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00:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00087671 = 4.1644 BTC [+]
00:09	artifexd	mircea_popescu or kakobrekla Can you straighten me out on some terminology?
00:10	kakobrekla	in regards to what
00:10	artifexd	Bitbet
00:10	kakobrekla	well i can give it a shot
00:10	artifexd	A proposition is an unapproved bet, right?
00:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12974 @ 0.00088054 = 11.4241 BTC [+] {2}
00:10	kakobrekla	yea
00:11	artifexd	What is it called after it is approved?
00:11	artifexd	A bet?
00:11	kakobrekla	yea
00:11	artifexd	What do people place on that bet?
00:11	kakobrekla	bets :)
00:11	artifexd	There's my confusion. Bet refers to the thing being placed and the thing upon which it is placed.
00:12	kakobrekla	correct
00:12	artifexd	Well... fuck
00:12	kakobrekla	its lispy!
00:13	artifexd	Do you have different names for them in your database?
00:13	kakobrekla	different from what
00:14	artifexd	I imagine that there is a database with a table of bets and a table of, uh, bets. Both tables can't be called bets.
00:14	TheNewDeal	bets and betbets
00:14	artifexd	lol
00:15	artifexd	It would fit with the twitter names: BitBets and BitBetsBets
00:15	kakobrekla	hehe did you take that from twitter TheNewDeal ?
00:15	kakobrekla	hehe
00:16	TheNewDeal	getting all the lelz tonight
00:16	artifexd	I guess I'll just go with "New bet created" vs "New bet placed"
00:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088119 = 16.3461 BTC [+]
00:31	TheNewDeal	tim-tams
00:31	tim-tams	thenewdeal hey
00:31	TheNewDeal	you came here searching for knowledge?
00:31	tim-tams	looking for a sponsor actually haha
00:32	TheNewDeal	what exactly is this?
00:32	tim-tams	"this" as in the sponsorship?
00:32	TheNewDeal	yeahs
00:32	tim-tams	I run YouMeAndBTC.com and host the weekly podcast there
00:32	TheNewDeal	what would that be
00:32	tim-tams	we're headed to a Bitcoin conference and are gonna interview some people
00:33	tim-tams	looking for a sponsor who would be mentioned every time we talk about the conference in our show
00:33	tim-tams	some banner space included too
00:33	TheNewDeal	for how much
00:34	tim-tams	our budget for the whole trip is $1400 and I got one sponsor for half that. So $700 more for an equal spot
00:34	tim-tams	I can provide a more detailed budget if you so desire
00:34	TheNewDeal	not too concerned
00:34	TheNewDeal	wheres the conference?
00:35	tim-tams	Washington DC
00:35	tim-tams	Bitcoin in the Beltway
00:36	tim-tams	is that something you'd be interested in? you have a product/service?
00:36	TheNewDeal	can I pay like 5$ for you to include a small middle finger dedicated to the Chief of Operations of Butterfly Labs?
00:37	tim-tams	haha maybe ;)
00:39	mircea_popescu	tim-tams sup ?
00:39	mircea_popescu	<artifexd> Well... fuck << talk to english ;/
00:40	artifexd	Yeah...
00:40	TheNewDeal	charlie shrem is going to be there!
00:41	TheNewDeal	fack I'm gonna buy a ticket and go smoke some dope with him
00:42	tim-tams	mircea_popescu hey there, would you be interested in a deal like the one described above?
00:43	tim-tams	joecool said to contact you
00:43	mircea_popescu	i don't know you, why would i give you bitcoin ?
00:43	TheNewDeal	i massage very gentle, you give bitcoin
00:45	tim-tams	mircea_popescu haha to get your name out there, advertising and such
00:46	tim-tams	we're hoping to interview some people, and we'll definitely talk about the presentations a ton on the show
00:46	tim-tams	you'll be mentioned every time
00:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087877 = 28.4721 BTC [-]
00:47	mircea_popescu	;;ident tim-tams
00:47	gribble	Nick 'tim-tams', with hostmask 'tim-tams!~pi@pool-108-17-65-93.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'tim-tams', with GPG key id 3C45E4F1E6017AD9, key fingerprint 0EB2043388023608246A68E83C45E4F1E6017AD9, and bitcoin address 188tePebVzHGniSWuh2azFpmQkrSVrn39H
00:48	mircea_popescu	to... get my name out there ?
00:49	mircea_popescu	what show.
00:49	tim-tams	YouMeAndBTC.com
00:49	tim-tams	we have a weekly podcast
00:50	tim-tams	I was expecting the sponsorship to be a form of advertising but if you'd rather just sponsor us because you think it's a good use of your money (which it would be ;) ) then we're ok with that haha
00:50	mircea_popescu	your blog got 0 comments the past month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw7dwBSnG0 < you get like... 72 views ?
00:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << look here.
00:51	ozbot	Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:52	mircea_popescu	in order for you to advertise me you have to have more media exposure than me, not vice-versa.
00:52	tim-tams	yeah that makes sense, understandable, you're right, we're not very big, somewhat new
00:53	mircea_popescu	enthusiasm is good, don't get me wrong, but you're not there yet.
00:54	tim-tams	yeah no problem, you're right, we definitely need to grow
01:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087877 = 10.8967 BTC [-]
01:14	benkay	so this is prrrrrrrty funny: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014&bots=true#666666
01:15	benkay	oh it's assbot and i'm late to the party again
01:18	benkay	<kakobrekla> its lispy! // gtfo
01:24	kakobrekla	:)
01:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
01:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34988 @ 0.00087934 = 30.7663 BTC [+] {3}
01:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27345 @ 0.00088189 = 24.1153 BTC [+] {2}
01:54	BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Do you have any experience with Charity fundraising?
01:58	BingoBoingo	tim-tams: If you do manage to get the funds for this thing I'll sponsor some efforts of yours to raise awareness for a very important charity
01:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087753 = 11.1885 BTC [-] {2}
01:59	tim-tams	BingoBoingo no experience but yes, we'd love to do some charity work
02:00	tim-tams	what did you have in mind?
02:01	BingoBoingo	tim-tams: The Charity is my left nut. It learned to kick itself. I want other people to know the fear I have. That their testicals too can learn to kick themselves.
02:01	tim-tams	sounds awesome haha
02:02	tim-tams	we've been supporting that cause for years
02:03	BingoBoingo	I wish I had a third nut, so I could just tell this left one to STFU.
02:06	Naphex	morning
02:06	BingoBoingo	Morning Naphex
02:07	Naphex	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D
02:07	ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets
02:08	BingoBoingo	Nice
02:08	Naphex	aye
02:23	fluffypony	Naphex: and you didn't have any 300 000 EUR transactions in your order book!
02:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087668 = 9.3805 BTC [-] {2}
02:25	Naphex	hehe, yes, saw the price on bitcoinaverage yesterday :)0
02:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0789999 = 1.58 BTC [-]
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.041 = 1.968 BTC [-]
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
02:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.079 = 1.264 BTC [+] {2}
02:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.079 = 0.158 BTC [+]
02:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00087632 = 19.3772 BTC [-] {2}
02:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
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03:11	BingoBoingo	http://hashfast.com/on-why-were-not-scammers/
03:20	Naphex	people should just buying pre-orders
03:20	Naphex	its dum
03:29	BingoBoingo	Well, how long did people play Gox?
03:32	pankkake	BingoBoingo: the URL is funny enough
03:33	pankkake	mtgox.com/why-we-are-solvent
03:35	pankkake	artifexd: maybe use bet and wager
03:37	fluffypony	lol
03:49	BingoBoingo	!up paxtoncamaro91
03:49	assbot	Voicing paxtoncamaro91 for 30 minutes.
04:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789999 = 0.79 BTC [-]
04:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1817 @ 0.00012755 = 0.2318 BTC [-] {3}
04:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3531 @ 0.00012738 = 0.4498 BTC [-] {4}
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2273 @ 0.00012644 = 0.2874 BTC [-] {3}
04:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07899999 = 1.027 BTC [+] {2}
04:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
		~ 25 minutes ~
04:35	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/Lf20fUa.jpg
04:36	Naphex	lol
04:39	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/25398n/samuel_l_jackson_crusades_to_kick_cancer_in_the/
04:39	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: you and Samuel L Jackson have similar goals
04:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10505 @ 0.00088111 = 9.2561 BTC [+]
04:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0310001 = 0.465 BTC [-]
04:46	Naphex	!up twizt
04:46	assbot	Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.
04:46	Naphex	pff
04:46	Naphex	;ident
04:48	Naphex	!up twizt
04:48	assbot	Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.
04:48	Naphex	!up
04:48	assbot	Need a nickname, Naphex.
04:49	pankkake	eh, you have the same success rate as me yesterday
04:50	fluffypony	!up twizt
04:50	assbot	Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.
04:50	twizt	ty so much trouble
04:50	twizt	lol
04:53	pankkake	;;gpg info twizt
04:53	gribble	User 'twizt', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AimBm6kNoYu1jTrqFWPBewhw9phMA8Prp, registered on Fri Jan 31 11:04:43 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 29 02:06:58 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=twizt . Currently not authenticated.
04:54	twizt	y u checking me out bro
04:55	twizt	lol
04:56	fluffypony	twizt: pankkake is the #bitcoin-assets police detective
04:56	fluffypony	he'll hunt you down, yo
04:56	pankkake	lol
04:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00088149 = 4.2312 BTC [+] {2}
04:57	pankkake	!t m mpif
04:57	assbot	You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
04:57	pankkake	!t m s.mpif
04:57	assbot	How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
04:58	pankkake	!t m f.mpif
04:58	assbot	[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021725 (37494 shares, 8.14 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021509 / 0.00021725 (1053350 shares, 226.57 BTC)
04:58	pankkake	!jd mpif
04:58	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.00874758 BTC; +0.01871222 BTC (+0.0114%) since last check 6h 40m 18s ago.
		~ 15 minutes ~
05:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0425 = 1.5725 BTC [+]
05:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031635 = 0.2214 BTC [+]
05:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19799 @ 0.00088208 = 17.4643 BTC [+]
		~ 16 minutes ~
05:37	jurov	;;later tell mircea_popescu dividends?
05:37	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:37	jurov	later all
05:38	Naphex	later jurov
05:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00088208 = 5.8217 BTC [+]
05:52	Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KkCnxooho
05:52	ozbot	BitCologne Introduction - YouTube
05:52	Naphex	lol
05:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
05:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00088241 = 17.207 BTC [+] {2}
06:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 437 @ 0.00089017 = 0.389 BTC [-] {2}
06:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14251 @ 0.00088255 = 12.5772 BTC [+]
06:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00088378 = 3.5784 BTC [+]
06:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22471 @ 0.00088381 = 19.8601 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 22 minutes ~
06:40	mircea_popescu	jurov yes, today.
06:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
06:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 693 @ 0.00022828 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {4}
06:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310001 = 0.155 BTC [+]
06:49	fluffypony	Naphex: I couldn't make it through that video
06:50	fluffypony	Naphex: they lost me at "made for peer to peer interaction"
06:52	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
06:52	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.8, Best ask: 446.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 444.8, 24 hour volume: 6086.20975405, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 449.96, 24 hour vwap: 443.295460436
06:55	mircea_popescu	"One-third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never Ever Been Read Online, By Anyone"
06:56	mircea_popescu	time to start seriously discussing the irrelevance of the world bank. perhaps it's time it just goes away, as it has little chance of being folded into mpex.
06:56	fluffypony	hah hah
06:56	fluffypony	data relevancy
06:56	fluffypony	*dat
06:57	mircea_popescu	"All females regardless of race are to be inspected by a UK Border Force doctor for FGM. Passports will be stamped to mark childs FGM status."
06:57	mircea_popescu	lmao perhaps it could just move to the uk and stay there.
06:58	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFogbgCUAAmfIP.jpg >> particularly productive twitter today
07:06	mircea_popescu	http://www.stripes.com/news/blue-ridge-encounters-chinese-ships-near-disputed-isle-1.282222
07:06	ozbot	Blue Ridge encounters Chinese ships near disputed isle - News - Stripes
07:07	mircea_popescu	some online news outlets to label the encounter a confrontation, which 7th Fleet officials disputed Friday.
07:07	mircea_popescu	USS Blue Ridge, the Japan-based 7th Fleet’s flagship, transited without incident near the two ships, Navy officials said.
07:07	mircea_popescu	All parties acted professionally, said 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. William Marks, who is embarked aboard Blue Ridge.
07:07	mircea_popescu	“There wasn’t any communication [with the Chinese] due to both Blue Ridge and its helicopter being a safe distance away,” Marks said.
07:07	mircea_popescu	it wasn't a confrontation : we stayed the fuck away from them, so there was no need for them to beat our living daylights out.
07:11	Naphex	damn eMag always messes up my shit
07:12	Naphex	ordered a whole pc, had to split the order so they can deliver stuff they had on inventory
07:12	Naphex	everything arrived, except the pc parts
07:12	Naphex	what am i going to do with a cooler and a PSU the whole weekend ;(
07:12	mircea_popescu	start an aquarium ?
07:13	Naphex	eh
07:13	Naphex	too boring :p
07:13	mircea_popescu	anyway, this is fascinating, i never met an emag customer before.
07:13	mircea_popescu	so you guys actually exist ?
07:13	Naphex	yeah, i get suckered in into ordering stuff
07:13	Naphex	every year or so, then i order it and regret it while i wait for stuff for weeks
07:15	Naphex	there are no local stores that carry anything high end over here
07:15	Naphex	so its either emag or its cousins
07:17	mircea_popescu	believe it or not,
07:17	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema emag
07:17	gribble	Ianuarie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/01>; Noiembrie 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/11>; Septembrie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2011/09>
07:19	Naphex	anyway emag is a big PoS
07:19	Naphex	all of my orders were above 3k$usd since ever
07:19	mircea_popescu	aye
07:19	Naphex	never ever did they deliver on time or 'right'
07:20	Naphex	not to mention they wanted me to wire the money this last time
07:20	Naphex	and they still didn't register the payment sent 3 days ago!:(
07:20	Naphex	orders were maid and paid on monday, now its friday and all i have is a cooler+PSU.
07:20	Naphex	which were suposed to get here last
07:20	Naphex	:)
07:22	Naphex	EMAG sunt mai mult decat impostori. Sunt m*****i numai prin faptul pe care l-au facut. Numai incompetenti.
07:22	Naphex	whats that swear word?
07:23	fluffypony	mFUCKi
07:23	fluffypony	*guesses
07:23	Naphex	:))
07:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share
07:24	mircea_popescu	muisti ?
07:24	mircea_popescu	nu intra. hm... jucam rebus aici lol.
07:24	Naphex	hehe
07:25	mircea_popescu	muisti = cocksuckers in romanian. a very economic language, needs fewer letters for the concept. also reflective of the fact that romanian women are on average better trained & moar experienced with it so it doesn't take as long.
07:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
07:27	mircea_popescu	Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D << lol he's playing racecars on btccharts
07:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.079 = 2.37 BTC [+]
07:28	Naphex	hehe aye, was a good day yesterday
07:28	Naphex	although there was a 120 wall at 1340
07:30	mircea_popescu	wait.
07:30	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1340/443.295460436
07:30	gribble	3.02281462274
07:31	mircea_popescu	isn't the usd like 3.20 or so ?
07:31	Naphex	3.12
07:31	Naphex	or 3.28
07:31	mircea_popescu	holy shit.
07:31	mircea_popescu	hm
07:31	mircea_popescu	;;google ron usd rate
07:31	gribble	USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR>; USD to RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx>; Convert Romanian Lei (RON) and United States Dollars (USD ...: <http://coinmill.com/RON_USD.html>
07:31	mircea_popescu	dude gogle you're so fucken useless.
