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00:23 mats my apologies for the delayed report. i attempted the esp8266 experiment with a rigol ds1054z, only to discover the standard probe isn't sensitive enough
00:24 mats after some false starts, i've made arrangements to briefly return to hk in the spring and begin the process to acquire a permanent id card, after applying for the right to abode, which should have no issues as i was born there
00:26 mats i also expect to have no issues acquiring a tw passport, and will be available for republican business if its asked of me
00:33 mats flights are surprisingly cheap, LAX to HKG nonstop (roundtrip) is ~$500
00:36 mats once i have my tw passport, i will be able to apply for an MTP (mainland travel permit), which will allow for 90d stays in china proper
00:39 mircea_popescu o nice mats
00:39 mats i believe there is an equivalent for hk, but my intentions are to stay in tw, due to familial contacts in the area, as well as comparatively lower cost of living
00:40 mircea_popescu tw works just fine. say when you got the mtp thing, i suspect we'll have some t for you to do.
00:43 mats will do
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06:00 feedbot << Ossasepia -- SMG Comms Chapter 11: Arbitrary Size of Public Exponent
06:12 diana_coman asciilifeform, phf I've signed ch4 and ch5 of ffa:
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10:24 asciilifeform ty diana_coman ! will roll these into ch14.
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11:35 asciilifeform trinque: deedbot down ?
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12:05 trinque all of a sudden
12:06 trinque thanks asciilifeform
12:14 feedbot << Qntra -- Ransomware Cracking Guy Turns Out To Be Ransomware Markup And Payment Guy
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13:53 feedbot << Qntra -- Canadian "Law Enforcement" Abduct Huawei CFO For Not Giving A Shit About US Sanction On Iran
13:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: s/Ergodan/Erdogan
13:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty fxd
13:55 mircea_popescu o.O
13:55 BingoBoingo Ya'rly
13:57 mircea_popescu 19th centuries "wars" (in the don pacifico or agadir crisis sense) were started for less.
13:57 mircea_popescu chinese fleet bombarding san francisco harbor >1% probable.
13:58 BingoBoingo China's already talking with aggression. No archive links to English language publications for misrepresenting the abduction as a kidnapping across the board.
13:58 BingoBoingo *adbuction as an arrest
13:59 BingoBoingo s/kidnapping/arrest
14:00 asciilifeform they lifted him from beijing forbidden palace or wat
14:00 BingoBoingo Lifted her from Canada
14:00 asciilifeform .. or is this yet another 'walk-in client'
14:00 BingoBoingo Girl was doing business stuff in Canada, and then Canada kidnapped her for extradition to New York
14:01 asciilifeform aa lol so -- walk-in
14:01 mircea_popescu generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough.
14:01 mircea_popescu us in prime position for some.
14:01 asciilifeform ( << oblig )
14:01 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
14:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nothing like that.
14:02 mircea_popescu the cookie didn't "walk in" the cookie jar. the cookie sat in the cookie jar where it belongs, and the future spankee stuck his hand in.
14:02 feedbot << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2018 Statement
14:02 asciilifeform maybe i'm out of date on subj, but iirc unless yer sitting in an embassy, yer subject to local lol-enforcement
14:02 mircea_popescu shares added also.
14:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "united states" is not a sovereign.
14:03 asciilifeform somebody give washington the memo, i think they missed
14:03 mircea_popescu hence
14:03 a111 Logged on 2018-12-06 19:01 mircea_popescu: generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough.
14:06 mircea_popescu argentina went through ~same cycle with faulklands.
14:06 asciilifeform is this 1st time they stole a cn brass ?
14:06 asciilifeform ( i dun recall a previous , but asciilifeform does not actively follow subj )
14:07 BingoBoingo I believe it is the 1st time they stole one from this China
14:07 BingoBoingo At least for such a petty reason
14:08 BingoBoingo They caught and released another for sex in Minnesota
14:10 BingoBoingo But not as brassy, and dude did go to the Somaliland of Minnesota probably expecting to visit Nordic America
14:15 mircea_popescu previous attempt of something like this was probably aafia siddiqui. it ~cost them afghanistan, in any practical sense.
14:15 mircea_popescu china isn't afghanistan, of course.
14:16 mircea_popescu nor is 2018 anything like 2008.
14:16 feedbot << Daniel P. Barron -- yours is right here, enjoy it while it lasts
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14:59 lobbes I just made a tiny fix to auctionbot. Everything seems to be working well and I don't anticipate any problems. Still, I'll be around for the rest of today in case there are.
14:59 lobbes (for the curious: I had overlooked the fact that when a "buy" type auction ends the usual messaging (e.g. "...Item SOLD to Person for...") had to change to reflect this (i.e. had to change it to "...Item SOLD --by-- Person for..."))
14:59 * lobbes wonders if this is actually a bug in the english language. Closest word I could think of to denote both "to/by" was "via", but that does not really work in this case
15:03 mircea_popescu imo it's a feature.
