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00:47 hanbot asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
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00:56 BingoBoingo In other old meme https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/9/99/Cavitysearchpedobear.jpg
00:57 mircea_popescu lol did you fall in a hole ?
01:02 BingoBoingo I may have
01:05 mircea_popescu and in other lulz : on the day of the democratic national congress, bula paddock in school, during music class. the teacher is "kids, prepare your instruments". bula paddock opens his violin case and closes it back quickly. the teacher notices, comes over, opens the case and finds a machine gun.
01:05 mircea_popescu "bula, what are you doing with a machine gun in school ?"
01:06 mircea_popescu "nevermind what ~I~'m doing with a machine gun in school. i'm fucking curious what dad's gonna do with a violin at the congress."
01:10 BingoBoingo Poor congress
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02:06 mircea_popescu and in other "romanian is 100% about sexual innuendo and nobody can ever hope to translate trilema.ro" exercises, ttp://trilema.com/2011/chec-cu-tite/
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02:27 BingoBoingo And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
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10:12 asciilifeform meanwhile, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/16/turning_a_hard_disk_drive_into_an_ear << prolly worx with all recent mechanical hdd
10:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread
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10:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 04:47 hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
10:19 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 16:21 asciilifeform: IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
10:20 asciilifeform and neither of these is a bug, or will ever be fixed, nfs co’s. ddosproofing relies on the dynamic ip shenanigans
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10:22 asciilifeform the up-side, of course, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720008 .
10:22 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 03:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
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10:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo heh they're finally starting to figure out that there's a fucking difference between painting a state blue in the sense that 300 more people could be arsed to answer the phone out of a population of 5mn is VERY DIFFERENT from turning a state red in the sense that you've got ten k people there ready to shoot.
10:45 mircea_popescu "hurr durr, so-and-so is traditionally a democratic stronghold in the very limited sense that people there are willing to spend an hour on a sunday supporting democrats if it's not raining, and if the support is limited to stamping a piece of paper once. and if it's not gonna happen more often than once every few years at the most."
10:45 mircea_popescu if they could figure this ancient trilema all on their own, WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN END UP GROKING EVENTUALLY!!!11
10:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun recall thewhet ever beinbg ddosed.
10:55 asciilifeform i have nfi. but 'fireproof house' is nice even if people only very rarely try to burn your house.
10:56 mircea_popescu i believe
10:56 mircea_popescu in other news, did i mention the splendid lebanese restaurant here ?
10:57 mircea_popescu it's becoming difficult to go by it, the warak arish / baba ganoush / cardamom coffee exert a discernible pull.
10:58 asciilifeform ( the sad thing re nfs co, is that it is in fact a kolhoz, quite like amazon's and the rest, but more ancient and built by actual men, vs 'millenial' scum, and so it actually ~works~, and delivers on the promise -- you don't own your hdd, BUT you never have to go down from a dead hdd; you own no ip; BUT no ddos; etc. it however IS STILL A KOLHOZ , with the complacency and inevitable day of doom that comes with this. )
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10:59 mircea_popescu myeah. living space, be it of the housing kind, or of the hosting kind, or of the hospital kind, or of all other kinds can only ever be operated as a kolhoz.
10:59 mircea_popescu because of the significant fixed costs and the very sharply limited scalability.
11:01 mod6 hola
11:01 mircea_popescu the demand is, as they say, very inelastic. if it comes to fucking, you can fuck whatever you catch : a lithe blonde today, a nothing tomorrow, a turkish hipped brunette next week. when it comes to eatring, you can eat three plums today even if you felt like two, so as not to throw one out, and you can make do with a chicken tomorrow, even if you wanted a slice of beef.
11:02 mircea_popescu but you can't have some bloodwork you didn't need today because they had some extra capacity, nor can you not have a yellow fever shot when needed because they'll have some next week. by next week their value is 0.
11:02 mircea_popescu inelastic demand + high fixed costs = kolhoz.
11:02 mircea_popescu hey mod6
11:05 mircea_popescu and this is evident both in how people dissolve the kolhoz once it becomes "politically" untenable (bullshit. there's no such thing as politics exactly like there's no such thing as "her feelings". she got fuicked because she got drunk, she got drunk because she was in the bar, and she went to the bar to get herself drunk to get herself fucked. politics is the "why" and economics is the "what she did".) : either they attack t
11:05 mircea_popescu he inelastic demand by deliberately (and falsely) elasticizing their demand ; or else they attack the high fixed costs.
11:06 mircea_popescu and in how kolhozes are sold (like for instance right after ww2) : "cost control" and "capacity utilization".
11:06 shinohai Hola mircea_popescu , mod6
11:06 mircea_popescu how goes.
11:08 shinohai Not bad here, working on adding znc service for those that might be interested.
11:08 mircea_popescu good idea.
11:11 mod6 good! just catching up on the log here.
11:14 mod6 i lul'd at your encounter with a "martial arts expert" in The Mechanic.
11:16 mircea_popescu ikr?
11:17 mircea_popescu anyway, for context, grabbing ass in 90s europe is a lot different from what 2017s us imagines it'd be.
11:19 mircea_popescu in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
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11:23 mircea_popescu i suppose could implement 512 byte camellia...
11:27 asciilifeform ugh
11:27 asciilifeform !#s serpent
11:27 a111 27 results for "serpent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serpent
11:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591994 << in particular.
