#trilema | 2015-02-23

unbalanced, i don't believe so, exchanged a few emails with the guy who built that but unsure if he ever came here

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!up NewLiberty

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cazalla no hysteria, but i get very disinclined to listen to what excuses anyone may have.

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cazalla, thanks -- I was pondering a similar idea about how to divvy-up boring micro data-cleaning work by pipelining it to many users and doing micro-payments.

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Like captcha's I'd need a human decision for the choices my code couldn't make... and would need to run each one by say 5 people then take the "wisdom of the crowds" consensus answer.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29793 @ 0.00040662 = 12.1144 BTC [-] {2}

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this is the shittiest wetware cpu design yet.

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Simple stuff for a native speaker in a given language: correcting capitalization on names, coding mistyped countries

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unbalanced: the term is "asshat"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13507 @ 0.00040429 = 5.4607 BTC [-]

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Ohhhh that's why I get called asshat all the time.

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But the question is, how do people driving by know I lurk here?

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'Ernest Gallo told and re-told a story about driving through Atlanta and spotting a man drinking on the sidewalk. Whats the word? Gallo called out. The response was instantaneous: Thunderbird! and both the wino and the millionaire dissolved into laughter.'

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mircea_popescu: yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything there... I was hoping for an API to hook into but my needs are custom enough I'll likely have to roll my own UI anyway.

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"Not surprisingly, this misguided attempt at respectability failed. Thereafter, Gallo disassociated itself from Thunderbird by simply removing the Gallo name from the Thunderbird label."

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040466 = 1.214 BTC [+]

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"Television ads featured the fictional characters Frank Bartles and Ed Jaymes, two kindly old men so honest and down-to-earth they ended each spot by thanking viewers for your support."

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dude

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everything in the ruby world is abandonware

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!up unbalanced

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ben_vulpes: what do you seriously expect from the language that spawned the framework that killed vircurex

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Thanks Bingo

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For people lacking history Vircurex was what cryptsy aspired to be until Vircurex was robbed to the point no one bothered robbing it anymore

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BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing

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We get a lot of data coming in where users enter things like "NHL" "Nat'l Hockey League" "N.H.l." or umpteen other bastardizations of whatever the short text field is asking for.

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ben_vulpes: Davout also cares enough though to run off of a name. Vircurex was run by "Kumala" who even mircea_popescu doesn't care enough about to dox.

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I can reduce the data cleaning chore via buzzword compliance: gamification, cryptocurrency, micropayments... child labor... addictive push notifications, the whole nine yeards.

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Purely scratching my own itch there. Not proposing a wetware CPU startup. No Tesla coming out of this one, just fewer manual SQL statements.

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Bingo, I get Bartles & Jaymes confused with the two cranberry farmers standing out in the marsh in their hip-waders

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<ben_vulpes> everything in the ruby world is abandonware << everything in the webworld is abandonware.

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brace yourself for THAT discovery.

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unbalanced: Maybe that is the point of the exercise. Everything one could want to know about "marketing" can be learned from Modern Drunkard.

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I will be sure to leave branded empties near schoolyards like the Gallo salesment.

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!up arvicco

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'bitwork' << see also 'mechanical turk'

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(yes, named for the chess 'machine')

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it is, afaik, unique for one thing - being a haven of sp4mz0rz on both sides of the equation

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that is, most if not all of the jobs, last i checked, pertained to spam

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Yes, I remember when Amazon came out with theirs, I read that story...

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but quite likely most of the 'workers' are also (secretly) bots.

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(about the magical machine)

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ok i have no idea about others, but all of -mine- were bots, lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00041502 = 5.748 BTC [+]

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Heh. For data coding I think I'd have to limit use to trusted/trained users... hence my child labor crack.

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We'll whip up a few pages where a few seniors and students can tap big colourful rectangles to make their selections.

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Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along.

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Steve Jobs is training the work force of the future, who knew?

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Tap and flick your way to a food pellet and a little more water in your dish!

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1zywFMk )

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^ 'workforce'

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there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.

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Twerkforce!!!

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damned if i can remember it.

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That's a lot of electricity for a Chinese prison.

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Bet placed: 13.12 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.34534479 BTC. Current weight: 91,074.

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gurlfarm

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bitbet volume up this month?

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Careful asciilifeform she's probably watching us right now.

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Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat.

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Megalol >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2ws5jn/should_i_dox_myself_for_3/

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Should I dox myself for $3? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18fsqic )

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unbalanced: The classical bitbet.py is useful

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okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell

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can i say something dramatic yet?

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ben_vulpes: how'd ya like to lose a week to http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN

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src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyxapO )

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BingoBoingo is still convinced NetBSD is a largely Jap fascination much like tentacle porn

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!up unbalanced

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BingoBoingo seriously though NEtBSD was for people who wanted sudo on their toasters

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on dead squirrels

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That too.

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toaster - luxury, can run freebsd

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I mean... Borked SATA drivers???

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borked on marvell

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and, supposedly, only for certain drives

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but happens to include all the ones i could find here

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Ah

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Building bitcoin-qt through an exercise that largely involved deleting makes me wonder what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting code

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muntz on, good sir.

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I'm thinking "Midori" web browser might be a next candidate

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!up FabianB

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BingoBoingo offers "midori" web browser particularly because all C

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041675 = 8.1266 BTC [+] {2}

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what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting << kernels

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asciilifeform: Exactly. I'm just now discovering the power of the delete key and like a toddler want to use it on everything.

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http://www.returnofkings.com/16637/negative-hiv-tests-for-sale?ModPagespeed=noscript

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Negative HIV Tests For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyyrNE )

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wat

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RC4, delete; NTFS, delete;

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sshd, delete

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!up dgeats

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lol http://google.com.vn/

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Google ... ( http://bit.ly/18fth2C )

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cazalla: what of it

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ah maybe i am getting cached ver, someone elses ss http://i.imgur.com/wMScgY6.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/18ftliA )

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cazalla: Yeah, I saw boring google, bot lulzfest you screencapped

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not my screencap but i still see it

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You know copyrastas got too much power when people want to price gouge antihelminthics http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/20/more_price_hikes_on_obscure_medication.php

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More Price Hikes on Obscure Medication. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyzbST )

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^ 'intellectual property' in one paragraph.

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'If Shkreli acquires Biltricide from Bayer, he plans to raise the price of the drug to $100,000 for a single-day course of treatment, according to people briefed on Turing's business plans. No other changes or improvements to the drug will be made by Turing. The extra revenue generated by Biltricide is expected to earn Turing a fast profit for its investors and help defray the cost of developing other, experimental drugs, sour

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ces said.'

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asciilifeform: Best part is people who generally need antihelminthics... generally could not afford "aspirin"

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target market is presumably wealthy usian tourists to the turd world

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who manage to get very, very lucky

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lol

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what a fucking other fucker.. just chipped my front tooth after only having it fixed like a month ago

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mother fucker even

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i bet it costs less to have all the shareholders shot in the head

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than what the patients, collectively, might pay for the product.

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cazalla: Welcome to the wonderful world of ceramics

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BingoBoingo finds it amazing that maximally empowered copyrastas would have te rest of humanity die by worms

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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the 100k fella didn't mention funding worm spread

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but it seems like logical next step.

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to maximize investor returns!

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No need to fund worm spread. Spread well enough on their own

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whether 'on their own' is 'well enough' is for the shareholders to decide.

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BingoBoingo, black people sorta ruined gold teeth didn't they?

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Only necessary ingredient is pricing drug out of veterinary practice

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cazalla: Mercury amalgam is still a thing

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BingoBoingo, that'd still look like i had bling done

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Maybe?

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Aesthetics can only put up so much of a fight against engineering

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asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.

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i don't wanna live in a world where i have to bling up my front teeth just to eat a peach without chipping a tooth

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mercifully little there is of it

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i'd claim shoddy work but the crown this guy did, never had an issue

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cazalla: You have to understand replacement material involve necessary compromise

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/BelsenIncident.html << historical interest

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... ( http://bit.ly/1zyBplh )

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food needs to adjust to fit the way my teeth see the world BingoBoingo

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re: solzhenitsyn's axe theorem

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incidentally modern jailers learned from this and other historical lulz

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they do not wear sidearms inside the 'wire'.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00041854 = 4.6876 BTC [+] {2}

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And yet USia's jailing class plagiarizes their German predecessors without attribution

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cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity

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BingoBoingo: plagiarizes - lol. where in the world were the first modern gassings? not germany

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asciilifeform: The gassing are not the plagiarism. The humane safety aspects are.

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"No firearms in the zoo" was a very German reform

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Oh, return of kink has a rough gem http://www.returnofkings.com/1977/france-is-in-big-trouble

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France Is In Big Trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1BaYujR )

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'In all of the discussions, Höss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadnt asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with

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the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic' << could be a description of virtually any

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any 'plum book' usg

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00041258 = 6.1062 BTC [-]

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Thousands of inmates to be transferred after unrest at Texas prison | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bb1hd3 )

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"The inmates broke out of their housing structures and converged in the recreation yard, setting fire to several kevlar domes, or tents, that serve as prison housing, the paper said."

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BingoBoingo: 'kevlar' isn't flammable per se...

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asciilifeform: Plenty flame-abru in practice

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Hydrocarbon and flourocarbon polymers break down into their more flamable constituents

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BingoBoingo wonders if maybe he should have watched the oscars if it inspired this much butthurt this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/02/23/oscars_best_picture_winner_birdman_boyhood_snub_is_the_academy_s_worst_mistake.html

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Oscars best picture winner Birdman: Boyhood snub is the Academy’s worst mistake in 20 years. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AAy7Av )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00040466 = 4.5836 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5923 @ 0.00040466 = 2.3968 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00040466 = 2.6708 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00040799 = 2.8151 BTC [+]

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ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app

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ben_vulpes: You know... sbcl is available nearly everywhere...

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Why OpenBSD dev's hate FreeBSD devs https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/569753224179261440

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/hashtag/Kamailio?src=hash and /hashtag/LibreSSL?src=hash does not play together. Problems with CRYPTO_set_mem_functions

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!up sergiohlb

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sergiohlb

thank you

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yOU'RE WELCOME

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unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along. << there's something fundamentally naive about one imagining he can extract useful work out of an assemblage of idiots.

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BingoBoingo that site with the idiotic "from around the web" "weird tricks" etc spam

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62765 @ 0.00040336 = 25.3169 BTC [-] {2}

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re "100k/dose" : praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth. everyone'll just use the indian version and that's that.

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let us bezzle outbezzle itself to all fuck.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00040965 = 14.2353 BTC [+] {2}

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"praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth." << easiest way to get accurate info on the internet is to spew nonsense and wait to be corrected? :P

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no ?

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which part dja have trouble with ?