07:31	Naphex	;;google 1 usd in ron
07:31	gribble	USD to RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx>; USD/RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/RON/USD.aspx>; USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR>
07:32	Naphex	doesn't look like gribble parses google calc
07:32	mircea_popescu	3.21 dood.
07:32	mircea_popescu	prev close 3.20.
07:34	Naphex	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON_trades.html
07:34	ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON
07:35	mircea_popescu	1284 trading even.
07:35	mircea_popescu	i wonder how long the local fucktards realise there's a 10% arb hole available.
07:36	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1284/443.295460436/ 3.21
07:36	gribble	0.902332723206
07:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088369 = 8.0858 BTC [-] {2}
07:40	Naphex	they realize i think
07:40	Naphex	but there is no patience,
07:41	Naphex	most people come in and exit
07:41	Naphex	yesterday was straight wall for most the day/night. 120 @ 1342 , 1344
07:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex no but i mean the derps that pretend like they're bankers and bvb traders and whatnot
07:42	mircea_popescu	meanwhile making 5k a month or something.
		~ 15 minutes ~
07:57	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: you mean the crowd that self-identify as "ibankers" ? :-P
07:59	mircea_popescu	fluffypony sort-of. these guys : http://trilema.com/2012/doua-poze-mii-de-cuvinte-milioane-de-lei/
08:00	mircea_popescu	bursa de valori bucuresti = romanian stock exchange
08:00	Naphex	quality stuff:)
08:01	Naphex	SIF SIF SIF
08:01	fluffypony	lol Google Translate
08:01	fluffypony	"robot servant in channel responds as follows"
08:01	Naphex	and tradeville ;o
08:01	mircea_popescu	Naphex back then, like 90% of the entire market cap was this one austrian conglomerate.
08:02	mircea_popescu	(which was, of course, listed on vse)
08:03	Naphex	http://www.bvb.ro/ListedCompanies/SecurityDetail.aspx?s=SIF3
08:03	ozbot	Bursa de Valori Bucuresti
08:03	pankkake	aspx, serious bizness
08:04	Naphex	Misiune
08:04	Naphex	transformarea Bursei de Valori Bucuresti intr-unul dintre cele mai active instrumente de finantare a economiei din Romania
08:04	mircea_popescu	:D
08:04	pankkake	Naphex: so why do you order from this emag thing if it sucks?
08:05	mircea_popescu	pankkake because he's assburgers and can't drive 50 miles to fucking vienna to buy the stuff off the shelf
08:05	mircea_popescu	he has to order from chisinev
08:05	Naphex	yeah exactly
08:05	pankkake	eww buying pc parts of the shelf?!
08:05	mircea_popescu	yes.
08:05	Naphex	and i was hoping to get it 2nd day
08:05	pankkake	so more practical to order online
08:05	mircea_popescu	no, it's not.
08:05	pankkake	though once I tried to save a few euros and ordered from multiple retailers, wasn't worth it
08:06	mircea_popescu	unless you have an actual provisioning contract with penalties for delays and misdelivery,
08:06	pankkake	anyway, the choice isn't that great in retail
08:06	mircea_popescu	the only way is to buy it physically.
08:06	mircea_popescu	not retail dood.
08:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0008842 = 24.0945 BTC [+] {2}
08:08	mircea_popescu	!up chetty
08:08	assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
08:08	mircea_popescu	http://www.aristofashion.com/shop/images/01_04_womens_mohair_outfit_L_45002.jpg
08:08	chetty	doods, always buy off the self, security. random stuffs is safer
08:09	chetty	god I bet that feels nice to wear
08:09	mircea_popescu	a bitch to wash prolly
08:10	davout	mircea_popescu: when i'm done with her sure
08:11	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:12	davout	unless some soupeur comes along ofc
08:12	fluffypony	lawls
08:12	*	fluffypony introduces davout to bleach
08:12	davout	"Dans son autobiographie One two two3, l'ex-prostituée Fabienne Jamet évoque ainsi cette pratique : « À l'époque où je dirigeais le 122, j'avais un soupeur qui me prenait trente à quarante foutres à chaque visite »4."
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00447929 = 0.4479 BTC [-]
08:12	davout	sauce : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur
08:12	mircea_popescu	wait what
08:13	mircea_popescu	pratiquées généralement par des hommes du Marais de la rue Sainte-Anastase
08:13	davout	"On a également désigné par ce mot des individus fréquentant les maisons de prostitution, et qui prenaient plaisir à consommer généralement à même le sexe féminin la semence abandonnée par les clients précédents (ces individus étaient souvent impuissants). D'autres appellations existent pour qualifier cet acte, comme « faire dînette »."
08:13	mircea_popescu	god help us
08:14	fluffypony	"The term soupeur means and first of all individuals who take pleasure in eating food soaked in the urine of others"
08:14	mircea_popescu	i think in english that's rolled into cuckolding
08:14	fluffypony	well
08:14	fluffypony	there's that
08:14	fluffypony	right that's enough fr.wikipedia.org for the day
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]
08:15	davout	fluffypony: lol
08:15	mircea_popescu	frenchies are fucking perverse. why not eat cum like normal people.
08:15	mircea_popescu	!up lolo
08:15	assbot	Voicing lolo for 30 minutes.
08:16	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg6630862#msg6630862
08:16	ozbot	BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
08:16	Naphex	http://www.paymentssource.com/news/bitcoinwallet-aims-to-make-digital-currency-more-social-transparent-3017836-1.html
08:16	ozbot	BitcoinWallet Aims to Make Digital Currency More Social, Transparent|PaymentsSource
08:16	mircea_popescu	Duminica, 26 August, Anul 4 (ie, 2012) : ron/usd = 3.58199 ; Today 9 May 2014 : ron/usd = 3.21055
08:16	Naphex	owner has a suit!
08:16	fluffypony	"We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two."
08:17	mircea_popescu	think about that! in the past couple of years, the dollar has lost ground AGAINST THE ROMANIAN LEU
08:17	pankkake	duel listing, I like it. FIGHT!
08:17	fluffypony	pankkake: ikr
08:17	fluffypony	who needs a 3VPO
08:17	fluffypony	when you can have...a DUELVPO
08:17	fluffypony	to the death!
08:17	pankkake	oh it's CryptoVest which does… something. I haven't figured out yet
08:17	Naphex	ah MrDunne
08:17	fluffypony	Naphex: with that smile I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him
08:18	pankkake	"Just Real Opportunity!" :|
08:18	mircea_popescu	"Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother."
08:18	mircea_popescu	sez doctor foreskinhead.
08:18	mircea_popescu	"If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better."
08:18	mircea_popescu	someone needs to hit him over the head with the http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
08:18	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: he's not wrong, assuming he's referring to the "stock" on BitcoinBourse and CryptoStocks
08:18	fluffypony	in fact
08:19	pankkake	well he's right that most are junk
08:19	fluffypony	you could bury the money as cash in the ground and dig it up over 5 years
08:19	fluffypony	*after
08:19	Apocalyptic	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPZ58dzjfE // may be relevant
08:19	ozbot	Hayman Global Outlook Pitfalls and Opportunities for 2014 by Kyle Bass - YouTube
08:19	mircea_popescu	he got trampled to shit by mpoe-pr for being a fucktard, rather than admit he;'s a fucktard he prefers to claim "it was impossible anyway":
08:19	fluffypony	and whatever hasn't decomposed would still be more than investing in BitcoinBourse stocks
08:19	Apocalyptic	I like how the first question he's asked is "what do you think about bitcoin", despite it not being mentionned at all
08:19	mircea_popescu	sure.
08:19	Apocalyptic	he took the Buffet way out
08:20	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic re buffett : i chuckled at the recent sacking of that wsj reporter over calling buffet a hypocrite for no good reason.
08:20	fluffypony	anyway I was writing a blog post about the fucktards that are Coinbase before getting distracted by this, I'ma finish it
08:20	mircea_popescu	somehow they think the strategy involved is not transparent as glass, i have no idea why.
08:21	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu re Kyle Bass, he is saying in that presentation that Argentina is the best country to invest in for the following years
08:21	mircea_popescu	unsurprising.
08:21	Naphex	well BB might just get 0dayd with all those PHP scripts they run
08:21	pankkake	fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6620628#msg6620628 if this guy really works for coinbase… :/
08:22	fluffypony	pankkake: his reply is what triggered the blog post I'm writing
08:22	fluffypony	or more specifically zumzero's backing
08:22	fluffypony	"Hmmmn, tricky. Go with the new poster whose first post started with a personal insult or take the advice and recommendation from an established and respected shareholder? What will Ken do? Tricky."
08:22	pankkake	I'm not sure what he even meant by that
08:22	pankkake	and who the RESPECTED shareholder is
08:23	fluffypony	pankkake: apparently my advice is worthless because I implied Ken hired an incompetent "project manager"
08:23	fluffypony	and Jasun7211's advice is golden because he's the *respektud sharezholder*
08:23	fluffypony	so he would never look out for himself
08:24	pankkake	also, lol at not using BitPay because they are "in bed with BFL"
08:24	mircea_popescu	fluffypony yes man, that's how it works. take dr foreskin : he does something stupid. he's publicly told just how stupid he is. he moves on to claiming that THE WORLD IS BROKEN
08:25	mircea_popescu	anything. anything whatsoever.
08:25	fluffypony	lol
08:25	mircea_popescu	anyway, basically fluffypony is sorta moving into a mpoe-pr 2.0 role here ?
08:25	mircea_popescu	curious how long that'll last.
08:25	fluffypony	I actually don't know how mpoe-pr/hanbot lasted as long as she did without quitting, I wouldn't have lasted more than a month
08:26	fluffypony	oh well yes, exactly
08:26	mircea_popescu	she's a woman.
08:26	mircea_popescu	i know what i do when i discriminate.
08:26	pankkake	I lasted in the forums because there wasn't much else I could do of my days
08:26	pankkake	insulting people on the internet was the bonus
08:27	mircea_popescu	you can only insult the willing.
08:27	pankkake	so what's your excuse, fluffypony?
08:27	mircea_popescu	i guess the rest you could rape...
08:27	pankkake	lol
08:29	fluffypony	pankkake: trolling is fun :)
08:29	fluffypony	seriously tho
08:30	fluffypony	I think there are some guys that want to do things in a way that is successful
08:30	fluffypony	and need a bit of testing-with-fire
08:30	fluffypony	so I don't mind offering constructive criticism where I can
08:31	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oWAUaZ_XZE << let's play guess the camho's age.
08:31	ozbot	CE FACEM CAND INVATAM ? - YouTube
08:32	bounce	OVER 9000!
08:32	mircea_popescu	no, it's under 9k
08:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008838 = 2.6514 BTC [-]
08:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]
08:39	Naphex	i'll go with 17
08:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [-]
08:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]
08:41	fluffypony	yeah looks like jailbait
08:41	fluffypony	except not pretty enough to be jailbait
08:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]
08:43	mircea_popescu	yeah. she's 14ish
08:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0310001 = 0.744 BTC [+]
09:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00088231 = 19.7452 BTC [-] {3}
09:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00087978 = 1.6021 BTC [-]
09:12	bounce	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/apple-said-to-be-in-talks-to-buy-beats-for-3-2-billion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
09:12	bounce	how the fsck is a novelty headphone brand worth 3.2bn dollahs?
09:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23315 @ 0.00087961 = 20.5081 BTC [-] {2}
09:14	fluffypony	bounce: they've got a wide market
09:14	fluffypony	it's one of those "if you're cool you own a pair" products
09:14	fluffypony	they'll lose ground in a few years, but right now they're a hot commodity
09:16	fluffypony	if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image
09:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65838 @ 0.0008852 = 58.2798 BTC [+] {5}
09:18	fluffypony	dat patent: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/09/amazon_granted_patent_for_taking_photos_against_a_white_background
09:18	bounce	apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim
09:18	pankkake	https://i.4cdn.org/g/1399623210961.jpg related
09:19	bounce	but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing
09:20	fluffypony	bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs
09:21	bounce	they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing
09:21	fluffypony	pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches
09:22	pankkake	fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously
09:22	fluffypony	bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision
09:22	fluffypony	time will tell
09:23	pankkake	s/insight and vision/delusionist skills/
09:24	*	bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that.
09:26	bounce	the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas
09:27	Naphex	get money spend money no money?
09:28	pankkake	buy starbucks
09:28	fluffypony	pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it
09:28	Apocalyptic	Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on
09:28	fluffypony	the dude was smart that way
09:28	Naphex	meh. jobs just hyped people
09:28	Naphex	Look a computer in a phone
09:28	Naphex	sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit
09:28	pankkake	how many bought an iThing and don't even use it?
09:29	Apocalyptic	dem hipsters
09:29	bounce	dunno. any market research into it?
09:29	bounce	though probably not exlusively to nor blamable on apple
09:30	pankkake	jobs sold the ipad to the press, as the thing that would save them
09:30	pankkake	it didn't work at all, but they hyped the ipad before that, hoping it would
09:31	bounce	so? plenty large companies do that, and worse. "vaporware"
09:31	fluffypony	Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop
09:31	Naphex	i never bought an ipad
09:32	Naphex	anyway bb, off home
09:32	bounce	fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage
09:33	fluffypony	bounce: well think about how something like WhatsApp was valued - it's valuation was based on userbase and potential monetisation right?
09:34	fluffypony	something like Beats has both a loyal user base and real revenue streams
09:34	pankkake	I wonder why there's no clothing line yet
09:36	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has
09:36	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: I can give you a bit of info on that
09:36	Apocalyptic	"Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is
09:36	fluffypony	http://www.coingecko.com
09:37	Apocalyptic	s/poloniex/cryptocoincharts
09:38	BigBitz	buying Beats was smart/smooth.
09:38	BigBitz	their target market for iPhone is the beat wearing morons.
09:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2200 @ 0.00018315 = 0.4029 BTC [-] {12}
09:39	BigBitz	They're good headphones, but, at that price they're not good...
09:39	BigBitz	Dre becomes 1st hip hop billionaire..
09:39	BigBitz	that man has smarts.
09:40	BigBitz	Although isn't it Carlye Group and HTC which own most of Beats now-a-days?
09:40	fluffypony	yeah I think so
09:40	fluffypony	they are good though
09:40	BigBitz	was the Apple buy a cash buy?
09:40	fluffypony	bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago
09:40	fluffypony	and she's abused them, yet they're still going
09:40	BigBitz	yeah they are good -- just for that kind of coin they are expensive and not THAT good.
09:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]
09:41	bounce	custom fit earbuds, say
09:41	fluffypony	we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points
09:42	fluffypony	so I basically got them for "free" with the points
09:42	BigBitz	nice.
09:42	fluffypony	I don't think I would've paid cash for them
09:42	BigBitz	free is good.
09:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00087895 = 50.4517 BTC [-] {5}
09:42	bounce	you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough
09:42	BigBitz	I wouldn't be upset to get a free pair.
09:43	fluffypony	bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P
09:43	bounce	so you got some lube for getting reamed
09:44	fluffypony	bounce: exactly!
09:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
09:44	bounce	found a book (pdf, really) by some guy who made a sport out of gaming airmiles and getting lifetime platinum diamond whatever status
09:45	bounce	kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things
09:45	fluffypony	yeah some of those reward systems can be gamed nicely if you're a big enough spender
09:46	fluffypony	ok Coinbase rant done
09:46	fluffypony	http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/
09:48	BigBitz	tl;dr
09:50	BigBitz	btw they do charge Merchants; if they're volume is significant.
09:51	bounce	unfunny
09:51	fluffypony	BigBitz: ah ok - I'll add that in as a sidebar
09:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00088605 = 2.8743 BTC [+]
09:52	BigBitz	This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business?
