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00:00 mircea_popescu adlai what about the profiler ?
00:01 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007633 + sampling data
00:01 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
00:01 Vexual all business
00:02 mircea_popescu well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so.
00:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: adlai is correct, any decent modern commonlisp gives you asm/disasm
00:04 asciilifeform sbcl doesn't even -include- an interpreter.
00:04 asciilifeform (and doesn't need one)
00:05 mircea_popescu i never said otherwise!
00:06 asciilifeform * (disassemble '(lambda (x) (+ x 3)))
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00:06 asciilifeform ; disassembly for (LAMBDA (X))
00:06 asciilifeform ; 059DF529: 488B55F8 MOV RDX, [RBP-8] ; no-arg-parsing entry point
00:06 asciilifeform ; 2D: BF06000000 MOV EDI, 6
00:06 asciilifeform ; 32: 4C8D1C25E0010020 LEA R11, [#x200001E0] ; GENERIC-+
00:06 asciilifeform ; 3A: 41FFD3 CALL R11
00:06 asciilifeform ; 3D: 480F42E3 CMOVB RSP, RBX
00:06 asciilifeform ; 41: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP
00:06 asciilifeform ; 44: F8 CLC
00:06 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6lQGbr_SU
00:06 asciilifeform ; 45: 5D POP RBP
00:06 asciilifeform ; 46: C3 RET
00:06 asciilifeform ; 47: CC0A BREAK 10 ; error trap
00:06 asciilifeform ; 49: 02 BYTE #X02
00:06 asciilifeform ; 4A: 18 BYTE #X18 ; INVALID-ARG-COUNT-ERROR
00:06 asciilifeform ; 4B: 54 BYTE #X54 ; RCX
00:06 asciilifeform NIL
00:06 asciilifeform ^ example
00:07 asciilifeform (amd64, for the very unalert reader)
00:07 decimation lol @ vexual
00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112120 @ 0.00037463 = 42.0035 BTC [-] {2}
00:07 Vexual such interjection
00:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that asm code breaks on https << unknown instruction
00:08 asciilifeform lol!
00:08 asciilifeform Vexual wins again.
00:08 mircea_popescu incidentally this is a shitty asm!
00:10 asciilifeform * (defun foo (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (+ x 3))
00:10 asciilifeform FOO
00:10 asciilifeform * (disassemble 'foo)
00:10 asciilifeform ; disassembly for FOO
00:10 asciilifeform ; 059E2CC2: 488D4203 LEA RAX, [RDX+3] ; no-arg-parsing entry point
00:10 asciilifeform ; C6: 486BD002 IMUL RDX, RAX, 2
00:10 asciilifeform ; CA: 710E JNO L0
00:10 asciilifeform ; CC: 488BD0 MOV RDX, RAX
00:10 asciilifeform ; CF: 4C8D1C25D0050020 LEA R11, [#x200005D0] ; ALLOC-SIGNED-BIGNUM-IN-RDX
00:10 asciilifeform ; D7: 41FFD3 CALL R11
00:10 asciilifeform ; DA: L0: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP
00:10 asciilifeform ; DD: F8 CLC
00:10 asciilifeform ; DE: 5D POP RBP
00:10 asciilifeform ; DF: C3 RET
00:10 asciilifeform NIL
00:10 asciilifeform ^ here we've pulled the safety out.
00:10 ben_vulpes groovy jams Vexual
00:10 asciilifeform this gives us around 80-95% of 'c' speed
00:10 asciilifeform (in typical case)
00:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1) it's a disasm 2) you won't see what you're almost certainly expecting to see (add rax, 3...) , because lispy memory architecture is still in use
00:12 mircea_popescu moar like the evil one's used to
00:13 asciilifeform i won't say this is the world's best illustration, but it took no more than half a minute to generate.
00:13 asciilifeform perhaps adlai would care to offer a neater one.
00:14 Vexual thanks ben_vulpes
00:14 ben_vulpes !gettrust assbot Vexual
00:14 assbot Vexual is not registered in WoT.
00:15 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
00:15 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
00:15 Vexual fuck off cnt
00:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69580 @ 0.0003735 = 25.9881 BTC [-]
00:15 ben_vulpes first citizen of -assets
00:15 ben_vulpes up yours, buddhi
00:15 decimation I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening
00:16 decimation !down decimation
00:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one.
00:16 mircea_popescu you'd normally expect the opposite
00:16 asciilifeform lol, 'java' barfed bytecode routinely (on debug)
00:16 asciilifeform !up gabriel_laddel
00:16 mircea_popescu wasn't this improved out of it ?
00:16 gabriel_laddel ty
00:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was
00:17 mircea_popescu kinda my point.
00:17 ben_vulpes good evening gabriel_laddel!
00:18 gabriel_laddel regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth.
00:18 mircea_popescu an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry
00:18 * asciilifeform read 'let over lambda', was not terribly thrilled
00:18 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: Hello. How is life treating you?
00:19 asciilifeform that book had possibly the spammiest jacket, for reasonably sane subject matter, of any crackpot self-pub work ever printed.
00:19 * asciilifeform blows dust off LOL
00:19 asciilifeform 'only the top percentile of programmers... if you can understand this book, you are in the top...'
00:20 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read.
00:20 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo
00:20 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard
00:20 adlai http://paste.lisp.org/+34DL
00:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SQTm )
00:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os
00:21 * ben_vulpes resists temptation to troll alf
00:21 ben_vulpes i know, i know.
00:21 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: can you run gentoo on your macbook?
00:21 ben_vulpes but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176250 @ 0.00038187 = 67.3046 BTC [+] {3}
00:21 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: laugh, but that's actually what i used mine for
00:21 * asciilifeform blows dust off 'macbook air'
00:22 Vexual powerpc?
00:22 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.
00:22 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?
00:22 asciilifeform on strange iron?
00:23 ben_vulpes forgive me, but is it all not strange?
00:23 ben_vulpes i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.
00:23 asciilifeform anyone even has suspend-to-ram working on linux-on-apple ?
00:23 asciilifeform gpu?
00:23 asciilifeform the demented 'broadcom' wireless nics?
00:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: okay okay!
00:24 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs
00:24 ben_vulpes what do you mean by "strange iron", though?
00:24 asciilifeform actually for all i know, they might
00:24 asciilifeform it was long ago that i last tried.
00:24 asciilifeform strange iron being, say, that very same 'air' (circa '09)
00:25 asciilifeform as in 'that which few have gentood before'
00:25 Vexual yah mean safari?
00:25 ben_vulpes is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?
00:25 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i somehow got the impression that you were considering gentoo-on-applehw
00:25 gabriel_laddel that is what he's considering.
00:25 ben_vulpes myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.
00:26 Vexual do tell
00:26 asciilifeform describing the gotchas from the last time i personally tried this.
00:26 ben_vulpes ah.
00:26 asciilifeform not necessarily current.
00:27 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?
00:27 asciilifeform in case ben_vulpes wants to play with it on one of his existing stock macs
00:28 ben_vulpes i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it
00:28 mod6 ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging.
00:28 asciilifeform on what?
00:28 asciilifeform (stump on mac?!?)
00:29 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: :D
00:29 asciilifeform lol!
00:29 asciilifeform this actually works as expected ?
00:29 ben_vulpes why so amuse?
00:29 ben_vulpes well
00:29 ben_vulpes "as expected"
00:29 asciilifeform or only within a running x11
00:29 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
00:29 ben_vulpes mas tracks sil vous plait Vexual
00:30 Vexual oui
00:30 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: only within x11
00:30 Vexual yah long bit
00:30 asciilifeform ah then
00:30 * asciilifeform was about to be surprised
00:30 mod6 i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet. however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet.
00:30 ben_vulpes why would one bother with the native cruftery?
00:31 mod6 i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point.
00:31 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i can't help but wonder how many folks carry around 'mac' as just a unix box with a very peculiar set of window decorations
00:31 mircea_popescu here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of Führers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high
00:31 mircea_popescu sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin
00:31 mircea_popescu g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally."
00:31 asciilifeform guessing - quite a few
00:32 mircea_popescu a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist
00:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x
00:32 ben_vulpes net result?
00:32 ben_vulpes total failure.
00:32 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs
00:33 ben_vulpes Vexual: stale.
00:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint
00:33 Vexual penis you
00:33 mircea_popescu but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block
00:33 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.
00:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i assume you built them for x11
00:33 asciilifeform or ^
00:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where did you get them?!
00:33 ben_vulpes mno, i am a nixy pleb
00:33 Vexual liar
00:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually this very wedge (though differing tx id) has been documented in the past. see last night's log.
00:34 ben_vulpes while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently
00:34 mircea_popescu well is it the same ?
00:34 asciilifeform but afaik no one posted a meaningful dumped block
00:35 mircea_popescu right.
00:35 mod6 how can i do that?
00:35 mod6 need guidence
00:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you were trying to get $proggy built for apple's gui to draw on an x11 instance, i regret to inform you that this won't work...
00:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!
00:36 asciilifeform http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png << these do work
00:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Xxg5 )
00:36 ben_vulpes instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3
00:36 asciilifeform http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/idekiller.jpg << as do these
00:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5XzVc )
00:37 Vexual 053 becomes a thing
00:37 mircea_popescu if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post
00:37 asciilifeform ^
00:38 mircea_popescu also blkindex.dat
00:38 ben_vulpes tips on running for precisely a single block?
00:38 mircea_popescu there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle
00:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger ? renice everyything ?
00:39 mod6 during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector: http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A
00:39 assbot dpaste: 1E4QQ9A ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Yp4d )
00:39 mod6 think that's the one to check?
00:40 mircea_popescu mod6 they become full at 2gb
00:40 mircea_popescu whichever's not 2gb is the one you're working on
00:40 mod6 (This was from inside where it does VerifySignature())
00:41 mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. nighty!
00:42 mod6 looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb
00:42 mod6 anyway, thanks guise.
00:44 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwGWJMM740
00:44 ben_vulpes pfff
00:48 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvcdEx-kdSk so jazzy
00:51 Vexual stil drink peroni
00:51 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access
00:52 ben_vulpes maaaaaas, Vexual
00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50620 @ 0.0003758 = 19.023 BTC [-] {2}
00:54 Vexual ja neber descibe
00:58 cazalla oh that argentine pres.. what a racist! http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/04/argentinian-president-racist-joke-china-trip
00:58 assbot Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner attacked for 'racist' Chinese joke | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I63Ikf )
00:58 punkman I setup a 0.5.3.1 node yesterday, stuck on 168000 today
00:59 ben_vulpes thanks for the repro, punkman
00:59 punkman (on debian wheezy, rev_bump patch)
00:59 ben_vulpes would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3?
00:59 ben_vulpes with a known-good blocksource?
01:01 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
01:01 phillipsjk I don't think 0.5.3 supports bootstrap.dat, but I could be wrong.
01:01 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything?
01:03 BingoBoingo Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page http://qntra.net/categories/ now lives
01:03 assbot Categories | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65hi8 )
01:03 ben_vulpes oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo?
01:03 punkman ben_vulpes: what's a known-good blocksource?
01:03 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks
01:04 ben_vulpes the pay, not so much
01:04 asciilifeform http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << of historical interest, re: fdr and u.s. brass
01:04 assbot The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65D8o )
01:04 danielpbarron here's some progress: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build-nohup-tail.txt <- http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
01:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65G48 )
01:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I65DFj )
01:04 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Nah, hand listed at least for now. Over the next month or two will work on making categories more useful for browsing since mike_c wanted it so
01:04 ben_vulpes punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks
01:05 punkman ben_vulpes: I had one of BingoBoingo's nodes plus dnsseed
01:05 asciilifeform 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer, her ambitious captain and seemingly fumbling crew were placed under arrest and sent to Bermuda for trial. it was the first time in the history of the United States Navy that an entire ship and her company had been arrested. The William D. Porter was surrounded by Marines when it docked in Bermuda and was held there for several days as the closed-session inquiry attempted to find out what ha
01:05 asciilifeform d happened.'
01:06 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TzGV6YNmEM << what is this shit Vexual
01:06 assbot Bok van Blerk - Land van Melk en Heuning (AMPTELIKE HD MUSIEK VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I66qGt )
01:08 trinque asciilifeform: I once finished gentoo quest on a two-generations-back macbook pro
01:08 * trinque laments his misspent youth
01:09 asciilifeform trinque: finished in the sense of there not remaining a single peripheral that could be described as not entirely working to spec ?
01:09 asciilifeform even, e.g., power management ?
01:09 trinque yep
01:09 asciilifeform neato.
01:09 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ^
01:09 trinque I still have the kernel config somewheres
01:10 trinque that said fuck that shit; I'm sure there's an easier machine to deal with
01:10 trinque and that is decidedly not anything lenovo's squeezed out recently
01:11 ben_vulpes oh asciilifeform that's a great story
01:12 asciilifeform trinque: ever found the 'easier machine' ?
01:12 punkman jurov: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this << I had one of these. It doesn't have wifi or built-in NAND, has SATA, can run off battery. Doesn't need binary blobs if you don't care about GPU.
01:12 assbot A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1I68gak )
01:12 trinque asciilifeform: nah, tis but the rambling of an addict who will never find his fix
01:12 punkman but also it died the other day, and no warranty
01:12 asciilifeform punkman: unfortunately - expensive. and no chassis/powersupply
01:12 trinque -or- when the hell do I get a dataflowputer
01:12 trinque :D
01:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129202 @ 0.00036638 = 47.337 BTC [-] {2}
01:13 trinque I was thinking my love of relational databases (view composition, etc) would map to that model pretty well
01:20 trinque there's this idea of streaming queries that's been kicked around a bit
01:20 trinque sounds sort of like what I read on loper
01:21 asciilifeform when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ?
01:22 ben_vulpes every night these koans
01:22 ben_vulpes every night my tiny brain
01:23 trinque zen stick's good for ya, haha
01:24 trinque asciilifeform: yes, the power has been declared to be, then the lamp may make use of that fact as it does
01:25 trinque vs say asking "hm, at this point in time are there electrons moving in this wire?" *plug* "Yes." *unplug*
01:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure.
01:26 asciilifeform except that this is an astonishingly abstruse model for what the lamp/socket do.
01:26 trinque select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles that occur after the query was begun
01:26 asciilifeform that nobody in his right mind would normally suggest.
01:26 asciilifeform why, then, suggest it for a computer program?
01:27 trinque why suggest relational modeling?
01:27 trinque lots of reasons treated by smarter guys than myself
01:27 asciilifeform 'streaming query'
01:27 trinque "new shit came to light"
01:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What of lamps that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power, totally a query.
01:28 asciilifeform what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts.
01:28 trinque BingoBoingo: or say I only read when the light is on
01:29 trinque the reactive model of just firing up reading when there's some light to do it by is nice
01:29 ben_vulpes <Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary
01:29 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. << If pilot is gassy enough why not? Optimize diet for flight.
01:30 asciilifeform or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be.
01:30 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront
01:30 ben_vulpes idling by my bicycle
01:30 ben_vulpes doing nothing of import, minding my own business
01:30 ben_vulpes goose *catches my eye*!