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Adlai lets the professional chemists weigh in, this is outside his pay grade

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it's about 50yo you know.

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that has zero relevance to ease of synthesis

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...

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what do you think happened in the past half century, chemistry got HARDER ?

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asciilifeform re the jew thing : so ho got her man. rest of the "respectable" cunts, ineffectual as all "respectable" cunts.

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nothing new under the sun.

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anyone else seen qntra as #2 on hackernews atm?

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yup

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nice going bb.

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https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd

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qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw16V )

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093147 << sure thing shill

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But that's entirely because they have to comply with federal law, not because th... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw56L )

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break a bad law rather than comply with it.

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"have to" my foot.

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"all the other guys were fucking her, I had to rape her a little too!!1 "

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can't win for losing

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the fucking shrem defense. "i'm not an asshole, i just had to behave like one. but my real me is still intact! i'm a narcissist, my actions don't describe me!"

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shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.

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makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.

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the choices that all suck

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show me some that don't, eh?

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it's war, there's no winning.

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i'm only showing alf, he's got the ip on iot.

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shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima << who was this ?

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you wrote about him at one point.

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recently, i might add.

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that narrows it down...

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well i can't find it.

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some bitcointalk.org person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.

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you don't mean the gerald davis / death&taxes guy ?

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wasn't he just wrong?

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ah no

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a year ago ?

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i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.

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i don't give a shit some dude shutters his business

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ben_vulpes rereads the article in question

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but if he comes back 18 months later as an expert witness on the shithead parade...

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he's going to get asked a few hard questions. such as, "who the fuck is paying your bills."

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i see, i see.

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(little, late and only with others' light)

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note that he's actually not answered it, either.

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went in without a plan. rather typical of the entirely fucktarded level of these people lately.

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"nobody could have foreseen we'd get asked questions..."

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while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?

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on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.

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ben_vulpes rereads *again*

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is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?

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it just makes it impossible for fiat businesses to use any of our software.

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more software. just what the world needs.

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it's just a logical gate is all.

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only allows flow one way.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53809 @ 0.00039538 = 21.275 BTC [-] {4}

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https://github.com/80vul/phpcodz/blob/master/research/pch-020.md rip ya ten year old workhorse

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phpcodz/pch-020.md at master · 80vul/phpcodz · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtJqgQ )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00039317 = 2.0838 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31567 @ 0.00041168 = 12.9955 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.0004044 = 19.0068 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22868 @ 0.00039389 = 9.0075 BTC [-]

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asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00040388 = 11.0865 BTC [+] {2}

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unbalanced: Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat. << you can find my bitbet calculator/tracker here https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py

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abfg / bitbet.py — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/17Mq21a )

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unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore << punkman occasionally does data-cleaning/dedupe/linkage/acquisition work for hire

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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity << better dentist also helps. I have a couple front teeth chips with the "natural" fillings, never had to replace.

06:23

punkman, i've had the left front tooth done about 10 years back, that one has lasted, right one around the same time but it got chipped months back, bit pissed off this one has chipped so early but i gnaw bones and shit too so who knows

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cazalla: are you a dingo?

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don't gnaw bones :P

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ya don't love a good bone?

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asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre

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cazalla, sure had a nice lamb roast yesterday.

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hey me too

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today is octopus day, also known as Clean Monday

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i wish we could get good seafood here, a lot of it is shipped in from interstate or worse

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mediterranean is fucked too, we have to import a lot of ocean fish

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5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing <<

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has really awful withdrawals

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(also nothing to do with vaccine)

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mats, is it any better than methadone?

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its safer, but folks sometimes develop suicidal ideation after a few months

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and from all reports it seems thats preferable to beating withdrawal

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http://nationalpainreport.com/suboxone-new-drug-epidemic-8821747.html

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Suboxone: The New Drug Epidemic? - National Pain Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFnijJ )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00040053 = 8.0507 BTC [-] {2}

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<mats> 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing << Suboxone is not vaccine, merely partial agonist, does not trigger immune response

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effect also lacks permanence

07:47

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-governments-stupid-tax-war-on-expatriates-2015-02-20?dist=beforebell

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The U.S. government’s stupid tax war on expatriates - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABwdjh )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58711 @ 0.00040207 = 23.6059 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3889 @ 0.00040651 = 1.5809 BTC [+]

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" the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."

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http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1502.2/04059.html

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Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.0-rc1 out.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AByNFS )

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"Because the people have spoken, and while most of it was complete gibberish, numbers don't lie. People preferred 4.0, and 4.0 it shall be. Unless somebody can come up with a good argument against it."

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6179 @ 0.00039867 = 2.4634 BTC [-]

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height=220362 vs height=190061

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<punkman> " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is only 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."// its very simply a new sort of 'wall'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37968 @ 0.00039603 = 15.0365 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.0004092 = 11.6213 BTC [+] {2}

08:54

asciilifeform: RE stuff made in Africa: some of my clothes are made in sub-saharan africa

08:56

lol, "should we really be blaming superfish?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093691

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even thgough im Palestinian and these guys are Israeli, should we really be blam... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wfGUJD )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00040999 = 5.0634 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30402 @ 0.0004124 = 12.5378 BTC [+]

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09:53

http://imgur.com/9otHhB7

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Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsfHD0 )

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https://i.imgur.com/vEpz9Kz.gif

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... ( http://bit.ly/1A0Lypy )

09:57

"i am a white male" orly.

09:59

3rd ¶ reeks of lamarckism

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ahaha young father, is 27.

09:59

what the shit.

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ima use this thing as a teaching aid.

10:01

wait, wants to impregnate woman next month ?

10:01

wtf is wrong with people.

10:03

or 13 months from now

10:03

but by then he'll be 28

10:03

nono he doesn't want to wait a full year

10:03

besides by then dota 5 will be out

10:03

this TLP blog is fun to read but i feel like reading it makes me feel like i understand things better than i actually do

10:04

dota 5? /me cuts off dick, throws in trash

10:04

don't get drastic nubbins`

10:04

your dick can have middle lane.

10:05

better middle lane than middling pain

10:06

oh, here's one about women wearing makeup

10:06

*

nubbins` rubs hands together

10:06

you know back before the world went nuts, my mother was in the maternity ward about to deliver me, as a 22 yo college grad.

10:06

with her, a 17yo and a 18yo

10:06

doctor berated her for "waiting so long!"

10:07

22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less

10:07

"i'm taking a year to find myself"

10:08

"i'm doing __ for my gap year"

10:08

^ why not just be honest to yourself ;/

10:08

ya srsly.

10:08

it was fucking shameful then to not have a degree by 22.

10:08

anyway, my dad was 23 (army). and nofcuking body thought this is young.

10:09

everyone thought this is werdly late, but fucken intellectuals, nutty.

10:11

i'm not sure what romania was like in the late 70s but i feel like the average age of post-secondary graduation directly correlates to how soft things are in that place

10:11

<mircea_popescu> cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming

10:12

nubbins` let me put it this way : romania had mandatory universal male draft.

10:12

9 months IF you went to college. 15 otherwise.

10:12

heh

10:12

a lot can happen in 6 months in the armed forces

10:13

second-best korea still has this, btw

10:13

like what, derpy dude gets weaned ?

10:13

i think it's two years tho

10:13

many countries still do, esp in the east of russia.

10:13

upside of this is that every korean male, at least ostensibly, earned a blackbelt in taekwondo

10:13

i don't believe it's a bad idea. if shiva tasked me with fixing west, it's one of the first things i'd do.

10:14

but, y'know. "earned".

10:14

fail that, castration.

10:14

a universal draft would fix the west?

10:14

wait, no, i see it

10:14

wasn't looking ahead far enough 8)

10:15

nubbins` 9 months with gunnery sargeant hartman, on the understanding that if you fail you get your balls chopped off and spend the rest of your life = the next few years chained to a wall in a brothel for arab fags.

10:15

see, thing is

10:15

meanwhile teh girls can learn useful lyf skills. http://33.media.tumblr.com/66bf2bc1ffec28419c2963ad2ff6f001/tumblr_ngxp86d8to1rdc5oto1_400.gif

10:15

... ( http://bit.ly/1A0OzGE )

10:16

once everyone's in the military, they gotta /do something/ with all these soldiers!

10:16

paint rocks.

10:16

too passive

10:16

have you played dota or just heard of it?

10:16

i think it's a video game

10:16

romania had universal draft for a century, never started a war.

10:16

danielpbarron i just heard of it.

10:16

romania was a different brand of retarded

10:17

you think if the american military suddenly is awash in bodies, they won't start sending them places for the sake of doing it?

10:17

but i think it's the one derived from old warcraft 2, except you get a single hero and no "resources" per se, get wood/gold to level them by killing npcs

10:17

nubbins` i'd be running things, not fucking dod.

10:17

"paint rocks." << there's this idf saying: "if it moves, salute it; if it doesn't, pick it up; if you can't, paint it"

10:17

wood? sounds like die siedler von catan

10:17

i'd have them handpicking cotton if it comes to it.

10:18

nubbins` i meant "resources" as in warcraft2. whatever, vespene gas and the othe rone

10:18

i think in dota it's "gold" and "experience"

10:18

*

nubbins` shrugs helplessly

10:18

pretty much, except it was warcraft3 (some might say it started in starcraft as Aeon of Strife)

10:18

Adlai sounds bout right.

10:18

mircea_popescu you most certainly wouldn't. you'd have them fighting overseas!

10:18

no i wouldn't.

10:19

i'm talking about the "you" that doesn't exist, but in this alternate world where you'd be ostensibly an american in charge of american troops

10:20

the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local

10:20

o look

10:20

either do it right or don't do it.

10:20

machiavelli would say that obama should go live there awhile.

10:20

hey, i wouldn't have any problem living with these dudes.

10:21

it's the New Whiner York that i don't care for.

10:21

traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies there despite the mega-curative 1yr painting grass green

10:21

he said when you conquer, the prince has got to go live there to make the locals happy. and it sounds right to me.

10:22

asciilifeform nevertheless.

10:22

imagine, you sign up for the military, you get the guarantee that you'll be pushing shit uphill for a coupla decades, then when you're fortysomething you get a farm and an ethnic bride.

10:23

worked for rome

10:23

civis romanus sum!

10:23

"army'll make men out of you. dead or alive - that's up to you."

10:23

new slogan.

10:23

none of this "army of one" narcisiac bs.

10:23

mircea_popescu: that one was actually cancelled

10:24

not FPS enough ?

10:24

is it "army of just you" now ?

10:24

iirc the last one i saw was 'be all you can be'

10:24

be all you can be was before army of one as far as i remember

10:24

then dunno

10:25

"army strong" is current

10:25

aww, they missed out on the obvious neuroticism ? "be all you can be. and more." ???

