00:16 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071685 << I feel like Oliver Wendell Holmes would be proud. |
00:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 18:38:39 asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit |
00:17 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071683 << that is to say, collective experience is sovereign. |
00:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 18:37:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071678 << of course not. ( for folx who did not read the linked lul: story ended with microshit.shithub ~confiscating~ the repo and freezing in old version, the one w/out the infinite loop) |
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01:34 |
whaack |
!e view-height |
01:34 |
trbexplorer |
block_height: 717949 |
01:34 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 717949 1 |
01:34 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QvZf 1 of 1 |
01:34 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 717949 0 |
01:34 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=HTq_ 1 of 1 |
01:35 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 717948 0 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Ncgf 1 of 1 |
01:35 |
whaack |
!e view-block 717940 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
height: 717940 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
size: 301835 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
version: 820436992 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
prev_hash: 00000000000000000009b52f8c1b8b62cbde802225e503e2c7eee6034c94fc82 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
hash: 00000000000000000004db4bd9bb5602ca45e49fc049ee4185f0caa84ca9d92e |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
merkle_root: 236155f59d49d897a7c1d51a95b6d8c96ad72df021a3f3dfaba9a366d6325607 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
timestamp: 1641774032 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
target: 386632843 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
nonce: 593490181 |
01:35 |
trbexplorer |
num_txns: 962 |
01:36 |
whaack |
billmg: your logger shows tabs as spaces, not sure this is something that necessarily should be fixed |
01:36 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: yours as well |
01:37 |
verisimilitude |
Oh say, I'd a persistent issue sending email, because Google burdens emails that pass through IPv6, and I couldn't figure out how to configure the email sender I used to prefer IPv4 universally. I solved the issue by figuring out how to disable IPv6 on the entire server. |
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01:47 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: my test of "whats 3x9" has proved completely ineffective, i've gotten so much spam it's almost as if the bots have been encouraged by the challenge, maybe there's someway they are sidestepping the question entirely or they've actually scripted ways to detect and answer questions, or there is a large meatbot workshop |
01:48 |
verisimilitude |
He mentioned the FG question was a great help. |
01:48 |
verisimilitude |
Write a weird question like that, to go along with it. |
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02:11 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: the seekrit seems to be straightforward: the meatbots use google & similar as 'answer machine'. you need at the minimum a puzzler that google won't answer automagically. +/-/*/div it answers (try it). which is why gotta have at least e.g. xor |
02:12 |
verisimilitude |
I'd never even considered that method. |
02:12 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: asciilifeform in fact observed several (less than half dozen) spams when used plain xor, however. hence added the fg riddle. after that went to zero and stayed there, since '18. |
02:13 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: cuz you aint an 'indian coader' spamatronicist. they default to this method. |
02:13 |
asciilifeform |
the ones who have access to fresh proxies -- even script it, w/ ~no meat involvement req'd. |
02:13 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. It reminds me of other vile things I'd never considered. |
02:13 |
verisimilitude |
``Finish eating, and then complain the waiter spit in the food to get it for free.'' |
02:14 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: exterminators gotta learn to think like rat on demand. |
02:14 |
verisimilitude |
Yes; how vile. |
02:14 |
asciilifeform |
rather. which is why you seldom can get anyone to do it gratis |
02:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071719 << asciilifeform simply cut off ipv6ism in pfsense |
02:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 20:29:25 verisimilitude: Oh say, I'd a persistent issue sending email, because Google burdens emails that pass through IPv6, and I couldn't figure out how to configure the email sender I used to prefer IPv4 universally. I solved the issue by figuring out how to disable IPv6 on the entire server. |
02:15 |
asciilifeform |
worx a+++ |
02:15 |
asciilifeform |
when it dun route, things switch back to good o' ipv4 |
02:15 |
asciilifeform |
(anyffin that hypothetically doesn't, you dun want on yer network to start with) |
02:16 |
verisimilitude |
I used this: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
02:16 |
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asciilifeform disabled ipv6 in rack, iirc, also, no complaints to date |
02:16 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if done on router -- oughta solve |
02:17 |
asciilifeform |
most folx do have >1 box on their lan. |
02:17 |
verisimilitude |
This is for a rented server, and I don't know. |
02:18 |
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asciilifeform assumed whaack was discussing item on his desk, rather than a racked box |
02:18 |
verisimilitude |
I like seeing others complain about IPv4. |
02:18 |
verisimilitude |
``What about the niggers and Indians who can't get an address?'' |
02:18 |
asciilifeform |
well they aint phree |
02:19 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
02:19 |
asciilifeform |
ipv6 -- 'phree', but rather like the free single-layer toilet paper in public shitters.. |
02:19 |
whaack |
alright, i think i've updated my q to the point where it requires human sentence parsing |
02:20 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: asciilifeform remembers at least 1 ru forum from yrs ago where double integral puzzlers |
02:21 |
asciilifeform |
imho is a bit 'overboard' |
02:21 |
verisimilitude |
Enter it into Google to check, whaack. |
02:22 |
verisimilitude |
I've seen varieties where the challenge is ``Identify the anime girls who are actually dragons.'' and other silly things. |
02:22 |
asciilifeform |
the graphical shit breaks e.g. 'lynx' and imho braindamaged for that reason alone |
02:22 |
asciilifeform |
(not to mention that meatpuppets find it trivial) |
02:22 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but it's worth mentioning. |
02:24 |
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asciilifeform considered item in the vein of (car (cdr (car '(1 2 3')))) but decided against |
02:24 |
whaack |
If x^2 + 6 = 95, then what is the result of x!, when x is the positive solution to the previous equation ? (Note that ! refers to factorial, 3! = 3*2*1, 4! = 4*3*2*1, etc, so 5! = 120.) |
02:24 |
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asciilifeform broken example but general idea is clear |
02:24 |
whaack |
^ above is the q, ver batim |
02:24 |
verisimilitude |
Am I silly, or does x^2 + 6 = 95 not have an integer solution? |
02:25 |
whaack |
i'm tired..thanks lol |
02:25 |
verisimilitude |
I'm relieved. I was concerned I was stupid. |
02:25 |
whaack |
nah, just me lol |
02:26 |
whaack |
If x^2 + 6 = 87, then what is the result of x!, when x is the positive solution to the previous equation ? (Note that ! refers to factorial, 3! = 3*2*1, 4! = 4*3*2*1, etc, so 5! = 120.) |
02:27 |
asciilifeform |
anuther, i suspect, good puzzler, is to show an integer from 0 to 2**32 and ask 'how many bits wide' |
02:27 |
asciilifeform |