15:04 lobbes yeah, on second thought ambiguity in a language is not really a good thing huh
15:06 mircea_popescu in other lulz,
15:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have one of these coupla blox from my street. they tend to cluster around courthouses , 1 or 2 for small city one, up to dozen around a major
15:08 mircea_popescu yeah, common enough. i find the name amusing.
15:08 asciilifeform somebody oughta start a 'dindu' one in bmore
15:17 mircea_popescu well... i guess this was long enough in any case
15:18 mircea_popescu !!rate l0de -1 yet another one of these, "uluitii pulii mele".
15:18 deedbot Get your OTP:
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15:52 feedbot << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement
16:00 * phf is assembling a care package for asciilifeform
16:02 asciilifeform lol why ty phf .
16:03 asciilifeform the top can actually is available in usa; the bottom is slightly diff brand that what i get here, would be interesting to compare.
16:03 phf there's a dozen of different brands for both, i'll have to sample them all until i figure out the most authentic flavor
16:04 phf diana_coman: i've updated all the available sigs
16:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's a tiris-grapis ?
16:05 diana_coman phf, thanks!
16:05 asciilifeform phf: fwiw i bought 5 types of sprat in ro, and only 1 was up to spec, and even that -- barely
16:05 asciilifeform ( they dun sell the 'gost' godly round can from riga, why -- i do not know )
16:06 phf asciilifeform: i've noticed that with some of the products here, a lot of them have GoST as a kind of branding, since i suspect it's barely regulated, but the quality of substandard.
16:07 asciilifeform aha, it dun say ~which~ gost, does it.
16:07 asciilifeform for all we know, it's the 'can is 30mm +/- 1' one.
16:09 phf this one is gost 280-2009, i'm not a visual machine at the moment to track it down though
16:09 asciilifeform apparently
16:09 asciilifeform 'Canned smoked fish. Sprats in oil. Specifications'
16:09 asciilifeform i had nfi
16:10 diana_coman milk and sprats, such care; where's the caviar :p
16:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: funnily enuff i have 0prob getting that here
16:10 diana_coman and what, do you have problem getting sprats??
16:11 asciilifeform diana_coman: as such -- no; but quality quite variable
16:11 asciilifeform here they import whatever the baltic muppet states offer directly
16:12 diana_coman also for different asciilifeform -care:
16:12 asciilifeform diana_coman: funniy enuff i loaded up on those in ro
16:12 asciilifeform a++ quality, fur not flaked off yet
16:12 asciilifeform ( unlike ~erry single american-sold variant i've ever had )
16:12 diana_coman well fur fine but...why *those*, lol
16:13 asciilifeform not those specifically, but various fur hat. incl. the archaetypical 'ceausescu hat'
16:13 diana_coman not as if there's no choice of fur hats; those remind me of the old one in which my great-grandmother kept newly hatched chicken to keep them warm, lol
16:14 asciilifeform it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes
16:14 asciilifeform and they beat the shit out of what was avail locally
16:14 asciilifeform nao asciilifeform does same thing..
16:14 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun keep chickens but imagine it'd work great, lol
16:15 phf diana_coman: heh, the chicken in a fur hat story was passed on in my family also
16:15 diana_coman phf, I saw it! repeatedly even
16:15 asciilifeform ( neighbour -- does keep chickens. used to be entirely unheard of in city here, but naodays local polizei close eyes to livestock (tho theoretically banned) for so long as it aint a pig )
16:16 diana_coman I got to know my great-grandmother and she lived in the countryside, in the plains too (where it gets scorching hot in the summer and bitterly cold in winter)
16:16 phf diana_coman: my great-grandparents were all moved into the city by the time i was a grownup, they could only recall the olden days, not really demonstrate them
16:17 diana_coman asciilifeform, you know, that sounds like good-old commie style: it's banned, but local police will close eyes for so long as x
16:17 asciilifeform asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread
16:17 phf asciilifeform: it's a thing in san francisco apparently, saw it in two different tech komunalkas
16:18 asciilifeform phf: lol! where'd they keep'em? on balcony?!
16:18 * diana_coman can picture asciilifeform's chicken-holding out of c101pa and similar
16:19 phf they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup
16:20 asciilifeform aa
16:21 * phf afk
16:21 * asciilifeform also bbl,teatime
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18:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform idiomatic, something between "kicking and screaming" and "on hands and knees"
18:23 asciilifeform aa
18:24 mircea_popescu <<
18:24 a111 Logged on 2018-12-06 21:14 asciilifeform: it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes
18:24 a111 Logged on 2017-11-22 00:48 mircea_popescu: depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition.
18:24 mircea_popescu "what, am i goiung to defect now ? these muppets have it worse than we do". stanculescu in moscow, signing mig purchase, 1984.