10:25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogans_of_the_United_States_Army

10:25

Slogans of the United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwFmn )

10:25

mike_c apparently reading comprehension on the downtrend huh ?

10:25

maybe next is "Nice. Good."

10:25

army gud 4 u

10:25

gud4u, gud4me!

10:26

i thought boston was strong

10:26

the army is too?

10:26

boston took over.

10:26

*

nubbins` counts bombs

10:26

hmmm

10:26

they're not even allowing those wisconsin and indiana poofters in.

10:26

i occasionally dig into vintage u.s. newspapers, magazines. interestingly, army ads from the '50s-'60s dwell on the 'sharp look' of the uniform.

10:27

'be sharp, look sharp'

10:27

asciilifeform well, that was calculated. what happened in 1945-49 ?

10:27

^ my dad was married in his (canadian) coast guard uniform

10:27

all the kids that were 10 then musta noticed the flurry of panties

10:27

so... gotta sell it.

10:27

sure

10:27

nubbins` what's that like, elk horn hat, maple syrup pants ?

10:27

heh.

10:27

it's almost a wonder that 18th c. 'gussar' uniforms didn't make a comeback

10:27

complete with hat

10:28

double-button jacket w/ gold trim on the cuffs

10:28

epaulettes too, i guess

10:28

asciilifeform honestly, you could make some pretty epic uniforms for the drone flying division

10:28

they're indoors anyway

10:28

mircea_popescu: precisely

10:28

they really ought to wear their napoleonic best

10:28

well, looking like a slob was a lot less acceptable in the 50s-60s too

10:28

it's almost expected now

10:29

asciilifeform traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies << yes. but they're pathologies rather than the fucking core.

10:30

when i worked for (not in, must note) u.s. army, the thing that always got me was the pixellation on their camos

10:30

nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less << took me 7 years to get through GATech. Failed Calculus like 9 times.

10:30

everyone looked like the weakest monster from 'doom'

10:31

punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! you can only target particular proteins, which coke is not.

10:31

also the notion of deploying immune reaction against small molecule...

10:31

asciilifeform mooks lol

10:31

srsly pixels

10:31

cheaper.

10:32

big enough to see from musketry range

10:32

i caught myself wondering if it was designed in 'ms paint'

10:33

how often would you say an us army / marine / etc fights within visual range of anything that'd even remotely qualify as an enemy ?

10:33

creating immune response to small molecules would be hard to controll, you would just end up allergic to everything

10:33

such as i dunno, a bush an enemy pissed on sometime this week

10:33

PeterL fortunately body's smarter than you, won't take.

10:34

*

asciilifeform read up on the cocaine vaccine thing. will note that even if it works as claimed (no blood-brain barrier penetration) - the net effect, if everybody were injected, is simply to multiply the standard dose of coke for man by 1.5x or so

10:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030406 << look at that, marketwatch is reading last year's b-a logs

10:34

Logged on 23-02-2015 13:00:01; punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."

10:35

"So far, the arguments against it seem to have been "major numebr

10:35

should go with a major new feature or breaking of compatibility",

10:35

which just shows how little people know. We don't break compatibility,

10:35

and we haven't done feature-based releases since basically forever."

10:35

gotta love torvalds lol

10:36

asciilifeform so the cocaine sold in usa would now have to be 30-40% pure instead of 20%?

10:36

nubbins`: aha

10:36

that's gonna hit the glucosamine suppliers where it hurts.

10:36

nubbins`: the coke 'barons' would be the first to push for 'vaccine' if it had any threat of working

10:37

(phun phact, gym rats like coke and weighlifting supplements are invariably white powders)

10:38

i guess i will annoy everyone if i say i'm not particularly fond of coke ?

10:38

*

asciilifeform hasn't used it, cannot say if fond or not

10:39

what the fuck is the point of living in wash dc

10:39

srsly now.

10:39

also have never tried coke

10:39

i like things way too much to justify trying it

10:39

besides, i definitely do not want to snort weightlifting supplements

10:40

i don't think you can confuse cocaine with anything else.

10:40

mircea_popescu: i think he're referring to the dilutants

10:41

so buy it clean cut it with sugar.

10:41

iirc this is not usually possible in small quantity

10:42

sorta like asking to have -one- aluminum cd pressed.

10:42

eh get out. they won't tell you this, but a good half of the captured stuff - on the street - is actually pure.

10:42

"so buy it clean" o.O

10:42

mircea_popescu: captured from dealers

10:43

^

10:43

"dealers" doesn't mean what it used to mean 30 years ago.

10:43

it is, as i understand, a severe taboo among them, to sell it undiluted

10:43

people are so fucking poor now a bag qualifies you as a wholesaler.

10:43

someone who isn't me has witnessed dealers receive new shipment, open bag, set several spoonfuls aside for sef, then dump 8-10 tbsp of random white in there

10:43

*self

10:44

if pure cocaine was sold here, people would overdose

10:44

nubbins` pure is the safest by far.

10:44

i suppose if you have any schooling whatsoever, you can recrystallize it if you want

10:44

otherwise you accidentally hit a 50% as if it were a 20% and bam

10:44

asciilifeform you don't need schooling to make crack

10:44

mircea_popescu pure being the only thing around is safest, sure.

10:44

but dealers care less about safe and more about $$

10:45

recrystallize != use it as crystal

10:45

necessarily

10:45

do you think that guy even googled "can you snort glucosamine" before cutting his stash?

10:45

because i know for a fact that he didn't

10:45

actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag and dumb ho hitting it as if it were the stuff she normally gets in clubs

10:45

mircea_popescu that was actually a bag of white heroin :D

10:45

that the girl snorted as coke

10:45

o it was ?

10:45

ya

10:45

yeah right, cause he was shooting it up yeah

10:46

hence her heart stopping, 3 stabs to chest, etc

10:46

right

10:46

("no! you only stab her once!")

10:46

that was so fucking stupiod.

10:46

but for srs, people have heart attacks on coke all the time

10:46

what was that needle made out of, neutronium ?

10:46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracardiac_injection

10:46

Intracardiac injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnD40P )

10:47

nubbins`: folks also have heart attacks in exercise, in the shitter, while shovelling dirt, etc.

10:47

asciilifeform: now imagine today's exercise/shit/dirt pile is at 100% (or even 80%) strength instead of 20%

10:47

but it looks the same

10:47

nubbins`: well yes

10:48

:D

10:48

asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow.

10:48

this is why the purity of coke will not rise

10:48

goes back inside, warmth, poof.

10:48

nubbins`: opiate users typically od, paradoxically, after successfully quitting and then doing a bit again 'for old time's sake'

10:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00039322 = 1.4942 BTC [-] {2}

10:48

^

10:48

but that's heroin.

10:48

asciilifeform some of my favourite musicians died this way

10:48

they take their customary dose, having lost the tolerance

10:48

bradley nowell, 1996, 7 days after marriage

10:48

aha this is specific to opium

10:49

e.g, death of vysotsky

10:49

$bids mpoe

10:49

ah

10:49

opiate users can reach terrifically high levels of tolerance

10:49

to the point where a dose lethal in another man will maybe stop their headache.

10:49

lethal in elephant

10:49

*

nubbins` pulls out remaining stops

10:50

lethal in elephant!

10:50

anyway, worth noting that most recording musicians who tried heroin produced some of their best work while in the depths

10:51

anyway, clean gets you rid of all the stupid shit, anti worm medicine, drywall, w/e the fuck

10:51

^

10:51

reminds me of the time SWIM bought some adulterated marijuana

10:51

(not kidding)

10:51

i've always wondered why american dope aficionados don't follow the 1980s soviet example and all switch to making (or at least refining) what they use personally

10:52

y'know how good dope has that covered-in-crystal look from all the resin-y trichomes?

10:52

and speaking of which... everyone i suppose is familiar with the otherworldly beauty of potassium permanganate ?

10:52

(the first popular dope in ussr was what is today called meth, but there was no market in the usual sense. folks who took it, usually made it)

10:52

well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline...

10:52

asciilifeform got as better question for you. why do us dumb broads not switch to cooking at home ?

10:52

"oh, its a recession" "learned how to cook yet ?" "wut?!?!?!"

10:52

asciilifeform lack of skill.

10:52

asciilifeform:

10:52

;;google krokodil

10:52

Krokodil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krokodil>; Krokodil (Desomorphine) Drug: Effects, Abuse & Warnings - Drugs ...: <http://www.drugs.com/illicit/krokodil.html>; The World's Deadliest Drug: Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse | TIME: <http://time.com/3398086/the-worlds-deadliest-drug-inside-a-krokodil-cookhouse/>

10:52

mircea_popescu: no idea. the woman - cooks

10:52

that's what they're cooking at home these days

10:53

yeah but you two aren't really people. you're in here.

10:53

nubbins`: when opiates took off, the approach failed

10:53

no krokodil here, too many prescription opiates to abuse

10:53

until they took oxycontin off the market

10:54

and all the addicts just vanished

10:54

not because harder to synthesize, but because not a performance-enhancer that sets one going strong in the kitchen thinking of new methods

10:54

OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T

10:54

is this krokodil thing actually as widely used as teh "horrors in russia" ussa press makes it sound /

10:54

heh

10:54

opiates are definitely not a production-enhancer

10:54

mircea_popescu seems like meth in the usa -- cheap, so poor destitute people in poor destitute towns love it

10:54

there's a short Vice documentary on it, if you can stand to watch

10:55

mircea_popescu: my impression is that it isn't. just a very marginal synthesis with the byproducts left in, with various grotesque 'zombie' aesthetic of decaying user. makes up in sensationalism for what lacks in actual 'epidemiology.'

10:55

;;google vice krokodil

10:55

Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length>; Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <http://www.vice.com/video/siberia-krokodil-tears-part-1>; Krokodil: Russia's Deadliest Drug (NSFW) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsUH8llvTZo>

10:55

^

10:55

nubbins` yeah i totally want to hear what vice has to say o.O

10:55

heh.

10:55

thye show people cooking it!

10:55

fact is, every modern product 'for the poor' is a kind of krokodil

10:55

"now we add the eye drops" "why?" "makes it stronger"

10:55

...

10:56

"now we collapse a major vein in our arms"

10:57

"why ? "

10:57

"makes it stronger"

10:57

heh

10:57

anyway, as actually derpy as everything Vice produces is

10:57

'stronger', if means anything, probably meant 'burns more when injected'

10:57

the krokodil doc is gross enough to distract from it

10:58

asciilifeform definitely was not an ingredient in the reaction they were trying to make occur.

10:58

something along the lines of the "chili powder" meth in breaking bad

10:58

"So what the hell do we buy now? HP's quality has hit rock bottom and is starting to dig, Lenovo is doing their best to destroy the Thinkpad brand, Asus is incapable of making a device without at least one fatal flaw... is Apple the only one making laptops that aren't garbage anymroe?"

