, and all Tether tokens remain fully backed by assets in the Tether reserve." lmao what TEH FUCK is this supposed to mean! they just announced that a) tether issuances have been affected and b) tether tokens no longer backed.
07:50 mircea_popescu "oh you know what ? let's now STEAL THE HAVING STOLEN, too!!11". dorks.
07:51 mircea_popescu "will provide further updates AS THEY become available". disavowal overdrive, what the fuck, THE UPDATES are the agent here ? they make themselves avaoilable like elliott's girlfriends ?
07:51 mircea_popescu "rectify the situation in the best possible manner to everyone's benefit" in the sense of an everyone*, specially defined, niggers-fatties-and-jews=everyone* ?
07:52 mircea_popescu this is america. 100%, 2017.
07:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741581 << tis a point.
07:55 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 07:13 ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
07:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741576 << this being, of course, why the "no updates" thing is such a thorn in the side of the fiatist mind. if we DID updates, (NO MATTER WHICH!!!! even if we only did the reasonable ones!) then there'd be the sort of ~continuity~ that's the paramount ingredient in socialist reconstructions of the world, whereby "progress" and "i can't understand what those women of like... more than 20 yea
07:57 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 07:07 ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
07:57 mircea_popescu rs ago EVEN LIVED, what do you mean they had it way better than me."
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08:22 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <--> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mg2Q1/?raw=true same item applied upon w3m-0.5.3. warning: ./configure script is very-very hack-ish (read coad before trying out!). libjs comes from 'NJS interpreter', compiles and runs. unfortunately trilema fragments still don't get highlighted in my terminal (but if it does work for anyone else, do let me know).
08:22 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
08:24 spyked I'll get back to the "working cli/tui js browser" problem later, back to adalisp for now.
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08:50 mircea_popescu le suck.
08:51 shinohai Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident.
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08:52 mircea_popescu is this a bad thing ?
08:52 shinohai No, it's fucking hilarious.
08:53 shinohai But I'm not sure how BCH could be sent to addy on another network in the first place.
09:00 mircea_popescu if they use the same address format...
09:00 mircea_popescu correct statement is "dood sent bch to an address he didn't control that he came up with by copy/pasting something he didn't understant"
09:04 jurov shinohai: yes, the addresses are the same, For Improved Headache.
09:05 jurov also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
09:07 shinohai Top minds
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09:32 asciilifeform https://archive.is/N6Kgi << ahahahahahaha
09:32 asciilifeform 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
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09:33 asciilifeform 'we helped a user recover the coins by mining the tx without broadcasting it. can help others who need help'
09:33 asciilifeform i.e. a segshitness magicked away by chinese 'for greater good'
09:35 mircea_popescu aww
09:35 asciilifeform ( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741604 )
09:35 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 13:51 shinohai: Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident.
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09:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, just what we said was gonna happen ?
09:56 mircea_popescu basically, they had all the lohtron ready and oiled, sadly no sheep went that way, trying to get as much as possible out of its functionings anyway ?
09:56 mircea_popescu AWWW!
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10:11 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/why-would-any-girl-want-to-be-a-slave/ << Trilema - Why would any girl want to be a slave ?!
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10:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a bit of difficulty wrapping head around this scene -- picture the convo, 'hey y'know what they'll luvvv?' 'i know! for transactions to be REVERSIBLE!11 by some chinese d00d!'
10:34 mircea_popescu they're terrible at planning, if the constant strategic superiority saga wasn't suggesting it.
10:34 asciilifeform incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
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10:35 mircea_popescu unbeaten kids can't plan, is the truth of the matter. they get too wrapped up in their narcissistic desires and then before you know it newton sits down to discover the theory of how right they are.
10:35 asciilifeform ( last i saw, there was a hefty bit )
10:35 mircea_popescu a hefty bit of bytes , but dust
10:37 asciilifeform and gotta luvv folx who see 'hefty bit of bytes, but dust' and then ask for proofier proof when presented with 'miners are wreckers'
10:38 * mircea_popescu leaves http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712865 next to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741614 for... i'm not even sure, everyone capable of knowing knows and everyone who doesn't know is not gonna find out anymore than my stove is gonna learn a merry jig.
10:38 a111 Logged on 2017-09-12 21:08 rothbart: I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe?
10:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 14:32 asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
10:38 mircea_popescu remember back when "mp invented miner conspiracy" ?
10:38 mircea_popescu and can you believe the utter schmucktard still hasn't posted nude pics with appology scribbled in his own blood where his ballsac/eyes/etc used to be ?
10:39 asciilifeform schmucktard, last i heard, was resting on a sofa made of whores in thailand
10:39 asciilifeform and lacking for nothing
10:39 mircea_popescu if your stupid head causes you to stumble, CUT IT FUCKING OFF! http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/ style!
10:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have this very strange "man is entirely made of extrinsic motivation" outlook.
10:40 mircea_popescu what the fuck does the sofa enter into any discussion of morals ?
10:40 asciilifeform in application to d00d who never showed any symptoms of intrinsic (i.e. theorems) -- yes
10:41 asciilifeform afaik kako had nothing that could be confused for morals. took the thirty pieces of silver, and living it up.
10:41 asciilifeform immediately when it was offered -- took.
10:44 asciilifeform funnily and coincidentally, it was happening at exactly the same time as, far away, asciilifeform refused to take 'top seekrit' holy orders for usg 'contractor'
10:46 asciilifeform but no, sofa does not enter discussion of morals other than in re 'the thirty pieces of silver, were in fact troo silver', evidently some quislings are paid handsomely, rather than left to flap on the wind esr-style
10:49 mircea_popescu i've no way to evaluate all this.
10:49 asciilifeform some people are only distinguished from 'short' pig in that they stand on two legs. and these in fact are made ~entirely of extrinsic motivation.
10:49 asciilifeform morals are in fact what remains when there is nothing else with which to evaluate...
10:49 asciilifeform i evaluated, thusly , that the man is a swine.
10:50 mircea_popescu i'm not even sure which exact schmucktard we're talking of, there were a bunch.
10:50 asciilifeform i immediately pictured kakobrekla, if it wasn't obvious
10:50 mircea_popescu ah.
10:50 mircea_popescu original comment applies equally well to the whole agitcamp.
10:51 mircea_popescu public or private, what fucking difference does it make that you were wrong ~privately~ ? still wrong, still gotta fix etc.
10:52 asciilifeform the segshitter's 'wrong' is deliberately crafted disinfo, for the consumption of redditards. why would they recant.
10:52 asciilifeform they see it as 'noble lie' etc.
10:52 mircea_popescu because wrong.
10:52 asciilifeform 'even down's syndrome sufferers won't use a paypaltronic pseudobitcoin if offered naked, let's dress it up'
10:55 asciilifeform in-house they certainly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798878 . betcha the sum of ~block rewards~ going into segshitness addrs to date is 0.
10:55 a111 Logged on 2014-08-16 21:38 asciilifeform: it went entirely like the tale of gorbachev and andropov
10:56 asciilifeform ( is it even protocolically possible.. ? )
10:56 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 <<< http://segwit.5gbfree.com/countsegwit
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
10:56 asciilifeform shinohai: pretty useless, no COIN SUMS
11:03 shinohai hmmm
11:07 mircea_popescu no NET coins.
11:07 mircea_popescu nobody cares of sum as in a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a
11:07 asciilifeform in ~that~ sense most of the conventional coin 'movement' is spamola.
11:07 asciilifeform afaik to this day.
11:08 asciilifeform not even speaking of shitnesses.
11:08 asciilifeform virtually entire block mass for past... 3 ? yrs , is just about a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a.
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11:09 asciilifeform ever since the 'let's fill up the blox with liquishit and push 'scalingism'' agenda was cooked up.
11:17 mircea_popescu right.
11:17 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/i-fucking-love-science-or-why-global-warming-wouldnt-produce-superhurricanes/#comment-123582 << in other breakfasrt physics
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11:37 ben_vulpes !!up cruciform
11:37 deedbot cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
11:37 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ever see "daisies", 1966 ?
11:38 cruciform jurov: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171121/#124 - yes; sold mine recently @ HitBTC - very easy
11:38 scriba Logged on 2017-11-21: [14:05:15] <jurov> also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
11:40 mircea_popescu its on teh trilema.