01:30 phillipsjk DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
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01:30 assbot Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6edUF )
01:30 ben_vulpes i shit you not it makes eye contact
01:31 ben_vulpes and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me
01:31 trinque ben_vulpes: "bitch!" spans many species, lol
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212700 @ 0.00036541 = 77.7227 BTC [-] {4}
01:31 phillipsjk !gettrust Deathandtaxes
01:31 assbot Deathandtaxes is not registered in WoT.
01:31 asciilifeform exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other.
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01:31 ben_vulpes now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
01:32 phillipsjk s/basked/based
01:32 ben_vulpes conclusion of story left for reader
01:32 trinque asciilifeform: I'll do it while wiping my paper with ass
01:32 asciilifeform !b 5
01:32 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09VBVWZ.txt )
01:33 ben_vulpes and lo, i am logged.
01:33 ben_vulpes my toy bitcoinds, wedged.
01:33 * asciilifeform off to indent a bed.
01:33 ben_vulpes my girl, somnulent.
01:33 trinque my booze, gone
01:34 ben_vulpes mine is not!
01:34 ben_vulpes although i have no fags left
01:34 * ben_vulpes elbows trinque
01:34 ben_vulpes smokes, let's go!
01:35 trinque ben_vulpes: I'm deedbottin
01:35 trinque to-night!
01:36 ben_vulpes get it done!
01:36 trinque let me get the thing to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig
01:37 ben_vulpes go go go
01:37 ben_vulpes i've got...
01:37 ben_vulpes a glass of tinto left?
01:37 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume
01:39 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack?
01:40 trinque BingoBoingo: he'd be arrested for... fowl molestation
01:41 BingoBoingo trinque: I mean bird disappears into his sack, not his sack disappeared into bird for a bit.
01:44 ben_vulpes http://bernardlunn.com/2015/02/03/change-the-bank-by-importing-startup-culture/ << makes muh brain hurt
01:44 assbot Change The Bank By Importing StartUp Culture | Fintech by Bernard Lunn ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6i0kE )
01:45 trinque ben_vulpes: hah yes let the banks imitate the fucking valley
01:45 trinque please do
01:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16989 @ 0.00037081 = 6.2997 BTC [+]
01:47 punkman damn, 200mb debug.log
01:47 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
01:47 ben_vulpes !gettrust phillipsjk
01:47 assbot Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
01:48 ben_vulpes from namworld?
01:48 ben_vulpes are you fucking kidding me?
01:48 punkman ben_vulpes, I'm working on "1-click" deploy/build/run/log ansible playbook
01:49 phillipsjk ;;later tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope the 1MB line in the sand is not simply a power-trip.
01:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:49 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: who are you anyways?
01:50 phillipsjk ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I trade with him
01:50 ben_vulpes yeah no clearly i can read that much
01:50 phillipsjk *traded
01:50 ben_vulpes no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
01:50 phillipsjk http://phillipsjk.ca/resume2014.html
01:50 assbot Resume for James Phillips ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6k3Fm )
01:51 ben_vulpes absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
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01:51 phillipsjk Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year?
01:52 ben_vulpes no, not at all.
01:52 ben_vulpes ./bitcoind -datadir=my_butt/ -daemon
01:52 ben_vulpes no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
01:52 trinque b-b-but my pulse!
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01:52 ben_vulpes back to the deeds, you
01:53 ben_vulpes don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
01:53 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot muxne
01:53 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
01:53 trinque :( sad thought
01:53 ben_vulpes !gettrust assbot muxne
01:53 assbot muxne is not registered in WoT.
01:53 ben_vulpes kakobrekla:
01:53 ben_vulpes i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
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01:53 punkman ^ no gpg key
01:54 punkman !up Vexual
01:54 ben_vulpes ah ha
01:56 phillipsjk Well, if I ever get my Money Service Business registered, I will let you know.
01:56 ben_vulpes dude
01:56 ben_vulpes you're not registering shit
01:57 * phillipsjk has not worke on that in like 75 days months
01:57 ben_vulpes the mind boggles.
01:58 ben_vulpes why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
01:58 Vexual what are you actually trying to do?
01:58 ben_vulpes Vexual: tunes, let's go
01:59 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-YJ3z4oPrI pearler
01:59 phillipsjk Buy and sell BItcoin following the *letter* of the law. I am passive-aggressive that way.
01:59 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEGY3x3dMI
01:59 assbot Black Sails OST - The Golden Vanity (feat Doug Lacy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zCaiaV )
01:59 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
01:59 Vexual that got elanors tits? punkman?
02:00 punkman no tits
02:01 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
02:01 Vexual ross about to get sentenced
02:02 ben_vulpes bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
02:03 ben_vulpes the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
02:05 ben_vulpes even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
02:05 phillipsjk The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either that, or remain a niche. We are talking less than 1 million users world-wide.
02:06 ben_vulpes you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
02:06 danielpbarron how is that even a problem?
02:06 phillipsjk Death and taxes made a table.
02:06 trinque /markov
02:06 ben_vulpes dpaste it
02:06 Vexual penis
02:06 ben_vulpes i know no death and taxes
02:07 ben_vulpes forum posts carry no weight here.
02:07 ben_vulpes a table lol do mine eyes deceive me
02:07 ben_vulpes trinque: i pour!
02:07 Vexual look at my codebus dls
02:07 trinque I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb turds up to the server
02:08 trinque ben_vulpes: better just finish that yerself
02:08 ben_vulpes bwahaha
02:08 danielpbarron it's not that banks are bad; it's that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something
02:09 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
02:10 phillipsjk https://dpaste.de/oUck Quadruple the numbers for 8TPS
02:10 assbot dpaste.de: Snippet #302180 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6pMeu )
02:11 trinque phillipsjk: dem stats is not the fucking point
02:11 trinque what TPS will the network do if it fails entirely?
02:11 ben_vulpes no no no no no
02:11 trinque or hell, let me run trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be the whole network
02:11 phillipsjk well, that would be about 0.
02:12 trinque and I'll do a goddamn million tps
02:12 ben_vulpes bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
02:12 ben_vulpes it is not visa, ffs.
02:12 ben_vulpes it is not mastercard.
02:12 ben_vulpes it is not even swift.
02:12 ben_vulpes if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
02:12 trinque GOLD.
02:12 trinque get your forklift
02:12 phillipsjk How many transaction per decade do you expect people to need?
02:13 danielpbarron i feel like this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading the log for 6 months or so :p
02:13 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: right?
02:13 ben_vulpes too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
02:13 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
02:14 phillipsjk The top 1% will be lucky to buy Bitcoin once per decade.
02:14 danielpbarron stock up
02:14 punkman phillipsjk: the proposal is not to have 1MB block forever and ever
02:15 ben_vulpes <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
02:15 trinque ben_vulpes: requires equipment and *taps noggin*
02:15 trinque all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once the thing itself is safe
02:15 trinque right now it's nowhere near safe
02:16 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
02:16 trinque you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
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02:16 ben_vulpes trinque: tell me about it.
02:17 ben_vulpes at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
02:18 phillipsjk ben_vulpes, I have always assumed that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I think I mentioned that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.)
02:19 ben_vulpes anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
02:19 danielpbarron are we supposed to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read the history here?
02:20 phillipsjk Well, I guess I have to read logs to learn your "roadmap"
02:20 punkman debug.log snippet for my node stuck on 168000: http://dpaste.com/3SS8V6X.txt
02:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6sTTN )
02:20 punkman looks same as mod6's
02:20 ben_vulpes ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
02:20 phillipsjk danielpbarron, not really, no.
02:20 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: what roadmap
02:20 ben_vulpes bitcoin is.
02:21 ben_vulpes and it ain't changing.
02:22 punkman did anyone try running phoundation's 0.6 ?
02:22 phillipsjk It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam.
02:23 punkman phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
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02:23 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
02:24 fluffypony phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196400 @ 0.00036017 = 70.7374 BTC [-] {2}
02:24 phillipsjk <ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
02:25 ben_vulpes yes, i said that.
02:25 punkman not just scarcity, slower block propagation can be disastrous
02:25 trinque dude the average block size has to be what, 250kb right now?
02:25 ben_vulpes the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
02:26 ben_vulpes once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
02:26 ben_vulpes propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
02:26 ben_vulpes today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
02:27 phillipsjk I always cringe when lusers on the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation" times.
02:28 phillipsjk That is the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block|
02:29 phillipsjk Well, thanks for the chat.
02:29 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
02:30 phillipsjk So is Bitcoin.
02:30 punkman So is earth.
02:31 phillipsjk Currently Bitcoin is testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible.
02:31 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
02:31 ben_vulpes no, it's possible.
02:31 ben_vulpes the sigs hash.
02:31 ben_vulpes the blocks chain.
02:31 ben_vulpes the experiment succeded.
02:32 ben_vulpes scuse me, monero is a "hobby".
02:32 ben_vulpes there is no "testing" of bitcoin.
02:32 trinque will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain?
02:32 ben_vulpes the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
02:32 ben_vulpes trinque: TIAS
02:33 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
02:33 trinque ben_vulpes: wat
02:33 punkman trinque: if you can build the transaction elsewhere
02:33 ben_vulpes Try It And See
02:33 trinque ben_vulpes: no way sounds lame
02:33 ben_vulpes Welcome to BITCOIN
02:34 phillipsjk No, back in 2009, my ISP said that they reserve the right to "inject ads in the browser". I have been singing my e-mail ever since.
02:34 ben_vulpes trinque: i'd hope so.
02:34 ben_vulpes i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night
02:34 trinque lol
02:35 ben_vulpes back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher
02:35 BingoBoingo <phillipsjk> It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. << His definition of spam is both more complex and stupider than that
02:36 punkman "let's block fee paying transactions, yay!"
02:36 phillipsjk BingoBoingo, for some strange reason, I don't doubt you.
02:36 ben_vulpes the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low.
02:37 ben_vulpes especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics.
02:37 ben_vulpes ;;ident phillipsjk
02:37 gribble Nick 'phillipsjk', with hostmask 'phillipsjk!~james@unaffiliated/phillipsjk', is not identified.
02:37 ben_vulpes oh well clearly fuck right off then.
02:37 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
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02:37 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for phillipsjk with note: get back to me in six months
02:37 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ben_vulpes.1:d92e6c6794ef16570291b960cfc1f164b7e1dd41eb85d812c2ecfe1b9f870592
02:37 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: a *real* bitcoin dev
02:37 ben_vulpes oh gosh don't do that danielpbarron
02:38 ben_vulpes you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring
02:38 ben_vulpes :P
02:38 ben_vulpes how is this phillipsjk voiced again?
02:39 phillipsjk I authe with assbot, not gribble.
02:39 phillipsjk !down
02:39 phillipsjk !down phillipsjk
02:39 ben_vulpes no, you're not even identified.
02:39 ben_vulpes mm oh
02:39 punkman ;;ident ben_vulpes
02:39 gribble Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
02:40 ben_vulpes *sigh*
02:40 ben_vulpes FINE
02:40 ben_vulpes ;;ident ben_vulpes
02:40 gribble Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
02:40 ben_vulpes ;;eauth ben_vulpes
02:40 gribble Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
02:40 punkman we don't really do that anymore
02:40 ben_vulpes ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff
02:40 gribble You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
02:40 ben_vulpes punkman: no, but it makes a point.
02:41 ben_vulpes my tooling works.
02:41 trinque deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
02:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6yUQq )
02:41 punkman add-key?
02:42 ben_vulpes yeah, what is this add-key?
02:42 trinque deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
02:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6zfCs )
02:42 trinque doo eeeet
02:42 trinque something's not talking to something *crawls back under car*
02:42 ben_vulpes !s testing in production
02:42 assbot 19 results for 'testing in production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=testing+in+production
02:42 trinque add-key adds your public key to the bot's keyring
02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00037334 = 55.329 BTC [+] {3}
02:43 trinque ben_vulpes: nah works in pm
02:43 trinque I think that's a setting
02:43 trinque anyhow add-key adds your key *if* you're in assbot's L1 or L2
02:44 danielpbarron doesn't the bot know your key if it knows you're in the l2?
02:44 trinque add-deed noms a gpg signed document and queues it for timestamping
02:45 trinque danielpbarron: you give it your key; it checks the web api, adds the key to the keyring if you're in l1/l2
02:45 trinque as per spec
02:45 trinque and only eats docs with signatures it can verify
02:46 danielpbarron ah
02:48 ben_vulpes deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
02:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 )
02:48 ben_vulpes that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque
02:49 trinque ben_vulpes: duh
02:49 ben_vulpes ALL I HAVE IS DUH
02:49 ben_vulpes LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE
02:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00038368 = 37.3436 BTC [+] {2}
02:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42136 @ 0.00038734 = 16.321 BTC [+] {2}
02:51 trinque !up deedbot-
02:51 punkman lol
02:51 trinque deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1F6JBV6.txt
02:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/16jKyFV )
02:51 deedbot- imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
02:51 trinque deerrrrppp
02:51 ben_vulpes deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
02:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6B0Q8 )
02:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
02:51 danielpbarron !b 17
02:51 assbot Last 17 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02BHHPQ.txt )
02:52 ben_vulpes is the flatfile host up yet?
02:52 trinque deedbot.org
02:53 trinque I'm fiddling with the publisher
02:53 ben_vulpes dat unstyled text
02:53 ben_vulpes turns me on
02:53 trinque probably will have no css
02:53 ben_vulpes no css is best css
02:54 ben_vulpes mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer
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03:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31019 @ 0.00038861 = 12.0543 BTC [+]
03:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 19493 @ 0.00096996 = 18.9074 BTC [+] {11}
03:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0009705 = 1.941 BTC [+] {2}
03:18 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBis7_FhgmQ
03:18 assbot Frames Janco - No Sleep [Prod. by SouthWest] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PRFI5 )
03:18 punkman !up Vexual
03:21 punkman !up deedbot-
03:22 Vexual didnt james franco cut his arm of for sport?
03:23 BingoBoingo Bioshock is real life
03:23 BingoBoingo http://io9.com/confirmation-that-photosynthesizing-sea-slugs-steal-gen-1683702602
03:23 assbot Confirmation That Photosynthesizing Sea Slugs Steal Genes From Algae ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSfp1 )
03:23 Vexual bioshokc pron is a thing
03:24 Vexual forget bix
03:25 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgaRgcDeFI
03:25 assbot Hazel - Dayglo [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSyAl )
03:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00038861 = 13.5625 BTC [+]
03:27 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YW_RqTuZMw
03:27 assbot BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Ray Gun ft. DOOM (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PSNv4 )
03:27 danielpbarron height=185126
03:28 punkman danielpbarron: with orphanage burner?