10:58

methinks the consumer has a legitimate question

10:58

except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream

10:58

"what should i get for this weekend, meth or krok ?!~?!?!"

10:58

mircea_popescu: to which there is no answer

10:58

not for him anyway.

10:58

or rather, the answer from the film 'war games'

10:59

<nubbins`> except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream << Sometimes actually used in this manner

10:59

'the only winning move is: not to play'

10:59

BingoBoingo :0 i guess the chili powder will work about as well as the eyedrops, then

10:59

;;ticker

10:59

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.82, Best ask: 236.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.72000, Last trade: 236.57, 24 hour volume: 7044.67533017, 24 hour low: 232.05, 24 hour high: 238.87, 24 hour vwap: 235.887385513

10:59

the basic concept, as PeterL (chemist?) will attest, is that a synthesis doesn't necessarily (and most often) produce only one thing. each step will result in one or more unwanted substances, including everything that failed to react in previous steps

11:00

some of the costliest operations in traditional pharma industry are recrystallizations/purifications

11:01

hence for every type of -synthetic- (vs. refined from vegetation) dope, there is at least one 'krokodilian' variant where the folks making it didn't see it fit to bother with this detail.

11:01

and todays propaganda prize goes to: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-diets-in-the-world-10057363.html

11:01

Revealed: the countries with the best and worst diets in the world - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnH69o )

11:01

(anybody else here take o-chem in school... other than PeterL and i)

11:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7589 @ 0.00039394 = 2.9896 BTC [+]

11:02

Took a semester of o-chem in highschool

11:03

asciilifeform when i was in colombia, there was a byproduct called "bazouk" or similar

11:03

made from leavings of the coca process

11:03

aha refinement waste, yes, also exists

11:03

colombia 7/10 would not revisit

11:03

sometimes for o-chem reaction a 40% yield is a good day

11:04

and not only for dope. in usa restaurants have been selling 'fashionable' multi-grain bread. which i fully expect is made from shavings of cutting other kinds of bread at the bakeries

11:04

chetty: Mega lol, Africa wins nutrition

11:04

heh.

11:04

PeterL: 40% is a dream for 'cellar chemists'

11:04

betcha they use white flour with a handful of other grains mixed in

11:04

who lack Pd/Pt catalysts, high-pressure vessels, even a proper vacuum

11:05

and hence are more or less stuck with 1840s state of the art

11:05

*

nubbins` adds wheat germ, crushed flax, hempseed, rolled oats to bread

11:06

and it costs 20% of what store-bought devitaminized bread does!

11:06

on some multi-step reactions, think 50% yield 4 times, and you are lucky to have 6% of what you started with

11:06

aha

11:07

alot of what I was doing the past 3 years involved trying to get %yields higher

11:07

and the remaining filling in the flask, hasn't gone anywhere, but has to be removed somehow.

11:07

this is what the clandestine chemists don't always bother with.

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32898 @ 0.0004124 = 13.5671 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

11:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11178 @ 0.0004124 = 4.6098 BTC [+]

11:35

asciilifeform> (anybody else here take o-chem in school << originally, 9yo me despised ochem, because no great flames like sulphur | potassium chloride etc.

11:35

then me discovered nitropaper.

11:35

chetty so who has best diet ? japan ?

11:37

"Regarding the VCs, I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well. What where they pitched?"

11:37

mircea_popescu: The list is all African countries.

11:38

motherfucker, why does everyone want to indemnify the vcs ? they're absolutely the only guilty party in all this.

11:38

asciilifeform: i have elementary knowledge of O-Chem. I love dat ATP Synthase (but who doesn't?)

11:39

The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia

11:40

eh gtfo.

11:40

what was this based on, "Fewest fat fucks" ?

11:40

Prolly

11:41

"The most reliable street test in my opinion is actually the smell of cocaine, as it has a very distinct aroma that none of the additives possess. Unfortunately, for reference, this requires you to have smelt a lot of different cocaine of certain purities, and very few people have had that opportunity. Personally, I think I could estimate cocaine purity from its scent and from looking at and tasting a few milligrams, b

11:41

ut Ive also handled quite a lot of different batches with known purities."

11:41

heh. known since forever.

11:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00041453 = 3.0882 BTC [+] {2}

11:48

and in the daily wtf : http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif

11:48

... ( http://bit.ly/1AClSDq )

11:51

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coujwz2

11:52

Netzapper comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACmDwh )

11:53

mircea_popescu> actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag << pulp fiction doesn't "revolve around" anything -- kinda the point

11:54

mircea_popescu> asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow. << LOL i just did such a thing / felt like i was gonna have a heart attack :/

11:54

it's dangerous. cool temperatures favor clot formation

11:57

!up cjc

11:58

BingoBoingo, thanks for the !up

12:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19001 @ 0.00040365 = 7.6698 BTC [-]

12:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00041496 = 3.7969 BTC [+]

12:13

danielpbarron: re Pulp Fiction << revolves around that suitcase mainly, cept for "interlude of chick OD'ing"

12:14

danielpbarron: i still have nightmares about that butt rape scene.

12:14

"Are you okay?" "Nah man." "I'm pretty fucking far from okay."

12:14

Mr. About-to-spend-the-rest-of-his-short-life-in-agonizing-pain

12:15

i wouldn't say it revolves around the suitcase

12:15

the suitcase doesn't have much to do with the fixed boxing match

12:16

i suppose all the different plots relate to marcellus wallace

12:16

yea that interlude is only connected after jules retires and delivers the suitcase

12:17

(the guy who gets butt raped)

12:17

Yea I mean Wallace gets butt raped after he retrieves the suitcase. If that has any significance...I dunno

12:18

"does he look like a bitch", well zed fucked him like one. Zed's dead, but you know...

12:18

hah

12:18

There is fixation with ass there... the story of the watch is another one.

12:19

oh christopher walken

12:19

you guise are making me miss the 90's

12:25

yeah, pulp fiction revolves around tarantino's latent homosexuality.

12:25

One of the problems with the 90s was... when I bought Pulp Fiction as the first DVD I purchased ever... it was in letterbox format.

12:25

I had to wait several more years for it to be in high-def on home video.

12:25

mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! << nuh uh I went to school and even paid attention sometimes!

12:26

well can you name any tropane alkaloid that has an immune response associated ?

12:27

nope

12:28

by far the vast majority of immune response is to proteins. the difference is about two degrees of magnitude in molecular weight.

12:28

some immune response is to an assortment of polysaccharids etc, but still.

12:28

(one of the cocaine vaccines uses big cholera protein to deliver cocaine molecule)

12:29

http://protcalc.sourceforge.net/ << this is pretty neat too.

12:29

... ( http://bit.ly/17r4A1W )

12:31

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3738214/ this one ?

12:31

Interception of Cocaine by Enzyme or Antibody Delivered with Viral Gene Transfer: A Novel Strategy for Preventing Relapse in Recovering Drug Users ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4Xtr )

12:33

nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline... << if only the retards came up with saline. I've read about some assholes using spray with glass beads (the kind used to make shiny road paint) that would penetrate the flowers.

12:34

"Since cocaine must dissociate from antibody before it can be metabolized, either in plasma or liver, such results seem surprising. " I'm willing to bet they misread the data, dun actually have a response at all, but hey.

12:42

!up hollywoodundead

12:42

hollywoodundead

thank you

12:45

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/hacking-burning-man-tickets/ "I need to have a ticket to go camping in the desert"

12:45

Hackers Cut in Line at the Burning Man Ticket Sale—And Get Caught | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/17r7Udw )

12:47

Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/

12:48

"The Pirate Bay is bringing back moderators to delete spam accounts and fake Torrents" << agents finding new day jobs ?

12:48

Bet placed: 1.00018 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.00018 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.

12:48

pete_dushenski: what would that get them?

12:49

plant broken seeds, remove functional ones

12:49

malware, spyware, etc.

12:51

Bet created: "10% or greater incremental difficulty increase before June" http://bitbet.us/bet/1124/

13:01

Bet placed: 2.01644788 BTC for No on "10% or greater incremental difficulty increase before June" http://bitbet.us/bet/1124/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.11644788 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.

13:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87785 @ 0.00041664 = 36.5747 BTC [+] {4}

13:09

"Areva, the French nuclear technology giant, warned on Monday that it was facing a loss of a magnitude that raises doubts about its ability to continue operations without an injection of state funds to restore its capital. The state-controlled company expects a 2014 net loss of about 4.9 billion euros, or $5.6 billion, from a loss of €500 million a year earlier." << blame the japs!

13:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00041988 = 3.8629 BTC [+]

13:09

though nuclear must be one hell of a tough industry

13:15

actually it's cheap romanian electricity.

13:15

eu market got integrated, lot of excess capacity in the east, there it goes.

13:16

putin is hurting the west with cheap energy about 10x more than whatever "sanctions"

13:20

is romanian leccy natural gas ?

13:21

a good chunk is actually nuclear

13:21

(france supported ro bid to eu chiefly because they needed ro heavy water).

13:21

but plenty hydrocarbons.

13:22

my foggy memory of the romanian countryside is now clearning up..

13:22

i do recall seeing a few nuclear plants now

13:23

french design, neh ?

13:23

candu

13:23

http://www.transelectrica.ro/widget/web/tel/sen-harta/-/harta_WAR_SENOperareHartaportlet << this is actually trhe current data

13:23

Harta ... ( http://bit.ly/18g8WtQ )

13:23

currently exporting 1gw

13:24

lol actually, ro used candu (canadian)

13:24

(a lot more in summer due to hydro and less hydrocarbon usage for heating)

13:24

at least at Cernavodă

13:24

<mircea_popescu> candu ^^

13:24

mircea_popescu yup! my bad!

13:25

you're too fast for me

13:25

!up ascii_field

13:25

ty BingoBoingo

13:25

http://cryptome.org/2015/02/wapo-BillCaseyHoneyPot.htm << mega-trololol

13:25

https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << in which we find most hn readers are pakistani ?

13:25

Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )

13:25

mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, ^^

13:27

Would you like a MIRRORED COPY OF YOUR OWN DATABASE? FROM THAT ERA? WE HAVE IT DO YOU?

13:27

lol. they don't, obv.

13:27

ascii_field: One of the lizards got drunk on the interent?

13:28

BingoBoingo: lizardEliza

13:28

"DOJ - Do you have ANY IDEA - WHAT IS ON THAT TAPE ? DO YOU ? UNITED STATES ENDS ON 1 SINGLE 3/4 INCH TAPE. ENTIRE SOVEREIGN CURRENCY ENDS

13:28

"

13:28

lol

13:28

lolk

13:29

"United States Department of State has YET TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LLAMACOIN "

13:29

this guy's too good

13:29

maybe he's on reddit

13:30

maybe he's on lice powder.