11:28 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 17:48 asciilifeform: BUT it is in several ways, apparent to the naked eye, less retarded than aes
11:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform any proposal on a method to compare camellia and serpent meaningfully ?
11:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all blockciphers are pseudoscientific. the only differences you can take to the bank, is that camellia was approved by nato bureaucrats, serpent was not; and the fact that serpent runs in constant time ( branch-free ).
11:33 asciilifeform incidentally it is very simple to use multiple blockciphers and get guaranteed best-of ( asciilifeform described scheme in old thread )
11:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah, but developed by teh japanese.
11:34 mircea_popescu and approved by the euros. and put in during 2008 by the ustards, then taken back out recently "for lack of interest" ie nsa pressure.
11:34 asciilifeform it's quite similar to aes tho
11:34 asciilifeform uses tables/s-boxes
11:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm not going to burden the minigame dev with implementing two of these nosnenses in the first pass.
11:34 asciilifeform fair'nuff
11:35 asciilifeform fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
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11:35 mircea_popescu link ?
11:35 * asciilifeform digs in l0gz
11:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591981 << >> https://archive.is/hifdk
11:36 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 17:00 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HQmMH/?raw=true << example in ada. < 700 ln.
11:36 mircea_popescu danke schon.
11:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can has 512 bit block/key incidentally ?
11:38 asciilifeform very easily, using same algo as with any other block cipher ( xor splits )
11:38 mircea_popescu hm, wait, isn't this the item that was similarily-vulnerable to des ?
11:38 asciilifeform afaik no known breaks to date
11:39 asciilifeform and not similar in design to des
11:39 asciilifeform ( could just as well break tomorrow as aes et al could, voodoo is voodoo )
11:39 mircea_popescu is this ada thing s-0 or s-1 ?
11:40 mircea_popescu (as per customary and recently discussed with keccak, the actual item and the item submitted to the usg braindamage competition differ)
11:41 asciilifeform iirc it is the one in final draft ( submitted to braindamage competition ).
11:41 * mircea_popescu was a great fan of tiger hash back in the day.
11:42 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/in-criptograma-veritas/#selection-35.0-35.61 etc
11:42 asciilifeform it isn't even that asciilifeform is particularly enamoured of 'serpent', but does believe that any cipher that cannot be implemented in the style shown in the paste, is ipso facto braindamaged beyond repair
11:45 mircea_popescu i can certainly see that argument.
11:47 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , & co want to use 'serpent', i can make a pick-your-own-bitness-via-shamiring twist on above snippet. but prolly not until after i come back from voyage
11:47 asciilifeform hm did asciilifeform mention he is going on a voyage.
11:48 mircea_popescu the idea is for it to be cheap. construction atop it is not the best solution.
11:48 asciilifeform cheap in which param
11:48 asciilifeform ( cpu? space ? )
11:48 mircea_popescu ie, "if you want to carry ton of earth i can show you how to do so with buckets" yes ty, but ideally do so with ton-sized bucket.
11:48 asciilifeform in point of fact mining excavators use multitude of small buckets...
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform implementation complexity ; computing resources in that order.
11:49 asciilifeform then definitely existing-serpent-shamirized
11:49 mircea_popescu well, teh discussion was productive, we shall conduct some investigative footwork.
11:50 asciilifeform ( because otherwise you are making entirely new voodootron from scratch, will need test sets, etc )
11:53 mircea_popescu we need a cipher directorate by now.
11:53 asciilifeform lol
11:58 asciilifeform my current favourite voodoocipher is keccak-as-cipher.
11:59 asciilifeform ( constant-spacetime-able, and not in any particular way known to be weaker than the other voodoos, and you already ~have~, presumably, a keccak )
12:00 asciilifeform ( if it is not obvious how to turn a hasher into a ciphrator, and vice-versa, i will describe if asked )
12:01 * asciilifeform brb
12:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform done btw.
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12:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which done
12:52 asciilifeform ( keccak ? )
12:58 asciilifeform in other lulz, not only trilema gets plagiarized... https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/14/software-is-a-long-con ( https://archive.is/TYEEm ) happily peddles http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 + http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 with serialnumberfiledoff
12:58 mircea_popescu intellectual dominance, it's a thing.
13:01 asciilifeform 'It is to the benefit of software companies and programmers to claim that software as we know it is the state of nature. They can do stupid things, things we know will result in software vulnerabilities, and they suffer no consequences because people don’t know that software could be well-written. Often this ignorance includes developers themselves. We’ve also been conditioned to believe that software rots as fast as fruit. That
13:01 asciilifeform if we waited for something, and paid more, it would still stop working in six months and we’d have to buy something new.' etc
13:03 asciilifeform ( author has long history of jwzism : lobbies for legislative 'nsa reform', 'quit security journalism because draconian laws', etc )
13:03 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/ENtoS and elsewhere if anyone gives a shit )
13:05 mircea_popescu i doubt anyone gives a shit.
13:06 mircea_popescu but yes, the day git is replaced by v and us presidency appointments are implemented as a !! function, the ~same flies will be laying the ~same eggs on this new meat, equally like on the old. at least as far as they're concerned.
13:06 mircea_popescu the difference between the human rotting alive and the human not rotting alive is the first human's aquired immune deficiency syndrome, NOT the involved protozoans.