just about erryone who has any biz touching comp can do this in <2s in his head |
02:27 |
asciilifeform |
but meatbots won't |
02:28 |
whaack |
my thought is that i want to keep the door open to anyone thinking, and while anyone could figure out that question, someone never introduced to any decent math/cs course will have to go searching around to figure out how to answer that q |
02:30 |
verisimilitude |
If I ever need anything similar, I may use a fill in the blank puzzle: ``I exude _.'' |
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~ 39 minutes ~ |
03:10 |
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asciilifeform quite satisfied with his current puzzler scheme and has no intention of changing it any time soon |
03:12 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071671 << imho this is a serious misconception (and misreading of the pertinent naggumism as well) |
03:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 18:05:42 gregory5: the author, like Naggum, also blames the rise of PCs in the 1990s for ruining software as a discipline. |
03:12 |
asciilifeform |
for 1 thing, 'rise of pc' took place in the '80s |
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03:13 |
asciilifeform |
which in fact was a golden age for the subject |
03:14 |
asciilifeform |
what happened in '90s was the aggressive pushing of (microshitized) pc onto a plebemarket largely 'biologically' disinterested in the subj |
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03:15 |
asciilifeform |
( and onto the 'biznis' idjit sphere, with the consequent 'lots and lots of people to perform menial tasks by mouse instead of by lever' ) |
03:16 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. what (started to) take place in '90s was the ~fall~ of the pc, rather than rise |
03:18 |
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asciilifeform goes back to search for '4k' display-over-fiber cables that actually work, to run through the 25m conduit he had built on sat. |
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03:34 |
verisimilitude |
I like how part of ``the lesson'' from the JavaScript nonsense is that individual programmers shouldn't be trusted, and a group should be required for random code to be ``trustworthy''. |
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03:48 |
vex |
sounds like the new digs is getting wired up seriously. |
03:58 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071774 << sorry I meant 1980s. |
03:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:04:49 asciilifeform: for 1 thing, 'rise of pc' took place in the '80s |
03:59 |
gregory5 |
however, the early 1990s saw the development of the GUI of Windows. |
04:01 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071776 << yep, from the enthusiasts to general professionals. |
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04:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:06:05 asciilifeform: what happened in '90s was the aggressive pushing of (microshitized) pc onto a plebemarket largely 'biologically' disinterested in the subj |
04:03 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071780 << the use of GitHub as a file-system for automatic updates struck me as a very poor idea when people first started adopting it. |
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04:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:26:46 verisimilitude: I like how part of ``the lesson'' from the JavaScript nonsense is that individual programmers shouldn't be trusted, and a group should be required for random code to be ``trustworthy''. |
04:03 |
gregory5 |
it has been seven years or so, and people still haven't learned. |
04:04 |
verisimilitude |
That's an odd use of the word ``people''. |
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04:05 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071790 << are you opposed to the impersonal use of the word "people" (which is well established) or do you regard less intelligent beings as not qualifying as "people?" |
04:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:56:30 verisimilitude: That's an odd use of the word ``people''. |
04:06 |
verisimilitude |
It's the latter. |
04:07 |
verisimilitude |
More spiritually, there are billions of ``people'', but not billions of souls. |
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04:07 |
gregory5 |
verisimilitude: you remind me of this article: http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/ |
04:09 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071794 << Curtis Yarvin in one of his early essays blamed the ancient idea of "one person, one soul" for sowing the seeds of the later Communist revolutions. |
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04:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:59:33 verisimilitude: More spiritually, there are billions of ``people'', but not billions of souls. |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
04:35 |
vex |
is intelligence the opposite of stupidity? |
04:37 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps it's. |
04:37 |
vex |
by verms def, the soulless are stupid. my def of intelligence is adaptability. |
04:40 |
vex |
i think of souls as an old religious terminilogy |
04:41 |
verisimilitude |
As do I. |
04:44 |
verisimilitude |
This is from this article: |
04:44 |
verisimilitude |
I'm perfectly fine with that idea humans hold souls, so long as it be acknowledged others lack them. |
04:49 |
vex |
thought process broke my pc |
04:50 |
vex |
I embrace stupidity. The concept of a soul is'nt in my working venacular |
04:51 |
dpb |
according to the Bible, soul is blood |
04:52 |
verisimilitude |
I've seen plenty of retards bleed. |
04:52 |
vex |
you can lose it dan? |
04:52 |
dpb |
i don't know |
04:53 |
vex |
does not your soul go on forever in your church? |
04:54 |
dpb |
Mark 8:36 |
04:54 |
dpb |
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? |
04:54 |
verisimilitude |
The world, clearly. |
04:54 |
dpb |
this world is passing away, and it is vanity |
04:55 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
04:56 |
vex |
I'm pretty sure the bible says it's not a good idea to spill somones soul all over the floor right? |
04:56 |
vex |
well, the blod anyway |
04:56 |
dpb |
where does it say that |
04:57 |
vex |
I thought there was a bit that said `thou shal not murder' or somesuch, dunno, never actualy parsed the whole thing |
05:01 |
vex |
you know verisimilitude, obviously, that calling retards soulless would be an upopular opinion amongst a wide consensus |
05:03 |
vex |
Igaf personally; I like hearing opnions |
05:09 |
vex |
I kinda felt bad when I called dpb a ftuitloop, but then I remembered he's a fully grown man |
05:10 |
vex |
cunt gives 0 fucks |
05:11 |
verisimilitude |
Humans can learn many lessons from idiots, regardless. |
05:14 |
vex |
that's why I read your blog mate ;) |
05:17 |
vex |
can you ride a horse verisimilitude? |
05:18 |
vex |
I've got an old plodder for asciilifeform |
05:20 |
verisimilitude |
That's private. |
05:21 |
vex |
fair enough. |
05:24 |
vex |
first rule of horse riding: hold the fuck on |
05:30 |
vex |
all my ponies talk texas style. sign, bromo. pet never want's a new kitchen with a throughbred |
05:30 |
verisimilitude |
These are talking ponies? |
05:31 |
vex |
yeah thhey talk |
05:32 |
verisimilitude |
So these are magical ponies. |
05:32 |
vex |
\ex racehorses mainly |
05:33 |
vex |
mile a minute is easy going |
05:34 |
vex |
if you squeeze you knees in tihgt. fast mode is epic |
05:40 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCzwyFHSMdY average modern man doesn't have a horse |
05:44 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWySmwnQOLk #goals |
05:49 |
vex |
I also feel a bit bad that I never sent a surfboard to mp. bodysurfing evidently wasn't his forte |
05:52 |
vex |
mebbe i finish my idea and send to whaack |
05:54 |
vex |
he can sit outside on a big day |
05:56 |
vex |
when it's big, getting back to land is a whole mission |
05:56 |
vex |
it's a hard lesson |
06:01 |
vex |
I dunno why you'd move to cr without commissioning a board, or texas without a horse |
06:03 |
vex |