03:28 danielpbarron not sure
03:28 danielpbarron that's the one ascii compiled and hosted
03:28 danielpbarron i hope i'm close to getting it compiled myself
03:29 danielpbarron !s pogo
03:29 assbot 78 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
03:30 danielpbarron Vexual, ^
03:30 punkman danielpbarron: this one? "bitcoin-armv5-bastard includes the 'orphanage burner'"
03:32 danielpbarron ya
03:32 Vexual ill be loadinging up m old eeepc
03:32 danielpbarron oh i forgot he made two of them
03:32 Vexual maybe if it owrks
03:33 Vexual ive obly got one?
03:34 Vexual luckily the book doesnt nessitate anything in particular
03:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87790 @ 0.00038861 = 34.1161 BTC [+]
03:38 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1tlyGcAHbU
03:38 assbot Jay Electronica - Eternal Sunshine (The Pledge) (Full 15-minute version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUdpq )
03:40 punkman http://matrix.org/
03:40 assbot Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/18PUsRn )
03:44 punkman artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134500 @ 0.00036454 = 49.0306 BTC [-] {3}
03:59 punkman lol http://www.anthemfacts.com/
03:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DB31c3 )
04:00 punkman "if you are Anthem member, or if you were an Anthem member, you've been doxxed... and quite comprehensively. And you were doxxed nearly two months ago. Or maybe not, because Anthem goes out of its way to NOT tell you when this occurred. If you were affected here's how they will notify you:"
04:00 punkman "We continue working to identify the members who are impacted. We will begin to mail letters to impacted members in the coming weeks."
04:03 fluffypony what's Anthem?
04:03 fluffypony (scuse my ignorance)
04:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00038861 = 16.5936 BTC [+]
04:05 punkman fluffypony: some insurance company
04:05 fluffypony ah ok
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04:57 punkman "app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg
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04:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6eMS )
05:01 punkman http://www.omaha.com/money/impostors-bilk-omaha-s-scoular-co-out-of-million/article_25af3da5-d475-5f9d-92db-52493258d23d.html
05:01 assbot Impostors bilk Omaha's Scoular Co. out of $17.2 million - Omaha.com: Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku6Guz )
05:04 punkman scammer pretended to be the CEO, told employee to plz send monies to china: "For the last months we have been working, in coordination and under the supervision of the SEC, on acquiring a Chinese company. ... This is very sensitive, so please only communicate with me through this email, in order for us not to infringe SEC regulations."
05:10 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing
05:10 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
05:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156200 @ 0.00038899 = 60.7602 BTC [+] {2}
05:12 punkman https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006670.html
05:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5802 @ 0.00095 = 5.5119 BTC [-] {8}
05:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1145 @ 0.00094837 = 1.0859 BTC [-] {4}
05:29 cazalla from a ransomware news piece.. "Once their files are returned, the Niedermayers plan to have their hard drive professionally wiped, and will change their IP address."
05:30 fluffypony LOL
05:30 fluffypony I'm going to offer professional wiping services
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06:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183550 @ 0.00039151 = 71.8617 BTC [+] {2}
06:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156572 @ 0.0003924 = 61.4389 BTC [+]
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06:25 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007996 < ilold
06:25 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:52:46; trinque: b-b-but my pulse!
06:25 kakobrekla enjoyable logs tonite.
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06:53 kakobrekla http://www.mit.edu/~jerryzli/SprayList-CR.pdf
06:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBxpTI )
06:54 kakobrekla they basically claim random ftw, which is lulzy
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08:07 BingoBoingo http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/03/worlds-most-expensive-drug-prescription-that-costs-up-to-700000-per-year-too-expensive-canada-says/
08:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00038908 = 25.7766 BTC [-]
08:10 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2utl7p/lol_coinbase_for_getting_mad_at_redditors_for/cobkp02
08:10 thestringpuller can coinbase and bitpay die already?
08:12 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uu1iu/permanently_keeping_the_1mb_antispam_restriction/ << redditards are so dumb
08:15 thestringpuller https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 << has deathandtaxes argument been discussed et?
08:20 jurov adlai: if you have problems opening exchange account, maybe we can do it together. but i'm not touching btc-e or buttstamp
08:20 jurov we can use paymium or maybe coinmate.. but dunno if it works with smaller volume
08:21 jurov perhaps i can look into kraken
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09:39 thestringpuller ls
09:52 PeterL PeterL: http://bablogs.btcscoop.com is back up now
09:52 assbot #bitcoin-assets blog posts ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuJf4y )
09:59 lobbes woo, finally got my VPS up and running. Now I just have to teach myself the basics of linux (Debian 7). So far I know how to view my current directory. Next step: running a node!
09:59 lobbes plenty of comedy gold (tm) to follow
09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00038366 = 41.6847 BTC [-]
10:04 thestringpuller PeterL: is scoopbot fetching again :P
10:04 PeterL should be, I just restarted it a minute ago
10:05 PeterL I'm not sure why he stops, but it seems to get fixed if I restart
10:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101371 @ 0.00038759 = 39.2904 BTC [+] {2}
10:15 mike_c PeterL: nice! i missed having that page.
10:29 asciilifeform 282547.
10:29 mircea_popescu like 5k over a day ?
10:31 jurov https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula insanity. this recipe properly downloads and checksums a gpg key for epel repository, and then happily uses another one
10:31 assbot saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D20CJg )
10:31 jurov like, no one looked at it before?
10:31 mircea_popescu jurov o.O ?!
10:32 asciilifeform Many Eyes (TM) !11!
10:33 PeterL well now somebody found it, many eyes worked
10:33 mircea_popescu i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ?
10:33 mircea_popescu not even medicine. not even religion.
10:33 mircea_popescu PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic.
10:34 PeterL the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ...
10:34 jurov PeterL: yes I found it..after half year
10:34 jurov er.. one and half year
10:34 PeterL I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere
10:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-]
10:34 mircea_popescu sarcasm tag's one history!
10:35 jurov #devops at one's own peril
10:35 mircea_popescu computers are evil, there's no two ways about it.
10:36 mircea_popescu http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/02/03/swingers-club-council/22813945/
10:36 assbot Swingers club adds councilwoman's picture to website ... ( http://bit.ly/1D21tK3 )
10:38 punkman swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy!
10:38 mircea_popescu lol
10:39 mircea_popescu "christisn school campus" wtf is that even
10:39 mircea_popescu place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite.
10:39 punkman http://goodpasture.org/
10:39 assbot Goodpasture Christian School | "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... ( http://bit.ly/1D223at )
10:40 mircea_popescu motherfucker. the cheek.
10:40 mircea_popescu haha check out the almost-mscomic font.
10:41 punkman running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far
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10:41 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )
10:41 mircea_popescu To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment.
10:41 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
10:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2}
10:44 mircea_popescu !up Rippleflip_
10:44 Rippleflip_ hello
10:44 mircea_popescu !up BigBitz
10:44 mircea_popescu i up noobs anyway ya know.
10:44 BigBitz mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up.
10:44 Rippleflip_ i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc
10:45 Rippleflip_ we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services
10:45 PeterL who is we?
10:45 Rippleflip_ our team. read more from https://stellarflip.com/sale.txt
10:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D233eO )
10:45 mircea_popescu ripp, lef and lip
10:46 BigBitz 1250BTC. Cheap.
10:46 chetty how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we
10:46 Rippleflip_ bitbet.us is valued at 2000 BTC
10:46 Rippleflip_ sorry chetty for my language
10:46 mircea_popescu market-valued.
10:46 Rippleflip_ yes
10:46 mircea_popescu you know, kinda different story.
10:46 Rippleflip_ yes, i see.
10:47 mircea_popescu so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ?
10:47 Rippleflip_ yes. gambling.
10:47 BigBitz mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple.
10:47 mircea_popescu and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ?
10:47 Rippleflip_ we have much indonesian speaking players
10:47 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: yes.
10:47 BigBitz scamcoin 101.
10:47 BigBitz pump. dump. run.
10:47 mircea_popescu that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin
10:48 mircea_popescu how about 1250 ripples ? or 1250 stellars ?
10:48 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us.
10:48 mircea_popescu let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far
10:48 mircea_popescu plus perhaps a little something for the missus ?
10:48 BigBitz Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge.
10:49 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations
10:49 Rippleflip_ bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000
10:50 jurov Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume
10:50 mircea_popescu how do you figure significantly less ?!
10:50 jurov and selling only code/domain
10:50 PeterL do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year?
10:50 Rippleflip_ jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small
10:50 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: wagers per time
10:50 Rippleflip_ or just wagers.
10:50 mircea_popescu nonono. wagers-time.
10:50 Rippleflip_ do your research please
10:51 danielpbarron !b 10
10:51 assbot Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1X1RKKN.txt )
10:51 mircea_popescu if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site,
10:51 mircea_popescu you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds
10:51 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time
10:51 mircea_popescu see above.
10:53 punkman 8million STR total profit = 134 BTC
10:53 mircea_popescu ah now i see his logic. so
10:54 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2000 / 21340 * 134
10:54 gribble 12.5585754452
10:54 mircea_popescu that's whence the 1250 comes from
10:54 mircea_popescu can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ?
10:54 Rippleflip_ yes
10:55 mircea_popescu where does it even trade these days ?
10:55 Rippleflip_ i assume it is possible.
10:55 thestringpuller so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work?
10:55 punkman 3,595,158,975 stellars available now
10:55 BigBitz 'assume' do your research, please.
10:55 Rippleflip_ poloniex.com at least. and inside network
10:55 mircea_popescu well of coruse you'd assume, no doub on that socre.
10:55 thestringpuller and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time.
10:55 mircea_popescu oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ?
10:55 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you
10:56 Rippleflip_ for serious inquiries please email us.
10:56 mircea_popescu is stellar xmr ?
10:56 Rippleflip_ or pm here, both work.
10:56 Rippleflip_ no
10:56 BigBitz selling 10M STR would destroy their market.
10:56 mircea_popescu a no str
10:56 mircea_popescu STR0.0000165463.358-2.88Stellar
10:57 mircea_popescu STR0.003871110.080+0.10Stellar
10:58 mircea_popescu so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ?
10:58 Rippleflip_ looks like that
10:59 mircea_popescu seems it only exists to trade xmr this thing, since https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_str styill spends 90% of the page listing the xmr market. weird.
10:59 assbot Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1D25fmt )
10:59 mircea_popescu fluffypony is this poloniex thing your folks' ?
10:59 fluffypony mircea_popescu: no
10:59 mircea_popescu where is the official place to trade monero ?
10:59 fluffypony that has the most liquidity
10:59 fluffypony hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that
11:00 mircea_popescu "24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts.
11:01 mircea_popescu if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive.
11:02 fluffypony there's a shitload of liquidity in alts
11:02 fluffypony because it's a circle of scams
11:02 fluffypony scammers scamming scammers
11:03 mircea_popescu well, web people love that "hyip" thing
11:03 fluffypony they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day
11:03 fluffypony yeah they do
11:03 fluffypony that's why PoS is a "thing"
11:03 fluffypony the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation"
11:03 fluffypony they had MMXIV with 2014% staking
11:03 mircea_popescu kinda what the web even exists these days. for people like mako to be all fucking weird (they call it "altrusitic" of course - http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-institute-for-cultural-diplomacy-and-wikipedia )
11:03 assbot The Institute for Cultural Diplomacy and Wikipedia | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1D264vz )
11:04 fluffypony and now some 10 000% staking coin
11:04 mircea_popescu and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11"
11:04 mircea_popescu what is this staking ?
11:04 fluffypony you basically just have to have the wallet open
11:04 fluffypony and then your coins add to the "stake weight"
11:04 mircea_popescu wow, realsolid's idea ?
11:05 fluffypony so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it
11:05 fluffypony no, PeerCoin
11:05 mircea_popescu nah, this was solidcoin
11:05 fluffypony Sunny King or whatever his name is
11:05 mircea_popescu if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete
11:05 mircea_popescu and now solidcoin is here to stay!!1
11:06 mircea_popescu then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each
11:06 mircea_popescu which then got spent.
11:06 fluffypony ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012
11:06 fluffypony it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had
11:06 mircea_popescu pretty sure realsolid was the first altscammer.
11:07 fluffypony PPCoin wasn't meant to be a scam
11:07 the_scourge mircea_popescu: freicoin is PoS
11:07 fluffypony I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS
11:07 fluffypony agh, to PoW I mean
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75308 @ 0.00039026 = 29.3897 BTC [+] {2}
11:08 mircea_popescu fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63957.0 << ancient stuff.
11:08 assbot Do YOU want RealSolid to be lead developer( of solidcoin)? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D26Rgc )
11:08 mircea_popescu well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills.
11:09 the_scourge fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth
11:09 fluffypony the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work
11:09 the_scourge fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not?
11:10 fluffypony the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh
11:10 mircea_popescu ^
11:10 the_scourge 'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point
11:10 mircea_popescu this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice"
11:10 the_scourge :D
11:11 the_scourge the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D
11:11 thestringpuller Is ethereum not dead yet?
11:11 fluffypony the_scourge: Poelstra's write-up is normally my go-to when PoS comes up in convo: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf
11:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27mqo )
11:11 the_scourge put a fork in it
11:11 mircea_popescu pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches"
11:11 the_scourge fluffypony: thanks
11:11 fluffypony he updates it regularly
11:11 mircea_popescu he upgrades a pdf regularly ?
11:11 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out.
11:12 mircea_popescu thestringpuller you'll have to link a logline.
11:12 Rippleflip_ PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data
11:12 thestringpuller Yay markov chains!
11:12 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions
11:12 fluffypony 6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one
11:12 PeterL Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing?
11:12 mircea_popescu you know the guy ?
11:12 Rippleflip_ PeterL: the info we give to you.
11:13 PeterL where else would info come from?
11:13 Rippleflip_ PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger
11:13 Rippleflip_ the ledger.
11:13 the_scourge fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account?
11:13 fluffypony mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had
11:14 Rippleflip_ well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past)
11:14 fluffypony the_scourge: yes
11:14 the_scourge fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
11:14 Rippleflip_ been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years
11:14 mircea_popescu https://github.com/apoelstra << lol at kanzure
11:14 assbot apoelstra (Andrew Poelstra) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27Z3u )
11:15 mircea_popescu srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?!
11:15 fluffypony the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter
11:15 the_scourge :(
11:15 mircea_popescu ;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had.
11:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:15 the_scourge fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome
11:16 mircea_popescu Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc
11:16 mircea_popescu or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question.
11:16 the_scourge mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ?
11:16 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2014#951402
11:16 mircea_popescu the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out.
11:17 mircea_popescu !up Rippleflip_
11:17 Rippleflip_ thanks
11:17 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer
11:17 Rippleflip_ so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT
11:17 mircea_popescu heh mkay.
11:18 Rippleflip_ #bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much?
11:18 mircea_popescu fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ?
11:18 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago
11:18 fluffypony http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wxtZcttv
11:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D28tq5 )
11:18 Rippleflip_ fluffypony: told me what?
11:18 * the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity
11:18 mircea_popescu Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto.
11:18 Rippleflip_ mircea_popescu: i do have wot...
11:19 mircea_popescu !gettrust Rippleflip_
11:19 assbot Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT.
11:19 Rippleflip_ look without _
11:19 fluffypony !gettrust Rippleflip
11:19 assbot Rippleflip is not registered in WoT.