13:09 asciilifeform aha, staphylococcus is everywhere, and in yer nose, but not everybody rots.
13:10 mircea_popescu your cat isn't giving you toxoplasmosis even if asimov's cat gave it to him is because you don't get toxoplasmosis, not because it doesn't have it to give ; this is exactly the link to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989
13:10 a111 Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
13:10 mircea_popescu stopping smoking doesn't reduce cancer, because the sort of shameful shitsacks that GET cancer will get it, whether from smoking or not. if not from smoking -- they'll find a different stressor.
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13:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite.
13:11 mircea_popescu but this is the deep reason why "death from stressor - ban stressor" is not adequate a response. no, let them die. ban the dieing if you must.
13:12 asciilifeform reminds me, asciilifeform had interesting convo with pet re the dysgenics thread
13:12 mircea_popescu and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
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13:14 mircea_popescu died of fucking. which is a much better way to go than the dying of boredom, a la adriana ( http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/#comment-118515 ).
13:14 asciilifeform pet : 'problem with dysgenics hypothesis is that the pertinent change is much too slow' ' asciilifeform : 'entirely possible that descent and climb are wholly asymmetric -- just like process of falling from a plane is quite unlike take-off; 1 or 2 generations of supernumerary children failing to die, possibly can wreck the pool'
13:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall the classic http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learn%22+%22unlearn%22
13:15 mircea_popescu it is VERY unlikely to have any kind of symmetry involved there.
13:15 asciilifeform aha.
13:17 mircea_popescu anyway, back to gia : women, in the http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/ adult woman sense, have some things to do in this world. like say http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 ; these aren't jobs that can be done by non-women, and when they try the results are as sad as shakespearian theatre (not the text, the actual montage).
13:18 mircea_popescu most girls are disqualified from nature, by being short, or not having a waistline, or etcetera.
13:19 mircea_popescu of the minority qualified, there's readily distinguished three categories : the utter imbeciles a la maria schneider, sewing up their togas "for modesty!!!" ; the tolerant girlies who put up with the couch but no more ; and finally gia -- the chicks the fucking couch itself can't keep up with.
13:19 mircea_popescu "honey, here's the guys you have to fuck to get the part" "could they call some friends ?"
13:22 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other news -- girl goes shopping, comes back with pineapple SO FRAGRANT that it STANK UP THE ONIONS.
13:23 mircea_popescu tru fuckign story.
13:25 asciilifeform speaking of chix, realityloser denied bail, and amidst some quality freislering, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e2wnU/?raw=true :
13:25 asciilifeform '"hates" America, misused a top-secret computer during her Air Force career, admires Edward Snowden and Julian Assange... ...one need look no further than Defendant's own writings to surmise that she hates the United States and has plotted against the government. On February 25, 2017, during training for her new NSA job, Defendant wrote her sister that she would fail a polygraph because of questions conceming whether she had ever pl
13:25 asciilifeform otted against the United States Government. Gov't Ex. 11. On the same day, Defendant wrote her sister she hated America. When her sister responded with incredulity, Defendant proclaimed again she hated America and explained she feels this way because America is "literally the worst thing to happen to the planet."'
13:27 asciilifeform and, gold medal lulz,
13:27 asciilifeform 'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."'
13:28 asciilifeform ( orig. usg turd at https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4081446/Reality-Winner-Order-RE-Release-From-Custody.pdf ftr. )
13:33 mircea_popescu heh.
13:33 mircea_popescu funny shit, the ultra-pantsuit actually agree with the republic, usg worst thing to come out of fuhrerbunker.
13:34 asciilifeform sorta how ye olde su cashed in its chips.
13:34 mircea_popescu i guess it was, at that.
13:34 asciilifeform 'in the official dachas, amidst the flicker of tv screens and the squal of mosquitoes, the brass agreed that it will be the last generation of brass' or how did limonov put it.
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13:34 asciilifeform *sqeal
13:37 mircea_popescu anyway, here's the proposal : be it proposed that it is actually cheaper to explain to the brighter among the reality winners what exactly they never learned of history and theory, so that they renounce on their own power the assorted bundle of idiocy and sheer nonsense that constitutes the difference between republican and pantsuit or ultrapantsuit ideology,
13:37 mircea_popescu than to attempt to supplant the absent intelligence of the large mass of sub-pantsuit (they call themselves alt-right or whatever the fuck).
13:51 asciilifeform re 'wrote that she hates america', oblig stierlitz : '23 февраля Штирлиц надел свою старую, любимую буденовку, взял в руки красное знамя и, распевая революционные песни, пошел к рейхсканцелярии. В это день он как никогда был близок к провалу.'
13:52 asciilifeform or the even moar sacramental 'Штирлиц шел по Берлину. Мюллер узнал в нем советского разведчика, но не по ППШ, небрежно наброшенному на плечо, и не по парашюту, волочившемуся сзади, а по клейму фабрики "Большевичка", кото- рое забыли отпороть с внутреннего
13:52 asciilifeform кармана пиджака по истинно русской безалаберности.'
13:54 asciilifeform ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
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13:54 asciilifeform )
13:55 mircea_popescu incidentally fiber check was a major source of early makes. people ended up setting up "shops" in berlin to change.
