#trilema | 2015-02-21

King of cannabis Nevil Schoenmakers stages a quiet comeback ... ( http://bit.ly/18aU1Bj )

00:31

The operation succeeded.

00:45

heh check that out.

00:46

poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.

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01:07

NewLiberty

decimation, the cash car loans operation is registered to do it. They do pawn for cars so fairly high value goods. I may try to sell the owner on the idea since he was contemplating starting an exchange.

01:08

pawn-for-btc ?

01:08

or pawn-btc-for-usd ?

01:10

TheNewDeal

;;bids 216.9

01:10

Bitstamp | There are currently 5830.8258 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 1354479.01693 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0220 seconds

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TheNewDeal

!down TheNewDeal

01:24

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/02/greece-creditors-draft-bailout-agreement-150220180708947.html

01:24

Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/19O6co4 )

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02:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00038386 = 9.4046 BTC [+]

02:19

http://xkcd.com/1489/

02:19

xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvx0cL )

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https://bitbucket.org/mihaila/bindead/wiki/Home

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mihaila / Bindead / wiki / Home — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvyNi2 )

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binary static analysis.

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03:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35532 @ 0.00038424 = 13.6528 BTC [+] {2}

03:33

http://w00tsec.blogspot.com/2015/02/firmware-forensics-diffs-timelines-elfs.html

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w00tsec: Firmware Forensics: Diffs, Timelines, ELFs and Backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx9Oqd )

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04:11

http://aje.io/95ce

04:11

Iraqi showdown against ISIL? - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxdAQc )

04:13

1:1 odds the iraqis will flee on contact

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05:14

i tell you what, keira knightley is looking worse for wear in that turing movie (which was shit)

05:15

she looks 10 years older than what she is in that movie

05:18

but what about blunderbuss cucumberpatch?

05:19

*

Adlai saw some review that maintained that just that casting choice invalidated the rest of the movie

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/AlanTuring-Bletchley.jpg zero similarity

05:20

... ( http://bit.ly/1JvMNs4 )

05:25

cazalla, Schoenmaker still alive huh

05:25

Adlai, i dunno, seemed he was intent on acting like an autistic retard the entire movie

05:26

First act of this morning which began an hour after midnight, shoveling snow and laying salt was a success

05:26

iirc one of his partners was a USG agent, surprising he escaped USG prison

05:26

punkman, was always known he was alive through his dealings with mr nice seedbank

05:27

Mr Nice spent quite some time in USG prison

05:27

his book is a fun read

05:27

punkman: That was more a concern for the local authorities. If the feds knew, they almost always just kept such information in J Edgar's blackmail file.

05:28

punkman, from what i've read, greenhouse seeds posers ripped the mothers off nev and mr nice

05:29

who really knows the fkn truth of it all though

05:31

I just like teh smuggling stories

05:31

everything would suggest arjan roskam is nothing but a glorified adsense marketer for weed

05:32

punkman, same

05:33

i'm the first the campaign about the medicinal effects of alcohol over the medicinal effects of herbs

05:33

to*.. clearly i am under the effects of medicinal alcohol at this very moment

05:33

;;google modern drunkard magazine

05:33

Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/>; You're a Drunk - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/md_youre_a_drunk.htm>; Top 10 - Modern Drunkard Magazine: <http://www.drunkard.com/top-ten.html>

05:34

i never smoked the wacky toboacky in my life

05:34

BingoBoingo++

05:35

http://www.drunkard.com/archive/Modern%20Drunk%20Art/drunk-art-001.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JvNZM7 )

05:35

;;later rate cazalla -1 unless he smokes the sticky tabiccy

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Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

05:35

http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/images/safeguard-sanity-58.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JvO0zz )

05:36

though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice

05:36

;;later rate adlai -100 insinuates i am not a law abiding citizen of the commonwealth of australia

05:36

Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

05:37

you mean like snoop dogg vapors?

05:38

Let us all remember the bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry

05:38

afaik he smokes, but any self-respecting coffeeshop has desktop vapes like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3bgflEaoc

05:38

VOLCANO Digit Vaporizer Review and demo- Digit Vaporizer Review Volcano Demonstration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANBFB )

05:38

or you mean vaping alcohol adlai? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOa_GXNpuJk

05:38

Smoking Alcohol! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EANDgC )

05:38

<cazalla> everything would suggest arjan < yep, arjan lying thief

05:38

vaping alcohol sounds rather dangerous, plant matter is easy enough to ignite, why fuck with biofuel

05:39

ignite *accidentally

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'bong was a part of the USG lowering Shrem into pederastry' << ?

05:40

<punkman> his book is a fun read < yup, quite out there.

05:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82121 @ 0.00038613 = 31.7094 BTC [+] {2}

05:41

!s bong

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32 results for 'bong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bong

05:41

movie sucks balls though.

05:42

Adlai: Before his arrest Charlie gave some magazine interview and spoke often of his bong and spoke very fondly of it.

05:42

32! never took this to be such a hot topic™

05:42

lulz

05:42

Adlai, i don't think shrem is in the lock up yet anyway

05:43

yeah i guess you need a few olympic golds to own a bong

05:43

Adlai: You really do here. Or to otherwise be boring.

05:43

;;google charlie shrem bong

05:43

Bitcoin Millionaire Charlie Shrem of BitInstant Arrested - Vocativ: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/bitcoin-millionaire-charlie-shrem-arrested-money-laundering/>; My Night Out With Bitcoin Millionaire and Proud Stoner Charlie Shrem: <http://www.vocativ.com/tech/bitcoin/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/>; THE CRYPTO SHOW | Bringing the world of technology, (1 more message)

05:43

fkn unaustralian cunts never heard of a mr juicy bottle and the ever shortening garden hose?

05:44

>Later in the the night, we went up to his apartment, where I spotted a couple of bongs. At some point, Shrem told me, “I won’t hire you unless I drink with you or smoke weed with you—that’s a 100 percent fact.”

05:44

ah right, who could forget.

05:45

it's the japanese way

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i thought the japanese way was to steal your shit

05:52

kamakazzzzziiieee

05:55

In USia "drugs" are often used as a pretext by USG for taking nice things from people who have nice things.

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BingoBoingo: I thought the pretext was "how dare you have nice things"

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punkman: Well, "drugs" is they pretext of convenience used before resorting to that one.

05:58

BingoBoingo, same here down under, but i drink so it's all legal

05:58

but i don't have nice things anyway

05:59

yeah. some time in the past I occasionally enjoyed other substances, but... Bitcoin happened.

05:59

i don't even buy new clothes in like 2-3 years

05:59

seems a waste of money

05:59

good clothes last longer than that

06:00

punkman, even the best of clothes don't fit expanding waist line :P

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but i keep em anyway, rocky montage inc any day now

06:01

rabbit is lean, how u expand waist

06:02

sitting on ass and boozing

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fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel

06:03

you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!

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nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo

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leave

06:05

cazalla: Have you seen the waistlines of some of the players?

