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04:08 phf mircea_popescu: ty
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07:18 BingoBoingo !Xview B#1009
07:18 auctionbot BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please enter order # as an integer
07:18 BingoBoingo !Xview 1009
07:18 auctionbot Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins)
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07:19 BingoBoingo ^ Only a few hours left to bid in this month's Pizarro auction
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09:12 Qntbtt http://qntra.net/2018/12/large-torrent-tracker-throwing-in-the-towel/
09:12 Qntbtt http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/
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09:21 diana_coman what, is qntra not tracked by feedbot?
09:21 asciilifeform apparently not
09:21 asciilifeform spyked ^
09:21 BingoBoingo Feedbot appears down atm
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09:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the http://qntra.net/bundles/macronbucks.jpg thing is annoying imho
09:22 asciilifeform there's, what, 5 copies of it on front page ?
09:24 BingoBoingo It will becomes less frequent
09:30 BingoBoingo Brb, going to invade a once outlaw culture and see if there is still any rebellion there or if it all got taken over by pussies
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10:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878888 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/#selection-361.0-361.65
10:09 a111 Logged on 2018-12-07 14:12 Qntbtt: http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/
10:10 mircea_popescu white bois gotta fucking learn already. kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp. do not "peaceful" hurr durr, that does 0.
10:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo qntra got its own bot nao too ?
10:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ?
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10:13 mircea_popescu speaking of which : it was fucking amusing to discover that in nicole's generation, "a meme, pl memes" denotes simply... a captioned image. 0 awareness of the entire ~implication~ of social influence and narrative dominance for which the thing was so pompously named by the "words are magic"/"law of hopetraction" crowd.
10:13 mircea_popescu it simply got clipped!
10:16 mircea_popescu i suspect by the same methodology "women's rights" will be a byword for bdsm and "#metoo" another way to say "idiot" in another decade. god knows "you guys are POWER RANGERS!!!" reddit gushing went exactly that way.
10:16 mircea_popescu btw, BingoBoingo do you happen to have anywhere saved the original reddit "you guys are power rangers!!!" idiocy ? iirc was during hearn's wrecking fork.
10:16 Mocky good morning mircea_popescu
10:16 mircea_popescu heya.
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11:06 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878892 <-- apologies for the downtime. fleanode finally decided to sabotage all my connections while I wasn't looking
11:06 a111 Logged on 2018-12-07 14:21 BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm
11:13 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878441 <-- sure thing! send me a list of feeds you want delivered (if a lot of them) and I'll have it join #eulora when you think it's appropriate (can sync up on that, e.g. tomorrow?)
11:13 a111 Logged on 2018-12-05 03:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition
11:13 mircea_popescu keks
11:15 spyked lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience.
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11:16 spyked mornin' mircea_popescu
11:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878901 << wouldn't hurt
11:22 a111 Logged on 2018-12-07 15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ?
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12:07 mats mircea_popescu: whats the purpose of styrofoam in the cocktail?
12:08 asciilifeform mats: traditional ersatz napalm, iirc
12:08 asciilifeform mats: what i dunget is why mircea_popescu specified ~plastic~ bottles, these won't break and will harmlessly roll off tank
12:10 mats oh, the solution that results, imitates napalm stickiness
12:12 mats probably burns slower also
12:15 mats http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878885 << <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 3240.58, Best ask: 3242.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.64000, Last trade: 3240.58, 24 hour volume: 21780.93020893, 24 hour low: 3222.0, 24 hour high: 3645.05, 24 hour vwap: 3388.72
12:15 a111 Logged on 2018-12-07 12:18 auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins)
12:16 * mats smacks forehead
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13:33 auctionbot Buy order # 1009 has ENDED: 2k wFF SOLD by mats for 499.99mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
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13:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I will take a look for it
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15:15 mircea_popescu heya!
15:15 mircea_popescu mats plastifying agent, basically.
15:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they ~melt~.
15:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what good does it do if it melts on the ground after rolling off the target ?
15:16 mircea_popescu do the experiment at home, if you will, count the seconds between lighting "fuse" and item turning into flaming puddle.
