#trilema | 2014-05-10

I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing

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several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better"

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5 years later no one has jumped

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decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage

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reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [-]

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What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken

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Linus would be nobility in another century

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linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972.

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except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds

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(disk, i/o, display controllers, etc)

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everyone's too busy to worry about that ascii

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and then you envy the folks with the 'pdp'

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it isn't even, as people like to think, a 'security' itch

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it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box

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ThickAsThieves phyrnius

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Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip

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and the "business model" of "we own the IP" is all any company in the US has left

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decimation> 5 years later no one has jumped << wait, the core devs of python, nobody gave a shit about them ?!

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i actually see a future for machines built of discrete (yes, 74xxx & friends) logic.

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perhaps the only future.

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'but they say i'm mad'

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yeah mircea, I think you can find a parallel in bitcoin :)

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perhaps after 'mad max', when a computer is no longer a cheap widget - but a _place_ - like the old church organs - people will give a fuck whether they work correctly

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if Guido Van Rossum can be ignored by everyone, how much easier would it be to ignore the bitcoin devs?

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and whether the machine can be understood

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decimation i'm just glad im not the only one aware of the damned thing.

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(because if it cannot be understood, it cannot be maintained)

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there is wisdom in this

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imagine if 'la serenissima', old venice, had... a computer. what part of what we put up with, would they tolerate.

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decimation btw, wasn't von rossum working with rice now ?

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mp it shows servers by country first

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asciilifeform they were actually sort-of trying to get the mechanical calculator going

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more like a watchmaking angle tho

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donno. la wik says he's polishing the dropbox turd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum

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ThickAsThieves pvp intl

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decimation that'd be it then.

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;;google rice dropbox

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Protests Continue Against Dropbox After Appointment of ... - Bits: <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/protests-continue-against-dropbox-after-appointing-condoleezza-rice-to-board/>; Dropbox Service: <https://dropbox.rice.edu/>; Dropbox users are angry that NSA-loving Condoleezza Rice has ...: <http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2014/04/dropbox-users-are-angry-nsa- (1 more message)

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lol!

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I thought they dropped her after the "controversy"

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sort-of

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as if it were controversial that some gov't bigwig were cashing out in industry

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anyway, tis all for me. later.

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the dropbox ceo stood his ground i think

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apparently you are only allowed to be on the board of a business if you are sufficiently socialist

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it was a university that disinvited her to speak

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ah well that explains things then

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why must they drag down yet another strong woman of color?

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because bush I guess

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princessnell ah come on, woman is dumb as rocks.

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it's not racist to mock justice thomas after all

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lol that was sarcasm

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;;google "nobody could have foreseen"

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New 9/11 Documents Expose the "Nobody Could Have Predicted ...: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/20/1101687/-New-9-11-Documents-Expose-the-Nobody-Could-Have-Predicted-President>; Cheney Defends The "Nobody Could've Predicted" President ...: <http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/cheney-defends-nobody-couldve-predicted-p>; Nobody Could Have Predicted...: (1 more message)

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oic.

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I wonder if a computer made of discrete chips would be more fault-tolerant against cosmic rays, etc

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I suspect that they still make them on big-old dies

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48285257 = 0.9657 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00088561 = 14.8782 BTC [+] {2}

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why can't I "!down" myself in a private query with assbot?

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!down decimation

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00088804 = 18.6932 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00088804 = 2.3089 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00088241 = 8.6917 BTC [-] {2}

~ 24 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00088541 = 26.2081 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00430871 = 0.3188 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00088235 = 20.9558 BTC [-] {2}

~ 37 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16472 @ 0.00088559 = 14.5874 BTC [+]

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artifexd

;;later tell mod6 It looks like pitythepool has the current network hashrate in their json stats. I don't know the source or how it is calculated, but it may be easier for you to grab it from there than calculate it. Less accurate, but easier.

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The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53435 @ 0.00088346 = 47.2077 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15407 @ 0.000881 = 13.5736 BTC [-] {2}

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"Ken what is your 3 month plan for this company? How are you going to make us money with a static data centre and single figure miner sales?"

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"Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you."

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dat forward thinking

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44437 @ 0.00088837 = 39.4765 BTC [+] {5}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30163 @ 0.00088927 = 26.8231 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00088932 = 14.407 BTC [+] {2}

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*** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has kicked decimation off channel #bitcoin-assets: Bye. // happy now?

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jurov are you off for the weekend again?

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00088957 = 19.6702 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10838 @ 0.00088973 = 9.6429 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11313 @ 0.00088433 = 10.0044 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1529 @ 0.00088433 = 1.3521 BTC [-]

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;;later tell ThickAsThieves dat rap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FSla2-yV0 (original without the beat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7ITjpyed4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m46s )

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The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21488 @ 0.00088916 = 19.1063 BTC [+] {2}

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benkay no, what happens?

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a ic

~ 49 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.041 = 1.23 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07434992 = 0.7435 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00088524 = 14.1196 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8381 @ 0.0008849 = 7.4163 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

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bitcoinbourse -> "we are sure our system is very professional programmed"

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"It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure."

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the fat frenchman went to japan because of the engrish, maybe?

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]

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bounce: if you're referring to karpy i believe he fattened there

~ 15 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15770 @ 0.00088586 = 13.97 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14412 @ 0.00088754 = 12.7912 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0008849 = 11.8577 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29004 @ 0.00088377 = 25.6329 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07145281 = 3.5726 BTC [-] {12}

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.041 = 0.902 BTC [-] {2}

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;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/RXH4FOQ.jpg

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The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell benkay not sure if this relevant at all to what you guys are encountering wrt the 4096 bit entropy problem - https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64

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The operation succeeded.

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

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ew medium.com.

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]

06:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07256913 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {2}

~ 27 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00088379 = 19.1782 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00088253 = 15.8414 BTC [-] {2}

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"We’re so delighted to be able to offer a complimentary annual individual membership to the foundation for all registered attendees."

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Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all

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Uh oh

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Better fix your blog footer

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00088444 = 20.4792 BTC [+] {2}

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but but i think might need to opt-in first

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however they are having their annual meeting in Amsterdam too

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so might be a great way for me to ask questions

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their lawyer never responded to my email asking about their nonprofit status

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or relevant donation info

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chetty

ThickAsThieves, maybe publish them as open questions?

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.07103751 = 3.1257 BTC [-] {6}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00088298 = 21.633 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [-]

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so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088095 = 14.9762 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03107021 = 0.1554 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03103521 = 0.3104 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0310001 = 0.279 BTC [-]

07:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335572 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-]

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ThickAsThieves: so then publish open questions that you won't ask

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and corner them with the actual questions

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lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03107021 = 0.3107 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0043057 = 0.1981 BTC [-] {2}

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lol

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i like how they hint at being a nonprofit through the wording in their letters and bylaws

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03104216 = 0.1552 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-]

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but arent actually filed as one

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it could be pending i guess

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but it's a bit unethical to paint yourself as an np

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and solicit donations without noting their ability to be tax deductible

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speaking of gray-area ethics

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I had someone accuse OpenRigs of being unethical

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because we ship from South Africa

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but we have a .com and the default currency is USD

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which apparently implies you are in the US of A

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this would only be an issue if you do not quote shipping costs before purchase

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or est ship time

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which we do, they have to choose a shipping option during checkout (or when viewing their cart)

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and the shipping options have shipping timelines on each option

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well cry me a river

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my thoughts exactly

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088362 = 9.1896 BTC [+]

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fluffypony: "Ken what is your 3 month plan" << i wonder if that counts as mid term or long term.

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maybe you should ask them.

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LOL

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youknowimright.jpg

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memoriesssssss http://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0043054 = 0.4305 BTC [-]

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davout:

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"It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." <<< o you log, that has such marvels & many pleasure in it!

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!up skinnkavaj

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Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes.

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ThickAsThieves: Why did you leave ASICMINER?

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technically ditching the AM-PTs is what i did

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leaving the board was automatic once i no longer represented 5000 shares

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But why? Didn't they make a you some money with 5% management fee?

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lol

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go add up those fees over the lifetime

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http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << there it is skinnkavaj

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The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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he just wasted half a year of his life to make sure.

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ThickAsThieves: Do you no longer believe in a great future for Asicminer?

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I love to buy stocks when everyone is selling them

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i do not believe in AM

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and consider it vastly overvalued

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ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all <<< ahahaha epic

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skinnkavaj do you have your portofolio published somewhere ? so we can all lol ?

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what's this "buy stocks when everyone is selling them" strat netted you so far ?

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blood in the steets is blood on your hands

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streets*

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ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? << once you sent the q's privately, they can already do that.

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0065379 = 0.1177 BTC [+]

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i didnt

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those were other Q's

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but yeah

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fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style << yeah, but then they'll be "offended" and not answer anyway

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mircea_popescu: Read your link, ok so they made some mistakes with exchanges.. But I couldn't care less about that, what matters is that friedcat seems to be a really good asic engineer

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skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit that perhaps you did not actually read the link.

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here's how i see it

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(this is no investment advice)

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FC and the crew made millions on millions last year

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notwithstanding that afaik friedcat was in no sense an engineer, just a pr for a team, and also afaik she said so mul;tiple times.

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then had to deal with pissant forum investors

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which got old

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so they probably began segmenting their business out of that situation

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which menifested in things like

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no Gen2

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Rockminer

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ThickAsThieves: it could be pending i guess << wait, pending for two years ? heh.

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no communciation

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etc

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pending for 1 year is normal i'm told

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ahahaha MENIfested.rosenFELT

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ThickAsThieves but we're approaching three.

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indeed

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that is not normal.

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no it isnt

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they probably werent granted shit

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and now wanna pretend

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moving your virtual office from us to uk to avoid the impending doom is also not NORMAL

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ThickAsThieves: According to latest questions it seems that they are on track on delivering 102 petahash to the network in 3 months

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on track by what measure?

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words and dreams?

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I don't see why they couldn't make better chips than before

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ahgahaha. o you don't see do you ?

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ho can you not learn by now

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;;bcstats

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08:31

hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ?

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im thinking of opening a vlog and i think that'd be a great first episode.

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mircea_popescu: Please just be quite

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!down skinnkavaj

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works for me.

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be quite what?

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i think it's british english.

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skinnkavaj if you want voice again you'll need to register with gribble, wot, assbot and get a rep

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!up skinnkavaj

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Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes.

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do you get the idea or do you need a 2nd dunking ?

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I want to hear what ThickAsThieves has to say

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http://i.imgur.com/o8z44h9.jpg

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Why do you not think the could manage to produce a 3gen chip

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They clearly have the competence

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yes well, the point being that we sometimes get what we want, and sometimes don't get what we want.