everyones' idea of stupid is different |
06:14 |
verisimilitude |
It may be found amusing REDDIT is a Latin word. |
06:15 |
verisimilitude |
MARCVS TITO LIBRVM REDDIT |
06:15 |
verisimilitude |
Marcus returns the book to Titus. |
06:21 |
vex |
well, that's a turn up for the books |
06:22 |
vex |
I've never met a marcus i didn't like |
06:25 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkgP2O7wWBI |
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06:44 |
jonsykkel |
he returned book cuz he reddit? |
06:44 |
vex |
en francais, pardon? |
06:45 |
verisimilitude |
DARE |
06:46 |
verisimilitude |
To give |
06:46 |
verisimilitude |
REDDERE |
06:46 |
verisimilitude |
To return |
06:46 |
vex |
uoi |
06:46 |
jonsykkel |
makes sens |
06:46 |
vex |
I don't understand anything |
06:50 |
vex |
i do |
06:51 |
jonsykkel |
need to be latin xpert like me and v-tude to understand |
06:51 |
vex |
My scool was cheap |
06:51 |
verisimilitude |
As was mine. |
06:52 |
vex |
Teachers hated me. tricky questions |
06:54 |
vex |
don't bring those books to scool vex |
07:00 |
vex |
but miss... |
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~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~ |
08:07 |
verisimilitude |
This doesn't seem ergonomic: https://www.charachorder.com |
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10:08 |
vex |
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1999-island-packet-320-8089632/ `offline' asciilifeform |
10:22 |
vex |
renaming a boat id bad for a soul. offline is acceptable |
10:23 |
vex |
radio check wants persons on board. not souls not people |
10:24 |
vex |
I guess if you're stranded you sign sop |
10:25 |
vex |
morse used a diferent definition of woke |
10:28 |
vex |
I'd send ssm... save some monkeys |
10:29 |
vex |
or don't. highly intelligent, will probably solve ourselves |
10:33 |
vex |
are we dooing meercat jokes yet? or do we need to wait a whole year? |
10:38 |
vex |
we have a cartoon romanian meercat that sells insurance on tv here. haven't seen it for a bit |
10:40 |
vex |
simples |
10:40 |
vex |
cazalla knows |
10:48 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohma-JBhHcE |
11:00 |
vex |
meanwhile, hanbot goes to get fresh tyres. watches coz noowhere elks to be. |
11:04 |
vex |
life isan't as porno as she's thought |
11:07 |
vex |
fake tits and a bmw, really tou oughtta be able to get a rotation in any tyreshop. anywhere |
11:12 |
vex |
3 blokes seeing to your every need, all at once |
11:13 |
vex |
the small apprentice gets a card |
11:16 |
vex |
gently ow |
11:18 |
vex |
nevermind |
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13:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071787 << is part of a process where a faux-opensores 'komyoonity' was astroturfed into existence, consisting of folx jumping over one anuther to serve as unpaid labour for microshit et al |
13:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:55:11 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071780 << the use of GitHub as a file-system for automatic updates struck me as a very poor idea when people first started adopting it. |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071796 << revolutions (or simply in older terminology 'emperor lost the mandate of heaven') are a natural process. and incidentally asciilifeform does not share yarvin's worship of stability for the sake of stability (a la ancient egypt. no thx) |
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13:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 23:01:09 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071794 << Curtis Yarvin in one of his early essays blamed the ancient idea of "one person, one soul" for sowing the seeds of the later Communist revolutions. |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071785 << general professionals -- in '80s, when field was at its historic peak. in '90s, 'shift' to the 'tv dinner' left half of the bell curve, pushed by microshit, with the consequent aolization, 'point and grunt', etc |
13:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-09 22:53:34 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071776 << yep, from the enthusiasts to general professionals. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1071870 << loox imho dead certain to give user new and unseen types of 'rsi' disease |
13:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 02:59:18 verisimilitude: This doesn't seem ergonomic: https://www.charachorder.com |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
vex: asciilifeform dun have , and aint in the market for, horse, elephant, diesel boat, or whatever other stereotypical toys of the idle rich fucks. dunno wai not clear. not in the target group, simply |
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13:41 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
13:41 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $40882.71 |
13:41 |
asciilifeform |
$40 when! |
13:41 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
13:41 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
13:41 |
watchglass |
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13:41 |
watchglass |
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13:41 |
watchglass |
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13:41 |
watchglass |
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13:41 |
watchglass |
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13:41 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718019 (Operator: whaack) |
13:41 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.254s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.268s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.366s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.605s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 |
13:41 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.231s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 |
13:43 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
13:49 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: this appears to work, ty ! |
13:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-07 15:27:46 billymg: asciilifeform: in my theme was one line that had to be moved to put the arithmetic test above the submit button, dunno how different our themes are though |
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14:52 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: oughta work similarly on your www. simply move the '<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>' thing to ~after~ the comment textarea in comment.php. |
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16:53 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in heathendom, a bit of loathesome moxy agitprop. |
16:53 |
asciilifeform |
'People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will.' didjaknow. |
16:54 |
shinohai |
lmfao running own server was prolly one of the first things I WANTED TO DO. |
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16:55 |
asciilifeform |
and of course 'run servers' for this slimeball means 'liquishit on top of ethereum' and not e.g. pest (or even emule etc) |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
from which 'follows' e.g. 'We should accept the premise that people will not run their own servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to distribute infrastructure. This means architecture that anticipates and accepts the inevitable outcome of relatively centralized client/server relationships, but uses cryptography (rather than infrastructure) to distribute trust.' |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
etc etc |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
and the cherry, |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
'At this point, software projects require an enormous amount of human effort. Even relatively simple apps require a group of people to sit in front of a computer for eight hours a day, every day, forever. This wasn’t always the case, and there was a time when 50 people working on a software project wasn’t considered a “small team.” As long as software requires such concerted energy |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