09:52	BigBitz	Welcome to VISA/AMEX :) ie; end user does not carry th eburden of Merchant Services Charges
09:52	BigBitz	however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee.
09:53	mike_c	it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby.
09:53	BigBitz	did the Berkshire bet "get made" ?
09:55	mike_c	well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean?
09:56	BigBitz	well was the bet made...
09:56	BigBitz	like confirmed to be have taken place.
09:56	fluffypony	https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited
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09:56	ozbot	The Official NeoCities Blog
09:56	pankkake	it's on the bitbet hompepage
09:57	BigBitz	"internal IP range" .. not sure if serious ..
09:58	fluffypony	BigBitz: https://gist.github.com/kyledrake/e6046644115f185f7af0
09:58	fluffypony	they've published the nginx rules
09:58	BigBitz	Haha.
09:58	BigBitz	Epic.
09:58	BigBitz	I like that.
10:05	mike_c	04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks.
10:09	ThickAsThieves	I'm here to bitch about fluffypony's coinbase article
10:10	fluffypony	oh lordie
10:10	mike_c	proceed
10:10	*	Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn
10:10	mike_c	perhaps a link first?
10:10	fluffypony	mike_c: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/
10:10	ThickAsThieves	Well, mostly, you are projecting all your own desires onto a business
10:10	Apocalyptic	mike_c, do you even backlog ?
10:11	ThickAsThieves	Coinbase has not obligation to be anything to you
10:11	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread
10:11	fluffypony	so it's in that context
10:11	mike_c	Apocalyptic: i was like an hour before that in catching up. so close :)
10:11	fluffypony	I can preface it with that if it'll help
10:11	ThickAsThieves	you should set it up differently then
10:12	ThickAsThieves	lile"Why I Like BitPay more than Coinbase"
10:12	ThickAsThieves	right now you just sound like a bitter customer who didnt get his way
10:12	fluffypony	yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P
10:12	bounce	bitcoinpalsucks.com
10:13	ThickAsThieves	i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post
10:13	fluffypony	bounce: http://coinbasefraud.com
10:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088685 = 21.4618 BTC [+] {2}
10:13	Apocalyptic	oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick
10:13	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: k I'll adjust it to preface it better
10:13	Apocalyptic	as old as coinbase itself
10:14	ThickAsThieves	"Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve."
10:14	ThickAsThieves	you make that leap
10:14	bounce	"complain to the ceo of bitcoin"
10:14	ThickAsThieves	but never establish their offense
10:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48661949 = 0.9732 BTC [+]
10:14	ThickAsThieves	because they form a bitcoin/fiat money-changing service they are the devil?
10:15	mike_c	coinbase is only a scam if you treat it like a daytrading exchange.
10:15	mike_c	kinda like if you treat bitbet as a last-second bitcoin faucet.
10:15	ThickAsThieves	yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you?
10:15	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet
10:16	fluffypony	they're making their users treat Bitcoin payments like PayPal payments
10:16	ThickAsThieves	users are doing it to themselves
10:17	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches
10:17	princessnell	would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way?
10:17	fluffypony	a Coinbase user buys something on a site that uses Bitpay
10:17	fluffypony	they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address
10:17	fluffypony	presumably + BIP 70 in the future
10:17	fluffypony	they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever
10:17	fluffypony	and have the money sucked out their bank account
10:17	fluffypony	and pay their 1%
10:17	ThickAsThieves	also, yknow your Coinbase thinks America is Important section mostly serves as data showing how US is important
10:18	bounce	patent violasion!
10:18	fluffypony	but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process
10:18	fluffypony	vs. a Coinbase customer paying on a Coinbase merchant site
10:19	fluffypony	where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account
10:19	mike_c	um, who cares?
10:19	ThickAsThieves	maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem
10:20	fluffypony	mike_c: I'm speaking to a specific point ThickAsThieves raised
10:20	bounce	UnicornCoin, only valid in combination with RainbowCoin
10:20	ThickAsThieves	yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces
10:20	ThickAsThieves	with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss
10:21	mike_c	yes, i think i'm following, but who cares if a user <-> coinbase <-> coinbase merchant transaction doesn't scream bitcoin?
10:21	ThickAsThieves	whether the convenience*
10:21	mike_c	"Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup."
10:22	princessnell	yr absolutely right about the cultural problems that the convenience creates
10:22	mike_c	uh.. 1.5 years is pretty dang new :)
10:22	bounce	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/
10:23	princessnell	but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way
10:23	ThickAsThieves	princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid?
10:23	fluffypony	mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle
10:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
10:23	ThickAsThieves	there's no "point" of bitcoin
10:23	ThickAsThieves	it's a thing
10:24	ThickAsThieves	it has no intention
10:24	ThickAsThieves	people can use it how they like
10:24	bounce	what, no "take the world by storm"?
10:24	mike_c	it's cash in your pocket vs. your bank account. cash in your pocket is a convience and subject to mugging.
10:24	princessnell	ThickAsThieves: moonsteads!
10:24	princessnell	(how do you tag someone by name on IRC?)
10:24	mike_c	you just did
10:25	bounce	no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account
10:25	fluffypony	mike_c: I can't agree with that analogy
10:25	princessnell	heh, easy. thanks.
10:25	princessnell	i think shaming coinbase et al is appropriate. but i think this is a structural problem with demand.
10:25	fluffypony	I don't have a better one, but that's not apt enough
10:25	mike_c	fluffypony: why? that is exactly how i use it. i purchase, move coins to storage, and use CB for random day-to-day purchase/bets.
10:26	mike_c	and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there.
10:26	ThickAsThieves	CB serves certain purposes
10:26	ThickAsThieves	and that's okay
10:27	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here
10:27	princessnell	right. but it does prime people in a problematic way.
10:27	mike_c	wha?? why would you pull an article that is generating debate?
10:27	ThickAsThieves	princessnell i dont think "priming" people should be a concern of coinbase necessarily
10:28	ThickAsThieves	nor am i sure it's even relevent
10:28	princessnell	ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business.
10:28	Apocalyptic	fluffypony, don't pull it just because TAT is being a coinbase shill
10:28	ThickAsThieves	haha
10:28	fluffypony	lol
10:28	fluffypony	no no
10:28	princessnell	i think path dependencies are relevant
10:28	ThickAsThieves	yeah dont pull it
10:28	fluffypony	I want to make my arguments clearer
10:28	ThickAsThieves	i just think it was a shot from the hip
10:28	ThickAsThieves	with better aim you might hit something
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+]
10:28	*	fluffypony nods
10:29	fluffypony	ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance
10:29	Apocalyptic	for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit
10:29	mike_c	fluffypony: leave it as is, and tell TaT to comment on it if he doesn't like it
10:29	mike_c	then respond to the comment
10:29	mike_c	then you have a post and a lively comment section!
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0325 = 0.4875 BTC [+] {2}
10:30	ThickAsThieves	we're regulating how to properly take criticism now
10:30	ThickAsThieves	lol
10:30	mike_c	meta-criticism
10:30	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves is too lazy to comment
10:30	fluffypony	:-P
10:30	ThickAsThieves	well why comment on an article that might change!
10:30	ThickAsThieves	;)
10:31	mike_c	if your blog posts don't make people mad you end up with no comments.
10:31	ThickAsThieves	really i spoke up, and here, because i care
10:31	ThickAsThieves	i was like no fluffy, no!
10:31	fluffypony	awwwww
10:31	fluffypony	such love <3
10:31	fluffypony	ok ok, I'll make my points clearer
10:31	fluffypony	*when* I get a chance
10:32	fluffypony	and then you can comment on that new article
10:32	Apocalyptic	<ThickAsThieves> i was like no fluffy, no! // i like dem fluffy
10:33	ThickAsThieves	next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever"
10:33	fluffypony	ha hhah
10:33	fluffypony	evar
10:33	Naphex	https://medium.com/p/cb2f81962c1b pff
10:33	Naphex	whats wrong with DNS
10:33	Naphex	and vetting it through bitcoin sig
10:34	fluffypony	dat low-res header pic
10:34	ThickAsThieves	whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with
10:35	ThickAsThieves	"y keeping the chain code hidden behind the server, we get unlinkability. "
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
10:35	Naphex	what i proposed and had a working example
10:35	ThickAsThieves	"If the chain code ever leaks then all your payments become linkable."
10:35	Naphex	is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned
10:35	Naphex	everything in that article is then solved
10:35	ThickAsThieves	"First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already
10:36	fluffypony	Naphex: so push it as a BIP and get comments on it
10:36	Naphex	i am shit at writing docs, better at writing and talking through code
10:36	Naphex	:(
10:36	fluffypony	Naphex: BIPs don't need much in way of documentation
10:36	fluffypony	and once it's up other people will contribute to it
10:36	ThickAsThieves	Hearn is on a mission to solve solved problems
10:36	fluffypony	(the documentatio, I mean)
10:37	Naphex	meh i'll reset up my example with bip32
10:37	bounce	what's medium.com on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site.
10:37	thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: lets record a bitcoin rap album
10:37	Naphex	and get some comments
10:37	Naphex	see where it goes
10:37	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin can't rap
10:38	thestringpuller	i bet MPOE-PR could rap
10:38	fluffypony	I'll rap - I mean, I did say on the AMC thread that I was "dropping the mic"
10:38	fluffypony	so restekp.
10:39	thestringpuller	Fine ThickAsThieves i'll get some producers myself and make my own bitcoin mix tape :P
10:39	ThickAsThieves	i've heard, with my own ears, "bitcoin" rapped in this studio in lyrics, it was embarassing
10:39	ThickAsThieves	you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin
10:39	ThickAsThieves	instant shill status
10:39	fluffypony	ok so what we do is get some samples and rhyming couples recorded
10:39	thestringpuller	Got so much crypto wealth, its bad fo niggas health.
10:39	fluffypony	and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service
10:40	thestringpuller	Boom
10:40	thestringpuller	i bet even Kanye could make that sound dope
10:40	ThickAsThieves	well mainstream rappers are shills mostly
10:40	fluffypony	"[16:40:06] buZz: i noticed orgcoin even has quadminingpools"
10:40	fluffypony	mergedmining lulz
10:41	ThickAsThieves	hi gais, i'm trying to quantum mine, which pool should i use/
10:41	fluffypony	one that supports 4 coins at the same time!
10:41	thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: who is your favorite rapper?
10:42	ThickAsThieves	i probably dont have 1 specific 1
10:42	ThickAsThieves	i like Killer Mike
10:42	ThickAsThieves	Pharcyde
10:42	ThickAsThieves	Dres from Black Sheep
10:43	thestringpuller	damn you old
10:43	ThickAsThieves	older Kid Cudi
10:43	fluffypony	lol
10:43	ThickAsThieves	i liek some new people
10:43	ThickAsThieves	Action Bronson
10:43	ThickAsThieves	I like some Schoolboy Q
10:44	ThickAsThieves	Kdot
10:44	ThickAsThieves	some Wale stuff is cool
10:44	thestringpuller	I think my favorite rapper of all time is Curren$y
10:44	thestringpuller	closely followed by Jay-Z
10:44	thestringpuller	then Big Daddy Kane
10:44	ThickAsThieves	yeah i like Jat Z's second half of his career
10:44	ThickAsThieves	Jay*
10:45	ThickAsThieves	but i like diff rappers for diff reasons
10:45	Naphex	ICE CUBE
10:45	ThickAsThieves	like Jay Z's lyrics can be pretty lame
10:45	thestringpuller	I honestly think Curren$y would hang out in #bitcoin-assets if he was in bitcoin
10:45	ThickAsThieves	but his delivery is on point
10:45	Naphex	ICE CUBE
10:45	pankkake	xzibit likes merged mining
10:46	ThickAsThieves	Kid Cudi sings all his raps, but much replayability
10:46	thestringpuller	That's only cause you like Friday Naphex
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7548 @ 0.000126 = 0.951 BTC [-] {3}
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10:48	thestringpuller	"Hold on lemme find my lighter...*lighter sound* The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg"
10:48	Naphex	:))
10:49	thestringpuller	Wale made a line just for me "Money got me pulling strings, I got that Geppetto dough"
10:49	Naphex	nah i'm just oldschool :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdN6hgxAlyk#t=29
10:51	*	ThickAsThieves ponders a "Buy TAT a joint" bitcoin tip button for Amsterdam liveblog.
10:55	fluffypony	good idea
10:55	thestringpuller	fluffypony
10:56	thestringpuller	sounds like a stuffed animal
10:56	fluffypony	thestringpuller: http://fluffypony.co.za/images/main.jpg
10:56	thestringpuller	SFW?
10:56	ThickAsThieves	yes
10:56	ThickAsThieves	I see tim-tams is going interviewing in Ams too
10:57	thestringpuller	Tim Tams?
10:57	fluffypony	thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :)
10:57	ThickAsThieves	some guy that was in the logs earlier
10:57	ThickAsThieves	soliciting for "sponsorships"
10:57	thestringpuller	;;gettrust fluffypony
10:57	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
10:58	fluffypony	not authed?
10:58	*	fluffypony kicks gribble
10:58	thestringpuller	;;ident
10:58	gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
10:59	fluffypony	;;ident
10:59	gribble	Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
10:59	fluffypony	fixed
10:59	thestringpuller	damn i've been in #bitcoin-assets a long time
10:59	thestringpuller	2012
10:59	thestringpuller	how does time fly?
11:00	thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you?
11:00	pankkake	how old are you?
11:01	thestringpuller	26
11:01	thestringpuller	dob '88
11:01	thestringpuller	:\
11:02	fluffypony	wow
11:02	fluffypony	I miss my 20s
11:02	thestringpuller	i will too!
11:02	pankkake	I'm clinging to them
11:02	thestringpuller	they are flying before my eyes
11:02	thestringpuller	like what the actual fuck
11:03	thestringpuller	i don't want to turn into a cranky old man this soon like MP
11:03	fluffypony	lol
11:03	thestringpuller	i want to spend some time being irresponsible ~_~
11:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00088713 = 2.7501 BTC [+]
11:03	pankkake	there's no age to be a curmudgeon
11:03	ThickAsThieves	<+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry
11:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]
11:13	jborkl	MP : You kids get off my lawn!!
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11:27	ThickAsThieves	"This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when.
11:32	mike_c	stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday?
11:32	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: Obama?
11:32	fluffypony	:-P
11:32	mike_c	US doesn't have a word for motherland though.
11:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00088652 = 21.4981 BTC [-] {2}
11:34	davout	mike_c: wat
11:34	mike_c	wat wat
11:34	davout	that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur
11:34	ThickAsThieves	mike_c, yes putin this week
11:34	mike_c	w00t, i win
11:35	davout	i mean you're saying english doesn't have a word for X, where X is a word, that doesn't sound like you just made it up
11:35	mike_c	davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland
11:35	davout	I IS CONFUSED
11:35	davout	hm
11:35	ThickAsThieves	well, nation
11:36	ThickAsThieves	or, pursuit of happines
11:36	ThickAsThieves	s
11:36	pankkake	I thought it was Murica
11:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088608 = 2.1709 BTC [-]
11:38	fluffypony	MURKA world polices!
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11:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00088608 = 5.2279 BTC [-]
11:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
11:55	jurov	isn't it homeland?
11:56	ThickAsThieves	aha!
11:56	ThickAsThieves	yes
11:56	ThickAsThieves	or heartland
11:56	ThickAsThieves	is another
11:56	ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICv6xV-lSE#t=29
11:56	ozbot	Ross Sisters - A Crazy Dance Video From 1944 (Watch After 1:00) - YouTube
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71915056 BTC to 8`652 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
12:00	ThickAsThieves	how did that gay kid fare in th nfl draft?