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well no, it's not popular here aside a few sepppo wannabes

06:06

in fact, i have pics from area i use to take morning walks

06:06

was a make shift baseball field

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pics are bitter sweet because while i was busy checking out the drains in the area

06:07

blockchain height was moving higher and higher

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oblivious

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Ah

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I've got about 8 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing

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yet to tackle that

06:09

tbh, i found obsd and xfce to run like ass, no surprise a nigbuntu runs faster

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i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)

06:12

reminds me of that wish i could read so i could get welfare meme

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but more, i wish i could compute so as not to get owned

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anyway.. pics of playing in drains while blockheight moved higher and higher http://imgur.com/BOSU8OS,ihFlqIk,mvnw852

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Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/18c5657 )

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this is what i meant anyway http://i.imgur.com/3wcaEwf.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/18c7lp4 )

06:24

best road rash song evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKlTJxGAuI

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Paw - Jessie (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c8gWg )

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http://www.drunkard.com/issues/58/58-pocketful-of-joy-01.html

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Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9lNQ )

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks props to anyone who guesses the grinspoon reference :P

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Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18c9EIF )

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seen this guys at the BDO like 10 years ago, disappointing in concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA

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Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18caAwJ )

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https://www.havelockinvestments.com

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www.havelockinvestments.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/18caEN1 )

06:36

this is offline since yesterday it seems

06:36

kakobrekla, but dead long time before that

06:37

but the RENT is too god damn high

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i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes

06:39

ah i see mike already noticed yet.

06:39

yest.

06:39

the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now

06:40

as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse

06:40

yet in school, told we would be farmers

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by time school finished, no farms in site

06:41

when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves

06:42

the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling

06:42

yet agriciulutral school still persists to this day despite every bit of plastic shit being shipped in from china

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so what happens when ya train a bunch of kids for local industry that no longer exist by the time they become adults? cunts like this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Valera

06:44

Mark Valera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0iB1P )

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should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTDcKcMSoiI

06:49

Tex Perkins - I Know Y'Know I Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0jXcI )

06:50

prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt

06:51

in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?

06:52

primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here

06:53

of course net was expensive as shit here, so had bbs as side gig, yearr 8 high school teacher use to call into my board too

06:54

fkn old hag constantly bitching we were on austnet irc before roll call

06:54

the fuck else you gonna use the net for back then?

06:55

well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either

06:56

well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on

06:56

still shits me, i was promised a farm, all i wanted was a farm.. still.. no farm

06:57

buy some land, feed yourself?

06:57

i still harbour immense resentment about all this shit

06:58

jurov, i got a small plot here, problem is in australia, one is expected to work 30-40 years to pay for it

06:58

my broke ass immigrant opa with less than 2 dimes had his shit paid off in 2 decades

06:59

now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill

06:59

we are all slaves

07:00

<cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?

07:01

something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here

↖

07:02

i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined

07:03

i'm not against work mind you

07:03

but these make work jobs they put you in for 30-40 years at bezzle rates

07:03

i dunno how ppl are yet to tap out

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people hypnotized by tv and drugged up dont notice

07:05

i honestly think i'd do better in an enviroment of scare food and where you gotta kill to eat

07:05

a lot of us would

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(why to all those people go join the jihad?)

07:06

i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad

07:06

well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS

07:06

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-21/perth-student-joins-islamic-state-fighters/6171552

07:06

Islamic State: Perth university student Muhammed Sheglabo joins fighters in Middle East - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0osEi )

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i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos

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idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?

07:08

of all the socialist countries in the western world, australia might in fact be the worst

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and i am somewhat "privilileged"

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the ones that come after me though? they are truely fucked

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nah, something will break, a reset is coming

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i fucking hope so

07:10

i'm already clinging to a shit rope

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with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve

07:11

time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out

07:12

maybe the kids have no option though

07:12

i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit

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but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will

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bezzle makes em dependent, lazy

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or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs

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yup, a kick into reality

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i been looking for work myself atm

07:16

much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime

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the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now

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selling btc grants you perhaps additional time but eventually that shit rope will tigthten for good and that angel lust inc

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yet i can think of nothing worse

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ya fucking hung as in necked or i go and prostitute myself on a part time basis to keep lights on

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sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be

07:18

this whole fucking bitcoin escapade is bitter sweet

07:18

knowing truth can be painful

07:19

times like this i regret having a missus and kid

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is/isil/isis/etc should rebrand as "United States of Islamica"

07:19

i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that

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but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you

07:19

nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid

07:20

which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today

07:20

such conflict

07:21

i value a meal, a roof over my head, a warm bed

07:21

Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?

07:22

cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later

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13 months

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i don't know if i could hit him in the fashion my own father hit me

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and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine

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at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)

07:23

maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..

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i can;t think of anything worse than my son taking what i own just as he hits his late teens, early 20s

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but my own trajectory.. dead soon enough

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already live as if on borrowed time

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hecen drinking oneself stupid

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goal is just to impart to son that he need not follow rules of society set by bezzle

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prob serve him better if i drop dead earlier in his life than later

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up againstg it though

07:26

everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others

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not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people

07:27

go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F

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fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head

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school is great slave training, obey obey obey

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fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway

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only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many

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and you knew.. just by looking at them

07:29

i use to have fights with 2-3 kids

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and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster

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and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder

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fuck them all

07:31

modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids

07:31

I learned good things in school, but higher ed was a complete disappointment

07:31

meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence

07:31

i learned nothing

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00038115 = 6.0603 BTC [-]

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anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer

07:32

close one door, open another, that was the epitome

07:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19647 @ 0.00037076 = 7.2843 BTC [-]

07:34

i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker

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but when such a class of person is robbed of such opportunity, you know it is real over

07:37

mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people

07:38

i hope you neck every single one of them

07:39

adn what happened with dad's land? so that you ended up without anything

07:39

smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot

07:40

and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?

07:40

jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle

07:41

please explain

07:41

did he sell everything and gave you only bezzlars?

07:41

no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes

07:41

it'll fucking deplete the lot

07:43

what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years

07:43

I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though

07:44

<chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end

07:46

when soemone like me strolls into #b-a and becomes a regular, you know it's almost over

07:47

what's almost over?

07:47

calm before the storm?

07:47

the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort

07:48

wishes, horses

07:49

ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"

07:51

punkman, what's a wish?

07:52

you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?

07:53

i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you

07:54

does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?

07:56

uni loans keepspace with inflation.. and not even solider pay keeps up with inflation.. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-bureaucrats-stung-by-meagre-pay-offer-20150219-13jlz3.html

07:56

Defence bureaucrats stung by meagre pay offer ... ( http://bit.ly/19PIMi6 )

07:57

gov is more than happy to load you up on debt for b-a

07:57

fkn kids should get a #b-a instead of a b-a

07:57

cazalla, wishing the bezzle away

07:57

you gonna have to neck them

07:58

hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there

07:59

im just fucking itching to unlease some bloodlust on orcs and march em forward

07:59

and if you think i'm fucking kidding, just try me

07:59

also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there

08:00

<cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it

08:01

chetty, i'm being generous

08:01

hopefully we have a whole fucking army of joe stack kamikazes

08:02

pew pew pew

08:03

i like mp's touch.. 5 year anniversary

08:05

of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..

08:05

kamikaze!

08:06

too bad "ideas are bulletproof" shoots both ways

08:06

the enemy is not a person

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height=214124 vs height=188482

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Bet placed: 3.09885 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.69984479 BTC. Current weight: 93,956.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00038977 = 6.7235 BTC [+] {2}

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11:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00038325 = 10.7693 BTC [-]

11:38

!up arvicco

11:38

!up arvicco1

11:41

O.o http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6995429&cid=49100057

11:42

Homeland Security Urges Lenovo Customers To Remove Superfish - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHbjU8 )

11:44

dignork

btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.

11:45

dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?