and so much highly specialized human focus, I think it will have the tendency to serve the interests of the people sitting in that room every day rather than what we may consider our broader goals.' |
16:57 |
asciilifeform |
hey didja know, thimbronion , yer actually over9000 indian chairwarmers, cuz how else was it possible to write a working proggy!111 |
16:57 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-02-18 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1071923 << ikr! |
16:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 11:46:34 shinohai: lmfao running own server was prolly one of the first things I WANTED TO DO. |
17:02 |
shinohai |
btw asciilifeform if ya got time in a bit imma pgpgram you a new pest key and try to re-peer with ya. |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
'In order to get a quick feeling for the space and a better understanding for what the future may hold, I decided to build a couple of dApps and create an NFT' << priceless |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: how about nao |
17:03 |
shinohai |
Sure gimmie 5 mins to get in office to gpgtron |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
aite |
17:11 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: http://btc.info.gf/paste/734520@raw |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: ok, rekeyed |
17:13 |
shinohai |
tyvm asciilifeform .... confirmed. |
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17:38 |
whaack |
morning asciilifeform and shinohai |
17:39 |
whaack |
heh the funniest part of that piece that thimbronion had pointed out was that the whole NFT scheme of 'register your jpeg on the blockchain' doesn't even store a hash of the img on ethereum, just a link to a url |
17:43 |
shinohai |
Morning whaack ! |
17:44 |
* |
shinohai shinohai wonders if NFT users would feel rekt if I uploaded base64 representations of their jpegs to deedbot and resold 'em. :D |
17:49 |
* |
whaack wonders how much money actually exchanges hands in the nft world |
17:49 |
whaack |
peterl: mornin! |
17:49 |
PeterL |
oh, hey there |
17:49 |
whaack |
are you planning on joining pestnet soon? |
17:49 |
PeterL |
yes, should be in it now? |
17:55 |
whaack |
^ responded in pestnet, but yes sorry i had not managed to see you there! |
17:56 |
PeterL |
aha, I see it |
17:58 |
billymg |
anonymously create NFT, "buy it" with your ETH (send the ETH to yourself), properly report the capital gains (difference in USD value of ETH at the time of your NFT purchase vs. rate at which you acquired it), your NFT "crashes" and you sell it for near zero, properly report capital losses from that sale to offset ~100% of capital gains from the other sale, pay zero tax and keep your ETH |
17:59 |
mats |
i don't think irs considers nfts as property |
18:00 |
billymg |
so you're saying there would be no "capital loss" to claim? |
18:00 |
PeterL |
mats: why wouldn't they treat it the same as any other "cryptocurrency"? |
18:00 |
billymg |
also, if they don't treat it as property that means there's no tax then, so just adjust the scheme so that you buy the NFT for near zero, then sell it for bazillion, pay zero tax |
18:01 |
mats |
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf |
18:02 |
billymg |
mats: that's kind of useless here re: NFTs |
18:03 |
billymg |
if there's a relevant bit and you're trying to make a point just make the point |
18:05 |
dpb |
there isn't capital gains if you don't gain dollars |
18:06 |
mats |
lol |
18:06 |
mats |
it is a taxable event if you receive ethereum for an nft |
18:07 |
dpb |
is it taxable if you receive a cow for a chicken? |
18:07 |
mats |
yes |
18:07 |
mats |
whether there is enforcement is a different issue |
18:08 |
dpb |
my accountant told me it's not capital gains if you don't get dollars |
18:08 |
mats |
PeterL, billymg: i guess you could bet on irs treating nfts as virtual assets instead of collectibles, but that's hazardous |
18:08 |
mats |
there's no formal notice |
18:08 |
mats |
https://taxbit.com/blog/nft-tax-guide-what-creators-and-investors-need-to-know-about-nft-taxes |
18:09 |
PeterL |
are collectibles treated much different than assets? |
18:09 |
shinohai |
We need premier mETH apologist pete_dushenski in here stat. |
18:09 |
mats |
your accountant might be relying on the in kind property exchange tax treatment, burt that's dated |
18:09 |
mats |
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/like-kind-exchanges-now-limited-to-real-property |
18:10 |
billymg |
from the taxbit article: "In most cases, yes, NFTs (non-fungible tokens) are subject to the same tax laws as fungible cryptocurrencies. If you’re an artist who earned money from selling an NFT, you would need to report the proceeds as income on your tax return. And if you invest in NFTs, any profits earned through sales or trades will be taxed as property and subject to the capital gains tax." |
18:12 |
mats |
keep reading |
18:12 |
dpb |
what is the profit if you get something worth the same dollar amount as the thing you traded for it |
18:13 |
mats |
what do you think? |
18:13 |
billymg |
"Whenever you sell an NFT, you incur a capital gain or loss. For example, if you bought an NFT for $10,000 of ETH (this is your cost-basis) and then sold it for $15,000 of ETH, you would incur a taxable capital gain of $5,000." |
18:13 |
dpb |
i think there isn't profit |
18:13 |
mats |
that's not the same thing as the nft wash sale you described |
18:13 |
mats |
i mean, maybe it could work, billymg, but i don't think its clear yet |
18:14 |
mats |
oh, my bad, mistook it for the depreciated eth situation in the piece |
18:15 |
dpb |
i don't care about counterfeit bitcoins. the IRS can tax them 100% for all i care |
18:15 |
billymg |
obviously i was only musing anyway, i personally don't spend time attempting to "beat the house" with various schemes |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
18:19 |
mats |
its a good scheme but far too available to retail |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
see also |
18:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-25 14:44:10 asciilifeform: re 'holes' -- they work only for the enemy. (i.e the people for whom you are even being taxed to begin with) |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
when over9000 plebes go 'i'ma dodge tax via $loophole, like bezos' hole is patched pronto, for the abundandtly obv. reason. |
18:22 |
asciilifeform |
(for that matter, even if it's just you and 5 other fiddlers, if you 'win' the audit lottery will be nailed, simply cuz you aint bezos) |
18:23 |
billymg |
yeah, at this point the only winning move is cold storage that dies when you die |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
when you get a lump of usd from an official (e.g. gox) org, they generate a 'this fella owes' event in usg record. ~loss~ (i.e. rebuying same coin) generates no similar automatic subtraction. |
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18:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-25 10:42:23 asciilifeform: punkman: in usa, if you have any kind of official presence there, when you buy xyz for coin from a usg.corp, they file a 'form 1099' tax report to declare that you've 'sold' coin and received its usd equiv. as 'income' (whether or not it in fact sold in the usual sense) and you eventually get a bill for up to half (!) of the sum. |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
yer stuck with the job of convincing tax collector that you dun owe. |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
this aint necessarily impossible, in general case -- if yer bezos etc, and retain armies of lawyers, accountants, etc. can have impeccable paperwork and get that subtraction to happen and even get 0 |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
if yer a plebe, can also declare that 0, but at some pt will be audited and fined over9000. |
18:29 |
mats |
well, the good news is that congress is still a lame duck and that'll probably continue after midterms conclude |
18:30 |
mats |
so no new taxes |
18:30 |
asciilifeform |
mats: wasn't speaking of new taxes, merely old ones |
18:30 |