12:01	ThickAsThieves	i guess he isnt picked yet
12:03	ThickAsThieves	"am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick."
12:03	ThickAsThieves	Sam*
12:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00088608 = 4.6519 BTC [-]
12:07	ThickAsThieves	to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed?
12:08	mike_c	well, first off, the last 20% is always where the time is spent
12:08	ThickAsThieves	sure, but this was on schedule to be completed 2 yrs ago
12:08	mike_c	so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them?
12:09	ThickAsThieves	maybe, it's not me calling the shots
12:09	ThickAsThieves	but i can influence
12:09	ThickAsThieves	i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush
12:09	artifexd	ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new
12:09	ThickAsThieves	and that turned into this monster
12:09	mike_c	two years late on a one year project is bad management.
12:09	pankkake	is the 20% the actual, vital stuff?
12:09	ThickAsThieves	yeah
12:10	ThickAsThieves	permissions for users and such\
12:10	pankkake	sounds like it should have been the first thing to do
12:10	artifexd	Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent?
12:10	ThickAsThieves	i think they use foreigners so the tasks arent clearly communicated
12:10	ThickAsThieves	nothing new has been added to the plate
12:11	ThickAsThieves	it's just half-assing the requirements
12:11	ThickAsThieves	then pretending they didnt understand
12:11	pankkake	there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside
12:11	ThickAsThieves	i think another issue is the provider vastly underestimated the work
12:11	ThickAsThieves	but agreed to flat fee
12:11	ThickAsThieves	so it became low priority or something
12:11	artifexd	Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification.
12:12	ThickAsThieves	i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup
12:12	ThickAsThieves	but even cleanup is taking months
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]
12:12	artifexd	Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion?
12:12	Naphex	<+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team
12:12	Naphex	long-term, even after it's completed? <<
12:12	ThickAsThieves	right
12:12	Naphex	<<< Bring in the heavy artillery
12:13	ThickAsThieves	like i had plans to grow this thing afterward
12:13	Naphex	bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent
12:13	ThickAsThieves	we do have the source so far
12:13	ThickAsThieves	current programming is done on our server
12:14	ThickAsThieves	it's online education/training
12:14	Naphex	<+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long?
12:14	ThickAsThieves	i think we are on the backburner
12:16	ThickAsThieves	it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it
12:16	ThickAsThieves	just in the loop somewhat
12:16	Naphex	ah well, when i used to pick up dieing projects
12:17	Naphex	i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease
12:17	ThickAsThieves	this is actually the 3rd or 4th team we had on it, the previous one were all worse
12:17	ThickAsThieves	every team wants to start over
12:17	Naphex	are you using freelancers? or outsourcing companies?
12:18	Naphex	if every team wants to start over it might just be too shitty
12:18	ThickAsThieves	they purport to be a team, a business
12:18	pankkake	they probably want to start over for good reasons
12:18	ThickAsThieves	but i think they are just outsourcers now
12:18	ThickAsThieves	probably, but at some point someone has to fucking finish something
12:18	Naphex	the starting over thing, there is where the problems lie
12:18	pankkake	I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again
12:19	ThickAsThieves	thats why its hard to let go
12:19	Naphex	it might just be too shitty of a code+architecture to work productively in
12:19	ThickAsThieves	since we already started over several times
12:19	Naphex	i've had clients picked up who used very very shitty platforms, which ended up beeing very succesful
12:19	Naphex	then all the problems started, while working in their code base was just a waste of time
12:20	Naphex	and any new feature they wanted to add might take more then 1 month
12:20	Naphex	i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year
12:20	Naphex	the code, the platform was just too shitty to waste any good programmers time on it
12:20	bounce	sometimes you do need to start over. though not as often (and often not when) dev teams want to start over
12:21	Naphex	http://starshiners.ro/ -- 30k~ clients, 5-6k deliveries daily
12:21	pankkake	bounce: lol, yeah. we wanted to start over on our own code for a project, but it was still manageable, albeit painful
12:22	bounce	amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_
12:22	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:23	ThickAsThieves	the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing
12:23	ThickAsThieves	years of work
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12:25	ThickAsThieves	in that sense a rewrite is probably inevitable huh
12:25	thestringpuller	isn't that what Khan Academy does?
12:25	ThickAsThieves	no
12:26	ThickAsThieves	the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training
12:26	pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle ?
12:26	ozbot	Moodle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12:26	ThickAsThieves	pretty much
12:26	ThickAsThieves	we actually use Moodle for one portion of students
12:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
12:26	benkay	it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves
12:27	pankkake	perhaps building around Moodle, with people who actually know Moodle, would get better results
12:27	benkay	unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place.
12:27	ThickAsThieves	i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though
12:28	pankkake	benkay: depends on how dirty you want it to be :D
12:28	benkay	then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds
12:28	benkay	pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method.
12:28	pankkake	GPLv3 should be ok, it's not AGPL
12:28	ThickAsThieves	well it was more organic than that of course
12:28	ThickAsThieves	they had a custom thing some freelancer made
12:28	ThickAsThieves	and Moodle
12:29	ThickAsThieves	so they had two systems
12:29	*	bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up".
12:29	ThickAsThieves	which made dev of either one awkward
12:29	ThickAsThieves	and they wanted one system
12:29	bounce	that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp.
12:29	ThickAsThieves	later came the ideas of SaaS
12:31	ThickAsThieves	there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software
12:31	ThickAsThieves	orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need
12:31	ThickAsThieves	in the SaaS version you
12:31	ThickAsThieves	'd be able to customize such
12:31	benkay	sounds like you'd want to preserve your ability to deliver features fast and on budget at all costs.
12:33	ThickAsThieves	well we have yet to encounter a team that can assist, finding one is not easy when you have no reliable connections into better breeds of programminig teams
12:33	benkay	man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in.
12:33	ThickAsThieves	nor quite the ability to confidently discern between them
12:34	benkay	yeah that's the really rough part of the problem
12:34	benkay	not being able to qualify tech teams
12:34	benkay	that's brutal, man.
12:35	benkay	Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr
12:36	thestringpuller	"If you want nice things you have to pay for them"
12:36	benkay	i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro
12:36	ThickAsThieves	the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway
12:36	benkay	ebay staff didn't think it was even POSSIBLE. but we did it.
12:36	benkay	cost...too much. probably more than writing a cms/ecom platform ourselves woulda.
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12:37	benkay	but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack.
12:37	ThickAsThieves	note that this point is off on a tangent
12:38	benkay	yeah sorry
12:38	ThickAsThieves	there's no new expense for this current iteration
12:38	ThickAsThieves	other than time passing
12:38	ThickAsThieves	they make progress, it's just painfully slow
12:39	ThickAsThieves	but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want
12:39	ThickAsThieves	so they wanna pay someone to handle that
12:39	ThickAsThieves	because no idea when custom system will be ready
12:40	benkay	fixing upstream bugs?
12:41	bounce	teach'em to swim
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.079 = 2.765 BTC [+]
12:41	ThickAsThieves	?
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.041 = 1.599 BTC [-]
12:47	benkay	!up blackwhite
12:47	assbot	Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
12:47	benkay	blackwhite! welcome back
12:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55806 @ 0.00088608 = 49.4486 BTC [-]
12:49	blackwhite	thanks
12:52	benkay	how've you been?
12:54	benkay	!up Sahtor
12:54	assbot	Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.
12:56	mircea_popescu	!up non2_
12:56	assbot	Voicing non2_ for 30 minutes.
12:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]
12:57	mircea_popescu	bounce:
12:57	mircea_popescu	apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after.
12:57	benkay	hola JorgePasada
12:59	mircea_popescu	Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit << exactly. in point of fact nobody actually wants an apple anything.
12:59	mircea_popescu	they just temporarily thought they did.
12:59	asciilifeform	obligatory:
12:59	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
13:00	ozbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
13:00	asciilifeform	(written during a living steve j)
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.041 = 1.476 BTC [-]
13:01	mircea_popescu	and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss
13:01	mircea_popescu	in changing a functional workstation for a severely crippled, difficult to use one.
13:01	mircea_popescu	the placebo benefit is fading.
13:03	mircea_popescu	!up SatoshiJack
13:03	assbot	Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
13:03	mircea_popescu	bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother.
13:04	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/
13:05	ThickAsThieves	71 voters participated, 31 abstained
13:05	asciilifeform	apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation'
13:06	asciilifeform	(in the sense of the hardware and os baked under same roof)
13:06	mircea_popescu	mike_c:
13:06	mircea_popescu	04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there"
13:06	mike_c	oh yes, no argument there.
13:07	benkay	y'all apple haters miss the part where they make the best laptop chassis in the world.
13:07	mike_c	benkay: have you ever picked up an apple server? it weighs 200 lbs for no good reason.
13:07	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: so it's in that context << you have to include your context in your blogposts. that's why mine end up ungodly long soimetimes, you want a reader falling on it ten years later to still get a whole meal.
13:07	benkay	mike_c: who buys apple servers?!
13:08	mircea_popescu	benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world.
13:08	mircea_popescu	ya know ?
13:08	mike_c	mm, desktops might have been a better word choice. and designers do.
13:08	asciilifeform	benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop)
13:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform my laptop has a car.
13:08	benkay	y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices.
13:08	asciilifeform	lol
13:08	benkay	give me a year.
13:09	asciilifeform	then you have 3 offices. back to laptops.
13:09	ThickAsThieves	i do all my programming on tablet
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.079 = 0.316 BTC [+]
13:09	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you program nao ?
13:09	ThickAsThieves	no
13:10	benkay	he trollin
13:10	ThickAsThieves	other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes
13:10	mircea_popescu	that's scripting
13:10	asciilifeform	'condemned to program for life, at Her Majesty's pleasure'
13:10	ThickAsThieves	but yeah i was trolling
13:11	ThickAsThieves	even scripting is too gracious a term for it
13:11	mircea_popescu	fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ?
13:11	ThickAsThieves	it's like editing variables
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.079 = 1.422 BTC [+]
13:12	mircea_popescu	thickasscriptkiddies
13:12	ThickAsThieves	you spelled crypt wrongly
13:12	mircea_popescu	thick-ass-crypt-kitties.tumblr.com
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 34 @ 0.041 = 1.394 BTC [-]
13:12	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Read it, the more opinions the better
13:12	fluffypony	Out for supper, will catch up in a bit
13:14	ThickAsThieves	deviladvocate.biz new-user count is up 50% in 5 days. Almost ready to IPVO!
13:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00088304 = 10.1108 BTC [-]
13:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034125 = 0.1365 BTC [+] {3}
13:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.041 = 8.2 BTC [-]
13:31	mike_c	mircea_popescu: did you miss paying out a small dividend on s.bbet last month?
13:32	mircea_popescu	mike_c no ?
13:33	jurov	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27192724 O.o
13:33	jurov	no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers"
13:33	mike_c	hm. btcalpha accountants think that no div was paid last month, and 0.250730601 BTC should've been paid to shares on mpex.
13:34	mike_c	of course, that's 9 digits after the decimal, so they can't really be trusted.
13:34	mike_c	http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/
13:35	ozbot	BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:35	jurov	mike_c mpex dividends are really paid to 18 digits of accuracy
13:35	mike_c	;;calc (1.19395524 - 0.35818657) * 0.3
13:35	gribble	0.250730601
13:35	jurov	just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment
13:35	mircea_popescu	mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC."
13:36	mircea_popescu	what 1.19 ?
13:36	mike_c	30% goes to mistake, 70% should go to divs, yes?
13:37	mircea_popescu	the 30% that normally goes to mpex shareholders goes towards the credit
13:37	jurov	and the rest goes where?
13:37	mircea_popescu	nowhere
13:37	mike_c	ah, i get it
13:38	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point
13:39	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point.
13:39	mike_c	jurov: 18 digits. you know way too much about mpex.
13:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex: whats wrong with DNS << that you didn't document your thing.
13:41	jurov	mike_c: i don't know nearly as much as i wish
13:42	jurov	but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is
13:42	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin << i could pull it off.
13:42	mircea_popescu	!up martin_____
13:42	assbot	Voicing martin_____ for 30 minutes.
13:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 67 @ 0.041 = 2.747 BTC [-]
13:43	jurov	for MPOE: round_to_satoshi(99.77743063/500000000*<number of your shares>)
13:44	jurov	where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself
13:45	jurov	and _no_ other rounding is done, so the dividend is not a whole number of satoshi
13:45	jurov	despite being published as such
13:46	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc.
13:46	mircea_popescu	homeland is reviled from what i can see
13:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4044 @ 0.00088324 = 3.5718 BTC [+]
13:47	Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah i'll get some time to document it and make some examples.
13:47	pankkake	well, homeland security
13:47	Naphex	mircea_popescu: but guess what, emag is delivering my shizz woop:D
13:47	asciilifeform	u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic'
13:47	asciilifeform	a kind of 'aspirational' tag
13:47	pankkake	the French might use Patrie, which is like the motherland but with a penis
13:47	asciilifeform	vaterland.
13:47	jurov	http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to
13:47	ozbot	S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha
13:47	mircea_popescu	Naphex maybe they idle here.
13:48	asciilifeform	~= отечество
13:48	asciilifeform	rus. has both words
13:48	Naphex	mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :))
13:48	Naphex	payments even:P
13:48	asciilifeform	('родина' ~= motherland)
13:49	mircea_popescu	what happens when the fatherland and the motherland get in bed ?
13:49	asciilifeform	lol!
13:49	jurov	the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share
13:49	asciilifeform	(note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, '
13:49	asciilifeform	'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war
13:50	mike_c	why not a 7 at the end?
13:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics.
13:50	mike_c	given profit was 199.55486127
13:50	jurov	mircea_popescu: really, you tolerate almost 5% reporting error?
13:50	mircea_popescu	jurov hm ?
13:51	jurov	you publish dividend as 19 satoshi
13:51	mircea_popescu	May 09 14:23:57 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share
13:51	jurov	but it was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share
13:51	mircea_popescu	so ?
13:51	mircea_popescu	it truncates.
13:52	jurov	you report truncated value that is 5% off from reality
13:52	mircea_popescu	a truncated value is truncated.
13:52	mircea_popescu	if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0
13:52	mircea_popescu	calculating the % off from reality left as an exercise to the commenter.
13:53	Naphex	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/254pv8/the_bitcoin_foundation_must_remove_satoshi_as/
13:53	jurov	i know that's lost cause, hopefully at least mike_c starts reporting things right.
13:53	pankkake	"Now that a highly controversial figure has been elected" who?
13:53	*	mircea_popescu opts not to click on reddit
13:54	pankkake	eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?"
13:54	mircea_popescu	pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid.
13:54	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves seriously, my call is that you've been identified as pork, and you are being farmed.
13:57	asciilifeform	;;google a pig like that you don't eat all at once
13:57	gribble	FARK.com: (8147761) A pig like that, you don't eat all at once: <http://www.fark.com/comments/8147761/A-pig-like-that-you-dont-eat-all-at-once>; The Famous Pig - Animal Jokes - Jokes Place!: <http://www.jokesplace.com/joke/famouspig.html>; The Best Joke I Can Tell In Sports Illustrated - 04.11.05 - SI Vault: (1 more message)
13:57	mike_c	jurov: my only hesitation is that i would have to maintain "how many shares are held on mpex" for each symbol so i could do my own calculations. for example, what's that number for f.mpif?
13:57	jurov	mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it
13:58	mircea_popescu	mike_c you can just pick up assbot's announcements i guess
13:58	mike_c	assbot announces divs?
13:58	jurov	yes, grep for [PAID]
13:58	mircea_popescu	i just quioted it above dood
13:58	mircea_popescu	http://news.yahoo.com/young-children-could-face-bullying-charges-city-164036847.html
13:58	ozbot	Young children could face bullying charges in city - Yahoo News
13:59	mircea_popescu	how the fuck can someone purport to raise children in the us.
