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00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00063894 = 9.7438 BTC [-]
00:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.14 = 3.5 BTC [+] {2}
00:05 BingoBoingo !up MacroHard
00:05 MacroHard ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ
00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00064145 = 7.1522 BTC [+]
00:08 asciilifeform undata: famous experiment.
00:09 asciilifeform brings to mind whitehead's:
00:09 asciilifeform 'It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited
00:09 asciilifeform in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.'
00:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: idle rich << point was, there are still plenty of arbitrarily rich and arbitrarily idle folks. they simply happen to be retarded. afaik - 100% of them, rather than 99 or whatever the historic norm was.
00:12 asciilifeform or not 100, but the epsilon remnant are 'idle' in the economic sense but fighting guerilla war of one kind or another and can't really afford cultural largesse
00:12 thestringpuller Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"
00:12 thestringpuller he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."
00:13 thestringpuller Like what the actual fuck?
00:13 asciilifeform trololol
00:13 thestringpuller You can't make this shit up.
00:13 thestringpuller reddit's cyrptocurrency "engineer"
00:13 thestringpuller if you can even call that engineering
00:13 thestringpuller from: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ox7vi/bitcoin_technology_will_ultimately_become/
00:13 undata underabundance of shame these days
00:13 undata where is the embarassment
00:14 thestringpuller d00d and people are eating it up!!!!
00:14 thestringpuller "I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."
00:14 asciilifeform it is a profound tragedy that these 'people' ever saw a computer.
00:15 asciilifeform should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork.
00:15 undata "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.
00:16 asciilifeform !s deskilling
00:16 assbot 2 results for 'deskilling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deskilling
00:16 thestringpuller asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....
00:16 asciilifeform point is, they should be breaking their backs for their daily bread.
00:16 asciilifeform literally.
00:16 undata I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.
00:16 asciilifeform escapees - escape.
00:17 asciilifeform even from russian prison. even from modern usa.
00:17 thestringpuller well at least you can bribe the guards in a russian prison
00:17 thestringpuller they seem more "reasonable"
00:18 asciilifeform newton did not have to bribe any guards to escape from agriculture.
00:18 asciilifeform but today he would probably be inextricably imprisoned in reddit or, worse, anglo academe.
00:18 thestringpuller imprisoned in reddit how?
00:18 thestringpuller you make it sound like Yishan Wong would kidnap him.
00:19 asciilifeform psychological prison.
00:19 asciilifeform the nearly escape-proof kind.
00:19 undata don't know... my mother was single raising me for part of my early childhood
00:19 undata sounds like a person headed for serfdom under this scenario
00:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20257 @ 0.00064145 = 12.9939 BTC [+]
00:20 thestringpuller well someone who is going to exclaim nonsense about JS being useful to "understand code" should be stuffed in the bowels of some buildings as a serf
00:20 undata being poor is enough
00:21 asciilifeform other thing is, these people only exist as merely one symptom of a long series of catastrophes
00:22 asciilifeform what is to be done with them is a question not for you and i, but, in all likelihood, for the chinese ministry of biodiesel
00:22 thestringpuller this is why chinese people send their children to america
00:22 thestringpuller "you won't make it in china, you too dumb, we send you to american high school come back as adult, bye bye"
00:22 asciilifeform why did british nobles send their children to india?
00:23 thestringpuller for meritwashing I presume?
00:24 asciilifeform cheap fellatio, practice at management, breathing room
00:24 asciilifeform well-documented.
00:24 thestringpuller interesting.
00:25 thestringpuller American Schools are easier to pass through for children of stricter education systems.
00:25 asciilifeform (see also orwell's essay re: how the telegraph was the ultimate doom of british empire)
00:25 thestringpuller The ones that brand you a fuck-up if you don't pass "the entrance exam" of which you only have on opportunity to pass.
00:25 undata this serfdom thing doesn't sound any better than what the man behind the curtain has produced in the garden-variety american derp
00:26 asciilifeform difference is that the agricultural serf is not a burden upon his betters.
00:26 undata ah, that's the aim
00:26 asciilifeform i will add that agricultural slavery is an optimistic scenario for the folks in question.
00:26 thestringpuller Also American Derp is not hardworking, or truly values hardwork. The serf likely does (imo at least).
00:27 thestringpuller They glorify antics from sitcoms such as "Workaholics" finding ways to be lazy but still get by.
00:27 asciilifeform the more realistic fate is butugychag.
00:27 thestringpuller What is that term, "Manboy/Manchild"?
00:27 asciilifeform !s butugychag
00:27 assbot 8 results for 'butugychag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butugychag
00:27 undata thestringpuller: it's the experience of starting with nothing and struggling ahead that makes an adult
00:27 asciilifeform soviet prison camp where uranium was mined.
00:27 undata so, poverty, but not serfdom
00:27 asciilifeform typical life expectancy: 3 mo.
00:28 thestringpuller undata: but this isn't the only factor. unimpoverished children can still amount to hardworking individuals, just with different contexts.
00:28 thestringpuller sure you don't sling crack to get lunch money, but you hustle in other scenarios
00:29 undata thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them
00:29 thestringpuller i.e. prince and the pauper?
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00064145 = 14.9137 BTC [+]
00:29 thestringpuller or rather undercover billionaire?
00:30 thestringpuller asciilifeform: wow bleak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butugichag#In_literature
00:30 thestringpuller brutal: "Witnesses of the camp state that the camp took the life of some 380,000 people in the 10 years of its existence. Most notable about the camp is the fact that uranium mining was conducted here manually without any protective gear whatsoever. The average miner's life span lasted only months here"
00:31 asciilifeform this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks.
00:31 undata thestringpuller: the pattern in my family (at least for the first male kid) has been to impress upon them the value and necessity of hard work, and then to drop them into the world to fend for themselves at the appropriate time
00:31 asciilifeform not for the crime of being dull, but for militant stupidity and the active poisoning of all that was ever good and bright.
00:32 thestringpuller ^- exactly!
00:33 thestringpuller some derps actively take away from the well being of others
00:33 thestringpuller almost like dropping the IQ of their peers by merely existing
00:33 asciilifeform extermination is far too kind a fate for them.
00:33 asciilifeform !s zoolag
00:33 assbot 8 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
00:33 undata I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.
00:34 asciilifeform nothing 'in history' ever really happens 'effectively'
00:34 asciilifeform or with sharp instruments.
00:34 ben_vulpes what is there to explain about turbulence?!
00:34 thestringpuller XD
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00:35 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? << the early modern period had ample supply of this particular type. literally, idle.
00:35 ben_vulpes at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!
00:35 ben_vulpes what is so damn hard to grasp about this
00:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621
00:36 assbot Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
00:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in that spirit, e.g., a physicist -never- gets to utter the phrase 'you need a universe to model this'
00:37 asciilifeform when he utters it, we are to understand that he is ready for the biodiesel retirement pot
00:37 mircea_popescu <thestringpuller> You can't make this shit up. << word.
00:37 mircea_popescu but at least the derp dept moved from "blockchain technology" to "bitcoin technology".
00:37 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: but you do, dammit
00:38 ben_vulpes and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!
00:38 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it doesn't even matter if you do. if you're bothering to think about the subject, your job is to assume that the job is doable and try - forever
00:38 * mircea_popescu waves at all the idiots reading here, imagining that http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/ was never written, and one can just steal the octopus' suckers to put onhis own fingers.
00:38 assbot Romanul si marea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1seSNh9 )
00:39 mircea_popescu undata> "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. << "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" being the reason.
00:39 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.
00:39 * undata protests at where that quote was clipped!
00:39 undata a quote of a quote I swear
00:39 ben_vulpes "build me a space elevator from materials available today."
00:39 mircea_popescu lol
00:40 mircea_popescu im pretty sure its quoteness carries.
00:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: understand correctly. actual 'impossibility proofs' - are valuable. (consider laws of thermodynamics; or, more fundamentally, mathematical concepts - e.g., irrationality of sqrt(2))
00:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but anything which merely appears impossibly difficult, rather than provable waste of time, is a matter for folks who think it worth trying
00:41 ben_vulpes those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
00:41 asciilifeform or, alternatively, attempt above proof
00:41 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" << this is good critera for sending derps off to asciilifeform derper's retirement camp.
00:41 ben_vulpes i am but a mere engineer.
00:42 ben_vulpes and a poor one at that.
00:42 mircea_popescu i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...