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and you're mostly in the 2nd class.

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Its just a matter of time

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it's not that i dont think they "might" make gen3 or whatever

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fluffypony you didn't just draw that up

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mircea_popescu: I did

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it's that i dont see how owning stock would be worth it even if they did

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wow.

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do you even job fluffypony ?

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http://memegenerator.net/Gentleman

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gentleman | Meme Generator

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it's a saturday

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ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be successfull?

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math

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ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be worth it?

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economy

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If they once again produce the best chips on the market

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It will be worth it

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isnt this batch already barely on par with the market?

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If they successfully manage to keep their promises now

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do you realize how long it's been since AM actually released something new?

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Delivering 102 petahash over the next 3 months

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more's the point, if they doi produce the best batch on the market again, why would they want to split the proceeds with you ?

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I think they have a good chance of 20% of the network

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what could you possibly offer them that'd make them care.

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they wont split proceeds

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thats why Rockminer exists

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and why Gen2 probly existed

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so is this a purely academic discussion then ?

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so they operate ASICMINER as a zero-sum game

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all the board cares about is their own franchises, which are all going into the red right about now

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barely profitable, if at all

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and Rockminer makes the money

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ThickAsThieves: "all the board cares about is their own franchises" Like what franchises?

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so you are crossing your fingers that some mystery men in china give a fuck about shareholders

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ThickAsThieves: They did before?

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they measured how much fuck they should give with the Rockminer IPO

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnRTjF8CYAAxpnM.jpg asciilifeform check out that truck! best looking truck i've seen.

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Why would you assume friedcat is dishonest now?

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Suddenly

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ThickAsThieves: Do you think Rockminer is a better investment if so?

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well dishonesty is a different demon in china

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you measure it differently

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and whats so sudden

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AM hasnt made new shit for like a year

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i am coming to this theory that there are two types of people in the world : the ones whose brain is a train engine, and the ones whose brain is a combustion engine. the former can be readily ideintified by the fact that their mental processes move on tracks, no matter the engine's horsepower.

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the latter can probably be identified by how they keep crashing into poles.

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their farm maxed at like 25TH or some shit

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They told that Rockminer would have to buy chips from Asicminer at the same price as everyone else

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...

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So far I fail to see why Asicminer suddenly has become corrupt/dishonest

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so there's still hope for my vlog then

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skinnkavaj

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pretend Rockminer IS Asicminer

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and ask how Asicminer might profit

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then

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"Leading toilet maker Toto refers to itself as the Apple of toilet tech." mwahaha

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They sell chips?

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pretend you arent pretending

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They could have split up

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Asicminer produces only chips

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Rockminer produces something else

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Is my understanding

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I may be wrong

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you may

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.041 = 0.574 BTC [-]

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ThickAsThieves: So in that case, do you think Rockminer is a better investment than Asicminer? yes/no?

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fucking hell man

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;;8ball

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The answer is a resounding no.

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there.

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lol

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Yes/no?

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I dont follow you..

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00088311 = 18.4128 BTC [-] {2}

08:43

skinnkavaj: read what gribble said

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"[14:43:24] +gribble: The answer is a resounding no."

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Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/3D6JHN5.txt)

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!b 12

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fluffypony he doesn't see why gribble should have said that.

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he further does not see why what gribble says should be controlling.

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I have ignored Gribble

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[08:21] <skinnkavaj> I hate to use Gribble

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But ok

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So both are shit

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ASicminer and rockminer

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he has this "i do not see" device from socialist training in what passes for education these days, and he knows he's supposed to apply it selectively,

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In your opinion

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which is why i don't get my fuck-obama-daughters-vlog.

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sux.

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skinnkavaj: gribble's magic 8ball says both are shit

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skinnkavaj: you can also use this for investment advice: http://www.ask8ball.net

08:45

;;rated gribble

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You have not yet rated user gribble

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;;rate gribble 1 possibly the best fake-BTC-stock analyst out there.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gribble has been recorded.

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http://i.imgur.com/7HVDhQk.jpg

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anyway, i guess the one true gain from this discussion is a lesson as to how downing people may be bad for debate and the marketplace of ideas.

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Yes trolling and downing people is really boring

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in small enough qty, filth is actually helpful for the healthy body

08:48

lol ThickAsThieves

08:48

Would really like to have more dicussions

08:48

About the companies

08:48

Thats why I am in this channel

08:48

skinnkavaj: discussion is fine

08:48

asking someone for their opinion on a specific issue is fine

08:48

but yes/no investment advice is nonsensical

08:48

ThickAsThieves what's the 8ball say about when will the last noob try badgering you about nonsense ?

08:49

oh asciilifeform will like this: http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/09/westerners-guide-to-japanese-toilets/

08:49

skinnkavaj no, because you eschew the actual discussion in favour of ridoinkulous formalisms.

08:50

ThickAsThieves: Do you have more information from ASicminer board meetings or are you not allowed of copy pasting that?

08:50

skinnkavaj, if you just lurk here for a few mos, you'll be miles ahead of the forum

08:50

you dont even need to talk

08:50

"Gabbie Brown @Gabbiebrown · 5h Wishing that everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my life." << check it out, i'm following the only unique snowflake of brilliant potence on twitter. nyah.

08:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07258988 = 0.7259 BTC [+]

08:51

there's nothing much worth sharing from the board meetings

08:51

mircea_popescu: who needs chance and careful planning when you can just wish that everything would fall into place

08:51

ThickAsThieves: I think mircea_popescu is just spamming here with trolls and insults to everyone trying to have a good discussion. Please stop.. I really liked this channel before

08:51

!down skinnkavaj

08:51

i guess so.

08:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0725899 = 3.6295 BTC [+]

08:51

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 43 @ 0.041 = 1.763 BTC [-]

08:52

this channel was so much better before you got here mp

08:52

fluffypony the problem is fucking deeper than that. see, the brain is not made to work, it's made to adapt.

08:52

these are very different, even if cyberneticists keep wanting to represent the brain as a computor.

08:52

these days most of the brains input for the lower classes is fiction, ie, entertainment.

08:52

in fiction, there's a scenario and a director, and they conspire to alter reality a certain way.

08:53

this "happiness horizon" when "everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my lyf" is a very old very common fiction trope

08:53

it happens to heroines mostly, once they take the cock, usually.

08:53

so... the lower class brain is now... adapted to this counterfactual reality.

08:53

50%+1 of the population would do fine in "life", if only life was... the story of rapunzel.

08:54

yeah

08:54

~ done spamming with trolls ~

08:54

ThickAsThieves ikr

08:54

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/255a6o/bitcoin_foundation_adds_alleged_child_molester_to/

08:54

not you ?!

08:54

the ruthlessness of idits

08:54

idiots

08:55

let's allegedly lynch people!

08:56

ruthlessly idiotic. that's a new one.

08:56

wow fun

08:56

anyone know this pete earle fellow ?

08:59

!up s1gea

08:59

Voicing s1gea for 30 minutes.

08:59

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPc9OMCcAAgAbq.jpg << check out how happy hitchcock is

08:59

s1gea

Thank you.

09:00

yw. who might you be ?

09:00

ThickAsThieves btw, were you looking for this graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPU927CQAENJQ5.png ?

09:08

somewhat interesting

09:10

but this is better:

09:10

the total value of the global video game industry is projected to be $78.5 billion for 2012.

09:10

In 2012, the global movie production and distribution industry is projected to generate revenue of $126.8 billion

09:11

okok :)

09:11

!up CheckDavid

09:11

Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

09:11

:D

09:11

;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

09:11

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014

09:11

!up Shazam

09:11

Voicing Shazam for 30 minutes.

09:12

however, gaming industry in US is actually declining

09:13

down like 10% I think it said

09:13

So apple generates more revenue than books?

09:13

That's mindboggling

09:15

“Grand Theft Auto V not only hit $1 billion in sales faster than the fastest-grossing videogame, it beat the three biggest film launches of all time by 16 days.”

09:15

Rift won't let me join EU servers

09:16

checkout archeage, it's looking good

09:16

i was watching the videos

09:16

it's sorta like Civilizations as an mmporg?

09:17

never played civ so can't say

09:17

like Sims as an mmporg?

09:17

never played that either

09:18

it's pitched as a sandboxy type mmo

09:18

CheckDavid apple is more convenient.

09:18

it's not as carebear as most mmos have become

09:18

ThickAsThieves ew what ? phyneous is intl not eu ?

09:19

mircea_popescu: than books? People buy books with apples,

09:19

those obviously don't count as books.

09:20

ThickAsThieves and srsly push fdor it cause the guild is huge and i could defo need some help with organising shit

09:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.0008806 = 12.1963 BTC [-]

09:21

Ebooks are not books?

09:22

while the philosophy involved may be arguable, i'm pretty sure that sales of books via ipads and whatnot are counted as ipad revenue, not "books" revenue

09:25

from a concerned reader : "say you been to bitcoincharts lately? i'm concerned about a certificate warning that pops up, disappears, pops up again, no matter what is clicked, and which stops if javascript is disabled."

09:25

anyone got anything ?

09:25

checking

09:25

normal bitcoincharts (http) works

09:26

obv. no warnings

09:26

and https redirects to http

09:26

oh I lie, https works

09:26

linked js is on https

09:27

linked CSS is on https

09:27

so I'd hazard that the issue is localised to them

09:27

ah ok ty

09:28

fluffypony apparently you're awesome!

09:29

lol

09:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7767 @ 0.0008806 = 6.8396 BTC [-]

09:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14183 @ 0.00087943 = 12.473 BTC [-]

09:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.004302 = 0.1721 BTC [-]

09:52

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 110 @ 0.041 = 4.51 BTC [-]

10:02

>what the f*ck, there is no cog share on HL now ,where is my share??

10:05

you had a share ?

10:05

well, if you liked your share you can keep your share.

10:06

even better:

10:06

>Ukyo can you explain why you havent payed any dividend at all after the closure of Bitfunder ? Are you using the coins to turn them into more, like turning 1 btc into 1.1 btc every month or something ?

10:06

>>That would be great. I hope Ukyo disclose more info in the portal. I remember that Ukyo mentioned there's a new business would be kickstarted this month?

10:08

lol

10:08

i guess ukyo cant comment, he is out of tcp packets.

10:10

!up Diablo-D3

10:10

Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.

10:10

thx

10:10

is ukyo really around anymore?

10:10

I thought he perm-ragequit after I told him to fuck off

10:10

;;seen ukyo

10:10

ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping

10:10

kakobrekla see, they know they really shouldn't have that coin. so they hope that whoever took it from them is giving it a nice home

10:10

*

Diablo-D3 is glad he quit the bitcoin fake company ipo drama storm shit

10:10

Diablo-D3 i thought clinton perm-ragequit after you told him to fuck off.