13:59	mircea_popescu	if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand
14:00	asciilifeform	probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds.
14:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 88.10217657 BTC to 80`673 shares, 109209 satoshi per share
14:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 302 @ 0.00089843 = 0.2713 BTC [+] {2}
14:02	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game
14:02	mircea_popescu	it's so hypocritical it bleeds.
14:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 325 @ 0.00089871 = 0.2921 BTC [+] {4}
14:04	fluffypony	bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo
14:04	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
14:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2}
14:04	mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/#comment-1377068971 yw.
14:04	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: tks
14:04	fluffypony	hah hah
14:05	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists
14:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]
14:05	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform who knows by now.
14:06	mircea_popescu	i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing
14:06	mircea_popescu	s/stop/start/
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 102 @ 0.07254763 = 7.3999 BTC [-] {10}
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]
14:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wait what, lol! in Ro ?
14:06	mircea_popescu	considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school.
14:06	mircea_popescu	yes in ro.
14:07	mike_c	<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D
14:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]
14:07	mircea_popescu	mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz.
14:08	asciilifeform	more interestingly, sometimes (at least in 'college towns') there is chaos if... the 'right' team wins. celebratory riot.
14:08	mircea_popescu	that's with fucking tho neh ?
14:08	mike_c	i know right? like tearing down goal posts
14:08	mircea_popescu	princessnell maybe go in #freenode and ask for a cloak ?
14:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26115 @ 0.00088688 = 23.1609 BTC [+]
14:09	Naphex	real men use real hosts:D
14:09	Naphex	hehe
14:09	asciilifeform	mike_c: over here, they sometimes celebrate by wrecking shop windows, lighting fires in the road, etc. but a public and ostentatious mass police beating put a bit of a pause in this 'colourful tradition' - at least, for now.
14:09	pankkake	Naphex: exactly
14:10	mike_c	asciilifeform: NYPD doesn't put up with that crap either
14:10	fluffypony	benkay:Magento's a really good example of this. <- this is so freakin' true. Even worse are when they pay for a ton of dev work on Magento Community Edition and then move to Magento Enterprise, and basically have to re-engineer and re-do all the work
14:13	mircea_popescu	omfg he deleted my comment
14:13	mircea_popescu	CENSORSHEEP
14:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [+]
14:14	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I haven't
14:15	fluffypony	it's "pending approval"
14:15	mircea_popescu	a my cookie died ?
14:15	fluffypony	I'm just too lazy to login to my moderation thing
14:15	mircea_popescu	mk
14:15	fluffypony	normally it sends an email and I can reply to the mail to approve
14:15	fluffypony	but no mail yet, so I'll login and approve it later
14:15	pankkake	I was able to see it with the link
14:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00088713 = 2.0404 BTC [+]
14:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
14:19	mircea_popescu	o look, she got a cloak too
14:20	Apocalyptic	dem girls know to IRC nao
14:20	mircea_popescu	https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited
14:20	ozbot	The Official NeoCities Blog
14:21	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I linked to that hours ago, yo
14:21	fluffypony	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#667307
14:21	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
14:21	punkman	so that guy was selling mining contracts without having anything: "Your bought contract NOT started, because our mining rig seller from China not delivered our bought mining rig and we lost our paid 4500 USD."
14:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07921715 = 0.1584 BTC [+]
14:22	fluffypony	punkman: "lost"
14:22	mircea_popescu	fluffypony i know, that's where i got it from
14:22	fluffypony	ah ok
14:23	mircea_popescu	i wanted to make a ocmment, but then i couldn't understand what comment i want to make.
14:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
14:23	mircea_popescu	so some random nobody throttled... the access "of fcc" to his random site nobody but you reads ?
14:24	mircea_popescu	that consists mostly of... text ?
14:24	mircea_popescu	i'm not on the right drugs am i.
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
14:24	mircea_popescu	" Designed as a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities, Neocities lets you make your own site for free. And it just might spark a renaissance of creativity online. "
14:25	mircea_popescu	o wait, he takes doge.
14:25	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: their effort isn't the big deal - they published the nginx rules, and there's been a bit of uptake from other sites implementing them
14:25	fluffypony	nothing important
14:25	mircea_popescu	so basically, every failed marketing fucktard in the world has by now flocked to doge coins, as a great example of the "unlimted possibility" and "all that cvould be achieved" for marketing fucktards, in their own opinion.
14:25	mircea_popescu	thats what it is innit
14:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
14:25	fluffypony	but who knows, maybe it'll become "a thing", to quote ThickAsThieves :-P
14:25	mircea_popescu	but what'd be the thing ?
14:26	mircea_popescu	i mean, fcc employees aren't supposed to derp on random etsy boutique blogs on their fcc connections anwyay
14:26	mircea_popescu	now if porntube did this...
14:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
14:27	pankkake	indeed: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-07/porn-watching-epa-employee-found-by-agency-watchdog.html
14:27	fluffypony	I know, it's kinda like the occupy wall street of the Internet :-P
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.041 = 5.125 BTC [-]
14:28	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, do you plan on keeping the price of trilema credits the same forever, or is buying trilema credits an act of shorting BTC?
14:28	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron wait, aren't those two clauses unrelated ?
14:28	asciilifeform	speaking of derpatronics: there i was, trying to pick up some chair on the cheap, and saw:
14:29	asciilifeform	http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bfd/4399390408.html
14:29	ozbot	Robotics Venture
14:29	fluffypony	s/or/and ?
14:29	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, if the price in BTC is going to change as the price of BTC changes, then wouldn't buying credits be like buying into FIAT (shorting BTC)?
14:30	danielpbarron	oops, price of trilema credits
14:30	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron ah ah.
14:30	mircea_popescu	well imo they're much too cheap atm, so ima not change them a while.
14:30	danielpbarron	if the price of trilema credits in BTC..
14:30	asciilifeform	trilema credit is probably the life support hose keeping tor alive...
14:30	mircea_popescu	lol
14:31	danielpbarron	right, they are cheap at the moment if you think of it in terms of the current FIAT price of BTC, but they are expensive if you are really long on BTC
14:31	mircea_popescu	;;calc 450 * 0.01 / 10000
14:31	gribble	0.00045
14:31	pankkake	what, you people don't have ~10 IPv4s on hand?
14:31	mircea_popescu	that can't be right.
14:32	fluffypony	danielpbarron: so take $5, buy Bitcoin in -OTC, buy credits
14:32	mircea_popescu	that is right. holy shit.
14:32	mircea_popescu	well, let's say i won't change the price until btc reaches 1mn each
14:32	danielpbarron	fluffypony, that's not the point; I guess what I mean is: is buying trilema credits like an investment denominated in BTC?
14:32	fluffypony	when btc reaches 1 mil I'm selling stock in my remaining trilema credits
14:32	fluffypony	:-P
14:33	danielpbarron	^^
14:33	mircea_popescu	lol
14:33	danielpbarron	good info to know; thank you
14:33	mircea_popescu	people ocasionalyl just want to make a donation, and so i think there are some people with 5 or 10 btc's worht
14:33	fluffypony	danielpbarron: I think the cost is too low to have a measurable impact on one's personal wealth
14:33	mike_c	it's like selling private keys though, doesn't work. you can't enforce that you won't use the cookie after selling.
14:34	danielpbarron	fluffypony, someone could buy way more credits than they need with the plan of selling them in the future
14:34	mike_c	except you can't sell them :)
14:34	fluffypony	I mean, when BTC is at 1mil a pack of Trilema creds will be worth $10k. if you're long on BTC you'll have a net worth an order of magnitude higher than that, so it'll be irrelevant.
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
14:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00088713 = 11.2222 BTC [+]
14:35	pankkake	you could action the credits
14:35	fluffypony	mike_c: you could run a proxy using your cookie
14:35	pankkake	auction*
14:35	mike_c	ok, proxy would work. if the buyer accepts your counterparty risk.
14:35	fluffypony	yesh
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03449992 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {5}
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] {2}
14:36	pankkake	!up wolverineks
14:36	assbot	Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes.
14:36	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: how does one get gpg certified on your blog?
14:36	fluffypony	well when BTC is at 1mil
14:36	fluffypony	it'll cost $450 per view
14:36	thestringpuller	like hanbot
14:36	danielpbarron	that's what I was thinking
14:36	pankkake	oh that's what the icon means?
14:36	asciilifeform	gpg certified?
14:36	danielpbarron	and it would be worth it too
14:36	fluffypony	so I'd imagine selling proxied access will be worthwhile
14:36	asciilifeform	i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer'
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] {2}
14:37	thestringpuller	oh
14:37	pankkake	if I was selling content, I wouldn't want to be the one thinking of the price
14:37	Apocalyptic	<asciilifeform> i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' // wait, hanbot is a cryptographer N
14:37	pankkake	it's actually why I like to sell on auctions: I'm not setting the price
14:37	danielpbarron	if Bitcoin is worth 1000000 USD, a trilema page view probably really is worth 450 USD per view
14:37	mircea_popescu	an order of magnitude << really.
14:37	mircea_popescu	apparently they have large penises AND large orders of magnitude in south africa
14:38	bounce	can't order magnitudes here.
14:38	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller what do you mean gpog certified ?
14:38	asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: wait, hanbot is a cryptographer << i've no idea. possibly.
14:38	thestringpuller	i guess I'm misunderstanding the little key symbol on your blog
14:38	mircea_popescu	oh that.
14:38	fluffypony	colloquialism, bitches: http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2013/01/orders-of-magnitude.html
14:39	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/category/criptograme/
14:39	ozbot	Criptograme pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:39	mircea_popescu	i had a guess the word contest whatever you call it in english
14:39	mircea_popescu	if you figure out enough of them you get a key
14:39	thestringpuller	Oh. that's neat!
14:39	thestringpuller	thanks answering mircea_popescu
14:39	asciilifeform	lol!
14:40	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/criptograma-starii-lucrurilor-celor-moi-de-mijloc/
14:40	ozbot	Criptograma starii lucrurilor celor moi de mijloc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20841 @ 0.00088745 = 18.4953 BTC [+] {2}
14:40	asciilifeform	i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.'
14:40	mircea_popescu	for instance that is "curva nasoala", which means nasty whore
14:40	bounce	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram
14:40	ozbot	Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:40	mircea_popescu	cur (ass) + v nas (nose) oala (pot)
14:40	Apocalyptic	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram // unrelated
14:40	ozbot	Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:41	Apocalyptic	meant to quote bounce
14:41	thestringpuller	lol sorry for derailing the conversation ~_~
14:41	bounce	huh, different thing that I know by that name
14:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'назойливая курва' !
14:41	*	asciilifeform has been dipping into the slavic influence in Ro. lang.
14:42	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/criptograma-locosexuala/
14:42	ozbot	Criptograma locosexuala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:42	mircea_popescu	this one is sex in baie (fucking in the bathroom). sec (dry) sin (tit) baie (mine)
14:42	bounce	probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given
14:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah but shorter :D
14:43	bounce	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword <-- probably this one
14:43	ozbot	Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:43	mircea_popescu	bounce i guess it'd be "criptograph" or something
14:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fun fact : as far as romanian linguists are concerned, nasol comes as gypsy influence
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}
14:45	mircea_popescu	and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/
14:45	mircea_popescu	i must have.
14:46	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not 'nocere' ?
14:46	asciilifeform	(lat)
14:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13107 @ 0.0008865 = 11.6194 BTC [-] {2}
14:46	asciilifeform	or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ?
14:46	pankkake	[D!up peterL
14:46	pankkake	!up peterL
14:46	assbot	Voicing peterL for 30 minutes.
14:47	pankkake	one day, I'll up on the first time
14:47	peterL	thanks pankkake :)
14:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
14:47	mircea_popescu	NASÓL, -OÁLĂ, nasoli, -oale, adj., s. m. și f. (Arg.) 1. Adj., s. m. și f. (Om) urât sau ridicol. 2. Adj. (Despre obiecte) De proastă calitate; urât, uzat; caraghios. – Din țig. nasvalo „bolnav'”, nasul „rău, meschin”.
14:47	mircea_popescu	tig being "gyp"
14:47	peterL	has anybody had experience with escrow.ms on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable?
14:48	mircea_popescu	not heard of them.
14:48	mircea_popescu	i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble.
14:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0725 = 1.015 BTC [-] {3}
14:50	hanbot	asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.' << s'not as cool as all that, but who can resist the allure of shiny golden insignia
14:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
14:52	asciilifeform	http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5313/53415412.2f/0_607c0_8f2afb51_XXL.jpg
14:52	bounce	aw. no morse?
14:52	asciilifeform	alternatively,
14:52	asciilifeform	http://trx.ucoz.ua/_ph/3/2/547117208.jpg
14:52	mircea_popescu	1st version is better
14:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
14:53	asciilifeform	agreed.
14:54	asciilifeform	http://pix.photone.me/file/5605.jpg
14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]
14:55	pankkake	nice racks
14:58	mircea_popescu	Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality – yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota’s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny?
14:58	mircea_popescu	this is a fine point indeed.
15:00	mircea_popescu	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 and nao this expolains a lot
15:00	ozbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
15:01	mircea_popescu	I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the “Creak Test” – hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage.
15:02	asciilifeform	(this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.)
15:02	TheNewDeal	if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise?
15:02	pankkake	uh, https://discussions.apple.com/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/841/8417178-2.jpg is not a rare occurence
15:03	asciilifeform	pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell.
15:03	pankkake	if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend
15:04	asciilifeform	if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend.
15:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
15:04	mircea_popescu	if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho
15:04	pankkake	so there's various degrees of holding it wrong
15:05	TheNewDeal	making a noise isn't necessarily indicative of mechanical integrity
15:05	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything
15:06	TheNewDeal	fine fine
15:06	asciilifeform	the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass
15:09	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date.
15:10	mircea_popescu	it's a good article.
15:10	mircea_popescu	you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others.
15:10	mircea_popescu	nobody cares what many people think.
15:11	asciilifeform	yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects
15:12	mircea_popescu	"@SunSentinel · 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ?
15:12	asciilifeform	(note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious)
15:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way.
15:14	hanbot	the grass must be made greener
15:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product.
15:14	asciilifeform	russian army style.
15:14	asciilifeform	by painting it.
15:14	benkay	80k is a luxury product now?
15:14	mircea_popescu	if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either
15:15	asciilifeform	photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product.
15:15	mircea_popescu	benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ?
15:15	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product.
15:15	mircea_popescu	the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k.
15:15	mircea_popescu	this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time
15:15	mircea_popescu	if they could make it so building a house cost 100k,
15:15	mircea_popescu	then the economy would be stable.
15:15	asciilifeform	less, if you permit exotica like machine-sculpted concrete
15:15	mircea_popescu	so, they're trying.
15:16	bounce	5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what?
15:16	mircea_popescu	so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc"
15:16	mircea_popescu	that's the product.
15:16	mircea_popescu	like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product.
15:16	mircea_popescu	bounce all materials, house for a fambly.
15:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 598 @ 0.00088636 = 0.53 BTC [-]
15:19	mircea_popescu	"@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple.
15:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12191 @ 0.00088412 = 10.7783 BTC [-] {2}
15:19	bounce	so where does the cost come from, labour?
15:20	mircea_popescu	bounce red tape, mostly.
15:21	mircea_popescu	labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world.
15:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]
15:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.0008827 = 15.6238 BTC [-] {3}
15:32	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc.
15:32	asciilifeform	rather than let price fall
15:34	mircea_popescu	not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell.