11:19 fluffypony guess not
11:19 thestringpuller LOL
11:19 Rippleflip try DaleC
11:19 Rippleflip ...
11:19 thestringpuller !gettrust DaleC
11:19 assbot Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
11:20 thestringpuller !gettrust assbot DaleC
11:20 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
11:20 fluffypony !gettrust DaleC
11:20 assbot Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user DaleC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/fluffypony/DaleC | http://w.b-a.link/user/DaleC
11:20 mircea_popescu ;;google Tim Swanson site:trilema.com
11:20 gribble No, you don't have something to say on the topic. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/no-you-dont-have-something-to-say-on-the-topic/>; The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/>; The witch hunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
11:20 fluffypony sorry Daley
11:20 mircea_popescu Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in.
11:21 mircea_popescu actually was it tim. yeah it was tim.
11:21 Rippleflip alright
11:21 Rippleflip anyway, over 1 year in wot already :)
11:21 mircea_popescu so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so.
11:21 mircea_popescu after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money.
11:22 Rippleflip thanks for your advice.
11:22 mircea_popescu cheerios.
11:22 thestringpuller he didn't even charge you Rippleflip
11:22 thestringpuller What a nice guy!
11:23 the_scourge would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106086 @ 0.0003924 = 41.6281 BTC [+]
11:23 the_scourge i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex
11:23 fluffypony lol the_scourge
11:24 mircea_popescu the_scourge myeah. http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/ << romanians have the same problem, if it helps anything.
11:24 assbot Capitalism si naivitate. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29nDf )
11:24 mircea_popescu in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism.
11:25 the_scourge well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity?
11:25 the_scourge mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice?
11:26 mircea_popescu it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.
11:26 mircea_popescu the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice.
11:26 mircea_popescu i mostly link it to torture people.
11:28 the_scourge mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper
11:28 mircea_popescu fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.
11:30 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is
11:31 mircea_popescu a ty
11:33 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot BigBitz
11:33 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/BigBitz | http://w.b-a.link/user/BigBitz
11:33 mircea_popescu !up BigBitz
11:33 mircea_popescu you know how to voice ?
11:36 BigBitz Yeah.
11:36 BigBitz I just don't have my key on this terminal.
11:36 BigBitz I am authed with gribble :)
11:36 BigBitz ;;ident
11:36 gribble Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
11:37 mircea_popescu kk jus checking.
11:37 BigBitz :)
11:45 fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git
11:45 fluffypony so no pretty github interface, but git works fine
11:46 mircea_popescu ty
11:47 mircea_popescu curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl
11:47 mircea_popescu blergh
11:47 mircea_popescu a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.
11:51 the_scourge mircea_popescu: nix-env -i git-all
11:51 the_scourge "Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as
11:51 the_scourge checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-
11:51 the_scourge service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever
11:51 the_scourge to do with consensus."
11:53 the_scourge erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it
11:55 fluffypony the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS).
11:55 fluffypony otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away
11:55 fluffypony whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks
11:56 fluffypony or wherever the last checkpoint was
11:56 mircea_popescu in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code.
11:57 mircea_popescu in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code,
11:57 mircea_popescu and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat.
11:57 mircea_popescu (ie, their own trust)
12:02 the_scourge at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed
12:02 punkman when it's dead?
12:03 the_scourge 'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with
12:04 the_scourge i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity
12:04 the_scourge until that point, it's still just probability
12:06 mircea_popescu you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance.
12:06 the_scourge ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?
12:06 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as a "legitimate holder"
12:06 the_scourge WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas?
12:06 mircea_popescu it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.
12:07 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/im-not-sure-i-can-truly-convey-the-lulz/
12:09 mircea_popescu the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy,
12:10 mircea_popescu however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated.
12:12 the_scourge automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet
12:12 the_scourge *make
12:13 the_scourge and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter
12:14 the_scourge *an NRx'er
12:14 mircea_popescu i dunno what most of these are.
12:15 the_scourge NRx is just shorthand for neoreaction
12:16 mircea_popescu like shorthand for "yarvin's readership" ?
12:16 the_scourge but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less
12:17 mircea_popescu ...
12:17 the_scourge i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes
12:17 mircea_popescu can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence.
12:17 mircea_popescu nobody can chase an explosion of rabbits.
12:18 the_scourge please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime
12:19 mircea_popescu so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit
12:19 mircea_popescu ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing.
12:20 mircea_popescu so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc.
12:20 mircea_popescu now, that make any sense ?
12:21 the_scourge yes
12:21 mircea_popescu ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'.
12:22 mircea_popescu the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing.
12:22 mircea_popescu that much make sense ?
12:23 the_scourge uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong
12:23 the_scourge *second ... checkpoint :)
12:23 mircea_popescu so then on the 2nd, "no, you're very much wrong"
12:23 fluffypony GPG guy: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
12:24 assbot The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cybgc4 )
12:24 mircea_popescu fluffypony reheheheally.
12:24 fluffypony thought it might be slightly relevant
12:24 mircea_popescu fuck him, after gpg2 i'm happy to hear.
12:26 fluffypony omfg wikipedia is down
12:26 the_scourge fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire
12:26 fluffypony err'one panci
12:26 fluffypony *panic
12:26 the_scourge well who didn't pay them
12:26 fluffypony the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E
12:27 * the_scourge raises hand < don't call me a prick, no one else did
12:27 fluffypony http://blogs.elpais.com/.a/6a00d8341bfb1653ef017d4158076b970c-pi
12:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuuZo )
12:27 the_scourge fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example?
12:27 the_scourge la wik is up again
12:28 fluffypony oh my
12:28 fluffypony let me see if there's a snippet
12:28 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kngspqvHa0
12:28 assbot Wall-E Fat People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuKHX )
12:28 mircea_popescu http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Wall-E.html this /
12:28 assbot Wall-E Script at IMSDb. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMiM )
12:28 fluffypony or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy0DDuf8fYw
12:28 assbot Wall-E ... Social Media funny fat people - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMPW )
12:28 mircea_popescu Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic
12:29 * the_scourge fires up tribler, i think mrs scourge would enjoy that one!
12:34 punkman yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who?
12:35 the_scourge there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile.
12:35 the_scourge do you want me to start rattling off urls?
12:35 mircea_popescu by all means.
12:35 punkman there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight
12:36 mircea_popescu last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead.
12:36 punkman but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary"
12:37 punkman I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121189 @ 0.00039296 = 47.6224 BTC [+] {2}
12:37 mircea_popescu lmai
12:38 mircea_popescu actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards.
12:38 mircea_popescu (where esl = english as a sole language)
12:39 * fluffypony twitches every time he sees "nlp"
12:39 punkman hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff
12:39 fluffypony hah hah
12:39 mircea_popescu nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv.
12:40 mircea_popescu nlp/tloa
12:40 the_scourge nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less
12:41 mircea_popescu there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.
12:41 punkman the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it
12:41 mircea_popescu and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light
12:41 the_scourge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia
12:41 assbot Harald Eia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cydubr )
12:42 mircea_popescu whoa that guy looks sXe
12:43 pete_dushenski heya the_scourge did you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/ ?
12:43 assbot Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CydE2w )
12:43 pete_dushenski some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine
12:43 pete_dushenski nick land kicked it off
12:44 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable.
12:44 mircea_popescu they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy.
12:44 the_scourge pete_dushenski: are you contravex.com ?
12:44 mike_c but that title :D awesome.
12:44 mircea_popescu mike_c that it is :D
12:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol i guess so
12:45 punkman maybe "improve your world"
12:45 mircea_popescu but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.
12:45 pete_dushenski but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists...
12:45 mircea_popescu a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked
12:45 mircea_popescu but now that's illegal.
12:45 pete_dushenski the_scourge: mhm tis i
12:46 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs.
12:46 the_scourge pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary
12:46 mircea_popescu !s nrx
12:46 assbot 10 results for 'nrx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nrx
12:46 pete_dushenski mike_c: ha ya i went for an mp-esque long one there
12:46 mircea_popescu !s neoreaction
12:46 assbot 9 results for 'neoreaction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=neoreaction
12:46 mircea_popescu hm wtf.
12:47 punkman !s moldbug
12:47 assbot 103 results for 'moldbug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moldbug
12:47 mircea_popescu ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay.
12:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660125
12:47 assbot Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today
12:49 the_scourge i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing?
12:49 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8560 << alrenous guy seems pretty cogent.
12:49 assbot Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyeqwx )
12:50 mircea_popescu the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ?
12:50 mircea_popescu !up BigBitz
12:51 the_scourge right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken?
12:51 BigBitz You told me, what?
12:51 BigBitz the_scourge ... ?
12:51 mircea_popescu the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ?
12:51 the_scourge BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites
12:51 mircea_popescu like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?
12:51 the_scourge ?
12:51 BigBitz my friend, lol.
12:51 BigBitz No.
12:52 BigBitz I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally.
12:52 BigBitz don't associate me with him ;)
12:52 the_scourge oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)
12:52 BigBitz massively.
12:52 the_scourge BigBitz: i won't, sorry!
12:53 the_scourge mircea_popescu: i can see the difference
12:53 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat.
12:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:54 the_scourge i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence
12:54 mircea_popescu the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year.
12:54 mircea_popescu some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl.
12:54 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-january-2015-statement/
12:56 mircea_popescu the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s.
12:56 mircea_popescu (and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.)
12:56 the_scourge mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england
12:57 mircea_popescu yeah, but in the 90s.
12:57 mircea_popescu mebbe 00s.
12:57 the_scourge why? the cracks weren't as obvious then
12:57 the_scourge i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious
12:58 the_scourge i think a teenager today would find them obvious.
12:58 mircea_popescu kinda the proof that it's too late.
12:58 the_scourge too late to prepare?
12:59 mircea_popescu no, too late to bother visiting.
12:59 the_scourge why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned?
13:00 mircea_popescu the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls.
13:00 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens
13:01 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008336 << this is now stuck at 124275
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13:01 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 15:41:29; punkman: running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far
13:01 the_scourge pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land
13:01 pete_dushenski the_scourge: a handful, sure
13:02 pete_dushenski i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one
13:02 pete_dushenski it wasn't half-bad
13:02 pete_dushenski some strong points, some weaker ones
13:04 pete_dushenski the_scourge: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8576
13:04 assbot Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyhbhe )
13:04 the_scourge lol but you quote moldbug as nick land!
13:04 the_scourge pete_dushenski: ^ fix that quick!
13:05 pete_dushenski the_scourge: lol read more closely
13:05 pete_dushenski i said that it was nick's article
13:05 pete_dushenski on his blog, not that he was the author of the points
13:05 pete_dushenski nick calls it "his manifesto"
13:06 the_scourge ok fine
13:06 the_scourge what....
13:06 pete_dushenski ;)
13:06 the_scourge wut?
13:06 the_scourge really?
13:06 pete_dushenski "If there is a ‘we’ — this is what we believe." <<
13:07 pete_dushenski if that's not a manifesto...
13:07 mircea_popescu it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here.
13:07 mircea_popescu it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons.
13:07 mircea_popescu they do not.
13:08 mircea_popescu so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway.
13:08 pete_dushenski alrenous' invite: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/#comment-9857
13:08 assbot On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyi3m8 )
13:09 the_scourge oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet
13:10 mircea_popescu "What is this? The first*, the biggest** and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog** you*** :D
13:10 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power
13:10 kakobrekla mircea_popescu see footnotes :p
13:10 mircea_popescu night's still young
13:10 mircea_popescu kakobrekla o i have :)
13:10 kakobrekla a ok:)
13:11 mircea_popescu "Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com" < can this be "Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com << Read this. Now."
13:11 assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyinRO )
13:12 the_scourge the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument
13:13 mircea_popescu coro
13:14 mircea_popescu mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb.
13:15 mircea_popescu if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked...
13:16 pete_dushenski the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens
13:16 pete_dushenski the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something
13:16 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1.
13:16 the_scourge pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires
13:16 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow
13:17 pete_dushenski we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive
13:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ?
13:17 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: nick land's blog. what first put me on to "nrx" as per http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-144/
13:17 assbot Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote note (#144) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyjgd6 )
13:18 mircea_popescu oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times.
13:18 mircea_popescu !s nick land
13:18 assbot 4 results for 'nick land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nick+land
13:18 pete_dushenski not hugely surprising
13:19 pete_dushenski that he STILL hasn't showed up here... is
13:19 mircea_popescu Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less.
13:19 pete_dushenski how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?
13:19 pete_dushenski particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day
13:20 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/address/18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP << sole txn lol.
13:20 assbot Bitcoin Address 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyjrFa )
13:20 pete_dushenski on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language
13:21 ben_vulpes <kakobrekla> [] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing << my mistake, figured it out
13:21 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
13:21 the_scourge pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet)
13:21 ben_vulpes anyways, good morning
13:21 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you were on twatter right ?
13:21 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: yep
13:21 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: morning!
13:21 mircea_popescu ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ?
13:22 pete_dushenski the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp
13:22 trinque anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest?
13:23 mircea_popescu glwt.
13:23 trinque that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k
13:24 mircea_popescu danielpbarron <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good.
13:24 mircea_popescu somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ?
13:24 the_scourge pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"
13:24 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/563402724666900480
13:24 assbot Hey /Outsideness, I'm curious: do you still have the private key for this address ? https://t.co/4euFxZqSW8
13:24 danielpbarron mircea_popescu, that's a compilation error
13:25 pete_dushenski the_scourge: huh funny thing that intuition sometimes
13:25 pete_dushenski mine told me the exact opposite
13:25 mircea_popescu the_scourge the nuclear part is explained here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#987147
13:25 assbot Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
13:26 danielpbarron and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install
13:26 mircea_popescu ahak
13:26 the_scourge pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position
13:26 the_scourge but i need to write this out in a better way ^
13:26 the_scourge reading link
13:27 pete_dushenski the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now
13:27 pete_dushenski to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you
13:28 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski yeah. me too. specifically : here. most recently, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999217
13:28 assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
13:28 mircea_popescu but more generally, http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/
13:28 assbot Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16vmosh )
13:28 pete_dushenski did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ?
13:29 mircea_popescu mno.
13:29 pete_dushenski right
13:29 mircea_popescu anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.
13:29 pete_dushenski so why would we, their heirs ?
13:29 mircea_popescu we'll be fine.
13:30 pete_dushenski the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot
13:30 the_scourge reading
13:30 pete_dushenski mostly because that's what they've always done
13:30 the_scourge woah deja vue
13:31 pete_dushenski this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"
13:31 the_scourge i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago
13:31 the_scourge and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it...
13:32 pete_dushenski hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate
13:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called.
13:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00096968 = 1.6485 BTC [+] {6}
13:32 mircea_popescu the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere.
13:33 the_scourge pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs???
13:33 mircea_popescu jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people.