11:47

dignork

well, pretty much anyone doing TLS MitM just creates one key per client/subnet/attack, unless it's USG just using a kosher VeriSign key

11:48

Makes sense

~ 28 minutes ~

12:17

assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.

12:20

kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".

12:20

xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW0jKs )

12:20

that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.

12:21

"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...

12:23

why do they need so many troops?

12:23

because they don't stand a chance.

12:24

"well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."

12:24

anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...

12:25

"everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost

12:25

and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.

12:26

and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world

12:26

but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.

12:28

the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O

12:29

at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?

12:29

half hour in ?

12:30

let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.

12:30

so they... didn't.

12:30

seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control

12:30

that's coupla decades ago.

12:31

but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore

12:31

if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it

12:31

is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.

12:32

"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear

12:33

paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?

12:33

all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?

12:33

the discussion is in the logs on this score.

12:33

chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.

12:34

ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.

12:34

rofl

12:34

i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".

12:34

applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!

12:34

mircea_popescu: simpler than that.

12:35

mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs

12:36

because orcs

12:36

mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.

12:36

think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host.

12:37

green with infinite air support ?

12:37

<mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey

12:37

somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"

12:37

green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe

12:38

asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam

12:38

chetty makes your skin crawl don't it.

12:38

it do, it do

12:38

*

asciilifeform not specialist, but remembers that vietnam had, e.g., leaf cover

12:38

and good soviet support

12:38

o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O

12:39

arabs or 'isis'

12:39

iirc there's some disagreement among the arabs at large

12:39

sure.

12:40

unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.

12:40

BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O

12:40

asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.

12:41

it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"

12:41

it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.

12:42

i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul

12:43

i don't see it either.

12:43

but as a kind-of minor point. what fucking kurds.

12:45

<mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola

12:46

BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security

12:46

what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.

12:46

as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process

12:46

sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.

12:47

mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.

12:48

that's an interesting point.

12:49

Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.

12:50

lawl.

12:50

oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy

12:50

no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.

12:51

help help i'm being oppressed

12:51

except the golden age of comics

12:51

BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?

12:51

about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?

12:51

I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs

12:51

as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?

12:51

mircea_popescu: Seriously

12:51

hilarious.

12:53

Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...

12:53

talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes

12:55

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wm3h7/eli5_why_is_amir_taaki_important_and_why_do_some/cos48ko << Megalol, Companion loling >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2wnjjt/bitcoiners_find_out_what_the_dark_in_darkwallet/

12:55

ELI5: Why is Amir Taaki important and why do some people dislike him. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL86I )

12:55

Bitcoiners find out what the "dark" in darkwallet means, try to justify it. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL7Qk )

12:56

someone post the immortal http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/

12:56

Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLeeB )

12:57

Well they got to the ancient https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3066.0 first

12:57

Erotic chat by Skype ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLhHh )

12:58

lol aite.

12:58

sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.

12:59

Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle

13:00

chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.

13:00

BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.

13:02

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2015#1027022 << ayup.

13:02

Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here

13:02

Inflation

13:03

nono, "easing'

13:05

sorry, relaxing and lubricaing

13:05

cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.

13:06

QUANTITATIVE easing

13:06

because that word makes it sound better

13:06

im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.

13:06

fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE

13:06

exactly

13:06

"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"

13:06

"give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"

13:07

"it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"

13:07

"like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"

13:07

dulap!!

13:08

lmao

13:09

cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...

13:09

well whatever.

13:10

so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.

13:11

overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.

13:12

"cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all

13:13

"oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"

13:14

mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.

13:14

nuts.

13:14

so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.

13:19

Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"

13:19

!up Asenath

13:19

i had no idea.

~ 16 minutes ~

13:36

asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.

13:40

"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"

13:40

Apocalyptic

lol

13:40

+mircea_popescu | talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes << it's just https://xkcd.com/312/

13:40

xkcd: With Apologies to Robert Frost ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMmg6 )

13:41

ben_vulpes: absentee landlord on opposite coast

13:42

https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/issues/31164#issuecomment-50284751 << shitgnomes.

13:42

Unsigned kexts cannot be used on 10.10 · Issue #31164 · Homebrew/homebrew · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMxrN )

13:42

asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?

13:42

ben_vulpes: cash ?

13:42

sure, why not

13:43

that what you were going on about

13:43

can do this at bank ?

13:43

let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?

13:43

(and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)

13:43

counter deposit receipt

13:44

receipt, trust.

13:45

tlsnotary!

13:45

which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank

13:47

Apocalyptic

<asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc

13:48

Apocalyptic

apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works

13:48

that's rich.

13:48

the window is closing.

13:48

asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.

13:49

"doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.

13:52

a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution

13:53

ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements

13:54

that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'

13:54

then what

13:54

sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.

13:54

granted, a problem.

13:55

it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal

13:55

but neither applies

13:55

but one of the wot, no?

13:55

<asciilifeform> let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.

13:55

*ethnomafia

13:57

mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it

13:57

on account of weight class

13:57

but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.

13:57

you do get a receipt for the txn

13:58

mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported

13:58

well yes.

13:58

so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.

13:58

as was meant to

13:58

it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.

13:59

but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.

13:59

I've never paid rent not in cash :P

13:59

then same as cutting a cheque

13:59

or sending a wire

13:59

see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.

13:59

these aren't the same.

13:59

in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'

13:59

'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'

14:00

exactl.y

14:00

or getting on lists

14:00

ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.

14:00

suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k

14:00

what if you only have 10.

14:00

no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.

14:00

like you know ddr2 ? must meet min speed ?

14:00

granted.

14:01

but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable

14:01

investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.

14:01

yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.

14:01

it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.

14:01

millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg

14:02

nevertheless.

14:02

for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues

14:02

on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa

14:02

it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"

14:02

(while debt slavery - is)

14:02

buy a corp with debt.,

14:02

rent as the corp.

14:02

this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above

14:03

need the infrastructure

14:03

yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.

14:03

you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.

14:03

except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)

14:04

this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.

14:04

hmm?

14:05

not clear ?

14:05

afraid not

14:05

so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd

14:06

person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1

14:06

Bet created: "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/

14:06

other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.

14:06

this divergence suggests you're wrong.

14:07

s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.

14:07

see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned

14:07

you are mixing concepts.

14:07

hence the difference

14:08

how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do

14:08

it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.

14:08

how physically feasible something is, must be included

14:08

just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.

14:08

there's no physics law against sanity, yet.

14:09

what'd be the 'sanity' ?

14:09

obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.

14:10

if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?

14:11

well nao, i'll have to think about that.

14:11

*

asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily

14:11

this is true.

14:12

but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho

14:12

well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing

14:12

or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.

14:13

haha pretty good

14:13

but i still dun think it's a fair eval.

14:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27577 @ 0.00039825 = 10.9825 BTC [+] {2}

14:21

the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative

14:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23503 @ 0.00038325 = 9.0075 BTC [-]

14:22

he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.

14:28

but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P

14:30

with teleporter ?

14:33

... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent

14:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00037076 = 7.6006 BTC [-]

14:37

fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes

14:38

i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit

14:38

letz borrow monies 4 gunz plz

14:51

cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.

14:53

danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.

14:53

ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^

14:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00037229 = 9.754 BTC [+]

~ 23 minutes ~

15:19

asciilifeform: neat!

15:19

for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?