11:40 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/
11:40 ben_vulpes dang
11:40 ben_vulpes thanks
11:47 mircea_popescu cruciform gotta expose bitcoin addresses neh
11:48 cruciform mircea_popescu: yea; the exchange doesn't ID you though
11:48 mircea_popescu right. when was the cutoff date for this one ?
11:48 cruciform 23rd Oct
11:48 mircea_popescu lol k.
11:49 pete_dushenski cruciform: which btg wallet did you use ?
11:49 cruciform their fork of the Core node from https://bitcoingold.org/downloads/
11:50 pete_dushenski aha
11:50 cruciform pete_dushenski: thanks for your BCH article, btw - got me off the couch
11:50 pete_dushenski happy to help motivate
11:52 pete_dushenski "Bitcoin Gold Core is a full Bitcoin Gold client and builds the backbone of the network. It offers high levels of security, privacy, and stability. However, it has fewer features and it takes a lot of space and memory.
11:52 pete_dushenski "
11:52 pete_dushenski however!!1
11:53 cruciform there's already been a hack via the online sweeper they posted on their site
11:53 cruciform people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
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11:53 pete_dushenski lol ya that's what i heard too
11:55 cruciform at the least the scams are rapidly diminishing in SFYL damage to noobs: BCH > BTG > http://supersmartbitcoin.com/
11:56 cruciform "Lightening Network
11:56 cruciform "Lightening Network" (TM)
11:59 mircea_popescu enlightening network.
12:07 mircea_popescu !!key cruciform
12:07 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/4E18288CAA6A98F4C51066053B6F4A8387D54AC6.asc
12:08 mircea_popescu !!rated cruciform
12:08 deedbot mircea_popescu has not rated cruciform.
12:08 mircea_popescu !!rate cruciform 1 Noob.
12:08 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQhr6/?raw=true
12:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741698 <<< ahahahahaha this is a new level of dumb or wat
12:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 16:53 cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
12:09 asciilifeform 'ismyprivkeyhacked.com'
12:10 cruciform mircea_popescu: nothing prepared me for the brainrot of BTCtalk BTG official thread
12:10 mircea_popescu lol
12:17 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". << Quiero sus escalara de winch, no. Quiero mis escalera de winch, si.
12:17 mircea_popescu lol
12:20 BingoBoingo This happens. I see idea executed dangerously and poorly. Then "What if maintained and done better?" Often for many idiot things right means unreasonable, and then there is la escalara de winch.
12:21 mircea_popescu winchalera
12:25 BingoBoingo Ah, Como se dice esto!
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12:52 ben_vulpes semi-relatedly, i went to build an extension cord for my dryer, ~all the old women at the hardwarestoremegachain insisted that i simply could not do what i was going to do
12:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 30amp 220v cord dun come in 'extension' in usa, for the obvious reason that the cable dun come in real-copper and the socket dun come in non-chinese, ergo automatic fire hazard.
12:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
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12:54 asciilifeform forget 'extension'.
12:56 asciilifeform this is sorta the pasteurized milk thread again, in different light. 'can't have unmolested milk, because ~must~ have caged cows, and ergo unmolested milk will killya' etc
12:57 ben_vulpes lol, precisely what i did
12:58 ben_vulpes leprosy cheese on the shit sandwich of american products is that the dryer power cable was not trivially replaceable, had to be extended.
12:58 asciilifeform why not replaceable ?
12:58 asciilifeform typically it's attached to lug bolts under the cover
12:59 ben_vulpes 'trivially', did not want to start gentooing dryers as well
12:59 ben_vulpes when heater element goes, then, fine.
12:59 asciilifeform 'trivially' in the sense where you dun need any higher tech than screwdriver
12:59 ben_vulpes oh also receptacle is very high on the wall, extending made it a guaranteed fit, replacing woulda been tight borderline not-workable.
13:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and move dryer, and and and all sorts of unknowns, vs just buy receptacle while also buying pigtail.
13:01 asciilifeform ah then you've made the chinese cord for yerself, lol
13:07 ben_vulpes well it's a rated pigtail, copper through and through
13:08 asciilifeform socket more often the problem.
13:13 BingoBoingo Socket or cable you spliced extension to.
13:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741722 << this is the only correct approach.
13:21 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
13:21 mircea_popescu even "high quality" commercial couplings will heat up.