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00039193 = 20.4196 BTC [-]
13:35 pete_dushenski the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we"
13:36 the_scourge ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D
13:36 the_scourge *that delusion or religion
13:36 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol so it would seem
13:37 mircea_popescu the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :)
13:37 the_scourge mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person
13:37 the_scourge it wasn't for bitcoin or fiat
13:37 mircea_popescu this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world.
13:37 the_scourge an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte
13:38 mircea_popescu nothing can be further from the truth.
13:38 mircea_popescu the only subhuman profession is bureaucracy.
13:38 mircea_popescu there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants.
13:38 mircea_popescu it's their natural fate.
13:38 the_scourge dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point
13:38 pete_dushenski the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect
13:38 mircea_popescu cool. so they're getting it.
13:39 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<
13:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00039193 = 10.4841 BTC [-]
13:39 the_scourge right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death
13:39 mircea_popescu see also the always popular
13:40 mircea_popescu !s we know where you live
13:40 assbot 4 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live
13:40 mircea_popescu sure sure, or else jesus might visit.
13:40 the_scourge wtf
13:40 pete_dushenski ...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein
13:40 the_scourge i don't understand waht that has to do with it
13:40 the_scourge pete_dushenski: they all are
13:40 mircea_popescu lolz.
13:40 the_scourge it's homogenous, this is provable
13:41 mircea_popescu i guess then it will get proven.
13:41 mircea_popescu anyway, tell gavin i'm off to eat.
13:41 pete_dushenski the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism
13:41 the_scourge mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question
13:42 the_scourge all = the ones we have to worry about
13:42 pete_dushenski perhaps, but not the only ones to learn from
13:42 pete_dushenski and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers
13:43 the_scourge wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral?
13:43 pete_dushenski tc being... ?
13:43 the_scourge pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists
13:43 pete_dushenski meh "atheists" are just as religious as the next
13:44 pete_dushenski their alter is scientism
13:44 the_scourge no, we need to end this conv.
13:44 the_scourge because that's not what i mean at all.
13:44 the_scourge er.. not end, just pause for a sec
13:45 pete_dushenski no rush
13:45 the_scourge pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists
13:45 pete_dushenski dawkins got pwned ?
13:46 * pete_dushenski is ignorant of this
13:46 the_scourge actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter'
13:46 the_scourge http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1.html
13:47 assbot Unqualified Reservations: How Dawkins got pwned (part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CymDRd )
13:48 chetty so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news?
13:49 the_scourge chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol
13:49 the_scourge *was
13:49 pete_dushenski The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense
13:49 the_scourge pete_dushenski: explain?
13:50 pete_dushenski that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival
13:50 the_scourge pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days
13:51 the_scourge but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc
13:51 the_scourge trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago
13:52 * the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive
13:52 the_scourge pete_dushenski: are you american?
13:52 pete_dushenski whatever is was, it got you here right?
13:53 pete_dushenski the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too
13:53 mike_c <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!
13:54 the_scourge mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet
13:55 the_scourge pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers
13:56 pete_dushenski the summer's the time to be here :)
13:56 chetty <the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams
13:59 trinque +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck
13:59 chetty <trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?
14:00 the_scourge trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck
14:02 punkman contemplation takes time
14:02 punkman pill taking not encouraged
14:02 the_scourge i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian
14:02 the_scourge but it only goes halfway
14:03 pete_dushenski kinda soon to make that call neh?
14:04 ben_vulpes hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?
14:04 lobbes he drank it before it was cool
14:04 trinque heyooo
14:04 mircea_popescu anyway, where were we.
14:04 ben_vulpes ka-zing
14:04 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: we were halfway...
14:05 the_scourge pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case!
14:06 pete_dushenski ah but then you'd miss out on the mosaic!
14:06 the_scourge obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science
14:07 mircea_popescu the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.
14:07 * the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers
14:07 mircea_popescu b) not really worth going into after that.
14:07 the_scourge explain why the concept does not reflect reality
14:08 chetty <the_scourge> obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping
14:08 the_scourge er, please explain :)
14:08 mircea_popescu im sorry, i don't do that. if you wish to use it, introduce it. as per http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
14:08 assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CypPwf )
14:09 mircea_popescu yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent
14:09 mircea_popescu they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference.
14:10 the_scourge mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it
14:10 the_scourge if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time
14:10 the_scourge brb, eating
14:10 mircea_popescu well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.
14:11 mircea_popescu not teh first, not teh last, nothing wrong with it.
14:11 mod6 <+punkman> running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far << check out this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000023.html
↖ ↖
14:11 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )
14:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyqcqK )
14:20 the_scourge mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post
14:21 mircea_popescu not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly.
14:21 the_scourge the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles)
14:21 the_scourge it = supper
14:22 the_scourge so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other
14:23 * pete_dushenski grabs popcorn
14:23 mircea_popescu well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ?
14:23 mircea_popescu dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does.
14:23 chetty the_scourge, only 300?
14:24 the_scourge chetty: no, that is a minimum figure
14:24 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: http://media.giphy.com/media/yhbze3D8QhFe0/giphy.gif
14:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrCkR )
14:26 pete_dushenski anyone care to translate this pdf of the_scourge's ? http://www.moreright.net/a-gentle-introduction-to-unqualified-reservations-pdf/
14:26 assbot A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations — PDF | More Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrRfR )
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039333 = 17.8178 BTC [+]
14:26 the_scourge http://moldbuggery.blogspot.ca/ < here you go. html, under the section titled "a gentle introduction"
14:26 assbot Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrQbI )
14:27 pete_dushenski goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ?
14:28 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?
14:28 mircea_popescu yeah, the guy was verbose.
14:28 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: nah i'm familiar with his work
14:28 pete_dushenski have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes
14:29 ben_vulpes i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works
14:29 pete_dushenski reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more
14:29 mircea_popescu anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv"
14:29 ben_vulpes asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment
14:29 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: russian, neh ? ;)
14:30 mircea_popescu the similarities are shocking.
14:30 ben_vulpes not only expects, but welcomes the stake.
14:30 pete_dushenski lmao
14:30 ben_vulpes "at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."
14:30 pete_dushenski #calledit
14:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
14:31 mircea_popescu but then again...
14:31 ben_vulpes OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL
14:31 mircea_popescu he wants you to hang out here moar.
14:31 pete_dushenski and work on 0.5.3!
14:32 ben_vulpes myeah i want this too
14:35 mircea_popescu "In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ?
14:35 mircea_popescu "o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did"
14:36 pete_dushenski moldbug?
14:37 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:37 pete_dushenski i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take
14:37 pete_dushenski so: in the trash
14:38 mircea_popescu kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction.
14:39 mircea_popescu "For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker."
14:39 pete_dushenski "Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood."
14:40 mircea_popescu fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ?
14:40 pete_dushenski too anti-religious for me
14:40 mircea_popescu anyway, enough of this.
14:40 pete_dushenski not like god-worship is sane, just that it works
14:40 pete_dushenski myea
14:41 pete_dushenski Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5%
14:42 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post.
14:42 pete_dushenski granted
14:42 mircea_popescu on which score, orwell has an excellent quote
14:42 mircea_popescu one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log
14:42 pete_dushenski modern technology is marvellous for coping
14:43 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1T7Z9SG <
14:43 assbot dpaste: 1T7Z9SG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaZLph )
14:45 mircea_popescu "Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist
14:45 mircea_popescu ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans."
14:45 danielpbarron ;;later tell asciilifeform any suggestions? this output is from your auto.sh -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-error.txt
14:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb0cjo )
14:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:45 mircea_popescu as a great quote.
14:46 mircea_popescu his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground.
14:46 mircea_popescu because, then as now, socialism does not work.
14:47 mike_c danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?
14:47 mircea_popescu nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded.
14:48 danielpbarron i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ?
14:48 danielpbarron i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/
14:48 mircea_popescu if it isn't it must be!
14:49 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "nobody" wise
14:50 pete_dushenski this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa"
14:50 mike_c danielpbarron: can you link me to it
14:50 mircea_popescu well, nopbody capable of want.
14:50 mircea_popescu obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet.
14:50 danielpbarron mike_c, to what? auto.sh?
14:50 mike_c yeah
14:50 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: want of materials, yes
14:51 pete_dushenski want of "rights" less so ;)
14:51 danielpbarron mike_c, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/auto_5acaf3182f7d59b9ef11dc90f80bdcc4f8fdd59c.sh
14:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyuFd1 )
14:51 pete_dushenski this is the railroad vs. freedom debate
14:53 pete_dushenski "It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said
14:54 mircea_popescu remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane.
14:54 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
14:54 ascii_field danke mircea_popescu
14:55 mircea_popescu doing ddos research ? :D
14:55 ascii_field heavy industrial pipe here.
14:55 ascii_field danielpbarron: it's all wrong
14:55 thestringpuller oh hey ascii_field left his house
14:55 ascii_field danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box
14:56 danielpbarron that's what i thought
14:56 ascii_field not openssl, not bdb
14:56 ascii_field and from your dump, it clearly is
14:56 danielpbarron hrm
14:56 ascii_field check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there
14:56 ascii_field one of 1, 2, 3 - is false.
14:57 mircea_popescu 3 bering my guess
14:57 danielpbarron will do; thank you for the insight
14:57 ascii_field have it dump'em
14:57 ascii_field the vars, that is
14:57 mircea_popescu probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to
14:57 mike_c the export lines look ok..
14:57 ascii_field other thing is
14:57 ascii_field try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs
14:58 ascii_field (installed the usual way)
14:58 ascii_field that way - no confusion
14:58 mircea_popescu well then it'll work, nothing to default to
14:58 ascii_field no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak
14:58 ascii_field the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir.
14:59 ascii_field and here's another dead giveaway
14:59 ascii_field the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib!
14:59 ascii_field read build.sh
14:59 ascii_field clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway
15:00 mircea_popescu there's that.
15:00 ascii_field hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost
15:00 ascii_field 2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile
15:00 ascii_field (you did patch, right?)
15:00 danielpbarron yes
15:00 ascii_field ok
15:00 ascii_field then (1)
15:00 ascii_field tertium non datur
15:01 danielpbarron but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches?
15:01 ascii_field yes
15:01 ascii_field though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them
15:01 danielpbarron and that all seems to work with no errors
15:01 danielpbarron i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work
15:01 ascii_field what was the output ?
15:01 danielpbarron i don't recall and didn't save it
15:02 ascii_field 'pikz or didnt happen'
15:02 ascii_field (TM)
15:02 danielpbarron i can repeat for you
15:02 ascii_field may be useful
15:04 ben_vulpes ascii_field: http://tm.shithouse.tv
15:04 assbot ™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyw9nx )
15:04 mircea_popescu http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << ok this is a great fucking read.
15:04 assbot The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1CywdUc )
15:04 mircea_popescu check out the meta-nsa at work !
15:13 ascii_field http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html << somehow missed this when it was on
15:13 assbot MIT cuts ties with Walter Lewin after online harassment probe - The Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb6AqH )
15:13 ascii_field ^ physics prof purged
15:15 mircea_popescu "Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos"
15:15 mircea_popescu if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them.
15:15 mircea_popescu fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself.
15:16 ascii_field what'd be the objective ?
15:17 ascii_field that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ?
15:17 mircea_popescu well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount.
15:17 mircea_popescu so... it's a win-win move.
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128300 @ 0.00039338 = 50.4707 BTC [+] {2}
15:18 mircea_popescu "With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist … he is at once larger than life and totally accessible."
15:18 mircea_popescu "which is great, unless he fucks someone"
15:19 the_scourge excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again
15:20 ascii_field hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer
15:20 mircea_popescu quite.
15:20 mircea_popescu "never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable.
15:20 ascii_field it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays.
15:21 mircea_popescu ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold.
15:21 ascii_field ?
15:21 mircea_popescu whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference.
15:23 ascii_field watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab
15:23 mircea_popescu no it does not.
15:24 mircea_popescu it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!"
15:24 mircea_popescu i'd blogroll it.
15:24 ascii_field and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ?
15:24 mircea_popescu the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here.
15:25 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
15:25 ascii_field ty mircea_popescu
15:25 mircea_popescu why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ?
15:26 ascii_field mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance
15:26 mircea_popescu so ?
15:26 mircea_popescu neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union.
15:26 ascii_field actually
15:26 mircea_popescu quite more literally than is the case here, anyway.
15:27 ascii_field one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
15:28 mircea_popescu they built that access.
15:28 ascii_field e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull.
15:28 mircea_popescu and, actually, that slack, too.
15:28 mircea_popescu do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ?
15:28 mircea_popescu 90% of all available anything, towards the end of things.
15:28 ascii_field aha.
15:29 mircea_popescu well ?
15:29 ascii_field except - orcs, so it was hopeless
15:29 the_scourge doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions
15:29 mircea_popescu it is not so clear.
15:30 mircea_popescu for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does.
15:30 the_scourge er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead
15:31 the_scourge looking for citation right now....
15:31 mircea_popescu the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ?
15:32 ascii_field !s answer lies in the sewers
15:32 assbot 11 results for 'answer lies in the sewers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=answer+lies+in+the+sewers
15:33 mircea_popescu look at that, all alf :)
15:35 the_scourge http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/smelly-environment-gay-marriage_n_5358253.html
15:35 assbot Smelly Environment Can Increase Homophobic, Politically Conservative Views According To Study ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbbi82 )
15:35 the_scourge http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/opinion/24pizarro.html
15:35 assbot All Politics Is Olfactory - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbbhAK )
15:35 the_scourge sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg
15:36 the_scourge ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect
15:36 ascii_field what effect ?
15:37 mircea_popescu lol the_scourge you ever heard of one McCune ?
15:38 the_scourge mircea_popescu: don't ring a bell
15:38 ascii_field i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments
15:39 mircea_popescu unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop
15:39 the_scourge ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close?
15:39 mircea_popescu then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo.
15:39 ascii_field the_scourge did not actually read a word of it
15:39 mircea_popescu this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot.
15:39 ascii_field we now know.
15:39 mircea_popescu also doesn't happen to carry currency here.
15:40 mircea_popescu ascii_field well... chuka.
15:40 ascii_field the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning.
15:41 TheNewDeal Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
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15:41 mircea_popescu how's that work ?
15:42 mike_c TheNewDeal: what are you holding?
15:42 TheNewDeal It works like so. Purchaser sends btc
15:42 TheNewDeal I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet
15:42 the_scourge ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked
15:42 TheNewDeal I give a small premium on timeweight
15:42 mike_c yeah, so what are you selling?
15:42 mircea_popescu and on trust ? and interest ?
15:43 TheNewDeal No interest
15:43 TheNewDeal Yes trust
15:43 TheNewDeal Im holding no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/#b7
15:43 assbot BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.21 B (69%) on Yes, 1.89 B (31%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 90`871 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbdwUE )
15:43 * mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable
15:43 mike_c it's been done before
15:44 TheNewDeal I did it before, check out my otp page
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00039193 = 2.4496 BTC [-]
15:44 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ?