10:11

this is a different guy.

10:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07055009 = 0.7055 BTC [-] {3}

10:11

mircea_popescu: maybe Im thinking of someone else

10:11

which one is the japanese princess moron?

10:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00088112 = 7.6217 BTC [+]

10:12

Diablo-D3 usagi?

10:12

right, him

10:12

whos ukyo again?

10:12

yeah diff guy.

10:12

buttfucker founder

10:12

hrm

10:12

I feel like I told him to fuck off too

10:12

but cant remember if I did

10:13

*

Diablo-D3 should keep a list

10:13

that very special moment when you decrypt an email, see -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

10:13

then -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

10:13

O_o

10:13

then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----

10:13

then you're O.O

10:13

oops

10:13

Lol

10:13

mircea_popescu: NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

10:13

how does that even happen

10:14

loll!!!!

10:15

someone must've played a joke.

10:15

i guess someone was being thorough ?

10:16

random_cat

i would like to declare that Ukyo owes me 100 USD (as a lower bound)

10:16

so recorded.

10:17

Ob"Why Johnny Can't Encrypt"

10:17

I would like to declare that I am leaving to go drink and shall return inebriated at a later time. Or tomorrow if not.

10:18

pix or it didn't hoppen.

10:18

I'll be sure to take pikshas

10:18

piksha da shiksa

10:19

every time I look at sun hardware it strikes me that oracle hates their customers. so. much.

10:19

this is actually a pretty great name for a jewish hip hop band

10:19

o_O?

10:19

lmao

10:19

Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2YCX3NW.txt)

10:19

!b 5

10:19

random_cat

once upon a time, sun was great

10:20

meh too short

10:21

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=122 << lawl

10:21

#bitcoin-assets bash

10:23

random_cat

webuser@bitcoin-assets.com:~$

10:29

peterl

jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? is it added up monthly or shown every time a commission is earned?

10:30

peterl your balance proibably just increases unsexpectedly

10:31

artifexd

Lol

10:33

mircea_popescu: "then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----" <<< pastie or it didn't happen

10:35

http://pastebin.com/9nwtB3k8

10:35

RpghRO7FPqGx6uQ0sr/MDz6plEY/QPl+eXPnIhDCCyiUOcoZlhZMb2te93Y9o0e9 bctaTOxz5/azX5 - Pastebin.com

10:35

hopefully the x's anonymize enough.

10:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00088094 = 7.6642 BTC [-] {2}

10:36

lol, at least we know it's a macfag who doesn't brew :D

10:42

>v2.0.22 (Darwin)

10:43

this explains it

10:43

how ?

10:43

;;google darwins award

10:43

Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens decline; Neo Sapiens rise! February ...: <http://www.darwinawards.com/>; Darwin Awards: Darwin Awards: <http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/>; Darwin Awards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards>

10:44

lol

10:44

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]

10:45

is scrypt the new cog like neobeeq was the new hiv

10:45

or him or what was it ?

10:46

>We, are a Team from six countries ( Germany, Portugal, Russia, Turkey, Switzerland, and Great Britain ) and focused to meet your standard of requirements as experienced and serious Bitcoin-Insiders, and would highly appreciate your feedback, proposal and critics to our site and services for an ensured continuous improvement process!

10:46

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=599410.0

10:46

zyado.com - bitcoin exchange

10:49

this is trollage right ?

10:49

no

10:50

peterl

sadly no

10:51

sounds just like the earlier prosthetic limbs ipos

11:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00088367 = 19.8384 BTC [+] {3}

11:01

!up Anon29486307

11:01

Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20667 @ 0.00088041 = 18.1954 BTC [-] {2}

11:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8633 @ 0.00087927 = 7.5907 BTC [-]

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

11:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07258878 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {2}

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

11:37

hurr, thanks fluffypony

11:40

<mircea_popescu> skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit // well that's a first

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00085021 = 0.4251 BTC [+] {3}

11:44

benkay notice that the overall effect was exactly the same.

11:44

the lower class CLAIMS my arrogance is the problem. but this is merely what they imagine would make a convincing scapegoat.

11:46

kinda why poor people are so universally despised : they say that which they figure may best serve.

11:46

whatever it may be, irrespective. words are but words.

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00635993 = 0.318 BTC [-] {5}

11:49

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 97 @ 0.00120744 = 0.1171 BTC [-] {2}

11:49

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.00610981 = 0.2261 BTC [-]

11:50

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 138 @ 0.00601181 = 0.8296 BTC [-] {7}

11:54

re foundation: <Kelticfox> http://web.archive.org/web/20020813195335/http://www.nypost.com/technology/49923.htm

11:57

Kelticfox> interesting... the person trying to buy Gox (and just added to the Foundation) is a convicted child molester

11:57

<Kelticfox> The Foundation really doesnt give a fuck about BTC does it?

11:57

guys begin to realize what is the foundation about

11:58

lol

11:58

sure it gives a fuck about btc. just, not yours.

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72386476 BTC to 8`667 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [+]

12:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07258878 = 1.5244 BTC [+] {2}

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 56 @ 0.0335 = 1.876 BTC [-] {2}

12:19

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.00120273 = 0.2405 BTC [+] {3}

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07258878 = 6.4604 BTC [+]

12:23

Apocalyptic: doesn't appear he was convicted

12:23

pigeons is it more like a character assasination job ?

12:24

he may be guilty, i don't know, does seem fishy, but it doesn't appear he was convicted

12:25

then Kelticfox is wrong

12:25

yeah thats what i was trying to correct

12:26

apparently there was some sort of recording that got an indictment, and "too many little boys for everything to be right", but not enough evidence to move forward after that

12:27

so small amount of little boys is ok?

12:27

seems so

12:28

cool, nefario is safe

12:28

re that accusation

12:29

<Cusipzzz> sounds like roger ver, fits right in

12:29

no insinuation, but i hear bruce wagner may run

12:29

is Ver notorious for doing that nao ?

12:30

don't think so

12:30

just explosives in the mail

12:30

right

12:30

firecrackers

12:31

whats this about gox to reopen in pattaya with new ownership?

12:32

no idea, I got a link to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590970.0

12:34

pattaya?

12:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00088301 = 3.2671 BTC [+]

12:36

"There is a convergence between WeHo pedos; some might recall the 1998 web series Chad's World which was essentially a bunch of 30-something pedos creating a project to lure boys to Hollywood with promises of becoming stars in exchange for "work" they would do while living with various members of this group of 30-something pedos. "

12:36

wait, wut ?

12:38

Digital Entertainment Network happens to be the bankrupt venture of the brock pierce guy who is the purported owner that was going to buy the techno music brand some kid was pitching earlier in chan

12:38

what was his name

12:38

Drew something

12:38

right.

12:39

"Subsequently, civil lawsuits from boys employed by DEN alleged sexual abuse and coercion using drugs and guns by Collins-Rector, co-founder Chad Shackley, and DEN Executive VP Brock Pierce."

12:39

"DEN alumni created other Internet sites including suicide girls"

12:40

suicide girls was run pretty much like a scientology work camp afaik

12:42

http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html seems to be the better source actually.

12:42

Gold-farming empire linked to dot-com child abuse scandal - Boing Boing

12:43

Apocalyptic lol i gotta love phins' footwork. ask him to come over will you ?

12:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0314999 = 0.315 BTC [+]

12:44

so basically collins-rector has a harem too, except of [ex]little boys, among which brock pierce, whom he keeps pushing into bitcoin nonsense.

12:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00088176 = 19.4869 BTC [-] {2}

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]

13:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00088252 = 13.1054 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

13:19

!jd mpif

13:19

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.11326127 BTC; +0.10451369 BTC (+0.0637%) since last check 1d 8h 20m 51s ago.

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0043054 = 0.1507 BTC [+] {2}

13:30

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 39 @ 0.00299925 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2}

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 150 @ 0.07040268 = 10.5604 BTC [-] {11}

~ 17 minutes ~

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.041 = 3.567 BTC [-]

14:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00088252 = 4.4567 BTC [+]

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

14:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00088087 = 54.5259 BTC [-] {5}

14:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7517 @ 0.00087927 = 6.6095 BTC [-]

14:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12083 @ 0.00087876 = 10.6181 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

14:36

slovenian bitcoin atm

14:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHkef9oLxhw

14:36

Bitcoin ATM - YouTube

14:38

>Actually we are a partner company of BTC-O-MATIC and we handle orders, marketing and integrations for adriatic region.

14:38

kako, doesn't even require fingerprint scanning

14:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0330715 = 0.463 BTC [-] {2}

14:50

"Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera."

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14205 @ 0.00088249 = 12.5358 BTC [+]

14:51

nvm then

14:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7945 @ 0.00087876 = 6.9817 BTC [-]

14:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0718 = 0.1436 BTC [+]

14:55

pankkake

14:55

lol

14:55

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg6653829#msg6653829

14:55

BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today

14:56

so it looks like BitcoinBourse think that you've been paid to troll them

14:56

or something

14:56

his circuitous reasoning is very confusing

14:56

and yet I've only commented on a few of his offerings, only to provide a link to a scam accusation or something

14:57

the thread he links to is hilarious

14:57

where they try dox you

15:11

pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." <<< wonder what legal requirements they're referring to

15:12

it's normally AML/KYC stuff that causes problems for bitcoin<->cash machines

15:14

<peterl> jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? << it is added monthly, usually just after the monthly fee

15:15

khersonus: my point is that the legal requirements are imaginary since bitcoin is nowhere legally defined as money

15:15

and shown in the btc account history

15:15

in other words a bitcoin ATM is by no means different than any other vending machine

15:15

davout

15:15

s/by no means/in no way/

15:15

if it pays out in fiat the legal definition of Bitcoin is irrelevant, no?

15:16

the compliance is wrt the fiat being padi

15:16

*paid

15:16

fluffypony: nah, that's when you store fiat on behalf of third parties

15:17

AML would apply if you're providing a fiat dispensing machine

15:17

it's rife for money laundering

15:17

KYC not so much unless you're deposit-taking

15:17

when you buy and sell X, you buy and sell X, as long as X is not defined as a financial instrument, (or a precious metal in some countries) there is no reason for KYC/AML to apply

15:17

btc atm could be considered as otc trading no?