15:20

ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026168

15:20

Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)

15:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026169

15:21

Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise

15:21

ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.

15:21

aha

15:22

this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom

15:23

re: logs

15:23

it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron

15:23

why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?

15:24

omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life

15:24

o.O

15:24

"i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"

15:25

bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open

15:25

yes i'm an idiot

15:25

i started a company

15:25

i now have obligations

15:25

da woist

15:25

nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will

15:26

nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent

15:26

glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'

15:27

*

asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???

15:27

i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations

15:27

nubbins` local pain minimum

15:27

nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears

15:27

fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.

15:27

^ zero information here

15:28

the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.

15:28

what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here

15:28

"rocket"

15:28

^

15:28

asciilifeform: stop waste and save.

15:28

but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will

15:28

sounds blithe, no?

15:28

move to argentina and do webdev remotely.

15:28

nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut

15:28

now *that*s tears.

15:29

asciilifeform that's where the tears come in

15:29

seems to me destination is getting further and further away also

15:29

you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?

15:29

nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time

15:29

and fiat income

15:30

thats his excuse now.

15:30

i ^

15:30

unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?

15:31

the most costly piece of equipment is time.

15:31

just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013

15:31

and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc

15:31

how do you suppose i can manage this?

15:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00037983 = 2.6197 BTC [+]

15:32

nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc

15:32

a few seconds here and there are enough

15:32

sure.

15:33

consider the statement suitably modified

15:34

but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes

15:34

depends where 6k

15:34

it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.

15:34

location?

15:34

my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.

15:34

6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe

15:35

nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.

15:35

net 6k, i said 8)

15:35

canuckistan ?

15:35

yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free

15:36

anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me

15:36

nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that

15:36

mortgage: paid.

15:37

my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going

15:37

that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.

15:37

nubbins`: neat

15:38

i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job

15:38

now it takes me a bit longer

15:38

nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous

15:38

<asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked

15:38

but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick

15:38

for obvious reasons

15:38

asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all

15:39

decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot

15:39

all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself

15:39

decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid

15:39

well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank

15:39

decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt

15:39

decimation: see the clincher ?

15:39

and that's not a wot, that's a system.

15:39

yes, but not your identity

15:39

you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.

15:40

although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest

15:40

asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it

15:40

but hey

15:40

what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/

15:40

banking at any bank is banking with usg

15:41

ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail

15:41

^

15:41

bitcoin all the things

15:42

well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.

15:42

as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)

15:42

ben_vulpes has it

15:43

yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot

15:43

ascii where's here, anyway

15:43

even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd

15:43

nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.

15:43

o, fun

15:43

i guess?

15:43

nubbins`: lol

15:43

very 'fun'

15:43

heart of the beast

15:43

nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa

15:43

i heard it smells like brimstone there

15:44

more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one

15:47

concrete and cars everywhere

15:47

well, not here

15:47

*

asciilifeform does not live in the city limits

15:47

closer to university of md.

15:47

classic 'suburbs'?

15:47

aha

15:47

funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.

15:47

dead end streets and all?

15:47

interesting.

15:48

why would that be?

15:48

self-fulfilling-loop involving prices

15:49

well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing

15:49

asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?

15:49

this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time

15:49

yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians

15:49

*

ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct

15:49

my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room

15:49

punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure

15:49

*

decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters

15:50

asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job

15:50

punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum

15:50

nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can

15:51

actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there

15:51

decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market

15:52

because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of

15:52

so i pay a 'weirdo tax'

15:52

as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin

15:52

actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area

15:52

they just pay with usg fiat

15:52

well yes

15:52

everybody pays with fiat

15:53

I mean usg housing allowance

15:53

for free-standing building ?

15:53

oh yeah

15:53

not so common

15:53

read this and be amazed

15:53

http://militarybenefits.info/bah-rates-state/district-of-columbia-dc/

15:53

2015 D.C. BAH (Basic Allowance Housing) Rates by MHA | Military Benefits ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1peDy )

15:53

aha army officers

15:53

not just officers

15:54

even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents

15:54

as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market

15:54

and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'

15:54

because wtf, why.

15:54

they're rolling in the dough.

15:55

I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc

15:55

no great surprise.

15:55

i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.

15:55

this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in

15:56

ben_vulpes: of course it does

15:57

ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free

15:57

whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket

15:57

!

15:57

rightous.

15:57

righteous*

15:57

unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing

15:57

this actually explains quite a bit

15:57

maybe mats can confirm if he's around

15:58

you get paid to live off base if you're E-5

15:58

the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases

15:58

folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free

15:58

BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?

15:59

(basic allowance for housing)

15:59

might be 20, i never made it to E-5.

15:59

decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders

15:59

further propping up the faux market

15:59

$2286 per month for e5 with family

15:59

yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'

16:00

and cover closing costs I think

16:00

asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?

16:00

being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job

16:00

moving out

16:00

out

16:00

waat

16:00

w-w-why

16:00

because they move you

16:00

now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii

16:00

so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...

16:01

oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*

16:01

decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass

16:01

yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent

16:02

then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg

16:02

and what's left is a very thin slice.

16:02

yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too

16:04

well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices

16:04

aha

16:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00040309 = 3.3053 BTC [+]

16:04

and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer

16:04

plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class

16:04

(which renters get none whatsoever of)

16:05

yes, that's a massive real estate scam

16:05

the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble

16:05

which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing

16:06

asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool? or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?

16:07

decimation: code analysis ?

16:07

as in 'lint' ?

16:07

for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday

16:07

I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard

16:07

that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place

16:07

and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.

16:08

it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'

16:08

aha

16:08

built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.

16:08

this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere

16:09

because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks

16:09

yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49132 @ 0.00040309 = 19.8046 BTC [+]

16:09

decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc

16:10

because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus

16:10

not on the street near respectable people

16:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22968 @ 0.0004037 = 9.2722 BTC [+] {2}

16:10

asciilifeform: speaking of which: https://github.com/sellout/CL-LLVM

16:10

sellout/CL-LLVM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1tMcU )

16:11

^ mega-lol

16:12

asciilifeform: or this http://compcert.inria.fr/ < it's a 'formally verified' C compiler

16:12

CompCert - Main page ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ubw3 )

16:13

I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions

16:13

decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy

16:13

(to learn why - see log)

16:13

even if it worked.

16:13

unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-

16:13

yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack

16:13

because ken thompson

16:14

ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?

16:14

everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere

16:14

decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'

16:14

!s trusting trust

16:14

10 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust

16:14

i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer

16:15

yeah you have linked before

16:15

one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field

16:15

i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it

16:17

well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back

16:17

^

16:17

almost guaranteed.

16:19

also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there

16:20

it was his 'last hurrah'

16:20

but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.

16:20

yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types

16:20

as in 'sales engineer'

16:21

iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.

16:21

consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm

16:21

yes, plugged into a jack in the back

16:22

heh that's amusing

16:23

asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm

16:23

which problem

16:24

the netbsd ramdisk thing

16:24

danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake

16:24

this is not documented.

16:24

then ramdisk gets built

16:25

(the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)

16:25

next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.

16:26

lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."