00:42 mircea_popescu can't they just stick to reddit, wikipedia et all ?
00:42 asciilifeform retirement pot.
00:43 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D
00:43 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: the cancer must be excised and disposed. Although it may be in remission...
00:43 asciilifeform !s lisp brick
00:43 assbot 1 results for 'lisp brick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+brick
00:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.
00:44 mircea_popescu beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.
00:46 ben_vulpes he loves!
00:46 ben_vulpes my world is shaken
00:46 mircea_popescu ...
00:46 mircea_popescu srsly ?! this is somehow a surprise !?
00:46 ben_vulpes you're supposed to be a moster.
00:47 ben_vulpes an unfeeling, joy-crushing monster.
00:47 mircea_popescu oh really ?
00:47 thestringpuller MP doesn't like it when people have fun.
00:47 thestringpuller He is a grumpy old man!
00:47 ben_vulpes write everything in php!
00:47 asciilifeform the concept of joyous, exuberant monster being too terrifying for the retirement pot candidates, naturally
00:47 mircea_popescu sucks to be me i guess.
00:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12251 @ 0.00066399 = 8.1345 BTC [+] {2}
00:48 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
00:48 asciilifeform mr mold's fnargl.
00:48 undata ho ho ho
00:48 asciilifeform and his thousand-year fnarg.
00:48 asciilifeform ;;google thousand year fnarg
00:48 gribble Unruled: 06/01/2008 - 07/01/2008: <http://unruled.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html>; Unqualified Reservations: May 2007: <http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html>; Doctor Who (series 5) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_5)>
00:49 mircea_popescu this just took a turn for the weird - erryone discussing me in terms im unfamiliar with
00:49 mircea_popescu STAHP
00:49 ben_vulpes herr mircea cannot handle
00:49 ben_vulpes bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand
00:50 thestringpuller troll level: professional
00:51 mircea_popescu + i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.
00:51 mircea_popescu silence fell upon that land.
00:51 * asciilifeform falls down with l0l
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00:51 BingoBoingo !b 4
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01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12499 @ 0.00068937 = 8.6164 BTC [+]
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01:50 fluffypony ben_vulpes: monetas?
01:53 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Your monero thing
01:53 fluffypony oh, yes
01:53 mats ;;ticker
01:53 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Expln in deets pls.
01:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 357.59, Best ask: 357.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 357.6, 24 hour volume: 13375.89528924, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 363.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
01:54 fluffypony sure, it's a cryptocurrency, not based on the Bitcoin source, no GUI at present
01:54 fluffypony transactions are cryptographically untraceable and unlinkable
01:55 fluffypony "mixing" is done on inputs for a tx only, based on denominations of ^10, and inputs are mixed with previously unspent inputs
01:55 fluffypony via ring signatures (group signatures)
01:55 fluffypony at the moment no minimum mixin level is enforced, so ostensibly an output in the utxoset can actually be spent at some point with a mixin of 0, and thus is *actually* spent
01:55 BingoBoingo Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.
01:56 fluffypony it depends on what your interest is
01:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4460 @ 0.0012 = 5.352 BTC {2}
01:56 fluffypony if you're interested in the cryptography of it
01:56 fluffypony or the software architecture we're building out
01:56 fluffypony or whatever
01:56 BingoBoingo What's tortilla's interest?
01:57 fluffypony he's one of my fellow core team members
01:57 fluffypony so his interest is intrinsic and complete :)
01:58 BingoBoingo Oh that's right, you saw the castle
01:59 fluffypony that was before Risto had any interest in Monero
01:59 BingoBoingo I know
01:59 BingoBoingo I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips
01:59 fluffypony lol
02:02 BingoBoingo I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications
02:02 fluffypony well anyway, the cryptography interests me most of all, and there's some cool stuff we're doing
02:02 fluffypony and some nice research on that side of things: https://lab.monero.cc
02:02 assbot Monero Research Lab - Protecting Your Privacy's Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfK5Si )
02:03 mircea_popescu fluffypony so can one buy it ?
02:03 fluffypony on that note, breakfast time, bbiab
02:03 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes
02:03 fluffypony poloniex has the highest volume
02:03 mircea_popescu what % of total monetarymass does 1 btc buy one ?
02:04 fluffypony of the current number of coins?
02:04 fluffypony oh you said total
02:04 fluffypony we have infinite tail emission, the block reward value of which hasn't been set as yet
02:04 fluffypony so there isn't a total
02:04 mircea_popescu ah
02:05 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/9p0U3vVe << that poloniex thing looks trustworthy as all fuck o.O
02:05 assbot AnnouncementsSTR deposits and withdrawals are down and will resume when maintena - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfKww2 )
02:05 mircea_popescu did they just lose their wallets 3x or something ?
02:05 BingoBoingo Poloniex I always assumed was polonium
02:06 mircea_popescu fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?
02:07 fluffypony well the current price is 0.00109 to the BTC, and there are just over 5 mil coins at the moment
02:08 fluffypony from a business PoV it's unlikely to be a good investment unless you're happy to hold it for several years
02:08 mircea_popescu yeah but it can get diluted infinitely.
02:08 mircea_popescu well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return
02:08 mircea_popescu it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing
02:08 fluffypony yup it's designed to be slightly inflationary not deflationary
02:08 BingoBoingo No point in it unless there's a cap
02:09 fluffypony so any growth comes from utility and not from a deflationary nature
02:09 mircea_popescu but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.
02:09 mircea_popescu and why would anyone else then ?
02:09 fluffypony same reason people build on top of i2p or Tor
02:11 mircea_popescu which we don't...
02:11 fluffypony anyway breakfast for real noa, bbiab :)
02:12 BingoBoingo If you are going to darknet what's wrong with old style turtle routing?
02:15 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Maybe It's the robitussin, but without a hard cap on supply how do we break the "new" world
02:19 mircea_popescu fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
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02:19 mircea_popescu nevertheless, it gotta somehow make business sense. and the problem is, if it doesn't make it for me it doesn't make it in general, because what exact particular assumptions got baked in ? nothing much. if there isn't a good answer to "so what's my btc buy me" other than handwave, there's probably no better answer to "what's your time buy you" other than, whatever, "playing a mmorpg".
02:19 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.
02:22 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for
02:22 mircea_popescu the years I spend in Toronto."
02:23 mircea_popescu canadian govt srsly has to do some liquidity injections o.O
02:26 BingoBoingo I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there
02:27 adlai mircea_popescu: do you seriously think that selling "a few coins" into an altcoin will buy you more than a handwave?
02:28 mircea_popescu i dun think i understand what you're asking here.
02:28 adlai treating it as a whalerpg where you take turns playing bull and bear is another story
02:29 adlai i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any
02:29 mircea_popescu well, if your view is correct then all altcoins are essentialy the logo.
02:29 mircea_popescu i don't think he'd agree.
02:30 adlai for a coin to offer more than just a speculation game, it needs to have some chance of outperforming btc
02:31 mircea_popescu right.
02:31 adlai for example, this monero thing... let's say the tech is remarkably successful, and as this becomes evident, the value grows TENFOLD
02:31 adlai so we now have a 10mil market cap
02:32 adlai and the amazing tech gets copied by btc
02:32 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
02:33 adlai and then the guys who bagheld xmr through the great bear market of 2014 all take a group dump on the people who bought non-scarce goods
02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @ 0.00068972 = 23.9533 BTC [+] {2}
02:36 adlai anybody trading on mpex want to try scalpl?
02:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7292 @ 0.00070292 = 5.1257 BTC [+]
02:37 * adlai is curious how it'd fare on s.mpoe
02:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35320 @ 0.00070426 = 24.8745 BTC [+] {2}
02:38 adlai ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me
02:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4238 @ 0.00070793 = 3.0002 BTC [+]
02:39 mircea_popescu adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p
02:40 adlai which one, the one against long-term investments in altcoins?
02:40 adlai it's hard to organize an argument against nobody. kinda like planning an invasion without a map.
02:41 mircea_popescu i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.
02:41 * adlai must've misunderstood http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951036
02:41 assbot Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
02:42 adlai if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment
02:43 adlai plenty of cogent and together people dedicate their time to charity, but it's not a terribly rewarding investment
02:44 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
02:44 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
02:44 mircea_popescu guy's been around for a while wut.
02:45 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: could the airgap concept of the cardano be applied to storage?