15:18

the fact that "it's ripe for ML" is in no way relevant, the machine is not "dispensing cash", it could be automatically buying apples from you

15:19

outside of the US, sure

15:19

but in the nanny state there's a whole bunch of FinCEN crap around this (eg. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/faq060305.html)

15:19

AML provisions *may* apply for some specific cases, such as scrap metal buying/selling in france for example

15:20

but that's usually very clearly laid out in the law

15:20

davout: you should setup a "Bitcoin ATM" and see what happens

15:20

that insist on AML being applied if you're providing a cash dispensing business, with specific exemptions for things like registered pawnbrokers

15:20

in the US they apply the "everything is bad, here are some exceptions" policy

15:20

imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run

15:20

khersonus: no i should absolutely not, because as far as I know european VAT applies on the full amount of sales unless stated otherwise

15:21

davout: oh gosh

15:21

kakobrekla: I agree

15:21

personally I think it's just a silly way of trying to promote adoption, it's more inconvenient to use than convenient

15:21

fluffypony: is bitcoin defined in the "precious Metals, Stones, or Jewels" category? i believe not

15:21

davout: that's why I said "eg"

15:21

it's an example of fincen crap

15:22

fluffypony: bear in mind that i'm not really competent when it comes to regulation in the US, my field of expertise is regulation in europe

15:22

*

fluffypony neither

15:22

either way, most of the Bitcoin ATM reviews I've read have been US-centric

15:23

fluffypony: the US has the advantage of not having VAT, that's why coinbase can work the way it does, and that bitcoin ATMs are actually safer to setup there than in europe

15:23

I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap

15:23

god help them

15:24

s/god/الله/

15:24

hah hah

15:25

virgins don't know 'bout my unicode

15:27

indeed, dude who owns bitcoin atm here got some official statement that VAT does not apply,

15:27

but my tax advisor threw quite a fit upon seeing that

15:27

<fluffypony> I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap // lol

15:28

>I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal.

15:28

if you want to visit Dubai, you have to apply for a visa where retinal scan is in order

15:28

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.0

15:28

mBTC Investment chance - Weekly Cashout

15:28

jurov: interdasting, did the guy tell you the govt actually, and voluntarily simply said "oh ok, we'll waive the tax for you" ?

15:28

(genuinely interested)

15:29

no, the statement he cited said that it is neither goods nor service, so the law does not apply

15:29

wait

15:30

Apocalyptic here: https://coinunity.sk/topic/561/novinky-z-financnej-spravy-a-mf-sr

15:30

thanks

15:30

jurov: wait until the tax administration realizes signing a transaction can perfectly be defined as a "service" :D

15:30

imo it is davout

15:30

yes, i think too someone somewhere will certainly hell bent to categorize it somewhere

15:31

selling bitcoins, in its essence, is simply multiplying some large numbers in exchange for fiat money

15:31

s/money/currency/

15:32

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2GP2N7X.txt)

15:32

!b 2

15:32

wat, don't bash me bro

15:32

:D

15:32

"Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný" heh

15:32

seems like they know a thing or two indeed

15:33

such wow

15:35

davout: multiplying some numbers, and broadcasting the tx to the network might be nice too

15:36

for those who missed feincoin, it's worth the five minutes of your time

15:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 280 @ 0.0043054 = 1.2055 BTC [+]

15:37

;;translate slovak english Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný

15:37

Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.

15:37

that's the kickstarter thing?

15:37

khersonus: if you really want to nitpick you should also add "and not quickly multiply more numbers and broadcast it in such a way that the first broadcast never gets confirmed" :D

15:37

nanotube ;;translate broked

15:37

davout: true :)

15:38

"Fein Sender is a part of our mobile app that allows one to display a barcode on your phones screen that anyone can scan using their phone’s camera."

15:38

wow

15:38

such technology

15:39

feincoin > altcoin

15:39

YOU CAN BUY PENCILS AND MORE

15:39

but can i buy helium balloons?

15:39

blasphemy davout !

15:39

"You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more."

15:39

PLZ RAKE MY YARD

15:39

WILL PAY IN FINE KOINZ

15:40

kakobrekla: The tax authority distinguishes between bitcoin and Bitcoin. Wow! I'm so proud of there bureaucrats

15:40

mircea_popescu can we ipo pencil selling buzzyiness?

15:40

kakobrekla: no, fuck you, i like S.LIMBS moar

15:41

davout the only stock you are ipoing is S.LAUGHING !

15:41

I'm so sad my S.LIMBS thread got deleted

15:41

forum mods suck

15:41

*

jurov as all for S.BUTTCO

15:41

i'm still fucking waiting for NAT.ROUTERS

15:41

or it's rather F.BUTTCO ?

15:42

sounds like some 80' computer company

15:44

kakobrekla: "sounds like some 80' computer company" <<< looks like we don't speak the same english

15:44

prolly

15:46

gotta love the "100% non illegal" thing

15:47

;;tslb

15:47

Time since last block: 10 minutes and 6 seconds

15:47

aw fuck

15:49

at least it doesn't return 10,000 minutes XD

15:49

:D

15:49

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

15:50

davout: from bitcoin-central TOS "The PLATFORM allows the CUSTOMER to submit TRADE ORDERS for the purchase or sale of Bitcoins" << probably a stupid question, but how does VAT not apply to that?

15:50

khersonus: it's not a stupid question

15:50

we're simply not counterparty to trades

15:50

khersonus, it does apply I think

15:50

on the fees

15:50

basically the way it works is that you have an account in BTC

15:50

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.041 = 0.574 BTC [-]

15:50

a EUR account in your name with our financial partner

15:51

you're mandating us, and pay us to simply shuffle money around these accounts

15:51

they are just providing the service, in exchange for the fee, so the VAT is levied on that

15:51

davout: so if I sell/buy on bitcoin-central, should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?

15:52

it's your money deposited in EUR, in your name, and you give us a mandate to move it around, the mandate is the trick

15:52

VAT applies on our fee, so on 0.59% charged there's a part that goes in the pocket of the motherland

15:52

I see

15:52

"should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?" <<< you're the first one to actually make this very good comment

15:53

the answer is "technically, probably yes, but that's not bitcoin-central's problem"

15:53

yes i'm supposed to pay VAT once my company oversteps 49k EUR/365 days

15:53

davout: interesting, thanks

15:53

usually its up to end user to handle that shit with local authorities

15:53

it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones

15:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088134 = 10.0032 BTC [+]

15:54

(only corporations are subject to VAT)

15:54

davout it *is* one

15:54

re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0

15:54

jurov, I believe it's the running year btw

15:54

yes, that's why i wrote 365 days

15:54

"za poslednych 12 mesiacov"

15:54

ok

15:54

khersonus: like jurov points out, in some specific corporation setups there are thresholds for applicability

15:55

i can avoid it only by supplying an evidence that whatever landed on company account were payments for services delivered to outside EU

15:55

we have the same kind of thing in france with the "auto-entrepreneur" setup, the way it works though, is that if you go over the threshold you lose the AE status and are required to create a different type of corp. which in practice results in the same thing as jurov

15:55

lol foundation self owned themselfs

15:55

jurov: yeah, that too

15:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4650001 BTC [+]

15:56

kakobrekla: link ?

15:56

well what HeySteve said and https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/

15:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00088407 = 12.2886 BTC [+] {3}

15:57

!up lolstate

15:57

Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.

15:57

!up Visitor

15:57

Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.

15:57

this brock guy is the last straw

15:57

they're not even trying any more

15:57

they now have a dedicated "post your resignation here" thread

15:57

kakobrekla: oh sorry, i missed that

15:58

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.041 = 4.1 BTC [-]

15:59

only 1 resignation thus far

15:59

but

15:59

two

15:59

someone has come out and said they'll go up to Platinum

15:59

yeah check the foundation forum

15:59

meh, caring about the children.

15:59

if the pedophile resigns

15:59

davout: so for your X.EUR future on mpex, if someone wanted EUR though b-c, should bitcoin-central be paying VAT on that? (because as far as I can tell, there's no fee, so the tax wouldn't come from the fee)

15:59

as if this guy was the real issue. and what about that booby lee fucker?

15:59

at least bobby lee isn't another american

15:59

needs more int'l and less crims

15:59

pankkake: I think this is the straw that is breaking the camel's back

16:00

fluffypony, for me it is. if I ever write on the foundation, I'll use those lovely scam labels

16:00

khersonus: BC is not directly involved in X.EUR, however, I do use it to systematically hedge all X.EUR trades, so the tax/fee link is only indirect

16:00

lol

16:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 97 @ 0.041 = 3.977 BTC [-]

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2774 @ 0.00012772 = 0.3543 BTC [-] {2}

16:02

"Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast"

16:02

anyway, Luke-Jr now has a buddy to talk to and exchange the various graphic materials in the foundation

16:02

so theres that.

16:03

pankkake: we call them slip-slops...but we call traffic lights "robots" so South African English isn't much to go on

16:03

Luke is into this child porn thing ?

16:03

kakobrekla just likes to slander

16:03

oic

16:04

fuck you you fuckin scamming noob !

16:04

dat kako

16:04

kakobrekla: pay him to troll, he's cheap!

16:04

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0 "As you know, both are champions of Litecoin"

16:05

and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway

16:07

pankkake so you care about scamdation now?

16:07

does it make a difference if you piss or shit in the sewage pankkake ?

16:08

same question meh.

16:08

I'm not sure what makes you think that

16:08

pankkake: "and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway" <<< lmao

16:08

for wife or ?

16:08

I don't think anyone cared for real, I only learned about who was on the board with the various scandals

16:09

we're just interested in your reasoning why

16:10

jurov pankkake is just trying to be provocative by being a pussy

16:10

exactly.

16:11

oh. anyway, both cases are still better that some fag hater

16:11

like that eichmann @ mozilla

16:11

lol

16:12

heh never understood that

16:12

what does the guy's opinion have to do with ability to run a business?

16:12

*

fluffypony hah hah, someone is trying to pull a scam of some sort - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=328152

16:12

lol

16:12

HeySteve: it boiled down to "we must show them"

16:13

fluffypony: lol

16:13

lol fluffypony

16:13

i would fell for 'thermos'

16:13

fluffypony: here you go, banned, if he wasn't already

16:13

kakobrekla: btw railzand mentioned to me that TF has cleaned up his forum sig and now has a BitBet affiliate link in his signature

16:13

dat ploy for legitimacy

16:14

nah, looks like he was banned already

16:14

lol wtf fluffypony

16:14

kakobrekla: maybe he's hoping to recover enough money to pay everyone back :-P

16:15

he should take advice from Ukyo

16:15

hah hah

16:15

fluffypony: if mircea_popescu was around he'd probably tell you it could actually be his best opportunity XD

16:15

Nefario, Ukyo, and TradeFortress walk into a bar

16:15

*

fluffypony starts writing a joke

16:15

0 btc come out.

16:15

hah hah

16:15

LOL

16:15

or

16:15

cant afford for a drink.