18:26 mircea_popescu << hanbot has a duck... the groundskeeper keeps telling me how tasty duck is...
18:26 a111 Logged on 2018-12-06 21:17 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread
18:26 asciilifeform i recall father brought back from ro also a flashlight thing with fluorescent tube, not all that useful but blew asciilifeform's mind cuz 'how is this physically possible, the ballast in our jury-rigged fluorescent at dacha is bricks-sized'
18:26 mircea_popescu << it's coop, for the record. spelled the same as like bernie sandals.
18:26 a111 Logged on 2018-12-06 21:19 phf: they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup
18:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform beotch!!!
18:28 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 20:47 asciilifeform: which ? where they baked z80 clone ?
18:29 asciilifeform my current impression is that ro was closer, tech-wise, to ddr, than to (konsoomer, at least, level) su
18:31 mircea_popescu kinda yugo-like.
18:32 asciilifeform i dunno whether the yugos had native ic production
18:39 mircea_popescu well, i meant in terms of industrial goods supply, not necessarily ic.
18:40 asciilifeform aa
18:40 mircea_popescu frequency of chicken-on-balcony, sorta thing
18:40 asciilifeform ftr i never saw live chicken once till usa.
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20:33 mircea_popescu !!key delu
20:33 deedbot
20:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << lemme know if any issues
20:36 a111 Logged on 2018-12-06 20:52 feedbot: << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read 2h ago, loox proper ( could like 'chapters' to the concretes in , but not essential )
20:37 a111 Logged on 2018-12-03 15:45 asciilifeform: , , for convenience.
20:37 asciilifeform *link
20:37 mircea_popescu aite.
20:40 asciilifeform meanwhile in ch.14 sneak peeks, modex(2048bit) : 0.296s , 4096bit : 1.786s , 8192bit : 10.766s .
20:41 mircea_popescu not even terrible.
20:41 asciilifeform ( compare vs )
20:41 mircea_popescu aha.
20:42 asciilifeform the bad noose is that this was the last order-of-magnitude speedup up asciilifeform's sleeve
20:42 asciilifeform errything after, will be linear (e.g. asm mul, in the end, unrolled comba, etc)
20:42 mircea_popescu yeah, but by now it's in livable range.
20:43 asciilifeform the linears, i expect, will cut another ~tenfold
20:43 mircea_popescu besides, halves every 18 months rite.
20:43 asciilifeform lol
20:43 asciilifeform where's livable and where -- not, will depend on application.
20:45 asciilifeform for mircea_popescu's in particular, if you shorten the pubexp , you speed up (encipherment strictly) by b/exp, where b is bitness and exp is max len of your exp, times.
20:46 asciilifeform e.g. for mircea_popescu's euloratron, his exp is 64bits, and his pubkeys iirc round to 4096b, so that'll be a 0.028s encipherment.
20:47 asciilifeform for ~decipherment~ if one were to use crt, that'd be a 2 * 0.296 = 0.592s .
20:48 mircea_popescu !Qcalc 1872/2048 * 0.296
20:48 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: 0.2705625
20:48 asciilifeform ( granted, this figure does not include hashism, but hashism is a O(N) op )
20:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, 1872 bit keys iirc.
20:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah so take the 2048 figure as base then
20:48 mircea_popescu yea
20:49 asciilifeform then will be 0.296 * ( 64 / 2048 ) = ~0.009 encrypt , and as for decrypts with crt,
20:50 mircea_popescu yeah, not bad.
20:50 asciilifeform 1024b (full width) currently 0.295s (exercise for reader -- why almost same as 2048?)
20:51 asciilifeform so given that factors of a 1872b key fit in 1024b ea., double of above will be your encrypt, approx, time.
20:51 asciilifeform err, decrypt
20:51 asciilifeform i.e. ~same as if you had 4096b keys (i.e. 2048b p and q)
20:52 asciilifeform all of these figs strictly concerning ch14, with no other optimiz.
20:53 asciilifeform ( and performed, as ch1-13 were, on asciilifeform's quite aged opteron, ~2009 )
20:55 asciilifeform on, e.g., 64bit 'i7', goes roughly 2x of this speed.
20:55 asciilifeform ( if one is ready to jump with the parachute, and switch off boundary tests, that gives you another 2x )
20:56 asciilifeform ^ which is about on par with koch's, interestingly
20:56 asciilifeform koch loses surprising amt of cycles to variablewidthisms/heapism.
20:57 asciilifeform ( for n00bz, will point out -- if one is satisfied with the correctness of the algos, the bound tests dun do anyffing useful )
20:58 asciilifeform perhaps after coupla yrs of quality folx reading the thing, and live fire in battlefield, some folx will dare to switch'em off.
20:58 mircea_popescu in other news, i've made such chicken shorba a la grec as was never seen in the new world. off to partake.
20:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: enjoy
20:58 * asciilifeform also bbl,meats
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