02:46 thestringpuller i know that's somewhat random...
02:46 mircea_popescu why not ?
02:48 thestringpuller i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available
02:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9964 @ 0.00072082 = 7.1823 BTC [+]
02:49 BingoBoingo If a system is compromised it's compromised
02:51 mircea_popescu seems airgap means you're not touching some other system neh.
02:51 thestringpuller or in the sense it is non-trivial to remove data from the device
02:51 thestringpuller more in the sense*
02:52 mircea_popescu how did the memo end up in there then.
02:57 thestringpuller so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr
02:58 mircea_popescu it'd decript somethinmg you got off a pastebin for you, but obviously it can't guarantee the computer you're on won't read your memo too
02:58 mircea_popescu just that it won't be able to steal your keys
02:58 thestringpuller exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano
02:58 thestringpuller in the way key on cardano is nontrivial to remove
02:59 thestringpuller same with data on this device that stores output from decryption
02:59 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
03:00 BingoBoingo I think you two are talking about different devices
03:00 thestringpuller well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device
03:01 thestringpuller place to store output
03:01 thestringpuller for situations arising "in the field"
03:02 mircea_popescu the storing isnot the problem. how'd you read it ?
03:02 punkman thestringpuller wants a screen on the cardano
03:03 thestringpuller That could be a solution!
03:03 thestringpuller punkman has the right idea!
03:03 punkman or a tiny laptop thingy
03:03 undata there are many simple text-output LCDs
03:03 undata however anything like that becomes another point to siphon data off the thing if you derp using it
03:04 mircea_popescu real programmers just sense the bits.
03:04 mircea_popescu screens are for weaklings!
03:04 thestringpuller that's another option have little magnets implanted in finger tips
03:04 thestringpuller cardano has little interface
03:05 thestringpuller why not just have plug directly into skull
03:05 punkman you could make a tactile morse generator
03:05 mircea_popescu or a dildo.
03:05 mircea_popescu feel the morse.
03:12 punkman mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ? << good night's sleep and not busy today, shall make progress
03:13 mircea_popescu aite.
03:13 punkman mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it. << sewage is good for tea?
03:15 mircea_popescu for the field.
03:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18362 @ 0.00071765 = 13.1775 BTC [-]
03:19 punkman saw this recently, about making fertilizer from NY sewage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9x79_WYbk
03:19 assbot You Don't Know Shit: VICE Reports (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sfbfWT )
03:19 punkman not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit
03:21 mircea_popescu what do you think the earth is if not hardpacked, ancient sewage.
03:23 BingoBoingo punkman: Fine baby the tomatoes, but what about the sweet corn
03:23 punkman I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot
03:23 mircea_popescu hahaha
03:23 punkman but I don't want NY sewage
03:23 mircea_popescu humanure, where humint goes to die.
03:23 BingoBoingo humanure isn't a thing
03:23 BingoBoingo It's night soil and it grows rice.
03:24 BingoBoingo Ship it to the deep south.
03:24 BingoBoingo Isn't that what the civil war was over?
03:29 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/12/microsoft-xbox-and-mobile-marketplace-now-accepts-bitcoin/
03:38 BingoBoingo !up Curious_George
03:38 BingoBoingo Hello Curious_George
03:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6337 @ 0.00068143 = 4.3182 BTC [-]
03:42 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
03:42 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.04, Best ask: 362.14, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 361.04, 24 hour volume: 14786.74135077, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
03:45 BingoBoingo Is the robitussin bottle really not supposed to be a single serving?
03:46 mircea_popescu lol
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1025 @ 0.00120505 = 1.2352 BTC [-] {2}
03:48 BingoBoingo Fucking CYP2D6 again
03:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18221 @ 0.00065957 = 12.018 BTC [-]
04:03 fluffypony adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit
04:03 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
04:03 fluffypony pubkeys) thus breaking compatibility with every existing application, and then enforce the standard for some time before the utxoset is sufficiently large to allow for a measurable level of privacy (see MRL-0001 on lab.monero.cc as to why this is true)
04:04 fluffypony to get back to the previous convo, though - it isn't an "investment", nor has it been pitched as such
04:04 mircea_popescu fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.
04:05 fluffypony mircea_popescu: that's like saying someone with a better business value proposition can just fork BTC
04:05 fluffypony the network effect of BTC works against that
04:06 mircea_popescu but only for btc.
04:06 fluffypony maybe it's best to think of Monero as something like Freicoin - an experiment in creating something usable and useful
04:06 fluffypony and if it fails it doesn't matter, we're not trying to build a business, we're advancing technology
04:06 mircea_popescu so you are in the endsaying this is more of a hobby than serious.
04:06 mircea_popescu right.
04:07 adlai fluffypony: blockstream is a for-profit company in order to steal your lunch
04:07 mircea_popescu adlai i doubt it'd be his lunch.
04:08 adlai it's a metaphor :)
04:08 mircea_popescu guy pretty much said hedun expect to eat off it.
04:08 fluffypony yeah
04:08 fluffypony lol
04:09 adlai i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset
04:09 fluffypony yes
04:09 adlai and the "your" referred to all these projects, not just fluffypony
04:09 mircea_popescu innovation is nonblocking.
04:09 fluffypony but that also means that the altcoin is indelibly linked to Bitcoin's value
04:10 fluffypony the economic hinge makes sidechaining unpalatable for us
04:10 fluffypony but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant
04:10 mircea_popescu fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
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04:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00067111 = 12.2478 BTC [+] {2}
04:10 mircea_popescu this is a fact and it's not going away except in fiction.
04:10 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin
04:11 mircea_popescu perhaps. then again this may be a rather short term concern you see.
04:12 fluffypony most altcoins are scams anyway
04:12 fluffypony either outrightly or through blind ignorance
04:12 mircea_popescu right.
04:14 fluffypony oh cute, Bryce Weenie blocked me on Twitter
04:15 fluffypony I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408
04:15 assbot Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: /blockchain.info published private keys. http://t.co/B6tmulgmyY
04:15 mircea_popescu trying to recall who that is.
04:16 fluffypony he's the guy that keeps getting "interviewed" by Seaman
04:16 mircea_popescu oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.
04:16 fluffypony yeah, he keeps promoting shitcoins like Nautiluscoin
04:17 fluffypony the one with the "stabilization fund"
04:17 fluffypony which clearly didn't stabilise anything
04:18 mircea_popescu well, neither did the various stabilisation funds irl lol.
04:19 fluffypony lol
04:19 BingoBoingo fluffypony: It is alright. The coinfire account on twitter blocked both myself and cazalla that one time we made a blog even though... Eventually we may want to hire their meat.
04:21 fluffypony heh
04:22 mircea_popescu anyway, /me waits patiently for fluffypony to be done with playing and start srs bzns.
04:23 fluffypony lol
04:23 fluffypony I've got stuff I'm building on the business side
04:23 * BingoBoingo waits for the scorpions to shrink again, fuck you robitussin cold and flu
04:23 fluffypony when I have something cool to show I will :)
04:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00064969 = 19.1659 BTC [-] {3}
04:25 mircea_popescu now /me waits patiently for the home videos of fluffyfamily.
04:26 fluffypony ooh la la
04:28 punkman fluffypony: what happened to that prospectus
04:28 fluffypony punkman: which one?
04:28 punkman vaguely remember one when you first joined
04:29 fluffypony oh yes - I decided to fund it myself
04:29 fluffypony had a bit of a false start on one of the projects, shitty resources, so that's just picked up again as of a few weeks ago
04:30 punkman what was it about?
04:30 fluffypony that particular one is a payment processor
04:31 fluffypony omg it's rithm everyone hide
04:33 BingoBoingo !up rithm
04:33 BingoBoingo rithm: Why does the fluffy mare fear you?
04:33 fluffypony rithm: when are you changing back to jcpham?
04:34 mircea_popescu lol fluffymare
04:34 fluffypony lol
04:37 BingoBoingo fluffypony: How can we know you aren't the blond wife? Other than if that was the OH SHIT HUGE SPIDER, case certain people would be much more attentive to your equine needs
04:38 fluffypony BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?
04:39 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead
04:39 fluffypony heh
04:39 mircea_popescu lol HE'S REALLY MPOE-PR!11
04:39 fluffypony lol
04:39 * BingoBoingo watches the latest episode of Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen because better than Robitussin
04:39 fluffypony hanbot is going to be pissed!