13:31

let's play however.

13:31

imagine actual 3/4 inch tape

13:31

therefore almost certainly, a 'u-matic'

13:31

do i need to quote at you ?

13:32

yes

13:33

"That's what it is. There's no such thing as "an idea", for damn sure."

13:33

that tape, it's nothing but a fetish of "an idea".

13:33

well sure

13:33

"You can't have an idea. It's not a thing, not something to "have". It's not like a chocolate cake, you get your hands on it that's that, it's yours."

13:33

"oh what if i make it a chocolate tape then!!1"

13:33

not how this works.

13:33

trying to reverse-engineer the theatrical props here

13:34

to see in what kind of studio the production was filmed.

13:34

of the fantasy.

13:34

you mean the commenter's ?

13:34

aha

13:34

he sounds like run of the mill overstimulated geek to me.

13:34

usually there are obvious technical gaffes

13:34

in these

13:34

all the way down to "imagine all the people derping in harmonee"

13:34

*

ascii_field connoisseur

13:35

you mean ascii field_connoisseur ?

13:35

mircea_popescu: yes but that's normal acid trip not technical gaffe

13:35

separate the two

13:35

aite.

13:40

"Monsanto said Wednesday its earnings fell 34% in its first fiscal quarter" << fucken derps following cisco to the grave. such paper signers.

13:42

ascii_field so anything good ?

13:42

it's short enough, just read it

13:42

good lulz

13:43

i skimmed. was curious more in the method of separating the two, if meaningfully applicable.

13:44

ELL ME - TELL ME - / TELL ME - TELL ME - TORN - MORNING / E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494 / THAT KEY should SCARE THE LIVING HELL OUT OF CIA / GO AHEAD - PUSH IT

13:44

;;google E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494

13:44

No matches found.

13:45

128b.

13:45

http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xE4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494

13:45

v3 srsly ?

13:46

iirc there was once support for 128b md5 fp

13:48

yeh. while ago.

13:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00041953 = 3.2425 BTC [-] {2}

13:49

and which loftus ?

13:49

pediwikia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus_(author) ?

13:49

John Loftus (author) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/18gazrD )

13:50

imo this is pointless wankery.

13:50

not if we spoodge

13:50

!b 8

13:50

Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1H76FXN.txt )

13:51

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/03/economy_where_we_go_from_here.html << tlp's sufferances as an amateur financier on an etrade account, and his efforts to cope and come to terms with it is a whole opera in and of itself.

13:51

The Last Psychiatrist: Economy: Where We Go From Here ... ( http://bit.ly/18gaLqJ )

13:52

the clock ad on that site is hilarious

13:52

funny how the otherwise very competent psych does not feel comfortable taking off the coat and hat, and waddling in the mud modestly like http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif any amateur.

13:52

... ( http://bit.ly/1DeJUWm )

13:52

it's 1500 again and clocks have one hand ?

13:52

it has ads ?

13:57

!up ascii_field

13:57

ty BingoBoingo

13:58

Oh reddit disappeared, but didn't really delete a qntra link... again

13:58

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/

13:58

The Superfish Funder List : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeLDuA )

13:58

lol

13:59

No longer visible on pages

13:59

programming, this time. clearly it's happening without the subreddit mod's knowledge, there's no overlap about bitcoin tards and programmers.

13:59

mind leaving a link to log on article discussing this for future ?

14:00

'...the Venture Capital Firms which made Superfish possible...' << lol! amerika where even spamware tr0j4n needs vc investment

14:00

can i get vc funding to sp4m l1k3 4 pr0? plz?

14:02

you gotta eat a lot of conference salty biscuit first.

14:02

very salty

14:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041988 = 2.8132 BTC [+]

14:02

mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/#comment-11390

14:02

The Superfish Funder List | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeN509 )

14:03

bukkakiscuit

14:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16051 @ 0.0004202 = 6.7446 BTC [+]

14:03

BingoBoingo i meant http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/ and http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/

14:03

"These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkIB )

14:03

It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkYW )

14:09

mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coup87o

14:09

ButterNubber comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/18gcaO0 )

14:09

'cryptome' under extra-thick ddos today...

14:09

ascii_field: Noticed that a few hours ago

14:11

BingoBoingo i meant the other way :D

14:13

mircea_popescu: Ah, now I'm more confused than ever

14:13

:)

14:14

i just want a functional reference point tree for when this topic is discussed in future. currently, my go-to link for "reddit manipulation" is either the trilema or the qntrea article. it's beneficial if they somewhere (like in comments) have a link to a later case they didn't substantially cover

14:16

at 'hackernews' hand-twiddling the story ratings and outright burial ordered from above has been sop since day one. but the reddit cesspool has generally been left alone (other than by armies of muppets, electric and meat alike) until recently.

14:23

;;bc,stats

14:24

14:27

re: sata on netbsd: i get same effect (garbage read for drive manuf. name and lba max params on init) if plugging in sata drive on original uboot console

14:27

(in uboot shell)

14:27

there's some magic init trick

14:28

!up ascii_field

14:28

danke BingoBoingo!

14:29

http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << does not provide a smash-your-face-obvious clue re: above

14:29

... ( http://bit.ly/18gdAbr )

14:29

if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)

14:30

the original marvell-patched kernel mod is mega-gnarly

14:30

(the one on pogo's www)

14:33

!up jdkll

14:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31185 @ 0.00042051 = 13.1136 BTC [+] {2}

14:39

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/

14:40

The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really

14:40

http://zitseng.com/archives/7489

the whole 'shutdown' circus is wholly for show.

14:42

jurov

14:42

The Mac Facilitates Spying Too | Zit Seng's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/17rt2Ak )

14:43

jurov

apple is such a whore with 214 root certs preinstalled?

14:43

ascii_field: But in fiat land with monthly bill payments, even a delay can be catastrophic to the stooge

14:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041893 = 4.1893 BTC [-]

14:44

jurov: i still don't get why usg would use anything other than the most 'respectable' root certs ('verisign' et al) for their shenanigans

14:44

NewLiberty

'Jeh C. Johnson, the Homeland Security secretary, said that it was “indulging in a fantasy to believe you can shut down the Department of Homeland Security and there be no impact to homeland security itself.”' Sure it might become more secure when the security theater show ends and people start taking personal responsibility.

14:45

deniability? sure, 'umm sorry taiwanese factory, umm, lost, signing key' a la stuxnet

14:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00042123 = 6.5501 BTC [+]

14:50

jurov

cryptome is down.. are we the new slashdot?

14:59

literal butthurt http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--05KKQCHQ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wjqk8l4uyrlvvu5c8svh.jpg

14:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1a6PvEo )

14:59

!up ascii_field

15:00

ty BingoBoingo

15:07

!up wayne

15:07

Hello wayne

15:08

thanks for the +v

15:08

hi

15:10

ello

15:11

<ascii_field> The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really << check it out, usg trying to steal b-a.

15:12

they still get paid

15:12

(but no interest on late wages, iirc)

15:12

yaya.

15:12

and they don't clock in 'for the motherland' but to keep the job

15:13

what is this channel for? general btc discussion? the website is a big ambiguous.

15:13

bit, rather

15:13

this is where bitcoin policy is set.

15:13

generally you are expected to read the logs for the next year to get acclimated.

15:14

hey joecool

15:15

felipelalli

wayne: the rule here is: read the full log and back next year. We'll wait.

15:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22448 @ 0.00041923 = 9.4109 BTC [-]

15:16

felipelalli

(PS: I'm still reading)

15:17

don't worry if you miss a day, someone will point it out (happens to me all the time)

15:18

so everyone starts reading from april 26th?

15:20

sometimes april 1st

15:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11036 @ 0.00041893 = 4.6233 BTC [-]

15:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00041892 = 2.8755 BTC [-]

15:27

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/

15:28

for my curiosity, anyone still remember the elizabeth smart thing ? "kidnapped" 14yo utah blondie goes to party with "kidnappers" etc ?

15:29

apud Ballas : "I know, I know, she's only 15-- terrified, Stockholm Syndrome, etc. And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her, I didn't live her life. Though that brings us back to the black teen: why is fear an acceptable explanation for poor judgment, but anger is not? (Hint: they're both not.)"

15:29

in point of fact you can readily distinguish the male dominated society from the female dominated society, because they each succumb to their own foibles.

15:30

in dudeland anger is accepted explanation, fear is not. in broadland, the reverse.

15:30

yes, they're both not. hasn't yet happened on god's green earth tho.

15:30

!up ascii_field

15:31

ty BingoBoingo!

15:31

wayne well not everyone joins at the same time.

15:31

and speaking of which, http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif

15:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1B63dSs )

15:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9086 @ 0.00041892 = 3.8063 BTC [-]

15:34

wayne, good day to start is when voice requirement was introduced

15:35

also the search engine is great for finding interesting threads from the past

15:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14914 @ 0.00041431 = 6.179 BTC [-] {2}

15:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18415 @ 0.00040134 = 7.3907 BTC [-]

15:47

And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her// the root of much evil in this world

15:49

quite.

15:50

i also have no right to calculate sun's orbit, as i'm no sun.

15:50

!b 3

15:50

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GT5FC4.txt )

15:50

this is techniucally correct, i have NO RIGHT. nor do i wish to have such a right, fuck rights with a solder rifle.

15:50

i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.

15:51

!up ascii_field

15:51

ty thestringpuller!

15:51

!up wayne

15:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00040134 = 1.0375 BTC [-]

15:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00039851 = 1.2015 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

16:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004136 = 1.9853 BTC [+]

16:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00041923 = 4.8002 BTC [+]

16:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00039851 = 4.4434 BTC [-]

16:26

!up Jezzz

16:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15335 @ 0.00039851 = 6.1112 BTC [-]

16:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20581 @ 0.00039845 = 8.2005 BTC [-]

16:46

!up plonky

16:50

thank BingoBoingo

16:50

just created new gpg keypair

16:50

and registered to gribble

16:50

im hegemoOn

16:50

mircea_popescu: re your asshole post. I believe GOOG split in the meantime..

16:51

but anyway new nickname, as far as i lost my previous gpg key associated with hegemoOn

16:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00041186 = 6.0408 BTC [+] {3}

16:53

!gettrust plonky

16:53

plonky is not registered in WoT.

16:54

i just ;;eauth

16:54

*

danielpbarron shrugs

16:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8783 @ 0.00042149 = 3.7019 BTC [+] {3}

16:54

22:50:10 gribble | You are now authenticated for user plonky with key BACBCE400996EB88

16:55

plonky, which bot responded to me when I typed '!gettrust' ?

16:55

assbot

16:55

!

16:55

athereyougo

16:55

!help

16:55

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

17:04

seems the fingerprint of my key isnt satisfying assbot

17:05

mike_c hm, i remember them wanting to for years but then they got sued not to

17:05

never heard that being ruled on so i just asumed they dropped it.