13:36 asciilifeform in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
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13:37 asciilifeform gnarly but within the bounds of the readable
13:37 asciilifeform ( with inlinings, ~150 )
13:37 mod6 inline triples it 'eh
13:37 asciilifeform somewhat unsurprisingly
13:38 asciilifeform ( for max speed you want ~0 function calls at all, if possible, for so long as the thing still fits in cache )
13:39 asciilifeform i will add that the bounds checking code , which we have because idjit pc arch , dwarfs the actual algos
13:46 mod6 you were saying as much yesterday iirc
13:46 asciilifeform mod6: 'validity' check is a separate item
13:46 asciilifeform and safe to switch off if (and only if) you can prove that there are at no point uninitialized variables read
13:47 asciilifeform theoretically the same applies to other bounds checks, but the proof is a much trickier matter
13:52 asciilifeform ( granted, it is not an ~impossible~ matter, as it would be if the proggy had been written in pointerlang. but merely ~difficult~. )
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14:34 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741053 << i'm not part of the amphetamine culture. i like to sleep
14:34 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:40 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?
14:35 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 << i don't need to consider that, i grok metacircularity, i.e. there's no such thing as builtin symbols. bytecode or not is lateral to that point.
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14:35 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
14:35 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741280 << it doesn't, logotron necessarily has to interpret the nature of bytes (because the display layer is explicitly encoded). so the log collection and storage is 8 bit clean, but display makes assumpetions for rendering purpose. specifically i assume that log is utf8, but if utf8 decoder fails on line, i fall back to latin-1 (this is a traditional irc mechanism, details of which have been discussed)
14:35 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:57 asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
14:38 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq.
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14:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:21 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
14:39 phf strings as lists of character is a schemist wankery anyway along the "our cpu uses church numerals!1"
14:54 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740959 << i think i said that in logs before, but sexp is a poor data exchange format. read operation relies on current state of *readtable* and traditionally readtable is customized to specific operator needs. there's a default *readtable*, but it's too unconstrained to be used for deserialization of untrusted data, since it, for example, supports arbitrary code execution, circular structures, etc.
14:54 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 01:15 mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething.
14:56 phf we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
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14:57 asciilifeform phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
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14:58 asciilifeform and wtf 'arbitrary code execution', you read it in a null environment
14:58 asciilifeform whole thing quoted.
14:58 phf asciilifeform: wut.
14:59 phf (read-from-string "#.(format t \"hello, world~%\")")
14:59 phf there's no such thing as a standard sexps. sure (foo "bar" 1.2) but #\abc or #x123 exist in the same realm as #.(...)
15:01 trinque *read-eval* nil << not enough?
15:01 asciilifeform i see 0 reason to have #. be bound when reading untrusted sexprs.
15:03 phf trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable*
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15:07 asciilifeform and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy
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15:08 asciilifeform i dun see what part of that is nonobvious
15:08 phf as they say in russia, флаг в руки
15:09 asciilifeform большому кораблю и карты в руки.
15:09 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741765 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741774
15:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 19:57 asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
15:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 20:07 asciilifeform: and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy
15:11 asciilifeform could even formulate the very definition of a forum, as a set of folx who agree on a minimal readtable.
15:11 asciilifeform ( which will not include #. because then all bets off. )
15:12 phf also probably want to not have #s because that requires a state of the environment
15:12 phf you also want to have a custom symbol reader, because reading cl::foo is going to explode with a "locked package" error
15:14 asciilifeform wat's wrong with scheme-style simple state machine that knows when to cons a new cell , where symbol names begin/end, and which becomes the car/cdr .
15:16 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741764
15:16 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 19:56 phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
15:16 asciilifeform this is more or less a given. what was the last heathen artifact that we found usable exactly as found? i can't recall even one
15:17 phf tits
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15:17 asciilifeform i bet mircea_popescu patches those!111
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16:20 whaack !!v BD54238F24F1EEA35BBB222E00527E4B8D5141BD47ABF118BC5C2023D0EE2DD5
16:20 deedbot whaack rated ben_vulpes 2 << friendly and helpful republican with knowledge of the sewers of the web
16:22 whaack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 << From my cursory understanding of the segwit system there's no way to know if coins are in a segwit address until it is spent. It is effectively of the nature where you must know x in h(x) for the coins to be spent, so a miner cannot snag the coins until the segwitter tries to spend.