04:39 BingoBoingo Or relieved
04:41 BingoBoingo Carrying those tits can't come with zero cost
04:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00063865 = 7.3445 BTC [-]
04:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8486 BTC [+] {7}
04:57 mircea_popescu !up Flyer33
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00063865 = 24.3147 BTC [-] {2}
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05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067317 = 9.5254 BTC [+] {2}
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06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22674 @ 0.00067687 = 15.3474 BTC [+]
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06:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1187 @ 0.00124299 = 1.4754 BTC [+]
06:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1220 @ 0.0012 = 1.464 BTC
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06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006703 = 14.6461 BTC [-] {2}
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07:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00067687 = 16.5833 BTC [+]
07:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00067831 = 7.5632 BTC [+] {2}
07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00065548 = 2.5891 BTC [-]
07:31 nubbins` hi
07:31 nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective. <<<< o.O
07:31 nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so. <<< o.0
07:31 nubbins` <+BingoBoingo> The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo! <<< i have a friend prohibited from imbibing for 4 years as part of the punishment for a drug offense
07:33 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Do you have the same romantic attachment to 7.65 that I do. It is bond caliber
07:34 nubbins` i remain wholly emotionally unaffected by rationals
07:36 nubbins` 153/20 is no exception!
07:37 nubbins` mircea_popescu: cold water is not in fact cold nor water but from our perspective, &c
07:38 nubbins` way to argue the null case ;p
07:41 BingoBoingo I am in no fair way other than tripping balls right now. How do robitussin bottles not exist as single serving containgers
07:42 BingoBoingo I mean I punched a spider the size of my head ad the mess was smaller than my knuckle
07:45 nubbins` better put this on
07:45 nubbins` http://patrickcanning.bandcamp.com/album/lets-celebrate-with-blood
07:45 assbot Let's Celebrate With Blood | Patrick Canning ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgJOyG )
07:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00065067 = 6.832 BTC [-]
07:50 * BingoBoingo kind of regrets promising to tutor his cousin's kids in comp sci
07:52 nubbins` brutal deal
07:57 BingoBoingo nubbins`: They already stole a fucking car
08:00 nubbins` hied your weed
08:04 BingoBoingo I don't have any. Have you not read the sad saga of Normal man???
08:04 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/a-normal-man-sentenced-to-48-months-prison/
08:04 assbot A Normal Man Sentenced To 48 Months Prison | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IExQ3Q )
08:06 BingoBoingo A followup is happening... once I start punching spider sized spiders in the garage during gicarettes and not cornish game hen sized spiders
08:06 BingoBoingo Spiders always shrink on the knuckles
08:06 BingoBoingo No matter what you dose your flu with
08:07 BingoBoingo They always shrink there
08:07 mats lol...
08:10 BingoBoingo mats: How much do you know about CYP 450???
08:10 danielpbarron heh, i've robotripped a few times
08:11 mats 0
08:11 BingoBoingo I don't get much choice in the matter thanks to my good friend CYP2d6*39*???
08:11 BingoBoingo And yes, *??? is one or several allelles
08:12 BingoBoingo I may need to sand my desk again after this Ill spell thanks to Mr. Fairbairn and Mr. Sykes
08:13 * BingoBoingo is the boss in the worst video game level
08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00063801 = 10.2401 BTC [-] {2}
08:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
08:29 mats http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrdn40
08:29 assbot ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEEs29 )
08:29 mats 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.'
08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00064571 = 1.2914 BTC [+] {2}
08:33 fluffypony lol
08:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065309 = 7.6085 BTC [+] {2}
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09:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 13315 @ 0.0012 = 15.978 BTC
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00063709 = 8.4096 BTC [-]
09:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21699 @ 0.00064564 = 14.0097 BTC [+]
09:24 RagnarDanneskjol http://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:HGFNh8L1sZ4J:scholar.google.com/+bitcoin&hl=en&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0,5
09:24 assbot Fair Information Sharing for Treasure Hunting ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCtUNQ )
09:33 Naphex mats: reading that quote just gave me eye cancer
09:34 fluffypony I'm sure he's being sarcastic
09:34 Naphex still
09:34 Naphex very damaging
09:34 Naphex my brain still hurts :))
09:36 Naphex fluffypony: i mean, for real Node & co is like Compatiblity HELL
09:36 Naphex run now & never again
09:36 fluffypony lol
09:36 Naphex - please god don't make me recompile node
09:36 fluffypony my favourite is Ubuntu changing the binary name
09:36 fluffypony so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs"
09:36 nubbins` heh
09:37 nubbins` dat renaming
09:37 Naphex not to talk about all the hellish packages in npm
09:37 Naphex that are mixed with outdated c++ module
09:37 Naphex and insane spachetty javascript
09:38 nubbins` sharepoint renamed a bunch of shit between major revisions, but literally just swapped the names around and kept the api calls, function definitions, class names, etc the same
09:39 nubbins` so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
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09:39 nubbins` etc
09:39 nubbins` imagine "using" a platform like that
09:39 Naphex https://github.com/bitpay/insight-api/blob/master/lib/TransactionDb.js is this the real life?
09:39 assbot insight-api/TransactionDb.js at master · bitpay/insight-api · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCxFD5 )
09:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [+]
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09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00063709 = 1.2742 BTC [-]
10:00 mats i don't think he's kidding based on his comment history
10:00 mats http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrdyb6
10:00 assbot ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1AksCEv )
10:01 mats 'A better way to do physics research is to build a lot of wealth outside of academia, and then fund myself as a scientist. That way I have complete freedom and I'm not facing the crazy competition for government funding. If I can pull it off, that's exactly what I'll do.'
10:04 mats afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
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10:09 Naphex mats: "crowdfunding"
10:10 Naphex thats where the plan is at
10:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00064564 = 3.4219 BTC [+]
10:12 Naphex you need to read between the lines ^^
10:15 nubbins` hey, he did say "a lot of wealth"
10:15 Naphex plus its reddit
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10:39 danielpbarron !up ryanxcharles
10:39 ryanxcharles thx!
10:39 danielpbarron have you read the logs? you're name has come up quite a few times
10:39 ryanxcharles i saw people talked about my love of javascript
10:40 ryanxcharles i don't have time to respond at the moment but i'll come back later
10:41 danielpbarron okie doke
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00064564 = 11.4924 BTC [+]
10:47 fluffypony ryanxcharles: congrats on having your PR merged :)
10:47 ryanxcharles ha thanks!
10:48 fluffypony also this is a fun conversation, this dude is incorrigible: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrmjiq
10:48 assbot ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhmHUH )
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063726 = 14.9119 BTC [-] {3}
10:54 danielpbarron !up qntranet
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00064564 = 6.3918 BTC [+]
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17111 @ 0.00065048 = 11.1304 BTC [+] {2}
11:11 asciilifeform the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << it costs $maxint. and not for the reasons you may think:
11:12 asciilifeform !s eotvos
11:12 assbot 11 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos
11:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00063635 = 10.4361 BTC [-]
11:12 asciilifeform if you want actual physics done again, you probably have to wage ww3 first
11:12 asciilifeform and exterminate the buggers
11:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00063574 = 13.9863 BTC [-] {2}
11:15 asciilifeform (if anyone is unclear on why 'i'll bring in a few $b and then do physics with it' is a nonstarter, they must read the eotvos threads.)
11:23 mats int32 or int64?
11:23 mats :(
11:26 nubbins` mats ask mp, no difference
11:27 nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
11:27 nubbins` ;D
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12:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00063699 = 26.1166 BTC [+] {2}
12:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15656 @ 0.0006332 = 9.9134 BTC [-] {2}
12:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1082 @ 0.0012 = 1.2984 BTC {2}
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12:39 xanthyos hi
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14 = 2.1 BTC [+]
12:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15730 @ 0.00063894 = 10.0505 BTC [+]
12:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34920 @ 0.00064732 = 22.6044 BTC [+] {2}
13:00 mircea_popescu !up ryanxcharles
13:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00065658 = 16.2871 BTC [+] {4}
13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18431 @ 0.00063234 = 11.6547 BTC [-] {2}
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00063074 = 25.955 BTC [-] {3}
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78688 @ 0.00062352 = 49.0635 BTC [-] {3}
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2030 @ 0.0012 = 2.436 BTC
13:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3956 @ 0.0012 = 4.7472 BTC
13:31 mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, what part contradicts your tender youthful mind ? :D
13:32 nubbins` what is mathematics if not perspective?
13:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55565 @ 0.00064007 = 35.5655 BTC [+] {2}
13:32 mircea_popescu ikr ?
13:35 mircea_popescu nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p << no but it was relevant in context.
13:36 nubbins` well ya know. context is not relevant but from your perspective.
13:36 mircea_popescu the dispute (in typical redditesque retardom) was whether 7 is "less likely" or "more likely" to stad for a nsa-diddled ecdsa curve than 5976928769872976597967965769845 or w/e
13:36 mircea_popescu as if.
13:36 nubbins` oh, well in that case, sure
13:36 nubbins` if we do a fast phone number transform on that second one
13:36 mircea_popescu dude check out the poor entropy in kbd mashing. who knew!
13:36 nubbins` it's going to be a much more number
13:37 nubbins` the other one won't even get you a dialtone
13:43 mircea_popescu mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.' << :D
13:44 mircea_popescu this is so on point i swear.
13:44 mircea_popescu "my cock is the right tool for everything! it can fuck things up, mess them up, screw up and everything else i normally do!"
13:45 mats hey man, he's a cryptocurrency engineer
13:46 mircea_popescu right, because so much crypto work is being done in the least apt language for the purpose.
13:46 mircea_popescu i know whenever i have a large numbers problem i tend to fire up basic too!
13:47 mats poor guy is gonna start here with a buncha criticism
13:48 mircea_popescu yeah well, fortifies the soul of the chosen
13:48 mircea_popescu burns the sould of the unworthy with the fire of a thousand hells + 1 matchstick.
13:48 mircea_popescu fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs" <<< bwahahaha you guise, stahp.
13:48 mircea_popescu you can't be fucken serious.
13:53 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951292 that shit made my ears spin. there's actually people walking the earth that put up with this shit ?
13:53 assbot Logged on 11-12-2014 14:39:08; nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
13:53 mats http://vim-adventures.com neat-o
13:53 assbot VIM Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6wziC )
13:58 thestringpuller i like how mircea_popescu is more cheerful during the holidays
13:58 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: for christmas I want my own harem!
13:58 mircea_popescu oh it's a holiday ?
13:58 mircea_popescu thestringpuller trust me, it's like wanting your own tiger.
14:00 thestringpuller That sounds like a pro rather than a con.
14:01 nubbins` spoken like a man who never read life of pi ;p
14:01 thestringpuller oh nubbins` btw I have moar werk fer ya
14:01 thestringpuller you terk mah old printers jerb
14:01 mircea_popescu thestringpuller exactly my point. it sounds like a pro until the 250kg beast licks you.
14:01 * nubbins` scampers
14:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951303 << nah not actually.
14:03 assbot Logged on 11-12-2014 15:04:03; mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
14:04 mircea_popescu you can coax time on expensive machinery for very little money. what costs is the bezzle support, you know ? most of grant money goes back to university to "pay for" grad students etc.
14:04 mircea_popescu it's just a fictitious money shuffle.
14:04 asciilifeform except when you can't get the time even for maxint.
14:04 asciilifeform (see thread earlier)
14:04 mircea_popescu in most times and places you actually do, in my experience.
14:05 thestringpuller "pay for" grad students? given student loans...
14:05 mircea_popescu i dunno how it goes in the us, but eu folks are more thna happy to oblige, and also because humans are generally lazy most machinery mostly sits idle
14:05 mircea_popescu thestringpuller nono, pay the uni for their use.
14:05 mircea_popescu it's dementedly complicated.
14:05 thestringpuller oic
14:06 thestringpuller a lot of grad students don't use scholarships, but enrollment programs in exchange for being slaves to businesses
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14:06 thestringpuller give business 5 good years, and they pay tuition
14:07 mircea_popescu right.
14:07 mircea_popescu meanwhile business sells them out like common hos.
14:07 mircea_popescu for grant money the govt pays.
14:07 thestringpuller much more clear.
14:07 mircea_popescu best racket ever, if princeton sold shares in itself it'd obliterate the apple.
14:08 thestringpuller hah princeton has so much money
14:08 thestringpuller they pamper their students tho
14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00064851 = 10.2465 BTC [+]
14:11 mircea_popescu i guess. define pamper ?
14:11 mircea_popescu 6 pairs of perky tits chained to bedroom wall ?
14:12 thestringpuller that and students who like to have mental breakdowns, they have shrinks to talk you out of your alcoholism
14:12 thestringpuller or what not
14:14 thestringpuller instead of pamper as the word
14:15 thestringpuller maybe "babysit"? essentially treating the children as children, much babysitting
14:15 mircea_popescu yeah well...
14:17 fluffypony mircea_popescu: nope, not kidding, it's a thing in Debian as well as Ubuntu - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/4772 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/ubuntu-repo-nodejs-require-symlink-to-node-to-use-forever etc.
14:17 assbot Support for "nodejs" executable name · Issue #4772 · joyent/node · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6CcNL )
14:17 assbot Ubuntu repo "nodejs" require symlink to "node" to use Forever? | DigitalOcean ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6Cd4i )
14:17 mircea_popescu bejesus.
14:17 mircea_popescu why do people hate on php again ?
14:18 fluffypony I don't disagree with their decision to call it "nodejs", I think the nodejs developers are the issue - htf do they call the binary "node" when clearly that's a word that may occur on the command-line, being common in computin' circles
14:18 thestringpuller ;;ticker
14:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.44, Best ask: 357.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 357.43, 24 hour volume: 15867.32305096, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 353.010435555
14:18 thestringpuller php is ugly
14:18 thestringpuller but it works
14:18 mircea_popescu anyway, my heart goes out to the poor souls stuck working knee deep in this crud because of their idiotic employer.
14:18 mircea_popescu no wonder they're so dissociated they claim to love it.
14:18 thestringpuller i also don't like having to sanitize strings
14:19 thestringpuller how kind of you mircea_popescu
14:19 thestringpuller php is the only server side web tech i've found that integrates with gpg
14:20 thestringpuller except maybe python running inside a tornado container (like coinbr)
14:20 fluffypony django
14:20 fluffypony :-P
14:20 mircea_popescu perl
14:20 mircea_popescu they all do don't they
14:20 thestringpuller node.js gpg implementation is broken tho
14:20 thestringpuller opengpg.js or whatever
14:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: was there a S.NSA statement for November 2014?
14:27 mircea_popescu thestringpuller nah, asciilifeform was late and then got sick so i gave him the benefit of the "once per year, report delayed for a month"
14:28 thestringpuller so double report for December?
14:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform don't throw out your draft letters! will have to append to them!
14:28 mircea_popescu yea.
14:28 thestringpuller will any news be announced between now and then?
14:29 mircea_popescu i dunno.
14:30 thestringpuller it's cool, just on edge of seat wanting to buy cardano :P
14:30 thestringpuller shut_up_and_take_my_coin.jpg
14:30 mircea_popescu hey, you're not the only one.
14:30 mircea_popescu lettuce poke stan!
14:30 Namworld Campaign is over by the way
14:30 Namworld 619 website clicks
14:31 Namworld Claimed by FB
14:31 mircea_popescu Namworld can you send me a ss or something ? i wanna make an article of it.
14:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: at least you are managing demand, reminds me of Tesla having a 15000 car wait list, while producing ~5000 cars a year. Won't have to worry about new customers off the blocks.
14:37 mats http://america.aljazeera.com/watch.html
14:37 assbot Video | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6GEvS )
14:37 mats i find myself agreeing with john brennan.
14:38 thestringpuller !t m d.cbse
14:38 assbot [MPEX:D.CBSE] 1D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (2 shares, 0.24 BTC), 7D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (12 shares, 1.43 BTC), 30D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (36 shares, 4.30 BTC)
14:41 mats o wait, talking head is just a former station chief
14:42 adlai none of the derps have been consummated yet, right?
14:42 kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png
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14:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlPD9U )
14:42 mircea_popescu what's consummatred mean
14:42 mircea_popescu thestringpuller how do you figure ?
14:43 adlai contract finished, delisted, paid out if appropriate, etc
14:43 mircea_popescu a no.
14:43 thestringpuller mpex investors are valuing d.cbse market cap at 116k btc which is like 40mn bezzles
14:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol who is this ?