17:05

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html

17:05

Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/17P0BMv )

17:05

that pic lol.

17:06

in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live.

17:08

mike_c turns out they did last year. thanks!

17:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039447 = 7.5738 BTC [-]

17:11

yw.

17:11

;;ident plonky

17:11

Nick 'plonky', with hostmask 'plonky!~plonky@shell.netmonk.org', is identified as user 'plonky', with GPG key id BACBCE400996EB88, key fingerprint 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88, and bitcoin address None

17:12

plonky, are you using this one ----------^

17:12

ok

17:15

try it in here so kakobrekla can see

17:17

!up plonky

17:17

!register plonky 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

17:17

That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.

17:19

maybe im too stupid

17:19

http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88 it's valid alright

17:20

yeah it's me :)

17:21

no name

17:21

try !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

17:22

!register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88

17:22

Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88. This may take a few moments.

17:22

Key 0996EB88 / "netmonk <netmonk@netmonk.org>" successfully imported.

17:22

Registration successful.

17:23

ok so my trust is 0

17:24

so pretty useless at the moment !

17:24

ty mircea_popescu

17:24

and danielpbarron

17:24

so what do you do ?

17:26

well, don't know :) i can ask fluffypony to rate me again :)

17:27

!gettrust hegemoOn

17:27

Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/hegemoOn | http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn

17:27

plonky you do archlinux ?

17:28

mircea_popescu: yes :)

17:28

you can find me on the archwiki

17:28

in the security team :)

17:28

and few commint on other topic

17:28

peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while, prolly can help with that

17:28

pogoplug ?

17:28

plonky, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030941

17:28

Logged on 23-02-2015 19:29:52; ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)

17:29

there is a bug in netbsd regarding sata drives that archlinux does not have

17:30

well, kernel are compiled and distributed as binary

17:30

as far you know on archlinux

17:30

but a mail on mailing list could help or /join #archlinux

17:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14861 @ 0.00039443 = 5.8616 BTC [-]

17:35

bitstein

Assbot should have a reminder command.

17:35

bitstein

!remind 5 years this tweet: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/569936267397500928

17:35

/hashtag/blockchains?src=hash are a friggin database technology; 5 years down I doubt any users will care what the underlying network token is

17:37

i bet ascii_field is asciilifeform ?

17:37

plonky: did you break your GPG?

17:37

fluffypony: yeah

17:37

;;rated hegemoon

17:37

You rated user hegemoon on Wed Jul 2 08:48:10 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: smooth PPEUR for XMR trade, no issues.

17:38

it was a time monero was meaning something :)

17:38

170 euros, 200 monero iirc

17:38

;;rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

17:38

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user plonky has been recorded.

17:38

:)

17:39

thanks sir

17:39

*

danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large assbot

17:39

oh

17:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9536 @ 0.00039998 = 3.8142 BTC [+]

17:39

!rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

17:39

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/30df173af3bcc2ef

17:39

thanks again

17:39

how do I verify the rating?

17:40

(once the string has been decrypted I mean)

17:40

!v

17:40

Need a decrypted verification string.

17:40

!v assbot:fluffypony.rate.plonky.1:2dc1b7ff690f2bd0c195b81db1a34d09eaefb5da684e8997ff0eaa8f861c0589

17:40

Successfully added a rating of 1 for plonky with note: PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account

17:40

thanks danielpbarron

17:40

things and strings go in the V

17:42

!up ascii_field

17:42

ty BingoBoingo!

17:43

mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while << actually, we - or, rather me - have been trying to get it -off- arch

17:43

because it's a fucking hog

17:43

did the mystery bit ever get resolved ?

17:43

not yet

17:44

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/linux

17:44

svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQmCt6 )

17:44

*

ascii_field schmuck occupied all day with PayingWork (tm)

17:44

this one is the answer

17:44

with all the patch included to kernel compilation in archlinux

17:44

plonky: do you know for certain that this is the very same arch as was published (see log) for use on 'pogo' ?

17:45

if you can explain what mean "for use on pogo", i would understand better :)

17:46

or wtf

17:46

plonky, http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4

17:46

Pogoplug Series 4 | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADCAlV )

17:46

that's an x86 build script

17:46

(what plonky linked to)

17:46

ok

17:46

nothing whatsoever to do with us

17:46

i better understand :)

17:46

so /join #archlinux-arm

17:47

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danielpbarron stabs plonky

17:49

http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-kirkwood-latest.tar.gz << is probably the binary

17:49

!up plonky

17:49

but where's the source

17:50

ascii_field: which arm version ?

17:50

!s bucket

17:50

108 results for 'bucket' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bucket

17:50

plonky: Arm v5, pogoplug v4

17:50

ascii_field: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/PKGBUILD

17:50

PKGBUILDs/PKGBUILD at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQo8vi )

17:50

this is the pkgbuild of the kernel

17:50

plonky, others: it isn't just a question of 'which arm'

17:50

(5)

17:51

but specific system-on-chip that has all the peripherals

17:51

http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf

17:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1FQogel )

17:51

^ described here

17:51

the ethernet, sata, usb, etc. are all on same die

17:51

but it's a little-endian arm 5, yes.

17:51

ascii_field: ok look at my url, it point to the kernel config of kirkwood release !

17:52

ty plonky

17:52

that's probably it.

17:52

will have to build and run the damn thing to be sure

17:52

if one of you folks with free time want to do this - appreciated.

17:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00040963 = 2.0232 BTC [+]

17:56

mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live << what was the detonation velocity ?

17:57

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plonky switched from archlinux-arm to cubian on his cubieboard btw

17:57

in other news from the lulzfarms, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-world-espionage-snowden-guardian-mi6-cia-ssa-mossad-iran-southafrica-leak-150218100147229.html

17:57

The Spy Cables: A glimpse into the world of espionage - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpK8w )

17:58

plonky: ultimate goal is netbsd with maximally stripped down kernel and scarcely any userland at all beyond bitcoind

17:58

whole shebang should weigh a couple of MB gzipped.

17:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27561 @ 0.00040963 = 11.2898 BTC [+]

17:59

i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now

17:59

neat trick, that

18:01

i think i finally bricked a pogo; rebooted the one with the netconsole thing setup (which has worked in the past) and now i get nothing out of it :<

18:02

"bricked" // i'll just use this one when my usb thingy arrives

18:02

https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch

18:03

PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQr0Zg )

18:03

ascii_field: lot of SATA reference in this patchfile

18:06

nevermind false alarm

18:07

https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch#L8563 << possibly this

18:07

PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADHuiZ )

18:08

is it similar behaviour you have on netbsd ?

18:08

i mean stop of work after few minutes ?

18:08

never works at all

18:09

so probably not

18:09

and what does the netbsd guy say ?

18:09

and on second thought we don't have a 88sx7042 either

18:09

scoopbot -fetch

18:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00042192 = 13.4592 BTC [+] {2}

18:09

netbsd guy ?

18:10

yeah netbsd developpers, who are in charge of arm support

18:11

because it's easy to have a kernel booting and displaying lines in console

18:11

plonky, do you know of any such people in the WoT?

18:11

but a bit harder to have a full hardware support

18:11

danielpbarron: not that i know

18:12

i mean, sending email to the right mailing list explaining your problem

18:12

can bring the official dev support

18:12

http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=%3Ckiyohara%40NetBSD.org%3E&op=index&exact=on

18:12

^ him

18:12

anyone's guess if he has the time, inclination, or this particular piece of hardware to even try

18:13

!up ascii_field

18:13

ty BingoBoingo

18:13

http://www.netbsd.org/mailinglists/#port-arm

18:13

NetBSD mailing lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADIGmo )

18:14

plonky: the one thing definitely known is that the bug is specific to this one particular marvell soc

18:14

one of my systema trainer once told me : if you don't ask, you will never get answer

18:14

ascii_field about the same as an unladden swallow

18:14

(was gas thing, killed a guy_

18:14

mircea_popescu: i thought your tool gave a number

18:15

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/court-no-surveillance-records-for-fbi-terrorist/

18:15

i don't personally do everything!

18:15

l0l

18:15

*

ascii_field does

18:15

i tend to limit what i personally do to women.

18:16

good idea if engineering-practical

18:16

plonky looky, the question here is whether you can be useful not whether he needs some advice.

18:16

i was just about to say.

18:17

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ascii_field does not need to be told, usually, that 'it works better if you plug it in'

18:17

and neither do the other folks in #b-a

18:17

but to be fair: plonky found for me what i asked for

18:17

(the archturd)

18:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13003 @ 0.00040388 = 5.2517 BTC [-] {2}

18:25

alright

18:26

i will keep advice for myself, no offense.

18:28

plonky: It takes time to get to know what advice might be useful as opposed to being noise, that's what the reading is for.

18:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23729 @ 0.00039355 = 9.3385 BTC [-] {3}

18:30

New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitrated-launches-web-of-trust-abomination/

18:39

i got my pogo to load asciilifeform's netbsd.ub over ftp, and it stops at "Starting kernel ..." // is this step supposed to get a long time?

18:40

take*

~ 16 minutes ~

18:56

i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets

18:57

end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.

18:57

because abandonware.

18:59

!up plonky

18:59

!up arvicco

19:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039234 = 9.0631 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

19:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003916 = 17.25 BTC [-] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

19:46

danielpbarron: what kind of output were you expecting to see without a serial cable ?!

20:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00039479 = 9.929 BTC [+]

20:02

asciilifeform, none; just confirming my expectations

20:03

is the netcat thing even needed?

20:04

danielpbarron: it's needed if you have no serial cable and want to screw with uboot

20:04

otherwise not at all.

20:05

unrelated/historical >> http://coldwar-ct.com/ATT_Chesterfield.html << 'not a bunker w/out spring mounted toilet!'

20:05

ATT Chesterfield ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQ597 )

20:08

i wonder what they think "nuclear hardened" means.

20:08

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2008/08/10/118719/mysterious-cold-war-bunker-closes.html#.VOvOc3W9_fs << related

20:08

Mysterious Cold War bunker closes | CharlotteObserver.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQpov )

20:09

(architectural/historical interest)

20:09

5feet doesn't sound like much.

20:09

asciilifeform: I find the historical bunker bezzel fascinating. Especially with the missile sites that were getting outdated and replaced within 5 years. The ATT bunkers though... some nice real estate

20:09

of earth; more of cement

20:09

bunker-building was a major racket in usa

20:09

at one time

20:11

and afaik nobody cancelled bunkers, but the 'golden age of usg' gigantomania is gone.

20:12

Well, private bunkers are the new racket

20:12

40acres for 200k.