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16:22 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
16:25 asciilifeform whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer
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17:19 ben_vulpes > two attackers accessed a private GitHub coding site used by Uber software engineers and then used login credentials they obtained there to access data stored on an Amazon Web Services account that handled computing tasks for the company...Later, they emailed Uber asking for money.
17:19 ben_vulpes there's yr rape, asciilifeform
17:19 ben_vulpes https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/uber-concealed-cyberattack-that-exposed-57-million-people-s-data
17:25 shinohai bwahahahaha
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17:50 asciilifeform pretty great.
17:50 ben_vulpes > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years
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17:51 ben_vulpes fucking 'founders series' vehicle by a company trading on the public markets, give me a breka
17:51 ben_vulpes break*
18:05 * BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th.
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18:05 asciilifeform notbad.
18:06 BingoBoingo Office comes with 24/7 access, lockable storage, and fiscal address acceptable for corporationing. All locations within 10 minute walk of building with rack.
18:14 ben_vulpes very cool BingoBoingo
18:15 ben_vulpes in other uproariously hilarious things: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-advertising-discrimination-housing-race-sex-national-origin
18:15 ben_vulpes facebook builds ad platforms that lets you target people based on skin color and income among a zillion other things, this is all great until people start advertising housing to whites
18:15 ben_vulpes fuckin dying over here
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18:38 BingoBoingo lol
18:44 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1031629
18:44 a111 Logged on 2015-02-24 03:47 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
18:46 asciilifeform ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668189 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668203 , possibly elsewhere. )
18:46 a111 Logged on 2014-05-09 19:48 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
18:46 a111 Logged on 2014-05-09 19:51 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
18:47 asciilifeform nobody would even contemplate paying the ludicrous 500k-1mil usd for a motherfucking cardboard box, other than at gunpoint.
18:48 asciilifeform the gunpoint conveniently provided by usg's unofficial footsoldiers.
18:51 asciilifeform 'Under its own policies, Facebook should have flagged these ads, and prevented the posting of some of them. Its failure to do so revives questions about whether the company is in compliance with federal fair housing rules, as well as about its ability and commitment to police discriminatory advertising on the world’s largest social network.' << ohnoez, plebes illicitly trying to practice freedom of association
18:51 mircea_popescu heh
18:51 asciilifeform i.e. the ultimate crime under the inca.
18:52 mircea_popescu recall when they started bussing kids to school lest you know, family ties survive or some such
18:52 asciilifeform aaha.
18:52 asciilifeform and how the brahmins transfered their spawn to private schools the day prior.
18:52 mircea_popescu i like how indignant screen gets. this IS window 6!!!
18:55 asciilifeform lol
19:08 trinque heh, I was sent to a black elementary school under some kind of diversity program.
19:09 trinque and look, I turned out fine
19:09 asciilifeform and asciilifeform grew up in orcistan with tetraethyl-pb petrol, also 'turned out fine', lol
19:10 asciilifeform dun make te-pb a great thing.
19:10 * trinque recalibrates his sarcasm emitter
19:10 shinohai "This is what *not* to do!"
19:11 ben_vulpes leaded gas is AWESOME.
19:11 ben_vulpes unbelieeeevable specific heat
19:11 trinque I mean, they wanted me to have a cultural experience outside my own, and... did.
19:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ~0 effect on specific heat
19:11 asciilifeform trinque: ahahahaha in that sense it's great. i'm pretty happy i went to one in usa
19:12 asciilifeform lifetime vaccine against equalism.
19:12 trinque aha
19:12 ben_vulpes aaaaah right
19:12 trinque I even got almost expelled for racis
19:12 trinque beat the fuck out of some kid that stole my recess hat, threw to friend
19:12 trinque I guess in the movie, kid goes and runs to friend to get the hat
19:12 trinque I just beat his face in
19:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> lifetime vaccine against equalism. << AHA, I ad to get vaccinated later at college for that
19:22 mircea_popescu trinque the theory isn't that it actually does anything ; the idea is that the ~reason~ they thought they're doing it was pretty dumb.
19:24 mircea_popescu the most amusing example being that in 1817, back when "miscegenation" was a serious offence, and in 2017, when "bbc" is kinda fashionable, the prevalence of black-white mixed kids born was ~same. cuz exogamy is a behaviour and society is a blather, guess which comes later.