14:44 kakobrekla replied with a link to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951464
14:44 assbot Logged on 11-12-2014 19:42:38; kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00064886 = 20.2769 BTC [+] {2}
14:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller you accounting for their recent dillution ?
14:44 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569594
14:44 assbot Logged on 20-03-2014 04:33:07; mircea_popescu: http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html
14:44 kakobrekla your shit.
14:44 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what dilution? the additional vc?
14:44 mircea_popescu well yes ?
14:44 kakobrekla wha?
14:44 fluffypony why would you remove the link
14:44 kakobrekla who said i will?
14:45 fluffypony no no I know
14:45 fluffypony but I mean
14:45 fluffypony I don't understand the point of their email
14:45 fluffypony backlinks are good
14:45 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i was answering thestringpuller
14:45 kakobrekla ah
14:45 mircea_popescu fluffypony they wish to be important.
14:46 kakobrekla as far as i know merica has invaded somalia and now we have freedam of spick here so he can fuck off
14:46 mircea_popescu i guess the issue is, their page is now 404 and they don't want you linkign to a 404 page
14:46 kakobrekla oh it is?
14:47 kakobrekla i havent bothered to click
14:47 mircea_popescu fuck them for having 404 pages in the first place, they should fix both their website and the broken process which resulted in this being a problem in the first place.
14:47 mircea_popescu thestringpuller "Should Coinbase make dilutive issuances after July 8, 2014, D.CBSE will be diluted proportionally."
14:49 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yes from the contract, but what would invoke this clause?
14:55 mike_c kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods?
14:58 mircea_popescu thestringpuller didnt they recently get moar investment ?
14:58 thestringpuller that acts as dilution?
14:59 mike_c they haven't raised since a year ago. rumor mill says they are out raising again now.
14:59 mircea_popescu thestringpuller well it means more shares which means more mkt cap right ?
14:59 Namworld Ah, yeah, let me check
14:59 mircea_popescu mike_c i thought they just had ? or was that bitpay.
14:59 mike_c http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coinbase << last was dec 2013
14:59 assbot Coinbase | CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlUg3L )
15:00 mircea_popescu aha.
15:01 kakobrekla lol mike_c all you got is they should be slovenians and thats that?
15:01 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i dun see where the 1/10 comes from then ?
15:01 kakobrekla you know we are actually in europe, not india
15:02 mircea_popescu lies
15:02 mike_c you're next to madagascar or something, right? (kidding..)
15:02 mircea_popescu !up ansc
15:02 ansc !up
15:02 mircea_popescu ello ansc. who're you ?
15:03 ansc hi. i am just a simple redditard. regular reader and fan of trilema though.
15:03 mike_c what I heard was that there were a bunch of reliable firms in eastern europe, with ukraine and slovenia being mentioned explicitly. and ukraine seems risky choice these days.
15:03 ansc i am here to ask a small favour
15:04 mircea_popescu lol welcome then.
15:04 mircea_popescu ask away.
15:04 mike_c I thought you might know some people in your irl wot from the area.
15:05 ansc mp you once wrote 'thee is only one thing that matters today: bitcoin' or something similar
15:06 ansc which is, as everything you write, a very true if somewhat hyperbolic assessment of the present state of the union.
15:06 kakobrekla mike_c ill ask see what comes up.
15:07 mircea_popescu aha ?
15:07 mike_c thx
15:07 Namworld Report by age group, not sure if you wanted something else: http://i.imgur.com/fuh9f9v.png
15:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vVTQ5f )
15:07 mircea_popescu Namworld i have no idea how their stats look, so this is as good as anything.
15:07 mircea_popescu tyvm for indulging me.
15:07 Namworld There's an infinite number of stats and types of reports and what not.
15:07 ansc could you pls elaborate a little on that thought?
15:08 mircea_popescu okay.
15:09 mircea_popescu take this discussion : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951164
15:09 assbot Logged on 11-12-2014 09:10:20; mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
15:10 mircea_popescu the subiacent point there, perhaps unapparent, is that every human construct fundamentally relies on truth to be recognisable as such.
15:10 mircea_popescu things that are completely independent are by that very fact also completely hermetic. like the ravings of the insane.
15:10 mircea_popescu now, bitcoin happens to have a priviledged relationship with truth
15:11 mircea_popescu and for this reason, it will necessarily enjoy a priviledged relationship with all things of import.
15:11 mircea_popescu except, of course, fiction in those parts where it's hermetic, and otherwise insanity.
15:12 ansc that is all fine and such. anything that human beings not destined for freedom could relate to? (referring to one of your latest blog posts)
15:13 mircea_popescu reference's lost on me lol, but hm. what do you mean relate ?
15:13 ansc frankly, my fellow subhumans would not remotely be able to indulge in your previously published comments.
15:13 mircea_popescu like, say, the price of oil bends your future irrespective of who you are. do you call this relating to oil ?
15:13 mircea_popescu whether you know or not how exactly, gravity still works.
15:14 mircea_popescu we don't really happen to know atm how the fuck.
15:22 ansc mp you recently wrote about the two kinds of ppl: freedom attaining and not. on trilema.
15:23 mircea_popescu link ?
15:23 ansc struck me as a fundamental truthy
15:23 ansc looked but didn't find. it was your thought anyway LOL
15:24 ansc explains a lot about our 'democracy' and such
15:24 ansc struck me as a genius insight
15:24 mircea_popescu aha.
15:27 rithm mircea_popescu such genius, super genius actually
15:27 mircea_popescu super super.
15:28 rithm that's gotta be mensa >9000
15:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00064584 = 8.4192 BTC [-] {2}
15:29 ansc well flattering here and there.. that's not the point.
15:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23264 @ 0.00062572 = 14.5568 BTC [-] {2}
15:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
15:33 TomServo !up ansc
15:33 TomServo ansc: What is the point?
15:35 fluffypony rithm: I herd it waz eyensteyen level
15:35 rithm fluffypony talk dirty black holes to me
15:36 ansc in our current system, one man one vote, how can we ever escape communism, other than by a collapse of the currency?
15:36 fluffypony rithm: a black labrador wipes it's bum on a dirty patch of grass
15:37 rithm ahhh wormholes
15:37 ansc fluffypony: its
15:37 mircea_popescu ansc communism is in teh head :D
15:37 fluffypony ansc: it was a dirty sentence
15:37 rithm i'd agree communism is a social construct and a matter or perception, sure
15:37 ansc right
15:37 rithm *of
15:38 ansc i am so scared bc i don't see a peaceful exit from the current communist idiotic system
15:38 kakobrekla >The Pirate Bay goes offline after police raid server room
15:38 kakobrekla here we go again
15:38 mircea_popescu the peaceful exists are the monopoly of they willing to travel.
15:39 mircea_popescu i kinda enjoyed their taunting letters up until 2010 or w/e.
15:39 mircea_popescu great mine canary that. you knew that once that ended, there shall be war.
15:40 ansc ok but travel where to? how is argentina in that respect e.g.?
15:41 mircea_popescu argentina is amusing. it has a very socialist-populist government that is very inept, and a large population hell bent on ignoring it
15:41 mircea_popescu and everything that to you might pass for business sense.
15:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00063823 = 18.5087 BTC [+]
15:43 ansc but it shows that the common man is willing to ebdure idiocy on a vast timescale that exceeds our patience by orders of magnitude
15:43 rithm i like boobies tho
15:44 mircea_popescu what's "the common man" care about these things.
15:45 mircea_popescu anyway, to get an idea of this crazy : every time you go into a shop of any kind, you have a 50-50 chance for the sales person to try to provide what you're asking for OR to try and convince you not to buy anything.
15:45 ansc well if idiocy prevails, there is no hope for mankind. does the common man not shape history?
15:45 mircea_popescu because they can't be arsed to stand up, get off the phone, think about it...
15:45 mircea_popescu the common man shapes his boogers.
15:45 ansc haha ok righto
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00062252 = 4.4199 BTC [-]
15:52 asciilifeform ;;isup thepiratebay.cr
15:52 gribble thepiratebay.cr is up
15:52 asciilifeform kakobrekla: wat
15:52 kakobrekla nfi
15:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @ 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC
15:56 kakobrekla i guess im ignorant like that.
16:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00062252 = 5.3138 BTC [-]
16:02 asciilifeform to try and convince you not to buy anything << why?!