20:12

BingoBoingo: private 'gtfo' arrangements are the new racket

20:13

asciilifeform: That too. Still some people do brisk business selling corrugated steel tubes

20:16

BingoBoingo: http://coldwar-ct.com/Home_Page_S1DO.html << even more, incl. period equipment

20:16

ATT Cheshire underground facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzZGir )

20:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00039151 = 8.4566 BTC [-]

20:19

Ah, more toilet springs

20:20

found that site by sheer accident, while idly looking for what's commercial state of the art in shock wave detectors

20:20

(from earlier thread)

20:21

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asciilifeform out of date on the subject

20:21

i'm not terribly impressed with the depicted blastdoors, but anyway

20:22

mircea_popescu: according to the historical docs, the sites in question were rated for particular 'overpressures' - and some were 'graded down' upon inspection after constructed

20:22

asciilifeform: Definitely a particularly interesting site. Microwave tower is rather thin on antennas so facility must have had other serious justification

20:22

aha

20:22

so mircea_popescu is not the only one who wasn't impressed

20:23

builders sc4mz0r3d usg

20:23

BingoBoingo: horns

20:23

myeah.

20:23

BingoBoingo: you need one (or two, redundant) for each direction of link

20:23

and the horns themselves were merely backups for the more famous underground coax

20:23

asciilifeform: Sure, but The towers around here tend to have more horns and more tower for mounting horns

20:24

BingoBoingo: there are horns where you live ?!

20:24

you thinking cellphgone microwave drums ?

20:24

asciilifeform: We have a big microwave tower on the north side of town

20:24

slightly different item

20:24

very different.

20:26

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20:27

asciilifeform: Between highway and park in hometown Big antenna, wimpy bunker https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=utLrVLr6CujgsASx_4CYAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw

20:27

highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRKf0 )

20:27

Common arrangement in the Middle West

20:27

"Longline" service

20:28

BingoBoingo: looks quite like the others.

20:28

can even see the cracks on the asphalt.

20:28

probably not sold at time of photo.

20:28

http://38.media.tumblr.com/8695d3035d9ae23d57c8d720815885a8/tumblr_n4w4vqxch41rdh9veo1_400.gif

20:28

... ( http://bit.ly/1MNROv9 )

20:28

Well no reason not to. Just maybe it is an elevation thing but CT bunker seems like it could have moar tower

20:29

elevation thing

20:30

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&ll=38.761728,-89.692103&spn=0.002812,0.001632&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.761673,-89.691976&panoid=HPZxYzCY4v-Tms2dG9AMcA&cbp=12,354.34,,1,-19.35 << BingoBoingo's tower definitely has cellular antennae now

20:30

highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRXia )

20:30

in addition to the classical horns

20:31

https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/e71f4cbe-bc13-4d1b-b3f9-1e0a9f9ebf16.jpg << 2004 vintage

20:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1MNS0KY )

20:32

mircea_popescu: what's that ?!

20:33

https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/775124f3-9ed9-4b6d-b22d-513441a12b51.jpg << 2012 with Cellular turds

20:33

... ( http://bit.ly/1LA1Pug )

20:33

mircea_popescu: or, more specifically, what is the flying object

20:43

And since we are bringing up the hometown behold the drive Federalis made to visit, note the major city very close to the destination https://maps.google.com/maps?q=peoria+illinois+highland+illinois&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=1tbrVNKsHMKmNqeWg_AH&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw

20:43

peoria illinois highland illinois - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNT0yD )

20:45

http://senstar.com << hilarious bezzlatron

20:45

Senstar - The Trusted Choice for Perimeter Intrusion Detection and Security Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTchb )

20:46

http://www.securityinfowatch.com/directory/perimeter-security-physical-hardening << giant catalogue of usg auschwitzmatics

20:46

Browse Perimeter Security & Physical Hardening Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNThBD )

20:47

Mega lol, where's the robot's Mosin?

20:48

can connect alarm out cable to whatever?

20:50

If Intel can plan on sending silicon to abadon anything is possible

20:51

http://senstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senstar-vip-brochure.pdf << moar lulz

20:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTDbx )

20:52

*

asciilifeform secretly imagines the opposite of this firm

20:52

asciilifeform a nato round expelled

20:52

mircea_popescu: just now?

20:52

in the gif. is what you meant ?

20:52

aha

20:52

lol

20:53

i was still thinking about the wave detector!

20:53

but it all makes sense now

20:54

should've noticed the earmuffs

20:55

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/cookie_monster_becomes_aware.html << actually tlp has excellent working theory on 'what happened'.

20:55

The Last Psychiatrist: Cookie Monster Becomes Aware ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTVPI )

20:55

baby boomers checked out of society, their kids were raised by the tv set, the result is the current usg.

20:56

mircea_popescu: old ('60s-'70s?) news ?

20:56

not news in any sense. well stated.

20:57

it also means no meta nsa you know.

20:57

why'd that be

20:57

not everybody's a degenerate

20:57

orly.

20:58

not how this works. biological samples are either uniformly infected or not infected.

20:58

now, granted, i don't work at meta-nsa...

20:58

but the folks i work with weren't raised by tv.

20:58

nor was the woman

20:58

nor any of the people i associate with voluntarily in meatspace, really

20:59

not a uniform infection, this.

20:59

but what that does is... it takes them out of sample.

20:59

meta-nsa can also take out of sample, no ?

20:59

no.

20:59

or what, ant can do, but elephant cannot ?

20:59

<mircea_popescu> it also means no meta nsa you know. << That show in particular was designed to bring about reddit society

21:00

BingoBoingo only retrospectively. prospectively, it was designed to bring about "a better world", as some people imagined it.

21:00

that "a better world" as some people imagine it is always laughably derpy is no secret.

21:00

that oscar was such a troll, down voting

21:01

mircea_popescu: And in every "about" derp they mention the "better world" being governance via reddit and tumblr ethics

21:01

if you don't know very much, all sorts of stuff smells like salvation.

21:01

And it's no coincidence that Elmo was played by a chomo

21:02

some idiots somewhere put pen to paper cca 1700 to communicate the idea that "if only we made the children of the scum literate the word would be a paradise"

21:02

No, just means you have to sort through "literate" scum to find literature

21:04

21:04

Prison survival guides: Books and videos for navigating life on the inside. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNUE39 )

21:05

they're going to have a dating/selfhelp for this, too ?

21:05

pretty soon derps in prison so numerous actual prisoners are too wtf'd at these idiots running around dreaming a little dream they just hang themselves ?

21:06

mircea_popescu: lulzier still, there are -schools- for 'white collar' derps who are expecting prison

21:06

as in, expensive 'academies' where... something or other.. is taught

21:06

no wai ?!

21:06

uh.

21:06

*

asciilifeform doesn't have the link handy

21:07

"Kerness says she sends the manual to anyone who writes to her organization asking for one. Until recently she had no trouble getting the materials into peoples hands, but recently, she says she has started receiving pushback from some facilities."

21:08

mircea_popescu: "Get ready for prison" camp is actually a thing is USia

21:08

hanbot

west joint?

21:08

l0l!!

21:09

does it go "kill someone on your first day, the flimsier reason the better, the more blood the better" ?

21:09

BingoBoingo is it like the "baby delivery" school, in that it involves "all family members" for maximal bezzletronicity ?

21:10

mircea_popescu: Seems to from what I can find on the subject.

21:10

also a lot of "Eastern" meditate and Zen bullshit

21:11

do they have pay per view in prison yet ?

21:11

nah

21:11

They have cable in the county jail I've heard through reports

21:11

why not ? bad for the economy.

21:11

Just extended basic though

21:12

"No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black youve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."

21:12

gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!

21:13

they're so fucking free they despair for a guide of "how to behave" in prison.

21:13

god forbid you misbehave. they may jail you!

21:13

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asciilifeform secret connoisseur of 'rotting in prison' literature. has most of a bookcase - and none is in eng. doesn't know of any in that language worth keeping

21:13

I've heard reports that county jail isnt so bad, worst part is the stigma from people on the outside

21:14

ironically, most married with children white collar men i know would actually enjoy prison

21:14

they're petrified of it, of course, but it'd be a rational move for them.

21:14

how's that

21:15

state's paying your mortgage, for one.

21:15

not everybody likes buggery..

21:15

ever seen someone in that demo be BORED ?

21:15

eh get out.

21:15

most people don't bother fucking their wives, why do you imagine they'd bother with some dude.

21:15

wai wat

21:15

ask around.

21:15

I don't have children so would like to avoid prison and buggery. Still my survival strategy would consist largely of join the first white power gang that comes knocking.

21:15

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asciilifeform checks coordinates, seems like on same planet as mircea_popescu - but wat

21:16

asciilifeform stop the first woman over 30 you see, ask her if she had sex today.

21:16

!up nullB

21:17

*

asciilifeform would have to leave the bubble dome to do mircea_popescu's suggested experiment

21:17

why ?

21:18

*

asciilifeform on typical day doesn't see any women other than one kept as pet

21:18

now multiply this by a reddit, and you see where we are.

21:18

!b 4

21:18

Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MVQH2F.txt )

21:18

but it's fine, send the pet out on a fact finding expedition.

21:19

In USia this is an elite athlete >> http://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-gained-a-bunch-of-weight-on-purpose-1687422053

21:19

CC Sabathia Gained A Bunch Of Weight, On Purpose ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNVtsM )

21:19

pet could quite likely walk until its legs give out, without finding the fact

21:20

what if you get 12 out of 12 nos ?

21:20

will it be a meta-fucking ?

21:20

i can believe this

21:20

most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude.

21:21

afaik this normally happens because the wife breaks down

21:21

not to say rape doesn't exist in prison. however, celebrity also exists in california.

21:21

you can live a whole life w/o running into either just fine.

21:21

eh bs.

21:21

<mircea_popescu> most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude. << Prolly so random dude doesn't fuck them. WHy do dogs sniff assholes

21:21

i never heard of a farmer not milking his cows because "they broke down", or not slaugthering the pigs etc.

21:22

mircea_popescu: there is not (yet!) an industry in usa devoted to helping pigs slaughter farmers

21:22

heh.

21:23

anyway, to make this easier to approach, i would propose the situation depicted in american history x is perhaps the best summary of the situation.

21:23

there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle.

21:24

<mircea_popescu> there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle. << Is rape ever anything other than politics?

21:24

well that's complicated.

21:27

a while back i ran a "what'd you do with 100k euro" thing on my blog (because some fucktarded populists were "promoting a law" to give every schmuck 20k - romanians don't want living wages, they want universal windfalls)

21:27

most people that had a decent career etc wanted - 1 year's vacation. and to sleep.

21:27

sleep!

21:27

*

asciilifeform salivates

21:28

*

asciilifeform has sleep fantasies

21:28

see ?

21:28

so they put you in this place, which is fundamentally quiet. you can't be disturbed.