19:25 asciilifeform the actual reason is the one described in 'death of the american city' -- j00z & puritans allied to nuke the irish and polish catholics in usa
19:25 mircea_popescu sure. and ended up with vietnamese nationalism.
19:25 asciilifeform set up the necessary blathers, 'movements', etc.
19:25 mircea_popescu or w/e, serbs.
19:26 mircea_popescu trinque> I just beat his face in << better strategy. "bitch, by the time i'm done with you, your mom's gonna be begging to bring me my hat in her snatch every weekend after nine."
19:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741741 << this is pretty good tbh.
19:31 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 18:36 asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
19:32 asciilifeform relatedly, asciilifeform sawed ffa into independent subunits ( e.g. mults, bitops, divides, etc. ) for smooth compilation, reading, and blogomatics.
19:32 mod6 cool
19:32 asciilifeform will become a series of essays-cum-coad
19:32 asciilifeform also moved from make to gprbuild
19:33 asciilifeform ( ditches the gnumake dependency, and much shorter and more makessensical process )
19:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741759 << this is actually a good point.
19:33 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq.
19:33 mircea_popescu string is not a primitive!
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19:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741773 << i thought this was the idea.
19:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 20:03 phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable*
19:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741789 << my bills for plastic surgery exceed my bills for vehicle mainenance.
19:41 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 20:17 phf: tits
19:42 mircea_popescu fuck, literally next line
19:43 BingoBoingo 4srs!
19:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741801 << this inept socialist empire's vehicular nonsense is starting to sound a lot like the fabled stories of teh romanian socialist republic.
19:43 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 22:50 ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years
19:44 mircea_popescu i tell the girls stories, you know, "to get a car in the 80s you had to deposit 80k lei in this so and so account, and then 8 to 18 months later they'd call you TO THE PLANT and you'd get, mostly, a car. of whatever color they had available and maybe with all the parts. there were no fucking showrooms or anything, people drove the car home 500 kms.
19:45 mircea_popescu and you showed up like for the draft, paper in hand and specified comcast-style times. "between 8 and 17". people fucking camped at the plant.
19:46 asciilifeform holyfuq that's fast
19:46 asciilifeform in su some folx waited decade+
19:46 mircea_popescu ro had large factory at pitesti
19:46 mircea_popescu proportionally 10x than the ru things, because smaller pop.
19:47 asciilifeform i suspected.
19:47 mircea_popescu made to the tune of 1,5k a day or such, respectable altogether.
19:48 mircea_popescu (mostly 70s tech, no robotics, no etc.)
19:48 asciilifeform and while i'd hesitate to time travel to 'golden age' su, i'd almost happily move to shoemaker-era ro
19:48 asciilifeform quite civilized compared to current-day monkeylandia
19:48 mircea_popescu depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition.
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19:50 mircea_popescu but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
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19:50 asciilifeform nifty.
19:50 mircea_popescu people did that sort of thing, back then. and all the fuckbook tards who paint the dude (rightfully or not, i don't give a shit) as the summum malum never as much as put together a fucking lego box.
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19:51 asciilifeform which one is this, ro's eltsin ?
19:51 mircea_popescu so i do feel an inclination to just drive them over.
19:51 mircea_popescu nah
19:51 mircea_popescu lemme dig him up
19:52 mircea_popescu !~google liviu dragnea
19:52 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Liviu Dragnea - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Dragnea>; Liviu Dragnea - POLITICO: <https://www.politico.eu/person/liviu-dragnea/>; Liviu Dragnea - Home | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/liviudragnea.ro/>
19:52 asciilifeform how come hated ?
19:53 mircea_popescu !~google aro ims
19:53 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: ARO M461 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_M461>; ARO IMS - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_IMS>; ARO - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO>
19:53 mircea_popescu ^ there, suv.
19:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cuz head of the reds, ie, vaguely left-centrists. but rather, because somewhat opposite to usg party.
19:53 asciilifeform aaa
19:53 asciilifeform so Officially Bad
19:54 mircea_popescu well, facebook bad.
19:54 mircea_popescu they keep gaining majorities at the ballots.
19:54 asciilifeform and that thing looks quite drivable. something like a willis.