15:34	mircea_popescu	just, some here and there going the way of the rot
15:35	asciilifeform	there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit)
15:36	asciilifeform	nobody is getting a house, in decent physical condition, near a major employment hub, for 10k. yet.
15:37	asciilifeform	for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain.
15:40	nubbins`	so
15:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
15:40	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/tuyA5pC
15:40	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
15:40	nubbins`	^ i got a $50 parking ticket today
15:40	nubbins`	for parking too close to the stop sign.
15:41	nubbins`	"but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location"
15:41	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/n2mH95j
15:41	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
15:41	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/7SqpDa8
15:41	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
15:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ?
15:42	asciilifeform	ohio.
15:42	mircea_popescu	yea
15:43	asciilifeform	i bet alaska is cheaper still.
15:43	mircea_popescu	nah
15:43	mircea_popescu	very expensive. have to ferry all the shit
15:43	asciilifeform	ok, arizona.
15:45	nubbins`	cost of goods in alaska, too
15:45	nubbins`	have fun buying $50 watermelons
15:46	asciilifeform	i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house.
15:46	nubbins`	not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods
15:46	asciilifeform	but for some reason alaska climate puts them off.
15:46	nubbins`	$1000 house? nice try
15:47	nubbins`	$250k would get you a shack
15:47	asciilifeform	as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc.
15:48	asciilifeform	one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
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15:48	asciilifeform	by auto-segregating
15:48	benkay	this poor kid
15:48	nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073586_free.jpg
15:49	benkay	"i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship"
15:49	asciilifeform	nubbins`: where?
15:49	nubbins`	nunavut, canada
15:49	benkay	welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy
15:49	nubbins`	home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage
15:50	benkay	at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins`
15:50	nubbins`	rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well
15:50	nubbins`	on average
15:50	nubbins`	so much for cheap houses :D
15:50	nubbins`	benkay: internships are for suckers :D
15:51	asciilifeform	the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
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15:52	asciilifeform	to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live.
15:52	nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073554_free.jpg
15:52	nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073567_free.jpg
15:53	asciilifeform	(keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)
15:53	nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073614_free.jpg
15:53	mircea_popescu	benkay "credits" = ?
15:53	nubbins`	uni courses are generally assigned a number of credits
15:54	nubbins`	when i went, three credits per course was the norm
15:54	nubbins`	some courses with less hours (say, labs) would be 2 credits
15:54	nubbins`	and you need X credits to get Y degree
15:54	Namworld	Hey, Compliments brand
15:54	asciilifeform	nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit.
15:55	nubbins`	:(
15:55	nubbins`	TANJ
15:55	nubbins`	Namworld, you have Sobeys? :D
15:55	asciilifeform	given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain.
15:56	nubbins`	my entire bachelor's degree was a comical undershoot
15:56	Namworld	No, we have Metro
15:57	nubbins`	interesting, never heard of it
15:57	nubbins`	Compliments brand is owned by Sobeys
15:58	mircea_popescu	i went to school in a time before credits.
15:58	Namworld	Wait, wrong one... Compliments is from IGA
15:58	mircea_popescu	you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses.
15:58	nubbins`	a whole dozen courses!
15:58	nubbins`	i had to pass that many in my first year ;(
15:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18126 @ 0.0008845 = 16.0324 BTC [+]
15:59	benkay	i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree.
15:59	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/kenny-green-sentence-recommendation-shocks-victim-s-family-1.2637181
15:59	ozbot	Kenny Green sentence recommendation shocks victim's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
16:00	princessnell	egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities
16:00	nubbins`	^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house
16:00	nubbins`	good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years
16:00	asciilifeform	benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws
16:00	nubbins`	asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper!
16:00	benkay	didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ?
16:01	asciilifeform	long ago. before the 'edukation' racket.
16:01	nubbins`	FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits"
16:01	Namworld	Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now.
16:01	nubbins`	genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm
16:02	nubbins`	Namworld: nod, all a big mess. reminiscent of loblaws/superstore/dominion all selling President's Choice
16:03	bounce	there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas.
16:03	Namworld	Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks.
16:03	mircea_popescu	nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year
16:03	mircea_popescu	benkay you still can.
16:05	Namworld	Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates?
16:06	asciilifeform	getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work.
16:07	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D
16:07	nubbins`	not very well, at least
16:07	bounce	the "name brand" stuff, yes. like, unilever, kraft, nestle?
16:07	Namworld	yeah
16:08	bounce	the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains
16:08	Namworld	Of course now with home brands, there's less of this "name brand", but still.
16:08	nubbins`	ah, the wonders of outsourcing
16:09	nubbins`	vertically integrated supply chains don't really allow for this
16:09	nubbins`	not to the same degree, anyway
16:11	benkay	!up locksley
16:11	assbot	Voicing locksley for 30 minutes.
16:11	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/how-do-you-take-apart-a-150-tonne-whale-1.2637654
16:11	ozbot	How do you take apart a 150-tonne whale? - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
16:11	benkay	DYNAMITE
16:11	nubbins`	bunch of whales got trapped in the ice here recently
16:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
16:11	nubbins`	washed up on the shores of some small communities
16:11	bounce	don't need a how-to for that. blow it up before it blows itself up.
16:12	nubbins`	the royal ontario museum graciously took possession of the carcasses
16:12	bounce	sold the meat to japan, or what?
16:12	nubbins`	heh
16:12	nubbins`	nah, analyzing all of the tissue and bringing the skeleton to a museum
16:12	nubbins`	turns out blue whale carcasses are incredibly hard to come by
16:13	nubbins`	i spent some time in trout river two years ago, strange Deliverance-esque place
16:13	nubbins`	very tiny, very rural community, surrounded by -- but not part of -- a national park and UNESCO world heritage site
16:21	Namworld	There's a shortage of huge, hanging whale skeletons?
16:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10212 @ 0.0008845 = 9.0325 BTC [+]
16:22	mircea_popescu	princessnell no, a restaurant that accepts btc is not a bitcoin entrepreneur
16:23	mircea_popescu	but, they're for some reason really desperate to push this everyman btc angle, so...
16:23	Namworld	Hey, they actually look pretty nice https://www.flickr.com/photos/beatymuseum/4661706048/in/set-72157623691146419/
16:23	Namworld	I can see why they would be in demand.
16:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
16:25	bitcoinpete	http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-maker-fires-half-its-staff-declares-were-not-scammers/
16:25	benkay	bitcoinpete: what are the target capitals?
16:25	bitcoinpete	hashfast lulz via princessnell
16:25	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what about a restaurant that only accepts BTC?
16:25	mircea_popescu	i guess.
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
16:25	bitcoinpete	benkay: let's decide right now
16:26	bitcoinpete	i imagine they'd be in europe and asia
16:26	benkay	buenos aires
16:26	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete which one is this one ?
16:26	nubbins`	Namworld nod, graceful giants
16:26	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/09/the-rothschilds-of-bitcoin/
16:26	ozbot	The Rothschilds of Bitcoin | When Bitcoin Met Pete
16:27	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: figuring out where to put the capitals of finance for the 21st and 22nd centuries
16:27	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete no i mean the bitcoin miner
16:27	mircea_popescu	o hash fast yea
16:28	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: o http://hashfast.com/about-us/
16:28	bitcoinpete	"san fransisco-based"
16:28	princessnell	mircea_popescu i know. i have to be demure.
16:28	bitcoinpete	ceo is "Eduardo deCastro is a serial entrepreneur with a long track record of success"
16:29	mircea_popescu	what's being demure like ?
16:29	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete "A long track record of success, omitted here for reasons that were in turn omitted"
16:30	nubbins`	i've imagined it to be like having a secret, but i suspect that's more due to my not being demure by nature than to an actual understanding of the condition
16:30	benkay	hey -assets nginx or apache?
16:30	nubbins`	benkay IIS
16:30	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: it's so uncouth to name names
16:30	nubbins`	;D
16:30	bitcoinpete	hashfast vp of engineering: Amy most recently came from Engine Yard, where in less than two years she went from Senior Developer to Director of Engineering. She oversaw the development of the flagship product, EY Cloud, growing revenue by over 60% in one year.
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16:30	princessnell	it's about putting an idea in someone's head without outright saying it
16:31	joecool	"serial entrepreneur"
16:31	mircea_popescu	princessnell my only familiarity with the term is in the context "he proposed but she demured", ie, how to end up a spinster.
16:32	benkay	demur != demure
16:32	princessnell	ah. i see.
16:32	benkay	demur 0> demurred
16:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
16:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00088242 = 12.6627 BTC [-] {2}
16:33	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: what's this definition in context stuff? i could've sworn we had dictionaries for a reason ;)
16:33	benkay	demure is something else entirely.
16:33	fluffypony	bitcoinpete: senior dev to director of engineering in 2 years? seems legit.
16:33	benkay	fluffypony: engineyard. seems legit.
16:33	princessnell	this is more or less what i mean: http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=871
16:33	benkay	derpy rails hosting operation dot butts
16:33	fluffypony	lol
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
16:34	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete yeah, and the dictionaries end up looking like lists of contexts
16:34	mircea_popescu	fluffypony you dispute the track record of success ?
16:34	nubbins`	;;dict demur
16:34	gribble	wn: demur n 1: (law) a formal objection to an opponent's pleadings [syn: {demur}, {demurral}, {demurrer}] v 1: take exception to; "he demurred at my suggestion to work on Saturday" [syn: {demur}, {except}] 2: enter a demurrer
16:34	nubbins`	;;dict demure
16:34	gribble	wn: demure adj 1: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way [syn: {coy}, {demure}, {overmodest}]
16:34	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I dispute that "Director of Engineering" means what they think it means
16:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they're not really distinct. same root, abranch was broken off to rub clits with is all.
16:35	nubbins`	broken branch nub rub
16:35	mircea_popescu	fluffypony would you prefer engineer of directoring ?
16:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5012 @ 0.0008845 = 4.4331 BTC [+]
16:36	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: they should call a spade a spade and just say "was still a senior developer, but we lost a bunch of managers and needed a lead developer that needed a sense of self-importance"
16:36	mircea_popescu	edm life added you to list edmnewsdaily/awesome-people-108
16:36	mircea_popescu	this dude has 108 lists of awesome people ?
16:36	mircea_popescu	i wanna be him now.
16:36	fluffypony	lol
16:36	mircea_popescu	fluffypony your spade is very lengthy.
16:36	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that's what she said
16:37	bitcoinpete	http://www.sec.gov/News/Speech/Detail/Speech/1370541764008#.U207v1za7FK
16:37	ozbot	SEC.gov | Remarks to the Council of Institutional Investors
16:38	asciilifeform	ever notice how the tech hucksters use names like 'rails,' 'engine yard,' etc. - meant to evoke pictures of an era when industry was still in good health
16:38	mircea_popescu	yea
16:38	bitcoinpete	"The federal securities laws are built upon the premise that an informed investor is the key to robust and efficient nature of our markets." << the root problems
16:38	fluffypony	asciilifeform: yeah, I'm waiting for one of the CEOs to start calling himself "the Conductor"
16:39	asciilifeform	Conducător.
16:39	fluffypony	lol
16:39	asciilifeform	Il Conduttore.
16:39	asciilifeform	etc
16:40	fluffypony	Serial Entrepreductor
16:40	bitcoinpete	"Questions about whether a market is trustworthy go to the heart of a market’s survival. Is the market fair? Is it efficient? How does it facilitate capital formation? Are investors protected? Do you trust it?"
16:40	mircea_popescu	;;google Conducător
16:40	gribble	Conducător - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conduc%C4%83tor>; conducător - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conduc%C4%83tor>; Şcoala Tînărului Conducător Ediţia XII-a - Seara Culturală, CLT ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRu8HyvFTwk>
16:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 69 @ 0.07508565 = 5.1809 BTC [+] {2}
16:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 245 @ 0.041 = 10.045 BTC [-]
16:41	mircea_popescu	this is what various romanian derps called themselves
16:41	asciilifeform	aye
16:41	davout	bitcointalk is so fucking priceless sometimes
16:41	asciilifeform	i didn't pull it directly out of me arse
16:41	mircea_popescu	a ok
16:41	davout	"Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it"
16:41	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
16:42	mircea_popescu	funny how terminally braindamaged entities which by the very definition of the term can not possibly have a personal relation to anything
16:42	asciilifeform	'i like rotting meat just fine except for the number of weevils'
16:42	jborkl	Hashfast update blog We are not scammers- we are just really fucking stupid
16:42	mircea_popescu	liberally sprinkle "personally" in coversation
16:42	jborkl	http://hashfast.com/on-why-were-not-scammers/
16:43	bitcoinpete	jborkl: now there's a difference
16:43	mircea_popescu	this should become part of hs curricula
16:44	mircea_popescu	"write a 500 word essay as to why you're not a scammer"
16:44	jborkl	amazing team
16:44	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:45	jborkl	heh still rings true
16:45	jborkl	kako you need to add amazing team now
16:45	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]
16:46	davout	i should make a bot that echoes assbot, the chan would explode the instant someone says amazing
16:46	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:46	mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/g32bBRLV
16:46	mircea_popescu	any bets as to what she does next?
16:46	mircea_popescu	sues me for e-bullying ? aneurism ?
16:50	bitcoinpete	so who can hook me up with a coinbr referral code?
16:50	mircea_popescu	jurov ?
16:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
16:51	jborkl	mircea-popescu : Did I really see the Bitcoin awards list or was someone goofing?
16:52	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: that'd be awesome if jurov would
16:53	bitcoinpete	unless someone else wants to scoop it
16:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07260599 = 0.363 BTC [-] {4}
16:53	thestringpuller	HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
16:54	thestringpuller	I know Gina Luttrell
16:54	thestringpuller	WOW
16:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
16:54	thestringpuller	more amazing than assbot
16:54	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:54	mircea_popescu	jborkl i have no idea
16:55	benkay	mircea_popescu: i don't know how you have the fucks to give about people who communicate in gifs.
16:55	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: languages and the arts: see if you can digest this russian tidbit: 'Штирлиц встал с позаранку и отодрал занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску - румынские разведчицы.'
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16:55	mircea_popescu	jborkl how would you distinguish between those two cases ?
16:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07696999 = 0.3079 BTC [+]
16:55	mircea_popescu	either way it's someone goofing.
16:55	jborkl	well, touche
16:55	mircea_popescu	benkay nono, really angry mediocre middle aged woman. she KNOWS.
16:55	mircea_popescu	feminism is like fucking math, forget social sciences. you can be wrong in feminism nao.
16:56	mircea_popescu	anyway, the turmoil of the unworthy amuses me. i'm not the sort that calls the cops if you break in.
16:57	mircea_popescu	i'm the sort that shoots you in both shoulders and both knees, then pulls a chair close and watches you bleed.
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07696999 = 0.6927 BTC [+] {2}
16:57	thestringpuller	so why is Gina whining?
16:57	mircea_popescu	i dunno, someone was wrong.
16:57	thestringpuller	some feminist mumbo jumbo I presume
16:57	mircea_popescu	on like the internet or something. i didn't go into that much detail.
16:57	thestringpuller	obviously not her
16:58	mircea_popescu	i just realised that her name is gina and she goes by VGsomething
16:58	thestringpuller	never argue with a girl from Agnes Scott
16:58	thestringpuller	she's proud of her vagina?
16:58	mircea_popescu	what's agnes scott ?
16:58	thestringpuller	;;google Agnes Scott
16:58	gribble	Agnes Scott College: <http://www.agnesscott.edu/>; Agnes Scott: <http://athletics.agnesscott.edu/>; Agnes Scott College - Admission: <http://www.agnesscott.edu/admission/>
16:58	thestringpuller	an all girls college
16:58	asciilifeform	'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near.