15:17 mircea_popescu ~same as grenade, as specified.
15:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you throw it correctly. "what good is fused grenade ?!?!?" "you learn how to use it"
15:18 asciilifeform tru
15:19 asciilifeform glass makes for cheap 'impact fuse' tho, hence why still popular even tho plastic bottles are errywhere
15:19 mircea_popescu it is inferior in this application, if apparently counterintuitively so.
15:19 mircea_popescu doesn't always break, splatters rather than splashes, and so on.
15:20 asciilifeform ( as for frags, even industrially produced item suffers from 'if fuse is long enuff never to run out in yer hand, enemy can throw back' headache )
15:20 mircea_popescu nobody's throwing back flaming plastic bottle, that's for damn sure.
15:21 mircea_popescu anyway, cheapness and accessibility are the overwhelming considerations. the half liter and 1 liter plastic bottles more ubiquitous than "human rights"
15:22 mircea_popescu but yes, http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif is the image of the revolution.
15:22 mircea_popescu and quite specifically because, "kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp".
15:22 mircea_popescu revolution wins through that specific attrition, and in no other manner.
15:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which historic revolution actually fits the 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' model ? erry one i can think of had some participation of regular army with flipped sign bit
15:40 mircea_popescu it's the modern version of "breaking the will to larp". but consider the case of the old pretender : for 50 fucking years, the (orange) revolution was stuck killing the wanna-be-cop catholic larpers.
15:41 mircea_popescu (James Francis Edward Stuart, tryna be James III)
15:41 mircea_popescu if you take a narrow "history started in 1993" view, you can arrive at this "army" notion. but the actual equation underlying that ~as well as any other~ applications, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'
15:42 asciilifeform sure, and 1917 kept killing pretenders, and just about erry other example. but not with crowd hands.
15:42 mircea_popescu consider how the mexican cartel revolution in texas worked out.
15:42 mircea_popescu "oh, wikipedia doesn't recognize those events as such". hurr.
15:42 mircea_popescu depends on what you mean by "crowd". by tsarist books on "what's a crowd", lenin eminently crowd.
15:43 asciilifeform lenin + 2e6 folx coming back armed an' pissed from ww1
15:43 mircea_popescu every once in a while some rando fucktard straggles in here, "oh, you people aren't the world's only sovereign".
15:43 asciilifeform eminently != brick throwers
15:43 mircea_popescu lumea s-a schimbat.
15:44 mircea_popescu doesn't take nearly as much to topple a tower of shit as a roman arch.
15:44 asciilifeform if contention is 'tower of shit, takes a few brick' -- i'll buy
15:45 asciilifeform point was, i dunno of any direct parallels in recent white man's hist
15:46 mircea_popescu what's wrong with yasser arafat ? semites not white ? how about ira ?
15:46 asciilifeform ( will observe that it seems to take moar bricks/molotovs than the 'dindus' of bmore are able to muster, to date, they 'revolution' ~yearly but it ain't detectable at all from 100km with naked eye )
15:46 mircea_popescu how about corsican independence, how about kosovo independence, how abotu what have you ?
15:46 asciilifeform ira mega-example, gave up arms and went into reddit
15:46 mircea_popescu because they insist on being led by niggers.
15:46 mircea_popescu something along the http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/#selection-43.0-43.123 problem.
15:47 asciilifeform arafat's folx ditto, still living in concentration camps
15:47 mircea_popescu well, i suspect the problem here is that you use a yet-unwritten history book.
15:47 asciilifeform possibly unwritten at least partly cuz not actually happened yet
15:49 asciilifeform 'kosovo independence' another mega-lol, product of nato bombers
15:50 asciilifeform kosovo is simply condom clinton wore when he waltzed serbia in erry hole
15:56 asciilifeform even ro '89 'revolution', which i suspect is mircea_popescu's basic model, dun quite fit pattern : old regime croaked precisely when regular army turned on securitate. ( and yet somehow even after this, iliescu -- communist -- ended up on throne )
15:58 asciilifeform ( iirc mircea_popescu actually had a piece re subj, where not only about iliescu, but where all the new managerial class was also ex-party, because nobody else adequately literate, or how did it go )
16:11 mircea_popescu you know, that suspicion is somewhat on the level of "i suspect surgeon likes knives. because surgeon, geddit ???".