19:54 mircea_popescu it started as a straight gaz clone
19:55 mircea_popescu then the romanians added 10% hp / 10% speed etc five years later. then added 15% more five years later. and so on
19:55 mircea_popescu eventually late 70s incarnations looked exactly like the early nissan suvs. of the 90s.
19:56 mircea_popescu !~google aro 24 series
19:56 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: ARO 24 Series - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_24_Series>; ARO 24 Series models - autoevolution: <https://www.autoevolution.com/aro/24-series/>; ARO 24 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlbswJ3_irRY>
19:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741804 << what's that, like 400 a month to lay down your head ?
19:59 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 23:05 BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th.
19:59 BingoBoingo Just about, in a hostel, during high tourist season.
20:00 BingoBoingo Sometime late february to March price goes down substantially
20:01 mircea_popescu not bad start. find a shared apt deal among the students after, will be cheaper in the sense of paying for itself via roommates.
20:01 mircea_popescu "rent is 100 but i don't have to spend 150 to get language lessons, o noes, im 50 in the green here"
20:01 BingoBoingo Right. This arrangement comes with roommates through accident of having booked bed at same place. Also comes with breakfast.
20:02 mircea_popescu sounds pretty good.
20:02 mircea_popescu ah if only i were young again!
20:02 mircea_popescu and all the world were new!
20:02 mircea_popescu an' hoot for boot an' horse, son, and...
20:02 mircea_popescu i forget the rest.
20:02 BingoBoingo Next nearest place with similar setup is on other side of Pocitos neightborhood, while this one is across street and around block from World Trade Center
20:03 BingoBoingo The co working space is a block still further. The mall is a block to the north. The Pocitos and Buceo playas are equidistant.
20:04 mircea_popescu so i go into shop that has you know, coffee toaster and a buncha nuts etc, and go "camarron ?" and the woman looks at me befuddled, so i'm like "semillas de camarron!" and she's eyeing me like wtf then realises. "maranon ?"
20:04 mircea_popescu "oh. yyyeeeah..."
20:05 mircea_popescu cafe trebol sa. would shrimp there again!
20:08 BingoBoingo Anyways, explaining to normal ordinary people in meatspace who Mircea Popescu is, is surprisingly simple.
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20:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform meanwhile original author found item for me : http://www.jeg.ro/titlul-mortii
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20:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o ya ?
20:08 mircea_popescu oh, in other lulz : costa rica failed to send anyone to miss universe competition (some indian midget won in china). on the basis of observed data... this is correct.
20:08 BingoBoingo "He's a Romanian living in Costa Rica" "Why? Because he can. You would if you could too."
20:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo *you would if you could import the fresh tuna.
20:09 BingoBoingo Falls under could
20:10 BingoBoingo "How did he make his money?" "Communism fell, there was money running porn studios in the 1990's, and now he alternately builds and unbuilds empires"
20:10 mod6 spare time deal
20:11 asciilifeform meeeaanwhile in failed experiments, asciilifeform tried to take an xray of the bolix-ivory die, so as to get moar realistic microscopy quote at some point. method : ra-226 capsule (commercial geiger test src), b&w 'polaroid' film. weakness turns out to be the latter : when developed using rolling pin, fixer pouch bursts, and result is liquishit
20:11 mircea_popescu bs polaroid.
20:11 mircea_popescu get proper bw film.
20:12 mircea_popescu and a bath, you won't die out of bw bathing ffs.
20:14 asciilifeform next will suggest , betcha, an actual xray machine
20:14 asciilifeform and dark room, lol.
20:14 mircea_popescu bathroom in most us places works as dark room, screw in red light plug the window if it exists.
20:14 mircea_popescu but, yes.
20:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform used to be reactives were expensive. no more. proper bath, listen to me.
20:15 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sad_polaroid.jpg
20:16 mircea_popescu hela.
20:16 asciilifeform lol
20:16 asciilifeform btw this is approx same as what they look like if burst unexposed.
20:16 asciilifeform so can't even say anything re exposure.
20:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what reasoning would impel a sane fellow to use fucking polaroids auto-paper, when a bit of film would have about 9k x resolution ?
20:17 mircea_popescu if you're gonna do it like this, why not use a fridge.
20:17 mircea_popescu or a potato.