16:26

Mac Apps That Use Garbage Collection Must Move to ARC - News and Updates - Apple Developer ... ( http://bit.ly/17FUEBC )

16:28

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/accused-british-hacker-wanted-for-crimes-in-us-wont-give-up-crypto-keys/

16:28

Accused British hacker, wanted for crimes in US, won’t give up crypto keys | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/17FV9LU )

16:34

re: ramdisk awwwwww yeah!

16:34

asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?

16:35

nubbins`: in principle

16:36

nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot

16:36

on whatever interface

16:36

in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive

16:37

on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata

16:37

nod

16:37

hola trinque

16:38

incidentally

16:38

there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this

16:38

'bitcoinbios'

16:38

rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')

16:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10382 @ 0.00041302 = 4.288 BTC [+] {3}

16:40

s/black/purple/ they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port

16:41

for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'

16:41

which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port

16:41

it also (curiously) costs more

16:41

but is more widely available

16:42

decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.

16:43

also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career

16:44

API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices

16:44

ahahaha no.

16:44

fuck centrally imposed 'practices'

16:45

yes, let's all decentralise all of the things

16:45

fuck off

16:45

i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.

16:45

and it runs.

16:45

you're amazing, asciilifeform

16:45

AMAZING COMPANY!

16:45

but your rhetoric is boring

16:45

now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough

16:45

and your reliance on ancient is overdone

16:45

we get it

16:45

old is good, new is bad

16:46

but not all new is bad.

16:46

get over it.

16:46

new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob

16:46

requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'

16:46

sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob

16:46

Apple is bad, Android is good

16:46

but GWBASIC is best.

16:46

etc. etc.

16:46

gwbasic lol

16:46

the circlejerk gets old after a while

16:47

android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc

16:47

*

asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain

16:49

fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old

16:49

it was directed generally, not at you specifically

16:50

but this is actually a popular hate mail subject

16:50

the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier

16:50

at the cost of X

16:50

fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.

16:51

(short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)

16:55

fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P

16:56

hah

16:57

now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.

16:57

*

fluffypony loves Zimbabwe

16:57

pity about their moneyh

17:04

fluffypony: what about rhodesia?

17:04

my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection

17:05

but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines

17:05

my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia

17:05

the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one

17:05

ah well

17:05

*

fluffypony mehs

17:05

Linux is centrally controlled

17:06

the kernel is, yes

17:06

Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-

17:06

yes

17:06

userland is trying to usurp it

17:06

but how often linus commands 'shit'

17:06

last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really

17:06

he's getting kinda old and tired frankly

17:06

so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)

17:07

my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia (phew what a mouth full)

17:07

fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades

17:07

decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users

17:07

the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later

17:07

or non-Apple-developers

17:07

and the hate circlejerk is boring

17:07

fluffypony: well, no

17:08

hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!

17:08

that's not been done, right?

17:08

l0l

17:08

it's an interesting specimen for folks to study

17:08

it's fucking boring

17:08

fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'

17:09

asciilifeform: precisely, but *everyone in this room already knows*

17:10

it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are

17:23

fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!

17:23

we must all sing in harmony.

17:23

shun the nonbeliever.

17:26

*

decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'

~ 17 minutes ~

17:43

dude ruby what the ever loving fuck

17:44

i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.

17:44

because seriously sudo install libs to system?

17:44

fuck off!

17:45

in other news,

17:45

netbsd on pogo.

17:45

with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.

17:47

http://www.devopsbookmarks.com

17:47

DevOps Bookmarks ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxhcGn )

17:49

i'm still trying to get that to work

17:50

asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?

17:51

remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then

17:55

*

nubbins` prepares to cheer

17:55

apple? best bsd box i ever owned

17:55

*

nubbins` cackles shrilly

17:56

hm

17:56

shrillishly?

17:56

shrillly definitely isn't right

18:01

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food

18:02

til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads

18:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16597 @ 0.0004344 = 7.2097 BTC [+]

18:02

neat, mats

18:05

jurov: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html < related

18:05

" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxjmWw )

18:05

convention for fake food huh

18:07

decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation

18:09

yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos

18:09

actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo

18:09

I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us

18:10

"Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry

18:10

out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."

18:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00043439 = 22.2021 BTC [-] {2}

18:14

asciilifeform, is this the same documentation you've been looking at? -> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html

18:14

NetBSD Documentation: Porting NetBSD to a new ARM SoC ... ( http://bit.ly/17mdhuC )

18:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2367 @ 0.00043127 = 1.0208 BTC [-]

~ 33 minutes ~

18:51

<mircea_popescu> [] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr

18:55

aha ?

18:55

you threatenin me ?!

18:56

in other news, car upskirt http://40.media.tumblr.com/13e662976dbcb63c57b5183056a60fc4/tumblr_n9f219yd4L1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg

18:56

... ( http://bit.ly/17mgYjJ )

18:59

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?

19:00

nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.

19:01

mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun

19:01

hehe

19:01

i need tp for my punhole.

19:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00045029 = 15.2198 BTC [+]

19:03

asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.

19:04

ben_vulpes: now *that*s tears. << i met a chick that quit her previous job, is learning to program in html nao.

19:04

but it's kinda complicated.

19:05

nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?!

19:05

mircea_popescu: with due respect, are you sure asciilifeform can attract any federal-level whore?

19:06

but this is a quantitative discussion and he was making a qualitative challenge

19:06

"what type of thing".

19:06

you too mentioned obama daughters and so explicitly

19:07

inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.

19:07

most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey.

19:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00047354 = 36.6994 BTC [+] {2}

19:09

*

jurov just remembered how it woks among fags. yes, mircea is right

19:14

nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.

19:15

mircea_popescu: good for her?

19:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00047857 = 4.4028 BTC [+]

19:15

kinda curious about the complexity

19:15

you know, for a cult this chan is one of the most diverse places in the world.

19:15

ben_vulpes direct quote. "but it's kinda complex"

19:16

i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.

19:16

hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time

19:16

html, css and js

19:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19632 @ 0.00045846 = 9.0005 BTC [-] {2}

19:16

js is sort-of imperative i guess.

19:17

kinda like c pigdin neh ?

19:17

but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.

19:18

http://i.imgur.com/PeOkDNJ.jpg

19:18

... ( http://bit.ly/17mj2Z7 )

19:18

not bad but why teh panties!

19:19

http://33.media.tumblr.com/a95259be42394afc640ab15ac6586113/tumblr_n7es4w3GnH1sgp77yo1_400.gif

19:19

... ( http://bit.ly/17mj96T )

19:20

fish move

19:21

*

mats adds cattle prod to purchase list

19:21

stop objectifying women.

19:22

it's a cuntprod.

19:22

cunts are objects too

19:23

that's hawt

19:23

i can't stop watching this gif

19:23

as a boy i found a guide for modifying a disposable camera into a single-use taser

19:23

asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.

19:23

i used it on my buddy and he shit himself. one of my fonder memories of childhood.

19:24

mats the flash ?

19:24

ever since, i've wanted to buy a taser, but modern things have tags now

19:24

yeah

19:24

you can basically build a taser out of a battery and a capacitor

19:24

whioch means, "Any old tv set"

19:25

conveniently packaged in disposable cameras!

19:25

i've never given any thought to building one

19:25

mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"

19:26

although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights

19:26

lol shock gloves!