16:15

heh

16:15

pick one

16:15

hah hah

16:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07212034 = 0.3606 BTC [+]

16:26

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

16:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26647 @ 0.00088097 = 23.4752 BTC [-] {2}

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07212034 = 0.1442 BTC [+]

16:29

mircea_popescu:hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? <- sorry to disappoint: http://i.imgur.com/xIguvy2.jpg

16:31

I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters

16:32

haha

16:34

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-10/ukraine-scrambles-figher-jets-intercepts-airplane-carrying-russian-deputy-premier

16:34

Ukraine Scrambles Fighter Jets, Intercepts Airplane Carrying Russian Deputy Premier | Zero Hedge

16:36

fluffypony fuck

16:37

oh don't worry, mircea_popescu - follow up message: http://i.imgur.com/ZCb1fik.jpg

16:37

looks like it's all clear

16:38

does she even have daughters ?

16:38

nfi

16:38

two, I googlimaged it. one seems quite young

16:39

and we wouldn't want more pedo talk in here

16:39

meanwhile some place completely different : https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/465212935288422400

16:40

fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos.

↖

16:40

Etretat: http://i.imgur.com/MHrnQCe.jpg - looks like a scene from Planet of the Apes

16:41

uh. the mother is actually marginally fuckable. the daughters however...

16:41

i'd rather fuck an oven mit.

16:42

is it?!

16:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44089 @ 0.00088502 = 39.0196 BTC [+] {4}

16:42

"MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before."

16:43

o look at that.

16:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8510 @ 0.00088754 = 7.553 BTC [+]

16:43

mircea_popescu: yeah we were joking about the "shells" thing the other day

16:44

<kakobrekla> imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run << obviously not. but let the circus of irrelevancy have their fun.

16:46

so mpex is a scam, and cryptostocks is an exchange. i wonder what melanoma is.

16:46

mircea_popescu: Melanoma is a beauty mark.

16:46

a hip new fashion or a corporate conspiracy ?

16:47

And Fournier's gangerene is a sign of verility.

16:47

"verility" <<< being a true man

16:48

kakobrekla:

16:48

>I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. << in general, the mark of a trustworthy doctor or medicine is that it promises to cure 100% whatever health issue you may have, and similarly the mark of competent legal counsel is that they issue 100% non illegalcy certifications

16:49

o look it's a khersonus

16:49

FTFY: the doctor must have certificate issued by lawyer

16:49

also don't forget dat guarantee

16:49

and vice versa

16:49

"A TOTAL LOST OF COINS IS IMPOSSIBLE."

16:50

it's impossible because running away with them is not a loss in the truest sense of the word

16:50

i would only be half-surprised if the actual business plan turns out to be an investment in feincoin

16:50

lol

16:53

hello guys. i was told i can find someone on this internet that can rake my yard

16:53

in exchange for a pencil.

16:54

"if you were michelle obama i'd be marginally interested in raking your yard with my pencil"

16:54

jurov: or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? < i would suspect it'd be X.BUTTCO

16:54

davout lol good one

16:54

oh hey mp

16:55

davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones << im not so sure about that. afaik, most jurisdictions require the provider to collect vat for the customer.

16:56

which is why when you buy a pencil in a shop, the vat shows up on your bill. even if you should have paid it, the shop is not legally allowed to just sell you the pencil

16:56

they have to also act the tax man, and collect and pay ~for you~ the vat ~you owe~ for the government's convenience.

16:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00088079 = 3.1735 BTC [-]

16:57

you mean, the second part of the statement, you're not sure about, right?

16:57

HeySteve: re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0 << lmao you know the BF's desperate for attention when they're actually begging for people disgusted by them to actually leave comments on their otherwise dead forum

16:57

"please guys, spit on us, urinate, anything anything as long as we're involved in any way!"

16:58

davout i mean as a corporation selling to natural persons, you may or may not end up in hot water with whatever local tax authority if you don't give them a vat.

16:58

because, logically, they will wish to be paid, and will lean on whatever is available.

16:59

mircea_popescu: didn't really think about it this way, if the corp. selling coins on BC gets audited they'd be the one getting in trouble, i hear your point though

16:59

especially seeing how france works with regards to tax and its budget,

17:00

i wouldn't count on them not doing something such as changing the tax code mid exercise and then insisting you comply.

17:00

mircea_popescu: but one thing to keep in mind is that contrary to all the other exchanges, we never actually touch the fiat being moved aroud, me merely trigger a transfer between accounts that do not belong to us legally

17:00

such stuff has been seen in romania, poland, the czech republic and if memory serves the uk

17:00

mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK

17:01

so a bit of a dubious terrain, is all i'm saying.

17:01

this, of course, in stark contrast with the 100% non illegal certs better people are getting.

17:01

our defense here is simply "we never touch the money", we're simply mandated to trigger the move between accounts :D

17:02

yes yes i get that, there isn't a third reich because you live in the poznan forest, rather than on the warta field

17:02

at least, if that ever happens and we get fined into nothingness, the customer funds are safe because they don't sit on our corp. accts

17:02

phew

17:02

<davout> mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK // oh yeah it did

17:02

like the PEA taxation recently

17:03

davout im not even sure how it works there, but if memory serves you can't even bankruptcy if you've been fined

17:03

ThickAsThieves so are you concerned that by going to amsterdam you may end up on teh interpol pedo watch list ?

17:03

mircea_popescu: never heard about that, the taxman is a privileged creditor for sure, but how would that work?

17:03

heh mircea

17:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2295 @ 0.00087876 = 2.0168 BTC [-]

17:04

davout well, you file for chapter 11 or w/e equivalent, the da intervenes and objects

17:04

civil suit (ie, the bankruptcy) is suspended during penal proceedings

17:04

ya, guess you mean it becomes personal liability at that point

17:04

there's no strict limit on how long they may take, so it can be 25 years.

17:05

davout no, he doesn't have to actually prosecute it.

17:05

but, penal against whom ?

17:05

doesn't matter.

17:05

suppose there's company x. it owes 110 euros and has assets of 100 euros. right ?

17:05

penal as in surprise penis in butt

17:05

right

17:06

at this point general manager or w/e party the executive power is vested in is legally required to file for bankruptcy or supervised reorganisation/reconstitution/we

17:06

okay

17:06

this is a civil suit. the judge receives an objection from the state's tax attorney, stating that they consider they're owed five eurocents in fines.

17:06

and - importantly - that they intend to prosecute the matter.

17:06

the judge sets the file aside.

17:06

end of story.

17:07

to me it works in the following way

17:07

assets 100, liability 110

17:07

taxman takes whatever is owed to them, other creditors take the rest

17:07

not how this works

17:07

i'm not finished

17:07

IF the taxman claims they intend to prosecute the matter.

17:07

taxman must do an audit first

17:08

but you never get that far. i know how it goes on your branch, but youy never get to tyhat branch

17:08

and ask you whatever they want... that can take time

17:08

someone may object (taxman or whoever else) may object that the bankruptcy was fraudulent and that there was deliberate actions made to diminish the assets, in this case the general manager can get prosecuted personnally

17:09

no.

17:09

heard about this a few times already

17:09

the taxman;'s objection is priviledged

17:09

yea, i know

17:09

it's not of the same nature as everyone else's (those are resolved part of the civil suit)

17:09

people actually get barred from managing corporations

17:09

the situation you find yourself in, practically, is that the 100 euro assets are now locked up, and deteriorating, under court "supervision"

17:09

and you can't touch them. and everyone waits.

17:09

since it's a small corp, nobody cares, and it can wait forever.

17:10

that's the particular fissure of a kafkaesque nature i wish to draw your attention to.

17:10

in france, there's usually a "suit" if the bankruptcy is fraudulent, a liquidation process goes in front of a judge as well tho, but it's not really a lawsuit

17:10

but that's what im saying. it doesn't have to get that far.

17:10

I believe this is how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9j9Io-gTk

17:11

in france, as far as i know, if a company is not solvent, there *must* be a liquidator appointed

17:11

davout sure.

17:11

i may be dead wrong here, never had a company liquidated :D

17:11

no, you're right. hes appointed. he takes a hoinorary.

17:11

and waits for the da to finish its investigation.

17:11

pankkake: fucking classical

17:11

till 2028 or w/e

17:12

afaik the fact that a liquidator is appointed doesn't mean there's an investigation

17:12

dude you're refusing to see what im saying. again from the top.

17:13

the way i understand it, is that there's two cases, either the bankruptcy is considered "normal", or "fraudulent", in the former it's liquidator, in the latter it's liquidator + investigation

17:13

company is insolvent. management has to report this. management does.

17:13

court takes note. court starts insolvency proceedings.

17:13

taxman takes note. taxman notifies court.

17:13

court sets all proceedings aside pending result of taxman investigation.

17:13

investigation takes forever.

17:13

insolvency is never resolved.

17:13

~ fin ~

17:13

aah, i guess the part i missed was that it was a taxman led investigation

17:14

so now you can sit and look at your 100 euros turning into dust in a warehouse somewhere.

17:14

i'll have a look at that

17:15

well, i fail to find anything such in slovak law practice

17:15

now, if it's a big company, it can perhaps push for this to resolve.

17:15

in fact, the opposite thing happened

17:15

but considering the state of the dockets, all over the "civilised" world, a < billion corp stands zero chance to be even noticed.

17:15

but from what you say, the taxman, if he has a claim against the company has an actual incentive to speed things up, assuming he's paying himself *after* his investigation, which would make sense in a somewhat sane system

17:15

taxmen delayed VAT returns fdue to "ongoing investigation"

17:15

so some companies bankrupted

17:15

davout he has a perverse incentive : he knows that you're a sucker, and would rather pay him than wait.

17:15

so he waits so you pay.

17:15

regardless of tax investigation

17:16

jurov that's vat returns stuff, an entirely different piece of related nonsense.

17:16

mircea_popescu: how can i pay him if my assets are frozen during the investigation?

17:16

davout take your wife to amsterdam ?

17:16

but it was the same kind of investigation

17:18

i don't see how it would make sense to drop a tax-related investigation on frozen corporate assets by having a shareholder, or general manager, paying money out of his pocket

17:18

one of the many many COUNTLESS reasons a businessman absolutely must have a well read blog at his disposal.

17:18

once that sort of shit starts, you start publishing the lolz.

17:19

davout because if w/e they calculated is owed is paid, then they have no further grounds to investigate.

17:19

pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" << for some reason that immediately sent me to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg

17:20

so what were they investigating about in the first place if it wasn't "calculate exactly how we're being owed" ???

17:20

davout right.

17:20

you are starting to understand bureaucracy, the legal system and how states work.