16:11 mircea_popescu !scoop
16:11 mircea_popescu .scoop
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92900 @ 0.00061581 = 57.2087 BTC [-] {2}
16:11 mircea_popescu .scoop trilema.com
16:11 mircea_popescu hm how did that go.
16:11 TomServo scoopbot -fetch
16:11 TomServo i think?
16:12 mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch trilema.com
16:12 TomServo sans trilema.com, or pm -fetch
16:13 mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch
16:13 * TomServo shrugs.
16:13 TomServo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2014#949159
16:13 assbot Logged on 09-12-2014 04:47:20; PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop
16:14 mircea_popescu scam!
16:27 mircea_popescu http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30431988
16:27 assbot BBC News - Man charged in London 'slavery' inquiry ... ( http://bit.ly/1whn66n )
16:30 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hello-everyone-im-facebook-martin-and-this-is-the-racquetball-trick/
16:33 adlai holy fuck. bitfinex are not just derpier than imagined, they're derpier than it is possible to imagine
16:35 kakobrekla what now?
16:35 adlai their API fails to verify messages 240 characters and longer
16:35 kakobrekla maybe you are talking to twitter?
16:38 adlai maybe i need to throw their endpoint servers through a plate glass window
16:39 kakobrekla are you trying to hook up scalpl to that ?
16:40 adlai scalpl already talks to bitfinex, but i hadn't tried placing hidden orders before
16:41 adlai but "\"is_hidden\":true," pushes the length of SOME messages over 240 characters
16:41 adlai so some orders got placed. some didn't. teeth were gnashed.
16:43 * adlai thinks back to when he first connected scalpl to bitfinex, and found that "signature = HMAC-SHA384(payload, api-secret) as hexadecimal" apparently also means to zero pad it to 96 bytes
16:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00063885 = 10.0619 BTC [+] {2}
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17:01 fluffypony mircea_popescu: Amazon item Q&A that you'll enjoy - http://i.imgur.com/wTBNy5F.jpg
17:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1x79EDL )
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17:37 mircea_popescu lol
17:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: (article) 'But this is no sort of economic activity, it's just an elaborate waste, of everything. The participants could all be dead for all it'd matter to anyone...' << obligatory >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html
17:42 mircea_popescu something like that yea
17:43 danielpbarron !up ryanxcharles
17:43 mircea_popescu !isup namecheap.com/
17:44 mircea_popescu ;;isup namecheap.com
17:44 gribble namecheap.com is up
17:44 mircea_popescu like hell it is.
17:44 kakobrekla up here
17:44 mircea_popescu hm.
17:45 mircea_popescu 199.59.161.100 ?
17:45 kakobrekla yup
17:45 mircea_popescu nm finally.
17:46 ryanxcharles hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points
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17:47 mircea_popescu "personally" ?
17:47 ryanxcharles this is why javascript is the best programming language for any task
17:47 kakobrekla asciilifeform someone is writing graffiti on ba walls
17:50 mircea_popescu ;;isup https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp
17:50 assbot Login Signup ... ( http://bit.ly/1yERHHY )
17:50 gribble https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp is up
17:50 mircea_popescu not here. and who the fuck came up with that url scheme i wish to know.
17:56 BingoBoingo <ryanxcharles> hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points << Am I still tripping?
17:57 mircea_popescu "and all coders should be tripping"
17:57 mats we are all tripping
17:58 Naphex is it just tasks?
17:59 Naphex or software?
18:01 asciilifeform kakobrekla: wai wat ?
18:01 mats guy doesn't read assbot PMs apparently
18:02 kakobrekla ah nvm
18:06 adlai is it software or are we dancer
18:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22242 @ 0.00061519 = 13.6831 BTC [-]
18:23 mats http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/congress-quietly-bolsters-nsa-spying-in-intelligence-bill-20141211
18:23 assbot Congress Quietly Bolsters NSA Spying in Intelligence Bill - NationalJournal.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPLHv )
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00060267 = 20.1292 BTC [-] {3}
18:24 mats nice. doesn't take a fed to own me anymore.
18:29 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/12/cia-torture-nyms.htm
18:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wEWZbw )
18:30 asciilifeform ^ mega-lol
18:30 asciilifeform implicit message: 'there were only a few torturers! and they've retired! go back to sleep'
18:30 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1082/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.775 BTC. Current weight: 95,265.
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00061498 = 20.4481 BTC [+] {2}
18:38 mats http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20141208/FY%202015%20IAA.PDF >> "The Secretary of State shall ensure that ... every supervisory position at a United States diplomatic facility in the Russian Federation shall be occupied by a citizen of the United States'
18:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wEYXsw )
18:40 mats 'Each United States diplomatic facility that [is in] ... the Russian Federation, or any country that is a former member of the Soviet Union shall be constructed to include a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.'
18:41 * mats scratches head
18:41 asciilifeform afaik this is ancient statute
18:41 mats i'm wondering why this is even in the bill.
18:41 mats these are things that should be done already.
18:43 asciilifeform mega-lulz in section 312.
18:45 mats 'SEC. 306. INCLUSION OF PREDOMINANTLY BLACK INSTITUTIONS IN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER TRAINING PROGRAM'
18:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816569
18:46 assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 21:57:45; mircea_popescu: "mr devektorovskyi, what are we to do then ?"
18:48 mats 'the President should establish and maintain an intelligence and law enforcement cooperation scorecard with metrics designed to measure the number of instances that intelligence and law enforcement agencies in the United States require assistance from intelligence and law enforcement agencies in Ukraine'
18:50 mats write summaries for us, we can't be bothered to read all these danged reports you know!
18:53 asciilifeform 'describe the actions the United States is taking to support implementation of the recommendations of the United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, including the eventual establishment of a tribunal to hold individuals accountable for abuses' << sovereignty, what's that
18:54 asciilifeform only usa - sovereign
18:54 asciilifeform derpschland uber alles!
18:58 asciilifeform 'a report on the threat posed by man-made electromagnetic pulse weapons to United States interests through 2025, including threats from foreign countries...' >> easy:
18:58 asciilifeform let them hire a translator:
18:58 asciilifeform http://pirochem.net/index.php?id1=3&category=pirophysics&author=prishepenko-ab&book=2008
18:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wF3knl )
18:59 asciilifeform ^ text descibes not only what is physically-possible on the subject, but the author's struggles to convince management that it is entirely infeasible to set up a nuke-style 'emp' using anything other than a nuke
19:00 asciilifeform (in the case of the latter, charged particles circulate in the van allen belts, turning it into a gigantic electromagnet)
19:01 asciilifeform emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp)
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19:02 asciilifeform one wag asked why they did not drop an ordinary bomb, with same amount of trotyl as the emp vircator bomb, on the station
19:02 asciilifeform taking it out - permanently
19:02 asciilifeform he was not promoted.
19:03 asciilifeform chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
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19:03 asciilifeform because 'humane! destroy only his machines!' or something.
19:04 asciilifeform dr p (author of linked book) did design a tank shell, marketed as 'atropus', that zaps electronics of victim - but, at point blank range! idea is that tank inevitably has exposed antennae, regardless of what kind of armour it has
19:04 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/coinjelly-exchange-warns-users-they-have-24-hours-to-remove-coins/
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00060449 = 20.3411 BTC [-] {2}
19:08 asciilifeform see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523096
19:08 assbot Logged on 23-02-2014 06:27:42; asciilifeform: and picture 100% of the chemical energy converted into a radio emission of whichever type you prefer.
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19:40 mats my mind implodes at the number of stupid things in this bill.
19:41 BingoBoingo mats: Feel like submitting a write up of the damage to qntra?
19:46 mats no, sorry
19:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12167 @ 0.00059185 = 7.201 BTC [-]
19:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and if you're going to, wait for the fuhrer to rubber-stamp it. as i understand, they can still screw with the contents until this is done.
19:56 mircea_popescu anyone want oyvey.in ?
20:02 mircea_popescu ;;ud dfw
20:02 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dfw | dfw. Down For Whatever ... as in... I totally want to hang with you and I am interested in doing anything cool. Emphasis on being psyched to chill and hang out.
20:10 mthreat ;;ud dtf
20:10 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTF | DOWN TO GET THAT DICK DTFNE1 down to fuck any 1. She's DTF, She wants my dick in or around her mouth! - SuperBad. by KENDALL L January 01, 2008.
20:10 mircea_popescu o.O
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20737 @ 0.00037405 = 7.7567 BTC [-] {5}
20:13 BingoBoingo http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars
20:13 assbot #GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDTr8j )
20:13 mircea_popescu heh.