mats |
i know |
18:32 |
billymg |
i assume everyone here remembers the attitudes of kids back in the days of napster, limewire, emule, etc. -- despite headlines of "jimmy gets $5M fine and 10 years in jail for downloading metallica" no one gave a shit |
18:33 |
billymg |
i see same attitude in the youngsters these days re "crypto" |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: cuz was mostly hype. no one jailed, and the judgements (the handful there were) are dischargeable in bankruptcy (unlike tax debt) |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
of course plenty of folx in usa make 'over9000' and pay 0 tax, but they live in 'cash usa' generally |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
where no dossiers |
18:34 |
billymg |
but i still see the same with kids in crypto these days, they literally don't care about the over9000 tax laws |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: reason for this is that they've ~0 usd |
18:35 |
asciilifeform |
for so long as yer imaginary-rich in ethertardium etc., tax collection is -ev and aint done |
18:35 |
billymg |
perhaps, i obviously don't have any real data to go on, just sentiment in forums |
18:35 |
PeterL |
usg does not care about the lamers with nothing to their names, they care about the middle guys who they need to extract from to live |
18:35 |
asciilifeform |
other thing is that in current-day usa the path from 'gox made you a 1099' to collections takes 4-5y |
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18:36 |
asciilifeform |
so most of the shitcoinism simply hasn't been around for that long |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
(usg.irc still runs mostly on paper, evidently, and worx at ~same pace as in pre-computerization age) |
18:36 |
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whaack is happy that he has left usaschawitz and does 99% of transactions in a closed bitcoin<->cash loop |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
*usg.irs |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: closed loop worx |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
(so long as it's actually closed) |
18:37 |
mats |
the new crypto broker provision will close most of the remaining holes |
18:37 |
mats |
and there's more stuck legislation regarding defi and moneros |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
mats: as i gather billymg was speaking of folx who simply didn't bother to pay, rather than hole exploiters |
18:38 |
mats |
many of those that can bother not to pay are because of reporting reqs |
18:38 |
asciilifeform |
(in general one can 'not bother to pay' for many yrs and think 'got away') |
18:41 |
billymg |
i'm just saying guys in their early 20s think different (lots of testosterone, willing to die on the frontlines because they know the alternative is living in the pod and eating the bugs), and they don't seem to have much respect for the IRS |
18:41 |
billymg |
probably a lot of em will end up in El Salvador |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
these can 'get away with it' for potentially infinite time, simply by remaining usd.paupers |
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18:41 |
mats |
they won't get a choice |
18:42 |
mats |
so long as they do business with rats |
18:42 |
billymg |
and maybe biden drone strikes them all, idk. to me seems more likely that a new balance must be struck, like with unlimited music for $9.99/mo vs. $20 (1990's dollars) per cd |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
(tax collectors typically show up when you have sumthing for'em to collect) |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: actually very similar situation -- the current gen simply doesn't ~have~ that 20$ x # of disks |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
to their names |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
it's rather like with the 'student loan forgiveness' crapolade |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
'they don't have what for us to collect' 'ikr, let's 'forgive' them, score points' |
18:44 |
mats |
i wonder how many cryptobros will actually be able to stomach living in el salvador |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
the minute 1 of these people gets a paid job with $saltmine, will find bill for over9000 + fines |
18:44 |
mats |
doesn't sound as appealing as chile or uruguay |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
mats: are they ~actually~ living in salvador or rather living in orcistan while paying w/ usg cards etc. tho |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
cuz the latter only delude selves that they're 'living in the outside' |
18:46 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i can see that too. and when they find someone who *does have*, they do collect |
18:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-21 15:57:25 asciilifeform: shinohai: moar likely they simply wanted some btc (perhaps to refill waterfall, hence yest.'s -xx% dump) |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
(wherever yer living, if yer fiatola accts or cashflows are in reich, yer living in the reich, elementarily) |
18:46 |
mats |
i do often wonder how latam will modernise its financial plumbing |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ro, turned out, 'modernized', hence wai asciilifeform could not get bank acct there in '17 |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
and similarly BingoBoingo in uy, iirc was only able to get a reich-enabled 'lite' acct after giving us passport |
18:48 |
mats |
will they get rolled up in usg's cbdc? e-cny? or some eclectic mix of bitcoins, usd stablecoins, other shitcoins |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
mats: whichever 'modernization', from 'user interface' pov will likely remain similar to today's imho |
18:49 |
billymg |
mats: with bitcoin of course, will "leapfrog", like africa with cell phones. latam will say fuck off to FATFuck and it will become the new continent of freedom |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: the 'freedom' to pay over9000% import tax, for instance |
18:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-08 12:05:51 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: mp sent BingoBoingo to uruguay (iirc was a choice b/w it and brazil) and when BB discovered that the only practical way to get irons there is to import (and either smuggle or pay 200% tax) , mp said 'oops' and put the isp (then called 'b.isp') for sale. |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
(if you want to buy sumthing that dun grow there) |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
afaik 100% of latam shitholes ^ |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
afaik it's how they fund their elite yachts. 'hey yer a rich foreigner, pony up' |
18:50 |
mats |
billymg: tx fees are too high |
18:51 |
mats |
so its back to chivos and lightning network |
18:51 |
billymg |
mats: lightning, yeah |
18:51 |
billymg |
for the everyday stuff, bitcoin for when you're buying a house |
18:52 |
mats |
i dunno, we'll see |
18:52 |
whaack |
doesn't lightning only save 20-50% of the txn data? or is it completely off chain? |
18:52 |
mats |
the network effect of usd and rmb is much stronger |
18:52 |
billymg |
whaack: pretty sure lightning transactions are 100% off chain |
18:53 |
mats |
yeah, LN channels still need to be opened and closed |
18:53 |
billymg |
segwit is the 25% savings ones or whatever |
18:53 |
billymg |
mats: right |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
big fat diff whether they're on-chain if gox keeps dossier, neh |
18:53 |
mats |
if you do it entirely in a chivo then 100% free |
18:53 |
mats |
as i understand it |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
( and wtf is a 'chivo' ? ) |
18:53 |
whaack |
100% free with 10% of going bust? |
18:53 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: fuckchivos |
18:54 |
* |
shinohai chuckles, but chivo is ElSalvador's rebadged strike wallet .... |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
a |
18:54 |
whaack |