19:26

*

mats adds it to the list

19:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44768 @ 0.00045846 = 20.5243 BTC [-]

19:26

http://i.imgur.com/YHMjGGf.jpg

19:26

... ( http://bit.ly/1B2jRnq )

19:27

mats: http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-boondocks/the-black-power-fist/

19:27

ya i know

19:27

i'm a fan

19:28

mats: mah nigga

19:28

i'm yellow on the outside and black on the inside

19:28

Hahaha

19:28

chocolate twinkie?

19:29

"tricare, formerly known as chump-us"

19:29

i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor

19:29

mats you mean yellow as in azn ?

19:29

yes. surprise!

19:29

do you agree with that fat fag's evaluation that no women ever date azns ?

19:30

uh

19:30

no

19:30

certainly, asians are undersexualized in e.g. US media, but i haven't had problems picking up white women

19:31

myeah. BUT HE HAD STATISTICS

19:32

what's with the US and the pursuit of bwg (basic white girl)?

19:32

thestringpuller if you look at the demos, it's the most common item on menu.

19:32

mircea_popescu: over there with all the brazillian hotties.

19:32

like salmon at the seafood restaurant

19:32

most highly sexual girls I've met spoke portuguese as a first language

19:33

i prefer 'bwg' over 'abg' (asian baby girl)

19:33

i think anyone under 55 or so does.

19:34

i don't think*

19:34

!ud ABG

19:34

or wait. no, it was right the first time

19:35

;;ud ABG

19:35

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG | An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...

19:35

aren't ABG's over sexualized?

19:36

gangster ?!

19:36

somebody was having a tough time in class.

19:38

thestringpuller: hows that?

19:38

maybe we're exposed to different media, but i don't see it

19:38

ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros

19:39

lots of make up, skimpy clothes

19:39

"rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")

19:41

aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?

19:41

i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media

19:42

mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"

19:42

i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'

19:43

i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.

19:45

i guess the media portrayal of the sorority bwg places a false imagination

19:45

where's this depicted in media ?

19:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Breakers << stuff like this

19:48

but this is specific softcore/exploitation. in comes in all color schemes neh ?

19:48

i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos and derivative material.

19:49

grossed 30mn over a 5mn budget. not exactly a killer anyway.

19:50

"I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish

19:50

why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."

19:50

ha! this Lauri Love dude got it right.

19:51

"As a matter of policy, we generally do not comment on extradition-related matters."

19:51

herp. as if fucking policy matters.

19:52

"as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.

19:52

because POLICY. it's a reason now.

19:52

mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum

19:52

"You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.

19:52

this, for the record, is exactly correct.

19:53

any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.

19:53

you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.

19:56

fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."

19:58

but sure, it'd be great if it worked.

19:59

wow lol, that log bit got pretty intense huh.

20:00

asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. << hey, you made your bed for yourself here :D lie in it! he can't get out because he can't get out, what more do you want ? :D

20:02

asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit' << an argument of an entirely different consistency hehehe

20:02

man i miss out on the best logs.

20:03

http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.

20:03

... ( http://bit.ly/1D400BP )

20:03

l0l!

20:03

^ that looks industrial

20:04

http://41.media.tumblr.com/3061dc1244af510c2168542c45f1943c/tumblr_ngijxgsWZ51tk0hzgo1_500.jpg urinal to go with industrial.

20:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1D40gRv )

20:04

decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly << yeah we should have a linus retierment betting pool

20:04

most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that

20:04

at least jail's free (for now)

20:05

only if you go there lawfully. otherwise you have to pay.

20:05

disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!

20:06

battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it

20:06

no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy

20:07

so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...

20:07

no chickens.

20:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132350 @ 0.0004196 = 55.5341 BTC [-]

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!b 7

20:08

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30SPFQX.txt )

20:13

decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar

20:13

bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.

20:13

and yes i typed all that in the box!

20:13

mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << hood nigga's dream

20:14

mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.

20:14

i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.

20:14

I wish I was one of those black guys :(

20:14

that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art

20:14

asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here

20:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0004196 = 3.7135 BTC [-]

20:14

when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'

20:15

who and where is still doing this, i cannot say

20:15

how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks

20:15

thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.

20:15

nope.

20:16

do tell.

20:16

mircea_popescu: why? << Maybe subconciously I fetishize white girls? I honestly don't know.

20:17

not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.

20:17

thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.

20:17

by and large none of it works

20:17

roi - terrible

20:17

that's the 'big secret', really

20:17

asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"

20:18

it's approximately how software 'engineering' is done now

20:18

check back on it in a decade, they'll look rather similar

20:18

to nobody's credit.

20:18

these two 'engineerings'

20:18

at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.

20:18

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=41 << obligatory

20:18

Loper OS » The Future of Programming: Ignorance and Superstition? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D43ZhM )

20:18

thestringpuller http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0bf3a6a3f32fa7cbfc6bbf1c5e7c652/tumblr_nihqzq4vJ41t33m1bo1_500.jpg prepping of same, jus fer ya.

20:18

... ( http://bit.ly/1D440lX )

20:19

any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg

20:19

orly ?

20:19

aha

20:19

why is it possible to borrow $maxint in mr. chump's name without his pgp key

20:19

- usg.

20:19

you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point

20:19

the way you're going.

20:20

l0l

20:20

how is the above picture mistaken

20:20

?

20:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0003831 = 13.3702 BTC [-] {3}

20:20

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009868 << see also

20:20

Logged on 06-02-2015 03:02:19; *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name

20:20

it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"

20:21

there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...

20:21

is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?

20:21

depends where.

20:21

anywhere it matters

20:21

im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?

20:22

im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.

20:22

etc.

20:22

but none of this is so much as a mild annoyance in Castle Mircea_popescustein proper

20:23

sooo ?

20:23

http://38.media.tumblr.com/09a98729739cc9ed4b2a28e9988ba91f/tumblr_nepprjHYH01u2qk73o1_400.gif << helping thestringpuller work productively, one gif at a time.

20:23

... ( http://bit.ly/1B1N3JN )

20:24

sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today

20:24

but doesn't

20:24

how do you know this /

20:24

?

20:24

could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?

20:25

"ow but your majesty, shit's heavy"

20:25

mircea_popescu suggests that such an order would not be obeyed? probably true

20:25

i merely am pointing out that your jumps go over lenghty stretches of weak bridging

20:25

interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out

20:26

what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.

20:26

well yes

20:26

das war ein befehl!

20:26

but long prior

20:26

wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc

↖

20:26

l0l

20:27

"U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.

20:27

^ anyone -not- recognize source ?

20:27

We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min

20:30

thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.

20:30

cro cutegnon.

20:35

"There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting inﬁnitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."

20:35

^ true at time of writing

20:35

this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.

20:35

http://qntra.net/2015/02/micon-details-the-operational-security-concerns-of-seals-with-clubs/

20:35

Micon Details The Operational Security Concerns Of Seals With Clubs | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Orft )

20:35

and always was there.

20:36

mircea_popescu: i do recall this, now that you mentioned it

20:38

cazalla fwiw, exactly nothing in ro press re voxility srl.

20:38

http://www.listafirme.ro/voxility-srl-16633718/ reg if you care.

20:38

SC VOXILITY SRL din Sectorul 2 Bdul. Dimitrie Pompei 9-9a, CUI 16633718 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ONmo )

20:39

seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch

20:39

prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway

20:45

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?

20:45

The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1PITO )

20:45

The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!" That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say. Denver, really?? Really? Why? Because it starts with D? I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci

20:45

sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser. Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.