15:44 TheNewDeal 1.75
15:45 mircea_popescu mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration
15:45 TheNewDeal Ill sell up to .75
15:45 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential
15:45 mircea_popescu as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189
15:46 TheNewDeal To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make
15:46 ascii_field '(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol
15:46 TheNewDeal I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet
15:47 TheNewDeal Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no
15:47 TheNewDeal But you could bet no, and buy no from me
15:48 TheNewDeal Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189?
15:48 the_scourge mircea_popescu: done some reading on sarah miller mccune, very interesting. is that somehow connected to http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095572
15:48 assbot PLOS ONE: Disgust and the Politics of Sex: Exposure to a Disgusting Odorant Increases Politically Conservative Views on Sex and Decreases Support for Gay Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbeUXm )
15:49 mircea_popescu if not in fact, in spirit.
15:49 TheNewDeal The maximum i can make atm is 3.9
15:49 ascii_field mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia
15:50 ascii_field which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies
15:50 mircea_popescu ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?!
15:50 mircea_popescu ascii_field i just picked her name out of a bucket.
15:51 the_scourge mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken
15:51 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting.
15:51 TheNewDeal Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message
15:52 TheNewDeal I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight
15:53 TheNewDeal So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03
15:54 TheNewDeal The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated
15:54 mircea_popescu so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other.
15:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao
15:56 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/05/this-is-the-wrong-way-to-do-the-internet-dont-worry-theres-also-a-right-way/
15:56 assbot This is the wrong way to do the Internet. Don’t worry, there’s also a right way. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRaFVw )
15:57 TomServo !up ascii_field
15:57 pete_dushenski ^stab at wp, pump for qntra
15:57 pete_dushenski not wordpress, washington post
15:57 ascii_field ty TomServo
15:58 mircea_popescu "When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport *and* a local registered sim. "
15:58 mircea_popescu this has got to be a joke
15:58 ascii_field mircea_popescu: sop in cn
15:58 TheNewDeal Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in
15:59 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy.
15:59 TheNewDeal oOo
15:59 TheNewDeal I like that
15:59 bitstein Bravo, pete_dushenski
15:59 mircea_popescu it's a sort of ad hoc, informal sidechains for btc.
16:00 pete_dushenski http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state << heh america is all truck drivers now
16:00 assbot Map: The Most Common* Job In Every State : Planet Money : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRbIVq )
16:00 TomServo Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up. Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015.
16:00 pete_dushenski bitstein: thx, sorta low-hanging fruit but hey
16:01 jurov http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx << not so many USians have a job anyway
16:01 assbot Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRc1jh )
16:01 mircea_popescu job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history.
16:01 mircea_popescu should be a salary in that.
16:01 pete_dushenski redditnotes!
16:02 mircea_popescu also.
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176850 @ 0.00039134 = 69.2085 BTC [-] {2}
16:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "breeching the Silk Road" < breaching.
16:04 mircea_popescu you breech a gun, you breach a maiden.
16:05 pete_dushenski in your breeches
16:05 BingoBoingo fxd
16:06 mircea_popescu "One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
16:06 mircea_popescu this also suggests how the problem is to be attacked.
16:06 mircea_popescu make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs".
16:06 mircea_popescu each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward.
16:06 ascii_field lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ?
16:06 mircea_popescu i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score.
16:07 mircea_popescu ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that.
16:07 mircea_popescu anything can come apart if correctly approached.
16:07 ascii_field mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed.
16:07 mircea_popescu appearances deceive.
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00039371 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}
16:12 mircea_popescu besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters.
16:15 jurov "You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it."
16:15 jurov O.o o.O loool
16:15 mircea_popescu that's an approach
16:15 mircea_popescu are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ?
16:16 jurov yes
16:16 mircea_popescu do you feel what, amused ? insulted ?
16:16 jurov amused
16:16 ascii_field jurov: now to discover the payload!
16:16 mircea_popescu i wonder if it's per line.
16:16 jurov https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula/pull/16 << they quickly merged it
16:16 assbot Force usage of verified gpg key by jurov · Pull Request #16 · saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRfC0E )
16:18 mircea_popescu hm you did 22 lines right ?
16:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting.
16:18 mircea_popescu it's actually 0.005 per line.
16:19 jurov guess qntra pays better
16:19 mircea_popescu inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic"
16:20 mircea_popescu i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl.
16:21 mircea_popescu a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history.
16:21 ascii_field redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait, there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation.
16:22 mircea_popescu ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection"
16:22 ascii_field aha
16:25 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/ScottMAustin/status/563444449226014722 << O.o
16:25 assbot Likely why Twitter has been trying to get news out ahead of earnings: User growth was only 1.4%, the worst on record. /search?q=%24TWTR&src=ctag
16:25 mircea_popescu "he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties. In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. "
16:25 mircea_popescu he forgot to add mpex in there.
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.00039435 = 71.8111 BTC [+] {2}
16:38 mircea_popescu anyway, writing a response to http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007935
16:38 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
16:38 mircea_popescu should be good.
16:39 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time
16:39 pete_dushenski i've tried a few angles without success thus far
16:44 jurov http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
16:44 assbot The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRl7wk )
16:45 pete_dushenski twas in the logs
16:45 mircea_popescu jurov actually was on log.
16:46 the_scourge bears repeating :)
16:48 pete_dushenski speaking of bears, i'm hungry as one. laters
16:57 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it.
16:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:02 BingoBoingo http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/
17:02 assbot The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/16lJFMQ )
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.0003903 = 34.9319 BTC [-]
17:06 BingoBoingo "Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist."
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0003903 = 1.1709 BTC [-]
17:08 BingoBoingo "Ms. Kim’s next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, “Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary."
17:17 mod6 has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number?
17:17 mod6 tail -500000 blk0001.dat | xxd | grep "G0D" | wc -l
17:17 mod6 159025
17:18 BingoBoingo "This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCaleb’s ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room."
17:19 BingoBoingo mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify?
17:21 BingoBoingo "After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time."
17:21 mod6 na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe
17:21 BingoBoingo Ah
17:23 BingoBoingo "Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their children’s support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu
17:23 BingoBoingo ire its assets."
17:29 the_scourge i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture
17:30 BingoBoingo "Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as “secretary,” “executive director” and “member” (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled “How to Build a Startup from a Beach.”"
17:30 BingoBoingo the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns
17:31 the_scourge the internet is sirz bitnit
17:33 the_scourge http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/133/593/innanep.jpg
17:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkzQ1f )
17:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.0003903 = 5.6008 BTC [-]
17:37 BingoBoingo "This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currency’s market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)"
17:41 BingoBoingo "Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: “I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack.”"
17:43 ben_vulpes the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC
17:47 danielpbarron height=187521
17:48 mod6 lel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44887.msg537071#msg537071
17:48 assbot Bit-error in Block 108009, Tx 23 ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkE0Gn )
17:48 the_scourge ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money?
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-]
17:56 ben_vulpes the_scourge: you really have to ask?
17:57 the_scourge idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future
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18:17 ben_vulpes http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103
18:17 assbot Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkLngO )
18:18 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
18:18 mircea_popescu hey there.
18:21 danielpbarron ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install"
18:23 mircea_popescu ;;later tell phillipsjk http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
18:23 assbot Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN264 )
18:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:30 trinque ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder
18:32 jurov border personality?
18:32 BingoBoingo !b 2
18:32 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XSXRHH.txt )
18:34 mircea_popescu lol
18:34 trinque jurov: haaaaw
18:34 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/2333/
18:35 cazalla oops, forgot title
18:35 cazalla the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds..
18:35 ben_vulpes haw
18:36 mircea_popescu lawk
18:37 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-atm-operators-remove-machines-in-singapore/
18:37 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/
18:40 mircea_popescu danielpbarron wow nice find
18:40 ben_vulpes srs
18:40 ben_vulpes qntra's turning into quite the source these days
18:42 mircea_popescu mhm!
18:43 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
18:51 mircea_popescu "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
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18:51 mircea_popescu who the fuck is this bernardlunn.com imbecile.
18:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half.
18:55 mircea_popescu phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area."
18:55 mircea_popescu !rated phillipsjk
18:55 assbot You have not rated phillipsjk.
18:55 mircea_popescu !rate phillipsjk 1 His simplicity is endearing.
18:55 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/87ab615b672803ae
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18:56 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for phillipsjk with note: His simplicity is endearing.
19:00 mircea_popescu in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.
19:00 mircea_popescu "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
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19:08 danielpbarron ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D
19:08 danielpbarron time for dinner.
19:09 mircea_popescu wd!
19:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46627 @ 0.0003903 = 18.1985 BTC [-]
19:15 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
19:15 kanzure hello
19:15 mircea_popescu hey, what does it say ?
19:16 kanzure Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.
19:16 mircea_popescu %d srsly ?
19:16 kanzure well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life
19:17 mircea_popescu lol
19:18 mircea_popescu it'd help if i could actually check it ?
19:18 kanzure http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2
19:18 assbot Public Key Server -- Get ``0x984f10cc77169fd2 '' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3haAu )
19:18 kanzure http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2
19:18 assbot Search results for '0x984f10cc77169fd2' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3h9g3 )
19:19 kanzure also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?
19:19 mircea_popescu wait it was a loleffort ?
19:19 mircea_popescu i was totally boggled because wtf is this.
19:20 kanzure hard to explain
19:20 kanzure i was trying to do both sort of
19:20 kanzure like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required
19:20 kanzure however... it's required.
19:20 mircea_popescu !register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ?
19:20 assbot Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.
19:20 mircea_popescu who can possibly require it ?
19:21 kanzure no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others
19:22 kanzure quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious
19:22 mircea_popescu <assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.
19:22 mircea_popescu <assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported.
19:22 kanzure or have different implementations
19:22 mircea_popescu this is how mine looked.
19:23 kanzure "Nick kanzure is already taken."
19:23 kanzure btw this used to work
19:23 felipelalli cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!
19:23 kanzure i have made no changes
19:24 mircea_popescu ugh.
19:24 mircea_popescu well kakobrekla might be able to help you.
19:24 kakobrekla !gettrust assbot kanzure
19:24 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kanzure | http://w.b-a.link/user/kanzure
19:24 kakobrekla !up and !v
19:24 mircea_popescu ah right.
19:24 mircea_popescu kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v
19:25 mircea_popescu !down kanzure
19:25 mircea_popescu see if this works
19:25 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
19:25 mircea_popescu <kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""
19:25 mircea_popescu he sez.
19:25 kanzure "!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."
19:26 BingoBoingo felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net
19:26 kanzure this is retarded
19:26 kanzure can someone just give me assbot source code or something
19:26 kakobrekla is key on keyserver ?
19:26 kanzure we've been over this
19:26 felipelalli BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.
19:27 mircea_popescu kanzure well... nodes are hostile all teh time
19:27 felipelalli And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.
19:27 kanzure mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).
19:28 kanzure part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head
19:28 kanzure just seems unlikely
19:28 kanzure and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy
19:29 mircea_popescu you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is
19:29 kanzure ah...
19:30 kanzure yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment
19:32 kanzure also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.
19:32 kakobrekla your key was never imported
19:33 kakobrekla how have you been over this
19:33 cazalla felipelalli, pete submitted an article about that news yesterday - http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/
19:33 assbot Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3iWlf )
19:34 felipelalli cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.
19:34 cazalla np
19:34 felipelalli I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.
19:34 kanzure kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?
19:35 kakobrekla kanzure via old gribble auth.
19:36 kanzure ah fascinating
19:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128800 @ 0.00039625 = 51.037 BTC [+] {3}
20:01 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
20:01 mircea_popescu yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked
20:02 mircea_popescu in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.
20:02 mircea_popescu incentives are always a contextual matter.
20:03 mircea_popescu the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54917 @ 0.00039001 = 21.4182 BTC [-] {2}
20:06 BingoBoingo !up Alina-malina
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00038334 = 4.1914 BTC [-]
20:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00039753 = 13.8937 BTC [+] {2}
20:20 asciilifeform kanzure: planar engine?
20:20 kanzure was not aware of gribble fork
20:20 kanzure asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept
20:20 kanzure asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-02-05.log
20:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3oz2M )
20:20 kanzure asciilifeform: i'm thinking of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor
20:20 assbot Scroll compressor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3ozjm )
20:21 asciilifeform kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ?
20:21 asciilifeform i don't think it gets any simpler than that
20:21 kanzure wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat
20:22 asciilifeform flat enough with one disk
20:22 kanzure hm.
20:22 asciilifeform http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter
20:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEhQum )
20:23 Bet created: "TSLA above $265.00 at close of trading on 17-JUL-2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1116/
20:25 mircea_popescu So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis
20:25 asciilifeform kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ?
20:25 mircea_popescu ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom
20:25 mircea_popescu en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an
20:25 mircea_popescu d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.
20:25 mircea_popescu god i searched for that quote...
20:25 mircea_popescu fucking lori gottlieb
20:25 asciilifeform kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston.
20:25 kanzure asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.
20:26 kanzure hm
20:26 asciilifeform kanzure: you now have answer.
20:26 mircea_popescu im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!
20:27 kanzure it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"
20:27 asciilifeform i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching
20:27 kanzure correct
20:27 mircea_popescu so it's really "printable engine" ?
20:27 asciilifeform (etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here)
20:27 kanzure i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself
20:28 mircea_popescu kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.
20:28 kanzure well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering
20:28 kanzure (i dropped out)
20:29 mircea_popescu basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.
20:29 asciilifeform kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive.
20:29 kanzure asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.
20:30 kanzure but more would be nice
20:30 asciilifeform and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced
20:30 kanzure that's more the reason here
20:30 mircea_popescu well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.
20:30 asciilifeform force exerted on what ?
20:30 asciilifeform ^
20:30 kanzure nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess
20:31 mircea_popescu so, small ?
20:31 asciilifeform there is no such thing as 'generic actuator'
20:31 kanzure linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)
20:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D
20:31 asciilifeform does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ?
20:31 kanzure oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion
20:31 mircea_popescu by using parts lol
20:32 asciilifeform !up kanzure
20:32 mircea_popescu "Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."
20:32 mircea_popescu i'd like to pay for this guy to have babies.
20:33 kanzure i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this
20:33 kanzure since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it
20:33 asciilifeform kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks.
20:33 kanzure a comb drive is approximately what i want
20:33 kanzure except it doesn't work for large amounts of force
20:33 kanzure or at "large" scale
20:33 asciilifeform hell, mhd actuator
20:33 asciilifeform as much force as you can sink heat.
20:34 asciilifeform (do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not)
20:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement
20:34 asciilifeform mhd - no parts at all
20:34 mircea_popescu rather than force.
20:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: referring to mhd
20:34 kanzure hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.
20:34 asciilifeform where - little precision, arbitrary force
20:34 asciilifeform if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd.
20:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was that tlp ?
20:35 mircea_popescu yes it was tlp.
20:35 kanzure where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators
20:35 asciilifeform kanzure: your desk
20:35 mircea_popescu anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.
20:36 asciilifeform kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept
20:36 asciilifeform with elementary equip.