16:11 mircea_popescu but anyway -- events can always be reinterpreted through a glass so strange nothing is left standing. i dunno that any argument can be brought to the level of broken lens.
16:12 asciilifeform i'd like to borrow the lens through which mircea_popescu saw his model, but i suspect it dun work with earthling eye.
16:12 mircea_popescu there's no speciffic reason clinton wanted or needed kosovo for. the item existed on the ground.
16:13 asciilifeform iirc the serbs were doing an a++ job of bugspraying it, until intervention
16:13 mircea_popescu the elements of that specific conflict were separately, the croats, the bosniaks, the serbs, kosovo, and the albanians. and, i suppose, to be exhaustive, the gypsies.
16:14 asciilifeform lol on whose side, the gypsies?!
16:14 mircea_popescu now then : the serbs decided to produce a national state out of old yugo, through the process of cleansing a portion of ye olde yugo of everyone else and adding it to serbia.
16:14 mircea_popescu this worked splendidly well, and through the exact process described : they started shooting the "cop" larpers until no one wanted to larp anymore.
16:16 mircea_popescu similarily, the palestine situation. you wanna read it in a batshit insane manner, but the truth is that in the 30s-50s there was ~no reason~ for there to be a palestine. and yet, another 50ish years later, the us recognized such a state.
16:17 asciilifeform palestine winners not called yet, arguably, so i'ma leave'em alone; but what am i missing re serbs ? cuz iirc the 'larpers' won in the end
16:17 mircea_popescu leaving aside the cases where "army -- shot the would-be cops", from odessa to what have you, 2016 turkey, the point remains : shooting the larping pantsuit until no pantsuit left willing to larp is the only way.
16:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this "in the end" argument is about as boneheaded as "according to my painted-over skymask, the sky is maroon in color".
16:17 mircea_popescu in the end, kelvin won.
16:18 asciilifeform so contention is 'serbia not under pantsuit yoke' ? somehow ? or 'serbia will rise again?' or which is it
16:18 mircea_popescu contention is, "the only way through which revolution ~ever~ wins, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'".
16:18 mircea_popescu this says nothing of "in the end". that's nonsense, you've not yet done anything or not done anything that lives to this "in the end" stgandard.
16:19 mircea_popescu "in the end" ffa is a piece of shit, because events from star date 78987.4
16:19 asciilifeform guaranteed to fail when sun burns out, lolyes
16:19 mircea_popescu so then. "the only way to have medicine is by washing hands" "in the end, corpse anyway"
16:19 mircea_popescu duh. that doesn't invalidate hygiene.
16:21 asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu was going for a historically, rather than philosophically, supported statement. ( i dun even disagree, as such, 1917 was over in ~1926 when ~100% opposition was dead/emigrated . but wasn't pushed out by bottle-throwers, no. )
16:25 asciilifeform afaik last time 'amateurs' actually gave regular army a run for its money, was muentzer. ( and even there, debatable, had 'pro' leadership ; so possibly actual last time was... spartacus ? )
16:29 mircea_popescu well i mean, what is the diff between historic and philosophic you propose here ?
16:30 mircea_popescu it's a historical fact, the only way for a revolution to win is for the wanna-be pantsuit cop larpers being killed, in such numbers as not to leave any behind.
16:30 asciilifeform killed -- yes
16:30 mircea_popescu this is true universally, whether that number turns out to be half a million or half a unit.
16:30 asciilifeform that's not the part i have nitpick for
16:30 mircea_popescu and it is also supported historically, in ALL cases. both ALL cases during our lifetimes and ALL cases during every other generation's lifetime.
16:30 asciilifeform ( seems like trivial fact, i can't possibly dispute it )
16:31 mircea_popescu taking individual such examples and declaring "i interpret ~this~ particuylar case of 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' as somethingentirely else!!!" isn't gonna do much.