17:20

if they weren't investigating about that, they were investigating about fraud, and you don't get out such an investigation by simply throwing money at them

17:20

davout it's simpler than that : they don't have to be specific before they finish the investigation

17:21

French fisc agents are allowed to offer "deals" btw

17:21

this is a game-theoretic asset : they won't say. maybe they are. maybe they aren't. what do you want ?

17:22

so you just pay them some random amount ?

17:22

no, you pay them what they ask you. then they make the paperwork read that's what you were supposed to pay.

17:23

i *never* heard about such a thing

17:24

yes, but you never spent a million on consel in any fiscal year either.

17:25

true, have you ?

17:25

yes, actually.

17:26

pankkake: I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters << but those were sluts

17:26

what's wrong with sluts?

17:26

i don't have to get skinnkavaj to ask his magical "i can't see why not" device to bed those

17:27

principle of magical economy : only use the really powerful delusionist spells when really needed.

17:27

mircea_popescu: are you implying that a million needs to be spent in legal counsel to have something like that explained ?

17:27

davout the implication is that particular malfunctions of a broken system are only visible at a certain height, nothing else

17:28

i just explained it to you for free, after all.

17:28

that was the implied question :-)

17:28

your objection that it doesn't fit with your experience, unsound as it may be in theory, is also easily dispatched in practice.

17:29

i don't object reasoning on the basis that it doesn't fit my experience

17:29

<davout> i *never* heard about such a thing << what's that then ?

17:29

not an objection, simply the expression that it didn't fit my experience :)

17:29

oh ok.

17:30

i am sure, if you go to the chamber of commerce or w/e people gather in paris these days and ask, you will find at least one or two people caught in something of the sort.

17:30

what i'm saying is that it is not comprised in the set of the things i know about how the law works

17:31

look, the french tax code has this concept of "abus de droit"

17:31

from there, anything becomes possible

17:31

well yeah but we're here to expand it :D

17:31

and yes lol.

17:31

"you have a right, provided you don't use it in a way we didn't foresee or don't like"

17:31

ancient german law nonsense.

17:31

for those who don't speak french, "abus de droit" means that you're "overusing" the law to your advantage, and that, in itself is unlawful

17:32

my dad's an accountant, when he told me about this thing, i was like "no fucking way"

17:33

he told me to shut up and eat my soup, the moral of the story is that you're better off keeping your assets in bitcoin XD

17:34

lol

17:34

he has a point. eat your lentils!

17:35

he was actually in his borscht phase

17:37

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

17:41

ah i love a good bors

17:43

yea, don't get too excited, he just entered his "no-fat fries" phase

17:44

how does that even work :/

17:44

pankkake: http://p3.storage.canalblog.com/36/79/280237/14881225.jpg

17:44

oh, I think my dad has this horror too

17:44

olestra ?

17:45

but the bad thing for you is the fry, not the fat

17:45

i don't get this no fat frying bs. use canola oil, it'll be fine

17:46

belgian fries, now that's something

17:46

do they abuse preteens ?

17:46

ahah

17:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00088031 = 15.1853 BTC [+]

17:46

pankkake: +beer

17:47

pankkake: +francois damiens making pictures of naked women

17:47

how was that movie called again

17:47

dikkenek?

17:47

pankkake: YES

17:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApR8gT8t9JU

17:48

Dikkenek shooting photo - YouTube

17:49

"PAS COMMENCER A JOUER AVEC MES COUILLES HEIN"

17:50

what is this ?

17:50

pure awesomeness

17:51

mais qu'est ce que tu fais ici la fille

17:51

lol

17:52

nanotube

kakobrekla: long time ago. google killed their api.

18:02

LTC-Global was a dba of btctc right ?

18:06

artifexd

I think it was the reverse, but yeah, they were run by the same guy.

18:09

a yeah, right you are, burnside was derping on ltc with this thing, then when nefario closed down abruptly for unspecified legal reasons one week after declaring he's legally 100% not illegal at the conference where he scammed clueless rms into showing up

18:09

suddenl;y turned around and made it into a btc exchange because why the fuck not, he's competent and smart and brilliant. or, in the words of today's equivalent,

18:10

"Dear Forum Members, some people here accuse us false of scam. Fact is not one person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu was scammed by us."

18:12

o lordy.

18:12

"If you not like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are sure our system is very professional programmed."

18:13

Markus Weiler, where does one even start

18:13

with rails obviously.

18:13

the public rails on weiler ?

18:14

kakobrekla: does not compute

18:14

mircea_popescu: a dependency has failed to compute

18:14

he hasn't stopped stalking me…

18:15

apparently I'm every troll for him

18:15

davout yes i would imagine.

18:15

pankkake: whatever, you're jelly because he doesn't make blog posts about you

18:15

davout syntax error

18:15

still with the wrong identity

18:15

this is annoying

18:15

im just fucking around while im dicking around cause i know you like to fuck with your dick

18:16

what happens here?

18:16

kakobrekla: we herd you like dicks

18:16

jurov tits fucks you with his dick

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SO WE PUT A DICK IN YOUR BUTT, BITCH

18:16

he wishes.

18:17

and who's the tit here?

18:17

!up dotcoin

18:17

Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.

18:17

jackpot

18:17

David Francois you have a very big mouth with your scam

18:17

!up dotcoin

18:17

Voice for dotcoin extended to 30 minutes.

18:17

dotcoin: hello markus

18:17

o you two know each other ?

18:17

do you come to monaco on april 24

18:17

want to meet you

18:17

jurov a part of my name sounds like tits and means dick

18:17

dotcoin: i don't do autographs

18:18

still not i jail wonders me

18:18

who is raping the logs!?

18:18

asyour friend mark

18:18

dotcoin 1st of april is over dude.

18:19

why you not tell the people your relation to karpeles

18:19

ladies and gentlemen, dotcoin, operator of bitcoinbourse

18:19

you search at other people to fuck them but you are the friend of must fucking scamer in the world

18:19

welcome world

18:19

dotcoin: What bourse do?

18:19

dotcoin you know, everyone that's been in here for a long time knows everyone else.

18:20

dotcoin what is his relation to karpeles? being french?

18:20

davout is not special in this regard

18:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00088115 = 17.4468 BTC [+] {3}

18:20

yes ok i don't know anyone here

18:20

it's just that you're new, and that makes you think knowing pirate/karpeles/whoever is remarkable.

18:20

it's not, not for us.

18:20

heck, i even know imsaguy and inau

18:20

and gigavps. and a ton of other scammers.

18:20

i read only some times some shit people talking about me

18:20

dotcoin: also, had you actually watched the video you're screenshotting, you'd have seen i'm in essence telling him he's full of shit, in 2011

18:20

dotcoin forget about yourself, you're a negligible quantity at this point.

18:21

read everything else.

18:21

mircea_popescu: he is completely unable to absorb any external advice

18:21

syou can advice me

18:21

jurov i don't know the guy

18:21

i'd try asciilifeform's audio heterodyning instead

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lol

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but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys

18:22

dotcoin: Can Bourse Bitcoin for make me?

18:22

;;rate dotcoin 1 for the purpose of further lulz

18:22

Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

18:22

davout srsly dood ;/

18:23

<dotcoin> but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys < dont you owe btc to jurov ?

18:23

dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets

18:23

davout trice.

18:23

no he owes something to forensick

18:23

i'm just an "investor"

18:23

davout yes but rating is going to far, srsly.

18:23

*

Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn

18:23

"I've disagreed with pankkake before (on the subject of altcoins) and he's called me an idiot and I've told him he's wrong. " << look at that!

18:23

not own forensicks bitcoins are you drunk man

18:23

Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc

18:23

<davout> dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets // he's done it before

18:23

that was denied any financial reports whatsoever

18:24

must be a regular reader of teh logs

18:24

yes he is, he sent me nastymails within minutes of me mentioning him last previously

18:24

then i published it on my blog

18:24

he became agressive after jurov mentionned going to the AMF

18:25

i said logs arent magic pill :\

18:25

yes he can go to amf i wish him good luck

18:25

<kakobrekla> Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc // fuck you kako that's my corn

18:25

Apocalyptic: AMF deals with financial markets, not with braindamage

18:26

lol

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!b 2

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Apocalyptic if it would be mine it would be .5

18:26

dotcoin: Srs, does bourse Bitcoin have your for more making?

18:26

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

18:27

so davout why we not talking little bit here about bitcoin central

18:27

and your famous french bitcoin foundation

18:27

davout, he's pretending to run one, however misconstructed damaged the thingis

18:27

dotcoin you mean about the vat again or just in general ?

18:27

Apocalyptic: my daughter pretends the cushions are castle walls

18:27

jurov does amf also view coinbr?

18:28

dotcoin: is there a way to see what paper is trading on bourse without signing up?

18:28

yes of course

18:28

davout little does she know that the snow is the actual castle walls.

18:28

dotcoin: maybe, tell them to ask me if they need a referral code

18:28

dotcoin, they are welcome to view it

18:29

dotcoin: where can i see that list?

18:29

@jurov than is good man

18:29

referal link from you darov

18:29

don't tell me he types the names by hand

18:29

yes @benkay go to site second slider shares click read more

18:30

no urls on your internet ?

18:30

d and j are right next to each other

18:30

kakobrekla on special dj keyboards, yes they are.

18:30

also on macs

18:30

a carousel is now a nav bar

18:30

darov is just the child of jurov and davout

18:30

o.O

18:30

dotcoin and what about publishing order book and volume?

18:30

pankkake that'd be juout

18:30

i guess pankkake is the child from them

18:31

login to see order book

18:31

why not make it available for everyone

18:31

dotcoin do you at least show diff order books to each login, icbit style ?

18:31

haha

18:31

or php === not advanced yet ?

18:31

and volume is not available even on login...

18:32

the "at least" is somehow not shocking

18:32

Apocalyptic it'd be entertaining lol

18:32

%b

18:32

but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching

18:32

oh and did i mention that you can issue standing orders for fixed expiration of 3 days or market orders and nothing else?

18:33

LAST TIME IT WAS THE DIVIDENDS

18:33

has dotcoin orderbooks that ========= something legit each inlog

18:33

mod6, is atcbot broken ?

18:33

jurov that's how they did it in viking times

18:33

%t

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%book

18:33

atcbot

[X-BT] Bid: 225 Ask: 239 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 1k High: 239 Low: 195 VWAP: 211

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atcbot

60k@242 64k@240 25k@239 | 116k@225 4k@195 90k@156

18:33

seems he's fine

18:34

ok, thought %b was an alias for %book

18:34

i think it stands for block

18:34

if anything

18:34

some interesting bid @225

18:34

<dotcoin> but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching << this approach is fundamentally broken. even should you prove everyone else is stupid, that'll still not make you smart.