13:56 mircea_popescu otherwise a hunchback dude with a magnifying glass could make you in a fucking cafe for crying out loud.
13:57 asciilifeform or see the rusty staples thread.
13:57 mircea_popescu aha.
13:58 mircea_popescu then from there it found its way into (german) police work, and from there to us a coupla decades later. much like everything else.
13:59 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."' << Lol, mebbe shouldn't have got her balls from a syringe?
14:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bigger problem -- got brain from chipmunk
14:00 mircea_popescu ahahaha
14:00 mircea_popescu sick burn for the anals of sick burns.
14:00 BingoBoingo chipmunk still better brain than most USian
14:07 BingoBoingo If chipmunk thought history started with Lincoln, Chipmunk would be fucked too.
14:07 mircea_popescu kinda common symptom this, thinking history starts with what it ended.
14:13 BingoBoingo Kinda how US teaches it. Before war of Northern Aggression, things happened with names occasionally attached. After "Oh noes people and their plights"
14:20 asciilifeform 'stierlitz was thrown from the tenth floor, but caught on a balcony by a miracle. but the next day, the miracle was swollen and interfered with walking.'
14:20 mircea_popescu lol
14:20 asciilifeform ( http://lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/vonstir.txt_with-big-pictures.html << largest collection asciilifeform knows of )
14:24 BingoBoingo In other legends, today some derps published an estimate, HeLa likely to lead to 30 kilodribble paper retractions
14:24 mircea_popescu heh
14:25 asciilifeform lolwat
14:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it infects in vitro cell collections, ruins experiments.
14:25 asciilifeform this'd suggest laughably poor lab hygiene tho
14:26 BingoBoingo Perhaps confusion is unit of measure. A dribble is an "academic" paper resulting from drool meeting paper substrate
14:26 asciilifeform ( the staph on your nose will ~also~ take over your cultures if you give it half a chance )
14:28 * asciilifeform realized that 80+% of the joakes, don't translate worth a shit, e.g. 'Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.' << can this be made to work in ro ? or do you need agglutinative declensions necessarily.
14:29 * asciilifeform has been on a lengthy ro kick but not equal to this job
14:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726098 << it does ?!
14:31 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 14:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread
14:31 mircea_popescu you mean, ip of the commenter ? or what ?
14:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of self
14:32 mircea_popescu no ?
14:32 * asciilifeform looks again
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and i don't get it, gotta be a cool guy to fight with fire ?
14:34 asciilifeform see it dun translate at all
14:34 mircea_popescu well im certainly no ru scholar myself.
14:34 mircea_popescu !~tr ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
14:34 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
14:34 mircea_popescu !~translate ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
14:34 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Stirlitz s'est battu avec une étincelle. Le feu s'est battu de mon mieux. Pourrait être un gars cool. Un faible faible n'a pas aimé.
14:35 asciilifeform more like 'stierlitz fought with gusto. gusto fought as he could. AsHecould was a man's man. aMans was a girl who did not abide wimps.'
14:35 mircea_popescu aaaaa
14:35 mircea_popescu nao it makes sense
14:35 asciilifeform well all the sense it's ever gonna make in engl.
14:38 mircea_popescu how about this : stierlitz s-a batut cu foc. focul s-a batut cum a putut. abatut era un barbat bine. barbatii bine nu beau lapte batut.
14:38 asciilifeform 'bout as near as my anglization
14:38 mircea_popescu it exploits the a batut (vb, to fight, imperfect) / abatut (noun, depressed) homophony and then of coruse a major trope of romanian humor, lapte batut, ie beaten milk, ie buttermilk.
14:39 mircea_popescu wait, do you want it to be near in form or in structure ?
14:39 asciilifeform either
14:39 mircea_popescu unless im missing something this captures the structure (for teh reasons stated above). am i missing something ?
14:40 asciilifeform imho it captures the structure.
14:40 mircea_popescu i doubt the form works in anything but ru and like, japanese.
14:41 asciilifeform asciilifeform's jp-fu too weak to say if works there.
14:41 mircea_popescu yeah we need some otaku ppls.
14:41 asciilifeform i was actually thinking of doing jp this yr.
14:42 mircea_popescu yea, possibly interesting huh.
14:42 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: d'ya have a warez of lisp in small pieces?
14:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: yes
14:42 ben_vulpes may i have a copy please?
14:42 asciilifeform 1s
14:42 ben_vulpes much appreciated
14:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://loper-os.org/pub/quinniec.djvu
14:43 ben_vulpes aaaaand got it
14:43 asciilifeform i have the fr orig somewhere but i assumed ben_vulpes wants eng
14:44 ben_vulpes i could manage with fr but eng does reduce the ognitive coverhead
14:45 ben_vulpes unrelatedly, hk colo facility quotes a cab with a c block and 10gbps at ~4kusd/mo
14:46 asciilifeform notbad
14:46 ben_vulpes 2.5k of which is the bw charge
14:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes o hey.
14:49 mircea_popescu are you moving into isping ?
14:49 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Oh my, who in HK is actually handing out fucking numbers?
14:49 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: nah just coming up with an excuse to fly to hk
14:50 ben_vulpes :P
14:50 mircea_popescu why not ? you'd make a fine isper.
14:50 ben_vulpes nono i kid.
14:51 mircea_popescu take teh babe & minibabe to hong kong, wash state isn't going to hold up much later anywayz.