from what i understand chivo is some wallet they promoted here that lost a bunch of peoples i-cant-believe-its-not-bitcoin |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. their national gox ? |
18:54 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: exactly |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
a ok |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
dun see what major diff from user pov from any other gox then |
18:55 |
billymg |
but works with sending/receiving to "private addresses" |
18:55 |
billymg |
i guess just like gox |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
as in actual btc tx? or 'private' like 'protonmail' |
18:55 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: afaik no tx tax on btc in ES |
18:55 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: like actual btc |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
a |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
if 'no tax', prolly simply the bait in a future bait&switch then |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
how else. |
18:56 |
billymg |
bukele seems serious about this, i'm cautiously optimistic |
18:57 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: well from bukele's perspective this move could bring in a bunch of coins from all over the world |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
right, bring'em in, then harvest |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
(why else to bring'em in) |
18:57 |
billymg |
the bringing in is the harvesting |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
not if '0 tax 4evah' neh |
18:58 |
billymg |
why not? wouldn't be any different from gold based economy, no? |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
a state 'bringing in' dough w/out intending to steal it, makes as much sense as a pedo 'only offering candy' w/out planning to fuck |
18:58 |
billymg |
there would still be sales tax, income tax, whatever |
18:58 |
billymg |
just no made up "capital gains" tax |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
a |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
then not all that diff from e.g. europistan neh |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
(or the moar btc-friendly jurisdictions, e.g. wherever jurov lived) |
18:59 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: right, i do remember reading that there are some other countries that have 0% capital gains tax on bitcoin |
18:59 |
billymg |
dunno which countries though |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
these always have some other means to rip off, e.g. extortionate vat |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
like uy |
19:00 |
billymg |
yeah |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
'tanstaafl' |
19:00 |
mats |
is it really extortionate though |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
mats: didja fughet the uy customs thing ? |
19:00 |
mats |
i've never looked at an analysis of it vs the us style sales tax system |
19:01 |
billymg |
even in cr i see tons of "cash preferred" businesses (e.g. you get a discount which coincidentally looks a lot like the vat rate) |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
usa doesn't seem to give half a rat's arse re the tax value of the contents of suitcases at airport |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
unlike ar, uy, etc |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
(or even packages in the post) |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
anyffin short of a railcar |
19:02 |
mats |
maybe packages should cost more |
19:03 |
mats |
there'd be less consumption if people were more poor |
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19:03 |
whaack |
my understanding of el salv pres is that he is a massively ambitious person who sees bitcoin adoption as his path to more power |
19:03 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: in cr mostly don't care at the airport either, though every now and then you might "win lottery" and they'll try to appraise your items |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: dunno if you recall, in piz era, ben_vulpes 'won' this lottery |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
(in uy) |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
tax was considerably in excess of the actual value of the cargo |
19:05 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: there's a way around it too, at least in cr. have your printed out lulazon invoice ready to go, if under $500 then no tax (html inspect element) |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
(inevitably, given that it gets assessed against close to 'new price' of the goodies) |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: asciilifeform had shipped various small items directly via lulazon, tax was ~equal to the purchase prices |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
iirc BingoBoingo found a way to get (some of it) back |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
but took aeons |
19:06 |
billymg |
i mean for the suitcase carry, not shipped |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
right, but if yer springing for the plane tickets, may as well use asciilifeform's method |
19:06 |
billymg |
yes, when ordering off amazon here, the landed price is basically 2x list price (but this includes shipping also) |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
exactly what asciilifeform was talking about. |
19:06 |
mats |
nice |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's 0tax suitcase method sadly req's a courier w/ us passport tho. |
19:07 |
billymg |
but, asciilifeform, if you buy land for a coupla million, they don't have to import that |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
(how else to plausibly 'intend to bring it all back') |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: or bananas, lol |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
but yer gonna make usb cable outta banana peel or wat. |
19:08 |
billymg |
just saying, it's reich tax on 100% of purchase vs. bananastan tax on only imports |
19:08 |
billymg |
purchases* |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
all depends, do you intend to live like monkey or white man. |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
the latter will be importing ~errything |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
bananistan doesn't make cpus. |
19:09 |
billymg |
well, when building a house, the wood and concrete (and labor) is local here |
19:09 |
billymg |
a lot of the food is local |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
food , house, women, etc. sure, can local |
19:10 |
billymg |
like basics, chicken, pork, beef |
19:10 |
billymg |
yes, exactly |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
hence 'depends' |
19:10 |
whaack |
you need to find ways to get shit from the us, and it is expensive and complicated, no doubt about that, that is one of the prices you pay to live in 'bananistan' |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
iirc whaack is running field test of this, so can comment in depth |
19:12 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: can tell you my personal experience: if i need an item now, i eat the 100% markup to order on amazon. if i don't need it now, or know that i will need so many per year, i have a family member bring it in a suitcase |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
if you still have the us passport, can bring things by hand asciilifeform-style ; but as i understand this defeats half the point of living in banania |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
a |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
makes sense |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
if you have folx willing to courier for you, yer golden |
19:13 |
whaack |
billymg and i use the same sytem then |
19:13 |
whaack |
nice thing about cr is it is very easy to convince people to have a vacation here |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
makes sense |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
'go to beach, bring me cpu' |
19:14 |
whaack |
