00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
adlai what about the profiler ? |
00:01 |
adlai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007633 + sampling data |
00:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function |
00:01 |
Vexual |
all business |
00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so. |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: adlai is correct, any decent modern commonlisp gives you asm/disasm |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
sbcl doesn't even -include- an interpreter. |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
(and doesn't need one) |
00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i never said otherwise! |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
* (disassemble '(lambda (x) (+ x 3))) |
| |
↖ |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; disassembly for (LAMBDA (X)) |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 059DF529: 488B55F8 MOV RDX, [RBP-8] ; no-arg-parsing entry point |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 2D: BF06000000 MOV EDI, 6 |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 32: 4C8D1C25E0010020 LEA R11, [#x200001E0] ; GENERIC-+ |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 3A: 41FFD3 CALL R11 |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 3D: 480F42E3 CMOVB RSP, RBX |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 41: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 44: F8 CLC |
00:06 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6lQGbr_SU |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 45: 5D POP RBP |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 46: C3 RET |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 47: CC0A BREAK 10 ; error trap |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 49: 02 BYTE #X02 |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 4A: 18 BYTE #X18 ; INVALID-ARG-COUNT-ERROR |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
; 4B: 54 BYTE #X54 ; RCX |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
NIL |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
^ example |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
(amd64, for the very unalert reader) |
00:07 |
decimation |
lol @ vexual |
00:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112120 @ 0.00037463 = 42.0035 BTC [-] {2} |
00:07 |
Vexual |
such interjection |
00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that asm code breaks on https << unknown instruction |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual wins again. |
00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally this is a shitty asm! |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
* (defun foo (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (+ x 3)) |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
FOO |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
* (disassemble 'foo) |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; disassembly for FOO |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; 059E2CC2: 488D4203 LEA RAX, [RDX+3] ; no-arg-parsing entry point |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; C6: 486BD002 IMUL RDX, RAX, 2 |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; CA: 710E JNO L0 |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; CC: 488BD0 MOV RDX, RAX |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; CF: 4C8D1C25D0050020 LEA R11, [#x200005D0] ; ALLOC-SIGNED-BIGNUM-IN-RDX |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; D7: 41FFD3 CALL R11 |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; DA: L0: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; DD: F8 CLC |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; DE: 5D POP RBP |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
; DF: C3 RET |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
NIL |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
^ here we've pulled the safety out. |
00:10 |
ben_vulpes |
groovy jams Vexual |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
this gives us around 80-95% of 'c' speed |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
(in typical case) |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 1) it's a disasm 2) you won't see what you're almost certainly expecting to see (add rax, 3...) , because lispy memory architecture is still in use |
00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
moar like the evil one's used to |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
i won't say this is the world's best illustration, but it took no more than half a minute to generate. |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps adlai would care to offer a neater one. |
00:14 |
Vexual |
thanks ben_vulpes |
00:14 |
ben_vulpes |
!gettrust assbot Vexual |
00:14 |
assbot |
Vexual is not registered in WoT. |
00:15 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot Vexual |
00:15 |
gribble |
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00:15 |
Vexual |
fuck off cnt |
00:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69580 @ 0.0003735 = 25.9881 BTC [-] |
00:15 |
ben_vulpes |
first citizen of -assets |
00:15 |
ben_vulpes |
up yours, buddhi |
00:15 |
decimation |
I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening |
00:16 |
decimation |
!down decimation |
00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one. |
00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
you'd normally expect the opposite |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
lol, 'java' barfed bytecode routinely (on debug) |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
!up gabriel_laddel |
00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't this improved out of it ? |
00:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
ty |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: was |
00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda my point. |
00:17 |
ben_vulpes |
good evening gabriel_laddel! |
00:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth. |
00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry |
00:18 |
* |
asciilifeform read 'let over lambda', was not terribly thrilled |
00:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
ben_vulpes: Hello. How is life treating you? |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
that book had possibly the spammiest jacket, for reasonably sane subject matter, of any crackpot self-pub work ever printed. |
00:19 |
* |
asciilifeform blows dust off LOL |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
'only the top percentile of programmers... if you can understand this book, you are in the top...' |
00:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read. |
00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo |
00:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard |
00:20 |
adlai |
http://paste.lisp.org/+34DL |
00:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SQTm ) |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os |
00:21 |
* |
ben_vulpes resists temptation to troll alf |
00:21 |
ben_vulpes |
i know, i know. |
00:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
ben_vulpes: can you run gentoo on your macbook? |
00:21 |
ben_vulpes |
but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x. |
00:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176250 @ 0.00038187 = 67.3046 BTC [+] {3} |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: laugh, but that's actually what i used mine for |
00:21 |
* |
asciilifeform blows dust off 'macbook air' |
00:22 |
Vexual |
powerpc? |
00:22 |
ben_vulpes |
gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting. |
00:22 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo? |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
on strange iron? |
00:23 |
ben_vulpes |
forgive me, but is it all not strange? |
00:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips. |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
anyone even has suspend-to-ram working on linux-on-apple ? |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
gpu? |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
the demented 'broadcom' wireless nics? |
00:24 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: okay okay! |
00:24 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs |
00:24 |
ben_vulpes |
what do you mean by "strange iron", though? |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
actually for all i know, they might |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
it was long ago that i last tried. |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
strange iron being, say, that very same 'air' (circa '09) |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
as in 'that which few have gentood before' |
00:25 |
Vexual |
yah mean safari? |
00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"? |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i somehow got the impression that you were considering gentoo-on-applehw |
00:25 |
gabriel_laddel |
that is what he's considering. |
00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning. |
00:26 |
Vexual |
do tell |
00:26 |
asciilifeform |
describing the gotchas from the last time i personally tried this. |
00:26 |
ben_vulpes |
ah. |
00:26 |
asciilifeform |
not necessarily current. |
00:27 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"? |
00:27 |
asciilifeform |
in case ben_vulpes wants to play with it on one of his existing stock macs |
00:28 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it |
00:28 |
mod6 |
ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging. |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
on what? |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
(stump on mac?!?) |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: :D |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
this actually works as expected ? |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
why so amuse? |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
well |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
"as expected" |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
or only within a running x11 |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Vexual |
00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
mas tracks sil vous plait Vexual |
00:30 |
Vexual |
oui |
00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: only within x11 |
00:30 |
Vexual |
yah long bit |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
ah then |
00:30 |
* |
asciilifeform was about to be surprised |
00:30 |
mod6 |
i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet. however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet. |
00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
why would one bother with the native cruftery? |
00:31 |
mod6 |
i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point. |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i can't help but wonder how many folks carry around 'mac' as just a unix box with a very peculiar set of window decorations |
00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of Führers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high |
00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin |
00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally." |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
guessing - quite a few |
00:32 |
mircea_popescu |
a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist |
00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x |
00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
net result? |
00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
total failure. |
00:32 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs |
00:33 |
ben_vulpes |
Vexual: stale. |
00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint |
00:33 |
Vexual |
penis you |
00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block |
00:33 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently. |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i assume you built them for x11 |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
or ^ |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: where did you get them?! |
00:33 |
ben_vulpes |
mno, i am a nixy pleb |
00:33 |
Vexual |
liar |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: actually this very wedge (though differing tx id) has been documented in the past. see last night's log. |
00:34 |
ben_vulpes |
while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently |
00:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well is it the same ? |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
but afaik no one posted a meaningful dumped block |
00:35 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
00:35 |
mod6 |
how can i do that? |
00:35 |
mod6 |
need guidence |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if you were trying to get $proggy built for apple's gui to draw on an x11 instance, i regret to inform you that this won't work... |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir! |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png << these do work |
00:36 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Xxg5 ) |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3 |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/idekiller.jpg << as do these |
00:36 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I5XzVc ) |
00:37 |
Vexual |
053 becomes a thing |
00:37 |
mircea_popescu |
if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post |
00:37 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
also blkindex.dat |
00:38 |
ben_vulpes |
tips on running for precisely a single block? |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle |
00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger ? renice everyything ? |
00:39 |
mod6 |
during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector: http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A |
00:39 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1E4QQ9A ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Yp4d ) |
00:39 |
mod6 |
think that's the one to check? |
00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 they become full at 2gb |
00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
whichever's not 2gb is the one you're working on |
00:40 |
mod6 |
(This was from inside where it does VerifySignature()) |
00:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, that's all for me. nighty! |
00:42 |
mod6 |
looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb |
00:42 |
mod6 |
anyway, thanks guise. |
00:44 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwGWJMM740 |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
pfff |
00:48 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvcdEx-kdSk so jazzy |
00:51 |
Vexual |
stil drink peroni |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access |
00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
maaaaaas, Vexual |
00:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50620 @ 0.0003758 = 19.023 BTC [-] {2} |
00:54 |
Vexual |
ja neber descibe |
00:58 |
cazalla |
oh that argentine pres.. what a racist! http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/04/argentinian-president-racist-joke-china-trip |
00:58 |
assbot |
Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner attacked for 'racist' Chinese joke | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I63Ikf ) |
00:58 |
punkman |
I setup a 0.5.3.1 node yesterday, stuck on 168000 today |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
thanks for the repro, punkman |
00:59 |
punkman |
(on debian wheezy, rev_bump patch) |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3? |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
with a known-good blocksource? |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Vexual |
01:01 |
phillipsjk |
I don't think 0.5.3 supports bootstrap.dat, but I could be wrong. |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything? |
01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page http://qntra.net/categories/ now lives |
01:03 |
assbot |
Categories | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65hi8 ) |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo? |
01:03 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: what's a known-good blocksource? |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
the pay, not so much |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << of historical interest, re: fdr and u.s. brass |
01:04 |
assbot |
The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65D8o ) |
01:04 |
danielpbarron |
here's some progress: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build-nohup-tail.txt <- http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt |
01:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I65G48 ) |
01:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I65DFj ) |
01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Nah, hand listed at least for now. Over the next month or two will work on making categories more useful for browsing since mike_c wanted it so |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks |
01:05 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: I had one of BingoBoingo's nodes plus dnsseed |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
'the new state-of-the-art destroyer, her ambitious captain and seemingly fumbling crew were placed under arrest and sent to Bermuda for trial. it was the first time in the history of the United States Navy that an entire ship and her company had been arrested. The William D. Porter was surrounded by Marines when it docked in Bermuda and was held there for several days as the closed-session inquiry attempted to find out what ha |
01:05 |
asciilifeform |
d happened.' |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TzGV6YNmEM << what is this shit Vexual |
01:06 |
assbot |
Bok van Blerk - Land van Melk en Heuning (AMPTELIKE HD MUSIEK VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I66qGt ) |
01:08 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: I once finished gentoo quest on a two-generations-back macbook pro |
01:08 |
* |
trinque laments his misspent youth |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: finished in the sense of there not remaining a single peripheral that could be described as not entirely working to spec ? |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
even, e.g., power management ? |
01:09 |
trinque |
yep |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
neato. |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes ^ |
01:09 |
trinque |
I still have the kernel config somewheres |
01:10 |
trinque |
that said fuck that shit; I'm sure there's an easier machine to deal with |
01:10 |
trinque |
and that is decidedly not anything lenovo's squeezed out recently |
01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
oh asciilifeform that's a great story |
01:12 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: ever found the 'easier machine' ? |
01:12 |
punkman |
jurov: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this << I had one of these. It doesn't have wifi or built-in NAND, has SATA, can run off battery. Doesn't need binary blobs if you don't care about GPU. |
01:12 |
assbot |
A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1I68gak ) |
01:12 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: nah, tis but the rambling of an addict who will never find his fix |
01:12 |
punkman |
but also it died the other day, and no warranty |
01:12 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: unfortunately - expensive. and no chassis/powersupply |
01:12 |
trinque |
-or- when the hell do I get a dataflowputer |
01:12 |
trinque |
:D |
01:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129202 @ 0.00036638 = 47.337 BTC [-] {2} |
01:13 |
trinque |
I was thinking my love of relational databases (view composition, etc) would map to that model pretty well |
01:20 |
trinque |
there's this idea of streaming queries that's been kicked around a bit |
01:20 |
trinque |
sounds sort of like what I read on loper |
01:21 |
asciilifeform |
when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? |
01:22 |
ben_vulpes |
every night these koans |
01:22 |
ben_vulpes |
every night my tiny brain |
01:23 |
trinque |
zen stick's good for ya, haha |
01:24 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: yes, the power has been declared to be, then the lamp may make use of that fact as it does |
01:25 |
trinque |
vs say asking "hm, at this point in time are there electrons moving in this wire?" *plug* "Yes." *unplug* |
01:25 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
except that this is an astonishingly abstruse model for what the lamp/socket do. |
01:26 |
trinque |
select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles that occur after the query was begun |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
that nobody in his right mind would normally suggest. |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
why, then, suggest it for a computer program? |
01:27 |
trinque |
why suggest relational modeling? |
01:27 |
trinque |
lots of reasons treated by smarter guys than myself |
01:27 |
asciilifeform |
'streaming query' |
01:27 |
trinque |
"new shit came to light" |
01:28 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: What of lamps that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power, totally a query. |
01:28 |
asciilifeform |
what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. |
01:28 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: or say I only read when the light is on |
01:29 |
trinque |
the reactive model of just firing up reading when there's some light to do it by is nice |
01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
<Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary |
01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. << If pilot is gassy enough why not? Optimize diet for flight. |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
idling by my bicycle |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
doing nothing of import, minding my own business |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
goose *catches my eye*! |
01:30 |
phillipsjk |
DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions |
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01:30 |
assbot |
Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6edUF ) |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
i shit you not it makes eye contact |
01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me |
01:31 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: "bitch!" spans many species, lol |
01:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212700 @ 0.00036541 = 77.7227 BTC [-] {4} |
01:31 |
phillipsjk |
!gettrust Deathandtaxes |
01:31 |
assbot |
Deathandtaxes is not registered in WoT. |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other. |
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01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa |
01:32 |
phillipsjk |
s/basked/based |
01:32 |
ben_vulpes |
conclusion of story left for reader |
01:32 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: I'll do it while wiping my paper with ass |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
!b 5 |
01:32 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09VBVWZ.txt ) |
01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
and lo, i am logged. |
01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
my toy bitcoinds, wedged. |
01:33 |
* |
asciilifeform off to indent a bed. |
01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
my girl, somnulent. |
01:33 |
trinque |
my booze, gone |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
mine is not! |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
although i have no fags left |
01:34 |
* |
ben_vulpes elbows trinque |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
smokes, let's go! |
01:35 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: I'm deedbottin |
01:35 |
trinque |
to-night! |
01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
get it done! |
01:36 |
trinque |
let me get the thing to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
go go go |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
i've got... |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
a glass of tinto left? |
01:37 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume |
01:39 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack? |
01:40 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: he'd be arrested for... fowl molestation |
01:41 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: I mean bird disappears into his sack, not his sack disappeared into bird for a bit. |
01:44 |
ben_vulpes |
http://bernardlunn.com/2015/02/03/change-the-bank-by-importing-startup-culture/ << makes muh brain hurt |
01:44 |
assbot |
Change The Bank By Importing StartUp Culture | Fintech by Bernard Lunn ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6i0kE ) |
01:45 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: hah yes let the banks imitate the fucking valley |
01:45 |
trinque |
please do |
01:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16989 @ 0.00037081 = 6.2997 BTC [+] |
01:47 |
punkman |
damn, 200mb debug.log |
01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse |
01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
!gettrust phillipsjk |
01:47 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk |
01:48 |
ben_vulpes |
from namworld? |
01:48 |
ben_vulpes |
are you fucking kidding me? |
01:48 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes, I'm working on "1-click" deploy/build/run/log ansible playbook |
01:49 |
phillipsjk |
;;later tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope the 1MB line in the sand is not simply a power-trip. |
01:49 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: who are you anyways? |
01:50 |
phillipsjk |
ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I trade with him |
01:50 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah no clearly i can read that much |
01:50 |
phillipsjk |
*traded |
01:50 |
ben_vulpes |
no need to summarize your *one* rating for me. |
01:50 |
phillipsjk |
http://phillipsjk.ca/resume2014.html |
01:50 |
assbot |
Resume for James Phillips ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6k3Fm ) |
01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size. |
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01:51 |
phillipsjk |
Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? |
01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
no, not at all. |
01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
./bitcoind -datadir=my_butt/ -daemon |
01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works. |
01:52 |
trinque |
b-b-but my pulse! |
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01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
back to the deeds, you |
01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque |
01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot muxne |
01:53 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014 |
01:53 |
trinque |
:( sad thought |
01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
!gettrust assbot muxne |
01:53 |
assbot |
muxne is not registered in WoT. |
01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: |
01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record? |
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01:53 |
punkman |
^ no gpg key |
01:54 |
punkman |
!up Vexual |
01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
ah ha |
01:56 |
phillipsjk |
Well, if I ever get my Money Service Business registered, I will let you know. |
01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
dude |
01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
you're not registering shit |
01:57 |
* |
phillipsjk has not worke on that in like 75 days months |
01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
the mind boggles. |
01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action? |
01:58 |
Vexual |
what are you actually trying to do? |
01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
Vexual: tunes, let's go |
01:59 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-YJ3z4oPrI pearler |
01:59 |
phillipsjk |
Buy and sell BItcoin following the *letter* of the law. I am passive-aggressive that way. |
01:59 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEGY3x3dMI |
01:59 |
assbot |
Black Sails OST - The Golden Vanity (feat Doug Lacy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zCaiaV ) |
01:59 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh |
01:59 |
Vexual |
that got elanors tits? punkman? |
02:00 |
punkman |
no tits |
02:01 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips" |
02:01 |
Vexual |
ross about to get sentenced |
02:02 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants. |
02:03 |
ben_vulpes |
the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow. |
02:05 |
ben_vulpes |
even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women. |
02:05 |
phillipsjk |
The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either that, or remain a niche. We are talking less than 1 million users world-wide. |
02:06 |
ben_vulpes |
you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number. |
02:06 |
danielpbarron |
how is that even a problem? |
02:06 |
phillipsjk |
Death and taxes made a table. |
02:06 |
trinque |
/markov |
02:06 |
ben_vulpes |
dpaste it |
02:06 |
Vexual |
penis |
02:06 |
ben_vulpes |
i know no death and taxes |
02:07 |
ben_vulpes |
forum posts carry no weight here. |
02:07 |
ben_vulpes |
a table lol do mine eyes deceive me |
02:07 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: i pour! |
02:07 |
Vexual |
look at my codebus dls |
02:07 |
trinque |
I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb turds up to the server |
02:08 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: better just finish that yerself |
02:08 |
ben_vulpes |
bwahaha |
02:08 |
danielpbarron |
it's not that banks are bad; it's that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something |
02:09 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat |
02:10 |
phillipsjk |
https://dpaste.de/oUck Quadruple the numbers for 8TPS |
02:10 |
assbot |
dpaste.de: Snippet #302180 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6pMeu ) |
02:11 |
trinque |
phillipsjk: dem stats is not the fucking point |
02:11 |
trinque |
what TPS will the network do if it fails entirely? |
02:11 |
ben_vulpes |
no no no no no |
02:11 |
trinque |
or hell, let me run trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be the whole network |
02:11 |
phillipsjk |
well, that would be about 0. |
02:12 |
trinque |
and I'll do a goddamn million tps |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference. |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
it is not visa, ffs. |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
it is not mastercard. |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
it is not even swift. |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story. |
02:12 |
trinque |
GOLD. |
02:12 |
trinque |
get your forklift |
02:12 |
phillipsjk |
How many transaction per decade do you expect people to need? |
02:13 |
danielpbarron |
i feel like this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading the log for 6 months or so :p |
02:13 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: right? |
02:13 |
ben_vulpes |
too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year. |
02:13 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade. |
02:14 |
phillipsjk |
The top 1% will be lucky to buy Bitcoin once per decade. |
02:14 |
danielpbarron |
stock up |
02:14 |
punkman |
phillipsjk: the proposal is not to have 1MB block forever and ever |
02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
<trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough. |
02:15 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: requires equipment and *taps noggin* |
02:15 |
trinque |
all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once the thing itself is safe |
02:15 |
trinque |
right now it's nowhere near safe |
02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday? |
02:16 |
trinque |
you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in |
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02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: tell me about it. |
02:17 |
ben_vulpes |
at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english |
02:18 |
phillipsjk |
ben_vulpes, I have always assumed that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I think I mentioned that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.) |
02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet. |
02:19 |
danielpbarron |
are we supposed to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read the history here? |
02:20 |
phillipsjk |
Well, I guess I have to read logs to learn your "roadmap" |
02:20 |
punkman |
debug.log snippet for my node stuck on 168000: http://dpaste.com/3SS8V6X.txt |
02:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I6sTTN ) |
02:20 |
punkman |
looks same as mod6's |
02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar |
02:20 |
phillipsjk |
danielpbarron, not really, no. |
02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: what roadmap |
02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin is. |
02:21 |
ben_vulpes |
and it ain't changing. |
02:22 |
punkman |
did anyone try running phoundation's 0.6 ? |
02:22 |
phillipsjk |
It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. |
02:23 |
punkman |
phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam |
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02:23 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam. |
02:24 |
fluffypony |
phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam. |
02:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196400 @ 0.00036017 = 70.7374 BTC [-] {2} |
02:24 |
phillipsjk |
<ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet. |
02:25 |
ben_vulpes |
yes, i said that. |
02:25 |
punkman |
not just scarcity, slower block propagation can be disastrous |
02:25 |
trinque |
dude the average block size has to be what, 250kb right now? |
02:25 |
ben_vulpes |
the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos. |
02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size |
02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird. |
02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other |
02:27 |
phillipsjk |
I always cringe when lusers on the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation" times. |
02:28 |
phillipsjk |
That is the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block| |
02:29 |
phillipsjk |
Well, thanks for the chat. |
02:29 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right? |
02:30 |
phillipsjk |
So is Bitcoin. |
02:30 |
punkman |
So is earth. |
02:31 |
phillipsjk |
Currently Bitcoin is testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible. |
02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain. |
02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
no, it's possible. |
02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
the sigs hash. |
02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
the blocks chain. |
02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
the experiment succeded. |
02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
scuse me, monero is a "hobby". |
02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
there is no "testing" of bitcoin. |
02:32 |
trinque |
will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? |
02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto. |
02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: TIAS |
02:33 |
ben_vulpes |
phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? |
02:33 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: wat |
02:33 |
punkman |
trinque: if you can build the transaction elsewhere |
02:33 |
ben_vulpes |
Try It And See |
02:33 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: no way sounds lame |
02:33 |
ben_vulpes |
Welcome to BITCOIN |
02:34 |
phillipsjk |
No, back in 2009, my ISP said that they reserve the right to "inject ads in the browser". I have been singing my e-mail ever since. |
02:34 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: i'd hope so. |
02:34 |
ben_vulpes |
i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night |
02:34 |
trinque |
lol |
02:35 |
ben_vulpes |
back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher |
02:35 |
BingoBoingo |
<phillipsjk> It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. << His definition of spam is both more complex and stupider than that |
02:36 |
punkman |
"let's block fee paying transactions, yay!" |
02:36 |
phillipsjk |
BingoBoingo, for some strange reason, I don't doubt you. |
02:36 |
ben_vulpes |
the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low. |
02:37 |
ben_vulpes |
especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics. |
02:37 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident phillipsjk |
02:37 |
gribble |
Nick 'phillipsjk', with hostmask 'phillipsjk!~james@unaffiliated/phillipsjk', is not identified. |
02:37 |
ben_vulpes |
oh well clearly fuck right off then. |
02:37 |
danielpbarron |
!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878 |
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02:37 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of -1 for phillipsjk with note: get back to me in six months |
02:37 |
danielpbarron |
!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ben_vulpes.1:d92e6c6794ef16570291b960cfc1f164b7e1dd41eb85d812c2ecfe1b9f870592 |
02:37 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: a *real* bitcoin dev |
02:37 |
ben_vulpes |
oh gosh don't do that danielpbarron |
02:38 |
ben_vulpes |
you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring |
02:38 |
ben_vulpes |
:P |
02:38 |
ben_vulpes |
how is this phillipsjk voiced again? |
02:39 |
phillipsjk |
I authe with assbot, not gribble. |
02:39 |
phillipsjk |
!down |
02:39 |
phillipsjk |
!down phillipsjk |
02:39 |
ben_vulpes |
no, you're not even identified. |
02:39 |
ben_vulpes |
mm oh |
02:39 |
punkman |
;;ident ben_vulpes |
02:39 |
gribble |
Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified. |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
*sigh* |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
FINE |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident ben_vulpes |
02:40 |
gribble |
Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified. |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
;;eauth ben_vulpes |
02:40 |
gribble |
Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA |
02:40 |
punkman |
we don't really do that anymore |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff |
02:40 |
gribble |
You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA |
02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: no, but it makes a point. |
02:41 |
ben_vulpes |
my tooling works. |
02:41 |
trinque |
deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt |
02:41 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I6yUQq ) |
02:41 |
punkman |
add-key? |
02:42 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah, what is this add-key? |
02:42 |
trinque |
deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt |
02:42 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I6zfCs ) |
02:42 |
trinque |
doo eeeet |
02:42 |
trinque |
something's not talking to something *crawls back under car* |
02:42 |
ben_vulpes |
!s testing in production |
02:42 |
assbot |
19 results for 'testing in production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=testing+in+production |
02:42 |
trinque |
add-key adds your public key to the bot's keyring |
02:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00037334 = 55.329 BTC [+] {3} |
02:43 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: nah works in pm |
02:43 |
trinque |
I think that's a setting |
02:43 |
trinque |
anyhow add-key adds your key *if* you're in assbot's L1 or L2 |
02:44 |
danielpbarron |
doesn't the bot know your key if it knows you're in the l2? |
02:44 |
trinque |
add-deed noms a gpg signed document and queues it for timestamping |
02:45 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: you give it your key; it checks the web api, adds the key to the keyring if you're in l1/l2 |
02:45 |
trinque |
as per spec |
02:45 |
trinque |
and only eats docs with signatures it can verify |
02:46 |
danielpbarron |
ah |
02:48 |
ben_vulpes |
deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt |
02:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 ) |
02:48 |
ben_vulpes |
that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque |
02:49 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: duh |
02:49 |
ben_vulpes |
ALL I HAVE IS DUH |
02:49 |
ben_vulpes |
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE |
02:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00038368 = 37.3436 BTC [+] {2} |
02:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42136 @ 0.00038734 = 16.321 BTC [+] {2} |
02:51 |
trinque |
!up deedbot- |
02:51 |
punkman |
lol |
02:51 |
trinque |
deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt |
02:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/16jKyFV ) |
02:51 |
deedbot- |
imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 |
02:51 |
trinque |
deerrrrppp |
02:51 |
ben_vulpes |
deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt |
02:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 ) |
02:51 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
02:51 |
danielpbarron |
!b 17 |
02:51 |
assbot |
Last 17 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02BHHPQ.txt ) |
02:52 |
ben_vulpes |
is the flatfile host up yet? |
02:52 |
trinque |
deedbot.org |
02:53 |
trinque |
I'm fiddling with the publisher |
02:53 |
ben_vulpes |
dat unstyled text |
02:53 |
ben_vulpes |
turns me on |
02:53 |
trinque |
probably will have no css |
02:53 |
ben_vulpes |
no css is best css |
02:54 |
ben_vulpes |
mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer |
| |
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03:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31019 @ 0.00038861 = 12.0543 BTC [+] |
03:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 19493 @ 0.00096996 = 18.9074 BTC [+] {11} |
03:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0009705 = 1.941 BTC [+] {2} |
03:18 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBis7_FhgmQ |
03:18 |
assbot |
Frames Janco - No Sleep [Prod. by SouthWest] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PRFI5 ) |
03:18 |
punkman |
!up Vexual |
03:21 |
punkman |
!up deedbot- |
03:22 |
Vexual |
didnt james franco cut his arm of for sport? |
03:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Bioshock is real life |
03:23 |
BingoBoingo |
http://io9.com/confirmation-that-photosynthesizing-sea-slugs-steal-gen-1683702602 |
03:23 |
assbot |
Confirmation That Photosynthesizing Sea Slugs Steal Genes From Algae ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSfp1 ) |
03:23 |
Vexual |
bioshokc pron is a thing |
03:24 |
Vexual |
forget bix |
03:25 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgaRgcDeFI |
03:25 |
assbot |
Hazel - Dayglo [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSyAl ) |
03:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00038861 = 13.5625 BTC [+] |
03:27 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YW_RqTuZMw |
03:27 |
assbot |
BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Ray Gun ft. DOOM (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSNv4 ) |
03:27 |
danielpbarron |
height=185126 |
03:28 |
punkman |
danielpbarron: with orphanage burner? |
03:28 |
danielpbarron |
not sure |
03:28 |
danielpbarron |
that's the one ascii compiled and hosted |
03:28 |
danielpbarron |
i hope i'm close to getting it compiled myself |
03:29 |
danielpbarron |
!s pogo |
03:29 |
assbot |
78 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo |
03:30 |
danielpbarron |
Vexual, ^ |
03:30 |
punkman |
danielpbarron: this one? "bitcoin-armv5-bastard includes the 'orphanage burner'" |
03:32 |
danielpbarron |
ya |
03:32 |
Vexual |
ill be loadinging up m old eeepc |
03:32 |
danielpbarron |
oh i forgot he made two of them |
03:32 |
Vexual |
maybe if it owrks |
03:33 |
Vexual |
ive obly got one? |
03:34 |
Vexual |
luckily the book doesnt nessitate anything in particular |
03:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87790 @ 0.00038861 = 34.1161 BTC [+] |