14:52 ben_vulpes at the very least i'd like to go there to rack a few boxes
14:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
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14:54 ben_vulpes what would the terms be?
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14:54 ben_vulpes i mean yes, there's no way i can foot the bill for that thing myself
14:55 mircea_popescu i dunno, lessee. repayable in service charges / convertible to equity by mutual consent / convertible to one year guaranteed note at present fiat value in any case. how about that ?
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15:00 mircea_popescu actually, did that make any sense ?
15:00 ben_vulpes sounds workable in the abstract to the extent that i understand what you're saying; contracts like this are not something i'm familiar with so i'll have to think slowly about it
15:01 ben_vulpes how, for instance, does the equity conversion rate get calculated?
15:01 mircea_popescu by mutual consent.
15:02 mircea_popescu as in, we agree on something.
15:02 ben_vulpes right right
15:02 ben_vulpes and a "one year guaranteed note" means "payback of principle in full within a year plus some interest amount"?
15:03 mircea_popescu well no, no interest was specified, neither strict nor by reference, so there is no reference
15:03 mircea_popescu "contracts like this" are more important for what they don't say.
15:03 ben_vulpes aok
15:04 mircea_popescu anyway, re conversion, it's not clear that you'll necessarily want me to convert ; nor that i necessarily will want to. maybe. in general the fiatista "i want all the things" approach is not simply flawed but outright dumb.
15:04 asciilifeform recall bbet etc
15:04 mircea_popescu there are some advantages to having certain people in your equity base. such as that not being idiots, they won't vote stupidtly ; and so on.
15:05 mircea_popescu there are some advantages in having equity in some projects, such as that you can to some degree prevent them from going dumb.
15:05 mircea_popescu that's kinda the basis here.
15:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform any particular implication ?
15:06 asciilifeform simply re the 'contract is important for what it doesn't say' item
15:06 mircea_popescu a
15:06 mircea_popescu anyway, the fundamental problem, for which recall bitbet works as well as any other recall, is that you have ~0 chances of knowing at t0 what'll be fair at t2, because t1 is ???
15:07 mircea_popescu the fiat forced mistake is to "o noes, gotta write it down BEFORE". it is forced because fiat world doesn't have a forum, ie, can't communciate, and as a result there's no such thing as meaningful consent, or negotiation.
15:07 mircea_popescu the veheheheeeery shaky premise is that republic has forum and can communicate consequently is not so constrained.
15:07 mircea_popescu might as well test it.
15:08 asciilifeform the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
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15:09 asciilifeform picture if lenin's band had insisted on payment in advance / monthly invoicing etc .
15:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "service charges" eg sysadminnery, reboots, os install, vps hosting?
15:09 mircea_popescu i have this utterly psychotic delusion that i don't personally wish to take more than i should have ; nor less ; and that a general system can be built on these premises. why the fuck would he want for me to have fewer shares than i should have ? what sense does it make, he is going to fuck all the women himself ? with what ? solve all the problems ? etc.
15:09 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well obviously once you make it ima order servers.
15:09 mircea_popescu like i dun recall, what was it, 3 boxes ?
15:09 ben_vulpes i recall 3 sitting at asciilifeform's lab
15:09 asciilifeform 3 currently in asciilifeform's tortureroom.
15:09 ben_vulpes mention thereof at least
15:09 asciilifeform can turn into moar reasonably quickly.
15:10 mircea_popescu i was listing needs at some point. anyway.
15:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: investigate amperage also.
15:10 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: will do
15:11 ben_vulpes am working a few other quotes as well, will check in later
15:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: know anything re the vendor ?
15:12 ben_vulpes also rereading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721921 thread
15:12 a111 Logged on 2017-10-06 19:37 mircea_popescu: so in this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
15:12 asciilifeform ( how it is structured. i.e. is it a tentacle ? )
15:12 mircea_popescu hey, if he actually flies there and walks their room i'm pacified.
15:12 asciilifeform will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ?
15:13 mircea_popescu hang on, hang on.
15:14 asciilifeform incidentally anybody interested in the diskless variant discussed in last thread ?
15:14 asciilifeform ( theoretically, can haz 'eternal' boxes, welded shut )
15:15 mircea_popescu alf is basically an explosion. now i gotta go to all the shards and say hang on, hang on individually.
15:19 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: also what means "lockable sets"?
15:20 shinohai !~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/POE4H/?raw=true
15:20 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
15:20 shinohai !~later tell pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S24fh/?raw=true
15:20 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
15:26 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ? << /me figured camping out a reasonable walk from one's #1 rack reasonable measure in name of responsivity
15:34 asciilifeform 'stierlitz and mueller strolled around berlin, and saw some chix hanging around. 'shall we pick some up?' - suggested stierlitz. 'why?' - answered mueller. - let'em keep hanging'
15:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i dunno ? where is it ?
15:42 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721799
15:42 a111 Logged on 2017-10-06 18:34 mircea_popescu: and if getting a whole 4/16/36/42 ? lockable sets ?
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16:07 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: full cab provisions reasonably with 12.6kW if i understand previous threads properly?
16:09 asciilifeform notbad
16:09 asciilifeform this is a what, 42u ?
16:09 ben_vulpes am estimating and asking for a sanity check on my estimate.