pretty much |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose worx if you have w/ whom and aint in any kinda hurry |
19:14 |
billymg |
yeah, and if cr becomes the next El Salvador then likely the service whaack and i use will start eating btc |
19:14 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-07 billymg: awt, whaack: you guys seen this yet? saw it here |
19:14 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-07 signpost[billymg]: billymg: iirc bukele said two other countries were going to accept bitcoin as legal tender in 2022 |
19:15 |
* |
asciilifeform moar in the category of 'how to get btc' problem rather than 'how to eat it efficiently' |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
tho the latter problem aint uninteresting to asciilifeform |
19:16 |
mats |
is it a problem because you dont want to buy aml kyc coin? |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
mats: well wouldn't be problem then, neh. would buy clean coin tho |
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19:20 |
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asciilifeform had a fella who was for long time endlessly hungry to trade coin for shitpaper, but he drowned |
19:22 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i misread yer ln. yes, dun want 'amlcoin' obv |
19:22 |
asciilifeform |
0 use for that. is 'buying own cross'. |
19:24 |
mats |
there are still retail venues for buying non amlcoin |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
mats: well there's 'local dark alley' lol |
19:24 |
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asciilifeform not interested |
19:25 |
mats |
there are still bitcoin atms that only ask for sms verification |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
so amlcoin |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
all the ones in asciilifeform's local also have prominent cameras |
19:25 |
mats |
you can buy a phone and card with cash |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
(tried to use 1, for laffs, found that it dun actually emit coin: it gives you ~url~ , goes to a gox, where demands address, ssn, etc !) |
19:26 |
mats |
they won't be able to do that legally for long, i think the crypto broker provision kicks in end of year |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ithink they already 'kicjked in here' lol |
19:26 |
mats |
i think the coinflip people still don't ask for ssn etc |
19:27 |
mats |
the nonaml atms are much fewer in number than the aml ones, so it takes some looking |
19:27 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: seeing as how this is a public log and you use your real name on your blog, what's the difference between "we suspect you have coin because gox told us" and "we suspect you have coin because you were talking about it"? don't both roads lead to the same soldering iron? |
19:28 |
mats |
but they definitely exist |
19:28 |
billymg |
in both cases can say "no, lost the keys" |
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19:28 |
billymg |
or "no, got hacked and stolen" |
19:29 |
mats |
asserting ownership at all is not recommended |
19:29 |
billymg |
mats: you mean "lost/stolen" implies "had" to begin with? |
19:30 |
mats |
yes, and what if it moves ten years later |
19:30 |
billymg |
that's why "stolen" superior to "lost" |
19:30 |
mats |
better not to answer any questions |
19:31 |
billymg |
i see your point |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1072184 << great q. the correct response is individual matter (but generally some variant of this formula ) |
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19:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 14:20:34 billymg: in both cases can say "no, lost the keys" |
19:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-16 22:10:16 asciilifeform: as for the coin, the correct algo to 'hodl' is exactly same today as was in '09. i.e. your hdd has what's indistinguishable from rng output. and as for the key, maybe you once had it, but now lost in boating accident. and forgot where boated. (and if you can't stick to the story, will have to carry cyanide.) |
19:33 |
asciilifeform |
proving present-tense control of a coin is impossible. but if yer in a situation where this doesn't actually help you (in torture room) it doesn't even matter whether you own any coin, will still get ling-chi'd |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
( how wouldja prove that you've coughed up yer last coin? there's a reason dpr aint getting out ) |
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19:36 |
asciilifeform |
the other pertinent detail is the sheer sloth of the bureaucracy -- for instance asciilifeform still gets calls offering 'ts clearance' usg.jobs |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
'try reading my www?' |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
'we dun do that' |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
prolly you could write for yrs in detail re how you stole the kohinoor diamond and killed kennedy, and the machine only wakes up once someone issues you a '1099' |
19:38 |
asciilifeform |
( why this is so, continues to astonish asciilifeform . but remains. ) |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
mp's hypothesis, that they want not a corpse, but a suitable actor ready to act 'correctly' and enthusiastically in show trial play , prolly had some merit. |
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19:39 |
asciilifeform |
but impossible to say for certain. |
19:40 |
asciilifeform |
the shape of the intake end of the funnel certainly supports it. |
19:40 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-05-25 asciilifeform: has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
actually earning a usg carbomb ('addressed to name, not 'to occupant'') seems to take moar ingenuity atm than asciilifeform has to muster. |
19:50 |
whaack |
afaik ross is selling nft's |
19:51 |
whaack |
i actually tried to watch the trial in nyc, but i showed up on the wrong day |
19:57 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: what makes you think it's him ? accepts payment in prison scrip ? |
19:57 |
asciilifeform |
( dunno if even makes a diff, reich has a 'profits of crimes' reich.law where crown keeps 100% iirc ) |
19:59 |
whaack |
nah, very possible it's fake ross |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
i dun recall a pubkey for him even before taken captive |
20:01 |
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asciilifeform would not regard messages purporting to originate from a reich captive as authentic for any serious purpose; w/ exception of an unlikely escape & getting to his keyz |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
usg captive oughta be viewed as dead. like one at gestapo. |
20:06 |
mats |
lol, recalls when OJ had to give up rights to his 'i did it' book |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
iirc is a straightforward statute, no special decrees req'd |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
'may not profit from his crime' etc |
20:08 |
mats |
apparently OJ was paroled last month |
20:09 |
mats |
oh, actually, early release from parole |
20:09 |
mats |
maybe i'll see him in vegas |
20:10 |
mats |
lots of people have cellphones in us prisons, asciilifeform |
20:10 |
mats |
although i don't know what the fed system is like |
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20:47 |
asciilifeform |
mats: generally in even deepest prison in the world one can find a way to sneak a message out. |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
what one can't do is to sneak an ~authenticable~ message out (with possible exception of small-bitcount 'head otp' in the old style of 'code sentence') |
20:49 |
asciilifeform |
r. hess for instance sat incommunicado '45--'87, but near his 'suicide' did, supposedly, get a coupla letters out via a priest. |
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20:49 |
asciilifeform |
(this was discovered and he was 'hanged himself' before could send out anyffin 'interesting') |
20:50 |
asciilifeform |