18:35

@mircea i want to be smart for you nor i search friends here

18:35

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991333#msg5991333

18:35

Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'

18:35

look at that, 1k atc volume. amusingly, it's displaying the bitcoin hoarding behaviours too!

18:36

how did it go with the internet police dotcoin?

18:36

dotcoin that's also fundamentally broken. if you have friends here, you'll be ok. if you do not, you will fail, even should the entire world come to try and rescue you.

18:36

as karpeles found out through bitter experience, as vessenes will, etc.

18:36

need dotcoin friends no

18:37

world tried to rescue karp?

18:37

BingoBoingo kickass lol.

18:37

asciilifeform yes.

18:37

do you want become my friend?

18:37

lol

18:37

as far as paying out of pocket to fly to fucking japan.

18:37

afaik that was just the 'are you solvent?' sign guy

18:37

http://live.coinbr.com/images/bbsbook-fs8.png dotcoin, so let's talk about order book. you (and everyone) don't see anything untoward here?

18:38

jurov basically, he's hacked a time auction package, sort-of adapted it for "bitcoin stock exchange" ?

18:38

looks like that.

18:39

hm you needs now what jurov a order book?

18:39

and after

18:39

?

18:39

no you need one

18:39

so why you not create your own stock exchange i ask myself if you can do all better

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!b 1

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http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions << this is what i mean, for the people following at home.

18:40

Fraud.org - Penny auctions may 2013

18:40

i mean before bitcoinbourse was not good enough for you guys,

18:40

than we create and redesign new

18:41

than you always not happy with it

18:41

dotcoin a scam in a nice box is still a scam

18:41

not trying to imply you have a nice box, just saying.

18:41

and a retard with moar css is still a retard

18:41

and do you have any scammed people here kakobrekla are you scammed by me?

18:41

dotcoin your approaches are scammy

18:41

"not trying to imply you have a nice box" <<< lmao

18:42

tell me are you scammed by me?

18:42

dotcoin: look, nobody here is stupid enough to get scammed by you

18:42

(except jurov maybe)

18:42

davout you have a mirror yes? look at famous foundation and bitcoin central

18:42

XD

18:42

davout lmao ziiing

18:42

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 241 @ 0.00089867 = 0.2166 BTC [+]

18:42

we was never been down 4 month for been hacked

18:42

dotcoin: yo, what about it ?

18:42

dotcoin why would somebody hack you ?

18:42

dotcoin you are scamming us out of our time with being retarded

18:43

kakobrekla yes but im not gonna down him because i do not wish to be the evil tyrant

18:43

kakobrekla: no, fuck that, the laugh is worth it

18:43

lol

18:43

fine have him but i pay for logs server.

18:43

running low on packets.

18:44

the script kiddies here even have no plan to shut down a wordpress site

18:44

kakobrekla: you can offset it by offering assbot ad slots

18:44

lol

18:45

jurov kakobrekla that'd be a complementary business model for this guy -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.msg6658822

18:45

but ok i see there is no serious discussion here everyone accuse other of scam thats all

18:45

dotcoin because you evade the questions

18:45

dotcoin: what about bitcoin-central and the french association ?

18:45

i am asking, how can you consider the order book usable?

18:46

for example you can't easily find lowest offer

18:46

<dotcoin> but ok i see there is no serious discussion here << i lolled.

18:46

you not can find lowest offer?

18:46

it's confusing whether it's about bid/ask side

18:46

i not can find word order in soup!

18:46

dotcoin: also your buy and sell are backwards

18:47

Buy: 338.00 € Sell: 301.00 €

18:47

davout don't you do it that way in france ?

18:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]

18:47

!up dotcoin

18:47

Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.

18:48

mircea_popescu: whaddaya mean

18:48

jurov definitely, i tell you. he's taken a software package intended for a penny auction site and hacked it together. it's so fucking obvious. that pseudo "book" could no other way be explained.

18:48

davout backwards.

18:48

in the butt?

18:48

dotcoin, also, how you set a order expiration of 100 days for yourself? why no one other can set it?

18:48

buttwards

18:49

we do it backwards but it looks forward, think moonwalk

18:49

order expirations of 100 days are for merchants only, if you want list shares you can do and your orders will be run as long you want

18:50

"shares merchant"?

18:50

yes

18:50

that kind fits

18:50

:D

18:50

there are no bitcoin orders longer than 3 days

18:50

why not ?

18:51

what if im going on vacation ? what if i just met a highschooler with nice tits ?

18:51

either usually takes me > 3 days

18:51

mircea_popescu: because he uses an evaluation copy mebbe

18:51

x.X

18:51

i guess it makes no sense, when bitcoin price jumps up and down

18:51

why not 2 days then.

18:51

you sell bitcoins and go vacation?

18:52

i think 10 min is more appropriate.

18:52

you can cancel your order when you need

18:52

am i fucking confused ? is this bourse thing a bitcoin exchange or a bitcoin stock exchange ?

18:52

no. it's bitcoin stock merchant

18:52

mircea_popescu: stock exchange + P2P bitcoin exchange, amirite dotcoin?

18:52

so then wtf has the price of bitcoin to do with anything

18:53

it was started as bitcoin exchange, now we focus to going full to bitcoin stock exchange, as we not want competition with the big ones like bc

18:53

bc became big at some point ?!

18:53

haha, i knew it was coming

18:53

in what point

18:53

relative, I'm sure

18:53

pankkake seriously, you feel like articulating wtf you hate about altcoins quite so viscerally ?

18:54

dotcoin: don't you also have a P2P exchange, sort of like localbitcoins?

18:54

maybe but this is not my problem i am not jealous of other people

18:54

im sure nobody'll be like, "o, we no like pankkake anymoar now", even if they think your idea is dumb

18:54

davout yes it's everything on bitcoinbourse, both btceur and stocks

18:54

yes, I started a blog article. and it should start with "I don't hate altcoins, "hate" is a word used by faggots, I just think they are a fraud"

18:55

pankkake: wai u hate faggots?

18:55

yes read @davout, told here we have p2p like localbitcoins but now we focus on stock exchange, so the french market is free for you enjoy we don't need that

18:55

i think the just hates hate

18:55

davout: yeah they make noises with their bikes

18:55

oh and bitcoincard is there too, never dared to try that

18:55

pankkake kay, i'll read it. ping here when done

18:55

bitcoincard yes

18:55

you can try

18:56

there is actually a lot of things I want to write in, so it will take a while, but I want to write it instead of arguing endlessly / being MAD

18:56

you can order from anywhere in europe

18:56

smart choice.

18:56

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.00644267 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {5}

18:56

pankkake: arguing endlessly without getting mad is a skill in itself

18:57

well, not if you're mad starting out

18:57

getting mad without an argument also.

18:57

bounce: if you're already mad, arguing doesn't really sound like a good idea anyway

18:58

kakobrekla: yo, just fuck shit up from time to time, randomly

18:58

tell it to the people in the madhouse

18:59

davout: yes, I usually don't get mad when I don't respect my adversary

18:59

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0059118 = 0.2956 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46366666 = 1.391 BTC [-] {2}

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I mean don't have any respect for

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pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ?

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]

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i guess what you mean is that you take it more seriously then, amirite?

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yes

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00591 = 0.2955 BTC [-]

19:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07258809 = 1.4518 BTC [+] {4}

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well, I don't accept that people that are not dumb have dumb (i.e. not mine) opinions

19:02

you don't go for anything less but ideological world domination, do you?

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bounce: it just makes him mad to have a cognitive dissonnance

19:03

your opinions are never dumb?

19:03

pankkake ^

19:03

well, when I realize they're dumb I change them

19:03

"i see this guy as smart, but i see his opinion as dumb, AAAARRGH dissonnance"

19:03

pankkake: try with dotcoin :D

19:04

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00580523 = 0.1219 BTC [-] {4}

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such gandhi

19:04

I don't want to argue with him, I don't know what's his deal

19:04

so ask him *gdr*

19:04

basically I just linked to what others said

19:04

<davout> pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ? << this is how it works yes

19:05

which makes sense

19:05

otherwise you'd spend your time angry at the pet rocks

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78460 @ 0.00087855 = 68.931 BTC [-] {6}

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mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking about the alternative of not getting mad, in either case

19:07

but i can perfectly understand that if you perceive the person you are arguing with as intelligent, it makes the arguing exercise different

19:07

well. if you argue in public with someone dumb, your objective should be completely different

19:08

you're not necessarily trying to convince him

19:08

the sanest attitude in such a case is double: make other readers hear your point, have some fun

19:08

yeah

19:09

if some fucktards end up calling you a troll you can count it as a success

19:09

to get back to the dotcoin case, it's slightly weird, because he doesn't display the usual bitcointalk scammer attributes

19:09

i always cunt it as a success

19:09

lel

19:09

davout maybe his mastery of the english language doesn't permit him to ?

19:10

mircea_popescu: no i was thinking more about the fact that he's not anonymous

19:10

intentionally ?

19:10

no, i sense no intention of hiding his identity

19:10

https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler is he this guy ?

19:10

and for that matter, neither is dr foreskin anonymous

19:11

he's just well known to be a fucktard irl too, so what's he got to lose.

19:11

yep, this guy

19:11

i not have need to hide anything

19:11

https://bitcoinbourse.eu/about <<< has the real name on it

19:11

BitcoinBourse.eu - decentralised market place to buy and sell Bitcoin person to person Welcome to th

19:11

Director of the Chair

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19:11

Chair of Hydrology

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Albert-Ludwigs-University of Freiburg

19:11

dude no fucking way somebody that looks too young to have a phd even can be what i assume is a head of a department

19:11

mircea_popescu: otoh, hydrology...

19:12

anyone emailed that address ?

19:12

"yep, i have correctly identified this glass as containing water"

19:12

what address ?

19:12

https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/mitarbeiter/picmail/weiler.gif

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because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old.

19:13

not exactly a random diploma mill

19:13

moar like germany's nobel prize mill

19:13

(heidegger's uni)

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you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu

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midnightmagic: aaah, i thought you were still on dr foreskin

19:14

could be name collision

19:14

plus hayek, husserl if memory serves etc

19:14

dotcoin: "you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu" <<< that's the wrongest answer you could've come up with

19:14

tell me why

19:15

davout well, he could give out an @yahoo one.

19:15

dotcoin we're not interested in emailing you as the bitcoin bourse fuckwit. we're interested in emailing you as markus whatever, to verify davout's theory that you're not behaving like the average forum scammer.