20:52

*

asciilifeform realized that he built the fscking netbsd -installer- into the eeprom

20:52

*

asciilifeform proceeded to stuff in a drive and... fire it

20:58

(why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)

20:59

having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.

21:04

*

asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life

21:04

sure. plenty of 'em.

21:05

also, http://36.media.tumblr.com/bfa63b6cf8c53c33b9e16d08daf87fc6/tumblr_n13pnwgaX41rdc5oto8_1280.jpg

21:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1z7LNit )

21:05

trinque

I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book

21:05

trinque

certainly not the second

21:06

butugychag.

21:14

cazalla: http://pastebin.com/sQzqvV4F

21:14

(several um's, uh's, you knows, removed) Hello the internet. Bryan Micon her - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1SxnV )

21:14

mike_c, did you transcribe that?

21:16

asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?

21:16

decimation: at the moment, yes

21:17

ah, still it's neat that you got it working

21:17

decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work

21:17

for what it's worth

21:17

yeah you mentioned

21:18

*

decimation find this to be a good reason to buy a pogo and play along

21:18

how can i repeat this? i'm stuck on your last tip about something in a TOOLS directory

21:19

danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree

21:19

that results in a netbsd.ub which can be used straight

21:20

basically, used like this,

21:20

flash_erase /dev/mtd4 0 0

21:20

nandwrite -p /dev/mtd4 netbsd.ub

21:20

fw_setenv boot_bsd 'nand read.e 0x800000 0x1000000 0xc00000; bootm 0x800000'

21:20

then you halt uboot on the next powerup and 'run boot_bsd'

21:20

(for manual testing, can make this default behaviour if want)

21:21

the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size

21:21

(i just eyeballed it)

21:21

is halting uboot something i'd need the serial thing for?

21:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.0004097 = 13.2948 BTC [+]

21:22

ideally

21:22

unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing

21:22

*

asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack

21:23

asciilifeform: it would go nicely with an old-timey ibm serial terminal :)

21:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12687 @ 0.0004097 = 5.1979 BTC [+]

21:24

http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piece_of_shit.tar.gz

21:25

^^^^^^

21:25

i will not sign this. if it annihilates your home planet, i am not responsible.

21:25

use as described above. will boot into a netbsd installer.

21:25

can find binary sets for arm at http://ftp.twaren.net/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets or your local sets build

21:25

Index of /NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1TCfk )

21:26

(throw it up on ftp on your own box)

21:26

the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.

21:27

and possibly in case someone wishes to install on larger disk and boot from it, for purposes of dev work.

21:27

ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^

21:28

cazalla: yeah. i hate watching videos. figured i'd spare others the pain.

21:28

i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo

21:28

for whatever that's worth.

21:28

will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out

21:29

mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes

21:29

i possibly ought to discuss the constants

21:29

the 0x1000000 is the offset of the default mtd4 eeprom partition

21:29

if you monkeyed with your pogo's mtd mappings, you will have to recalculate

21:30

(the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)

21:31

incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)

21:33

0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in

21:33

don't change.

21:33

that's really all.

21:36

'NetBSD: running on a dead squirrel in a cardboard box since '03'

21:36

(srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)

21:37

1ad4391c46ab3520e9aaf8dce2d48d4788fd3752e93c70fabf0dc66f770628d835e764855ab933905a4152524b100358c82b27ca0471a77af02836740e9c41be piece_of_shit.tar.gz

21:37

(sha512)

21:40

can i ssh into this thing?

21:40

nope

21:40

bare bones.

21:41

once you actually install netbsd with it on something else - sure

21:41

posted here mainly as proof of concept.

21:42

and everybody who is seriously dealing with this stuff ought to have at least one 'pogo' with serial jack.

21:43

http://youtu.be/xN-DNcqYUcY

21:43

primus shake hands with beef - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcckjg )

21:43

what would you advise that i purchase?

21:44

danielpbarron: a CP2102 or equivalent

21:44

and, if you don't own one: soldering iron...

21:45

http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial/cp2102.jpg

21:45

cp2102.jpg on Hardware/CP210xTutorial – Attachment – OsmocomBB ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vip6 )

21:45

^ it

21:46

ubiquitous. should cost no more than a few bux

21:46

plug into linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx

21:46

and ttl logic rx and tx on the other end of the hose.

21:46

set to 115200 baud.

21:47

(theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)

21:47

*

asciilifeform uses 'gnu screen'

21:47

http://www.amazon.com/KEDSUM%C2%AE-CP2102-Module-Download-Converter/dp/B009T2ZR6W/ will this do?

21:47

Amazon.com: KEDSUM® CP2102 Module STC Download Cable USB 2.0 to TTL 6PIN Serial Converter For STC: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vwws )

21:48

aha

21:48

even appears to come with wires

21:48

there was a cheaper one, but this one has more reviews

21:48

behead'em and solder as pictured

21:48

in earlier thread

21:48

you need three leads, tx, rx, ground

21:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31425 @ 0.00041688 = 13.1005 BTC [+]

21:51

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GXEF8A/ << this one might not need soldering?

21:51

Amazon.com: NooElec PL2303 USB to Serial (TTL) Module/Adapter with Female and Male Wiring Harnesses & Test Jumper. Compatible with Windows 98 through Windows 7; Mac OS 8 through OS X, Linux and Android!: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcekbo )

21:51

danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering

21:51

because there is no connector inside the 'pogo'.

21:51

only bare pads.

21:52

they omitted it to save a penny.

21:52

(not a wholly illogical thing to do, but annoying to us junkyard dogs)

21:52

in unrelated nyooz,

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''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further

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litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t

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radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'

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( http://cryptome.org/2015/02/brennan-grandiosity-v-abilt.pdf )

21:54

so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'

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we have an answer.

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danielpbarron: you will end up with something roughly like http://i.imgur.com/d2ivsPk.jpg?1

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... ( http://bit.ly/1FcfzYf )

21:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00038107 = 14.595 BTC [-]

21:57

ordering a few of these things now; i needed to get some other stuff anyway / added to order

22:01

!up adam_obrien

22:02

Thanks danielpbarron

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is this you? https://twitter.com/adamobie

22:02

Adam O'Brien (@Adamobie) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcgKXz )

22:02

Yes that is me

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and nice job already getting in the WoT before joining :D

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or rather, registering with assbot / you're not in the WoT yet

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asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake

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Thats right. A friend of mine will up me later.

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I am registered with assbot and gribble

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who's your friend?

22:04

decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg

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Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here

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oh, i bet it's pete

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https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski

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Pete Dushenski (@pete_dushenski) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FchwUk )

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It sure is :)

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Small world

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ding ding! :D

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Haha ding ding indeed! I have to run.

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nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power

↖

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Glad everything is set up and verified! I had a whale of a time doing so

22:07

wait. adam_obrien ?

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yes?

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are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D

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Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me

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aite

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!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.adam_obrien.1:16a107bffd732882d64be75907707e8fe8803d1ac2313935c1131479ca3b5744

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Successfully added a rating of 1 for adam_obrien with note: Comes prepared.

22:08

mike_c whai u no gpg ?

22:08

Thanks, again Daniel.

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gpg what?

22:09

the pastebin

22:09

google indexes that shit.

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i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..

22:10

yeah, my mistake.

22:10

no biggie. just needs repeating till ppl get in habit

22:12

adam_obrien: do you work for those bitcoin atm folks?

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danielpbarron: this one might not need soldering? << really, it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste, whatever.