20:17 mircea_popescu roll some rexona on the chip and throw it against the wall.
20:18 asciilifeform polaroid actually is known to make ~decent adhoc ~beta~ ( the relevant particle, gamma goes ~right through without any useful effect ) film
20:18 mircea_popescu that's not a film, that's a print.
20:18 mircea_popescu film, you can project.
20:18 asciilifeform standard iso photofilm -- does not
20:18 asciilifeform print yes
20:19 mircea_popescu just get some fujiflm.
20:19 asciilifeform i'ma try it with b&w iso film next, because with what else.
20:20 mircea_popescu mind how you calc the distance.
20:20 mircea_popescu dja know how to calc teh distance ?
20:20 asciilifeform it's a contact print in either case
20:21 asciilifeform ( even in ideal case, will be a somewhat smudged contact print, because chip die is buried under a lid )
20:21 mircea_popescu ah
20:21 mircea_popescu i thought you had it exposed.
20:21 asciilifeform nope, saving it for all-in-one microscopy go.
20:21 mircea_popescu yeah makes sense
20:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741925 << ooh neato ty
20:23 a111 Logged on 2017-11-22 01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile original author found item for me : http://www.jeg.ro/titlul-mortii
20:23 asciilifeform îţâşă!!
20:23 mircea_popescu (all the proposed definitions are at least somewhat reasonable)
20:24 * asciilifeform picks 'Se referă la o femeie enervantă care pune prea multe întrebări, deşi nu va înţelege niciodată vreun răspuns.'
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20:24 mircea_popescu lol. nb.
20:24 mircea_popescu (to keep form it has to be always feminine anyway, so this works surprisingly well)
20:25 asciilifeform lol! loox like i picked the winning horse...
20:25 mircea_popescu nah, strimb won.
20:25 asciilifeform ah hm yea
20:28 * BingoBoingo to sober time, will likely blog update progress upon return
20:28 asciilifeform btw asciilifeform discovered that his bathroom makes an almost worthless dark room -- has window. and after eyes dilate can see that somewhere far away, faint headlights etc
20:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cut up cardboard, coupla inches larger than window, duct-tape on.
20:28 asciilifeform other find : 'scotch' tape is not usable in darkroom experiment : it triboluminesces
20:29 asciilifeform yea stuck doing sumthing with the window.
20:29 mircea_popescu duct tape.
20:29 asciilifeform all stickytape actually.
20:29 mircea_popescu also, shaving foam on the inside of doorway.
20:29 mircea_popescu holy shit turns out i know a lot about field developing.
20:30 asciilifeform doorway was ok, simply cut the lights in the rest of the house.
20:30 mircea_popescu oh cuz you have roof.
20:30 asciilifeform electrical tape for the idjit green led in the mains socket...
20:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lolwat do you mean 'have roof' ? indeed whole thing would be quite impossible outdoors
20:32 asciilifeform unless using one of those field darkroom sacks
20:33 asciilifeform ( prolly was the right item actually. that sack, with the arm sleeves )
20:33 mircea_popescu just being silly.
20:33 asciilifeform hm, interestingly, the crapola inside polaroid is quite nasty, picture alkaline battery that's been rotting for 20 yrs
20:34 mircea_popescu ~only utility for those is "baby's first naked pic" back when they didn't shave, didn't suck cock and didn't habitually strip naked in company.
20:34 asciilifeform can't comment, i never in entire life owned the actual camera for them
20:35 asciilifeform always seemed like ripoff, 10-20x the cost of normal film
20:38 mircea_popescu for that exact reason.
20:42 mircea_popescu thinking abouthttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741970, "пизда îţâşă" would make a pretty decent sluttattoo.
20:42 a111 Logged on 2017-11-22 01:24 asciilifeform picks 'Se referă la o femeie enervantă care pune prea multe întrebări, deşi nu va înţelege niciodată vreun răspuns.'
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22:41 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:42 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8149.51, vol: 11587.60792112 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8168.4, vol: 61474.95293876 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8171.3, vol: 4269.44988224 | Volume-weighted last average: 8165.72958568
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22:57 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
22:57 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 495532 | Current Difficulty: 1.364422081125E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 495935 | Next Difficulty In: 403 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:57 BingoBoingo OMG Crashing, this is bullish for SegCrash
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