20:14 BingoBoingo Oh noes Sony was the reddit police all along http://time.com/3629768/sony-hack-hackers/
20:14 assbot Sony Is Disrupting Downloads of its Hacked Files ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDTMb2 )
20:14 mircea_popescu lol
20:15 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
20:15 mircea_popescu this has got to be the most pathetic thing ever.
20:16 asciilifeform SOP actually
20:16 asciilifeform there are entire firms who specialize in 'legit' ddos
20:17 BingoBoingo Sony's prolly going to get party vanned for using LOIC
20:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
20:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00060333 = 50.9814 BTC [+] {4}
20:19 mircea_popescu yeah ? i wanna see this sony license.
20:20 BingoBoingo Jupiter is going to be pissed he was just compared to Sony
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00061707 = 12.4111 BTC [+]
20:28 mats https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting/
20:28 assbot Open WhisperSystems >> Blog >> Advanced cryptographic ratcheting ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFaKCf )
20:30 mircea_popescu interesting.
~ 22 minutes ~
20:52 * mircea_popescu stepped into #dogecoin for a moment.
20:52 mircea_popescu now my hdd is getting raped at the rate of 1mb of nonsense/minute
20:59 mats http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars
20:59 assbot #GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( http://bit.ly/1x7OlBO )
21:00 mircea_popescu yeah was here before.
21:00 mircea_popescu apparently the libtards lose again.
21:01 mircea_popescu somehow asciilifeform still believes they're running things tho :D
21:02 mats we all got fringe opinions
21:03 mircea_popescu hehe i guess we do yeah.
21:03 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/additional-information-on-a-normal-man-aka-john-d-powell/
21:04 cazalla http://sharethezing.blogspot.com is the guy's blog where he writes about his wife and his decision to swing which resulted in her fucking and him watching
21:04 assbot Share The Zing ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWnzds )
21:05 mats i've read about this phenomenon in here...
21:05 cazalla so basically, his wife fucked him, mtgox fucked him and then big daddy USG came and fucked him one last time for good measure
21:06 mircea_popescu http://www.literotica.com/s/3-days-of-watching-my-wife-fuck etc
21:06 assbot 3 Days of Watching my Wife Fuck - Loving Wives - Literotica.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWnPsV )
21:06 cazalla mats, yeah, lots of it on trilema along with tyrone fantasies
21:06 mircea_popescu so what of it ?
21:07 cazalla mircea_popescu, those stories are more for women than men?
21:07 cazalla i might be inclined to read a story/book after the act, but not before
21:07 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
21:08 cazalla in that romance novels are more of a thing for women
21:08 mircea_popescu mebbe so.
21:09 * xanthyos is cloaked :)
21:09 mircea_popescu i tihnk the guy gave up.
21:09 cazalla xanthyos, dagger still broken?
21:09 xanthyos work in progress
21:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.0005966 = 21.6864 BTC [-] {3}
21:11 mats what a depressing blog
21:14 cazalla mats, prob why he took a plea, just ready to lay down and die
21:14 mats hes finally ready to meet a nice man
21:16 mats i'm getting a 502 on qntra
21:22 cazalla ddos might be back, was loading slow for me earlier
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21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00059548 = 22.8962 BTC [-] {2}
21:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1177 @ 0.0012 = 1.4124 BTC
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22:07 asciilifeform somehow asciilifeform still believes they're running things tho << ahaha lol, which 'they.'
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.0005931 = 11.276 BTC [-]
22:15 ben_vulpes <fluffypony> I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408 << love how you're leaning into your own profile pic
22:15 assbot Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: /blockchain.info published private keys. http://t.co/B6tmulgmyY
22:17 ben_vulpes <fluffypony> that particular one is a payment processor << what happened to the mining rig rack fab operating out of africa?
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5862 @ 0.00061492 = 3.6047 BTC [+]
22:21 ben_vulpes <danielpbarron> heh, i've robotripped a few times << danielpbarron you are delightfully eccentric
22:21 mats robotripping is filthy
22:23 mats a 'poor man's trip' if you will
22:23 ben_vulpes see also: salvia
22:24 ben_vulpes "coward's trip" when i was a teen.
22:24 BingoBoingo It's an awful hangover.
22:27 ben_vulpes <mats> afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << if not twelve.
22:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18192 @ 0.00059192 = 10.7682 BTC [-] {2}
22:28 ben_vulpes rockets are ~9.
22:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see eotvos thread. it isn't a matter of price tag.
22:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the folks spending the 12 are charlatans.
22:29 ben_vulpes roundaboutly saying that one can't buy legitimacy from the entrenched idiots.
22:30 ben_vulpes a) their ask is too high and b) they don't sell legitimacy.
22:30 ben_vulpes rockets at least - either go into orbit or not.
22:31 * ben_vulpes fired up the 52" tv on loan from a client today
22:31 ben_vulpes just to loop CATO videos
22:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: today, only mars, god of war, is selling legitimacy.
22:32 asciilifeform installment plan.
22:33 ben_vulpes i've given up on rockets.
22:33 ben_vulpes i'll be satisfied to slave for mars building agile jet-ruiners and ghetto turrets
22:35 ben_vulpes king of this continent isn't worth the piss in my urethra much less the fruit of my loins.
22:36 mats so subversive
22:37 ben_vulpes this, from the infantryman.
22:37 mats sapper, actually.
22:38 mats trained at leonard wood, not benning
22:39 ben_vulpes hah you don't say
22:39 mats not as interesting as it sounds
22:40 BingoBoingo At least mats hasn't err'd yet
22:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26613 @ 0.00061216 = 16.2914 BTC [+]
22:40 ben_vulpes he's a sapper though. implicitly - err'd once.
22:41 ben_vulpes <mike_c> kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods? << perhaps consider my humble app factory
22:42 mats i sweat balls for 16 weeks in MO, and unlucky enough to end up in a unit that just returned from a rotation into hell
22:42 ben_vulpes mike_c: we're masters of the bezzletronic arts of quality app authorship
22:42 mats never got to take the fight to the enemy. a real sadness in my life
22:43 ben_vulpes what enemy lol
22:43 mats its all relative
22:43 BingoBoingo Here's a secret about Missouri.... The weather never has a pleasant season.
22:43 mats i could've lived with having fought against men with guns
22:44 mats i'm a simple guy with simple rules
22:44 mats moral ambiguity is for other people.
22:45 mats my hands are clean, but not because i was unwilling to bloody them
22:45 ben_vulpes well you're here now.
22:45 mats now i'm just another dude that sits down all day and talks at computers
22:45 mats funny how that happens?
22:46 ben_vulpes ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
22:46 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
22:46 ben_vulpes ah get fucked gribble
22:46 ben_vulpes ;;eauth ben_vulpes
22:46 gribble Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
22:46 ben_vulpes ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0e038a622e6f3b912336a9eae37bf66a22cf0397410a29f5a410e5d9
22:46 gribble You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
22:46 ben_vulpes ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
22:46 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mats has changed from 1 to 1.
22:47 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Sappe only gets to err once, because after Erring there is no more sapper
22:47 ben_vulpes some say the sapper errs twice
22:47 ben_vulpes first, in choice of career.
22:51 * mats returns to burying face in case law
23:05 BingoBoingo !up ryanxcharles
23:05 ben_vulpes the ecmaboi's back!
23:08 ben_vulpes ryanxcharles: come on buddhi be a buddhi
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23:23 BingoBoingo !up badon
23:24 BingoBoingo !up ryanxcharles
23:27 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:40 Vexual wow, xbox live taking bitcoin, some kids are gonna start learning the value of money
23:41 BingoBoingo Maybe, or maybe they will keep talking about urmom
23:41 Vexual well shes gonna find out too
23:43 Vexual how does bitpay work? can the kids tack on a few bucks when theay ask mom for xbox moneys?
23:45 Vexual bits even
23:46 Vexual future whinge: i spent 10bc on halo
23:46 Vexual all i got was sore thumbs
23:49 Vexual funnily fiats have had "designed for windows mobile" stickers on them
23:49 Vexual next to the usb hole
23:51 Vexual afiak just on the cheap high volume shit
23:53 Vexual thats not funny at all, i've lost my mojo
23:57 Vexual fuck it, i'm off to write just shoot me fan fiction
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