16:32 mircea_popescu the whole point is, "looky here good fellows, the similarity between pharoh tuth's death and granma ilsa's death down the street and every other smallpox death is -- variola virus!!"
16:32 mircea_popescu coming back with a "oh, but people died of rock crushing in ancient egypt more than now" is a very weird approach.
16:32 asciilifeform what i dun know of is any examples where the killin' wasn't done largely by orig regime's nominal armies with flipped sign bit.
16:32 asciilifeform ( or, i suppose, invader )
16:33 mircea_popescu there is no such thing! think for a second : "i don't know of a case of a star created out of either foreign material or accreted local material"
16:33 mircea_popescu holy shit man, star is made out of H. that's what H is, starmaker.
16:33 mircea_popescu yes, the MEN THERE PRESENT will do the killing.
16:33 mircea_popescu who the fuck else ?!
16:33 mircea_popescu "oh, but briefly previously this very same H was labeled ''planet x''." so what the fuck ?
16:35 * asciilifeform adjusts gas mask
16:37 asciilifeform i suppose if next week -- fr revolution, macron guillotined, nato expelled, etc -- i'ma have to eat hat
16:37 mircea_popescu in the specific case of weimar, it was sailors, specifically kiel sailors. ie, "not army". and so on, whoever it will have been it'll always have been the men present.
16:37 asciilifeform whoknows, maybe 5 d00dz with molotovs > regular fr army, at this pt
16:37 mircea_popescu experimentally, dozen doods with box cutters > usg "intelligence ocmmunity", two decades ago.
16:38 asciilifeform aha, or the serb baker with old s-100 vs reagan's $1b flying brick
16:38 asciilifeform does happen
16:38 mircea_popescu experimentally also, few k goatfuckers with kalash > nato army, decade ago.
16:38 mircea_popescu not a matter of "does happen". a matter of "strictly nothiong else happens".
16:38 asciilifeform well muentzers also happen neh
16:39 mircea_popescu or what, magically "palestine never turned tide" and ALSO "never heard of this afghanistan place-where-empires-go-to-die" simultaneously now !?
16:40 asciilifeform german algo ('if it moves, shoot it') would've 'solved' afghan.
16:40 asciilifeform ( why not applied, is separate q )
16:40 mircea_popescu right. because, again, 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'.
16:42 mircea_popescu and "why not applied" never separate or separable question. always delivered in a package with all other answers : "because there wasn't who".
16:44 asciilifeform upstack, why is it that 'kiel sailors' != 'army' ? or on mircea_popescu's planet 'army' specifically means infantry ? ( on mine, it's broad brush for errybody who subject to mil discipline, uniform, under command of the nominal crown )
16:45 mircea_popescu yes, traditionally in english "the army" means the army, as opposed to navy, airforce or marines etc.
16:45 asciilifeform hm.
16:45 asciilifeform btw lenin also with sailors.
16:45 mircea_popescu right.
16:45 asciilifeform ( at least, initially )
16:46 mircea_popescu potemkin!
16:46 asciilifeform aurora
16:46 * asciilifeform sings, 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'
16:46 mircea_popescu Князь Потёмкин Таврический, you know, the silent film.
16:47 asciilifeform yes. wasn't a xor but a +.
16:47 mircea_popescu they refugeed in ro, btw.
16:47 asciilifeform iirc ro didn't start throwing folx back until dej
16:48 mircea_popescu by then...
16:48 mircea_popescu this was iirc early 1900s.
16:48 asciilifeform aha
16:56 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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17:19 feedbot http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), November 2018 Statement
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18:01 mircea_popescu diana_coman ^ lemme know if issues.
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20:18 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878913 << this may work; there's only ~5 feeds iirc. Question is: would using the !1subscribe method flood the channel with old blog posts, or would it just grab the new ones?
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20:18 a111 Logged on 2018-12-07 16:15 spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience.
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21:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html
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22:18 mircea_popescu OleanderBloom 21F Exploring 3m "I do apologize for seeming unintelligent, and I must also politely decline the offer. I am not polyamourous. I do however hope you find another new edition to your existing relationships. :)"
22:18 mircea_popescu nothing beats a little bit o' arudition
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