16:09 ben_vulpes mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW
16:10 ben_vulpes have yet to see how this pushes quotes around
16:10 asciilifeform !~calc 12600 / 42
16:10 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 12600 / 42 = 300
16:10 asciilifeform aa
16:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: find also if the 12.6kW refers to peak or avg.
16:11 ben_vulpes what do your opterons peak out at?
16:11 asciilifeform 700 ea.
16:11 asciilifeform W
16:11 asciilifeform ( avg. at 200-300 )
16:11 ben_vulpes mk
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17:00 mircea_popescu and in random lulz, http://erikanapoletano.com/about/
17:01 asciilifeform whossat
17:03 mircea_popescu random chick. of no consequence other than in how typical she is for the "liberated" horseface-whatserhname demographic.
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17:21 mircea_popescu and to round off http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725352 : original blackhatworld was started by a moscow fellow whose name we'll elide.
17:21 a111 Logged on 2017-10-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725340 << i will admit to being curious re what it is mircea_popescu thinks he can use those folx for. they have the apparent intellectual ability of a turnip.
17:21 mircea_popescu it was very much what you'd expect (somewhat anachronistically) of a "silk road 2.0" these days ; replete with moderators scamming users, various independent activities (what the usg calls illegal) and so forth.
17:21 mircea_popescu this all ended in 2011, when a crack team of damien trevatt + gf (one jasmin choudhury ; split cca 2016 to whore out for deloitte uk) took over and pushed it in a "new direction", which consists of trying to make friends with the tedx zone of the blue usg. dood runs some minor conference organizer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723924 item on the side.
17:21 a111 Logged on 2017-10-11 15:16 mircea_popescu: you understand what concert promotion is yes ?
17:21 mircea_popescu if you wish, this is an interesting case of "orange revolution" of a web property. also rather an era ender, since 2011 they're no longer on the web but on the "deep" web whatevers.
17:22 asciilifeform the conversion of a heathenpit into a honeypot, without skipping a beat of music, is fairly common thing
17:22 mircea_popescu dude's vaguely amusing under the "trynna MP" angle, i guess, and moreover the process of pantsuit infiltration is pathology as any other, can be studied.
17:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
17:23 asciilifeform iirc there is even a usgological internal term for the process, but i fughot
17:23 mircea_popescu this is interesting because evidently conducted by independent agent motivated by his own delusions of "making it in this game", rather than the more typical case of employee trying to steal from govt.
17:24 mircea_popescu anyway, no schooling, started in the mailroom of ias group (toilet paper suppliers to hospitals etc).
17:25 mircea_popescu or rather, got sucked into there from some "anti-aging medicine" scam / youthful tripod business, whatevs.
17:34 asciilifeform contrary to popular belief, there is ~no moneys in the shitware biz. ( consider : spam makes ~0 ; ransomism trojan of global proportions ends up making a few dozen btc at best; what remains ? ...selling 'toolz' to ~penniless idjits ? )
17:34 asciilifeform so it's a -ev game. and ergo no surprise that the people playing it, are turnips.
17:34 asciilifeform not particularly different from the folx who play lotteries
17:35 mircea_popescu it's more to it than just that. up to say about the dotcom bubble, the Official Example of the USG Official Rooseveltian Doctrine of Social Mobility was...
17:35 asciilifeform it's ~exactly the same thing
17:35 mircea_popescu the macdonalds / walmart / liberty mutual "executive" program
17:36 * asciilifeform unfamiliar with subj
17:36 mircea_popescu ie, you ~have alternative~ : join this usg corporation, wash toilets for a while, climb the ladder.
17:36 mircea_popescu recent http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ as fine an illustration as any other.
17:37 mircea_popescu the problem with this is that it is ALSO a -ev game. there is no social mobility, not in the nato reich at any rate. the faking of it was becoming ever more expensive. and so cca 2001 it moved online.
17:37 asciilifeform napoleon's 'marshall's baton in the knapsack of every soldier' is a lulgag
17:37 asciilifeform it was a gag then and gag now.
17:37 mircea_popescu the self-same no education no family relations no money plebs that were going to go into mcdonalds ccca 1987 went into "seo" and "working online" cca 2007.
17:38 mircea_popescu that's kinda what's going on there. yes, turnips. like all peon spawn ever, like marius' legionnaires, like so on and so forth. they came out of a cunt and are looking for a grave.
17:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually the pseudobusiness tradition is older, goes back to the 1950s american pyramids, 'amway' et al
17:38 asciilifeform 'multilevels'
17:38 asciilifeform the earliest were targeted at gurlz
17:38 asciilifeform ( 'sell makeup-selling-kits to fellow hausfraus, getrich' )
17:39 mircea_popescu those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult.
17:39 mircea_popescu what it says, importantly, is not merely that the roosevelt system doesn't work ; but that participation is in itself degrading.
17:39 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
17:40 mircea_popescu anyway, the point here is that having lost any capacity to control the actual reality, the usg took the next possible defensive line, which is to say trying to control the conversation.
17:40 mircea_popescu which is what exact breach in the glorious blue pantsuit the above item is trying to patch
17:40 mircea_popescu and WHY google's "activists only -- not bloggers" project shield will take on an ~aspirational figure~ from the "seo community".
17:41 mircea_popescu and why reddit has "community guidelines" and so following.