03:38 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1tlyGcAHbU |
03:38 |
assbot |
Jay Electronica - Eternal Sunshine (The Pledge) (Full 15-minute version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUdpq ) |
03:40 |
punkman |
http://matrix.org/ |
03:40 |
assbot |
Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUsRn ) |
03:44 |
punkman |
artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec |
03:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134500 @ 0.00036454 = 49.0306 BTC [-] {3} |
03:59 |
punkman |
lol http://www.anthemfacts.com/ |
03:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DB31c3 ) |
04:00 |
punkman |
"if you are Anthem member, or if you were an Anthem member, you've been doxxed... and quite comprehensively. And you were doxxed nearly two months ago. Or maybe not, because Anthem goes out of its way to NOT tell you when this occurred. If you were affected here's how they will notify you:" |
04:00 |
punkman |
"We continue working to identify the members who are impacted. We will begin to mail letters to impacted members in the coming weeks." |
04:03 |
fluffypony |
what's Anthem? |
04:03 |
fluffypony |
(scuse my ignorance) |
04:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00038861 = 16.5936 BTC [+] |
04:05 |
punkman |
fluffypony: some insurance company |
04:05 |
fluffypony |
ah ok |
| |
~ 52 minutes ~ |
04:57 |
punkman |
"app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg |
| |
↖ |
04:57 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6eMS ) |
05:01 |
punkman |
http://www.omaha.com/money/impostors-bilk-omaha-s-scoular-co-out-of-million/article_25af3da5-d475-5f9d-92db-52493258d23d.html |
05:01 |
assbot |
Impostors bilk Omaha's Scoular Co. out of $17.2 million - Omaha.com: Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6Guz ) |
05:04 |
punkman |
scammer pretended to be the CEO, told employee to plz send monies to china: "For the last months we have been working, in coordination and under the supervision of the SEC, on acquiring a Chinese company. ... This is very sensitive, so please only communicate with me through this email, in order for us not to infringe SEC regulations." |
05:10 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing |
05:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record? |
05:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156200 @ 0.00038899 = 60.7602 BTC [+] {2} |
05:12 |
punkman |
https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006670.html |
05:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5802 @ 0.00095 = 5.5119 BTC [-] {8} |
05:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1145 @ 0.00094837 = 1.0859 BTC [-] {4} |
05:29 |
cazalla |
from a ransomware news piece.. "Once their files are returned, the Niedermayers plan to have their hard drive professionally wiped, and will change their IP address." |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
I'm going to offer professional wiping services |
| |
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06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183550 @ 0.00039151 = 71.8617 BTC [+] {2} |
06:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156572 @ 0.0003924 = 61.4389 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
06:25 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007996 < ilold |
06:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 06:52:46; trinque: b-b-but my pulse! |
06:25 |
kakobrekla |
enjoyable logs tonite. |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
06:53 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.mit.edu/~jerryzli/SprayList-CR.pdf |
06:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DBxpTI ) |
06:54 |
kakobrekla |
they basically claim random ftw, which is lulzy |
| |
~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~ |
08:07 |
BingoBoingo |
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/03/worlds-most-expensive-drug-prescription-that-costs-up-to-700000-per-year-too-expensive-canada-says/ |
08:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00038908 = 25.7766 BTC [-] |
08:10 |
thestringpuller |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2utl7p/lol_coinbase_for_getting_mad_at_redditors_for/cobkp02 |
08:10 |
thestringpuller |
can coinbase and bitpay die already? |
08:12 |
thestringpuller |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uu1iu/permanently_keeping_the_1mb_antispam_restriction/ << redditards are so dumb |
08:15 |
thestringpuller |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 << has deathandtaxes argument been discussed et? |
08:20 |
jurov |
adlai: if you have problems opening exchange account, maybe we can do it together. but i'm not touching btc-e or buttstamp |
08:20 |
jurov |
we can use paymium or maybe coinmate.. but dunno if it works with smaller volume |
08:21 |
jurov |
perhaps i can look into kraken |
| |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
08:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.00038908 = 15.427 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
09:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.0003877 = 39.8943 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
09:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16682 @ 0.00038366 = 6.4002 BTC [-] |
09:39 |
thestringpuller |
ls |
09:52 |
PeterL |
PeterL: http://bablogs.btcscoop.com is back up now |
09:52 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets blog posts ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuJf4y ) |
09:59 |
lobbes |
woo, finally got my VPS up and running. Now I just have to teach myself the basics of linux (Debian 7). So far I know how to view my current directory. Next step: running a node! |
09:59 |
lobbes |
plenty of comedy gold (tm) to follow |
09:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00038366 = 41.6847 BTC [-] |
10:04 |
thestringpuller |
PeterL: is scoopbot fetching again :P |
10:04 |
PeterL |
should be, I just restarted it a minute ago |
10:05 |
PeterL |
I'm not sure why he stops, but it seems to get fixed if I restart |
10:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101371 @ 0.00038759 = 39.2904 BTC [+] {2} |
10:15 |
mike_c |
PeterL: nice! i missed having that page. |
10:29 |
asciilifeform |
282547. |
10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
like 5k over a day ? |
10:31 |
jurov |
https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula insanity. this recipe properly downloads and checksums a gpg key for epel repository, and then happily uses another one |
10:31 |
assbot |
saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D20CJg ) |
10:31 |
jurov |
like, no one looked at it before? |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov o.O ?! |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
Many Eyes (TM) !11! |
10:33 |
PeterL |
well now somebody found it, many eyes worked |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ? |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
not even medicine. not even religion. |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic. |
10:34 |
PeterL |
the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ... |
10:34 |
jurov |
PeterL: yes I found it..after half year |
10:34 |
jurov |
er.. one and half year |
10:34 |
PeterL |
I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere |
10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-] |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
sarcasm tag's one history! |
10:35 |
jurov |
#devops at one's own peril |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
computers are evil, there's no two ways about it. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/02/03/swingers-club-council/22813945/ |
10:36 |
assbot |
Swingers club adds councilwoman's picture to website ... ( http://bit.ly/1D21tK3 ) |
10:38 |
punkman |
swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy! |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"christisn school campus" wtf is that even |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite. |
10:39 |
punkman |
http://goodpasture.org/ |
10:39 |
assbot |
Goodpasture Christian School | "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... ( http://bit.ly/1D223at ) |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
motherfucker. the cheek. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
haha check out the almost-mscomic font. |
10:41 |
punkman |
running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far |
| |
↖ |
10:41 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 ) |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment. |
10:41 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
10:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2} |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Rippleflip_ |
10:44 |
Rippleflip_ |
hello |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BigBitz |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i up noobs anyway ya know. |
10:44 |
BigBitz |
mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up. |
10:44 |
Rippleflip_ |
i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc |
10:45 |
Rippleflip_ |
we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services |
10:45 |
PeterL |
who is we? |
10:45 |
Rippleflip_ |
our team. read more from https://stellarflip.com/sale.txt |
10:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D233eO ) |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ripp, lef and lip |
10:46 |
BigBitz |
1250BTC. Cheap. |
10:46 |
chetty |
how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we |
10:46 |
Rippleflip_ |
bitbet.us is valued at 2000 BTC |
10:46 |
Rippleflip_ |
sorry chetty for my language |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
market-valued. |
10:46 |
Rippleflip_ |
yes |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, kinda different story. |
10:46 |
Rippleflip_ |
yes, i see. |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ? |
10:47 |
Rippleflip_ |
yes. gambling. |
10:47 |
BigBitz |
mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple. |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ? |
10:47 |
Rippleflip_ |
we have much indonesian speaking players |
10:47 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: yes. |
10:47 |
BigBitz |
scamcoin 101. |
10:47 |
BigBitz |
pump. dump. run. |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
how about 1250 ripples ? or 1250 stellars ? |
10:48 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us. |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
plus perhaps a little something for the missus ? |
10:48 |
BigBitz |
Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge. |
10:49 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations |
10:49 |
Rippleflip_ |
bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000 |
10:50 |
jurov |
Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you figure significantly less ?! |
10:50 |
jurov |
and selling only code/domain |
10:50 |
PeterL |
do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year? |
10:50 |
Rippleflip_ |
jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small |
10:50 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: wagers per time |
10:50 |
Rippleflip_ |
or just wagers. |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nonono. wagers-time. |
10:50 |
Rippleflip_ |
do your research please |
10:51 |
danielpbarron |
!b 10 |
10:51 |
assbot |
Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1X1RKKN.txt ) |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site, |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds |
10:51 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
see above. |
10:53 |
punkman |
8million STR total profit = 134 BTC |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ah now i see his logic. so |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 2000 / 21340 * 134 |
10:54 |
gribble |
12.5585754452 |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that's whence the 1250 comes from |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ? |
10:54 |
Rippleflip_ |
yes |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
where does it even trade these days ? |
10:55 |
Rippleflip_ |
i assume it is possible. |
10:55 |
thestringpuller |
so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work? |
10:55 |
punkman |
3,595,158,975 stellars available now |
10:55 |
BigBitz |
'assume' do your research, please. |
10:55 |
Rippleflip_ |
poloniex.com at least. and inside network |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
well of coruse you'd assume, no doub on that socre. |
10:55 |
thestringpuller |
and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time. |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ? |
10:55 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you |
10:56 |
Rippleflip_ |
for serious inquiries please email us. |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
is stellar xmr ? |
10:56 |
Rippleflip_ |
or pm here, both work. |
10:56 |
Rippleflip_ |
no |
10:56 |
BigBitz |
selling 10M STR would destroy their market. |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
a no str |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
STR0.0000165463.358-2.88Stellar |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
STR0.003871110.080+0.10Stellar |
10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ? |
10:58 |
Rippleflip_ |
looks like that |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
seems it only exists to trade xmr this thing, since https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_str styill spends 90% of the page listing the xmr market. weird. |
10:59 |
assbot |
Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1D25fmt ) |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony is this poloniex thing your folks' ? |
10:59 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: no |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
where is the official place to trade monero ? |
10:59 |
fluffypony |
that has the most liquidity |
10:59 |
fluffypony |
hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts. |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive. |
11:02 |
fluffypony |
there's a shitload of liquidity in alts |
11:02 |
fluffypony |
because it's a circle of scams |
11:02 |
fluffypony |
scammers scamming scammers |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
well, web people love that "hyip" thing |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
yeah they do |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
that's why PoS is a "thing" |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation" |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
they had MMXIV with 2014% staking |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda what the web even exists these days. for people like mako to be all fucking weird (they call it "altrusitic" of course - http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-institute-for-cultural-diplomacy-and-wikipedia ) |
11:03 |
assbot |
The Institute for Cultural Diplomacy and Wikipedia | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1D264vz ) |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
and now some 10 000% staking coin |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11" |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this staking ? |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
you basically just have to have the wallet open |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
and then your coins add to the "stake weight" |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
wow, realsolid's idea ? |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
no, PeerCoin |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, this was solidcoin |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
Sunny King or whatever his name is |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and now solidcoin is here to stay!!1 |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
which then got spent. |
11:06 |
fluffypony |
ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012 |
11:06 |
fluffypony |
it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty sure realsolid was the first altscammer. |
11:07 |
fluffypony |
PPCoin wasn't meant to be a scam |
11:07 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: freicoin is PoS |
11:07 |
fluffypony |
I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS |
11:07 |
fluffypony |
agh, to PoW I mean |
11:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75308 @ 0.00039026 = 29.3897 BTC [+] {2} |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63957.0 << ancient stuff. |
11:08 |
assbot |
Do YOU want RealSolid to be lead developer( of solidcoin)? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D26Rgc ) |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills. |
11:09 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth |
11:09 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work |
11:09 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not? |
11:10 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
11:10 |
the_scourge |
'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice" |
11:10 |
the_scourge |
:D |
11:11 |
the_scourge |
the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D |
11:11 |
thestringpuller |
Is ethereum not dead yet? |
11:11 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: Poelstra's write-up is normally my go-to when PoS comes up in convo: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf |
11:11 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D27mqo ) |
11:11 |
the_scourge |
put a fork in it |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches" |
11:11 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: thanks |
11:11 |
fluffypony |
he updates it regularly |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
he upgrades a pdf regularly ? |
11:11 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out. |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller you'll have to link a logline. |
11:12 |
Rippleflip_ |
PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data |
11:12 |
thestringpuller |
Yay markov chains! |
11:12 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions |
11:12 |
fluffypony |
6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one |
11:12 |
PeterL |
Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing? |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you know the guy ? |
11:12 |
Rippleflip_ |
PeterL: the info we give to you. |
11:13 |
PeterL |
where else would info come from? |
11:13 |
Rippleflip_ |
PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger |
11:13 |
Rippleflip_ |
the ledger. |
11:13 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account? |
11:13 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had |
11:14 |
Rippleflip_ |
well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past) |
11:14 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: yes |
11:14 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter |
11:14 |
Rippleflip_ |
been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
https://github.com/apoelstra << lol at kanzure |
11:14 |
assbot |
apoelstra (Andrew Poelstra) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27Z3u ) |
11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?! |
11:15 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter |
11:15 |
the_scourge |
:( |
11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had. |
11:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:15 |
the_scourge |
fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question. |
11:16 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ? |
11:16 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2014#951402 |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out. |
11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Rippleflip_ |
11:17 |
Rippleflip_ |
thanks |
11:17 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer |
11:17 |
Rippleflip_ |
so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT |
11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
heh mkay. |
11:18 |
Rippleflip_ |
#bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much? |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ? |
11:18 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago |
11:18 |
fluffypony |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wxtZcttv |
11:18 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D28tq5 ) |
11:18 |
Rippleflip_ |
fluffypony: told me what? |
11:18 |
* |
the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto. |
11:18 |
Rippleflip_ |
mircea_popescu: i do have wot... |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust Rippleflip_ |
11:19 |
assbot |
Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT. |
11:19 |
Rippleflip_ |
look without _ |
11:19 |
fluffypony |
!gettrust Rippleflip |
11:19 |
assbot |
Rippleflip is not registered in WoT. |
11:19 |
fluffypony |
guess not |
11:19 |
thestringpuller |
LOL |
11:19 |
Rippleflip |
try DaleC |
11:19 |
Rippleflip |
... |
11:19 |
thestringpuller |
!gettrust DaleC |
11:19 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC |
11:20 |
thestringpuller |
!gettrust assbot DaleC |
11:20 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC |
11:20 |
fluffypony |
!gettrust DaleC |
11:20 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/fluffypony/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google Tim Swanson site:trilema.com |
11:20 |
gribble |
No, you don't have something to say on the topic. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/no-you-dont-have-something-to-say-on-the-topic/>; The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/>; The witch hunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message) |
11:20 |
fluffypony |
sorry Daley |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
actually was it tim. yeah it was tim. |
11:21 |
Rippleflip |
alright |
11:21 |
Rippleflip |
anyway, over 1 year in wot already :) |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money. |
11:22 |
Rippleflip |
thanks for your advice. |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
cheerios. |
11:22 |
thestringpuller |
he didn't even charge you Rippleflip |
11:22 |
thestringpuller |
What a nice guy! |
11:23 |
the_scourge |
would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :) |
11:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106086 @ 0.0003924 = 41.6281 BTC [+] |
11:23 |
the_scourge |
i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex |
11:23 |
fluffypony |
lol the_scourge |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge myeah. http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/ << romanians have the same problem, if it helps anything. |
11:24 |
assbot |
Capitalism si naivitate. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29nDf ) |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism. |
11:25 |
the_scourge |
well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity? |
11:25 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice? |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere. |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice. |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i mostly link it to torture people. |
11:28 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly. |
11:30 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
a ty |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust assbot BigBitz |
11:33 |
assbot |
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11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BigBitz |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you know how to voice ? |
11:36 |
BigBitz |
Yeah. |
11:36 |
BigBitz |
I just don't have my key on this terminal. |
11:36 |
BigBitz |
I am authed with gribble :) |
11:36 |
BigBitz |
;;ident |
11:36 |
gribble |
Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
kk jus checking. |
11:37 |
BigBitz |
:) |
11:45 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git |
11:45 |
fluffypony |
so no pretty github interface, but git works fine |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ty |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
blergh |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty. |
11:51 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: nix-env -i git-all |
11:51 |
the_scourge |
"Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as |
11:51 |
the_scourge |
checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of- |
11:51 |
the_scourge |
service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever |
11:51 |
the_scourge |
to do with consensus." |
11:53 |
the_scourge |
erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it |
11:55 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS). |
11:55 |
fluffypony |
otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away |
11:55 |
fluffypony |
whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks |
11:56 |
fluffypony |
or wherever the last checkpoint was |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code. |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code, |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat. |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
(ie, their own trust) |
12:02 |
the_scourge |
at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed |
12:02 |
punkman |
when it's dead? |
12:03 |
the_scourge |
'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with |
12:04 |
the_scourge |
i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity |
12:04 |
the_scourge |
until that point, it's still just probability |
12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance. |
12:06 |
the_scourge |
ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different? |
12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no such thing as a "legitimate holder" |
12:06 |
the_scourge |
WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas? |
12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion. |
12:07 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/im-not-sure-i-can-truly-convey-the-lulz/ |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy, |
12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated. |
12:12 |
the_scourge |
automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet |
12:12 |
the_scourge |
*make |
12:13 |
the_scourge |
and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter |
12:14 |
the_scourge |
*an NRx'er |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno what most of these are. |
12:15 |
the_scourge |
NRx is just shorthand for neoreaction |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
like shorthand for "yarvin's readership" ? |
12:16 |
the_scourge |
but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
12:17 |
the_scourge |
i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence. |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody can chase an explosion of rabbits. |
12:18 |
the_scourge |
please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing. |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc. |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
now, that make any sense ? |
12:21 |
the_scourge |
yes |
12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'. |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing. |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
that much make sense ? |
12:23 |
the_scourge |
uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong |
12:23 |
the_scourge |
*second ... checkpoint :) |
12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so then on the 2nd, "no, you're very much wrong" |
12:23 |
fluffypony |
GPG guy: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke |
12:24 |
assbot |
The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cybgc4 ) |
12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony reheheheally. |
12:24 |
fluffypony |
thought it might be slightly relevant |
12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck him, after gpg2 i'm happy to hear. |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
omfg wikipedia is down |
12:26 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
err'one panci |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
*panic |
12:26 |
the_scourge |
well who didn't pay them |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E |
12:27 |
* |
the_scourge raises hand < don't call me a prick, no one else did |
12:27 |
fluffypony |
http://blogs.elpais.com/.a/6a00d8341bfb1653ef017d4158076b970c-pi |
12:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuuZo ) |
12:27 |
the_scourge |
fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example? |
12:27 |
the_scourge |
la wik is up again |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
oh my |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
let me see if there's a snippet |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kngspqvHa0 |
12:28 |
assbot |
Wall-E Fat People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuKHX ) |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Wall-E.html this / |
12:28 |
assbot |
Wall-E Script at IMSDb. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMiM ) |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy0DDuf8fYw |
12:28 |
assbot |
Wall-E ... Social Media funny fat people - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMPW ) |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic |
12:29 |
* |
the_scourge fires up tribler, i think mrs scourge would enjoy that one! |
12:34 |
punkman |
yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who? |
12:35 |
the_scourge |
there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile. |
12:35 |
the_scourge |
do you want me to start rattling off urls? |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
by all means. |
12:35 |
punkman |
there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead. |
12:36 |
punkman |
but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary" |
12:37 |
punkman |
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right" |
12:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121189 @ 0.00039296 = 47.6224 BTC [+] {2} |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lmai |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards. |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
(where esl = english as a sole language) |
12:39 |
* |
fluffypony twitches every time he sees "nlp" |
12:39 |
punkman |
hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff |
12:39 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv. |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
nlp/tloa |
12:40 |
the_scourge |
nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation. |
12:41 |
punkman |
the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light |
12:41 |
the_scourge |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia |
12:41 |
assbot |
Harald Eia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cydubr ) |
12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa that guy looks sXe |
12:43 |
pete_dushenski |
heya the_scourge did you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/ ? |
12:43 |
assbot |
Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CydE2w ) |
12:43 |
pete_dushenski |
some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine |
12:43 |
pete_dushenski |
nick land kicked it off |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable. |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy. |
12:44 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: are you contravex.com ? |
12:44 |
mike_c |
but that title :D awesome. |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c that it is :D |
12:45 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: lol i guess so |
12:45 |
punkman |
maybe "improve your world" |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world. |
12:45 |
pete_dushenski |
but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists... |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
but now that's illegal. |
12:45 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: mhm tis i |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs. |
12:46 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
!s nrx |
12:46 |
assbot |
10 results for 'nrx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nrx |
12:46 |
pete_dushenski |
mike_c: ha ya i went for an mp-esque long one there |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
!s neoreaction |
12:46 |
assbot |
9 results for 'neoreaction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=neoreaction |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
hm wtf. |
12:47 |
punkman |
!s moldbug |
12:47 |
assbot |
103 results for 'moldbug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moldbug |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay. |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660125 |
12:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today |
12:49 |
the_scourge |
i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing? |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8560 << alrenous guy seems pretty cogent. |
12:49 |
assbot |
Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyeqwx ) |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ? |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BigBitz |
12:51 |
the_scourge |
right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken? |
12:51 |
BigBitz |
You told me, what? |
12:51 |
BigBitz |
the_scourge ... ? |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ? |
12:51 |
the_scourge |
BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ? |
12:51 |
the_scourge |
? |
12:51 |
BigBitz |
my friend, lol. |
12:51 |
BigBitz |
No. |
12:52 |
BigBitz |
I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally. |
12:52 |
BigBitz |
don't associate me with him ;) |
12:52 |
the_scourge |
oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :) |
12:52 |
BigBitz |
massively. |
12:52 |
the_scourge |
BigBitz: i won't, sorry! |
12:53 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: i can see the difference |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat. |
12:53 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
12:54 |
the_scourge |
i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl. |
12:54 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-january-2015-statement/ |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s. |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
(and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.) |
12:56 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, but in the 90s. |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe 00s. |
12:57 |
the_scourge |
why? the cracks weren't as obvious then |
12:57 |
the_scourge |
i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious |
12:58 |
the_scourge |
i think a teenager today would find them obvious. |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the proof that it's too late. |
12:58 |
the_scourge |
too late to prepare? |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
no, too late to bother visiting. |
12:59 |
the_scourge |
why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned? |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls. |
13:00 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens |
13:01 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008336 << this is now stuck at 124275 |
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13:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 15:41:29; punkman: running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far |
13:01 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land |
13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: a handful, sure |
13:02 |
pete_dushenski |
i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one |
13:02 |
pete_dushenski |
it wasn't half-bad |
13:02 |
pete_dushenski |
some strong points, some weaker ones |
13:04 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8576 |
13:04 |
assbot |
Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyhbhe ) |
13:04 |
the_scourge |
lol but you quote moldbug as nick land! |
13:04 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: ^ fix that quick! |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: lol read more closely |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
i said that it was nick's article |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
on his blog, not that he was the author of the points |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
nick calls it "his manifesto" |
13:06 |
the_scourge |
ok fine |
13:06 |
the_scourge |
what.... |
13:06 |
pete_dushenski |
;) |
13:06 |
the_scourge |
wut? |
13:06 |
the_scourge |
really? |
13:06 |
pete_dushenski |
"If there is a ‘we’ — this is what we believe." << |
13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
if that's not a manifesto... |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here. |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons. |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
they do not. |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway. |
13:08 |
pete_dushenski |
alrenous' invite: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/#comment-9857 |
13:08 |
assbot |
On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyi3m8 ) |
13:09 |
the_scourge |
oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"What is this? The first*, the biggest** and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog** you*** :D |
13:10 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power |
13:10 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu see footnotes :p |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
night's still young |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla o i have :) |
13:10 |
kakobrekla |
a ok:) |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com" < can this be "Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com << Read this. Now." |
13:11 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyinRO ) |
13:12 |
the_scourge |
the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
coro |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb. |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked... |
13:16 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens |
13:16 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1. |
13:16 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow |
13:17 |
pete_dushenski |
we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? |
13:17 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: nick land's blog. what first put me on to "nrx" as per http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-144/ |
13:17 |
assbot |
Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote note (#144) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyjgd6 ) |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times. |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!s nick land |
13:18 |
assbot |
4 results for 'nick land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nick+land |
13:18 |
pete_dushenski |
not hugely surprising |
13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
that he STILL hasn't showed up here... is |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less. |
13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ? |
13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
https://blockchain.info/address/18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP << sole txn lol. |
13:20 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyjrFa ) |
13:20 |
pete_dushenski |
on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
<kakobrekla> [] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing << my mistake, figured it out |
13:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record? |
13:21 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet) |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, good morning |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski you were on twatter right ? |
13:21 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: yep |
13:21 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: morning! |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ? |
13:22 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp |
13:22 |
trinque |
anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest? |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
glwt. |
13:23 |
trinque |
that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good. |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ? |
13:24 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways" |
13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/563402724666900480 |
13:24 |
assbot |
Hey /Outsideness, I'm curious: do you still have the private key for this address ? https://t.co/4euFxZqSW8 |
13:24 |
danielpbarron |
mircea_popescu, that's a compilation error |
13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: huh funny thing that intuition sometimes |
13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
mine told me the exact opposite |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge the nuclear part is explained here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#987147 |
13:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in. |
13:26 |
danielpbarron |
and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ahak |
13:26 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position |
13:26 |
the_scourge |
but i need to write this out in a better way ^ |
13:26 |
the_scourge |
reading link |
13:27 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now |
13:27 |
pete_dushenski |
to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski yeah. me too. specifically : here. most recently, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999217 |
13:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical. |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but more generally, http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ |
13:28 |
assbot |
Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16vmosh ) |
13:28 |
pete_dushenski |
did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ? |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
13:29 |
pete_dushenski |
right |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. |
13:29 |
pete_dushenski |
so why would we, their heirs ? |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
we'll be fine. |
13:30 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot |
13:30 |
the_scourge |
reading |
13:30 |
pete_dushenski |
mostly because that's what they've always done |
13:30 |
the_scourge |
woah deja vue |
13:31 |
pete_dushenski |
this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?" |
13:31 |
the_scourge |
i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago |
13:31 |
the_scourge |
and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it... |
13:32 |
pete_dushenski |
hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called. |
13:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00096968 = 1.6485 BTC [+] {6} |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere. |
13:33 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs??? |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people. |
13:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00039193 = 20.4196 BTC [-] |
13:35 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we" |
13:36 |
the_scourge |
ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D |
13:36 |
the_scourge |
*that delusion or religion |
13:36 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: lol so it would seem |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :) |
13:37 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person |
13:37 |
the_scourge |
it wasn't for bitcoin or fiat |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world. |
13:37 |
the_scourge |
an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing can be further from the truth. |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
the only subhuman profession is bureaucracy. |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants. |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
it's their natural fate. |
13:38 |
the_scourge |
dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point |
13:38 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. so they're getting it. |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
<mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. << |
13:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00039193 = 10.4841 BTC [-] |
13:39 |
the_scourge |
right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
