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00:20 mircea_popescu and in random weird, http://edgecasesoftware.com/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits.txt
00:30 BingoBoingo lol
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05:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true
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07:11 phf asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
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09:59 shinohai This is great ... what can possibly go wrong? https://github.com/Arachnid/solsha1
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10:52 diana_coman on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
10:53 diana_coman I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
10:59 mircea_popescu diana_coman probably flow control
11:01 diana_coman lol mircea_popescu
11:02 mircea_popescu i r halp!
11:04 diana_coman to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
11:05 diana_coman otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
11:06 mircea_popescu whats dmesg say ?
11:07 mircea_popescu iirc centos format is (sudo) setserial blabla, it lists devices / state etc with -g
11:11 diana_coman hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell; pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0; ehci_hcd
11:11 mircea_popescu i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
11:11 diana_coman will dig some more later I guess; unless someone knows this already
11:12 mircea_popescu does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
11:12 diana_coman what X? no X on that machine, lol
11:12 mircea_popescu ah.
11:12 mircea_popescu then nfi, pretty bizarre.
11:19 shinohai In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
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12:54 diana_coman shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
12:55 diana_coman hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see
12:55 shinohai Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here ....
12:56 diana_coman no, still hanging, ugh
12:57 diana_coman guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
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13:17 diana_coman eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much
13:20 asciilifeform diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al
13:20 asciilifeform diana_coman: also double-check your wiring.
13:25 diana_coman asciilifeform, screen works on *same machine*
13:25 diana_coman hence, more a matter of what does screen do differently
13:25 asciilifeform what means screen works ?
13:26 diana_coman screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
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13:26 asciilifeform yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
13:26 asciilifeform screen won't tell you this
13:26 diana_coman asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
13:26 diana_coman usually hangs
13:26 asciilifeform when you ctrl-c , what's it say ?
13:26 asciilifeform '0 bytes copied' ?
13:27 diana_coman yep
13:27 asciilifeform red lamp on FG lit ? flickers ?
13:27 diana_coman one in x runs of dd will even actually copy something
13:27 diana_coman green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
13:28 diana_coman well, working, no noise
13:29 asciilifeform switch the serial cables from one to the other
13:29 asciilifeform b/w the working and the sad one
13:29 asciilifeform entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
13:29 asciilifeform ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
13:29 diana_coman did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
13:29 asciilifeform 1) switch the entire ensembles places
13:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
13:29 asciilifeform 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
13:30 diana_coman 2. on same cable, screen reads ...
13:30 asciilifeform screen will not necessarily show anything if you feed it 8bit garbage
13:30 diana_coman but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
13:30 asciilifeform the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
13:31 diana_coman I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
13:31 diana_coman that is an ubuntu os
13:32 diana_coman yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
13:41 asciilifeform ugh
13:42 asciilifeform at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported...
13:42 asciilifeform it's a fuckknowswhat
13:42 diana_coman asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
13:43 asciilifeform hm now that's odd
13:43 asciilifeform betcha it's a buggy pl2303 driver.
13:43 asciilifeform do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
13:44 asciilifeform i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
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13:44 diana_coman hm, should have somewhere; will dig and try I guess
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14:03 shinohai !!up collarmeslut
14:03 deedbot collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
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14:03 shinohai Welcome collarmeslut
14:10 shinohai Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything?
14:25 BingoBoingo Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai?
14:25 shinohai wassat BingoBoingo
14:25 BingoBoingo Your serial port, you know so she can speak through
14:26 shinohai lol
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14:44 phf diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
14:45 asciilifeform phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
14:45 asciilifeform which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
14:45 asciilifeform ( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola )
14:46 asciilifeform i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
14:46 phf well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen
14:47 asciilifeform i don't see a mention of anything ~appearing~ in diana_coman's screen -- merely that it doesn't barf from nonexistent tty
14:47 asciilifeform diana_coman did anything appear ?