20:37 kanzure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JW-Ifg4wA
20:37 assbot High-thrust spiral motor : DigInfo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEl29i )
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle.
20:37 kanzure hm no
20:37 kanzure perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM
20:37 assbot self-powered magnetohydrodynamic motor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEleW3 )
20:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.
20:38 asciilifeform kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile.
20:38 mircea_popescu well youtube research has its advantages.
20:38 kanzure a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab
20:39 asciilifeform a decade in the lab saves you a minute...
20:39 asciilifeform (where? on #b-a, naturally.)
20:39 kanzure right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.
20:40 asciilifeform kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ?
20:40 kanzure vaguely connected i suppose
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38793 @ 0.00039754 = 15.4218 BTC [+]
20:40 mircea_popescu kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.
20:40 kanzure having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons
20:41 kanzure of bottles?
20:41 mircea_popescu use precompressed gas, or combustion or w/e.
20:41 asciilifeform kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb.
20:41 kanzure fascinating
20:41 asciilifeform or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver
20:42 asciilifeform *piston
20:42 mircea_popescu oh!
20:42 mircea_popescu ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.
20:42 asciilifeform neither has moving parts in the usual sense
20:42 kanzure someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute
20:42 mircea_popescu what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?
20:42 kanzure also for cell lysis but w/e
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass)
20:43 mircea_popescu laser way cheaper.
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well
20:43 mircea_popescu i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution
20:43 kanzure yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser
20:43 asciilifeform kanzure: 'ebay' is.
20:43 mircea_popescu or w/e impurity works well for your wavelength
20:43 asciilifeform kanzure: how many do you need ?
20:44 asciilifeform (you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit)
20:44 mircea_popescu ^
20:44 mircea_popescu laser is cheapest for many reasons
20:44 kanzure ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again
20:44 kanzure gah why did you send to me ebay
20:44 kanzure how about alibaba
20:45 asciilifeform if you need 1 - ebay
20:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.
20:45 asciilifeform 1mil+ - alibaba
20:45 kanzure anyway this is not for micromotion
20:45 asciilifeform then - for what ?
20:46 asciilifeform kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective
20:46 kanzure why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(
20:46 asciilifeform can.
20:46 asciilifeform we named how many? 6 ?
20:47 cazalla http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/man-admits-driving-pickup-truck-into-calgary-courts-centre <<< not qntra worthy but man drives his truck into court house, demands they submit to bitcoin lol
20:47 assbot Man admits driving pickup truck into Calgary Courts Centre | Calgary Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3s09J )
20:47 kanzure let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe
20:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.
20:47 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/563512344308117504 << OTR and ephemeral keys have use cases
20:47 assbot It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka
20:47 kanzure or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..
20:47 mircea_popescu First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.
20:47 mircea_popescu Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."
20:47 asciilifeform kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ?
20:47 mircea_popescu cazalla sheit ? why not qntra worthy ?
20:48 kanzure asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.
20:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?
20:48 kanzure mhd looks like it could work
20:48 asciilifeform kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd
20:48 asciilifeform if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire'
20:49 kanzure i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh
20:49 cazalla mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on
20:49 mircea_popescu i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.
20:49 mircea_popescu hopefully more people do exactly the same.
20:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.
20:50 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)
20:50 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?
20:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later
20:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes did you actually see the guy's cv ?
20:51 ben_vulpes yes.
20:51 mircea_popescu o.O
20:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.
20:51 mircea_popescu holy shit, and that's all you had to say ?
20:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone.
20:51 mircea_popescu i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.
20:51 ben_vulpes kinda what i was going for
20:52 mircea_popescu i had no idea you're that smooth.
20:52 kanzure asciilifeform: here are some things i was looking at yesterday http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/
20:52 mircea_popescu no wonder you get laid.
20:52 kanzure asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)
20:52 kanzure planning on same system for microfluidics adventures
20:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.
20:53 mircea_popescu kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano
20:53 kanzure basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube
20:53 asciilifeform kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf.
20:53 kanzure have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff
20:53 asciilifeform wat
20:54 kanzure hmm then i will pencil that in sometime
20:54 kanzure basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation
20:54 asciilifeform kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation'
20:54 asciilifeform for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices
20:54 kanzure microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)
20:54 mircea_popescu what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?
20:55 asciilifeform except as tiny dribbles of leak
20:55 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately
20:55 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
20:55 kanzure that's not what i mean
20:55 ben_vulpes assuming he's not a plant, that is
20:55 asciilifeform and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production
20:55 kanzure if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made
20:56 ben_vulpes making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.
20:56 kanzure that's only because we're idiots
20:56 ben_vulpes impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.
20:57 mircea_popescu no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.
20:57 kanzure asciilifeform: pick and places are getting pretty cheap... though this one might still be out of my budget range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRu02F6AOmg&t=40s
20:57 assbot Fuji CP-643 Chip Shooter 20 Head - Circuit Board Assembly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEoDEf )
20:58 asciilifeform kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it
20:59 asciilifeform kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!!
20:59 kanzure i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home
20:59 kanzure blah
21:00 mircea_popescu stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie
21:00 asciilifeform dr34mz
21:01 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams
21:01 ben_vulpes i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing
21:01 ben_vulpes a fucking waste oil furnace
21:01 ben_vulpes my own flash boiler
21:01 ben_vulpes a reheater
21:01 mircea_popescu o.O
21:01 kanzure asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.
21:01 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what?!
21:02 mircea_popescu i never was that cool as a boy.
21:02 asciilifeform kanzure: try with smaller organism first ?
21:02 kanzure of course
21:02 kanzure way ahead of you
21:02 asciilifeform kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum
21:02 kanzure well why bother with breathing at that point? what?
21:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3}
21:02 decimation lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?
21:02 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?
21:03 mircea_popescu allegedly.
21:03 asciilifeform kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice?
21:03 mircea_popescu but building furnaces ? that's like work.
21:03 asciilifeform kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ?
21:03 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance
21:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: neato
21:04 asciilifeform i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters
21:04 asciilifeform they're nearly perfect for the job as they come
21:04 mircea_popescu incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?
21:04 ben_vulpes never got the gas steam bearings to work tho
21:05 decimation mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "
21:06 mircea_popescu decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.
21:06 decimation yeah he makes alot of sense
21:07 ben_vulpes i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac
21:07 mircea_popescu " My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing
21:07 mircea_popescu "therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?"
21:07 mircea_popescu the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.
21:08 mircea_popescu "how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"
21:08 mircea_popescu sounds like fucking plato already.
21:08 decimation re: 30 cents an hour: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/massive-worldwide-layoff-underway-at-ibm "At more than 100,000 people, that makes it the largest mass layoff at any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years."
21:08 assbot Massive Worldwide Layoff Underway At IBM - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEq7yl )
21:08 mircea_popescu "you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'
21:09 mircea_popescu decimation from the very log of the very day : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1009373
21:09 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
21:09 ben_vulpes oh yeah that idiot
21:09 ben_vulpes fintech whatever whatever?
21:09 ben_vulpes dunn something?
21:09 decimation yeah it's thriving alright
21:10 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.
21:10 mircea_popescu real estate company for the win.
21:10 decimation as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code
21:10 mircea_popescu but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.
21:10 BingoBoingo IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation
21:12 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam
21:12 mircea_popescu trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.
21:12 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought
21:13 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?
21:13 ben_vulpes hmwat?
21:13 ben_vulpes d and t?
21:13 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
21:13 assbot Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3u819 )
21:13 mircea_popescu the post phillip guy was concerned with.
21:14 asciilifeform ^ epic ps0t btw
21:14 decimation re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history
21:14 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008091 << bnwahaha
21:14 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
21:14 mircea_popescu decimation but they made so many!
21:15 decimation they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it
21:15 mircea_popescu but no. i suspect that may be missing the point.
21:16 mircea_popescu see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.
21:16 mircea_popescu because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.
21:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.
21:17 mircea_popescu trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.
21:17 ben_vulpes i don't believe anything
21:17 mircea_popescu except some times.
21:18 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind
21:18 mod6 ok, i've dumped block 168000
21:18 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vxM6dfwC
21:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEroWi )
21:18 mircea_popescu o.O it's text ?!
21:19 ben_vulpes nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes
21:19 mod6 haha
21:19 mircea_popescu BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.
21:20 ben_vulpes whaddayamean, "checks out"
21:20 mircea_popescu uhm. there's nothing actually wrong with this block.
21:20 mod6 and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere
21:20 mod6 mircea_popescu: correct.
21:21 mod6 take a look at this other test i ran today with /just/ v0.5.3 basecode: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx
21:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DErQ6I )
21:21 mircea_popescu mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be
21:21 ben_vulpes what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?
21:21 mod6 block 168,000 was accepted
21:21 mircea_popescu which is why i asked for dump
21:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs
21:21 mod6 something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature
21:22 mircea_popescu mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.
21:22 mircea_popescu a diddled 168`001 block, not even nearly so much.
21:22 mod6 maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block
21:23 mircea_popescu this doesn't seem to be in any way ungood.
21:23 mod6 maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.
21:23 ben_vulpes i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled
21:23 mircea_popescu it's not, no.
21:23 mod6 well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.
21:23 mod6 i can still provide some sort of binary dump.
21:23 mod6 im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can
21:24 mircea_popescu works mod6
21:24 mod6 you testing on your end?
21:25 mod6 nm.
21:25 mircea_popescu well i've not got a wedged one
21:25 mod6 that's good!
21:26 mod6 which version, which patches?
21:27 trinque mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish
21:27 trinque that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013
21:27 mircea_popescu mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012
21:27 mod6 oh, ok.
21:27 trinque I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime
21:27 ben_vulpes not cockchain!
21:28 trinque ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...
21:28 mircea_popescu yeah don't drag that in .
21:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...'
21:28 mod6 yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.
21:29 mircea_popescu howling shit whay this log no ends!
21:29 mircea_popescu i've been reading at it all day
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]
21:30 mod6 hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest.
21:31 mod6 so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.
21:31 mod6 :]
21:32 mircea_popescu "Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the world’s leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."
21:32 mircea_popescu blergh.
21:32 ben_vulpes none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?
21:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ?
21:32 mircea_popescu "dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."
21:32 mircea_popescu not afaik ?
21:32 asciilifeform 288888, incidentally.
21:33 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?
21:33 mircea_popescu "From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"
21:35 mod6 this is the txhash that it pukes on: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c
21:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEuolt )
21:39 danielpbarron mine didn't wedge
21:40 danielpbarron height=188068
21:40 danielpbarron it's the porta-tronic-bastard version
21:40 mircea_popescu !rated lobbes
21:40 assbot You have not rated lobbes.
21:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends
21:40 assbot The Chemical Worker's Song by Great Big Sea - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEvv4G )
21:40 danielpbarron i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself
21:40 mircea_popescu !rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...
21:40 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0aab3f743d4aad9b
21:42 mircea_popescu omfg done! yay!
21:43 asciilifeform danielpbarron: neato
21:43 asciilifeform danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ?
21:44 danielpbarron ya
21:44 danielpbarron idk if it'll work yet but i have a bitcoind
21:45 danielpbarron i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation
21:45 danielpbarron that fixed it.
21:50 asciilifeform danielpbarron: what version of openssl ?
21:50 danielpbarron same as yours in auto.sh
21:51 asciilifeform building on what platform ?
21:51 danielpbarron the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing
21:51 danielpbarron gentoo
21:51 asciilifeform odd, then
21:51 asciilifeform should not have had to change anything.
21:51 asciilifeform whatsoever.
21:51 danielpbarron that's the assumption that was holding me back :p
21:51 danielpbarron idk i probably messed something up somewhere
21:52 danielpbarron this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something
21:52 asciilifeform 66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
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21:52 asciilifeform (sha512)
21:52 asciilifeform what's yours ?
21:52 decimation mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance
21:52 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you
21:52 danielpbarron i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform
21:52 decimation they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not
21:53 decimation the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'
21:53 danielpbarron oh wait i have it hosted already
21:53 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
21:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEytpU )
21:53 ben_vulpes ssn secret is best secret
21:53 danielpbarron ctrl+f openssl
21:53 asciilifeform danielpbarron: read the makefile
21:53 asciilifeform danielpbarron: 'install' is 'all install_docs install_sw'
21:53 asciilifeform i take it you had the latex docs bug ?
21:54 danielpbarron yes
21:54 asciilifeform then safe to ignore.
21:55 mircea_popescu decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?
21:57 decimation in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf
21:57 asciilifeform and, depending on your credit rating, buy a 'boeing' with no questions asked.
21:57 decimation similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills
21:57 asciilifeform usg sees this as a civil service!
21:58 asciilifeform i.e. if you refuse to sell yourself into debt slavery, someone is to do it for you.
21:58 decimation somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem
21:58 asciilifeform a... 24 bit? secret
21:58 asciilifeform big fat secret.
21:58 decimation asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number
21:59 decimation and checking account number
21:59 asciilifeform which is known to ten thousand waiters.
21:59 asciilifeform checking << known to everyone you ever write a cheque to...
22:00 decimation asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system
22:01 asciilifeform the biggest criminal, usg, makes most of it.
22:01 decimation it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style
22:02 mircea_popescu well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O
22:02 * asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name
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22:02 asciilifeform we all want to use mircea_popescu's bank of mars.
22:03 mircea_popescu crazy huh.
22:03 asciilifeform they caught the woman, eventually, and there was some penalty (a light one, iirc) but it did not send the creditors back to the holes they crawled out of
22:03 asciilifeform and, having the option to be rid of this mess, he took it
22:03 decimation asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars
22:04 asciilifeform they also get best of both worlds if the victim is retarded, and saddles himself with the debt
22:04 asciilifeform in any number of ways
22:04 asciilifeform (in most u.s. states, paying even a penny - glues it to you permanently)
22:05 mircea_popescu nah, only for five years iirc.
22:05 decimation the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy
22:05 asciilifeform ianal.
22:05 mircea_popescu course if you "continue contact" it resets
22:07 asciilifeform system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy << at this point, this is not unlike worrying about the health effects of the embalming solution undertakers inject into their 'patients'
22:07 decimation 'begging for gpg via media' http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
22:07 assbot The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEC1s6 )
22:08 asciilifeform decimation: looks like that fella wins 'beggar of the year' ?
22:08 decimation asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope
22:08 asciilifeform a number of common household tools in the photo
22:09 mircea_popescu "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
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22:09 mircea_popescu ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ?
22:09 asciilifeform a cheapo soldering station, etc.
22:09 asciilifeform 'model m', with the inevitable pen clutter
22:09 decimation mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region
22:10 asciilifeform afaik they still are ?
22:10 decimation no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think
22:11 asciilifeform pointless distraction.