d00d, if anyone is unfamiliar, was the 1 and only occupant (w/ exception of his coupla dozen guards) of spandau, berlin, for last iirc 20+y of his sentence |
20:51 |
asciilifeform |
mats: an impromptu (i.e. w/out codewords) msg via pnoje aint 'authenticable', can rather likely be simply under dictation of jailer |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
(not even in the elementary case of 'i know his voice' authenticable, asciilifeform can barely tell over modern 2kb/s pnojes who is talking) |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
tldr -- if you anticipate having something to say to folx from reich dungeon, agree on magick words in advance. |
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20:53 |
asciilifeform |
(and they gotta sound innocuous) |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
the # of people who oughta know what they are -- is exactly 2. you and the addressee. |
20:57 |
mats |
i want 1 gyro with extra lamb fat and white sauce |
20:57 |
asciilifeform |
'they gave me spaghetti. i asked for spaghetti-os's! i want the press to know this.' -- fella in electric chair, famously |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
or, i suppose, can 'be creative', capt. kidd threw some scribble at the crowd from gallows, still today reprinted as 'treasure map' |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
(incidentally iirc his treasure is 'in' cr !!) |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
cocos island. |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
scribble iirc had map and a blob of purported ciphertext. |
21:01 |
PeterL |
this is kinda like pest, you have to have separate key for each potential adressee |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: well, symmetric. a la lamport or whatever otp. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
nobody's yet devised a pubkey algo you can use in head. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
heads dun come in the size req'd for any extant one. |
21:07 |
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asciilifeform recalls scene in n.stephenson's 'cryptonomicon' where some fella was captured and found 'conveniently' in his cell a lappy with pgp and his ciphered privkey. naturally bugged. |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
1337 w4r3z if anyone gives a damn |
21:23 |
mats |
i read that inmates use green dot card numbers as currency |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
how'd that work ? |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
(and hm wat's a green dot card to start with?) |
21:24 |
mats |
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-green-dot-extortion-prison-20130511-1-story.html |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
a |
21:25 |
asciilifeform |
'The company collects identifying information about account holders, which according to court documents helped the FBI locate a suspect's home in the BGF case.' << lol! megacurrency |
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21:58 |
whaack |
pete_rizzo_: howdy |
21:58 |
pete_rizzo_ |
yo yo |
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22:39 |
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asciilifeform was gonna 'wb pete_rizzo' but toolate, evaporated |
22:43 |
whaack |
yup, maybe logs should have join/part included, since the frequency has gone done substantially |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: irc obsolete rly |
22:45 |
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asciilifeform not contemplating any major changes to logotron w/ exception of what's req'd for pestization |
22:46 |
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asciilifeform does not discourage folx from loggin join/parts if they feel like it, but they aint meaningful in pestism |
22:51 |
whaack |
fair enough |
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23:20 |
bonechewer |
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, folks. |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
why ty bonechewer |
23:21 |
bonechewer |
Here is another attempt at some glad tidings, though YMMV. Regarding [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-24#1069608 |
23:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-24 19:05:18 asciilifeform: speakin' of collapse & shortages of erryday items, turns out that furniture made of actual wood has '6+ mo' (i.e. unbounded, a la btc miners) queues. and that's with prepay |
23:23 |
bonechewer |
Ten or so years ago, it was possible to haggle with the manager at one of this outfit's retail locations, strike a bargain on floor samples, and come back a day later with a truck and roll of cash |
23:23 |
bonechewer |
NFI about the situation today, but certainly worth a visit if asciilifeform is ever as far north as the NYC environs |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: it's a day's drive there from asciilifeform's shithole. |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: fortunately already bought the req'd item w/ cash in a back alley deal tho. but ty |
23:25 |
bonechewer |
Yep, but the price differential was worth a few hours' drive for me |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
from Official vendors situation was utterly sol. the fella who sold asciilifeform his, wanted to upgrade, paid in august, still waiting. |
23:26 |
bonechewer |
ah, didn't realize you only need one item. I had a whole shopping list, which made the drive worthwhile |
23:26 |
bonechewer |
*needed one item |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
needed several, bought'em all for cash from humans |
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23:26 |
bonechewer |
gotcha |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
skipped the idjit 'custom laquers' tax (not to mention extortionate sales tax etc) |
23:27 |
bonechewer |
trading with humans in cash is really very nice, I'll miss it if/when the lizards stamp it out |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
will stamp it out when the mind control towers properly debugged & online |
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23:27 |
asciilifeform |
not sooner |
23:30 |
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asciilifeform recs to anyone who hasn't one, to buy rusty truck while still can, the largest you can find, a++ instrument for this kinda thing |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
easily pays for itself after 3-4 avoidances of the 'newness tax' via 'be at xyz warehouse at 0700 hrs w/ $' |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
(rentals are a joak where asciilifeform lives, easily 'reserve week+ in advance' xor 'we haven't any trucks, sorry') |
23:33 |
bonechewer |
Folks are getting wise to the net present value of reichsbux vs. functional capital items. I bought a 2009 SUV two years ago for $8k, now see folx online asking ~$12k for same model with comparable mileage |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
easily |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. took asciilifeform coupla wks to find a < 10k$ tub that'd still move under own power |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
(and numerous visits to junkyards masquerading as auto lots) |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
'musical chairs'. find yerself a chair. |
23:35 |
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bonechewer farms those visits out to lemonsquad.com at $179 a pop; expensive but makes long-distance purchases thinkable |
23:39 |
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asciilifeform very reluctantly pays people to do a work he can do w/ own hands |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps too reluctantly |
23:42 |
bonechewer |
Sure, for local purchases using them doesn't make sense. For distant purchases, though, it lets me make up my mind on the vehicle without potentially wasting a day traveling to go see it. |
23:45 |
bonechewer |
But in any case, now that you have the truck, happy hunting and happy terraforming, asciiliform! |
23:45 |
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bonechewer must bbl |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
ty bonechewer |