17:41 mircea_popescu and, obviously, why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726096
17:41 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 06:27 BingoBoingo: And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
17:42 mircea_popescu the reich finds itself in the sad situation where the gothic line is falling apart.
17:43 mircea_popescu if blue usg can't pantsuit the conversation anymore, if the plebs won't sit put and eat their seoexpert/nfl combo, what could happen ?
17:44 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ aka, the generation without. what can you tell these kids to keep them huddled in that disafected warehouse, in 2017 ? 2027 ? once the lights go out ? 2037 ? etc ?
17:47 mircea_popescu aaand for the old crows of the eastern persuasion in teh audience, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYuVQDccNA
17:48 asciilifeform lol!
17:48 mircea_popescu aaaaha. it's a rerun.
17:49 asciilifeform Visam decenii de suveranitate << lollomatic
17:50 mircea_popescu and proud heroism!
17:50 mircea_popescu aka "where is everyone!!11"
17:51 mircea_popescu (this, ftr, was 1984.)
17:51 asciilifeform it is labeled aha
17:51 mircea_popescu aok.
17:51 asciilifeform 'Inaugurarea santierului pentru constructia Casei Poporului, 1984 iunie 25, cu secretarul general al Partidului Comunist Român, presedintele Republicii Socialiste România, tovarasul Nicolae Ceausescu.'
17:51 mircea_popescu o hey, check it out. proper period form, too.
17:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the warehouse kidz can be corralled into anything at all if can be persuaded that 'no alternative'
17:55 mircea_popescu this is altogether dubious.
17:55 mircea_popescu review the timeline lined earlier. 20 months of "depression".
17:56 asciilifeform and they'll do what ? raid the meth dispensary ? post angry lolcats on reddit ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703521 ?
17:56 a111 Logged on 2017-08-27 04:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703503 << 'he'll email you his fist...' (tm)(r)(mircea_popescu)
17:58 mircea_popescu i expect what they'll do will be actually very similar to that d gerard dude. sort of rotting away.
17:58 asciilifeform aaah ~that~ is already underway, for ~decade+
17:59 asciilifeform asciilifeform refers to it as 'yeltsining away'
17:59 mircea_popescu well evidently, dude's what, 60 ?
17:59 mircea_popescu pretty much, yeah. what ever happened to that entire generation after all ?
17:59 mircea_popescu "nothing"
18:00 asciilifeform 'nobody noticed but for the undertakers' (tm)(r)(orlol)
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18:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand though, they're ~already doing it~. usg SIGNALS can't hire outside of a pool of snowdens, mannings and reality winners
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18:53 shinohai Don't forget Philip Agee!
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19:16 BingoBoingo In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
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19:20 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult. << Kinda why Trump's ED secretary from the Amway family really grates the lizards scales. For all their talk, Amway made money helping blacks make money
19:23 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
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20:58 asciilifeform !!up erlehmann
20:58 deedbot erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
20:59 asciilifeform meanwhile, in shitcoinism, https://archive.is/SoYEM
21:00 erlehmann why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
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21:01 erlehmann i noticed recently, looked a bit in the logs, then did something else
21:01 asciilifeform erlehmann: isp turned traitor, and no replacement yet
21:01 erlehmann i think the infineon RSA super happy fun time triggered it
21:01 asciilifeform !#s dulap
21:01 a111 310 results for "dulap", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dulap
21:01 erlehmann traitor?
21:02 asciilifeform erlehmann: the infineon thing is a straight plagiarism of phuctor
21:02 asciilifeform erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper'
21:02 erlehmann yeah, i wanted to know if phuctor had caught something like that
21:02 asciilifeform erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725972
21:02 a111 Logged on 2017-10-17 13:36 asciilifeform: in other thefts, 'The researchers went on to find 15 factorizable keys used for TLS. Strangely, almost all of them contain the string "SCADA" in the common name field.'
21:03 erlehmann was it ever found out what system used 35 as exponent?
21:03 asciilifeform nope
21:03 erlehmann sad
21:04 asciilifeform erlehmann: understand, whole shebang is still running, on a 32core box in asciilifeform's house
21:04 asciilifeform just nowhere yet to colocate it.
21:04 asciilifeform erlehmann: re isp, story begins http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 << here.
21:04 a111 Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
21:05 erlehmann is traitor ISP more “we will not host this anymore” or more “took server” (why would anyone, results are public?)
21:05 erlehmann ok
21:05 erlehmann will read
21:05 asciilifeform read the log.
21:07 asciilifeform erlehmann: 'results are public' didn't keep the LAST hoster from stealing the server. or the most recent one, from stealing disks.
21:07 erlehmann wtf
21:08 asciilifeform i have nfi what enemy expects to find in there. launch codes ? obummer pr0n ? silkroad 5 ?
21:08 asciilifeform btw erlehmann you may want to talk to trinque re your key
21:08 erlehmann if it happens consistently, maybe it is an attempt to signal that enemy wants you to stop
21:09 asciilifeform erlehmann: enemy can fuck itself with a telephone pole.
21:09 erlehmann i would have guessed so much
21:10 erlehmann my key expired on 2017-10-10 probably, as it should. i made the error of creating a key that does not expire only once.
21:10 erlehmann so i changed the expiry date and uploaded it again.
21:10 trinque can we stop putting keys in deedbot that expire already?