14:48 phf i assumed by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727227 she means that there's some kind of output
14:48 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 17:26 diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
14:48 diana_coman asciilifeform, yes; I was trying to get that through but I'm possibly too tired for it: using screen results in constant stream of data
14:48 asciilifeform pretty odd.
14:48 diana_coman on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
14:48 phf asciilifeform: you can have a hardware button fixed pattern: hold a button, a fixed pattern of bits come out that you use for sanity check
14:49 diana_coman on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
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14:49 diana_coman apparently uncompatible though very similar and reported same ofc etc
14:49 asciilifeform phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post
14:49 asciilifeform for enemy, for dust, for workings of ordinary mechanical failure
14:50 asciilifeform i dun like having rng that is physically capable of putting out nonrandom.
14:50 asciilifeform bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable.
14:50 diana_coman apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x; incompatible; same vendor id and product id though
14:50 asciilifeform ( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market )
14:50 diana_coman and so this one seems to be pl2303x
14:50 diana_coman gah, pl* not ps
14:51 asciilifeform nuts.
14:51 diana_coman but detected as pl2303,hence barfs
14:52 asciilifeform ugh
14:52 diana_coman "the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303; if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x"
14:52 phf a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
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14:52 asciilifeform phf: i fucking hate usbtoserial dongles
14:52 asciilifeform problem is that ~nobody has an actual serial port
14:53 phf they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
14:55 asciilifeform afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
14:55 asciilifeform i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
14:56 asciilifeform and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box
14:56 asciilifeform so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode.
14:56 asciilifeform who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats
14:56 asciilifeform who does not have -- cannot.
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14:57 asciilifeform it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware.
15:00 diana_coman asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
15:01 BingoBoingo In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
15:01 asciilifeform also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
15:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
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15:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter
15:02 phf прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры
15:02 asciilifeform ^
15:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727299 bwhaaha
15:09 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 18:52 phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
15:10 mircea_popescu teh sad truth
15:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727261 << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything.
15:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
15:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727264 << aww, the things i missed.
15:20 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 18:03 deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
15:21 shinohai Nothing worse than an introverted slut
15:21 mircea_popescu all sluts are introverts.
15:21 mircea_popescu extroverts make great dickteases.
15:23 mircea_popescu and in other choices and options, http://78.media.tumblr.com/93f81ba493dbb4d047886193c095ecfe/tumblr_nl99he3WxU1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
15:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727285 << ahahaha. totally forgot about this shit.
15:25 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
15:26 mircea_popescu cuz obviously no standard can stay unembraced.
15:27 BingoBoingo Cuntoo when?
15:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727308 if only such heroes.
15:28 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 18:56 asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
15:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
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15:29 a111 Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
15:29 asciilifeform again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
15:29 mircea_popescu local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
15:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar.
15:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
15:30 asciilifeform and i have nfi what do.
15:30 BingoBoingo Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession?
15:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this re diana_coman thread
15:31 BingoBoingo And the other 98?
15:32 mircea_popescu i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz.
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16:22 ben_vulpes eth kissing 0.05
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18:41 shinohai !!up sexylucy
18:41 deedbot sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
18:41 shinohai Hi sexylucy
18:41 sexylucy mircea_popescu hay Bitcoin por tetas?
18:42 shinohai Hola sexylucy .... imagino que esta ausente por el momento, puedes esperar un momento?
18:57 shinohai !~ticker --market all
18:57 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5970.0, vol: 14654.47240142 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5972.8, vol: 60631.91066838 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5978.0, vol: 4411.05321761 | Volume-weighted last average: 5972.57295322
18:57 shinohai !~blocks
18:57 jhvh1 shinohai: 490883
18:58 mircea_popescu sexylucy si que hay. b581b0a2 porfa.
18:59 mircea_popescu which reminds me, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724778
18:59 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
19:00 sexylucy un momento
19:07 sexylucy mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/DJ6p3B8.jpg
19:08 mircea_popescu there you go.