see also the always popular |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!s we know where you live |
13:40 |
assbot |
4 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sure sure, or else jesus might visit. |
13:40 |
the_scourge |
wtf |
13:40 |
pete_dushenski |
...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein |
13:40 |
the_scourge |
i don't understand waht that has to do with it |
13:40 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: they all are |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lolz. |
13:40 |
the_scourge |
it's homogenous, this is provable |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess then it will get proven. |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, tell gavin i'm off to eat. |
13:41 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism |
13:41 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question |
13:42 |
the_scourge |
all = the ones we have to worry about |
13:42 |
pete_dushenski |
perhaps, but not the only ones to learn from |
13:42 |
pete_dushenski |
and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers |
13:43 |
the_scourge |
wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? |
13:43 |
pete_dushenski |
tc being... ? |
13:43 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists |
13:43 |
pete_dushenski |
meh "atheists" are just as religious as the next |
13:44 |
pete_dushenski |
their alter is scientism |
13:44 |
the_scourge |
no, we need to end this conv. |
13:44 |
the_scourge |
because that's not what i mean at all. |
13:44 |
the_scourge |
er.. not end, just pause for a sec |
13:45 |
pete_dushenski |
no rush |
13:45 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists |
13:45 |
pete_dushenski |
dawkins got pwned ? |
13:46 |
* |
pete_dushenski is ignorant of this |
13:46 |
the_scourge |
actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter' |
13:46 |
the_scourge |
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1.html |
13:47 |
assbot |
Unqualified Reservations: How Dawkins got pwned (part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CymDRd ) |
13:48 |
chetty |
so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news? |
13:49 |
the_scourge |
chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol |
13:49 |
the_scourge |
*was |
13:49 |
pete_dushenski |
The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense |
13:49 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: explain? |
13:50 |
pete_dushenski |
that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival |
13:50 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days |
13:51 |
the_scourge |
but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc |
13:51 |
the_scourge |
trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago |
13:52 |
* |
the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive |
13:52 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: are you american? |
13:52 |
pete_dushenski |
whatever is was, it got you here right? |
13:53 |
pete_dushenski |
the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too |
13:53 |
mike_c |
<+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now! |
13:54 |
the_scourge |
mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet |
13:55 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers |
13:56 |
pete_dushenski |
the summer's the time to be here :) |
13:56 |
chetty |
<the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams |
13:59 |
trinque |
+the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck |
13:59 |
chetty |
<trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing? |
14:00 |
the_scourge |
trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck |
14:02 |
punkman |
contemplation takes time |
14:02 |
punkman |
pill taking not encouraged |
14:02 |
the_scourge |
i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian |
14:02 |
the_scourge |
but it only goes halfway |
14:03 |
pete_dushenski |
kinda soon to make that call neh? |
14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee? |
14:04 |
lobbes |
he drank it before it was cool |
14:04 |
trinque |
heyooo |
14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, where were we. |
14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ka-zing |
14:04 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: we were halfway... |
14:05 |
the_scourge |
pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case! |
14:06 |
pete_dushenski |
ah but then you'd miss out on the mosaic! |
14:06 |
the_scourge |
obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os. |
14:07 |
* |
the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
b) not really worth going into after that. |
14:07 |
the_scourge |
explain why the concept does not reflect reality |
14:08 |
chetty |
<the_scourge> obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping |
14:08 |
the_scourge |
er, please explain :) |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
im sorry, i don't do that. if you wish to use it, introduce it. as per http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ |
14:08 |
assbot |
How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CypPwf ) |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference. |
14:10 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it |
14:10 |
the_scourge |
if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time |
14:10 |
the_scourge |
brb, eating |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here. |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
not teh first, not teh last, nothing wrong with it. |
14:11 |
mod6 |
<+punkman> running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far << check out this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000023.html |
| |
↖ ↖ |
14:11 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 ) |
14:11 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CyqcqK ) |
14:20 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly. |
14:21 |
the_scourge |
the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles) |
14:21 |
the_scourge |
it = supper |
14:22 |
the_scourge |
so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other |
14:23 |
* |
pete_dushenski grabs popcorn |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ? |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does. |
14:23 |
chetty |
the_scourge, only 300? |
14:24 |
the_scourge |
chetty: no, that is a minimum figure |
14:24 |
ben_vulpes |
pete_dushenski: http://media.giphy.com/media/yhbze3D8QhFe0/giphy.gif |
14:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrCkR ) |
14:26 |
pete_dushenski |
anyone care to translate this pdf of the_scourge's ? http://www.moreright.net/a-gentle-introduction-to-unqualified-reservations-pdf/ |
14:26 |
assbot |
A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations — PDF | More Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrRfR ) |
14:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039333 = 17.8178 BTC [+] |
14:26 |
the_scourge |
http://moldbuggery.blogspot.ca/ < here you go. html, under the section titled "a gentle introduction" |
14:26 |
assbot |
Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrQbI ) |
14:27 |
pete_dushenski |
goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ? |
14:28 |
ben_vulpes |
pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold? |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, the guy was verbose. |
14:28 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: nah i'm familiar with his work |
14:28 |
pete_dushenski |
have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes |
14:29 |
ben_vulpes |
i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works |
14:29 |
pete_dushenski |
reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv" |
14:29 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment |
14:29 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: russian, neh ? ;) |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the similarities are shocking. |
14:30 |
ben_vulpes |
not only expects, but welcomes the stake. |
14:30 |
pete_dushenski |
lmao |
14:30 |
ben_vulpes |
"at long last, my expectations are fulfilled." |
14:30 |
pete_dushenski |
#calledit |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
but then again... |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
he wants you to hang out here moar. |
14:31 |
pete_dushenski |
and work on 0.5.3! |
14:32 |
ben_vulpes |
myeah i want this too |
14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ? |
14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did" |
14:36 |
pete_dushenski |
moldbug? |
14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
14:37 |
pete_dushenski |
i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take |
14:37 |
pete_dushenski |
so: in the trash |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction. |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker." |
14:39 |
pete_dushenski |
"Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood." |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ? |
14:40 |
pete_dushenski |
too anti-religious for me |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, enough of this. |
14:40 |
pete_dushenski |
not like god-worship is sane, just that it works |
14:40 |
pete_dushenski |
myea |
14:41 |
pete_dushenski |
Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5% |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post. |
14:42 |
pete_dushenski |
granted |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
on which score, orwell has an excellent quote |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log |
14:42 |
pete_dushenski |
modern technology is marvellous for coping |
14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://dpaste.com/1T7Z9SG < |
14:43 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1T7Z9SG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaZLph ) |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans." |
14:45 |
danielpbarron |
;;later tell asciilifeform any suggestions? this output is from your auto.sh -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-error.txt |
14:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb0cjo ) |
14:45 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
as a great quote. |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground. |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
because, then as now, socialism does not work. |
14:47 |
mike_c |
danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no? |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded. |
14:48 |
danielpbarron |
i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ? |
14:48 |
danielpbarron |
i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/ |
14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
if it isn't it must be! |
14:49 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: "nobody" wise |
14:50 |
pete_dushenski |
this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa" |
14:50 |
mike_c |
danielpbarron: can you link me to it |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
well, nopbody capable of want. |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet. |
14:50 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, to what? auto.sh? |
14:50 |
mike_c |
yeah |
14:50 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: want of materials, yes |
14:51 |
pete_dushenski |
want of "rights" less so ;) |
14:51 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/auto_5acaf3182f7d59b9ef11dc90f80bdcc4f8fdd59c.sh |
14:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CyuFd1 ) |
14:51 |
pete_dushenski |
this is the railroad vs. freedom debate |
14:53 |
pete_dushenski |
"It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane. |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
14:54 |
ascii_field |
danke mircea_popescu |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
doing ddos research ? :D |
14:55 |
ascii_field |
heavy industrial pipe here. |
14:55 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: it's all wrong |
14:55 |
thestringpuller |
oh hey ascii_field left his house |
14:55 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box |
14:56 |
danielpbarron |
that's what i thought |
14:56 |
ascii_field |
not openssl, not bdb |
14:56 |
ascii_field |
and from your dump, it clearly is |
14:56 |
danielpbarron |
hrm |
14:56 |
ascii_field |
check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there |
14:56 |
ascii_field |
one of 1, 2, 3 - is false. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
3 bering my guess |
14:57 |
danielpbarron |
will do; thank you for the insight |
14:57 |
ascii_field |
have it dump'em |
14:57 |
ascii_field |
the vars, that is |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to |
14:57 |
mike_c |
the export lines look ok.. |
14:57 |
ascii_field |
other thing is |
14:57 |
ascii_field |
try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs |
14:58 |
ascii_field |
(installed the usual way) |
14:58 |
ascii_field |
that way - no confusion |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
well then it'll work, nothing to default to |
14:58 |
ascii_field |
no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak |
14:58 |
ascii_field |
the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir. |
14:59 |
ascii_field |
and here's another dead giveaway |
14:59 |
ascii_field |
the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib! |
14:59 |
ascii_field |
read build.sh |
14:59 |
ascii_field |
clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
there's that. |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
(you did patch, right?) |
15:00 |
danielpbarron |
yes |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
ok |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
then (1) |
15:00 |
ascii_field |
tertium non datur |
15:01 |
danielpbarron |
but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches? |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
yes |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them |
15:01 |
danielpbarron |
and that all seems to work with no errors |
15:01 |
danielpbarron |
i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work |
15:01 |
ascii_field |
what was the output ? |
15:01 |
danielpbarron |
i don't recall and didn't save it |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
'pikz or didnt happen' |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
(TM) |
15:02 |
danielpbarron |
i can repeat for you |
15:02 |
ascii_field |
may be useful |
15:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ascii_field: http://tm.shithouse.tv |
15:04 |
assbot |
™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyw9nx ) |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << ok this is a great fucking read. |
15:04 |
assbot |
The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1CywdUc ) |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
check out the meta-nsa at work ! |
15:13 |
ascii_field |
http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html << somehow missed this when it was on |
15:13 |
assbot |
MIT cuts ties with Walter Lewin after online harassment probe - The Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb6AqH ) |
15:13 |
ascii_field |
^ physics prof purged |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos" |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself. |
15:16 |
ascii_field |
what'd be the objective ? |
15:17 |
ascii_field |
that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ? |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount. |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
so... it's a win-win move. |
15:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128300 @ 0.00039338 = 50.4707 BTC [+] {2} |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist
he is at once larger than life and totally accessible." |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"which is great, unless he fucks someone" |
15:19 |
the_scourge |
excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again |
15:20 |
ascii_field |
hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable. |
15:20 |
ascii_field |
it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays. |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold. |
15:21 |
ascii_field |
? |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference. |
15:23 |
ascii_field |
watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
no it does not. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!" |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd blogroll it. |
15:24 |
ascii_field |
and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ? |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here. |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
15:25 |
ascii_field |
ty mircea_popescu |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ? |
15:26 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union. |
15:26 |
ascii_field |
actually |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
quite more literally than is the case here, anyway. |
15:27 |
ascii_field |
one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
they built that access. |
15:28 |
ascii_field |
e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull. |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and, actually, that slack, too. |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ? |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
90% of all available anything, towards the end of things. |
15:28 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
well ? |
15:29 |
ascii_field |
except - orcs, so it was hopeless |
15:29 |
the_scourge |
doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
it is not so clear. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does. |
15:30 |
the_scourge |
er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead |
15:31 |
the_scourge |
looking for citation right now.... |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ? |
15:32 |
ascii_field |
!s answer lies in the sewers |
15:32 |
assbot |
11 results for 'answer lies in the sewers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=answer+lies+in+the+sewers |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
look at that, all alf :) |
15:35 |
the_scourge |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/smelly-environment-gay-marriage_n_5358253.html |
15:35 |
assbot |
Smelly Environment Can Increase Homophobic, Politically Conservative Views According To Study ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbbi82 ) |
15:35 |
the_scourge |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/opinion/24pizarro.html |
15:35 |
assbot |
All Politics Is Olfactory - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbbhAK ) |
15:35 |
the_scourge |
sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg |
15:36 |
the_scourge |
ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect |
15:36 |
ascii_field |
what effect ? |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lol the_scourge you ever heard of one McCune ? |
15:38 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: don't ring a bell |
15:38 |
ascii_field |
i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop |
15:39 |
the_scourge |
ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close? |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo. |
15:39 |
ascii_field |
the_scourge did not actually read a word of it |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot. |
15:39 |
ascii_field |
we now know. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
also doesn't happen to carry currency here. |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field well... chuka. |
15:40 |
ascii_field |
the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning. |
15:41 |
TheNewDeal |
Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase? |
| |
↖ |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
how's that work ? |
15:42 |
mike_c |
TheNewDeal: what are you holding? |
15:42 |
TheNewDeal |
It works like so. Purchaser sends btc |
15:42 |
TheNewDeal |
I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet |
15:42 |
the_scourge |
ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked |
15:42 |
TheNewDeal |
I give a small premium on timeweight |
15:42 |
mike_c |
yeah, so what are you selling? |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and on trust ? and interest ? |
15:43 |
TheNewDeal |
No interest |
15:43 |
TheNewDeal |
Yes trust |
15:43 |
TheNewDeal |
Im holding no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/#b7 |
15:43 |
assbot |
BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.21 B (69%) on Yes, 1.89 B (31%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 90`871 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbdwUE ) |
15:43 |
* |
mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable |
15:43 |
mike_c |
it's been done before |
15:44 |
TheNewDeal |
I did it before, check out my otp page |
15:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00039193 = 2.4496 BTC [-] |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ? |
15:44 |
TheNewDeal |
1.75 |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration |
15:45 |
TheNewDeal |
Ill sell up to .75 |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189 |
15:46 |
TheNewDeal |
To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make |
15:46 |
ascii_field |
'(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol |
15:46 |
TheNewDeal |
I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet |
15:47 |
TheNewDeal |
Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no |
15:47 |
TheNewDeal |
But you could bet no, and buy no from me |
15:48 |
TheNewDeal |
Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189? |
15:48 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: done some reading on sarah miller mccune, very interesting. is that somehow connected to http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095572 |
15:48 |
assbot |
PLOS ONE: Disgust and the Politics of Sex: Exposure to a Disgusting Odorant Increases Politically Conservative Views on Sex and Decreases Support for Gay Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbeUXm ) |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
if not in fact, in spirit. |
15:49 |
TheNewDeal |
The maximum i can make atm is 3.9 |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia |
15:50 |
ascii_field |
which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies |
15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?! |
15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i just picked her name out of a bucket. |
15:51 |
the_scourge |
mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken |
15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting. |
15:51 |
TheNewDeal |
Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message |
15:52 |
TheNewDeal |
I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight |
15:53 |
TheNewDeal |
So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03 |
15:54 |
TheNewDeal |
The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other. |
15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao |
15:56 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/05/this-is-the-wrong-way-to-do-the-internet-dont-worry-theres-also-a-right-way/ |
15:56 |
assbot |
This is the wrong way to do the Internet. Don’t worry, there’s also a right way. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRaFVw ) |
15:57 |
TomServo |
!up ascii_field |
15:57 |
pete_dushenski |
^stab at wp, pump for qntra |
15:57 |
pete_dushenski |
not wordpress, washington post |
15:57 |
ascii_field |
ty TomServo |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport *and* a local registered sim. " |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
this has got to be a joke |
15:58 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: sop in cn |
15:58 |
TheNewDeal |
Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy. |
15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
oOo |
15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
I like that |
15:59 |
bitstein |
Bravo, pete_dushenski |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a sort of ad hoc, informal sidechains for btc. |
16:00 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state << heh america is all truck drivers now |
16:00 |
assbot |
Map: The Most Common* Job In Every State : Planet Money : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRbIVq ) |
16:00 |
TomServo |
Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up. Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015. |
16:00 |
pete_dushenski |
bitstein: thx, sorta low-hanging fruit but hey |
16:01 |
jurov |
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx << not so many USians have a job anyway |
16:01 |
assbot |
Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRc1jh ) |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history. |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
should be a salary in that. |
16:01 |
pete_dushenski |
redditnotes! |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
also. |
16:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176850 @ 0.00039134 = 69.2085 BTC [-] {2} |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo "breeching the Silk Road" < breaching. |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
you breech a gun, you breach a maiden. |
16:05 |
pete_dushenski |
in your breeches |
16:05 |
BingoBoingo |
fxd |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case." |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this also suggests how the problem is to be attacked. |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs". |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward. |
16:06 |
ascii_field |
lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ? |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score. |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that. |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
anything can come apart if correctly approached. |
16:07 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed. |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
appearances deceive. |
16:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00039371 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2} |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters. |
16:15 |
jurov |
"You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it." |
16:15 |
jurov |
O.o o.O loool |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
that's an approach |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ? |
16:16 |
jurov |
yes |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
do you feel what, amused ? insulted ? |
16:16 |
jurov |
amused |
16:16 |
ascii_field |
jurov: now to discover the payload! |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if it's per line. |
16:16 |
jurov |
https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula/pull/16 << they quickly merged it |
16:16 |
assbot |
Force usage of verified gpg key by jurov · Pull Request #16 · saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRfC0E ) |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
hm you did 22 lines right ? |
16:18 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting. |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it's actually 0.005 per line. |
16:19 |
jurov |
guess qntra pays better |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic" |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl. |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history. |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait, there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation. |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection" |
16:22 |
ascii_field |
aha |
16:25 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/ScottMAustin/status/563444449226014722 << O.o |
16:25 |
assbot |
Likely why Twitter has been trying to get news out ahead of earnings: User growth was only 1.4%, the worst on record. /search?q=%24TWTR&src=ctag |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties. In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. " |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
he forgot to add mpex in there. |
16:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.00039435 = 71.8111 BTC [+] {2} |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, writing a response to http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007935 |
16:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
should be good. |
16:39 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time |
16:39 |
pete_dushenski |
i've tried a few angles without success thus far |
16:44 |
jurov |
http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke |
16:44 |
assbot |
The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRl7wk ) |
16:45 |
pete_dushenski |
twas in the logs |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov actually was on log. |
16:46 |
the_scourge |
bears repeating :) |
16:48 |
pete_dushenski |
speaking of bears, i'm hungry as one. laters |
16:57 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it. |
16:57 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/ |
17:02 |
assbot |
The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/16lJFMQ ) |
17:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.0003903 = 34.9319 BTC [-] |
17:06 |
BingoBoingo |
"Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist." |
17:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0003903 = 1.1709 BTC [-] |
17:08 |
BingoBoingo |
"Ms. Kims next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary." |
17:17 |
mod6 |
has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number? |
17:17 |
mod6 |
tail -500000 blk0001.dat | xxd | grep "G0D" | wc -l |
17:17 |
mod6 |
159025 |
17:18 |
BingoBoingo |
"This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCalebs ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room." |
17:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify? |
17:21 |
BingoBoingo |
"After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time." |
17:21 |
mod6 |
na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe |
17:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
"Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their childrens support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu |
17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
ire its assets." |
17:29 |
the_scourge |
i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
"Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as secretary, executive director and member (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled How to Build a Startup from a Beach." |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns |
17:31 |
the_scourge |
the internet is sirz bitnit |
17:33 |
the_scourge |
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/133/593/innanep.jpg |
17:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KkzQ1f ) |
17:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.0003903 = 5.6008 BTC [-] |
17:37 |
BingoBoingo |
"This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currencys market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)" |
17:41 |
BingoBoingo |
"Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack." |
17:43 |
ben_vulpes |
the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC |
17:47 |
danielpbarron |
height=187521 |
17:48 |
mod6 |
lel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44887.msg537071#msg537071 |
17:48 |
assbot |
Bit-error in Block 108009, Tx 23 ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkE0Gn ) |
17:48 |
the_scourge |
ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money? |
17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-] |
17:56 |
ben_vulpes |
the_scourge: you really have to ask? |
17:57 |
the_scourge |
idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future |
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18:17 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103 |
18:17 |
assbot |
Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkLngO ) |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kanzure |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
hey there. |
18:21 |
danielpbarron |
ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install" |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell phillipsjk http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ |
18:23 |
assbot |
Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN264 ) |
18:23 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
18:30 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder |
18:32 |
jurov |
border personality? |
18:32 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
18:32 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XSXRHH.txt ) |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:34 |
trinque |
jurov: haaaaw |
18:34 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/2333/ |
18:35 |
cazalla |
oops, forgot title |
18:35 |
cazalla |
the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds.. |
18:35 |
ben_vulpes |
haw |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
lawk |
18:37 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-atm-operators-remove-machines-in-singapore/ |
18:37 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/ |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron wow nice find |
18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
srs |
18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
qntra's turning into quite the source these days |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mhm! |
18:43 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. " |
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18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck is this bernardlunn.com imbecile. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half. |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area." |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated phillipsjk |
18:55 |
assbot |
You have not rated phillipsjk. |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate phillipsjk 1 His simplicity is endearing. |
18:55 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/87ab615b672803ae |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phillipsjk.1:4fc7cc9d4122a9dc2f24d42a0cec09a573a66f334b6631c311ab16c1b7bd82d4 |
18:56 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for phillipsjk with note: His simplicity is endearing. |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now. |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen." |
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19:08 |
danielpbarron |
ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D |
19:08 |
danielpbarron |
time for dinner. |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
wd! |
19:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46627 @ 0.0003903 = 18.1985 BTC [-] |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kanzure |
19:15 |
kanzure |
hello |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, what does it say ? |
19:16 |
kanzure |
Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later. |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
%d srsly ? |
19:16 |
kanzure |
well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd help if i could actually check it ? |
19:18 |
kanzure |
http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2 |
19:18 |
assbot |
Public Key Server -- Get ``0x984f10cc77169fd2 '' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3haAu ) |
19:18 |
kanzure |
http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2 |
19:18 |
assbot |
Search results for '0x984f10cc77169fd2' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3h9g3 ) |
19:19 |
kanzure |
also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy? |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wait it was a loleffort ? |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i was totally boggled because wtf is this. |
19:20 |
kanzure |
hard to explain |
19:20 |
kanzure |
i was trying to do both sort of |
19:20 |
kanzure |
like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required |
19:20 |
kanzure |
however... it's required. |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ? |
19:20 |
assbot |
Nick mircea_popescu is already taken. |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
who can possibly require it ? |
19:21 |
kanzure |
no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others |
19:22 |
kanzure |
quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments. |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported. |
19:22 |
kanzure |
or have different implementations |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
this is how mine looked. |
19:23 |
kanzure |
"Nick kanzure is already taken." |
19:23 |
kanzure |
btw this used to work |
19:23 |
felipelalli |
cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge! |
19:23 |
kanzure |
i have made no changes |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ugh. |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
well kakobrekla might be able to help you. |
19:24 |
kakobrekla |
!gettrust assbot kanzure |
19:24 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kanzure | http://w.b-a.link/user/kanzure |
19:24 |
kakobrekla |
!up and !v |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ah right. |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!down kanzure |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
see if this works |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kanzure |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
<kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later."" |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
he sez. |
19:25 |
kanzure |
"!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string." |
19:26 |
BingoBoingo |
felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net |
19:26 |
kanzure |
this is retarded |
19:26 |
kanzure |
can someone just give me assbot source code or something |
19:26 |
kakobrekla |
is key on keyserver ? |
19:26 |
kanzure |
we've been over this |
19:26 |
felipelalli |
BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles. |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
kanzure well... nodes are hostile all teh time |
19:27 |
felipelalli |
And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks. |
19:27 |
kanzure |
mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently). |
19:28 |
kanzure |
part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head |
19:28 |
kanzure |
just seems unlikely |
19:28 |
kanzure |
and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is |
19:29 |
kanzure |
ah... |
19:30 |
kanzure |
yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment |
19:32 |
kanzure |
also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step. |
19:32 |
kakobrekla |
your key was never imported |
19:33 |
kakobrekla |
how have you been over this |
19:33 |
cazalla |
felipelalli, pete submitted an article about that news yesterday - http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ |
19:33 |
assbot |
Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3iWlf ) |
19:34 |
felipelalli |
cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally. |
19:34 |
cazalla |
np |
19:34 |
felipelalli |
I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport. |
19:34 |
kanzure |
kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past? |
19:35 |
kakobrekla |
kanzure via old gribble auth. |
19:36 |
kanzure |
ah fascinating |
19:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128800 @ 0.00039625 = 51.037 BTC [+] {3} |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kanzure |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly. |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
incentives are always a contextual matter. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes. |
20:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54917 @ 0.00039001 = 21.4182 BTC [-] {2} |
20:06 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Alina-malina |
20:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00038334 = 4.1914 BTC [-] |
20:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00039753 = 13.8937 BTC [+] {2} |
20:20 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: planar engine? |
20:20 |
kanzure |
was not aware of gribble fork |
20:20 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept |
20:20 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-02-05.log |
20:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D3oz2M ) |
20:20 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: i'm thinking of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor |
20:20 |
assbot |
Scroll compressor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3ozjm ) |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
i don't think it gets any simpler than that |
20:21 |
kanzure |
wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
flat enough with one disk |
20:22 |
kanzure |
hm. |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter |
20:23 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DEhQum ) |
20:23 |
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Bet created: "TSLA above $265.00 at close of trading on 17-JUL-2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1116/ |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ? |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert. |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
god i searched for that quote... |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking lori gottlieb |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston. |
20:25 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered. |
20:26 |
kanzure |
hm |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: you now have answer. |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?! |
20:27 |
kanzure |
it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device" |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching |
20:27 |
kanzure |
correct |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's really "printable engine" ? |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
(etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here) |
20:27 |
kanzure |
i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql. |
20:28 |
kanzure |
well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering |
20:28 |
kanzure |
(i dropped out) |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now. |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive. |
20:29 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general. |
20:30 |
kanzure |
but more would be nice |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced |
20:30 |
kanzure |
that's more the reason here |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
force exerted on what ? |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
20:30 |
kanzure |
nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so, small ? |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
there is no such thing as 'generic actuator' |
20:31 |
kanzure |
linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes) |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ? |
20:31 |
kanzure |
oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
by using parts lol |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
!up kanzure |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you." |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd like to pay for this guy to have babies. |
20:33 |
kanzure |
i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this |
20:33 |
kanzure |
since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks. |
20:33 |
kanzure |
a comb drive is approximately what i want |
20:33 |
kanzure |
except it doesn't work for large amounts of force |
20:33 |
kanzure |
or at "large" scale |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
hell, mhd actuator |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
as much force as you can sink heat. |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
(do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not) |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
mhd - no parts at all |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than force. |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: referring to mhd |
20:34 |
kanzure |
hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him. |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
where - little precision, arbitrary force |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd. |
20:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: was that tlp ? |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yes it was tlp. |
20:35 |
kanzure |