22:14 asciilifeform the fiat world's refusal to use modern crypto exclusively is not a mistake, not an accident, not sloth
22:14 decimation http://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html << all you wanted to know
22:14 assbot Social Security Number Randomization ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEE2Va )
22:14 asciilifeform it is a deliberate and planned act
22:14 asciilifeform just like the failure-to-mention-mpex discussed in mircea_popescu's article
22:15 decimation asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card
22:15 asciilifeform forget universal anything-card
22:15 decimation but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway
22:15 asciilifeform just the notion that 'you are a key'
22:15 asciilifeform not even necessarily one key
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.0003885 = 6.2008 BTC [-]
22:16 decimation why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them?
22:16 asciilifeform but the notion that commercial identity can exist outside of a key - is a work of the beast.
22:17 decimation asciilifeform: aye that's true
22:17 decimation but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys
22:18 asciilifeform naturally.
22:18 asciilifeform it would be unthinkable for anyone other than usg to wipe arses, if this were practical.
22:21 asciilifeform (for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << describes, among other things, the curious fact that within usg, only specially trained gnomes are permitted the privilege of generating keys, for use by all ranks from private to president)
22:21 assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM )
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2}
22:21 decimation or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank
22:22 asciilifeform that was conclusively suppressed after u.s. civil war, iirc.
22:22 thestringpuller the keymaker isn't entirely bad concept
22:23 asciilifeform thestringpuller: for whom ?
22:23 decimation ah, yes, the author of gpg is a ham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dd9jn
22:23 assbot User:Dd9jn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEGomQ )
22:23 asciilifeform thestringpuller: for keymaker - a smashingly great concept.
22:23 thestringpuller have you not seen the matrix?
22:23 thestringpuller why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel?
22:23 asciilifeform thestringpuller: you go and fuck your wife, but you mustn't slip it in directly - gotta put it in this little gnome fella first
22:24 asciilifeform and he sticks his in the wife
22:24 asciilifeform any other way - treasonous.
22:24 thestringpuller from this standpoint yes
22:24 thestringpuller but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker
22:24 mod6 lol pillow pants
22:25 thestringpuller is extremely valuable
22:25 thestringpuller unlock all the things
22:25 thestringpuller mod6: has been watching too many mc hammer videos
22:25 asciilifeform ;;ud pillow pants
22:25 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pillow+pants | pillow pants. Pussy Troll. The parents place it in their daughter pussy. If a penis trys entering the pussy before the age of 21 then the Pussy Troll will bite it off.
22:27 thestringpuller TIL
22:28 mircea_popescu ...
22:28 mircea_popescu so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone
22:28 asciilifeform aha.
22:28 mircea_popescu and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead
22:28 mircea_popescu this sounds a lot like getting used skin to live in.
22:29 asciilifeform and for all of fiddybucks, a name, mailing addr., work history, political party, to go with it.
22:29 asciilifeform generally the credit agencies are somewhat better at tracking deaths than, e.g., the voter rolls
22:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway.
22:29 asciilifeform see above
22:29 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days
22:29 thestringpuller or at least cover
22:30 asciilifeform thestringpuller: it is a traditional algorithm for crafting fake people for official uses
22:30 asciilifeform not even a secret of any kind
22:30 asciilifeform (openly discussed in agency-authorized historical texts)
22:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: usg does not care (or even encourages, see earlier 'house-buying' postdoc story) about a plebe impersonating another plebe.
22:32 asciilifeform when some hobo successfully impersonates obama, or buffett - then.
22:32 mod6 thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/-YaX2jLc_ko
22:32 assbot Clerks 2- pillowpants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmcqA )
22:32 mircea_popescu i doubt it's aware enough for something like this.
22:32 thestringpuller good 'ol kevin smith
22:33 asciilifeform who wants to be the first to buy a certified pre-owned (tm) ru nuke sub as mr buffett ?
22:33 decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-usa-intelligence-mobile-idUSTRE78M5BI20110923
22:33 assbot Not so simple: U.S. spy agency trying to go mobile| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmoX0 )
22:33 decimation "Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official."
22:34 decimation apparently nobody in usg gives a shit
22:34 asciilifeform the 'obamaphone' (not the one handed out to paupers, the other obamaphone) is well-known at this point
22:36 decimation http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE6BF6BZ20101216 < ""There's no such thing as 'secure' any more," Debora Plunkett of the National Security Agency said on Thursday amid U.S. anger and embarrassment over disclosure of sensitive diplomatic cables by the web site WikiLeaks."
22:36 assbot U.S. code-cracking agency works as if compromised| Technology| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEJEyK )
22:36 mircea_popescu decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian.
22:37 mircea_popescu to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad"
22:37 asciilifeform decimation: that article has the beginnings of a glorious 'onion piece'
22:37 mircea_popescu iirc in russian similarly.,
22:37 asciilifeform 'of course we must assume that the adversary owns the network. this is why nukes must be expected to fly anywhere at all, .... ...'
22:38 asciilifeform 'state ipad', but one nitpick, this presumes that somewhere there lives a 'normal' one.
22:39 mircea_popescu no. just a... sexy one.
22:39 asciilifeform http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/05/why-we-should-care-about-domestic-drones-and-how-to-bring-them-down << loltronic
22:39 assbot Why we should worry about domestic drones and how to bring them down ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmnB0l )
22:39 mircea_popescu people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting.
22:39 mircea_popescu merely, younger, nakeder, eager-er.
22:39 asciilifeform ^ recall mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' article
22:39 decimation asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation
22:40 decimation "making things secure is hard, let's just give up"
22:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh.
22:40 asciilifeform decimation: psyops to make plebes give up sooner.
22:40 decimation eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent
22:41 asciilifeform [insert 'meta-nsa' thread here]
22:42 decimation aye
22:42 asciilifeform 'A Homeland Security sensor deployed to spot — but not interfere with — drones flying above the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Minneapolis last July “cost several hundred thousand dollars to operate for just that night,” reported the New York Times.'
22:42 * asciilifeform falls down from lulz
22:43 asciilifeform 'The Secret Service uses covert radio-frequency jammers inside a Chevrolet Suburban that travels with the president’s motorcade. These devices disable remotely triggered improvised bombs. But because they have to disable explosives set off by a potentially large number of frequencies, the jammers saturate a wide spectrum, occasionally interfering with cellphones nearby.' << this deserves an aside
22:43 asciilifeform the particular apparatus involved is discussed in reasonably clear terms in textbooks
22:44 asciilifeform e.g., r. poisel's 'communications electronic warfare systems'
22:44 asciilifeform ^ not a bad place to start
22:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ 'g3n3r1c j4mm3rz!'
22:45 mircea_popescu um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ?
22:45 mircea_popescu what are these people, idiots ?
22:45 asciilifeform what's actually inside? unsurprisingly, a catalogue of frequencies used by cellular, wireless housephones, toy cars, teledildoes...
22:46 asciilifeform wouldn't you set off << a) no, because, e.g., toy car or phone has a discriminator - required bitstring (a la 'MAC address') that must match
22:46 asciilifeform to avoid interference from neighbours' teledildoes
22:46 decimation asciilifeform: re: wasting money on 'security' < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/
22:46 assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh )
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038944 = 25.703 BTC [-]
22:46 asciilifeform b) if set off, because receiver was built from shoebox, string and dead squirrel - this is meant to happen -before- the truck reaches the mine
22:47 decimation not if the bomb is sufficiently large
22:47 asciilifeform decimation: see also 'wasp'.
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you make your own reception.
22:47 mircea_popescu set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it
22:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: americans themselves have a specially custom rocket that does only this.
22:47 mircea_popescu right.
22:47 asciilifeform and likewise most nations
22:47 * decimation does not condone violence against any living thing
22:48 * asciilifeform condones violence against chickens
22:48 * asciilifeform and potatoes
22:49 mircea_popescu i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement.
22:49 mircea_popescu wtf bs violence is this.
22:49 decimation like your software license?
22:50 mircea_popescu i guess so, huh.
22:50 asciilifeform unlicense!
22:51 mircea_popescu 'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.'
22:51 asciilifeform https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-chinese-military-blasted-a-private-drone-with-a-shotgun-5789a7483014
22:51 assbot The Chinese Military Blasted a Private Drone With a Shotgun — War Is Boring — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmpIBo )
22:51 asciilifeform ^ related
22:55 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/canadian-mans-letter-to-court-accept-bitcoin-as-the-one-and-only-global-currency/
22:56 asciilifeform re: jammers:
22:56 asciilifeform terrain tracking navigator is not such a hard problem.
22:56 asciilifeform jam that.
22:57 mircea_popescu duffel ?
22:59 decimation re: ibm < of course the 100,000 person layoff comes after paying $1.3 bn to not make chips anymore http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192430-ibm-dumps-chip-unit-pays-globalfoundries-1-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands
22:59 assbot IBM sells chip business to GlobalFoundries for $1.5 billion (updated) | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmqNJt )
22:59 decimation which is of course its only possible route to relevance
23:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3234 @ 0.00096158 = 3.1097 BTC [-] {8}
23:02 asciilifeform !s ibm real estate
23:02 assbot 2 results for 'ibm real estate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ibm+real+estate
23:03 asciilifeform how the mighty have fallen! and to think, ibm was once the sole source of jew list tabulators to nazis
23:03 decimation asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now
23:03 decimation kind like hp's core business is printer ink
23:04 asciilifeform or texas instruments and the remaining pocket calculators
23:04 decimation at least ti still makes chips
23:04 asciilifeform 'makes'
23:04 asciilifeform in asia.
23:04 decimation well, yeah
23:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/
23:06 mircea_popescu nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants.
23:06 asciilifeform 1.5b for ibm's chip div. << state of maryland could have bought one and a half of these for the cost of road 200 (a recently built, money-losing toll road i frequent.)
23:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the calculators use very well-understood, ancient components
23:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on account of the designs dating back to the mid '80s
23:07 asciilifeform as i understand, they've introduced a few devices where this 'problem' is 'fixed'
23:07 asciilifeform (an 'arm' cpu, fat ram, and... an emulator of the 1980s calcs)
23:08 mircea_popescu myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab >
23:08 mircea_popescu >D
23:08 asciilifeform l0l
23:08 asciilifeform http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-07-26_Overclocking_the_TI-83+_Graphing_Calculator/overview.jpg << not mine. but did this for a few classmates as a schoolboy
23:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmst5B )
23:09 asciilifeform ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school
23:09 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel
23:09 decimation asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph)
23:10 decimation it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons
23:10 asciilifeform aha
23:10 asciilifeform empty on account of outlandish tolls
23:10 asciilifeform interestingly, speed limit could easily be enforced by the (photo-operated) toll machines - but isn't
23:11 asciilifeform instead, there are 6 (?) policecars, in special '200' livery, at all times.
23:11 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/agreement-allows-konterra-project-to-move-forward/2011/04/19/AF4neD7D_blog.html "The pact includes construction of a planned I-95 interchange with Contee Road near Maryland Route 198, and extension of Virginia Manor Road for access to the proposed 2,200-acre mixed-use development."
23:11 assbot Agreement allows Konterra project to move forward - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DERLLF )
23:11 asciilifeform spot checks, so nobody actually drives the limit
23:12 decimation asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit
23:12 asciilifeform i bet mircea_popescu knows what the pupils -actually- did with those calculators.
23:13 asciilifeform http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t1_drug_wars2.jpg
23:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DES6y7 )
23:13 decimation heh I used to play that game on bbs's
23:13 asciilifeform decimation: same dynamics as the management of hunting in game preserves.
23:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you had a ti92. what was https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vYjLMFABxoRvDQUr.huge ?
23:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtH0T )
23:16 decimation http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/04212011/busiplo163111_32533.php < " O'Malley thanked the Konterra developers, Kingdon Gould Jr. and his son Caleb Gould, for cooperating to allow the state to move forward with the ICC plan without the costs of going to court to acquire the land."
23:16 assbot ICC pieces fall into place for Konterra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtPgR )
23:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is.
23:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from five minute's dig, seems like it was a rom.
23:17 mircea_popescu "And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. "
23:18 mircea_popescu dude... this puts mpoe-pr to shame
23:18 mircea_popescu "simply a hole in the air" !?
23:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: toldya he was worth digging into
23:18 mircea_popescu !up rodgort
23:18 Bet created: "American Sniper wins Oscar for Best Picture" http://bitbet.us/bet/1117/
23:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61721 @ 0.0003888 = 23.9971 BTC [-]
23:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing.
23:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i had several. see log
23:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the original 'blue arrow keys' was best.
23:20 BingoBoingo That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign
23:20 asciilifeform not just that
23:21 asciilifeform the later grey blob, with the usb jack, also had... a boot time.
23:21 asciilifeform (a second or so, but it much grated on the nerves)
23:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=253&image_id=3667 << the 'plus module' from earlier. updated rom + eeprom (original -92 lacked eeprom)
23:25 assbot TI-Planet | Voir l'image - Module TI-92 Plus ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvdQD )
23:25 cazalla ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse
23:25 asciilifeform http://www.cemetech.net/img/misc/collection2013a.jpg
23:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvine )
23:25 asciilifeform ^ all of them, i think
23:26 BingoBoingo That is a collection
23:27 BingoBoingo The 86 was a good looking computer
23:30 asciilifeform http://goughlui.com/2015/01/29/review-teardown-apotop-wi-copy-dw21-5200mah-power-bank << this wants to be a node
23:30 assbot Review, Teardown: Apotop Wi-Copy (DW21) 5200mAh Power Bank | Gough's Tech Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEWzkd )
23:31 asciilifeform but, unless i missed something, no info anywhere re: ram on the board.
23:31 asciilifeform if anyone has one of these, please pop the cover and take a photo.
23:32 asciilifeform of the side not shown, that is
23:33 asciilifeform i like that the 802.11 card - comes off.
23:34 thestringpuller asciilifeform: has the best toys
23:34 asciilifeform ^ not mine
23:34 asciilifeform all i have is this picture.
23:39 decimation asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery
23:41 asciilifeform peculiarly high price tag, but perhaps will fall to somewhere close to zero as they sit on the shelves.
23:42 decimation what's the point of the battery?
23:42 decimation backup for power failure?
23:42 asciilifeform these are, i think, meant to be used with iPnohe
23:42 asciilifeform which does not allow expansion of storage in the customary way
23:42 asciilifeform (no slots)
23:43 asciilifeform but luser gets to stuff sd card or usb drive into this gizmo, which serves up contents over http
23:43 decimation lol that's silly
23:43 asciilifeform silly or not, apparently there are at least half a dozen makers of just this.
23:44 decimation but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets
23:44 asciilifeform i looked at several when hunting for node hardware
23:44 asciilifeform none had any more than 32m of ram
23:47 decimation asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant?
23:50 asciilifeform decimation: interestingly!
23:51 decimation ah RTL8196D
23:51 asciilifeform aha.
23:51 decimation mips64?
23:52 asciilifeform for some reason sitting on the wireless daughterboard.
23:53 asciilifeform 32, iirc
23:55 decimation well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android
23:55 asciilifeform there is a mips-android...
23:55 asciilifeform (even x86, iirc.)
23:56 decimation ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion
23:57 decimation huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips
23:58 decimation actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts
23:58 asciilifeform not at the sticker price.
23:59 decimation nah, but less than say $20-30
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