21:10 trinque change it to nil wtf
21:10 asciilifeform move the clock on your box, sign a replacement ( that DOES NOT expire ), and see if trinque takes mercy on you, erlehmann
21:10 erlehmann but what should i give deedbot?
21:10 erlehmann oh okay
21:10 erlehmann move clock on box?
21:10 asciilifeform gpg typically won't use 'expired'
21:11 asciilifeform ( braindamaged feature, Just Say No )
21:11 erlehmann i just change expiry date after expiration
21:11 erlehmann then publish key again
21:11 asciilifeform iirc whether this worx depends on whether only your subkey expired, or whole thing
21:12 asciilifeform at any rate if you can satisfy trinque that you are the owner of the orig key, he might have mercy, erlehmann .
21:12 asciilifeform but nobody should be making a habit of this.
21:17 erlehmann trinque that might convince you http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mUVxs/?raw=true
21:17 erlehmann i'll do the rest later, it is 3:22 AM here and i want to sleep
21:18 erlehmann asciilifeform thanks for the log, that amused me
21:18 trinque just give me the same key but without the idiot expiration field
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21:20 erlehmann understood. right now i feel definitely too sleepy to work out the incantation.
21:20 asciilifeform goodnight erlehmann
21:20 erlehmann good night
21:20 trinque erlehmann: alrighty, cya later
21:28 trinque I'd make the switch to using raw n and e today, but am loath to build anything more using a libgcrypt that has no future.
21:28 trinque when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
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22:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726454 << o hey. no moar isis ???
22:17 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 23:16 BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
22:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726460 << hey listen, this place is not a good fit for your style.
22:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-19 01:00 erlehmann: why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
22:19 mircea_popescu keep asking this kind of dumb questions, get banned.
22:19 mircea_popescu moreover, if your intention is to actually not put in the work so as to avoid the need for such dumb q, how about you just get lost on your own power, avoid the need to get banned in the first place.
22:20 mircea_popescu and this dun go for him, either. if you're not about to make #trilema the organizing center of your life, don't idle here, it's not for you. read the website logs now and again like all the other nobodies.
22:21 mircea_popescu just for him* is what i mean
22:26 shinohai "Somebody must have haxxored it!!!!"
22:27 mircea_popescu psshh
22:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726514 << it's likely s.mg will have some kind of implementation for public comment before the year's out.
22:28 a111 Logged on 2017-10-19 01:28 trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
22:30 asciilifeform ‘p’ planned for < end of nov.
22:31 asciilifeform ( not meant to take the place of s.mg’s item, at least not immediately )
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22:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, still ISIS
22:51 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper' << Wouldn't hurt to have a Qntra explainer ready for when victory time comes
22:52 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> erlehmann: enemy can fuck itself with a telephone pole. << That I CAN get for you. When do you want delivery?
22:54 * shinohai misses Qntra greatly
22:59 shinohai https://www.eater.com/2017/10/18/16497858/florida-brewery-hatches-clever-plot-to-thwart-richard-spencer-event?
23:03 mircea_popescu we r disrupt!
23:05 * davout does too :S
23:09 BingoBoingo That's a scam. Who fucking drinks just one beer?
23:12 mircea_popescu these dumb fucks.
23:13 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/#selection-213.2-213.106 << and of course sophia and her dance student friend.
23:13 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723324 <<< btw this did not work out
23:13 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 11:28 davout: would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
23:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726456 << i've seen racks with actual 40 machines in there, but not without a lot of expert finagling. that's the absolute limit, because yes you'll also need a switch.
23:17 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 23:23 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
23:20 * BingoBoingo has been doing a lot of switch reading while waiting for numbers, is interested in how ben_vulpes asks
23:20 mircea_popescu i can tell.
23:23 * BingoBoingo also figures probably gotta own the swtiches on the rack to extent crapware appliances can be owned
23:24 mircea_popescu many dcs provide the racks with their own switches and dun wanna have them ever changed.
23:24 mircea_popescu if you supply your own switch we're talking actual ipx, rather than simply colocation.
23:24 mircea_popescu which yes, the time will come.
23:29 BingoBoingo Still doesn't hurt to put our stuff through a switch on the way to their switch
23:29 mircea_popescu i dunno. why ?
23:29 mircea_popescu you know some switch you can rely on to filter out magic usg packets ?
23:30 mircea_popescu (incidentally, this is the last level heuristic in evaluating the biofilmness, "what make/model is your cabinet swirtch ?")
23:44 BingoBoingo Well, how else does one get the ISP-ness of putting ips to boxes and managing other manages.
23:45 BingoBoingo And big box of G-series boards on its own likely needs switch
23:51 BingoBoingo And sure, switch is to be assumed evil until republican switch cerca 2020, but wat do?
23:53 BingoBoingo It's a sorta garbage truck, related http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-rican-secretary-state-blows-whistle-hurricane-relief-fraud-finds-unopened-us-aid-dumpster/
23:53 BingoBoingo "The video shows countless unopened boxes full of ready-to-eat meals in a dumpster, presumably thrown away by Puerto Rican officials. The video was shot in Patillas, a city on the island’s southeastern coast." << Pantsuit has to pantsuit
23:56 davout what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
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23:56 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: a different quote, from a tentacle of a satellite company of some sort, wants 5.3kusd just for 1G dedicated international connection
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