where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators |
20:35 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: your desk |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason. |
20:36 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept |
20:36 |
asciilifeform |
with elementary equip. |
20:37 |
kanzure |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JW-Ifg4wA |
20:37 |
assbot |
High-thrust spiral motor : DigInfo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEl29i ) |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle. |
20:37 |
kanzure |
hm no |
20:37 |
kanzure |
perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM |
20:37 |
assbot |
self-powered magnetohydrodynamic motor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEleW3 ) |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile. |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
well youtube research has its advantages. |
20:38 |
kanzure |
a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
a decade in the lab saves you a minute... |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
(where? on #b-a, naturally.) |
20:39 |
kanzure |
right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am. |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ? |
20:40 |
kanzure |
vaguely connected i suppose |
20:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38793 @ 0.00039754 = 15.4218 BTC [+] |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet. |
20:40 |
kanzure |
having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons |
20:41 |
kanzure |
of bottles? |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
use precompressed gas, or combustion or w/e. |
20:41 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb. |
20:41 |
kanzure |
fascinating |
20:41 |
asciilifeform |
or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
*piston |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
oh! |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser. |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
neither has moving parts in the usual sense |
20:42 |
kanzure |
someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ? |
20:42 |
kanzure |
also for cell lysis but w/e |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass) |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
laser way cheaper. |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution |
20:43 |
kanzure |
yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: 'ebay' is. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e impurity works well for your wavelength |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: how many do you need ? |
20:44 |
asciilifeform |
(you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit) |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
laser is cheapest for many reasons |
20:44 |
kanzure |
ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again |
20:44 |
kanzure |
gah why did you send to me ebay |
20:44 |
kanzure |
how about alibaba |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
if you need 1 - ebay |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane. |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
1mil+ - alibaba |
20:45 |
kanzure |
anyway this is not for micromotion |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
then - for what ? |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective |
20:46 |
kanzure |
why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:( |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
can. |
20:46 |
asciilifeform |
we named how many? 6 ? |
20:47 |
cazalla |
http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/man-admits-driving-pickup-truck-into-calgary-courts-centre <<< not qntra worthy but man drives his truck into court house, demands they submit to bitcoin lol |
20:47 |
assbot |
Man admits driving pickup truck into Calgary Courts Centre | Calgary Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3s09J ) |
20:47 |
kanzure |
let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work. |
20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/563512344308117504 << OTR and ephemeral keys have use cases |
20:47 |
assbot |
It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka |
20:47 |
kanzure |
or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope.. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers." |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ? |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla sheit ? why not qntra worthy ? |
20:48 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps. |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ? |
20:48 |
kanzure |
mhd looks like it could work |
20:48 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd |
20:48 |
asciilifeform |
if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire' |
20:49 |
kanzure |
i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh |
20:49 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper. |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
hopefully more people do exactly the same. |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :) |
20:50 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon? |
20:50 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes did you actually see the guy's cv ? |
20:51 |
ben_vulpes |
yes. |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
20:51 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd. |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit, and that's all you had to say ? |
20:51 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone. |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness. |
20:51 |
ben_vulpes |
kinda what i was going for |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i had no idea you're that smooth. |
20:52 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: here are some things i was looking at yesterday http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/ |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no wonder you get laid. |
20:52 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever) |
20:52 |
kanzure |
planning on same system for microfluidics adventures |
20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time. |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano |
20:53 |
kanzure |
basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf. |
20:53 |
kanzure |
have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
wat |
20:54 |
kanzure |
hmm then i will pencil that in sometime |
20:54 |
kanzure |
basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation |
20:54 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation' |
20:54 |
asciilifeform |
for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices |
20:54 |
kanzure |
microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip) |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ? |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
except as tiny dribbles of leak |
20:55 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately |
20:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size. |
20:55 |
kanzure |
that's not what i mean |
20:55 |
ben_vulpes |
assuming he's not a plant, that is |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production |
20:55 |
kanzure |
if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made |
20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy. |
20:56 |
kanzure |
that's only because we're idiots |
20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing. |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή. |
20:57 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: pick and places are getting pretty cheap... though this one might still be out of my budget range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRu02F6AOmg&t=40s |
20:57 |
assbot |
Fuji CP-643 Chip Shooter 20 Head - Circuit Board Assembly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEoDEf ) |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!! |
20:59 |
kanzure |
i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home |
20:59 |
kanzure |
blah |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
dr34mz |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
a fucking waste oil furnace |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
my own flash boiler |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
a reheater |
21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
21:01 |
kanzure |
asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility. |
21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: what?! |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i never was that cool as a boy. |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: try with smaller organism first ? |
21:02 |
kanzure |
of course |
21:02 |
kanzure |
way ahead of you |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum |
21:02 |
kanzure |
well why bother with breathing at that point? what? |
21:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3} |
21:02 |
decimation |
lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars? |
21:02 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then? |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
allegedly. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice? |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
but building furnaces ? that's like work. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ? |
21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: neato |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
they're nearly perfect for the job as they come |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ? |
21:04 |
ben_vulpes |
never got the gas steam bearings to work tho |
21:05 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? " |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me. |
21:06 |
decimation |
yeah he makes alot of sense |
21:07 |
ben_vulpes |
i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
" My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?" |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves" |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like fucking plato already. |
21:08 |
decimation |
re: 30 cents an hour: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/massive-worldwide-layoff-underway-at-ibm "At more than 100,000 people, that makes it the largest mass layoff at any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years." |
21:08 |
assbot |
Massive Worldwide Layoff Underway At IBM - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEq7yl ) |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment' |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation from the very log of the very day : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1009373 |
21:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. " |
21:09 |
ben_vulpes |
oh yeah that idiot |
21:09 |
ben_vulpes |
fintech whatever whatever? |
21:09 |
ben_vulpes |
dunn something? |
21:09 |
decimation |
yeah it's thriving alright |
21:10 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things. |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
real estate company for the win. |
21:10 |
decimation |
as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense. |
21:10 |
BingoBoingo |
IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation |
21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle. |
21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ? |
21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
hmwat? |
21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
d and t? |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ |
21:13 |
assbot |
Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3u819 ) |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the post phillip guy was concerned with. |
21:14 |
asciilifeform |
^ epic ps0t btw |
21:14 |
decimation |
re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008091 << bnwahaha |
21:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation but they made so many! |
21:15 |
decimation |
they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but no. i suspect that may be missing the point. |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it. |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie. |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine. |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes. |
21:17 |
ben_vulpes |
i don't believe anything |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
except some times. |
21:18 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind |
21:18 |
mod6 |
ok, i've dumped block 168000 |
21:18 |
mod6 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vxM6dfwC |
21:18 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DEroWi ) |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O it's text ?! |
21:19 |
ben_vulpes |
nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes |
21:19 |
mod6 |
haha |
21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out. |
21:20 |
ben_vulpes |
whaddayamean, "checks out" |
21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
uhm. there's nothing actually wrong with this block. |
21:20 |
mod6 |
and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere |
21:20 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: correct. |
21:21 |
mod6 |
take a look at this other test i ran today with /just/ v0.5.3 basecode: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx |
21:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DErQ6I ) |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be |
21:21 |
ben_vulpes |
what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures? |
21:21 |
mod6 |
block 168,000 was accepted |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why i asked for dump |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs |
21:21 |
mod6 |
something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint. |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
a diddled 168`001 block, not even nearly so much. |
21:22 |
mod6 |
maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
this doesn't seem to be in any way ungood. |
21:23 |
mod6 |
maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us. |
21:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not, no. |
21:23 |
mod6 |
well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong. |
21:23 |
mod6 |
i can still provide some sort of binary dump. |
21:23 |
mod6 |
im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
works mod6 |
21:24 |
mod6 |
you testing on your end? |
21:25 |
mod6 |
nm. |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
well i've not got a wedged one |
21:25 |
mod6 |
that's good! |
21:26 |
mod6 |
which version, which patches? |
21:27 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish |
21:27 |
trinque |
that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013 |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012 |
21:27 |
mod6 |
oh, ok. |
21:27 |
trinque |
I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime |
21:27 |
ben_vulpes |
not cockchain! |
21:28 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to... |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah don't drag that in . |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...' |
21:28 |
mod6 |
yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell. |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
howling shit whay this log no ends! |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i've been reading at it all day |
21:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+] |
21:30 |
mod6 |
hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest. |
21:31 |
mod6 |
so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there. |
21:31 |
mod6 |
:] |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the worlds leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape." |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
blergh. |
21:32 |
ben_vulpes |
none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right? |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ? |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you." |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
not afaik ? |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
288888, incidentally. |
21:33 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron? |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree" |
21:35 |
mod6 |
this is the txhash that it pukes on: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c |
21:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DEuolt ) |
21:39 |
danielpbarron |
mine didn't wedge |
21:40 |
danielpbarron |
height=188068 |
21:40 |
danielpbarron |
it's the porta-tronic-bastard version |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated lobbes |
21:40 |
assbot |
You have not rated lobbes. |
21:40 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends |
21:40 |
assbot |
The Chemical Worker's Song by Great Big Sea - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEvv4G ) |
21:40 |
danielpbarron |
i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory... |
21:40 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0aab3f743d4aad9b |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg done! yay! |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: neato |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ? |
21:44 |
danielpbarron |
ya |
21:44 |
danielpbarron |
idk if it'll work yet but i have a bitcoind |
21:45 |
danielpbarron |
i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation |
21:45 |
danielpbarron |
that fixed it. |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: what version of openssl ? |
21:50 |
danielpbarron |
same as yours in auto.sh |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
building on what platform ? |
21:51 |
danielpbarron |
the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing |
21:51 |
danielpbarron |
gentoo |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
odd, then |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
should not have had to change anything. |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
whatsoever. |
21:51 |
danielpbarron |
that's the assumption that was holding me back :p |
21:51 |
danielpbarron |
idk i probably messed something up somewhere |
21:52 |
danielpbarron |
this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz |
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21:52 |
asciilifeform |
(sha512) |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
what's yours ? |
21:52 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance |
21:52 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you |
21:52 |
danielpbarron |
i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform |
21:52 |
decimation |
they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not |
21:53 |
decimation |
the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret' |
21:53 |
danielpbarron |
oh wait i have it hosted already |
21:53 |
danielpbarron |
http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt |
21:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DEytpU ) |
21:53 |
ben_vulpes |
ssn secret is best secret |
21:53 |
danielpbarron |
ctrl+f openssl |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: read the makefile |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: 'install' is 'all install_docs install_sw' |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
i take it you had the latex docs bug ? |
21:54 |
danielpbarron |
yes |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
then safe to ignore. |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ? |
21:57 |
decimation |
in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
and, depending on your credit rating, buy a 'boeing' with no questions asked. |
21:57 |
decimation |
similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
usg sees this as a civil service! |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. if you refuse to sell yourself into debt slavery, someone is to do it for you. |
21:58 |
decimation |
somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
a... 24 bit? secret |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
big fat secret. |
21:58 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number |
21:59 |
decimation |
and checking account number |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
which is known to ten thousand waiters. |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
checking << known to everyone you ever write a cheque to... |
22:00 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
the biggest criminal, usg, makes most of it. |
22:01 |
decimation |
it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O |
22:02 |
* |
asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name |
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22:02 |
asciilifeform |
we all want to use mircea_popescu's bank of mars. |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
crazy huh. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
they caught the woman, eventually, and there was some penalty (a light one, iirc) but it did not send the creditors back to the holes they crawled out of |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
and, having the option to be rid of this mess, he took it |
22:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
they also get best of both worlds if the victim is retarded, and saddles himself with the debt |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
in any number of ways |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
(in most u.s. states, paying even a penny - glues it to you permanently) |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, only for five years iirc. |
22:05 |
decimation |
the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
ianal. |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
course if you "continue contact" it resets |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy << at this point, this is not unlike worrying about the health effects of the embalming solution undertakers inject into their 'patients' |
22:07 |
decimation |
'begging for gpg via media' http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke |
22:07 |
assbot |
The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEC1s6 ) |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: looks like that fella wins 'beggar of the year' ? |
22:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
a number of common household tools in the photo |
22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide." |
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22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ? |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
a cheapo soldering station, etc. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
'model m', with the inevitable pen clutter |
22:09 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
afaik they still are ? |
22:10 |
decimation |
no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
pointless distraction. |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
the fiat world's refusal to use modern crypto exclusively is not a mistake, not an accident, not sloth |
22:14 |
decimation |
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html << all you wanted to know |
22:14 |
assbot |
Social Security Number Randomization ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEE2Va ) |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
it is a deliberate and planned act |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
just like the failure-to-mention-mpex discussed in mircea_popescu's article |
22:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
forget universal anything-card |
22:15 |
decimation |
but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
just the notion that 'you are a key' |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
not even necessarily one key |
22:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.0003885 = 6.2008 BTC [-] |
22:16 |
decimation |
why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them? |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
but the notion that commercial identity can exist outside of a key - is a work of the beast. |
22:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: aye that's true |
22:17 |
decimation |
but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
it would be unthinkable for anyone other than usg to wipe arses, if this were practical. |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << describes, among other things, the curious fact that within usg, only specially trained gnomes are permitted the privilege of generating keys, for use by all ranks from private to president) |
22:21 |
assbot |
Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM ) |
22:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2} |
22:21 |
decimation |
or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
that was conclusively suppressed after u.s. civil war, iirc. |
22:22 |
thestringpuller |
the keymaker isn't entirely bad concept |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: for whom ? |
22:23 |
decimation |
ah, yes, the author of gpg is a ham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dd9jn |
22:23 |
assbot |
User:Dd9jn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEGomQ ) |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: for keymaker - a smashingly great concept. |
22:23 |
thestringpuller |
have you not seen the matrix? |
22:23 |
thestringpuller |
why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel? |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: you go and fuck your wife, but you mustn't slip it in directly - gotta put it in this little gnome fella first |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
and he sticks his in the wife |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
any other way - treasonous. |
22:24 |
thestringpuller |
from this standpoint yes |
22:24 |
thestringpuller |
but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker |
22:24 |
mod6 |
lol pillow pants |
22:25 |
thestringpuller |
is extremely valuable |
22:25 |
thestringpuller |
unlock all the things |
22:25 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: has been watching too many mc hammer videos |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
;;ud pillow pants |
22:25 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pillow+pants | pillow pants. Pussy Troll. The parents place it in their daughter pussy. If a penis trys entering the pussy before the age of 21 then the Pussy Troll will bite it off. |
22:27 |
thestringpuller |
TIL |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
this sounds a lot like getting used skin to live in. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
and for all of fiddybucks, a name, mailing addr., work history, political party, to go with it. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
generally the credit agencies are somewhat better at tracking deaths than, e.g., the voter rolls |
22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
see above |
22:29 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days |
22:29 |
thestringpuller |
or at least cover |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: it is a traditional algorithm for crafting fake people for official uses |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
not even a secret of any kind |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
(openly discussed in agency-authorized historical texts) |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: usg does not care (or even encourages, see earlier 'house-buying' postdoc story) about a plebe impersonating another plebe. |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
when some hobo successfully impersonates obama, or buffett - then. |
22:32 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/-YaX2jLc_ko |
22:32 |
assbot |
Clerks 2- pillowpants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmcqA ) |
22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt it's aware enough for something like this. |
22:32 |
thestringpuller |
good 'ol kevin smith |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
who wants to be the first to buy a certified pre-owned (tm) ru nuke sub as mr buffett ? |
22:33 |
decimation |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-usa-intelligence-mobile-idUSTRE78M5BI20110923 |
22:33 |
assbot |
Not so simple: U.S. spy agency trying to go mobile| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmoX0 ) |
22:33 |
decimation |
"Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official." |
22:34 |
decimation |
apparently nobody in usg gives a shit |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
the 'obamaphone' (not the one handed out to paupers, the other obamaphone) is well-known at this point |
22:36 |
decimation |
http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE6BF6BZ20101216 < ""There's no such thing as 'secure' any more," Debora Plunkett of the National Security Agency said on Thursday amid U.S. anger and embarrassment over disclosure of sensitive diplomatic cables by the web site WikiLeaks." |
22:36 |
assbot |
U.S. code-cracking agency works as if compromised| Technology| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEJEyK ) |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian. |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad" |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: that article has the beginnings of a glorious 'onion piece' |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc in russian similarly., |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
'of course we must assume that the adversary owns the network. this is why nukes must be expected to fly anywhere at all, .... ...' |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
'state ipad', but one nitpick, this presumes that somewhere there lives a 'normal' one. |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
no. just a... sexy one. |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/05/why-we-should-care-about-domestic-drones-and-how-to-bring-them-down << loltronic |
22:39 |
assbot |
Why we should worry about domestic drones and how to bring them down ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmnB0l ) |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting. |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
merely, younger, nakeder, eager-er. |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
^ recall mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' article |
22:39 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation |
22:40 |
decimation |
"making things secure is hard, let's just give up" |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: psyops to make plebes give up sooner. |
22:40 |
decimation |
eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
[insert 'meta-nsa' thread here] |
22:42 |
decimation |
aye |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
'A Homeland Security sensor deployed to spot but not interfere with drones flying above the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Minneapolis last July cost several hundred thousand dollars to operate for just that night, reported the New York Times.' |
22:42 |
* |
asciilifeform falls down from lulz |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
'The Secret Service uses covert radio-frequency jammers inside a Chevrolet Suburban that travels with the presidents motorcade. These devices disable remotely triggered improvised bombs. But because they have to disable explosives set off by a potentially large number of frequencies, the jammers saturate a wide spectrum, occasionally interfering with cellphones nearby.' << this deserves an aside |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
the particular apparatus involved is discussed in reasonably clear terms in textbooks |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., r. poisel's 'communications electronic warfare systems' |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ not a bad place to start |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu ^ 'g3n3r1c j4mm3rz!' |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ? |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what are these people, idiots ? |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
what's actually inside? unsurprisingly, a catalogue of frequencies used by cellular, wireless housephones, toy cars, teledildoes... |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
wouldn't you set off << a) no, because, e.g., toy car or phone has a discriminator - required bitstring (a la 'MAC address') that must match |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
to avoid interference from neighbours' teledildoes |
22:46 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: re: wasting money on 'security' < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/ |
22:46 |
assbot |
Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh ) |
22:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038944 = 25.703 BTC [-] |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
b) if set off, because receiver was built from shoebox, string and dead squirrel - this is meant to happen -before- the truck reaches the mine |
22:47 |
decimation |
not if the bomb is sufficiently large |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: see also 'wasp'. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform but you make your own reception. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: americans themselves have a specially custom rocket that does only this. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
and likewise most nations |
22:47 |
* |
decimation does not condone violence against any living thing |
22:48 |
* |
asciilifeform condones violence against chickens |
22:48 |
* |
asciilifeform and potatoes |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement. |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf bs violence is this. |
22:49 |
decimation |
like your software license? |
22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so, huh. |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
unlicense! |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.' |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-chinese-military-blasted-a-private-drone-with-a-shotgun-5789a7483014 |
22:51 |
assbot |
The Chinese Military Blasted a Private Drone With a Shotgun — War Is Boring — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmpIBo ) |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
^ related |
22:55 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/canadian-mans-letter-to-court-accept-bitcoin-as-the-one-and-only-global-currency/ |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
re: jammers: |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
terrain tracking navigator is not such a hard problem. |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
jam that. |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
duffel ? |
22:59 |
decimation |
re: ibm < of course the 100,000 person layoff comes after paying $1.3 bn to not make chips anymore http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192430-ibm-dumps-chip-unit-pays-globalfoundries-1-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands |
22:59 |
assbot |
IBM sells chip business to GlobalFoundries for $1.5 billion (updated) | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmqNJt ) |
22:59 |
decimation |
which is of course its only possible route to relevance |
23:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3234 @ 0.00096158 = 3.1097 BTC [-] {8} |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
!s ibm real estate |
23:02 |
assbot |
2 results for 'ibm real estate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ibm+real+estate |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
how the mighty have fallen! and to think, ibm was once the sole source of jew list tabulators to nazis |
23:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now |
23:03 |
decimation |
kind like hp's core business is printer ink |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
or texas instruments and the remaining pocket calculators |
23:04 |
decimation |
at least ti still makes chips |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
'makes' |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
in asia. |
23:04 |
decimation |
well, yeah |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/ |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
1.5b for ibm's chip div. << state of maryland could have bought one and a half of these for the cost of road 200 (a recently built, money-losing toll road i frequent.) |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the calculators use very well-understood, ancient components |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: on account of the designs dating back to the mid '80s |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
as i understand, they've introduced a few devices where this 'problem' is 'fixed' |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
(an 'arm' cpu, fat ram, and... an emulator of the 1980s calcs) |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab > |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
>D |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-07-26_Overclocking_the_TI-83+_Graphing_Calculator/overview.jpg << not mine. but did this for a few classmates as a schoolboy |
23:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zmst5B ) |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school |
23:09 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel |
23:09 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph) |
23:10 |
decimation |
it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
empty on account of outlandish tolls |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, speed limit could easily be enforced by the (photo-operated) toll machines - but isn't |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
instead, there are 6 (?) policecars, in special '200' livery, at all times. |
23:11 |
decimation |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/agreement-allows-konterra-project-to-move-forward/2011/04/19/AF4neD7D_blog.html "The pact includes construction of a planned I-95 interchange with Contee Road near Maryland Route 198, and extension of Virginia Manor Road for access to the proposed 2,200-acre mixed-use development." |
23:11 |
assbot |
Agreement allows Konterra project to move forward - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DERLLF ) |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
spot checks, so nobody actually drives the limit |
23:12 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
i bet mircea_popescu knows what the pupils -actually- did with those calculators. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t1_drug_wars2.jpg |
23:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DES6y7 ) |
23:13 |
decimation |
heh I used to play that game on bbs's |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: same dynamics as the management of hunting in game preserves. |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: you had a ti92. what was https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vYjLMFABxoRvDQUr.huge ? |
23:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtH0T ) |
23:16 |
decimation |
http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/04212011/busiplo163111_32533.php < " O'Malley thanked the Konterra developers, Kingdon Gould Jr. and his son Caleb Gould, for cooperating to allow the state to move forward with the ICC plan without the costs of going to court to acquire the land." |
23:16 |
assbot |
ICC pieces fall into place for Konterra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtPgR ) |
23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: from five minute's dig, seems like it was a rom. |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. " |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... this puts mpoe-pr to shame |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"simply a hole in the air" !? |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: toldya he was worth digging into |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rodgort |
23:18 |
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Bet created: "American Sniper wins Oscar for Best Picture" http://bitbet.us/bet/1117/ |
23:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61721 @ 0.0003888 = 23.9971 BTC [-] |
23:19 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing. |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i had several. see log |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: the original 'blue arrow keys' was best. |
23:20 |
BingoBoingo |
That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
not just that |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
the later grey blob, with the usb jack, also had... a boot time. |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
(a second or so, but it much grated on the nerves) |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=253&image_id=3667 << the 'plus module' from earlier. updated rom + eeprom (original -92 lacked eeprom) |
23:25 |
assbot |
TI-Planet | Voir l'image - Module TI-92 Plus ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvdQD ) |
23:25 |
cazalla |
ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cemetech.net/img/misc/collection2013a.jpg |
23:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvine ) |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
^ all of them, i think |
23:26 |
BingoBoingo |
That is a collection |
23:27 |
BingoBoingo |
The 86 was a good looking computer |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://goughlui.com/2015/01/29/review-teardown-apotop-wi-copy-dw21-5200mah-power-bank << this wants to be a node |
23:30 |
assbot |
Review, Teardown: Apotop Wi-Copy (DW21) 5200mAh Power Bank | Gough's Tech Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEWzkd ) |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
but, unless i missed something, no info anywhere re: ram on the board. |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
if anyone has one of these, please pop the cover and take a photo. |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
of the side not shown, that is |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
i like that the 802.11 card - comes off. |
23:34 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: has the best toys |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
^ not mine |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
all i have is this picture. |
23:39 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
peculiarly high price tag, but perhaps will fall to somewhere close to zero as they sit on the shelves. |
23:42 |
decimation |
what's the point of the battery? |
23:42 |
decimation |
backup for power failure? |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
these are, i think, meant to be used with iPnohe |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
which does not allow expansion of storage in the customary way |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
(no slots) |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
but luser gets to stuff sd card or usb drive into this gizmo, which serves up contents over http |
23:43 |
decimation |
lol that's silly |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
silly or not, apparently there are at least half a dozen makers of just this. |
23:44 |
decimation |
but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
i looked at several when hunting for node hardware |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
none had any more than 32m of ram |
23:47 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant? |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: interestingly! |
23:51 |
decimation |
ah RTL8196D |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
23:51 |
decimation |
mips64? |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
for some reason sitting on the wireless daughterboard. |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
32, iirc |
23:55 |
decimation |
well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
there is a mips-android... |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
(even x86, iirc.) |
23:56 |
decimation |
ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion |
23:57 |
decimation |
huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips |
23:58 |
decimation |
actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
not at the sticker price. |
23:59 |
decimation |
nah, but less than say $20-30 |