19:08 mircea_popescu sexylucy direccion de bitcoin ?
19:09 sexylucy 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
19:09 mircea_popescu !!withdraw 0.02 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
19:09 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EXOzd/?raw=true
19:10 mircea_popescu sexylucy tarda unas horas.
19:11 sexylucy si, ok gracias
19:11 mircea_popescu cheers.
19:11 shinohai A bot that can pay for tits, such technology :)
19:12 mircea_popescu the future of the human race emerges ever clearer.
19:14 * trinque does still owe a guide
19:14 mircea_popescu if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\
19:14 trinque I'm over here eagerly awaiting a printout, first non-hand-keyed withdrawal
19:14 mircea_popescu o hey. sweet.
19:14 * shinohai would be thrilled if he figured out a viable business involving deedbot/tips
19:15 ben_vulpes just the tips?
19:15 asciilifeform dice!!111
19:15 mircea_popescu shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come.
19:15 ben_vulpes :D
19:15 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ?
19:15 shinohai jejeje
19:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: no, do tell
19:15 shinohai s/tips/tits
19:15 ben_vulpes "#trilema: just the tits"
19:16 mircea_popescu hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head.
19:16 mircea_popescu she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her.
19:16 mircea_popescu after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?"
19:16 mircea_popescu "well there's no shoulders on dick, honey."
19:16 ben_vulpes heh mhm
19:17 trinque bwahaha
19:17 shinohai xD
19:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've got NUMBERS!!! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gZb24/?raw=true
19:30 mircea_popescu why are they secret ?
19:30 BingoBoingo Eh, figured someone would want surprise, but $3840/month 8kva and 2x10bps links
19:32 BingoBoingo Located in Sao Paulo, Brazil
19:32 mircea_popescu aha, bout same range as other one huh.
19:32 BingoBoingo Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo
19:32 mircea_popescu lol.
19:32 mircea_popescu aite, you gonna pursue this ?
19:33 BingoBoingo Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week.
19:33 mircea_popescu same q as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726308
19:33 a111 Logged on 2017-10-18 18:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
19:35 BingoBoingo Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
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19:38 shinohai yay buttsex
19:43 BingoBoingo This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out.
19:47 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
20:01 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.
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20:24 * asciilifeform takeoff in 30m
20:27 shinohai Safe voyage asciilifeform and have fun!
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21:15 mircea_popescu exciting times.
21:22 mod6 indeed.
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22:02 shinohai tfw BTC hits 3 trillion dollars @ kraken https://imgur.com/DFa8qqJ
22:02 shinohai SELL
22:02 shinohai lol
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22:48 mircea_popescu !~ticker --market all
22:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6065.98, vol: 17408.47924263 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6087.1, vol: 65906.06464691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6060.0, vol: 5057.83792347 | Volume-weighted last average: 6081.38854944
22:49 mircea_popescu dat bitcoin crash, > ethereum
22:50 mircea_popescu who ever could hope to pay for lulz such as these...
22:53 shinohai Not that anything has changed in a month, but almost 0 utility for Bitcoin Crash AT ALL: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6x6uqh/list_of_bitcoin_cash_accepting_businesses/
22:53 shinohai "My drug dealer accepts Bitcoin Crash" lmfao
22:54 mircea_popescu the thing, is, no-one ever accepts any of the alts other than as a bitcoin derivative.
22:54 mircea_popescu it's like claiming "we accept dollars AND euros". why, because the euro's a thing now ?
22:55 mircea_popescu "oh, sure, it has a float rate and everything". right-o.
22:55 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, https://medium.com/@nopara73/new-bitcoin-anonymity-technique-the-clusterfuck-wallet-d48aa1787324
23:00 shinohai Meanwhile, on yours all the "Hot" articles combined total less than I could make for writing a single Qntra. (maybe 2)
23:00 shinohai https://www.yours.org/
23:01 mircea_popescu doh.
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