16:58	thestringpuller	here in Atlanta
16:58	mircea_popescu	like a vassar for poor midwestern would be carrie bradshaws ?
17:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform stirlitz rose from sofa and tore at the curtain, wherein a romanian spy was hiding ?
17:02	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yea pretty much that. also most guys are told not to date anyone from there because they may run off with your penis in the middle of the night
17:03	Apocalyptic	i lol'd
17:03	mircea_popescu	i imagine they make great lays actually.
17:04	mircea_popescu	"Hysteresis defeatism interprets a weak recovery due to inadequate stimulus as a reason not to try more stimulus"
17:04	mircea_popescu	ahaha i would say i have my twitter tuned to perfection.
17:05	mircea_popescu	"hysteresis" you see. it's like, all scientific and crap.
17:05	mircea_popescu	like global warming
17:05	mircea_popescu	no wait. i mean like catastrophic racist white man made computer driven opression.
17:05	mircea_popescu	or w/e it's called now
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]
17:06	asciilifeform	1) get academtard job 2) connect 'shannonizer' 3) profit
17:07	asciilifeform	(in case anyone thinks this only works for the pheminists, http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 )
17:07	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually. << oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is
17:07	asciilifeform	obligatory (oldie):
17:07	asciilifeform	http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv
17:07	ozbot	arXiv vs. snarXiv
17:08	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well if you listen to everything you're told...
17:10	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: stierlitz rose bright-and-early ('с позаранку') and tore back the curtain ('отодрал занавеску'). little did he know that Позаранку and Занавеску were Romanian spygirls. ('отодрал' can also mean 'fucked raw'; the first segment is a gag on the rus. accusative declension '-у.)
17:11	mircea_popescu	lol
17:11	Apocalyptic	oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is // they prolly wanted to keep them for themselves
17:12	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'встал с позаранку' in this case - 'lifted himself off Pozaranku'
17:12	asciilifeform	'traduttore tradittore.'
17:13	asciilifeform	why did i even try.
17:15	jborkl	'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near. <1. That is a really big vagina 2. Does that mean they live in vagina village or that they are lesbo? I dont get it
17:15	asciilifeform	jborkl: i didn't ask.
17:15	jborkl	heh
17:16	asciilifeform	all i could think of was the infamous 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (u.s. papers, circa vietnam war)
17:17	jborkl	that pussy got pounded
17:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03320007 = 0.4648 BTC [+] {2}
17:17	jborkl	I crack myself up
17:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 155 @ 0.03300204 = 5.1153 BTC [-] {2}
17:19	mircea_popescu	one quarterpounder of pussy
17:19	mircea_popescu	no cheez.
17:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0065379 = 0.353 BTC [+]
17:20	jborkl	haha gross
17:20	jborkl	I can't believe you said that I am so offended
17:20	mircea_popescu	i wonder what % of the various derps i ask for a quote from, receive a horribly mangled piece of nonsense that I never reply to realise that they fucked up.
17:21	mircea_popescu	also, http://i.imgur.com/BVyJ0ZR.gif
17:21	asciilifeform	this animal is better known for the other end of its digestive tract...
17:24	mircea_popescu	hehe yea
17:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03172482 = 0.3172 BTC [+]
17:25	mike_c	i'm all for free speech and what not, but you guys are being really generous not cutting this crap: http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/#c2887
17:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
17:26	BingoBoingo	mike_c: There is no greater endorsement that would be competitors being forced to advertise on your platform.
17:26	BingoBoingo	*than
17:26	mike_c	yes, but generally you make them pay for the privelege
17:27	mircea_popescu	eh fuck em, you tell me someone's going to bother select that gnarl and paste it in browswe window ?
17:28	mircea_popescu	let the kids have their free speech, they'll use it for a good purpose whether they want to or not.
17:29	pankkake	bitcoinpete: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=V1CUawCMeE if not too late
17:29	bitcoinpete	sorry pankkake and artifexd, looks like peterL scooped it
17:30	mircea_popescu	he dun scooped ?
17:30	bitcoinpete	it's a peter thing
17:30	artifexd	The penalty for reading the logs in batches instead of realtime...
17:32	pankkake	what are the numbers in the fairly thing? I don't get it
17:33	mircea_popescu	lol quora joins yc
17:33	mircea_popescu	wasn't the new paul graham derping about how they "frown" on corps that went through other "accelerators" because they should have been already accelerated ?
17:34	benkay	that's not an acceleration nearly as much as it is a prolonging of imminent demise
17:35	mircea_popescu	i hjave no idea wtf they must have been thinking.
17:35	mircea_popescu	isn;t that thing proposing that it's worth ~1bn, ie more than mpex these days ?
17:35	pankkake	isn't quora just a forum where ycombinators derp at each other?
17:35	mike_c	quora just closed an $80m funding round..
17:35	mircea_popescu	pretty much.
17:35	mircea_popescu	mike_c wasn't it 150mn ?
17:35	pankkake	why. WHY
17:35	mircea_popescu	someone pulled out ?
17:36	mircea_popescu	pankkake i dunno why dood. ask mike_c, he understands the whys of marketcaps.
17:36	mike_c	maybe you saw the total. they've raised 140 total
17:36	mircea_popescu	mike_c a right you are.
17:37	mike_c	YC companies are supposed to hand over 6% of their company to join
17:38	mircea_popescu	i dunno how the fuck a fixed % can work
17:38	asciilifeform	for investment of... $15k ?
17:38	asciilifeform	last i checked
17:38	bitcoinpete	mike_c: ayup, i know a guy who's going to san fran for 3 months this summer to go through the yc meat processor. it's 6%
17:38	asciilifeform	(and, of course, a drink of 'holy water')
17:38	mike_c	well, obviously no fucking way quora is doing that.
17:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11057 @ 0.00088522 = 9.7879 BTC [+]
17:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12518 @ 0.00088423 = 11.0688 BTC [-] {2}
17:43	benkay	they bumped to 140k i b'leev.
17:43	benkay	dat qe.
17:43	asciilifeform	140k barely buys a garbage truck.
17:45	benkay	yc companies barely out-revenue a single-truck garbage hauling operation.
17:46	fluffypony	http://yclist.com
17:46	fluffypony	turn off active and exited so you're only looking at Dead
17:47	fluffypony	"Whitenoise is like a social network for the music industry."
17:47	benkay	FitFU
17:47	benkay	yeah that's great.
17:47	fluffypony	I say we pick one of these every week, setup a bullshit site, and list it on BitcoinBourse or CryptoStocks
17:47	fluffypony	see how long before someone notices
17:48	benkay	hue hue hue
17:50	mircea_popescu	lol
17:50	mircea_popescu	and spend the proceeds on lobbying for having vessenes appointed submarine captain in the vietnamese fleet ?
17:51	fluffypony	hah hah
17:51	mircea_popescu	(which, btw, is and has been for a while engaged in a standoff with th echinese fleet over some shoals
17:51	mircea_popescu	apparently those people exist to stick in superpowers' beaks)
17:51	bounce	so garbage hauling is a sound investment, you say? fan of the fun lovin' criminals perchance?
17:52	fluffypony	OR we spend the money lobbying to have Kim Jong-un voted on to the Bitcoin Foundation
17:52	mircea_popescu	or both. why not have both ?
17:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0008877 = 27.2524 BTC [+] {3}
17:52	fluffypony	both it is!
17:52	bounce	bit late, two guys got voted in today. getting someone booted would help. who'd you want booted?
17:53	mircea_popescu	i bashed this entire thing btw. it's too lulzy
17:57	fluffypony	davout: "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells" <- we forgot to ask him how we're shells
17:57	fluffypony	seashells?
17:58	jborkl	No Mpex has the double cheery truck seal
17:58	pankkake	fluffypony: cd troll ; ls
17:58	jborkl	so no scam, what award do they have?
17:58	davout	fluffypony: if the guy was able to write properly he probably wouldn't be that retarded :D
17:58	fluffypony	pankkake: core dumped
17:58	pankkake	stock pumped
17:58	fluffypony	whoot whoot, buy neo&bee!
17:59	fluffypony	actually I have found a place worse than the forums
17:59	fluffypony	the chat box / troll box on btc-e or cryptsy is WAY worse than the forums
18:00	mircea_popescu	lmao
18:00	mircea_popescu	you're such a noob.
18:00	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: twas accidental
18:00	fluffypony	support button is on the left, chat is on the right, I clicked the wrong one
18:00	fluffypony	then it was like watching a car accident
18:00	fluffypony	I couldn't turn away for like 5 minutes
18:01	jborkl	Havelock to Sponsor Int. Kickboxing Event
18:01	jborkl	jean claude van damme to headline
18:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0063799 = 0.6444 BTC [-] {2}
18:01	mircea_popescu	fluffypony no but i mean "o hey guise, i discovered trollbox on btce"
18:01	mircea_popescu	kinda public knowledge :D
18:02	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: o yes, was just generally commenting on it being the bottom of the barrel
18:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00088401 = 2.3462 BTC [-]
18:04	mircea_popescu	yea
18:10	fluffypony	http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/05/05/tokyo-sexwale-accused-of-trying-to-blackmail-wife-over-hardcore-porn
18:10	ozbot	Tokyo Sexwale accused of trying to blackmail wife over hardcore porn - Times LIVE
18:11	fluffypony	title is all you need
18:12	benkay	what a name
18:12	benkay	http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2010/11/03/schoolgirls-caught-at-booze-and-porn-party
18:12	benkay	"A group of 13-year-old girls from Nelson Mandela Bay's elite Collegiate High School have landed in hot water after being caught sipping vodka and watching a pornographic video - allegedly of one of them having sex with her boyfriend - on a cellphone.
18:12	benkay	"
18:13	benkay	i'll just squeeze this beer.
18:19	fluffypony	davout, pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/hiKVziV.jpg
18:19	pankkake	lol
18:19	mircea_popescu	so what is the problem ?
18:20	fluffypony	I don't think there's an implied problem in that graph, it's more a statement of fact :-P
18:20	davout	fluffypony: lol, already old in france-land tho
18:20	davout	do you know how i can easily make a horse laugh ?
18:21	fluffypony	tell him a joke?
18:21	mircea_popescu	not the graph, the 13yos
18:21	davout	i tell him my dick is larger than his
18:21	fluffypony	lol
18:21	davout	now do you know how i make him cry ?
18:21	fluffypony	no clue
18:21	mircea_popescu	show him your gf ? :D
18:21	davout	show him my dick
18:22	davout	dad's joke #7244
18:22	fluffypony	lol
18:22	fluffypony	so Joel McHale's White House Correspondant's dinner speech was so bad they cancelled Community
18:22	mircea_popescu	it is a pretty good joke
18:22	fluffypony	season 5 will be the end
18:22	mircea_popescu	fluffypony dude WAS atrocious.
18:22	fluffypony	yeah he bombed
18:24	benkay	poor guy
18:24	benkay	blamed for shit he didn't even write
18:24	punkman	was gonna get canceled anyway
18:25	mircea_popescu	everyone fancies themselves a comedian these days,
18:25	mircea_popescu	it's the singer-songwriter of the 2010s
18:25	mircea_popescu	benkay his timing was worse, and generally,
18:25	punkman	first couple of seasons were full of tvtrope orgasms
18:25	mircea_popescu	guy;s a talentless hack. you probably have coworkers more talented
18:26	fluffypony	punkman: agreed, it was way too long in the teeth. that's the problem with fan-driven show "resurrections", often the fans are too embroiled in the show to realise that it's time to die.
18:26	bounce	let's write a series then
18:26	benkay	coworkers?!
18:27	benkay	okay on a different note
18:27	benkay	how does a distributed team communicate over GPG?
18:27	benkay	s/over/with
18:27	benkay	email threads + encryption -> nightmare
18:27	davout	benkay: it's just a problem with the tool
18:28	davout	shouldn't be painful if your mail client is GPG-aware
18:29	joecool	davout: distributed
18:29	joecool	it's a bitch and a half
18:29	joecool	need to have a key for the team to work that way, or encrypt each message with each member's key
18:30	davout	joecool: that's dead easy with GPG
18:30	joecool	davout: which way and how?
18:30	pankkake	the only issue is when people leave or join, otherwise yes it's easy
18:30	davout	CLI -> cat message.txt | gpg -a -e -r member1 ... -r memberN -s -u my_key
18:30	punkman	shared key kinda works
18:30	davout	punkman: shared key is retarded
18:30	joecool	shared key is bad for security
18:30	pankkake	I use multiple destination a lot, actually
18:31	fluffypony	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/I0JQld6.jpg
18:31	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:31	benkay	so then you get an email with n giant gpg blobs?
18:31	davout	pankkake: yeah, that's dead easy, also multiple recipients is kinda mandatory if you want to be able to decrypt what you encrypt to someone else
18:32	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417
18:32	davout	benkay: no, because GPG uses a proxy key
18:32	pankkake	yes, I usually want to know WTF I wrote
18:32	davout	it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient
18:33	benkay	lovely!
18:33	benkay	thank you davout.
18:33	joecool	maybe someone in here with a better understanding of the inner workings of gnupg can answer this
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
18:34	benkay	<davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient // joecool that's the deal right there
18:34	mircea_popescu	benkay> email threads + encryption -> nightmare << why ? we don't have a problem here do we ?
18:34	benkay	i'm just derpy and didn't know about the multiple recipient procedure mircea_popescu
18:34	joecool	benkay: that works, just wasn't sure of how to do it, my query is about something different
18:34	mircea_popescu	a a nm
18:34	fluffypony	k I'm out, night
18:34	mircea_popescu	sleep well fluff
18:34	benkay	night fluffer
18:35	davout	also, for OSX-fags : pbpaste | gpg -a -e -r recipient1 ... -r recipientN -s -u my_key | pbcopy == encrypt+sign clipboard contents
18:35	joecool	i use openpgp smartcards, i don't keep my keys on any other form of storage other than my master key which is kept encrypted on an offline archive disk (this is so i can mint new openpgp smartcards if necessary)
18:35	davout	fluffypony: bye
18:35	fluffypony	I leave you with this: http://i.imgur.com/SmyTVno.jpg
18:35	joecool	but i also have key expiry set, i can't change my key expiry unless i load up gnupg with my offline copy and change it there
18:35	davout	fluffypony: nice cameltoe + spelling mistake, should read bitchcoin
18:35	joecool	if i try with smartcard it just errors
18:35	fluffypony	lol
18:36	pankkake	fluffypony: that's better than the golden crackwhore
18:36	mircea_popescu	davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient << this is correct
18:36	mircea_popescu	the only part is the original block cypher encryption at the front that swells
18:37	pankkake	fun command of the day: gpg --list-packets
18:38	joecool	gah, hate pinentry
18:38	davout	joecool: wai, pinentry is cool
18:38	joecool	davout: it sucks ass, there's two ways for me to use it
18:39	joecool	1. with ncurses, which it fucks up horribly
18:39	davout	pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent
18:39	joecool	2. with X, which means won't work over screen or in console
18:39	joecool	but going back to problem one, it'll just corrupt the term anyway or not show up proper
18:40	davout	joecool: wat? when i use it on servers it works fine, and with OSX everything also goes better than expectation, did you try a Ctrl+L to unfuck the term (untested)
18:40	joecool	this is a gnupg 2.xx issue, gnupg 1.xx didn't have the problem because it didn't use pinentry
18:40	pankkake	yeah, it's annoying, I'm using 2. because of thunderbird, but then I can't use it over ssh without changing the pinentry
18:40	davout	joecool: i use 1 with pinentry
18:41	Apocalyptic	ncurses is not that bad
18:41	davout	joecool: have you tried to use === instead ?
18:41	davout	XD
18:41	davout	or in french : "ton câble est bien branché? t'as essayé de siffler comme un con?"
18:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15265 @ 0.0008831 = 13.4805 BTC [-]
18:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0008881 = 5.7282 BTC [+]
18:50	davout	https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fein-coin--2
18:50	ozbot	Fein Coin | Indiegogo
18:50	davout	what has the internet done
18:50	mircea_popescu	is it a good thing ?
18:51	davout	"You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more."
18:51	davout	i need to delete the internet icon from my computer
18:57	Namworld	"My name is Ben Fein. I founded Fein Coin with the picture of letting people pay for them the buy gift cards using a mobile app. I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency. Enjoy. :)"
18:57	Namworld	>>I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency.<<
18:58	davout	he had me at "Fein Coin is a e-currency that in the beginning 1 Fein Coin=$20"
19:00	Namworld	That has got to be trolling...
19:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00088811 = 23.002 BTC [+] {2}
19:00	benkay	amazingly cute ceo
19:00	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
19:01	mircea_popescu	could he be more retarded ?
19:01	Namworld	Wait it's a video... so it's actually a kid...
19:01	benkay	couldn't say. is the kid really driving the thing?
19:02	Namworld	Maybe he vaguely understands Bitcoin and thinks he's mocking it by being "Look, I'm a kid, I can create money out of thin air too and scam you. See how stupid it is?"
19:03	Namworld	or someone else paid a kid to do a short video, for the same reason mentioned above.
19:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088814 = 4.796 BTC [+]
19:04	mircea_popescu	that makes a low amt of sense number
19:10	jurov	mircea_popescu: coinbr referral code is fully optional, and i scoop the fees by default, so i don't need one myself :D
19:10	jurov	it's up to the users to lurk here or publish reflinks if they want referrals
19:11	Namworld	Well I'm out for the weekend.
19:12	jurov	bye Nam
19:17	mod6	<+davout> pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent << actually, you can avoid having to kill gpg-agent by not starting it up at all. just comment out `use-agent` in gpg.conf
19:17	mod6	iirc
19:17	pankkake	killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal
19:18	mod6	yep: halt-user-process
19:18	pankkake	and well, GPG agent is damn useful when you batch sign a lot of things
19:18	pankkake	it's often used to tell daemons to reload their config
19:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
19:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26721 @ 0.00088662 = 23.6914 BTC [-] {3}
19:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
19:29	mod6	I don't know why I keep forgetting that it's Hang-Up Process not Halt-User-Process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGHUP#SIGHUP
19:30	mod6	duuuur
19:31	jurov	"director of engineering" ..maybe it was the official title for ultimate phone hotline sink for unruly customers?
19:36	benkay	derprectum of engineering
19:38	artifexd	jurov: Can you answer a question about deposits into coinbr?
19:39	davout	pankkake: "killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal" <<< the HUP signal, so?
19:40	davout	mod6: nah, it's actually HANGUP
19:41	bounce	"SIGHUP [...] terminal line hangup"
19:41	davout	mod6: also i like my gpg-agent running, otherwise i woukdn't, you know, run it :D
19:43	davout	killall -HUP davout
19:45	mod6	<.<
19:47	jurov	artifexd yes?
19:49	artifexd	The amount I deposited doesn't match the amount I was credited. I originally thought the missing amount was the monthly fee because it was on 1 May.
19:49	artifexd	But the management fee came out 3 days later.
19:50	artifexd	So, is there a policy about rounding deposits?
19:50	benkay	jurov: scamm0r!
19:50	jurov	no that must have been a mistake
19:51	jurov	which tx was it?
19:51	artifexd	The order # in coinbr is 3985
19:52	artifexd	The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b
19:53	artifexd	It isn't enough for me to be upset about. But I was curious.
19:54	jurov	thanks for report, looking...
20:03	tim-tams	Hey guys, I'm run a Bitcoin website and weekly podcast and we're looking for a sponsor, pm me for more details if you're at all interested
20:08	mike_c	jurov is accurate to 18 decimal places :)
20:12	jurov	lol
20:12	jurov	artifexd: the rest credited
20:14	artifexd	jurov: You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you.
20:15	jurov	that's why it is good to show full records..
20:16	jurov	for example on mpex, such thing is much harder to notice that because it's beyond mircea to mention in STAT or else that "deposit of X was credited"
20:16	jurov	only balance suddelny changes
20:20	benkay	!up fanquake
20:20	assbot	Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.
20:26	BCB	Brock Pierce for President
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0349998 = 0.175 BTC [+]
20:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]
20:30	mircea_popescu	wait so what did i do wrong ?
20:34	jurov	question for me? that's not related to artifexd
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03172 = 0.1586 BTC [+]
20:35	jurov	i'm just venting that balances on mpex can change at any time without any record shown in STAT
20:35	jurov	in case of deposits and pushes
20:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
20:42	jurov	'night!
20:43	mike_c	gnite
20:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
20:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07326871 = 1.4654 BTC [-] {7}
20:53	TheNewDeal	tim-tams i told you I would sponsor 5$ worth for a middle finger dedicated to the COO of butterfly labs
20:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3626 @ 0.00088241 = 3.1996 BTC [-]
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
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21:34	benkay	jurov: you around?
21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07205306 = 4.3232 BTC [-] {13}
21:37	benkay	;;lasers
21:37	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
21:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [-]
21:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.07121217 = 5.697 BTC [-] {8}
21:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 34 @ 0.041 = 1.394 BTC [-]
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22:07	BingoBoingo	;;kitten lasers
22:07	gribble	Error: "kitten" is not a valid command.
22:07	BingoBoingo	;;kittenlasers
22:07	gribble	Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
22:07	BingoBoingo	;;laserkitten
22:07	gribble	Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.
22:08	BingoBoingo	.bait
22:08	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/e7f8897f95417aeee08e55703ac9183d/tumblr_mpn17nfBUJ1sq44lfo1_1280.jpg
22:11	mircea_popescu	o hey.
22:11	mircea_popescu	like the best bait to date
22:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00088167 = 13.4896 BTC [-]
22:16	mircea_popescu	"Turning over a new leaf: Italian prisoners will get their sentences reduced by three days for every book they read while in jail"
22:16	mircea_popescu	dude, book me already. i have > 500 books i never had the time to read.
22:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.46247108 = 3.6998 BTC [-] {3}
22:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]
22:20	BingoBoingo	Damn. That actually sounds like a good idea for retreat.
22:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00088159 = 28.5194 BTC [-] {2}
22:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03172 = 0.4758 BTC [+]
22:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]
22:27	BingoBoingo	http://www2.illinois.gov/idoc/facilities/Pages/tammsworkcamp.aspx
22:27	ozbot	Facilities & Visitation
22:28	BingoBoingo	^ Candidate for a place to open a reading retreat
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03172 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
22:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
22:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}
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23:02	dignork	!up omantianefultans
23:02	assbot	Voicing omantianefultans for 30 minutes.
23:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03116049 = 0.3116 BTC [-] {4}
23:03	nubbins`	!up sdfasdfasdf
23:03	assbot	Voicing sdfasdfasdf for 30 minutes.
23:04	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: only 500!?!?
23:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03109338 = 0.1555 BTC [-] {4}
23:05	nubbins`	!up omantianefultans
23:05	assbot	Voice for omantianefultans extended to 30 minutes.
23:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03105789 = 0.1553 BTC [-]
23:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
23:09	nubbins`	so here's what we've been working on the past couple weeks
23:09	nubbins`	https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.876287569063860.1073741827.307815925911030&type=1&l=96b7490ddb
23:09	nubbins`	sorry for the FB album, but it is what it is
23:09	nubbins`	no account required or anything
23:15	decimation	asciilifeform: [apple] also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation << this is very true
23:16	decimation	I heard a theory about this once. In the 90's, most business middle-managment went from being innocent of computers to suddenly owning a winblows box
23:16	nubbins`	hi omantianefultans
23:17	omantianefultans	Hi nubbins` ... Nice job with your FB project/albumn.
23:17	nubbins`	thanks
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
23:17	decimation	Computing was taken from the hands of the engineers who actually computed with computers, and suddenly became the realm of MS crapware. The whining of the enigneers was ignored, generally.
23:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0008839 = 10.43 BTC [+]
23:18	decimation	Of course, the custom unix makers were also "unable to compete" with Intel cpus, due to the fact that they were fat and bloated from dumb money from gov't and big business
23:19	omantianefultans	nubbins`: You should make your whale picture with graffiti. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9527936
23:19	asciilifeform	decimation: sun et al died of linux
23:19	asciilifeform	which explains why they died when they did
23:19	decimation	they could have "embraced and extended" linux
23:20	decimation	Sun dipped its toe in that water for awhile, but it was a day late and a dollar short
23:20	asciilifeform	that would've been antithetical to the doctrine of 'we own the precious commercial rights to at&t unix, we must use them'
23:21	decimation	yeah. I linked to this talk awhile back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc Apparenlty Sun literally spent years trying to "legally" offer some kind of open source license
23:22	decimation	it wasn't that they were against doing so, it was just that they had 30 years of legal baggage and copyright to worry about
23:22	asciilifeform	decimation: the real crying shame is that the sun & alpha laptops made by tadpole inc. and others never took off
23:22	asciilifeform	laptop is the one place where os and hardware really must be build under one roof
23:22	decimation	yeah that's a good point
23:23	asciilifeform	(that, or properly documented chips, which remain an opium dream)
23:23	asciilifeform	today, apple stands entirely alone there.
23:24	decimation	what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. They saw the writing on the wall w.r.t. Asian manufacturing, and pushed for things like VHDL and whatnot to try to keep industry here, which succeeded to some degree
23:25	decimation	these days you get the feeling that there's nobody home at the levels of gov't that could "do something" about the complete transfer of the electronics industry to china et. al.
23:25	asciilifeform	decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231&cpage=1#comment-1782
23:27	decimation	yeah this is pretty much the case. From what I can tell, most real engineering work is either done on old windows boxes (for engineering crapware) and Macbooks
23:27	asciilifeform	i generally think of using a laptop as something to be avoided, if possible.
23:28	asciilifeform	partly because apple machine is a serious headache
23:28	asciilifeform	(can you install 'ratpoison' under apple's os? nope)
23:28	asciilifeform	but at least apple's laptop... works.
23:28	decimation	no headache. just keep paying $2k per year for the latest widget and you are supported
23:28	decimation	God forbid you want to open it up to do anything
23:29	asciilifeform	actually the portables circa '08 and up open easily
23:29	asciilifeform	vs. the 'tin can' designs from before
23:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22513 @ 0.00088405 = 19.9026 BTC [+]
23:29	asciilifeform	(where you had to use a 'spudger' and remove layer upon layer just to access the disk)
23:30	decimation	yeah that's true, I have a couple 08-09 laptops. I find they eat spinning platter hard drives for some reason
23:30	asciilifeform	decimation: can't bring myself to tolerate a spinning drive in any laptop whatsoever
23:30	decimation	yeah it's playing with fire. I wish someone would pick this up and make it a real product: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
23:30	asciilifeform	i rip them out and replace with cheap ssd (yeah they won't last a decade, but a laptop should be considered expendable anyway)
23:32	decimation	there's a business opportunity for some up-and-coming Chinese vendor to make inroads in the US market: make a repairable Unix "workstation" laptop
23:32	decimation	if you can sell for less than a macbook I think there is a market there
23:32	asciilifeform	decimation: no headache. just keep paying << i find apple's os just an uncommonly clunky way to run x11 & friends
23:33	decimation	ugg and in Mavericks they ditched X11 - you have to download some open source "Xquartz" project to make it work
23:33	decimation	every point release of OSX: less support for people who want to do something (apple is forever killing hypercard)
23:33	asciilifeform	lucky none of my apple boxes have this turd installed.
23:33	asciilifeform	the forced mouse use is an especially cruel torment on a portable.
23:35	asciilifeform	decimation: phun phact. it is traditionally illegal in the u.s. to sell a laptop with 100% documented chips.
23:35	asciilifeform	how? wireless card / fcc regs
23:35	decimation	heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs
23:36	asciilifeform	therefore the idea is a non-starter, at least if built directly for american market
23:36	asciilifeform	(does eu have similar laws?)
23:36	decimation	in the future apple will sell the iGenuflect - you kneel prostrate in front of your laptop in memory of Steve, and it will grant you 1 hour of programming time
23:37	decimation	you could in theory lockdown the stuff that needs to be locked down in pure hardware
23:37	decimation	but that would require immense engineering time
23:38	asciilifeform	decimation: igenuflect - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMiRFJzIKA
23:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well 500 is like 7 years wtf.
23:39	mircea_popescu	whgat am i in for, murder ?
23:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the books. my backlog contains junk like 'intro to Lie algebras,' etc
23:42	decimation	http://thehill.com/policy/technology/202170-fcc-votes-to-boost-wi-fi
23:42	ozbot	FCC votes to boost Wi-Fi | TheHill
23:43	decimation	?This will make it easier for all of us to consume a wide range of content on our mobile devices, most notably high definition video without frustrating lags or delays,? Cisco Director of Government Affairs Mary Brown wrote.
23:43	mircea_popescu	<decimation> what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. << this is very true. perhaps the last govt push for sanity in any field.
23:43	asciilifeform	re: wireless card firmware - i suspect that when someone bothers to audit the blobs - with an eye to searching for creepy crawlies, rather than the customary functionality reverse-eng. - plenty will turn up.
23:44	asciilifeform	re: DoD standards, vdhl - at one point, vendors were required to provide full design - and - guarantee production to a certain date, far in the future
23:44	asciilifeform	as a condition of major contracts
23:45	mircea_popescu	back when.
23:45	asciilifeform	early '80s.
23:45	asciilifeform	somehow this faded away.
23:46	asciilifeform	to no one's great surprise.
23:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
23:48	decimation	well, I think the best explanation is that the defense companies realized they could tell gov't employees what to do (via congress) rather than otherwise
23:48	asciilifeform	some time soon after, they realized that they can also dispense with the need to ship products that work
23:48	asciilifeform	and after that, with the very idea of shipping anything
23:48	asciilifeform	(see the ill-fated airplane, etc.)
23:49	decimation	congress was all about it, because they could hang all kinds of other "social good" on the procurement process
23:49	mircea_popescu	no i mean, yes, but that was way back when it still worked sort-of
23:49	asciilifeform	if you notice that the pay keeps coming regardless - why work.
23:49	decimation	who cares if your widget works (and is a good price) when you can employ a homeless black man with a Job
23:50	mircea_popescu	so in the end, this great experiment where congress is in the business of pork, the administration is into masturbation and the country is run by laws not men
23:50	mircea_popescu	kinda fails.
23:51	asciilifeform	most of the widgets that actually sail, fly, explode, presently in the field - are '80s designs at the core - at the very latest.
23:51	asciilifeform	(the famous 'u2' airplane - still flies. etc)
23:51	decimation	yep. note how "late" the f35 is
23:53	asciilifeform	tales abound, of janitors pulling on a mess of cable to reveal 'pdp-8' drywalled into a broom close oubliette, still running a radar set, etc.
23:53	asciilifeform	*closet
23:54	ThickAsThieves	what's the mpex rift shard?
23:54	decimation	the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage
23:54	asciilifeform	the familiar science fiction staple, of savages running across a cache of 'technology of the ancients' which still works, and going wild - that's reality.
23:55	ThickAsThieves	;;google trilema.com rift guild
23:55	gribble	Trilema, the Rift guild pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/trilema-the-rift-guild/>; Rift pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/rift>; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/>
23:56	decimation	ascii your blog has shown me how comp. language "advancement" is really just reinenting lisp and algol poorly
23:56	asciilifeform	decimation: and cpu archs re-implement pdp-11 poorly, and again and again...

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