21:28

think about it.

21:28

and then... well... you can sleep.

21:28

aha lol in what country

21:28

you can think.

21:28

in all countries.

21:28

gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax

21:28

solitary is a "punishment"

21:29

(usg term for the classic dungeon where you get to sit alone)

21:29

asciilifeform but understand : there can be no further emergencies.

21:29

nothing's important.

21:29

<asciilifeform> gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax << Illinois closed its onlu supermax at Tamms not long ago. Now there is only Noisemax unless you go federal

21:30

interestingly, ru supermax is 2 schmucks per cell.

21:30

(modern ru)

21:31

at any rate, the 'eat a horse' effect is at work

21:31

very few people would enjoy actually eating the horse

21:31

or, more to the point, drinking the sea

21:32

asciilifeform: You forget failed Anglos founded USia, roommate jsut means orfice to use as escape from sensory deprivation

21:32

some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker.

21:33

getting to do it while someone else pays for it - not just the roof and food, but the "whose fault it is!" is ideal.

21:33

in other news, finally discovered the reason contemporary muzak sucks so bad. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_500.jpg

21:33

... ( http://bit.ly/1MNWdyc )

21:34

<mircea_popescu> some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker. << No guarentee roommate would be adult thinker

21:35

eh, what's he gonna do, dance all night ?

21:38

mircea_popescu: did the 20k thing ever actually happen ?

21:39

naw lol

21:39

nor did any of the guys end up in prison

21:39

it is the fate of the intellectual to discuss things that shall never be.

21:40

the 'living wage' thing is much closer to things that actually happen, because pumping staight from treasury to rentiers (who jack prices immediately on anything subsidized) is apparently a-ok

21:40

(see the u.s. 'college racket' etc)

21:40

you gotta understand, you go to jail in romania for being a socialist.

21:40

anyone actually sitting for this at the moment ?

21:41

well, they released adrian nastase

21:41

but plenty in yes.

21:41

(adrian nastase ~= nancy pelosi)

21:42

plenty in 'for socialism' ?

21:42

how's that work - what did they actually -do-

21:43

be part of the red party.

21:44

re: living wage < in the us, if you sum up everyone on section 8 rent subsidy, medicaid, medicare, social security, mortgage deduction and then us mil, us civil service, you probably have swedish level 'welfare'

21:45

college aid ?

21:45

if I were president, the first order I would make would be to released the list of everyone who receives money from the list above

21:45

decimation: in general there's nothing secret about who they are - you can mostly tell by street address

21:46

asciilifeform: if you drill, you find that the bureaucracy that disburses these payments is extremely jealous about releasing exact details

21:46

for obvious reasons

21:49

in fact, it's illegal for a real estate agent in the us to tell you how many welfare cases live on a street

21:49

http://homebuying.about.com/od/realestateagents/qt/AgentDuties.htm

21:49

Real Estate Agent - Fair Housing Act Violation ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNX6qu )

21:49

decimation: Part of the obstacle is there's no unified list

21:50

BingoBoingo: this is no accident

21:50

decimation: I'm not so sure

21:50

Could be incompetence

21:50

do the checks arrive monthly? are the ebt cards filled?

21:51

someone has a list of accounts

21:52

if pressed, I'm sure the bureaucracy would bleat that it needs to protect the 'privacy' of the recipient

21:55

decimation: The problem is separation

21:55

There's no master list

21:55

Shit is compartmented to hell

21:55

some of the programs mentioned above are run by the states

21:55

turns out arizona is on my program: http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-regional/panel-oks-measure-to-release-welfare-recipients-names/article_03e548da-6d5a-5d00-bfab-6b14e8d00ed3.html

21:55

Panel OKs measure to release welfare recipients' names ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXtBw )

21:58

Domain naming exercise

21:58

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/110165322/bj-upton-switches-name-melvin-baseball-history-name-changes

21:58

MLB stas before and after name changes. | SportsonEarth.com : Tim Healey Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXDZE )

21:58

so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.

22:00

i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter.

22:00

to poke the bear?

22:00

mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator?

22:00

to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?

22:00

suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week.

22:00

so ?

22:00

it's not you, it's the americans.

22:00

good for her, i guess. or him w/e.

22:01

well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!"

22:01

yeah, 's always been my attitude.

22:01

perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere

22:01

ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros

22:02

decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ?

22:02

which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people

22:03

well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds?

22:03

in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you.

22:03

they're his now.

22:03

yes I agree

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the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place

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well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him.

22:03

i hope he steals it all.

22:04

a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary.

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!b 3

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Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S7E9SN.txt )

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there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense)

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such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts

22:08

is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached?

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re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/23/the-washington-post-s-gross-mischaracterization-of-ron-paul-s-message/ “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.”

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmh1HA )

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danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs http://www.irs.gov/uac/Check-Your-Eligibility-for-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit

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Check Your Eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmhae2 )

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and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on

22:11

to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely

22:12

you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance

22:12

the trifecta is social security disability. If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too

22:13

I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket

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decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI

22:13

to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price)

22:13

i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money

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danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want

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plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI

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mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.)

22:14

ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek!

22:14

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html

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The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNYMAa )

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so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ?

22:15

motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things.

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asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception

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last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card.

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;;google truth about SSI

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The Facts About the Social Security Disability Programs | Donna ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-meltzer/social-security-disability-programs_b_3014961.html>; The Ugly Truth About Social Security Is Revealed - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2012/06/03/the-ugly-truth-about-social-security-is-revealed/>; The Hard, Cold Truth About Social Security - Tax- (1 more message)

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Google fail

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the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome

22:17

I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron

22:17

<asciilifeform> the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket

22:17

the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc)

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BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate?

22:19

thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes

22:19

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/06/exclusive-unmasking-worlds-most-wanted-hacker/ < sabu change employment from welfare division to fbi

22:19

EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZ0rf )

22:20

do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about?

22:20

decimation: Old news

22:20

mats: quite certainly not

22:20

or do i have to be hispanic or black

22:20

bummer

22:20

mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list

22:20

mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic

22:21

u rite

22:21

it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools

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decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people.

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i can develop a wicked tan

22:21

in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities

22:21

yeah that's bullshit

22:22

mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower

22:22

look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow

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asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist'

22:22

i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes

22:23

mats was born after 1988

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didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia

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AMIRITE?

22:23

duh

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*

BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers

22:24

https://web.archive.org/web/20110727142404/http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage.

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How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZgGs )

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Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. "

22:25

jesus christ 300 points

22:25

interestingly, that article was 'disappeared'

22:26

Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team

22:26

i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities

22:26

woe is me

22:27

mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough.

22:27

mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead

22:27

mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to.

22:28

thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against

22:28

me too. good competition, lots of white flight.

22:28

mats: get that white girl poonani

22:28

i get off on it too buttie

22:29

the subconscious domination of a white woman that is

22:29

i blame girls gone wild for that

22:29

and dave attell's insomniac

22:29

BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school?

22:30

mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though

22:31

im not following, why would the score be accepted

22:31

mats: Because idiots run the offices.

22:31

my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg

22:32

decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now

22:32

yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars

22:33

"degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :(

22:33

luring unsuspecting single moms or something

22:33

The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college

22:34

on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept

22:34

mats: see the world, usg pays

22:34

ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun

22:35

In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant

22:35

alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great

22:35

being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell

22:35

although they make good money

22:36

with hazard pay maybe

22:36

Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA

22:36

<decimation> being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon

22:37

mats: I think they get free housing overseas

22:37

you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy

22:38

Block 326760, Fri Oct 24 05:32:44 2014 was OOM kill as I slept last night of indeterminant length

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benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us

22:38

mats: but obama totally has your back

22:39

I'm just glad I didn't do law school

22:39

Talk about selling your soul

22:39

speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870

22:39

BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all

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decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations.

22:41

depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative

22:41

for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is

22:41

Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister

22:41

mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions

22:45

they're not terribly hard to get into.

22:45

demand side is huge from ford, intel et al

22:46

plus all of the 'support'

22:46

i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.

22:46

apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.

22:46

this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.

22:46

oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.

22:47

housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector

22:48

ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing'

22:50

decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.

22:51

ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value'

22:52

presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest'

22:52

*

ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers

22:52

i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.

22:53

also the sage american me.

22:53

ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :)

22:53

actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.

22:54

decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.

22:54

actually a funny story related

22:54

legal caught wind of what i was doing

22:54

because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to

22:54

hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point.

22:54

"but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."

22:55

'twas an "innovative" ground plane.

22:55

http://aje.io/gys3

22:55

Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQE5j )

22:55

granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.

22:55

mats: in log

22:55

but a patent for that thing?

22:56

guess i needa catch up huh

22:56

ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota

22:56

ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless

22:56

they are only useful to megacorps when warring

22:57

individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft

22:57

asciilifeform: lol i do now.

22:58

!up shesek

22:58

asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable'

22:58

life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.

22:58

but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation

22:58

decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi

22:59

heh

22:59

i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics

23:00

yeah. a patent is perfectly useless unless you have > $10 mil lawyer budget

23:00

<asciilifeform> i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold

23:00

they end up filing things like this - http://www.google.com/patents/WO2012090213A2?cl=en

23:00

Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRnnb )

23:00

BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing

23:01

BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine

23:01

*

asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there

23:01

my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers

23:01

https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/us20050027316-resurrection-burial-tomb.pdf << the patent i was actually looking for

23:01

... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRu27 )

23:01

^ famous

23:02

Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink.

23:02

^ beautiful illustrations

23:02

Still sad sad racket

23:04

asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there

23:05

lol sheet 26

23:06

Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever

23:07

why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing?

23:08

decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything

23:08

decimation: schizo?

23:08

why else

23:08

asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it

23:08

completing the cycle

23:13

Worth it

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*

BingoBoingo reminds this inconvenience was necessary http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/fetlife-huesmann-dcma.txt

23:16

... ( http://bit.ly/1EpTHum )

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'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the

23:18

situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items

23:18

on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where

23:18

a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him

23:18

enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright

23:18

interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron.

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While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to

23:18

suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at

23:18

infringing the rights of others.'

23:18

^ mega-l0l!

23:20

mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ?

23:20

(re: last paragraph)

23:21

db entries pulled via curl

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aha

23:21

i recall the original trololol

23:21

but where was the above document for ?

23:22

also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!)

23:28

interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally)

23:28

just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post

23:28

and it's a work of art

23:29

the pages are numbered like a bible's

23:29

with paragraph indices

23:29

for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs

23:30

!up The20YearIRCloud

23:30

and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard

23:31

as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book...

23:31

the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal

23:32

(the similarity is more than skin deep)

~ 24 minutes ~

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