22:13

I own bitcoin solutions (www.btcsolutions.ca) we operate some Bitcoin ATMs as well as a margin trading platform

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i can get it soldered, i just thought that unit might have been a good fit for people without access to one

22:13

didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?

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Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)

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http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/

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Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1XOvJ )

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mebbe not.

22:14

do you have a relationship with those cavirtex guys?

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Ah - Quebec is on it's own. They operate by their own rules for some strange reason

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We are fully compliant with Fintrac (Canada's Fincen) and are operating under MSB license rules

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I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options

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I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca

22:16

unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'

22:18

interesting it looks like they use this exchange https://www.quadrigacx.com/

22:18

Quadriga Coin Exchange | Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcl1u5 )

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asciilifeform, http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << this is correct? or did you say it needed fixing?

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JTAG on PogoPlug. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FclJHD )

~ 15 minutes ~

22:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62879 @ 0.00038107 = 23.9613 BTC [-]

22:37

mod6

<+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.

22:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74345 @ 0.00037325 = 27.7493 BTC [-] {4}

22:41

btcalpha, never more than six months late. http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/

22:41

S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcq4ul )

22:42

i'm a fan, but that stock price! idk.

22:43

funny what a little demand will do to the price of something

22:43

so write something!

22:43

what, write another article saying what the price should be? I already did that.

22:43

write an article for qntra

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to acquire shares

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oh

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yeah, i have.

22:44

but i was more thinking i should borrow shares from a founder and short it.

22:44

oh, hah

22:44

maybe a bitbet would be interesting.

22:46

if you can return my shares to me I'd loan some :P

22:46

I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.

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:P

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mike_c: you realize there aren't enough shares to push down the bids right now?

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"This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"

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yeah, i know

22:53

a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?

22:58

ya

23:01

!up kyuupichan

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mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo

23:03

;;calc 158000 / 6

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26333.3333333

23:03

^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?

23:03

however, betting against qntra being worth w/e, 5 btc ? seems insanity.

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plus whatever they get for being authors

23:03

mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.

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ah, yeah. i'm not saying qntra is currently worth more than 45 btc.

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*isn't

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anyway jurov may be able to write you a contract, seeing how he probably has a large chunk

23:05

!t m s.qntr

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[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)

23:05

;;calc 0.00025036 * 158788

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39.75416368

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40ish, like 8k ?

23:06

damn. where did all these bids come from?

23:06

pretty good support huh

23:06

i'm saying the stock price is too high, not the market cap.

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it gets weird with qntra.

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mike_c you can't be sayin that.

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it's a nonsense statement, "mkt cap is fine, stock price too high"

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moreover, ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250

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;;calc 0.00025036 * 250

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0.06259

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too high as compared to what

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^- wow so this is average price of qntra article?

23:08

;;calc 0.06259 * 245

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15.33455

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notbad.jpg

23:08

too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.

23:08

you could say the same for changetip :P

23:09

heh, let him say it @fb lol

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anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.

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mike_c: do you not see stock price as measurement of "value of eyeballs watching"

23:11

i see the stock price right now as one of two things.

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nevermind, i don't even want to get into it.

23:11

i dun think 8k buys one anything like a qntra, tbh.

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or a qntra.

23:12

obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.

23:12

well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia

23:12

all you can buy is a few shares. at an inflated price.

23:13

geezus, my fucking blood pressure today.

23:13

lol wait, this is anger inducing /

23:13

dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.

23:13

who knows. lots of straws on the camel back today.

23:13

mircea_popescu is right on that ball park figure

23:13

i thought it seemed high too, but i'm not in a rush to sell my 204 shares, so...

23:14

in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.

23:14

i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.

23:14

this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.

23:14

obviously, management doesn't HAVE TO sell.

23:15

yeah, but, buyer would have to hire bingo & cazalla to keep running it

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and pay writers

23:15

conceivably they could run it as it runs now, which brings us to the point :

23:15

it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical

23:16

there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it

23:16

ie, control and ownership are really separate concerns.

23:16

mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...

23:17

this is the whole point, right? people tried to make news sites and they sucked.

23:17

right.

23:17

kinda interesting discussion of value creation tbh.

23:17

it's not like the domain is worth anything. so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.

23:17

;;isitdown qntra.net

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qntra.net is down

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hehe

23:18

sell!

23:18

but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value

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lol!

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and its down! haha

23:18

it's had good uptime recently. despite being attacked.

23:18

which is odd given it is a baby.

23:18

"squelch the truth"

23:18

!up adam_obrien

23:18

eh, something is worth exactly what its mutually agreed purchase price is

23:18

all else is speculation

23:19

mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share. For many companies this is a simple calculation. not so for qntra.

23:20

because dilution. for the next year, massive dilution.

23:20

mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company? ben graham?

23:20

decimation: like so. http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/

23:21

well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity

23:21

it doesn't approach infinity

23:22

dilution drops off as a matter of %

23:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00036704 = 18.0217 BTC [-]

23:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00036925 = 10.6529 BTC [+]

23:27

mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and

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MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee (and yes one day also pigs may fly)

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anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record. g'nite all!

23:30

and with cardano, they can do it safely from any internet cafe

23:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00035807 = 5.3557 BTC [-]

23:31

danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong

23:31

these are different things?

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yes!

23:31

entirely different

23:32

i don't need jtag though, right?

23:32

jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.

23:32

it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it

23:33

you want the serial.

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i should have something tuesday

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mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors

23:34

I bought my ttl-level serial/usb converter on ebay

23:34

;;LATER TELL mike_c but logically a share can not be differently worth from mktcap/sharecount.

23:34

The operation succeeded.

23:34

this is like telling me that a dollar's not worth 1/100 of a hundred dollars.

23:34

phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.

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(and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)

23:35

and for that matter... a) in fact qntra is set to have MUCH LESS dilution than absolutely ANY start-up.

23:35

the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs

23:35

the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"

23:35

mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all

23:36

this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.

23:36

pity he left.

23:36

re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future

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thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know

23:37

mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'

23:37

asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now

23:38

mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console

23:38

glue omg!

23:38

you have never used glue ?

23:38

have

23:38

to my grief.

23:38

so then stop bitching lol

23:38

good way to make a resistor randomly between 100k and 1Mohm

23:39

asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?

23:39

for this application! not for treating his blepharospasm

23:39

mircea_popescu: you actually used conductive flue and didn't regret ? where ?

23:39

*glue

23:39

in one off sort of applications like this.

23:39

decimation: they were on my unit

23:40

anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...

23:41

yeah soldering really isn't that hard, and this is good practice

23:41

for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os

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and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable

23:41

speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?

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nope

23:42

*

danielpbarron hasn't bricked on yet, thankfully

23:42

(don't have any here, either)

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one*

23:42

"/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...

23:42

how much is 216 minutes cost ?

23:42

apparently 1 reddit gold...

23:42

reddit is like reverse qntra

23:43

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/02/apple-launches-repair-program-for-longstanding-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-problems/ << apparently it was in response to a lawsuit

23:43

Apple launches repair program for longstanding 2011 MacBook Pro GPU problems | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKShD )

23:43

"in soviet reddit, you pay them to write!"

23:43

the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks

23:58

decimation: notice that this has been ongoing since 2007

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on *all* machines featuring nvidia gpu

23:58

i had half a dozen die in precisely this way on my watch.

23:58

usually a month or two after warranty expiration.

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