19:15

we tell lies/ sweet little lies/

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dotcoin: because you are being asked if you are in fact head of hydrology at the freiburg university

19:15

mircea_popescu: where did you find this address anyway? the name sounds like a common german one

19:15

probably a homonym

19:16

davout intel popped it for me. https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4848579 BTC [+]

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anyway, my point was that he has actual corporate details on his bourse about page

19:16

mircea_popescu: no, that's not him

19:16

not the same weiler

19:16

davout so then for all you know this is NOT an actual name.

19:17

there exist many weiler same as many Francois i guess

19:17

mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that the name is real

19:17

davout a you do ? how ?

19:17

and that it matches the details posted

19:17

the company is registered

19:17

mircea_popescu: intel

19:17

a ok then.

19:17

pankkake: better intel

19:18

amd?

19:18

badum_tss.wav

19:18

!up dotcoin

19:18

Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.

19:18

round #3

19:18

*ding*ding*

19:18

LOL

19:19

ima go explore a vagina. don't make a mess of popcorn around here meanwhile!

19:19

<mircea_popescu> because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old. // you're sure about this ?

19:19

mircea_popescu: you make it sound like it's a large one XD

19:20

so dotcoin, you insist the orderbook is completely fine despite everyone else saying it is not?

19:20

must be your mom's then

19:21

okay. so why you can't publish trades? that's completely normal thing all exchanges do

19:21

established 1457, so 557 years

19:21

pankkake: leave my mom's orderbook alone

19:21

not saying that, but is momently status of order book

19:21

dotcoin: well then, say "thank you for pointing that out, i'll be working on it"

19:22

you are shareholder jurov you have right to send us your feedback

19:23

dotcoin, in fact i don't want to be anymore. but have no other option

19:23

Apocalyptic ya

19:23

omg ppls stop dinging me i think it's important ;/

19:23

hm, prolly i'll move all shares to pankkake and watch whatever ensues

19:24

please no

19:24

pankkake: what's your bbs account?

19:24

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/3DJWE0P.txt)

19:24

!b 3

19:25

so dotcoin, when approximately can we expect public trades feed?

19:25

I've been quite happy to sell off all my havecocks at a loss

19:25

no need for more things

19:26

@jurov we will see how we do

19:27

you pull the code off crystal ball or what?

19:28

perhaps you should write a bourse broker (sounds painful, I wouldn't want my bourses broken)

19:28

but what exactly you want see, you see already how many shares from company xyz was listed and how much was left on sale!

19:29

dotcoin you ever use any stock exchange? every one of them publishes what trades were done

19:29

DEMTRADES.

19:30

there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need

19:30

dotcoin: making the information public is also not optional

19:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00087799 = 20.7645 BTC [-]

19:30

yes i use and i know but i not must copy them as system works like this

19:30

publically listed companies with no publically listed ledgers for buys/sells? :o

19:31

dotcoin: how would you know there were 10k shares yesterday without an order book ?

19:31

but guys you talking about things like cryptostocks do

19:31

the merchant have to know where the shares are gone

19:31

not the public

19:31

like NYSE. NASDAQ and everyone else!

19:32

you want see where are the shareholders? do you see on your bank the shareholder names of a company?

19:32

Yeah if NASDAQ can run their engine for longer than 2mins :P

19:32

dotcoin "public has no right to any information" is a scammer attitude

19:32

dotcoin: how can the public have an idea of what the state of the market is without an order book ?

19:32

do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder?

19:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30867 @ 0.00087727 = 27.0787 BTC [-] {2}

19:32

dotcoin: Yes.

19:32

OF course.

19:32

public have right of course

19:32

<dotcoin> do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder? // no

19:32

but privacy exists also

19:32

but you see the trades for every single trading day

19:32

dotcoin: you seem to be confused about what an order book is

19:32

we can't show shareholders

19:33

You don't need to show people...

19:33

we can show how many shares are sold yes

19:33

You need to show trades :)

19:33

but this is already there

19:33

how many / when / at what price

19:33

dotcoin: you need to show offers to buy and sell, publicly, not who is posting these orders

19:33

in a nice table

19:33

dotcoin: https://bitcoin-central.net/page/stats/orders <<< this is an order book

19:34

there are offers to buy and sell, of course, the only one not is there are not showing sold shares thats correct

19:34

dotcoin: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE <<< on the rigth side of this page is also an order book

19:35

yes guys think like taht is under development

19:35

"under development"

19:35

how do you close books/trades/orders if you don't know who buys/sells what?

19:35

You surely have the data at hand.

19:35

You're just not presenting it.

19:35

That shouldn't take a mammoth development task.

19:36

"Bitcoin Central is loading..."

19:36

many other things in todo list, so i not give them so much priority yet as i don't know this classifieds me as scammer

19:36

bounce: javascript?

19:36

this not needs a month

19:36

You don't think not publishing trade information on a trading platform is a positive?

19:36

dotcoin: this does classifies you as completely unqualified to run a stock exchange, that's all

19:37

thats not correct as i tell you already there is all to see

19:37

it's on. likely some js lib ruthlessly breaking backward compatability.

19:37

bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work

19:38

so much for not using cloudflare!

19:38

that's bothersome

19:38

@davout and you are qualified to run a bitcoin exchange?

19:38

just so you know, this is not twittar.

19:38

pankkake: you serious about the google thing? shame on me

19:38

hosting on 1&1

19:38

I think so, unless it's only for the font

19:38

using cloudfare

19:38

bravo

19:39

I have a RequestPolicy authorization at least

19:39

What do you want him to do? use SFTI? :)

19:39

<dotcoin> hosting on 1&1 // they are on online afaik

19:39

and no cloudfare

19:39

pankkake: it's only for the font, nothing remotely comparable to cloudflare

19:39

!up twizt_

19:39

Voicing twizt_ for 30 minutes.

19:39

dotcoin: you dont have to reveal customer information

19:39

you can just show the last market trade, by symbol, price quantity

19:40

dotcoin: as a matter of fact i am, i am also certainly not using cloudflare or hosting with 1&1

19:40

@twizt yes and we don't do

19:40

I see a request to recaptcha too, weird

19:40

@davout or ovh

19:40

y not

19:40

cuz for all anyone knows ur hiding true volume

19:40

which is hella illegal

19:40

dotcoin: get a clue before spouting nonsense

19:41

if you are a 'public venue'

19:41

dotcoin: also get an order book

19:41

how are u p2p decentralized with all 'customer doesnt need to know' attitude

19:41

dafuq

19:41

pankkake: because pre-load

19:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54780 @ 0.00087656 = 48.018 BTC [-] {2}

19:41

we hidde nothing thats is do anyone from you go inside the bourse and take a view and read all? than you see there is nothing hidden there is all transparent

19:41

dotcoin what is your reason for not providing volume information/trade information?

19:41

to hide volume lol

19:41

( other than the obvious )

19:42

pankkake: if you want to not make the requests you can use teh API :D

19:42

-> https://github.com/Paymium/api-documentation

19:42

we provide them so why you talking that when it's not true

19:42

dotcoin: URLs?

19:42

example company 1 list 100k shares

19:43

than you see how much shares are on sold left

19:43

what about after

19:43

what about secondary trading information

19:43

after primary quantities are sold off

19:43

if you see only 80k tomorrow on sale means 20k are sold you need a calculator for that

19:43

Christ...

19:43

dotcoin: seriously, shut up and get cracking

19:44

!down dotcoin

19:44

!down dotcoin

19:44

so after all ipo shares sold, the secondary trading goes dark? lol

19:44

LOL

19:44

:)

19:44

;;gpg info dotcoin

19:44

No such user registered.

19:45

poorly designed exchange

19:45

and people wonder why Bitcoin gets a bad name.

19:45

poor guy is probably still talking in the chan

19:45

Probably...

19:45

lmao

19:46

U GUYS DONT NO NETHING

19:46

this is best way 2 run things

19:46

buy 100k sell 80k means 20k left

19:46

dumb dumbs

19:46

ETC.

19:46

dotcoin: we can not see what you type, go do your homework and come back when it's ready, if ever

19:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3341 @ 0.00087636 = 2.9279 BTC [-]

19:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03120572 = 0.156 BTC [-] {3}

19:47

davout perhaps he is making iceberg/dark pools his important developmental opportunity.

19:47

trading volume isn't important, right?

19:47

i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics

19:48

smart people

19:48

and the terminally retarded

19:48

Sadly I don't think I am either of those.

19:48

there doesn't seem to be a lot of the average

19:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03115904 = 0.1558 BTC [-]

19:49

wooooo!

19:49

bitcoin has this image of free money

19:49

you can make them with your computar

19:49

which it is

19:50

but somehow i feel like a lot of people come to it with the wrong idea o "fair money"

19:50

"fair" in the sense of "democratic" or "equal"

19:50

well, they realize it doesn't grow on trees and are upset

19:51

there's this too

19:51

actually many smart people are repelled first.. especially these that expect thing working properly according to rules

19:51

*things

19:52

i think that's more the retarded that act as a repellent to the smart

19:52

yeah, I stayed away from bitcoin because it seemed full of teenagers

19:53

that had no idea what they were doing

19:53

I guess I shouldn't have

19:53

radium, discovered by highschoolers indeed

19:54

http://pastebin.ca/2738708

19:54

;;ticker

19:54

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.17, Best ask: 457.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.73000, Last trade: 457.0, 24 hour volume: 4100.46574537, 24 hour low: 449.79, 24 hour high: 459.24, 24 hour vwap: 453.886482405

19:54

the success stories, i.e. bitcoin prices, or asicminer in the past, made people want to throw money at it

19:54

;;calc 0.004 * 456

19:54

1.824

19:55

bounce: the info in there is accurate

19:55

says you, why?

19:55

http://www.bitronictech.net/bitcoin-vps.php

19:56

not bad pricing on these

19:56

bounce: because i know

19:56

benkay: going there tomorrow, you jelly? -> http://www.theatrechampselysees.fr/recital-et-musique-de-chambre/concerts-du-dimanche-matin/sol-gabetta-bertrand-chamayou

19:56

you suck at the coughing man in a raincoat act

19:56

BitVPS best VPS, benkay!

19:57

bounce: that's because i'm more like the cop that's looking up his cop DB

19:57

BigBitz: they pay you for it?

19:57

benkay: so who are they? many *fiat* vps do not live for long. I've experienced one disappearing for example

19:57

so you did whois and got the same info

19:57

jurov nobody pays me anything.

19:57

it was real cheap, though :D

19:58

BigBitz: rly?

19:58

bounce: look, if I did that i would say "i did a whois", it just so happens that i have more information, and of much better quality than you do, what's so complicated about that ?

19:58

http://lowendbox.com/ is a pretty good source of info on vps hosts

19:59

BigBitz: did bitvps regain any referral? i don't see any

19:59

pankkake: some nobody http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bryan-apperson/65/1bb/147

19:59